From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Oct 4 01:38:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DCD21F8C67; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 01:38:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XBZxlOvizyDe; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 01:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF00C21F8C65; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 01:38:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.60 Message-ID: <20111004083843.20353.50977.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 01:38:43 -0700 Cc: savi@ietf.org Subject: [savi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-savi-send-06.txt X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:38:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Source Address Validation Improvement= s Working Group of the IETF. Title : SEND-based Source-Address Validation Implementation Author(s) : Marcelo Bagnulo Alberto Garcia-Martinez Filename : draft-ietf-savi-send-06.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2011-10-04 This memo describes SEND SAVI, a mechanism to provide source address validation using the SEND protocol. The proposed mechanism is intended to complement ingress filtering techniques to provide a finer granularity on the control of the source addresses used. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-savi-send-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-savi-send-06.txt From marcelo@it.uc3m.es Thu Oct 13 08:13:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768AC21F8AF9 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:13:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.255 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.255 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id de4KcCo11fUi for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es (smtp03.uc3m.es [163.117.176.133]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A561021F8880 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:13:38 -0700 (PDT) X-uc3m-safe: yes Received: from marcelo-bagnulos-macbook-pro-2.local (wlap005.it.uc3m.es [163.117.139.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp03.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F5C9C50EE; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:13:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E970019.4000806@it.uc3m.es> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:13:29 +0200 From: marcelo bagnulo braun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko References: <4DC19DD5.4040209@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <4DC19DD5.4040209@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3116-6.8.0.1017-18446.007 Cc: draft-ietf-savi-fcfs@tools.ietf.org, SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] AD review of draft-ietf-savi-fcfs X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:13:49 -0000 Hi Jari, Please find the replies below marked with MB> El 04/05/11 20:41, Jari Arkko escribió: > I have reviewed this draft. The specification is well written, and > while it took an entire day for me to be (relatively) convinced that > the state machine is correct, it is easy to read. > > I have sent the draft forward to an IETF last call. However, I did > have a few suggestions and questions that I hope you can treat and if > needed, issue a new draft version. > >> Neighbour Solicitation (NSOL) >> and Neighbour Advertisement (NADV) messages > > Can we use the usual abbreviations, NS and NA? > MB> Done >> Router Advertisement: A SAVI device MUST support discovery of on-link >> prefixes through Router Advertisement messages. The SAVI device will >> learn the on-link prefixes following the procedure defined for a host >> to process the Prefix Information options described in section 6.3.4 >> of [RFC4861] with >> the difference that the prefixes will be configured >> in the FCFS SAVI Prefix List rather than in the ND Prefix List. In >> addition, when the SAVI device boots, it MUST send a Router >> Solicitation message as described in section 6.3.7 of [RFC4861] >> , >> using the unspecified source address. > > Will this process be run on all ports, or just the trusted ones? > Please specify. > MB> Only the trsuted ones. I have added a sentence clarifying that. >> o If the data packet is received through a Validating port, then the >> SAVI function checks whether the received data packet is local >> traffic or transit traffic. It does so by verifying if the source >> address of the packet belongs to one of the directly connected >> prefixes available in the receiving interface. It does so by >> searching the FCFS SAVI Prefix List. >> * If the IP source address does not belong to one of the local >> prefixes of the receiving interface, this means that the data >> packet is transit traffic and the packet SHOULD be discarded. > > You need to add a special case for supporting the unspecified address. > MB> Right, i have added the following text: If the source address of the packet is the unspecified address, the packet is forwarded and no SAVI processing is performed except for the case of the Neighbor Solicitation messages involved in the Duplicate Address Detection which are treated as described in . >> This may due to an attack or to the fact that the host >> may have moved. > > ... may be due to an ... MB> done > > >> and 250 millisconds later > > Milliseconds. And please put the value to a constant in a separate > section. > MB> Done >> The DAD_NSOL messages are sent >> through the proper Trusted Ports (as defined by the switch >> behaviour that will depend on whether it performs MLD snooping or >> not). > > The word "proper" is confusing here. How about this text instead: > > The DAD_NSOL messages are sent through Trusted Ports (but of course > subject to usual switch behavior and possible MLD snooping > optimizations). > MB> Done (in all the instances fo that expression) >> the SAVI device MUST forward the NSOL and 250 >> millisconds later it MUST execute the process of sending Neighbour >> Solicitation messages > > This could be clearer. First, you forward the NSOL completely > normally. Then you separately run the NS process *on behalf of the > host*, but forward these NSOL messages only to TP ports. Correct? > > A couple of questions, however. What's the source MAC address in such > packets, the host's or the switch's address? And why aren't you simply > copying the same message, separated by X ms? Finally, are you > forwarding one message and generating two copies, altogether three > messages? > > Additional clarity here would be useful. > MB> The savi basically sends the DAD MS message twice, the original one