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[2001:569:7316:ae00:d1f3:269a:13ec:da82]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r19-20020a17090aa09300b001bc5fb5886asm3033279pjp.5.2022.03.01.16.48.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Mar 2022 16:48:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-C5DE7B21-1272-4C87-ADD7-DF543839BA31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Phillip Hunt Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 16:48:36 -0800 Message-Id: References: Cc: SCIM WG In-Reply-To: To: "Matt Peterson (mpeterso)" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19D52) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [scim] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-scim-events-00.txt X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 00:48:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail-C5DE7B21-1272-4C87-ADD7-DF543839BA31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt Thanks for your feedback. Regarding your feedback I would refer you to the S= SEF framework that Nancy mentioned.=20 https://sharedsignals.guide/ The OpenId SSEF community is dealing with feed management. =20 Phil > On Mar 1, 2022, at 3:20 PM, Matt Peterson (mpeterso) wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Phil, > =20 > I finally found time today to review draft-hunt-scim-events-00.=20 > =20 > I am happy that this draft addresses two very common use cases that the dr= aft labels: =E2=80=9Ccoordinated provisioning=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cdomain-b= ased replication=E2=80=9D. I have been strong proponent of these use cases i= n meetings and on this list, so I wanted to emphasize for others. If you ar= e interested in keeping your SCIM Client up to date with changes happening o= n the SCIM Service Provider, YOU SHOULD READ THIS DRAFT. =F0=9F=98=8A > =20 > I have created a short list of nit-picks (typos, rewords, etc) that I will= send to you privately. In addition, I have a few initial comments for the= list since there may be others that have similar thoughts when they read th= e draft:=20 > =20 > For point-to-point delivery over HTTP Push-based SET (RFC 8935), the draft= does not describe the SCIM mechanism by which the Event Provider (SCIM Serv= ice Provider) determines the HTTP endpoint to use when transmitting to the E= vent Receiver. =20 > For point-to-point delivery over HTTP Poll-based SET (RFC8936), the draft d= oes not describe the SCIM mechanism for =E2=80=9Cpre-arranging polling endpo= int to check for SETs that are available. > The draft does not describe ServiceProviderConfig schema that would allow a= SCIM Service Provider=E2=80=99s support for SCIM Events to be discovered > =20 > Thoughts? > =20 > -- > Matt Peterson > =20 > From: scim On Behalf Of Phillip Hunt > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 2:49 PM > To: SCIM WG > Subject: Re: [scim] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-scim-events-00= .txt > =20 > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not fo= llow guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you recognize the sen= der and know the content is safe. > =20 > Hi SCIMers! > =20 > As promised, I have submitted the draft proposal for Co-ordinated Events b= etween SCIM Providers (called SCIM Profile for Security Event Tokens). > =20 > The draft is a bit long, but that is primarily because I have included a n= umber of diagrams and examples as well as use case (delivery mode) discussio= n. The actual implementation specification is relatively short. > =20 > The draft leverages the Securtiy Event Token spec set and defines events f= or SCIM that can be used for: > * Feed control (what resources are part of an event feed) > * HTTP Async Request completion messages > * Security signals > * Co-ordinated cross-domain provisioning and domain based replication. > =20 > Apologies, the draft has a few =E2=80=9CTODOs". Though I have included sev= eral privacy and security considerations in the content, I still need to com= plete the separate sections. As an editor introducing a brand new specificat= ion, I prefer to do write these sections when there is a rudimentary consens= us and the basic approach has crystalized. I plan to complete this before ad= option as a possible working group draft. > =20 > There is also a section on event processing logic.I feel this too needs so= me prior requirements discussion as we may need to refine scenarios. It coul= d also be argued that processing logic is up to the implementer and not nece= ssary for inter-op.=20 > =20 > One item that is out of scope for this draft is =E2=80=9Cbootstrap=E2=80=9D= and =E2=80=9Crecovery=E2=80=9D for SCIM Service Providers. I=E2=80=99m not s= ure this content belongs in this draft. Obviously if one is setting up a new= replica node, you have to have a method for initial transfer. I would be ha= ppy to contribute to, or help write such a draft. It might not need to be no= rmative but more of a best practice draft. > =20 > Finally, it is my hope that this draft eliminates much (or all) of the sta= ted requests I have heard for cursor-based paging. The idea of event proces= sing is to prevent the repeated need for full system transfers (via paged ge= ts) by dealing with events as they occur once two or more systems are runnin= g based on a bulk load. The approach of using =E2=80=9Ccall-backs=E2=80=9D a= lso helps to enforce data access and disclosure restrictions that might not o= therwise be possible in cursor-based approaches. > =20 > Chairs=E2=80=A6obviously I would like to discuss this at the next IETF mee= ting in March. > =20 > Phillip Hunt > @independentid > phil.hunt@independentid.com > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Begin forwarded message: > =20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hunt-scim-events-00.txt > Date: February 13, 2022 at 1:29:45 PM PST > To: "Phil Hunt" , "Phillip Hunt" > =20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-hunt-scim-events-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Phil Hunt and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-hunt-scim-events > Revision: 00 > Title: SCIM Profile for Security Event Tokens > Document date: 2022-02-13 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 27 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-hunt-scim-events-00.= txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hunt-scim-events/ > Html: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-hunt-scim-events-00.= html > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hunt-scim-even= ts >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > This specification profiles the Security Event Token specification, > to define a set of events for SCIM Protocol servers that can be used > for asynchronous transaction confirmations, replication, cross-domain > provisioning co-ordination, and security signals. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-C5DE7B21-1272-4C87-ADD7-DF543839BA31 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt

