From owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Mon Oct 12 17:13:40 1998 Received: from mail.proper.com (mail.proper.com [206.86.127.224]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with ESMTP id RAA05025 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA20993 for ietf-schema-reg-bks; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nome.software.com (nome.software.com [207.175.94.3]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20989 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from software.com ([10.8.5.3]) by nome.software.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-49480U1000L1000S20000V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:52:59 -0700 Message-ID: <36226C27.F192E0FE@software.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:52:55 -0700 From: Sanjay.Jain@software.com (Sanjay Jain) Organization: Software.Com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Subject: Some questions regarding LDAP schema registration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Precedence: bulk Could somebody please answer some of my questions regarding LDAP schema registration process ? 1. Is there now a process to register an LDAP schema ? I remember some work was started sometime last year. 2. How can I find out which LDAP schemas people have defined so far ? 3. Is there a process to avoid conflicts in attribute names and object class names in the LDAP schemas defined by various people ? If not, then how do 2 LDAP directory applications which define a same attribute name (or object class) with different semantics work with a single LDAP directory ? thanks sanjay From owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Mon Oct 12 17:37:36 1998 Received: from mail.proper.com (mail.proper.com [206.86.127.224]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with ESMTP id RAA05373 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA21204 for ietf-schema-reg-bks; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i.control.att.com (H-135-205-52-126.control.att.com [135.205.52.126] (may be forged)) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21200 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from master.control.att.com(really [135.205.52.13]) by i.control.att.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:16:29 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #1 built 1997-May-3) Received: by master.control.att.com via sendmail with stdio id for Sanjay.Jain@software.com; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:16:34 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #4 built 1997-May-2) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:16:34 -0400 (EDT) From: capple@master.control.att.com (Christopher W Apple) To: Sanjay.Jain@software.com (Sanjay Jain), ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Subject: Re: Some questions regarding LDAP schema registration Sender: owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Precedence: bulk > Could somebody please answer some of my questions > regarding LDAP schema registration process ? > > 1. Is there now a process to register an LDAP schema ? > I remember some work was started sometime last year. There is no working system right now. My understanding was that the Internet Directory Consortium was to pick up the development and operations responsibility for it. Maybe someone from that org will see this message and respond with status. The documents are dependent on other documents which have not made it through the pipe yet. I do not think that an IETF Last Call will be issued for the schema listing service documents until the other documents make it through. > 2. How can I find out which LDAP schemas people have > defined so far ? Post a message to the LDAP-related mailing lists asking about particular types of schema. Right now, I believe this is the only way of finding out what work has been done (other than that in the LDAP specs). > > 3. Is there a process to avoid conflicts in attribute names > and object class names in the LDAP schemas defined > by various people ? If not, then how do 2 LDAP directory > applications which define a same attribute name (or object class) > with different semantics work with a single LDAP directory ? These questions are consistent with the spirit of what the the schema listing proposal review process (defined in the schema listing service documents) was supposed to insure against. There are also supposed to be searching facilities associated with the listing service that would enable schema writers to discover if an attribute or object class name has beed used before. There are pointers to all schema listing service documents at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/schema-charter.html > thanks > sanjay ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Apple Business Site: AnyWho Directory Service Internet Directory Group http://www.anywho.com AT&T Labs capple@master.control.att.com +1 908 582 2409 Tired of slow directories? Try AnyWho. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Tue Oct 13 02:39:34 1998 Received: from mail.proper.com (mail.proper.com [206.86.127.224]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with ESMTP id CAA17903 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 02:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id XAA06770 for ietf-schema-reg-bks; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.rdg.opengroup.org (mailgate.rdg.opengroup.org [192.153.166.4]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06763 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mailgate.rdg.opengroup.org; id AA12886; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:28:17 GMT Received: from ppp192-153-166-59.rdg.opengroup.org [192.153.166.59] by mailgate.rdg.opengroup.org via smtpd V%I% (%D% %T%) for ; Tue Oct 13 07:28 BST 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981013071819.00817100@mailhome.rdg.opengroup.org> X-Sender: cjh@mailhome.rdg.opengroup.