and a copy after 250ms. I have rewritten this to be clearer as follows: Upon the reception through a Validating Port (VP) of a Neighbour Solicitation (NS) generated by the Duplicate Address Detection (DAD) procedure (hereafter named DAD_NS) containing Target Address IPAddr, the SAVI device MUST forward the NS and T_WAIT millisconds later it MUST send a copy of the same message. These DAD_NS messages are not sent through any of the ports configured as Validating Ports. The DAD_NS messages are sent through the Trusted Ports (but of course subject to usual switch behavior and possible MLD snooping optimizations). Is this clearer now? >> o DAD_NSOL packets containing IPAddr as the target address received >> through a Trusted port are NOT forwarded through any of the >> Validating ports but they are sent through the proper Trusted >> Ports (as defined by the switch behaviour that will depend on >> whether it performs MLD snooping or not) > > I don't understand why these messages are only forwardded to the TPs. > MB>BEcause doing so would enable a hostile host to claim ownership on an address that someone else is actually already using. I mean, the DAD_NS can be generated by the SAVI device upon the recpetion of a data packet for whcih there is no binding. If we allow any host connected to any port to reply, then any host could steal the address. Of course, if there is a binding, the state for this address would not be NO-BIND and in the VALID state these packets are forwarded to the port where the rightful owner of the address is attached to so it can defend its address. MAkes sense? >> o Neighbor Advertisement packets sent to all nodes as a reply to the >> DAD_NSOL (hereafter called DAD_NADV) containing IPAddr as the >> target address coming through a Validating port are discarded. > > This seems to break the principle of SAVI not changing network > behavior except where a delay is necessary while you verify something. > Why is it necessary to not forward these messages as they normally are > forwarded through the network? > MB> this happens in No_BIND state. This means that the sender is not the owner of the address, because there is no binding for that address. So sending a NA for that address from an authorized host replying to a DAD_NS is a host that didn't own the address originally, trying to prevent someone else to configure it. Moreover, since this NS may have been geenrated by the SAVI device as a result of receiving a data packet for which there is no binding, it may well be the case tat host is already using the address in question. So blocking this address is needed to prevent the attacker to claim ownership of an anddres that is currently being used by some other host. (This is related to the case above) Makes sense? >> So, when SEND is deployed, it is recommended to use SEND SAVI >> [I-D.ietf-savi-send >> ] >> rather than FCFS SAVI." > > Is there some reason why proxy SEND cannot be employed here? > MB> I will let Alberto to reply this one. Regards, marcelo > Jari > > From jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com Thu Oct 13 08:42:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDBB21F88B7 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:42:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XLBSW-3BTBKk for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E7E21F87FA for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywm3 with SMTP id 3so1525376ywm.31 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:42:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DqYEIkoYDql4M9C+SGZOWfDPfjbZqhqOgTzvDVSj1Bs=; b=cZr/KR9QGD7TiPRUy0CL6r958SQQFLzlO40Rb3wvdri1PN7NCmHUb3m7H9Wg1V9zHM liQlWRsQoz+dX9KLF3sHgckSC6ttEWpY7A+OA5esXKjpVwakPQzzKHP5U/Q3zNPPGpK4 rWpk8zpGozeJwzyzakHZNPurTqZJ4blzyhnCc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.128.161 with SMTP id f21mr5681269yhi.67.1318520521134; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.41.12 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:42:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E970019.4000806@it.uc3m.es> References: <4DC19DD5.4040209@piuha.net> <4E970019.4000806@it.uc3m.es> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:42:01 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jean-Michel Combes To: marcelo bagnulo braun Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: draft-ietf-savi-fcfs@tools.ietf.org, SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] AD review of draft-ietf-savi-fcfs X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:42:02 -0000 Hi, 2011/10/13 marcelo bagnulo braun : > Hi Jari, > > Please find the replies below marked with MB> > > > El 04/05/11 20:41, Jari Arkko escribi=F3: >> [snip] > >>> So, when SEND is deployed, it is recommended to use SEND SAVI >>> [I-D.ietf-savi-send >>> ] >>> rather than FCFS SAVI." >> >> Is there some reason why proxy SEND cannot be employed here? >> > > MB> I will let Alberto to reply this one. This text comes from my review as shepherd of this document. As proxy SEND doesn't permit to check the validity of SENDized ND exchanges, IMHO, proxy SEND cannot be used easily. Best regards. JMC. > > Regards, marcelo > > >> Jari >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > savi mailing list > savi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi > From jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com Thu Oct 13 08:57:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CFE21F8B62 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Otx2ai75rEIj for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF11621F8B5C for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyh20 with SMTP id 20so177840gyh.31 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OfuEB+otX6PdLT8majmiFzbVDBkYxwXprO6ZyWTCJvo=; b=eVXqgK9rYbatzWBmdyhQz0ZR/B30unVr6KljDhtvdnouR09ezFuECrpb4np+U3hjAr Lbaj1DqJ3d3C2pdLC5RI1r1ab3q/1fLqBWntyAWqsvSMA2iAeYJMRKJ4vKmG6lKDY6/X 9ze4cxv9TeFhMcNpkm97Dv5ErzelAawXuamYI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.128.161 with SMTP id f21mr5793015yhi.67.1318521446259; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.41.12 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4DC19DD5.4040209@piuha.net> <4E970019.4000806@it.uc3m.es> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:57:26 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jean-Michel Combes To: marcelo bagnulo braun Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: draft-ietf-savi-fcfs@tools.ietf.org, SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] AD review of draft-ietf-savi-fcfs X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:57:27 -0000 Sorry, in fact, proxy SEND checks validity of SENDized ND exchanges (draft-ietf-csi-proxy-send-05, section 5.2.1, 1.B). So, proxy SEND could be used but: - proxy SEND requires hosts, in the network, are compliant with proxy SEND - proxy SEND is not "transparent" and so SAVI device will lose its "invisibility" feature - proxy SEND requires many actions (certificate management, IP packet modification, etc) and I am not sure that SAVI device will be able to do this as in common use cases the SAVI device is a L2 device. - proxy SEND would need an API with FCFS SAVI Best regards. JMC. 2011/10/13 Jean-Michel Combes : > Hi, > > 2011/10/13 marcelo bagnulo braun : >> Hi Jari, >> >> Please find the replies below marked with MB> >> >> >> El 04/05/11 20:41, Jari Arkko escribi=F3: >>> > > [snip] > >> >>>> So, when SEND is deployed, it is recommended to use SEND SAVI >>>> [I-D.ietf-savi-send >>>> ] >>>> rather than FCFS SAVI." >>> >>> Is there some reason why proxy SEND cannot be employed here? >>> >> >> MB> I will let Alberto to reply this one. > > This text comes from my review as shepherd of this document. > > As proxy SEND doesn't permit to check the validity of SENDized ND > exchanges, IMHO, proxy SEND cannot be used easily. > > Best regards. > > JMC. > >> >> Regards, marcelo >> >> >>> Jari >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> savi mailing list >> savi@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi >> > From jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com Thu Oct 13 12:20:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B482E21F8591 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hbsqXeg6SFa7 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3728721F87E2 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so400397ggn.31 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:20:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3hX64BQVdPJSpyFpEZdNUif2fjNS7Fs+tdyHazjc7CM=; b=VzY69nEidSz1XK+fqlWbsz1G0BIha1iruPn+1DpDNw6hXO37xr+DsiSC6sYL+uHtPj 0CbmS+YK16P8AaQfHCPqGeGDroMgM/v16ZQ/VyznevR6Vkvd7K74SIIouM42qyXPwfUm gi0rogZbN2V/SVVSacRo58JSfcbh8kv7nbeAA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.191.103 with SMTP id f67mr7195332yhn.16.1318533614754; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.41.12 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:20:14 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jean-Michel Combes To: SAVI Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:20:15 -0000 Folks, there will be a SAVI session (1 hour slot) during the next IETF meeting in Taipei. This session will focus on items for a potential rechartering. Best regards. JMC. From alberto@it.uc3m.es Fri Oct 14 08:26:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0715821F8AB0 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:26:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NKOc1K5ASXAc for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp01.uc3m.es (smtp01.uc3m.es [163.117.176.131]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B004B21F850E for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:26:10 -0700 (PDT) X-uc3m-safe: yes Received: from BOMBO (unknown [163.117.139.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp01.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2D7BDE826; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:26:09 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Garc=EDa?= To: "'Jean-Michel Combes'" , "'marcelo bagnulo braun'" References: <4DC19DD5.4040209@piuha.net> <4E970019.4000806@it.uc3m.es> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:26:13 +0200 Message-ID: <003201cc8a85$9b8fae70$d2af0b50$@it.uc3m.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKMzFUNohsg9HH2F3agzHLZg/XH+QHN8pSdAcSnv+wAXbdLC5Pb6G+w Content-Language: es X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3116-6.8.0.1017-18450.000 Cc: draft-ietf-savi-fcfs@tools.ietf.org, 'SAVI Mailing List' Subject: Re: [savi] AD review of draft-ietf-savi-fcfs X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:26:16 -0000 Hi | -----Mensaje original----- | De: savi-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:savi-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de | Jean-Michel Combes | Enviado el: jueves, 13 de octubre de 2011 17:57 | Para: marcelo bagnulo braun | CC: draft-ietf-savi-fcfs@tools.ietf.org; SAVI Mailing List | Asunto: Re: [savi] AD review of draft-ietf-savi-fcfs | =20 | Sorry, in fact, proxy SEND checks validity of SENDized ND exchanges (draft- | ietf-csi-proxy-send-05, section 5.2.1, 1.B). So, proxy SEND could be = used but: | - proxy SEND requires hosts, in the network, are compliant with proxy SEND Yes. We should assume the following scenario (scenario #1): a link in = which all receivers are capable of processing proxy SEND messages (aka 'SPND nodes'), and nodes either generate SEND or Proxy SEND messages. | - proxy SEND is not "transparent" and so SAVI device will lose its | "invisibility" feature I don't understand this.=20 Maybe you are thinking about a different deployment scenario to the one = I commented above, an alternative way of 'mixing' SAVI and proxy SEND, in which SAVI devices would act as Proxy SEND devices for non-SEND nodes (scenario #2).=20 I think this is a bad idea, because it provides without reason the same confidence to SEND and non-SEND devices, and I'm sure that this is not = what we want to do. In the examples shown in the Proxy SEND draft, there is a strong security link between the Proxy SEND device and the proxied = nodes. | - proxy SEND requires many actions (certificate management, IP packet | modification, etc) and I am not sure that SAVI device will be able to = do this | as in common use cases the SAVI device is a L2 device. In scenario #1, SAVI devices only validate Proxy SEND messages. They = only need to have the same capabilities of SPND nodes. So this features you comment are not needed. I think adding proxy SEND validation to SEND SAVI would be quite simple, = and without much trouble. Makes sense? If the answer is 'yes', then=20 - I could add some comment on Proxy SEND in the SEND SAVI document - A line in the fcfs-savi document such as the current 'So, when SEND is deployed, it is recommended to use SEND SAVI' (or could be also this alternative text 'So, when SEND or Proxy SEND is deployed, it is = recommended to use SEND SAVI') sounds ok to me. Regards, Alberto | - proxy SEND would need an API with FCFS SAVI | =20 | Best regards. | =20 | JMC. | =20 | 2011/10/13 Jean-Michel Combes : | > Hi, | > | > 2011/10/13 marcelo bagnulo braun : | >> Hi Jari, | >> | >> Please find the replies below marked with MB> | >> | >> | >> El 04/05/11 20:41, Jari Arkko escribi=F3: | >>> | > | > [snip] | > | >> | >>>> So, when SEND is deployed, it is recommended