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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Our agenda for today's bi-weekly meeting at 8am PT will start with a review= of the ietf scim PAM (privileged access management) draft as well as to lo= ok at the spreadsheet that you all might remember from a previous meetup. Also - I believe I now have a calendar setup that can be exported to a .ics= file and therefore reliably imported by you all. That .ics link is going = into our github repo, which is also where our notes will live and so we can= start posting links to calendars, agendas, and notes with ease. For now, here is the calendar link and also the teams link: Calendar ICS: https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000= -000000000000/25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/cal= endar.ics Calendar HTML: https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-000= 0-000000000000/25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/ca= lendar.ics Teams: Click here to join the meeting --_000_MW2PR00MB044175A55D621BD26FDAA174F6759MW2PR00MB0441namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

Our agenda for today's bi-weekly meeting at 8am PT will start with a review= of the ietf scim PAM (privileged access management) draft as well as to lo= ok at the spreadsheet that you all might remember from a previous meetup.

Also - I believe I now have a calendar setup that can be exported to a .ics= file and therefore reliably imported by you all.  That .ics link is g= oing into our github repo, which is also where our notes will live and so w= e can start posting links to calendars, agendas, and notes with ease. 

For now, here is the calendar link and also the teams link: 



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[2001:569:7a71:1d00:39be:5611:b864:6dcf]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c2sm22256149pfb.121.2021.04.07.09.18.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Apr 2021 09:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hunt Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_ED2A28E5-AEDC-4203-854F-9F4BEDF83041" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:18:29 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: "scim@ietf.org" To: Pamela Dingle References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [scim] April 7 Meetup Agenda X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 16:18:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_ED2A28E5-AEDC-4203-854F-9F4BEDF83041 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Regarding the discussion of the current draft proposals, the MV paging = draft was originally designed to facilitate paging of large groups. However, what I think is useful about the draft is it extends SCIM to = allow both filters and paging parameters on attribute qualifiers. It is handy if for example you want to return only specific value = instances of a CMVA. For example in PAM you could return only values of = a specific credential type. In the draft, there is an example returning = only work email addresses as a simple example. GET /Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646? attributes=3D*,emails[type eq \"work\"] In the normal SCIM protocol, a filters and paging params are used to = qualify which resources are returned. In this draft extension, filters = and paging params may be used to qualify which values returned. I mention this, because the draft may be of broader use then just group = paging. If there is interest, I am happy to keep working on it. Phil Hunt @independentid phil.hunt@independentid.com > On Apr 7, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Pamela Dingle = wrote: >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > Our agenda for today's bi-weekly meeting at 8am PT will start with a = review of the ietf scim PAM (privileged access management) draft as well = as to look at the spreadsheet that you all might remember from a = previous meetup. >=20 > Also - I believe I now have a calendar setup that can be exported to a = .ics file and therefore reliably imported by you all. That .ics link is = going into our github repo, which is also where our notes will live and = so we can start posting links to calendars, agendas, and notes with = ease.=20 >=20 > For now, here is the calendar link and also the teams link:=20 >=20 > Calendar ICS: = https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000= /25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/calendar.ics = > Calendar HTML: = https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000= /25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/calendar.ics = >=20 > Teams: Click here to join the meeting = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > scim mailing list > scim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim = --Apple-Mail=_ED2A28E5-AEDC-4203-854F-9F4BEDF83041 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Regarding the discussion of the current draft proposals, the = MV paging draft was originally designed to facilitate paging of large = groups.

However,= what I think is useful about the draft is it extends SCIM to allow both = filters and paging parameters on attribute qualifiers.

It is handy if for = example you want to return only specific value instances of a CMVA. =  For example in PAM you could return only values of a specific = credential type. In the draft, there is an example returning only work = email addresses as a simple example.

GET /Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646?
     attributes=3D*,emails[type eq \"work\"]

In the normal SCIM protocol, a filters and paging = params are used to qualify which resources are returned.  In this = draft extension, filters and paging params may be used to qualify which = values returned.

I = mention this, because the draft may be of broader use then just group = paging.  If there is interest, I am happy to keep working on it.

Phil Hunt
@independentid




On Apr 7, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Pamela Dingle <Pamela.Dingle=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

Hi all,

Our agenda for today's bi-weekly meeting at 8am PT = will start with a review of the ietf scim PAM (privileged access = management) draft as well as to look at the spreadsheet that you all = might remember from a previous meetup.

Also = - I believe I now have a calendar setup that can be exported to a .ics = file and therefore reliably imported by you all.  That .ics link is = going into our github repo, which is also where our notes will live and = so we can start posting links to calendars, agendas, and notes with = ease. 