Thanks for your fee= dback.  Regarding your feedback I would refer you to the SSEF framework= that Nancy mentioned. 


The OpenId SSEF community is dealing with feed management.  

Phil

On M= ar 1, 2022, at 3:20 PM, Matt Peterson (mpeterso) <Matt.Peterson@oneidenti= ty.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Hi Phil,

 

I finally found time today to review draft-hunt-scim-= events-00. 

 

I am happy that this draft addresses two very common u= se cases that the draft labels: =E2=80=9Ccoordinated provisioning=E2=80=9D a= nd =E2=80=9Cdomain-based replication=E2=80=9D.  I have been strong prop= onent of these use cases in meetings and on this list, so I wanted to emphasize for others.  If you are interested in keeping your SCIM C= lient up to date with changes happening on the SCIM Service Provider, YOU SH= OULD READ THIS DRAFT. =F0=9F=98=8A=

 

I have created a short list of nit-picks (typos, rewo= rds, etc) that I will send to you privately.   In addition, I have= a few initial comments for the list since there may be others that have sim= ilar thoughts when they read the draft: 

 

  1. For point-to-point delivery over HTTP Push-based SET (RFC 8935), the dr= aft does not describe the SCIM mechanism by which the Event Provider (SCIM S= ervice Provider) determines the HTTP endpoint to use when transmitting to the Event Receiver.   <= /o:p>
  2. For point-to-point delivery over HTTP Poll-based SET (RFC8936= ), the draft does not describe the SCIM mechanism for =E2=80=9Cpre-arranging= polling endpoint to check for SETs that are available.
  3. = The draft does not describe ServiceProviderConfig schema that would allow a S= CIM Service Provider=E2=80=99s support for SCIM Events to be discovered=

 

Thoughts?

 

--

Matt Peterson

 

From: scim <scim-bounces@ietf.org> On= Behalf Of Phillip Hunt
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2022 2:49 PM
To: SCIM WG <scim@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [scim] New Version Notification for draft-hunt-scim-even= ts-00.txt

 

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the or= ganization. Do not follow guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know t= he content is safe.

 

Hi SCIMers!

 

As promised, I have submitted the draft proposal for C= o-ordinated Events between SCIM Providers (called SCIM Profile for Security E= vent Tokens).

 

The draft is a bit long, but that is primarily becaus= e I have included a number of diagrams and examples as well as use case (del= ivery mode) discussion. The actual implementation specification is relativel= y short.

 

The draft leverages the Securtiy Event Token spec set= and defines events for SCIM that can be used for:

* Feed control (what resources are part of an event f= eed)

* HTTP Async Request completion messages

* Security signals

* Co-ordinated cross-domain provisioning and domain b= ased replication.