to use SEND SAVI | >>>> [I-D.ietf-savi-send | >>>> = >>> vi-send>] | >>>> rather than FCFS SAVI." | >>> | >>> Is there some reason why proxy SEND cannot be employed here? | >>> | >> | >> MB> I will let Alberto to reply this one. | > | > This text comes from my review as shepherd of this document. | > | > As proxy SEND doesn't permit to check the validity of SENDized ND | > exchanges, IMHO, proxy SEND cannot be used easily. | > | > Best regards. | > | > JMC. | > | >> | >> Regards, marcelo | >> | >> | >>> Jari | >>> | >>> | >> | >> | >> _______________________________________________ | >> savi mailing list | >> savi@ietf.org | >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi | >> | > | _______________________________________________ | savi mailing list | savi@ietf.org | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi From jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com Tue Oct 18 11:11:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346DC21F8BAD for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:11:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.329 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.329 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bYph3khd62rc for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D53F21F8BA2 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyh20 with SMTP id 20so1051145gyh.31 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:11:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=moUKLWvPJpI6FFu7PS1bUq5RdN56v9p7PKSvD3+2IzE=; b=tPLklq7ER8WJM9aGoJ7q+1ImwM+Iz9m6JYePbZH7uOMIlJ4NecWZIOdstewEPyj4cN ACmgbuh+EV8fl/daK0NGBttTzJ3cn67czHtcCwh+8BvFj+1bDYYi1ucTbntMBaTBTYNo D4v9ccmU+FvZZEPGT0ZJXsw9WP+rDBgK/2Sp0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.113.136 with SMTP id a8mr5212186yhh.28.1318961490831; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.137.16 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:11:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003201cc8a85$9b8fae70$d2af0b50$@it.uc3m.es> References: <4DC19DD5.4040209@piuha.net> <4E970019.4000806@it.uc3m.es> <003201cc8a85$9b8fae70$d2af0b50$@it.uc3m.es> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:11:30 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jean-Michel Combes To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Garc=EDa?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: draft-ietf-savi-fcfs@tools.ietf.org, SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] AD review of draft-ietf-savi-fcfs X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:11:32 -0000 Hi, 2011/10/14 Alberto Garc=EDa : > Hi > > | =A0-----Mensaje original----- > | =A0De: savi-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:savi-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre d= e > | =A0Jean-Michel Combes > | =A0Enviado el: jueves, 13 de octubre de 2011 17:57 > | =A0Para: marcelo bagnulo braun > | =A0CC: draft-ietf-savi-fcfs@tools.ietf.org; SAVI Mailing List > | =A0Asunto: Re: [savi] AD review of draft-ietf-savi-fcfs > | > | =A0Sorry, in fact, proxy SEND checks validity of SENDized ND exchanges > (draft- > | =A0ietf-csi-proxy-send-05, section 5.2.1, 1.B). So, proxy SEND could be= used > but: > | =A0- proxy SEND requires hosts, in the network, are compliant with prox= y > SEND > > Yes. We should assume the following scenario (scenario #1): a link in whi= ch > all receivers are capable of processing proxy SEND messages (aka 'SPND > nodes'), and nodes either generate SEND or Proxy SEND messages. Agree. > > | =A0- proxy SEND is not "transparent" and so SAVI device will lose its > | =A0"invisibility" feature > > I don't understand this. With proxy SEND, the nodes know there is a proxy SEND entity (based on the Proxy Signature Option), that could act as SAVI device too (i.e., an useful information for a potential attacker). With SEND SAVI, IIRC, the SAVI device is not visible for the nodes on the link (as the SAVI device uses SENDized NUD messages, it looks like to a common SEND node). > Maybe you are thinking about a different deployment scenario to the one I > commented above, an alternative way of 'mixing' SAVI and proxy SEND, in > which SAVI devices would act as Proxy SEND devices for non-SEND nodes > (scenario #2). no no, cf. above :) > I think this is a bad idea, because it provides without reason the same > confidence to SEND and non-SEND devices, and I'm sure that this is not wh= at > we want to do. In the examples shown in the Proxy SEND draft, there is a > strong security link between the Proxy SEND device and the proxied nodes. > > > | =A0- proxy SEND requires many actions (certificate management, IP packe= t > | =A0modification, etc) and I am not sure that SAVI device will be able t= o do > this > | =A0as in common use cases the SAVI device is a L2 device. > In scenario #1, SAVI devices only validate Proxy SEND messages. They only > need to have the same capabilities of SPND nodes. So this features you > comment are not needed. > I think adding proxy SEND validation to SEND SAVI would be quite simple, = and > without much trouble. I think you (or is it me? :)) missed the point from Jari: from what I understood, Jari's question is "Is it possible to use proxy SEND (combined with FCFS SAVI) instead of SEND SAVI?". Jari, confirmation? Best regards, JMC. > > Makes sense? > If the answer is 'yes', then > - I could add some comment on Proxy SEND in the SEND SAVI document > - A line in the fcfs-savi document such as the current 'So, when SEND is > deployed, it is recommended to use SEND SAVI' (or could be also this > alternative text 'So, when SEND or Proxy SEND is deployed, it is recommen= ded > to use SEND SAVI') sounds ok to me. > > Regards, > Alberto > > | =A0- proxy SEND would need an API with FCFS SAVI > | > | =A0Best regards. > | > | =A0JMC. > | > | =A02011/10/13 Jean-Michel Combes : > | =A0> Hi, > | =A0> > | =A0> 2011/10/13 marcelo bagnulo braun : > | =A0>> Hi Jari, > | =A0>> > | =A0>> Please find the replies below marked with MB> > | =A0>> > | =A0>> > | =A0>> El 04/05/11 20:41, Jari Arkko escribi=F3: > | =A0>>> > | =A0> > | =A0> [snip] > | =A0> > | =A0>> > | =A0>>>> So, when SEND is deployed, it is recommended to use SEND SAVI > | =A0>>>> [I-D.ietf-savi-send > | =A0>>>> | =A0>>>> vi-send>] > | =A0>>>> rather than FCFS SAVI." > | =A0>>> > | =A0>>> Is there some reason why proxy SEND cannot be employed here? > | =A0>>> > | =A0>> > | =A0>> MB> I will let Alberto to reply this one. > | =A0> > | =A0> This text comes from my review as shepherd of this document. > | =A0> > | =A0> As proxy SEND doesn't permit to check the validity of SENDized ND > | =A0> exchanges, IMHO, proxy SEND cannot be used easily. > | =A0> > | =A0> Best