For = now, here is the calendar link and also the teams link: 

Calendar ICS: https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000-0= 00000000000/25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/cale= ndar.ics
Calendar HTML: https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000-0= 00000000000/25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/cale= ndar.ics

Teams: Click = here to join the meeting

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Next meeting is April 21, 2= 021. Meeting Notes - 7 April 2021 Comment Github link for these notes: meetings/2021-04-07.md at main =B7 SCIM-Intere= st-Group/meetings (github.com) Agenda * Paul/Matt P go through SCIM-PAM draft * Matt D to go through the actions from previous group surveys (a sprea= dsheet we are calling the SCIM IG Interest List) SCIM = PAM ietf draft Summary * Paul/Matt note that they are not original authors and hope they do ju= stice to the original draft spec, with apologies and thanks to Kelly Grizzl= e, et al * Spec link: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-grizzle-scim-pam-ext-= 01 * Spec Github page: https://github.com/kelly-grizzle-sp/scim-pam * Presentation link: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qd6pewm= f_DXVydtg9siHeQvC5xhnJ4OmqEQcJzoyf9E/edit#slide=3Did.gc83ee66d31_0_265 * Usage: SCIM PAM is in active use in the SCIM PAM Sailpoint connector * Lots of SailPoint customers are using it already * Purpose: The draft helps IGA+PAM solutions to do two things together: * use SCIM to read Privileged Data * Use SCIM to read and modify the access rights to Privileged Data (= ACLs) * Paper Cuts * The draft needs a statement of purpose. The draft does 2 things bu= t nobody ever summarizes those things * Reading/writing ACLs is done in a very specific way - opportunity = for us as a group is to make this a more generalized standardized SCIM-esqu= e standard * Because there is no authorization in SCIM the draft had to buil= d that functionality * We have the opportunity to build that into SCIM core which w= ould make this draft much more concise * There is no SCIM concept of linking objects. * We have the opportunity to make that pattern more standardized * Linked objects is a generically useful concept that we could ma= ke easy * A way to canonically address the authority * Need some kind of way to designate who the canonical authori= ty is for an attribute * Difficult to determine when something has changed in SCIM * Notifications are a problem * Matt D would love to see a webhook-style change mechanism SCIM 2021= Interest List * Matt overviewed the items in the list - a combination of existing dra= fts (including the SCIM-PAM draft we just reviewed today) and also addition= al ideas * The tentative plan is * Matt to get the list into a format that we can collectively ite= rate on * We will make topics out of all the items in this meeting Persistent Questions for Future Meetings (or = to go to the group) * Is multi-value pagination a special case for groups only or a more generi= c concern? * Do we need to address only object pagination or is cursor pagination as i= mportant? 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= Meeting Notes - 7 April 2021
 Comment

Github link for these notes: meet=
ings/2021-04-07.md at main =B7 SCIM-Interest-Group/meetings (github.com)=0A=

Agenda

  • Paul/Matt P go through SCIM-PAM draft
  • Matt D to go through the actions from previous group surveys (a spreadsh= eet we are calling the SCIM IG Interest List)

SCIM PAM ietf draft Summary

  • Paul/Matt note that they are not original authors and hope they do justi= ce to the original draft spec, with apologies and thanks to Kelly Grizzle, = et al

  • Usage: SCIM PAM is in active use in the SCIM PAM Sailpoint connector

    • Lots of SailPoint customers are using it already

  • Purpose: The draft helps IGA+PAM solutions to do two things together:

    • use SCIM to read Privileged Data
    • Use SCIM to read and modify the access rights to Privileged Data (ACLs)<= /span>

  • Paper Cuts

    • The draft needs a statement of purpose. The draft does 2 things but nob= ody ever summarizes those things
    • Reading/writing ACLs is done in a very specific way - opportunity for u= s as a group is to make this a more generalized standardized SCIM-esque sta= ndard
      • Because there is no authorization in SCIM the draft had to build that fu= nctionality
        • We have the opportunity to build that into SCIM core which would make th= is draft much more concise
    • There is no SCIM concept of linking objects.
      • We have the opportunity to make that pattern more standardized
      • Linked objects is a generically useful concept that we could make easy
      • A way to canonically address the authority
        • Need some kind of way to designate who the canonical authority is for an= attribute
    • Difficult to determine when something has changed in SCIM
      • Notifications are a problem
        • Matt D would love to see a webhook-style change mechanism

