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  <draft-ietf-savi-mix-12.txt> as Proposed Standard

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Abstract


   In networks that use multiple techniques for address assignment, the
   appropriate Source Address Validation Improvement (SAVI) methods must
   be used to prevent spoofing of addresses assigned by each such
   technique.  This document reviews how multiple SAVI methods can
   coexist in a single SAVI device and collisions are resolved when the
   same binding entry is discovered by two or more methods.




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No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.


The document contains these normative downward references.
See RFC 3967 for additional information: 
    rfc7039: Source Address Validation Improvement (SAVI) Framework (Informational - IETF stream)
Note that some of these references may already be listed in the acceptable Downref Registry.



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Source Address Validation Improvements of the IETF.

        Title           : SAVI for Mixed Address Assignment Methods Scenario
        Authors         : Jun Bi
                          Guang Yao
                          Joel M. Halpern
                          Eric Levy-Abegnoli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-savi-mix-13.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2016-11-29

Abstract:
   In networks that use multiple techniques for address assignment, the
   appropriate Source Address Validation Improvement (SAVI) methods must
   be used to prevent spoofing of addresses assigned by each such
   technique.  This document reviews how multiple SAVI methods can
   coexist in a single SAVI device and collisions are resolved when the
   same binding entry is discovered by two or more methods.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Source Address Validation Improvements of the IETF.

        Title           : SAVI for Mixed Address Assignment Methods Scenario
        Authors         : Jun Bi
                          Guang Yao
                          Joel M. Halpern
                          Eric Levy-Abegnoli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-savi-mix-14.txt
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Abstract:
   In networks that use multiple techniques for address assignment, the
   appropriate Source Address Validation Improvement (SAVI) methods must
   be used to prevent spoofing of addresses assigned by each such
   technique.  This document reviews how multiple SAVI methods can
   coexist in a single SAVI device and collisions are resolved when the
   same binding entry is discovered by two or more methods.


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= Abstract =

The phrase "must be used" sounds too prescriptive. I think something
along the following lines would be more accurate:

In networks that use multiple techniques for address assignment, the
spoofing of addresses assigned by each technique can be prevented using
the appropriate Source Address Validation Improvement (SAVI) methods.



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There are a number of acronyms that could use expansion or a reference
for the first time they are used (CGA, DAD are the 2 I caught).  This
will probably be caught by the RFC Editor, but help sooner might be
useful.

I'm fairly certain that Joel Halpern hasn't worked at Newbridge Networks
for quite a few years...



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I have a few minor (non-binding) comments, and some editorial comments:

Substantive:

-3, 7th paragraph: "... SAVI binding table should be shared..."
This seems like it might deserve a SHOULD, given that it seems like one
of the main points of the document.

-4: Can you define (or cite a definition) for "binding anchor"?

- 6.1.1: Is the "manual" method excluded from consideration here? If so,
it would be helpful to explain that, and why.

- 6.1.2: It's not clear to me what the  title "Overwritten preferences"
means. Should this be "Exceptions"?

- 6.1.2.2, paragraph 6, "message should be discarded":
That seems important, should the should be SHOULD?

-- (same paragraph), "It is suggested to limit
   the rate of defense NAs to reduce security threats to the switch."

Can you elaborate on that threat, or cite something that does?

- 6.2: I'm a bit surprised this section doesn't prioritize the binding
with the longest expiration time. Or do you assume the manual method and
FCFS method do not have expirations?

-8: Can you elaborate on the correlation concern?


Editorial:

- General: There are a number of abbreviations that should be expanded on
the first use.

-1, paragraph 1: s/Validaiton/Validation

- 3: Is there a reason the 4th method (manual) doesn't get a place on the
list? If so, it would be helpful to add text to explain why.

- 5: The DHCP/SLAAC and SeND/non-SeND headings seem ambiguous, in that it
is not clear to me that the "/" means "these two things in combination",
as opposed to "either of these methods". I suggest writing out what you
mean rather than using the "/" as a shortcut. (Also, are these the only
combinations that people need to think about?)

-6: I assume "assignment separation" is the method described in section
5, but that section never uses those exact words. Please consider using a
consistent term.