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:18:19 +0100 To: capple@master.control.att.com (Christopher W Apple), Sanjay.Jain@software.com (Sanjay Jain), ietf-ldapext@netscape.com, ietf-schema-reg@imc.org From: Chris Harding Subject: Re: (c.harding 21539) Re: Some questions regarding LDAP schema registration In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Precedence: bulk The Schema Registry is something that the Internet Directory Consortium wants to do. But the funding model for a registry of this kind is difficult. It costs, not a lot, but something, to set up and run. The costs are unlikely to be recovered through operating the registry - if there is a big (or any?) charge to use it, people probably won't. So the best way is through a consortium of some kind, funded by companies that want to see it established because it will help their business. The position right now is that we don't have the level of commitment that would enable us to set it up and run a registry. So, if you want to see one, talk to your management and pursuade them to sign up! To do this, contact Clive Betteridge - c.betteridge@opengroup.org - or myself. At 17:16 12/10/98 -0400, Christopher W Apple wrote: >> Could somebody please answer some of my questions >> regarding LDAP schema registration process ? >> >> 1. Is there now a process to register an LDAP schema ? >> I remember some work was started sometime last year. > >There is no working system right now. My understanding was >that the Internet Directory Consortium was to pick up the >development and operations responsibility for it. Maybe someone >from that org will see this message and respond with status. > >The documents are dependent on other documents which have not >made it through the pipe yet. I do not think that an IETF >Last Call will be issued for the schema listing service documents >until the other documents make it through. > >> 2. How can I find out which LDAP schemas people have >> defined so far ? > >Post a message to the LDAP-related mailing lists asking about >particular types of schema. Right now, I believe this is the >only way of finding out what work has been done (other than >that in the LDAP specs). > >> >> 3. Is there a process to avoid conflicts in attribute names >> and object class names in the LDAP schemas defined >> by various people ? If not, then how do 2 LDAP directory >> applications which define a same attribute name (or object class) >> with different semantics work with a single LDAP directory ? > >These questions are consistent with the spirit of what the >the schema listing proposal review process (defined in the >schema listing service documents) was supposed to insure against. >There are also supposed to be searching facilities associated with >the listing service that would enable schema writers to discover >if an attribute or object class name has beed used before. > >There are pointers to all schema listing service documents at > > http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/schema-charter.html > > >> thanks >> sanjay > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Chris Apple Business Site: AnyWho Directory Service >Internet Directory Group http://www.anywho.com >AT&T Labs >capple@master.control.att.com >+1 908 582 2409 Tired of slow directories? Try AnyWho. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Regards, Chris +++++ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Harding T H E Development Manager O P E N Apex Plaza, Forbury Road, Reading RG1 1AX, UK G R O U P Mailto:c.harding@opengroup.org Ph: +44 118 950 8311 x2262 WWW: http://www.opengroup.org Fx: +44 118 950 0110 OSF/1, Motif, UNIX and the "X" device are registered trademarks in the US and other countries, and IT DialTone and The Open Group are trademarks of The Open Group. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Tue Oct 13 18:17:37 1998 Received: from mail.proper.com (mail.proper.com [206.86.127.224]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with ESMTP id SAA04582 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA21806 for ietf-schema-reg-bks; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM (SYSTEM@THOR.INNOSOFT.COM [192.160.253.66]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21802 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elwood.innosoft.com ([192.160.253.60]) by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V5.2-29 #30494) with SMTP id <01J2XCSN0PYI94E81F@INNOSOFT.COM> for ietf-schema-reg@imc.org; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:04:23 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Newman Subject: Re: (c.harding 21539) Re: Some questions regarding LDAP schema registration In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.19981013071819.00817100@mailhome.rdg.opengroup.org> Originator-info: login-id=chris; server=THOR.INNOSOFT.COM To: Chris Harding Cc: IETF LDAP Extensions WG , ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Chris Harding wrote: > The Schema Registry is something that the Internet Directory Consortium > wants to do. But the funding model for a registry of this kind is > difficult. It costs, not a lot, but something, to set up and run. The > costs are unlikely to be recovered through operating the registry - > if there is a big (or any?) charge to use it, people probably won't. > So the best way is through a consortium of some kind, funded by companies > that want to see it established because it will help their business. > The position right now is that we don't have the level of commitment > that would enable us to set it up and run a registry. I'd further add that lacking a registry, the only way to make a schema for general-purpose use (as opposed to vendor-specific use) is to write a standards track RFC for the schema. I actually think this model has worked well for SNMP MIBs which certainly resemble schemas in a number of ways. - Chris From owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Tue Oct 13 20:03:53 1998 Received: from mail.proper.com (mail.proper.com [206.86.127.224]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with ESMTP id UAA05344 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA22385 for ietf-schema-reg-bks; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nome.software.com (nome.software.com [207.175.94.3]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22381 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from software.com ([10.8.5.3]) by nome.software.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-49480U1000L1000S20000V35) with ESMTP id com; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:54:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3623E839.A8F05628@software.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:54:34 -0700 From: Sanjay.Jain@software.com (Sanjay Jain) Organization: Software.Com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Newman CC: Chris Harding , IETF LDAP Extensions WG , ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Subject: Re: (c.harding 21539) Re: Some questions regarding LDAP schema registration References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-schema-reg@imc.org Precedence: bulk Chris Newman wrote: > I'd further add that lacking a registry, the only way to make a schema for > general-purpose use (as opposed to vendor-specific use) is to write a > standards track RFC for the schema. I actually think this model has > worked well for SNMP MIBs which certainly resemble schemas in a number of > ways. > But this model does not prevent somebody to redefine an attribute or object class with name which has already been used. 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