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Subject: Re: [savi] SAVI FCFS & Logging
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Hi,

To move forward the document ASAP, any additional comments about this
topic must be sent before next Tuesday.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards.

JMC.

2011/3/31 Eric Levy-Abegnoli <elevyabe@cisco.com>:
> Le 31/03/2011 02:18, Jean-Michel Combes a =E9crit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am in favor of the addition of such a text: logging could clearly help=
.
>> Now, I would like to have feedback from the WG and especially from
>> people implementing SAVI to know if logging could be easily
>> implementing (i.e. with no expensive extra-cost): that would determine
>> whether make that normative or not.
>
> I support the addition. That has been #1 requirement from many organizati=
ons
> I dealt with deploying SAVI or IPSG solutions.
> Not particular issue implementation-wise.
> Eric
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> JMC.
>>
>> 2011/3/5 Joel M. Halpern<jmh@joelhalpern.com>:
>>>
>>> I asked the SAVI FCFS the question below. =A0In response they quite
>>> reasonably
>>> asked that I provide text. =A0Following the note excerpt is the suggest=
ion
>>> on
>>> placement and text. =A0THe text could include a reference to the savi
>>> threats
>>> document. =A0I was not sure if that would be helpful, so I left it out.
>>> =A0Also,
>>> as logging is basically an internal activity, I have written this
>>> suggestion
>>> as non-normative text.
>>>
>>>> El 05/03/11 6:45, Joel M. Halpern escribi=F3:
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the traceability issues we raise in the threats document,
>>>>> and looking at the uses I see people wanting to make of SAVI for
>>>>> SLAAC, should we put some descriptive (not normative) text into SAVI
>>>>> FCFS that talks about loggin?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to check with you folks directly before raising this on the
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Joel
>>>
>>> I would suggest adding a section between 2.4 and 2.5 (i.e., it would be
>>> 2.5,
>>> and the current 2.5 SAVI enforcement perimeter would become 2.6.)
>>> ---------
>>> 2.x SAVI Logging
>>>
>>> While the primary goal of SAVI is simply to prevent improper use of IP
>>> addresses, a secondary goal is to assist in traceability for determinin=
g
>>> who
>>> an imp-roper actor is. =A0For example, if a remote site reports that a =
DoS
>>> (or
>>> component of a DDoS) is coming from the SAVI site, SAVI enforcement can
>>> be a
>>> useful component in a response.
>>>
>>> In order to support these and other similar activities, it is a good id=
ea
>>> if
>>> SAVI devices perform logging of the creation, modification, or removal =
of
>>> address bindings. =A0Any protocol support, such as SYSLOG support for
>>> sending
>>> those logs to a common server, would be a topic for a future separate
>>> document.
>>> -----
>>> If instead we want to make that normative, we could put a SHOULD in and
>>> put
>>> this in section 3.2.6 instead.
>>>
>>> In addition, it would seem useful to add a short paragraph in the
>>> security
>>> considerations section. =A0(If Denial of service attacks and Residual
>>> threats
>>> were 4.1 and 4.2, then I would would att this as 4.3 Security Logging)
>>> -------------
>>> In order to improve the integration of SAVI into an overall security
>>> environment, and enable response to additional indirect security issues
>>> which SAVI can help ameliorate, it is helpful if SAVI systems log the
>>> creation, modification, and deletion of binding entries.
>>> ---------
>>> I realize this basically duplicates the 2.x text. =A0I think it deserve=
s
>>> mention in the security considerations, because it is a security
>>> consideration. =A0But I don't think that should be the first occurrence=
.
>>> If the duplication is bothersome, then just use the 2.x text.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Joel
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Folks,

during the last SAVI meeting in Prague, there was a consensus to adopt
"SAVI for Mixed Address Assignment Methods Scenario" document
(draft-bi-savi-mix-04) as WG document.

If you have any concern about this adoption, please send an email on
the ML before next Tuesday.

Best regards.

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	Title           : FCFS-SAVI: First-Come First-Serve Source-Address Validation for Locally Assigned IPv6 Addresses
	Author(s)       : E. Nordmark, et al.
	Filename        : draft-ietf-savi-fcfs-06.txt
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Hi,

This is a new version of the draft that i believe accommodates all the 
comments received.
In particular, its terminology is aligned to the one in the framework 
document, it includes the text proposed by Joel on logging and it 
reflects the IPv6 scope in the title.

I understand that this is ready to ship to the iesg.