    SCIM 2021 Interest List

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Except for the case of a multiple value attribute having many (>100) values= , I don't think there is much utility being able to specify a subset of val= ues in a filter. In your email example, it would be very practical for the= client to receive all email values. Once received, it is easy for the cli= ent to select the "work" emails (if this is all that the client is interest= ed in). The compelling case for multi-valued paging is for retrieving values of Gro= up.members (members of a group) and User.groups (groups a user is a member = of). It is compelling because these are the only attributes in the base SC= IM schema that are likely to have hundreds of values. Fortunately, is still possible to handle the most common group memberships = use cases without needing multi-valued pagination. The following is a list= of use cases for group memberships. I have provided the SCIMv2 request th= at would satisfy the use case without the need for multi-valued attribute p= agination or any changes to the SCIM v2 spec. (I have also included the eq= uivalent Microsoft Graph query for each use case to show how the SCIMv2 req= uest would translate to another familiar API): Use Case #1: I have the group id "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49", I= want to get all the members of the group (even if there are many paged res= ults): Solution: Use the SCIMv2 /user resource: GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/user?filter=3Dgroups.value+eq+ffffffff-= 1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49 Corresponding Microsoft Graph API: GET https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/groups/ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95= f3a49/members Use Case #2: I have the user id "aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" and= I want to get all the groups that the user is a member of (even if there a= re many paged results): Solution: Use the SCIMv2 /group resource: GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/group?filter=3Dmembers.value+eq+aaaaaaa= a-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed Corresponding Microsoft Graph API: GET https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/users/aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1= a7ed/transitiveMemberOf Note that that the SCIMv2 solution to use cases #1 and #2 (above) may have = many results. However, the results are *objects* that are paged using exist= ing SCIM object pagination (RFC 7644 3.4.2.4). No pagination of multiple v= alues is necessary. Use Case #3: I have the user id "aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" and= I want to check if the user is a member of group with id "ffffffff-1111-49= f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49" Solution: Use the SCIMv2 /user or /group resource with a compound filter: GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/user?filter=3Did+eq+aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-= 8e52-bb1921f1a7ed+and+(groups.value+eq+ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49= ) -OR- GET https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/group?filter=3Did+eq+ffffffff-2222-426= 3-abd9-878238d6f7b2+and+(users.value+eq+ aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7= ed) Corresponding Microsoft Graph API: POST https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/users/aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f= 1a7ed/checkMemberGroups { "groupIds": [ "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49" ] } Use Case #4: I have the group with id "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a4= 9" I want to check if the group has a member with user id "aaaaaaaa-1111-43= 06-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" Solution: This is essentially the same as use case #3 above (just worded f= rom the group perspective). LDAP has taught us that representing group membership as a multi-valued att= ribute makes common use cases difficult. As a result, new APIs (like Azur= e Graph) represent group memberships with separate resource types. Even t= hough it is possible to handle common use cases with SCIM filters (describe= d in use cases above), it might still be useful to investigate the addition= of two new SCIM resource types (as an extension): a "GroupMembers" and a "= UserGroups". These would be used in the following way (same use cases as a= bove): Get me the members of a group (returns User objects): GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/GroupMembers/ Get me groups a user is a member of (returns Group objects) GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/UserGroups/ Is user a member of a group? GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/GroupMembers/?filter=3D id+eq+= GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/UserGroups/?filter=3D id+eq+ -- Matt Peterson matt.peterson@quest.com From: scim On Behalf Of Phil Hunt Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:18 AM To: Pamela Dingle Cc: scim@ietf.org Subject: Re: [scim] April 7 Meetup Agenda CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not fol= low guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you recognize the sen= der and know the content is safe. Regarding the discussion of the current draft proposals, the MV paging draf= t was originally designed to facilitate paging of large groups. However, what I think is useful about the draft is it extends SCIM to allow= both filters and paging parameters on attribute qualifiers. It is handy if for example you want to return only specific value instances= of a CMVA. For example in PAM you could return only values of a specific = credential type. In the draft, there is an example returning only work emai= l addresses as a simple example. GET /Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646? attributes=3D*,emails[type eq \"work\"] In the normal SCIM protocol, a filters and paging params are used to qualif= y which resources are returned. In this draft extension, filters and pagin= g params may be used to qualify which values returned. I mention this, because the draft may be of broader use then just group pag= ing. If there is interest, I am happy to keep working on it. Phil Hunt @independentid phil.hunt@independentid.com On Apr 7, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Pamela Dingle > wrot= e: Hi all, Our agenda for today's bi-weekly meeting at 8am PT will start with a review= of the ietf scim PAM (privileged access management) draft as well as to lo= ok at the spreadsheet that you all might remember from a previous meetup. Also - I believe I now have a calendar setup that can be exported to a .ics= file and therefore reliably imported by you all. That .ics link is going = into our github repo, which is also where our notes will live and so we can= start posting links to calendars, agendas, and notes with ease. For now, here is the calendar link and also the teams link: Calendar ICS: https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000= -000000000000/25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/cal= endar.ics Calendar HTML: https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-000= 0-000000000000/25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/ca= lendar.ics Teams: Click here to join the meeting _______________________________________________ scim mailing list scim@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim --_000_MWHPR19MB0957340F6C61EC42ACE0AC75E1759MWHPR19MB0957namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Except for the case of a multiple value attribute ha= ving many (>100) values, I don’t think there is much utility being= able to specify a subset of values in a filter.  In your email exampl= e, it would be very practical for the client to receive all email values.  Once received, it is easy for the client t= o select the “work” emails (if this is all that the client is i= nterested in).