-6.1.1, first paragraph "decide to whom"
Does this mean to decide which binding anchor to use? (Otherwise, who is
"whom"?)

-- The use of a numbered list in 6.1.1 seems to imply some ordering or
preference, but I don't think that is the intent. If so,  please 
consider using an non-numbered list.

- 6.1.2.2 could use some proofreading--there are a number of grammar
errors and unclear statements.
--  "value of a know binding anchor":
s/know/known
-- last paragraph: What is the antecedent of "It" in "It should not
install..."
-- s/"... prevent the node to assign..."/"... prevent the node from
assigning..."
-- I don't understand the intent of the second to last sentence well
enough to suggest wording.

- 6.1.3: Please spell out FCFS



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ht: 1.5; }</style></head><body>=0A<div><span></span>Dear Ben,</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Many thanks for your&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family: 'Micros=
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=9B=85=E9=BB=91; font-size: 14px; line-height: 21px;">Jun Bi</div></div></=
span></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ma=
rgin-left: 0.5em;"><div>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:s=
olid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=
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</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:ben@nostrum.com">Ben Campbell</a></div><div><b=
>Date:</b>&nbsp;2016-11-30&nbsp;07:19</div><div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D=
"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">The IESG</a></div><div><b>CC:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:savi-chairs@ietf.org">savi-chairs</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-=
savi-mix@ietf.org">draft-ietf-savi-mix</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:savi@ietf.or=
g">savi</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:jeanmichel.combes@orange.com">jeanmichel.co=
mbes</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;[savi] Ben Campbell's No Objection=
 on draft-ietf-savi-mix-14: (with COMMENT)</div></div></div><div><div>Ben =
Campbell has entered the following ballot position for</div>=0A<div>draft-=
ietf-savi-mix-14: No Objection</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>When respo=
nding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all</div>=0A<div>e=
mail addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this</di=
v>=0A<div>introductory paragraph, however.)</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<d=
iv>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement=
/discuss-criteria.html</div>=0A<div>for more information about IESG DISCUS=
S and COMMENT positions.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<=
div>The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:</d=
iv>=0A<div>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-savi-mix/</div>=0A<=
div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>----------=
------------------------------------------------------------</div>=0A<div>=
COMMENT:</div>=0A<div>----------------------------------------------------=
------------------</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>I have a few minor (no=
n-binding) comments, and some editorial comments:</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div=
>=0A<div>Substantive:</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>-3, 7th paragraph: =
"... SAVI binding table should be shared..."</div>=0A<div>This seems like =
it might deserve a SHOULD, given that it seems like one</div>=0A<div>of th=
e main points of the document.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>-4: Can yo=
u define (or cite a definition) for "binding anchor"?</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;<=
/div>=0A<div>- 6.1.1: Is the "manual" method excluded from consideration h=
ere? If so,</div>=0A<div>it would be helpful to explain that, and why.</di=
v>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>- 6.1.2: It's not clear to me what the&nbsp;=
 title "Overwritten preferences"</div>=0A<div>means. Should this be "Excep=
tions"?</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>- 6.1.2.2, paragraph 6, "message =
should be discarded":</div>=0A<div>That seems important, should the should=
 be SHOULD?</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>-- (same paragraph), "It is s=
uggested to limit</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; the rate of defense NAs to red=
uce security threats to the switch."</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>Can =
you elaborate on that threat, or cite something that does?</div>=0A<div>&n=
bsp;</div>=0A<div>- 6.2: I'm a bit surprised this section doesn't prioriti=
ze the binding</div>=0A<div>with the longest expiration time. Or do you as=
sume the manual method and</div>=0A<div>FCFS method do not have expiration=
s?</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>-8: Can you elaborate on the correlati=
on concern?</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>Editorial=
:</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>- General: There are a number of abbrev=
iations that should be expanded on</div>=0A<div>the first use.</div>=0A<di=
v>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>-1, paragraph 1: s/Validaiton/Validation</div>=0A<di=
v>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>- 3: Is there a reason the 4th method (manual) doesn=
't get a place on the</div>=0A<div>list? If so, it would be helpful to add=
 text to explain why.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>- 5: The DHCP/SLAAC=
 and SeND/non-SeND headings seem ambiguous, in that it</div>=0A<div>is not=
 clear to me that the "/" means "these two things in combination",</div>=
=0A<div>as opposed to "either of these methods". I suggest writing out wha=
t you</div>=0A<div>mean rather than using the "/" as a shortcut. (Also, ar=
e these the only</div>=0A<div>combinations that people need to think about=
?)</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>-6: I assume "assignment separation" i=
s the method described in section</div>=0A<div>5, but that section never u=
ses those exact words. Please consider using a</div>=0A<div>consistent ter=
m.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>-6.1.1, first paragraph "decide to who=
m"</div>=0A<div>Does this mean to decide which binding anchor to use? (Oth=
erwise, who is</div>=0A<div>"whom"?)</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>-- T=
he use of a numbered list in 6.1.1 seems to imply some ordering or</div>=
=0A<div>preference, but I don't think that is the intent. If so,&nbsp; ple=
ase </div>=0A<div>consider using an non-numbered list.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;=
</div>=0A<div>- 6.1.2.2 could use some proofreading--there are a number of=
 grammar</div>=0A<div>errors and unclear statements.</div>=0A<div>--&nbsp;=
 "value of a know binding anchor":</div>=0A<div>s/know/known</div>=0A<div>=
-- last paragraph: What is the antecedent of "It" in "It should not</div>=
=0A<div>install..."</div>=0A<div>-- s/"... prevent the node to assign..."/=
"... prevent the node from</div>=0A<div>assigning..."</div>=0A<div>-- I do=
n't understand the intent of the second to last sentence well</div>=0A<div=
>enough to suggest wording.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>- 6.1.3: Plea=
se spell out FCFS</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>___=
____________________________________________</div>=0A<div>savi mailing lis=
t</div>=0A<div>savi@ietf.org</div>=0A<div>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/lis=
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om:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:akatlas@gmail.com">Alia Atlas</a></div><div=
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tf.org">savi</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:jeanmichel.combes@orange.com">jeanmich=
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on on draft-ietf-savi-mix-14: (with COMMENT)</div></div></div><div><div>Al=
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t time they are used (CGA, DAD are the 2 I caught).&nbsp; This</div>=0A<di=
v>will probably be caught by the RFC Editor, but help sooner might be</div=
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Subject: [savi] PIO-X considerations
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Hi,