regards. > | =A0> > | =A0> JMC. > | =A0> > | =A0>> > | =A0>> Regards, marcelo > | =A0>> > | =A0>> > | =A0>>> Jari > | =A0>>> > | =A0>>> > | =A0>> > | =A0>> > | =A0>> _______________________________________________ > | =A0>> savi mailing list > | =A0>> savi@ietf.org > | =A0>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi > | =A0>> > | =A0> > | =A0_______________________________________________ > | =A0savi mailing list > | =A0savi@ietf.org > | =A0https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi > > From jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com Tue Oct 25 07:33:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05BB21F8B64 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.125, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lsZW9DgmmTy2 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AED921F8B51 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywt2 with SMTP id 2so657830ywt.31 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:33:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ahaRBY+i4fpbZTEVYyq2cTMoIlAid7qcYxc9ofedST0=; b=WhYcj7Zwwpsf91GfbAu8JxlwReKcX/7bvfXD0C3Ob1BROVnZQ8xfU++hSArIR2ZvgZ /1I6lJpHriOi15Ya+b9MugtSY41Nkj9CyLRrIeYgRZTmhduopCG+L7vmJcYUJ755VLGz yrFQJuF7Zm+bQhi2n58FTtZEqJgMgmn9i0cWg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.139.133 with SMTP id c5mr41496566yhj.62.1319553184552; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.229.14 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:33:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:33:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jean-Michel Combes To: SAVI Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:33:06 -0000 Folks, more details about the SAVI session: TUESDAY, November 15, 2011 1710-1810 Afternoon Session III 101D INT savi Source Address Validation Improvements WG Best regards. JMC. 2011/10/13 Jean-Michel Combes : > Folks, > > there will be a SAVI session (1 hour slot) during the next IETF > meeting in Taipei. This session will focus on items for a potential > rechartering. > > Best regards. > > JMC. > From junbi@tsinghua.edu.cn Tue Oct 25 07:50:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B467721F8B8B for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:50:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.058 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.058 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.445, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_DSN=1.495, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pqVMFVu9byEt for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn (smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn [166.111.8.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064C621F8B81 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from th024157.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn ([59.66.24.157] helo=junbiVAIO) by smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RIiKL-0004K3-FO; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:50:05 +0800 Message-ID: <7A2174674E3A4627BFA7A3D5A2B4E552@junbiVAIO> From: "Jun Bi" To: "Jean-Michel Combes" , "SAVI Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:50:07 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:50:07 -0000 Currently there are some drafts and some dicussions at the mailing-list, I propose to discuss them at IETF 82. 1 Savi-mix (shall we go to last call or more comments) 2 Savi-mib 3 Savi-wlan 4 SAVI beyond the first hop 5 SAVI for IPv4/IPv6 transition 6 SAVI for telecom environment Thanks Jun Bi -----原始邮件----- From: Jean-Michel Combes Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:33 PM To: SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session Folks, more details about the SAVI session: TUESDAY, November 15, 2011 1710-1810 Afternoon Session III 101D INT savi Source Address Validation Improvements WG Best regards. JMC. 2011/10/13 Jean-Michel Combes : > Folks, > > there will be a SAVI session (1 hour slot) during the next IETF > meeting in Taipei. 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IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZBavCNtrhGrg for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from morbo.mail.tigertech.net (morbo.mail.tigertech.net [67.131.251.54]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3CA21F8B1E for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila1.tigertech.net (maila1.tigertech.net [208.80.4.151]) by morbo.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7931039E1 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F395F361E58; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maila1.tigertech.net Received: from [10.10.10.100] (pool-71-161-50-58.clppva.btas.verizon.net [71.161.50.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9401F361E39; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4EA81B9F.9000601@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:39:27 -0400 From: "Joel M. Halpern" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn References: , <201110261651051805465@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn> In-Reply-To: <201110261651051805465@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:39:33 -0000 Thank you for calling attention to this draft. I am a bit confused by several aspects of this draft. As a minor point, I find it confusing that it is named as an accepted working group draft. Is there another name under which the draft was submitted? There also appears to be a scope question. Although the charter is not clear, my understanding has been taht this WG is focused on validating IPv6 address assignment and usage. This draft seems to address the validation of and assignment of IPv4 addresses in mixed operating environments. That is a big change. And some of the cases are pure IPv4 cases, which would seem to be fully addressed by existing technology. Yours, Joel M. Halpern On 10/26/2011 4:51 AM, xuke wrote: > Dear JMC and all > > Attached please find the draft for item 5. > And if possible, could you give us a time slot for presentation at the onsite meeting? > > Regards, > xuke > >> Currently there are some drafts and some dicussions at the mailing-list, I >> propose to discuss them at IETF 82. >> >> 1 Savi-mix (shall we go to last call or more comments) >> 2 Savi-mib >> 3 Savi-wlan >> 4 SAVI beyond the first hop >> 5 SAVI for IPv4/IPv6 transition >> 6 SAVI for telecom environment >> >> Thanks >> Jun Bi From junbi@cernet.edu.cn Wed Oct 26 07:54:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F0E21F8B71 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.489 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, FH_HAS_XAIMC=2.696, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vI9yAieW-kRT for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cernet.edu.cn (sea.net.edu.cn [202.112.39.