 

The compelling case for multi-valued paging is for r= etrieving values of Group.members (members of a group) and User.groups (gro= ups a user is a member of).  It is compelling because these are the on= ly attributes in the base SCIM schema that are likely to have hundreds of values.

 

Fortunately, is still possible to handle the most co= mmon group memberships use cases without needing multi-valued pagination.&n= bsp; The following is a list of use cases for group memberships.  I ha= ve provided the SCIMv2 request that would satisfy the use case without the need for multi-valued attribute pagination or any= changes to the SCIM v2 spec.  (I have also included the equivalent Mi= crosoft Graph query for each use case to show how the SCIMv2 request would = translate to another familiar API):

 

Use Case #1:  I have the group id "= ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49", I want to get all the members o= f the group (even if there are many paged results):

 

Solution: Use the SCIMv2&= nbsp; /user resource:

GET https://scimserver.my= domain.com/user?filter=3Dgroups.value+eq+ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a= 49

 

Corresponding Microsoft G= raph API:

GET https://graph.microso= ft.com/v1.0/groups/ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49/members<= /p>

 

Use Case #2:  I have the user id "a= aaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" and I want to get all the groups = that the user is a member of (even if there are many paged results):

 

Solution: Use the SCIMv2&= nbsp; /group resource:

GET https://scimserver.my= domain.com/group?filter=3Dmembers.value+eq+aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1= a7ed

 

Corresponding Microsoft G= raph API:

GET https://graph.microso= ft.com/v1.0/users/aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed/transitiveMemberOf

 

 

Note that that the SCIMv2 solution to use cases #1 a= nd #2 (above) may have many results. However, the results are *objects* that are paged using existing SCIM object pagination (RFC 7644 3.4.2.4)= .  No pagination of multiple values is necessary.

 

 

Use Case #3:  I have the user id "a= aaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" and I want to check if the user i= s a member of group with id "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49"= ;

 

Solution: Use the SCIMv2 = /user or /group resource with a compound filter:

GET https://scimserver.my= domain.com/user?filter=3Did+eq+aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed+and+(gr= oups.value+eq+ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49)

 

-OR-

 

GET https://graph.microso= ft.com/v1.0/group?filter=3Did+eq+ffffffff-2222-4263-abd9-878238d6f7b2+and+(= users.value+eq+ aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed)

 

Corresponding Microsoft G= raph API:

POST https://graph.micros= oft.com/v1.0/users/aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed/checkMemberGroups

{ "groupIds": [= "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49" ] }

 

Use Case #4:  I have the group with id &= quot;ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49" I want to check if the grou= p has a member with user id "aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed"= ;

 

Solution:  This is e= ssentially the same as use case #3 above (just worded from the group perspe= ctive).

 

 

LDAP has taught us that representing group membershi= p as a multi-valued attribute makes common use cases difficult.  As a = result, new  APIs (like Azure Graph) represent group memberships with = separate resource types.   Even though it is possible to handle common use cases with SCIM filters (described in use ca= ses above), it might still be useful to investigate the addition of two new= SCIM resource types (as an extension): a “GroupMembers” and a = “UserGroups”.  These would be used in the following way (same use cases as above):

 

Get me the members of a g= roup (returns User objects):

GET https://scimserver.my= domain.com/GroupMembers/<groupId>

 

Get me groups a user is a= member of (returns Group objects)

GET https://scimserver.my= domain.com/UserGroups/<userId>

 

Is user a member of a gro= up?

GET https://scimserver.my= domain.com/GroupMembers/<groupId>?filter=3D id+eq+<userI= d>

GET https://scimserver.my= domain.com/UserGroups/<userId>?filter=3D id+eq+<groupId&= gt;

 

--

Matt Peterson

matt.peterson@quest.com

 

 

 

From: scim <scim-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Phil Hunt
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:18 AM
To: Pamela Dingle <Pamela.Dingle=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org= >
Cc: scim@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [scim] April 7 Meetup Agenda

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#9C6500">CAUTION: This email originated from outside of t= he organization. Do not follow guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know = the content is safe.

 

Regarding the discussion of the current draft propos= als, the MV paging draft was originally designed to facilitate paging of la= rge groups.

 

However, what I think is useful about the draft is i= t extends SCIM to allow both filters and paging parameters on attribute qua= lifiers.

 

It is handy if for example you want to return only s= pecific value instances of a CMVA.  For example in PAM you could retur= n only values of a specific credential type. In the draft, there is an exam= ple returning only work email addresses as a simple example.

 
GET /Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646?
     attributes=3D*,em=
ails[type eq \"work\"]

 

In the normal SCIM protocol, a filters and paging pa= rams are used to qualify which resources are returned.  In this draft = extension, filters and paging params may be used to qualify which values re= turned.

 

I mention this, because the draft may be of broader = use then just group paging.  If there is interest, I am happy to keep = working on it.