Regards, marcelo



El 11/04/11 14:00, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org escribió:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Source Address Validation Improvements Working Group of the IETF.
>
>
> 	Title           : FCFS-SAVI: First-Come First-Serve Source-Address Validation for Locally Assigned IPv6 Addresses
> 	Author(s)       : E. Nordmark, et al.
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-savi-fcfs-06.txt
> 	Pages           : 29
> 	Date            : 2011-04-11
>
> This memo describes FCFS SAVI a mechanism to provide source address
> validation for IPv6 networks using the First-Come First-Serve
> principle.  The proposed mechanism is intended to complement ingress
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> the source addresses used.
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	Title           : SAVI Threat Scope
	Author(s)       : D. McPherson, et al.
	Filename        : draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope-05.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2011-04-11

Source Address Validation Improvement (SAVI) effort aims to
complement ingress filtering with finer-grained, standardized IP
source address validation.  This document describes threats enabled
by IP source address spoofing both in the global and finer-grained
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Dear Secretary,

This is a request to publish draft-ietf-savi-threat-scope-05 as a
Informational RFC. Please find below the I-D write-up.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards.

JMC.

(1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document
Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in
particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for
forwarding to the IESG for publication?

Jean-Michel Combes (jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com) is the Document
Shepherd, savi WG co-chair. He has done a review on the document and
believes it is ready to be forwarded to IESG for publication.

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and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any
concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been
performed?

The document has had adequate reviews by key WG members.The document
shepherd does not have any concerns regarding the depth or breadth of
the reviews received.

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more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security,
operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA,
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No.

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Technical Summary
Source Address Validation Improvement (SAVI) effort aims to complement
ingress filtering with finer-grained, standardized IP source address
validation. This document describes threats enabled by IP source
address spoofing both in the global and finer-grained context,
describes currently available solutions and challenges, and provides a
starting point analysis for finer-grained (host granularity)
anti-spoofing work.

Working Group Summary
The normal WG process was followed. The document as it is now,
reflects WG consensus.

Document Quality
The document was thoroughly reviewed by Pekka Savola, Marcelo Bagnulo,
Eric Vyncke, Jari Arkko and Jean-Michel Combes.

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This draft is a work item of the Source Address Validation Improvements Working Group of the IETF.


	Title           : FCFS-SAVI: First-Come First-Serve Source-Address Validation for Locally Assigned IPv6 Addresses
	Author(s)       : E. Nordmark, et al.
	Filename        : draft-ietf-savi-fcfs-07.txt
	Pages           : 29
	Date            : 2011-04-13

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	Filename        : draft-ietf-savi-send-05.txt
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Hi,

This is a new version of the SEND SAVI draft which aligns terminology to the
framework document, also with some text clean-up
I understand that it is ready to be shipped to the IESG.

Regards,
Alberto

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
directories.
This draft is a work item of the Source Address Validation Improvements
Working Group of the IETF.


	Title           : SEND-based Source-Address Validation
Implementation
	Author(s)       : M. Bagnulo, A. Garcia-Martinez
	Filename        : draft-ietf-savi-send-05.txt
	Pages           : 29
	Date            : 2011-04-15

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Dear WG members,

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-savi-dhcp/

This is a new version savi-dhcp-08 revised and is compliant=20
with the savi framework document.

The 09 version is planed to be submitted based on the review feedback =
form WG chairs.

Thanks!
Jun Bi


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Dear Secretary,

This is a request to publish draft-ietf-savi-fcfs-09 as a Standard
track RFC. Please find below the I-D write-up.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards.

JMC.

(1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document
Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in
particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for
forwarding to the IESG for publication?

Jean-Michel Combes (jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com) is the Document
Shepherd, savi WG co-chair. He has done a review on the document and
believes it is ready to be forwarded to IESG for publication.

(1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members
and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any
concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been
performed?

The document has had adequate reviews by key WG members.The document
shepherd does not have any concerns regarding the depth or breadth of
the reviews received.

(1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs
more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security,
operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA,
internationalization or XML?

As this document specifies a new security mechanism that could impact
legitimate traffic, a review from the Security Directorate should be
done.
As this document specifies a Neighbor Discovery Protocol (NDP) based
mechanism, a review from v6ops WG and/or 6man WG members may be done.

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No.

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There is savi WG consensus behind the document.

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No.

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References are split into normative and informative sections.
There are no normative references that are downward references.

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Technical Summary
This memo describes FCFS SAVI a mechanism to provide source address
validation for IPv6 networks using the First-Come First-Serve
principle. The proposed mechanism is intended to complement ingress
filtering techniques to provide a finer granularity on the control of
the source addresses used.

Working Group Summary
The normal WG process was followed. The document as it is now,
reflects WG consensus.

Document Quality
The document was thoroughly reviewed by the document contributors,
Joel Halpern and Jean-Michel Combes.

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Folks,

You may find now the minutes of the last SAVI meeting here:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/minutes/savi.txt

If you have comments/questions/modifications, don't hesitate to send them.

Thanks again Jun for the minutes!

Best regards.

JMC.