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EBFA21F8B70 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from junbiVAIOz138([59.66.24.138]) by cernet.edu.cn(AIMC 3.2.0.0) with SMTP id jm1b4ea82eb6; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:54:51 +0800 Message-ID: From: "Jun Bi" To: "Joel M. Halpern" , References: , <201110261651051805465@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn> <4EA81B9F.9000601@joelhalpern.com> In-Reply-To: <4EA81B9F.9000601@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:55:12 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109 X-AIMC-AUTH: junbi X-AIMC-MAILFROM: junbi@cernet.edu.cn X-AIMC-Msg-ID: vZ5sET1B Cc: SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:54:53 -0000 Dear Joel, I have pointed to Prof. Xu to that the file name should be changed, I think he will change before submit it to IETF. As to the charter, the current charter says "- Both IPv4 and IPv6 need to be covered." If you may rememer, the savi-dhcp covers both v4 and v6. Anyway, it is still in the SAVI re-charting phase, let's discuss if there is a potential issue in IP4/IPv6 transition period. thanks, Jun Bi -----原始邮件----- From: Joel M. Halpern Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:39 PM To: xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn Cc: SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session Thank you for calling attention to this draft. I am a bit confused by several aspects of this draft. As a minor point, I find it confusing that it is named as an accepted working group draft. Is there another name under which the draft was submitted? There also appears to be a scope question. Although the charter is not clear, my understanding has been taht this WG is focused on validating IPv6 address assignment and usage. This draft seems to address the validation of and assignment of IPv4 addresses in mixed operating environments. That is a big change. And some of the cases are pure IPv4 cases, which would seem to be fully addressed by existing technology. Yours, Joel M. Halpern On 10/26/2011 4:51 AM, xuke wrote: > Dear JMC and all > > Attached please find the draft for item 5. > And if possible, could you give us a time slot for presentation at the > onsite meeting? > > Regards, > xuke > >> Currently there are some drafts and some dicussions at the mailing-list, >> I >> propose to discuss them at IETF 82. >> >> 1 Savi-mix (shall we go to last call or more comments) >> 2 Savi-mib >> 3 Savi-wlan >> 4 SAVI beyond the first hop >> 5 SAVI for IPv4/IPv6 transition >> 6 SAVI for telecom environment >> >> Thanks >> Jun Bi _______________________________________________ savi mailing list savi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Oct 26 09:29:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B64821F8726; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:29:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.579 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MHJP62WumTLq; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298C421F8753; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:29:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.61 Message-ID: <20111026162900.19937.83587.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:29:00 -0700 Cc: savi@ietf.org Subject: [savi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-savi-mix-01.txt X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:29:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Source Address Validation Improvement= s Working Group of the IETF. Title : SAVI for Mixed Address Assignment Methods Scenario Author(s) : Jun Bi Guang Yao Joel M. Halpern Eric Levy-Abegnoli Filename : draft-ietf-savi-mix-01.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2011-10-26 This document reviews how multiple address discovery methods can coexist in a single SAVI device and collisions are resolved when the same binding entry is discovered by two or more methods. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-savi-mix-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-savi-mix-01.txt From jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 13:54:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5EC11E809F for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.111 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.111 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.301, BAYES_00=-2.599, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nr0KuqFF2aRG for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3888A11E8090 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggnv1 with SMTP id v1so2293450ggn.31 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+gE79dqIoXtnqpqnT6ZZb/ot8NxEg+XFtc61TpcG6gQ=; b=Bm8jgk36I/+SxMJBSM4N7Qg8cGlmHNCWYXO9BtbMsRFhZd2v/M+jVOeNdcyjexD4NR tC61iIxm55nULl0lIWwnGvxMBknu9h+UkuAI/QD45dnFx9+zX/eojEmJLOCcGlVB9GIP kt4WI0l3nkvW3fPxkKQZeDf2VLFLKxg+BGpVo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.78.104 with SMTP id f68mr21870431yhe.38.1319662463838; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.229.14 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:54:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201110261651051805465@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn> <4EA81B9F.9000601@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:54:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jean-Michel Combes To: Jun Bi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: SAVI Mailing List , xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:54:25 -0000 Hi Jun, 2011/10/26 Jun Bi : > Dear Joel, > > I have pointed to Prof. Xu to that the file name should be changed, I thi= nk > he will change before submit it to IETF. Just an advice: - change the name of this draft - host it on a professional/personal WWW site - sent the URL to the ML (or at least to me, that would be useful when I will announce the agenda for the SAVI session) Best regards. JMC. > > As to the charter, the current charter says "- Both IPv4 and IPv6 need to= be > covered." If you may rememer, the savi-dhcp covers both v4 and v6. > > Anyway, it is still in the SAVI re-charting phase, let's discuss if there= is > a potential issue in IP4/IPv6 transition period. > > thanks, > Jun Bi > > -----=D4=AD=CA=BC=D3=CA=BC=FE----- From: Joel M. Halpern > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:39 PM > To: xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn > Cc: SAVI Mailing List > Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session > > Thank you for calling attention