 



 

Hi all,<= /span>

 

Our agenda for toda= y's bi-weekly meeting at 8am PT will start with a review of the ietf scim P= AM (privileged access management) draft as well as to look at the spreadshe= et that you all might remember from a previous meetup.

 

Also - I believe I = now have a calendar setup that can be exported to a .ics file and therefore= reliably imported by you all.  That .ics link is going into our githu= b repo, which is also where our notes will live and so we can start posting links to calendars, agendas, and notes wi= th ease. 

 

For now, here is th= e calendar link and also the teams link: 

 

 

Teams: = Click here to join the meeting<= /o:p>


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[2001:569:7a71:1d00:fc2d:3188:3372:5138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fr8sm2499073pjb.48.2021.04.07.18.17.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hunt Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0BD980E8-CA6E-43AF-B8EA-3022FF0B1D93" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:17:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Pamela Dingle , "scim@ietf.org" To: "Matt Peterson (mpeterso)" References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [scim] April 7 Meetup Agenda X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 01:17:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0BD980E8-CA6E-43AF-B8EA-3022FF0B1D93 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Matt +1 Phil Hunt @independentid phil.hunt@independentid.com > On Apr 7, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Matt Peterson (mpeterso) = wrote: >=20 > Except for the case of a multiple value attribute having many (>100) = values, I don=E2=80=99t think there is much utility being able to = specify a subset of values in a filter. In your email example, it would = be very practical for the client to receive all email values. Once = received, it is easy for the client to select the =E2=80=9Cwork=E2=80=9D = emails (if this is all that the client is interested in). > =20 > The compelling case for multi-valued paging is for retrieving values = of Group.members (members of a group) and User.groups (groups a user is = a member of). It is compelling because these are the only attributes in = the base SCIM schema that are likely to have hundreds of values.=20 > =20 > Fortunately, is still possible to handle the most common group = memberships use cases without needing multi-valued pagination. The = following is a list of use cases for group memberships. I have provided = the SCIMv2 request that would satisfy the use case without the need for = multi-valued attribute pagination or any changes to the SCIM v2 spec. = (I have also included the equivalent Microsoft Graph query for each use = case to show how the SCIMv2 request would translate to another familiar = API): > =20 > Use Case #1: I have the group id = "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49", I want to get all the members of = the group (even if there are many paged results): > =20 > Solution: Use the SCIMv2 /user resource: > GET = https://scimserver.mydomain.com/user?filter=3Dgroups.value+eq+ffffffff-111= 1-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49 = > =20 > Corresponding Microsoft Graph API: > GET = https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/groups/ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a= 49/members = > =20 > Use Case #2: I have the user id = "aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" and I want to get all the groups = that the user is a member of (even if there are many paged results): > =20 > Solution: Use the SCIMv2 /group resource: > GET = https://scimserver.mydomain.com/group?filter=3Dmembers.value+eq+aaaaaaaa-1= 111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed = > =20 > Corresponding Microsoft Graph API: > GET = https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/users/aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7e= d/transitiveMemberOf = > =20 > =20 > Note that that the SCIMv2 solution to use cases #1 and #2 (above) may = have many results. However, the results are *objects* that are paged = using existing SCIM object pagination (RFC 7644 3.4.2.4). No pagination = of multiple values is necessary. > =20 > =20 > Use Case #3: I have the user id = "aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" and I want to check if the user = is a member of group with id "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49" > =20 > Solution: Use the SCIMv2 /user or /group resource with a compound = filter: > GET = https://scimserver.mydomain.com/user?filter=3Did+eq+aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e5= 2-bb1921f1a7ed+and+(groups.value+eq+ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49) = > =20 > -OR- > =20 > GET = https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/group?filter=3Did+eq+ffffffff-2222-4263-a= bd9-878238d6f7b2+and+ = (users.value+eq+ = aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed) > =20 > Corresponding Microsoft Graph API: > POST = https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/users/aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7e= d/checkMemberGroups = > { "groupIds": [ "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49" ] } > =20 > Use Case #4: I have the group with id = "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49" I want to check if the group has = a member with user id "aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" > =20 > Solution: This is essentially the same as use case #3 above (just = worded from the group perspective). > =20 > =20 > LDAP has taught us that representing group membership as a = multi-valued attribute makes common use cases difficult. As a result, = new APIs (like Azure Graph) represent group memberships with separate = resource types. Even though it is possible to handle common use cases = with SCIM filters (described in use cases above), it might still be = useful to investigate the addition of two new SCIM resource types (as an = extension): a =E2=80=9CGroupMembers=E2=80=9D and a =E2=80=9CUserGroups=E2=80= =9D. These would be used in the following way (same use cases as = above): > =20 > Get me the members of a group (returns User objects): > GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/GroupMembers/ = = > =20 > Get me groups a user is a member of (returns Group objects) > GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/UserGroups/ = = > =20 > Is user a member of a group?=20 > GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/GroupMembers/ = = ?fil= ter=3D = = id+eq+ > GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/UserGroups/ = = ?filter= =3D = id+eq+ > =20 > -- > Matt Peterson > matt.peterson@quest.com > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: scim > On = Behalf Of Phil Hunt > Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:18 AM > To: Pamela Dingle > > Cc: scim@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [scim] April 7 Meetup Agenda > =20 > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do = not follow guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you = recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > =20 > Regarding the discussion of the current draft proposals, the MV paging = draft was originally designed to facilitate paging of large groups. > =20 > However, what I think is useful about the draft is it extends SCIM to = allow both filters and paging parameters on attribute qualifiers. > =20 > It is handy if for example you want to return only specific value = instances of a CMVA. For example in PAM you could return only values of = a specific credential type. In the draft, there is an example returning = only work email addresses as a simple example. > =20 > GET /Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646? > attributes=3D*,emails[type eq \"work\"] > =20 > In the normal SCIM protocol, a filters and paging params are used to = qualify which resources are returned. In this draft extension, filters = and paging params may be used to qualify which values returned. > =20 > I mention this, because the draft may be of broader use then just = group paging. If there is interest, I am happy to keep working on it. > =20 > Phil Hunt > @independentid > phil.hunt@independentid.com > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Apr 7, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Pamela Dingle = > wrote: > =20 > Hi all, > =20 > Our agenda for today's bi-weekly meeting at 8am PT will start with a = review of the ietf scim PAM (privileged access management) draft as well = as to look at the spreadsheet that you all might remember from a = previous meetup. > =20 > Also - I believe I now have a calendar setup that can be exported to a = .ics file and therefore reliably imported by you all. That .ics link is = going into our github repo, which is also where our notes will live and = so we can start posting links to calendars, agendas, and notes with = ease.=20 > =20 > For now, here is the calendar link and also the teams link:=20 > =20 > Calendar ICS: = https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000= /25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/calendar.ics = > Calendar HTML: = https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000= /25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/calendar.ics = > =20 > Teams: Click here to join the meeting = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > scim mailing list > scim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim = --Apple-Mail=_0BD980E8-CA6E-43AF-B8EA-3022FF0B1D93 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Matt