we have proposed 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pioxfolks-6man-pio-exclusive-bit-01 in 
6man.

I'd like to understand more how SAVI documents would be impacted by this. 
Would a new SAVI document be created if PIO-X flag would get adopted by 
6man, or should our document update any existing SAVI document(s)?

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se


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Probably Ben caught them already but there are a few cases where there
should be an upper letter SHOULD instead of a lower latter should.



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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@kuehl=
ewind.net">Mirja Kuehlewind</a></div><div><b>=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=
=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A</b>&nbsp;2016-11-30&nbsp;18:51</div><div><b>=E6=94=B6=
=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">The =
IESG</a></div><div><b>=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mail=
to:savi-chairs@ietf.org">savi-chairs</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-sav=
i-mix@ietf.org">draft-ietf-savi-mix</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:savi@ietf.org">=
savi</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:jeanmichel.combes@orange.com">jeanmichel.combe=
s</a></div><div><b>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A</b>&nbsp;[savi]Mirja K=C3=
=BChlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-savi-mix-14: (with COMMENT)</div><=
/div></div><div><div>Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot=
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iv>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>When responding, please keep the subject line intac=
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tps://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html</div>=0A<div>for m=
ore information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.</div>=0A<div>&nb=
sp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>The document, along with other ballot=
 positions, can be found here:</div>=0A<div>https://datatracker.ietf.org/d=
oc/draft-ietf-savi-mix/</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<d=
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iv>=0A<div>Probably Ben caught them already but there are a few cases wher=
e there</div>=0A<div>should be an upper letter SHOULD instead of a lower l=
atter should.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>_______=
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