to this draft. > > I am a bit confused by several aspects of this draft. > As a minor point, I find it confusing that it is named as an accepted > working group draft. Is there another name under which the draft was > submitted? > > There also appears to be a scope question. Although the charter is not > clear, my understanding has been taht this WG is focused on validating > IPv6 address assignment and usage. This draft seems to address the > validation of and assignment of IPv4 addresses in mixed operating > environments. That is a big change. > > And some of the cases are pure IPv4 cases, which would seem to be fully > addressed by existing technology. > > Yours, > Joel M. Halpern > > On 10/26/2011 4:51 AM, xuke wrote: >> >> Dear JMC and all >> >> Attached please find the draft for item 5. >> And if possible, could you give us a time slot for presentation at the >> onsite meeting? >> >> Regards, >> xuke >> >>> Currently there are some drafts and some dicussions at the mailing-list= , >>> I >>> propose to discuss them at IETF 82. >>> >>> 1 Savi-mix (shall we go to last call or more comments) >>> 2 Savi-mib >>> 3 Savi-wlan >>> 4 SAVI beyond the first hop >>> 5 SAVI for IPv4/IPv6 transition >>> 6 SAVI for telecom environment >>> >>> Thanks >>> Jun Bi > > _______________________________________________ > savi mailing list > savi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi > _______________________________________________ > savi mailing list > savi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi > From jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 13:56:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468D621F8B81 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:56:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.361 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.361 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.238, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GRERCPoOCYb0 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D4821F8B52 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywt2 with SMTP id 2so2303960ywt.31 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:56:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mC75Elz+7Ab8I0OgymZmPML4jvxOMxAUeHCtH9SOT2E=; b=sjeVSNgkEAIF+CT2usjB2eN9CYLytzBbVdg3Up4a3SZXy3p2qAL19Vshp8VsmWhqep jjt9nch3WcEeSk6QNjWmu3n3ZHJDTu41UWxHj2KBp3nBIDoBiqp2T1s1bvapHaove+0D 4TE3haZhZStmsOWXvqWZ3537foyXtzNCzmXBI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.129.238 with SMTP id h74mr48440864yhi.99.1319662615397; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.229.14 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:56:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4EA81B9F.9000601@joelhalpern.com> References: <201110261651051805465@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn> <4EA81B9F.9000601@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:56:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jean-Michel Combes To: "Joel M. Halpern" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: SAVI Mailing List , xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:56:58 -0000 Hi Joel, 2011/10/26 Joel M. Halpern : > Thank you for calling attention to this draft. > > I am a bit confused by several aspects of this draft. > As a minor point, I find it confusing that it is named as an accepted > working group draft. =A0Is there another name under which the draft was > submitted? AFAIK, this is the first version of this draft and this is _not_ a WG draft. Based on Jun's reply, the name will be consequently modified. Yours, JMC. > > There also appears to be a scope question. =A0Although the charter is not > clear, my understanding has been taht this WG is focused on validating IP= v6 > address assignment and usage. =A0This draft seems to address the validati= on of > and assignment of IPv4 addresses in mixed operating environments. =A0That= is a > big change. > > And some of the cases are pure IPv4 cases, which would seem to be fully > addressed by existing technology. > > Yours, > Joel M. Halpern > > On 10/26/2011 4:51 AM, xuke wrote: >> >> Dear JMC and all >> >> Attached please find the draft for item 5. >> And if possible, could you give us a time slot for presentation at the >> onsite meeting? >> >> Regards, >> xuke >> >>> Currently there are some drafts and some dicussions at the mailing-list= , >>> I >>> propose to discuss them at IETF 82. >>> >>> 1 Savi-mix (shall we go to last call or more comments) >>> 2 Savi-mib >>> 3 Savi-wlan >>> 4 SAVI beyond the first hop >>> 5 SAVI for IPv4/IPv6 transition >>> 6 SAVI for telecom environment >>> >>> Thanks >>> Jun Bi > > _______________________________________________ > savi mailing list > savi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi > From jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com Wed Oct 26 14:00:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1763421F8B94 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:00:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.99 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.99 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.180, BAYES_00=-2.599, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2gZk4LD1voug for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846E221F8B92 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyh20 with SMTP id 20so2315862gyh.31 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=J5TnxaVFCrypcw4NNEaBe8sAZVRG3xn5XlGUc/bOSGA=; b=YmcNxyZ4lLqEApSMCUmZesSTKuPSn/qep59c0QRerNsYUyOHWaNqL34a7KjGPsPV8b sItw9ye9Vkq75edvDsfaD74I30GsG9Ps2uymYVuZYzKGgDVxX+P3PeVaOd1c4mu84zmG x24nn3NjG5BQm1ASVQ1ruqLNrnOuhE1TBDqCY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.155.1 with SMTP id i1mr49926404yhk.8.1319662806183; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.229.14 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201110261651051805465@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn> References: <201110261651051805465@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:00:06 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jean-Michel Combes To: xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:00:07 -0000 Hi Xuke, 2011/10/26 xuke : > Dear JMC and all > > Attached please find the draft for item 5. Thanks. Now, the preferred use is to host a document on a personal/professional WWW site when the IETF submission deadline is over and to only announce the URL on the ML. Hope that helps :) > And if possible, could you give us a time slot for presentation at the on= site meeting? Noted. I will keep you in touch ASAP. Best regards. JMC. > > Regards, > xuke > >>Currently there are some drafts and some dicussions