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On Apr 7, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Matt Peterson (mpeterso) <Matt.Peterson@oneidentity.com> wrote:

Except for the case of a multiple value = attribute having many (>100) values, I don=E2=80=99t think there is = much utility being able to specify a subset of values in a filter.  = In your email example, it would be very practical for the client to = receive all email values.  Once received, it is easy for the client = to select the =E2=80=9Cwork=E2=80=9D emails (if this is all that the = client is interested in).
 
The compelling case for = multi-valued paging is for retrieving values of Group.members (members = of a group) and User.groups (groups a user is a member of).  It is = compelling because these are the only attributes in the base SCIM schema = that are likely to have hundreds of values. 
 
Fortunately, is still = possible to handle the most common group memberships use cases without = needing multi-valued pagination.  The following is a list of use = cases for group memberships.  I have provided the SCIMv2 request = that would satisfy the use case without the need for multi-valued = attribute pagination or any changes to the SCIM v2 spec.  (I have = also included the equivalent Microsoft Graph query for each use case to = show how the SCIMv2 request would translate to another familiar = API):
 
Use Case = #1:  I have the group id = "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49", I want to get all the members of = the group (even if there are many paged results):
 
Solution: = Use the SCIMv2  /user resource:
GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/user?filter=3Dgroups.value+eq+f= fffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49
 
Corresponding Microsoft Graph API:
GET https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/groups/ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200= -2c8aa95f3a49/members
 
Use Case = #2:  I have the user id "aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" = and I want to get all the groups that the user is a member of (even if = there are many paged results):
 
Solution: Use the SCIMv2  /group = resource:
 
Corresponding Microsoft Graph API:
GET https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/users/aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-= bb1921f1a7ed/transitiveMemberOf
 
 
Note that that the SCIMv2 solution to use cases = #1 and #2 (above) may have many results. However, the results are *objects* that are paged using existing SCIM object = pagination (RFC 7644 3.4.2.4).  No pagination of multiple values is = necessary.
 
 
Use Case = #3:  I have the user id "aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed" = and I want to check if the user is a member of group with id = "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49"
 
Solution: Use the SCIMv2 /user or = /group resource with a compound filter:
GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/user?filter=3Did+eq+aaaaaaaa-11= 11-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed+and+(groups.value+eq+ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8= aa95f3a49)
 
-OR-
 
 
Corresponding Microsoft Graph API:
POST https://graph.microsoft.com/v1.0/users/aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-= bb1921f1a7ed/checkMemberGroups
{ "groupIds": [ = "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49" ] }
 
Use Case #4:  I have the = group with id "ffffffff-1111-49f5-b200-2c8aa95f3a49" I want to check if = the group has a member with user id = "aaaaaaaa-1111-4306-8e52-bb1921f1a7ed"
 
Solution:  This is essentially the = same as use case #3 above (just worded from the group perspective).
 