at the mailing-list, = I >>propose to discuss them at IETF 82. >> >>1 Savi-mix (shall we go to last call or more comments) >>2 Savi-mib >>3 Savi-wlan >>4 SAVI beyond the first hop >>5 SAVI for IPv4/IPv6 transition >>6 SAVI for telecom environment >> >>Thanks >>Jun Bi >>-----=D4=AD=CA=BC=D3=CA=BC=FE----- >>From: Jean-Michel Combes >>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:33 PM >>To: SAVI Mailing List >>Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session >> >>Folks, >> >>more details about the SAVI session: >> >>TUESDAY, November 15, 2011 >> >>1710-1810 Afternoon Session III >>101D INT savi Source Address Validation Improvements WG >> >>Best regards. >> >>JMC. >> >> >>2011/10/13 Jean-Michel Combes : >>> Folks, >>> >>> there will be a SAVI session (1 hour slot) during the next IETF >>> meeting in Taipei. This session will focus on items for a potential >>> rechartering. >>> >>> Best regards. >>> >>> JMC. >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>savi mailing list >>savi@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>savi mailing list >>savi@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi > From xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn Wed Oct 26 20:01:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2672C21F84D7 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GGfLsKseLRpc for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn (smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn [166.111.8.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3FE21F84C1 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [123.114.38.98] (helo=xuke-air) by smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJGDV-0006GR-SF; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:01:18 +0800 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:01:17 +0800 From: "xuke" To: "Joel M. Halpern" References: , , <201110261651051805465@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn> Message-ID: <201110271101155178098@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn> Organization: Institute of Computer Network and Technology, Tsinghua University X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 15, 201, 22 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: SAVI Mailing List Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:01:24 -0000 Sorry for the confusion of the name, we'll modify it. For the scope, just as Jun mentioned, the current charter says "- Both IPv4 and IPv6 need to be covered." And we think for many ISP , the IPv4/IPv6 transition period will last long time, so we really need to pay attention to some potential issues. thanks, xu ke >Thank you for calling attention to this draft. > >I am a bit confused by several aspects of this draft. >As a minor point, I find it confusing that it is named as an accepted >working group draft. Is there another name under which the draft was >submitted? > >There also appears to be a scope question. Although the charter is not >clear, my understanding has been taht this WG is focused on validating >IPv6 address assignment and usage. This draft seems to address the >validation of and assignment of IPv4 addresses in mixed operating >environments. That is a big change. > >And some of the cases are pure IPv4 cases, which would seem to be fully >addressed by existing technology. > >Yours, >Joel M. Halpern > >On 10/26/2011 4:51 AM, xuke wrote: >> Dear JMC and all >> >> Attached please find the draft for item 5. >> And if possible, could you give us a time slot for presentation at the onsite meeting? >> >> Regards, >> xuke >> >>> Currently there are some drafts and some dicussions at the mailing-list, I >>> propose to discuss them at IETF 82. >>> >>> 1 Savi-mix (shall we go to last call or more comments) >>> 2 Savi-mib >>> 3 Savi-wlan >>> 4 SAVI beyond the first hop >>> 5 SAVI for IPv4/IPv6 transition >>> 6 SAVI for telecom environment >>> >>> Thanks >>> Jun Bi >_______________________________________________ >savi mailing list >savi@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/savi > From xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn Wed Oct 26 20:02:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35CF21F8A7D for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.328 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.328 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.271, BAYES_00=-2.599, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BnEJEYC1Y3-5 for ; 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Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.146.229.14 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:13:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:13:09 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jean-Michel Combes To: SAVI Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [savi] [IETF82] SAVI WG session X-BeenThere: savi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list for the SAVI working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:13:13 -0000 Folks, during the SAVI WG session, we will need one (or more) minutes taker and one jabber scribe. If there is a real interest for this F2F meeting, I expect volunteers. Thanks a lot in advance. Best regards. JMC. 2011/10/25 Jean-Michel Combes : > Folks, > > more details about the SAVI session: > > TUESDAY, November 15, 2011 > > 1710-1810 =A0Afternoon Session III > 101D =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0INT =A0 =A0 savi =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0Source Address Validation Improvements WG > > Best regards. > > JMC. > > > 2011/10/13 Jean-Michel Combes : >> Folks, >> >> there will be a SAVI session (1 hour slot) during the next IETF >> meeting in Taipei. This session will focus on items for a potential >> rechartering. >> >> Best regards. >> >> JMC. >> > From xuke@mail.tsinghua.edu.cn Mon Oct 31 05:12:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: savi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EEB21F8DA6 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 05:12:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.432 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8aULig43yRVW for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 05:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn (smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn [166.111.8.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1FF21F84E1 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2011 05:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [115.170.69.66] (helo=xuke-air) by smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RKqj7-0001fn-Gi; 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