 
LDAP has taught us that = representing group membership as a multi-valued attribute makes common = use cases difficult.  As a result, new  APIs (like Azure = Graph) represent group memberships with separate resource types.  =  Even though it is possible to handle common use cases with SCIM = filters (described in use cases above), it might still be useful to = investigate the addition of two new SCIM resource types (as an = extension): a =E2=80=9CGroupMembers=E2=80=9D and a = =E2=80=9CUserGroups=E2=80=9D.  These would be used in the following = way (same use cases as above):
 
Get me the members of a group (returns = User objects):
 
Get me groups a user is a member of = (returns Group objects)
 
Is user a member of a group? 
GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/GroupMembers/<groupId>?filter=3D id+eq+<userId>
GET https://scimserver.mydomain.com/UserGroups/<userId>?filter=3D id+eq+<groupId>
 
--
Matt Peterson
matt.peterson@quest.com
 
 
 
From: scim <scim-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of Phil Hunt
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 = 10:18 AM
To: Pamela Dingle <Pamela.Dingle=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: scim@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [scim] April 7 Meetup = Agenda
 
CAUTION: This email = originated from outside of the organization. Do not follow guidance, = click links, or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and = know the content is safe.
 
Regarding the discussion = of the current draft proposals, the MV paging draft was originally = designed to facilitate paging of large groups.
 
However, what I think is useful about the draft is it extends = SCIM to allow both filters and paging parameters on attribute = qualifiers.
 
It is handy if for example you want to = return only specific value instances of a CMVA.  For example in PAM = you could return only values of a specific credential type. In the = draft, there is an example returning only work email addresses as a = simple example.
 
GET =
/Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646?
     attributes=3D*,emails[type =
eq \"work\"]
 
In the normal SCIM protocol, a filters and = paging params are used to qualify which resources are returned.  In = this draft extension, filters and paging params may be used to qualify = which values returned.
 
I mention this, because the draft may = be of broader use then just group paging.  If there is interest, I = am happy to keep working on it.
 
Phil Hunt
@independentid
phil.hunt@independentid.com
 

 



On = Apr 7, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Pamela Dingle <Pamela.Dingle=3D40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:
 
Hi = all,
 
Our = agenda for today's bi-weekly meeting at 8am PT will start with a review = of the ietf scim PAM (privileged access management) draft as well as to = look at the spreadsheet that you all might remember from a previous = meetup.
 
Also = - I believe I now have a calendar setup that can be exported to a .ics = file and therefore reliably imported by you all.  That .ics link is = going into our github repo, which is also where our notes will live and = so we can start posting links to calendars, agendas, and notes with = ease. 
 
For = now, here is the calendar link and also the teams link: 
 
Calendar ICS: https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000-0= 00000000000/25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/cale= ndar.ics
Calendar HTML: https://outlook.live.com/owa/calendar/00000000-0000-0000-0000-0= 00000000000/25ef962b-555f-4781-b533-bfe7be451be8/cid-95C8043F862EFECA/cale= ndar.ics
 
Teams: Click here to join the meeting

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've consolidated/edited the Interest List sent around by Darran Rolls last= summer. You can find it here: GitHub: https://github.com/SCIM-Interest-Group/wiki/blob/main/SCIM%202021%2= 0Interest%20List.md (read-only) HackMD: https://hackmd.io/@SCIM-Interest-Group/r1Tmu8iBd (edit to add your= self to any topic list, or add topics) I've also posted the Papercuts document that Darin McAdams (AWS) provided, = adding SailPoint's own items to consider. GitHub: https://github.com/SCIM-Interest-Group/wiki/blob/main/Papercuts.md = (read-only) HackMD: https://hackmd.io/@SCIM-Interest-Group/HkjNNGYVO (edit to add your = own challenges interpreting the spec or that your engineering teams have r= un into). Thanks, Matt Matt Domsch VP, Engineering Fellow matt.domsch@sailpoint.com www.sailpoint.com --_000_DM6PR04MB4604E3FAA93BA6916C959300F2709DM6PR04MB4604namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’ve consolidated/edited the Interest List sen= t around by Darran Rolls last summer.  You can find it here:

 

GitHub: https://github.com/SCIM-Interest-Group/wiki/blob/main/SCIM%202021%20Interes= t%20List.md (read-only)

HackMD: https://hackmd.io/@SCIM-Interest-Group/r1Tmu8iBd  (edit to add you= rself to any topic list, or add topics)

 

 

I’ve also posted the Papercuts document that D= arin McAdams (AWS) provided, adding SailPoint’s own items to consider= .

 

GitHub: https://github.com/SCIM-Interest-Group/wiki/blob/main/Papercuts.md (rea= d-only)

HackMD: https://hackmd.io/@SCIM-Interest-Group/HkjNNGYVO (edit to add your own = challenges interpreting the spec  or that your engineering teams have = run into).

 

 

Thanks,
Matt

 

Matt Domsch
VP, Engineering Fellow
= matt.domsch@sailpoint.com

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, Wednesday's meeting is in the middle of IIW and I was also unable to get a primary presenter. Did anyone have specific agenda items or should we skip the week so folks c= an attend IIW sessions? tim Tim Cappalli | @timcappalli [Microsoft logo] --_000_SJ0PR00MB1038CE1BF4E6432A16CD0FCD95499SJ0PR00MB1038namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all,

Wednesday's meeting is in the middle of IIW and I was also unable to get a primary presenter.

Did anyone have specific agenda items or should we skip the week so folks c= an attend IIW sessions?

tim


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been offline today. I would vote to cancel this week in favor of peo= ple attending IIW as I am also. Thanks, Matt ________________________________ From: scim on behalf of Tim Cappalli Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:24:23 PM To: scim@ietf.org Subject: [scim] Wednesday's interest group meeting Hey all, Wednesday's meeting is in the middle of IIW and I was also unable to get a= primary presenter. Did anyone have specific agenda items or should we skip the week so folks c= an attend IIW sessions? tim Tim Cappalli | @timcappalli [Microsoft logo] --_000_DM6PR04MB4604B8B4DC9E1A0DC5BAF942F2499DM6PR04MB4604namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been offline today. I would vote to cancel this week in favor of peo= ple attending IIW as I am also.

Thanks,
Matt
From: scim <scim-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Tim Cappalli <Tim.Cappalli=3D40microsoft.com@= dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:24:23 PM
To: scim@ietf.org <scim@ietf.org>
Subject: [scim] Wednesday's interest group meeting
 
Hey all,

Wednesday's meeting is in the middle of IIW and I was also unable to get a primary presenter.

Did anyone have specific agenda items or should we skip the week so folks c= an attend IIW sessions?

tim


 Tim Cappalli |<= span> @timcappalli

3D"Microsoft
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[2001:569:7a71:1d00:dcd6:88b7:c2bd:63e5]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z17sm1193172pjn.47.2021.04.19.22.54.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Apr 2021 22:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5A95E631-C9A6-4467-972A-E5B334743B14 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Phillip Hunt Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 22:54:07 -0700 Message-Id: <611AB31D-B84C-46A5-BC7A-B2A4149556E1@independentid.com> References: Cc: scim@ietf.org, Tim Cappalli In-Reply-To: To: Matt Domsch X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18D70) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [scim] Wednesday's interest group meeting X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 05:54:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5A95E631-C9A6-4467-972A-E5B334743B14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok with me. It seems I can=E2=80=99t make this weeks call either.=20 Regards Phil > On Apr 19, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > I have been offline today. I would vote to cancel this week in favor of pe= ople attending IIW as I am also. >=20 > Thanks, > Matt > From: scim on behalf of Tim Cappalli > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:24:23 PM > To: scim@ietf.org > Subject: [scim] Wednesday's interest group meeting > =20 > Hey all, >=20 > Wednesday's meeting is in the middle of IIW and I was also unable to get a= primary presenter. >=20 > Did anyone have specific agenda items or should we skip the week so folks c= an attend IIW sessions? >=20 > tim >=20 >=20 > Tim Cappalli | @timcappalli >=20 > _______________________________________________ > scim mailing list > scim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim --Apple-Mail-5A95E631-C9A6-4467-972A-E5B334743B14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok with me. It seems I can=E2=80=99t make t= his weeks call either. 

Regards

Phil

On Apr 19, 2021= , at 12:50 PM, Matt Domsch <matt.domsch=3D40sailpoint.com@dmarc.ietf.org&= gt; wrote:

=EF=BB=BF =
I have been offline today. I would vote to cancel this week in favor of peop= le attending IIW as I am also.

Thanks,
Matt
From: scim <scim-bounces@i= etf.org> on behalf of Tim Cappalli <Tim.Cappalli=3D40microsoft.com@dma= rc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:24:23 PM
To: scim@ietf.org <scim@ietf.org>
Subject: [scim] Wednesday's interest group meeting
 
Hey all,

Wednesday's meeting is in the middle of IIW and I was also unable to get a primary presenter.

Did anyone have specific agenda items or should we skip the week so folks ca= n attend IIW sessions?

tim


 Tim Cappalli |&= nbsp;= @timcappalli

3D"Microsoft
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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Based on the feedback, I'm going to cancel tomorrow's browser interactions = special topics call so folks can attend IIW. The next meeting will be on 5/= 5 at 3PM UTC tim Tim Cappalli | @timcappalli [Microsoft logo] --_000_MW4PR00MB10288368C927E0080F6A6A3695489MW4PR00MB1028namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

Based on the feedback, I'm going to cancel tomorrow's browser interactions= special topics call so folks can attend IIW. The next meeting will be on 5= /5 at 3PM UTC

tim


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