 

Apologies, the draft has a few =E2=80=9CTODOs". Thoug= h I have included several privacy and security considerations in the content= , I still need to complete the separate sections. As an editor introducing a= brand new specification, I prefer to do write these sections when there is a rudimentary consensus and the basic ap= proach has crystalized. I plan to complete this before adoption as a possibl= e working group draft.

 

There is also a section on event processing logic.I f= eel this too needs some prior requirements discussion as we may need to refi= ne scenarios. It could also be argued that processing logic is up to the imp= lementer and not necessary for inter-op. 

 

One item that is out of scope for this draft is =E2=80= =9Cbootstrap=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Crecovery=E2=80=9D for SCIM Service Provid= ers. I=E2=80=99m not sure this content belongs in this draft. Obviously if o= ne is setting up a new replica node, you have to have a method for initial transfer. I would be happy to contribute to, or help write such a draft. It= might not need to be normative but more of a best practice draft.

 

Finally, it is my hope that this draft eliminates muc= h (or all) of the stated requests I have heard for cursor-based paging. &nbs= p;The idea of event processing is to prevent the repeated need for full syst= em transfers (via paged gets) by dealing with events as they occur once two or more systems are running based on a b= ulk load.  The approach of using =E2=80=9Ccall-backs=E2=80=9D also help= s to enforce data access and disclosure restrictions that might not otherwis= e be possible in cursor-based approaches.

 

Chairs=E2=80=A6obviously I would like to discuss this= at the next IETF meeting in March.

 

Phillip Hunt

@independentid=

 <= /p>

 



Begin forwarded message:

 

Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hunt-scim-events-00.t= xt

Date: February 13= , 2022 at 1:29:45 PM PST

To: "Phil Hunt"= <phil.hunt@independentid.= com>, "Phillip Hunt" <phil.hunt@independentid.com>

 


A new version of I-D, draft-hunt-scim-events-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Phil Hunt and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-hunt-scim-events
Revision: 00
Title: SCIM Profile for Security Event= Tokens
Document date: 2022-02-13
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 27
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-hunt-scim-events-00.txt
Status:         https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/doc/draft-hunt-scim-events/
Html:           h= ttps://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-hunt-scim-events-00.html
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/html/draft-hunt-scim-events


Abstract:
  This specification profiles the Security Event Token specificati= on,
  to define a set of events for SCIM Protocol servers that can be u= sed
  for asynchronous transaction confirmations, replication, cross-d= omain
  provisioning co-ordination, and security signals.




The IETF Secretariat

 

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These have = been corrected in the 01 individual draft submission. 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FYI, I = noticed a couple of dumb typos in the example figures. These have been = corrected in the 01 individual draft submission.

Phillip Hunt
@independentid




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To: = "Phil Hunt" <phil.hunt@independentid.com>, "Phillip Hunt" <phil.hunt@independentid.com>

A new version of I-D, draft-hunt-scim-events-01.txt
has been successfully submitted by Phil Hunt and posted to = the
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Name: = draft-hunt-scim-events
Revision: 01
Title:= = SCIM Profile for Security Event Tokens
Document = date: = 2022-03-03
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 27
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-hunt-scim-events-01.txt
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Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hunt-scim-events
Diff: =           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-hunt-scim-events-01

Abstract:
=   This specification profiles the Security Event Token = specification,
  to define a set of events for = SCIM Protocol servers that can be used
  for = asynchronous transaction confirmations, replication, cross-domain
  provisioning co-ordination, and security = signals.




The IETF Secretariat



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Schema Extension X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:46:55 -0000 Hello, We are implementing SCIM protocol in one of our services, and in order t= o add some new attributes we need a new schema such as:=20 =1B$B!H=1B(Burn:ietf:params:scim:schemas:extension:nec:ope:2.0:User= =1B$B!I=1B(B. According to RFC7643 10.3. and scim mailing list archives, I think we ne= ed to register a new schema such as above. Is it correct that we need to s= end a SCIM schema registration template to this mailing list (scim(at)ietf.= org) to register the new schema? Regards, Toshiyuki Kataoka From nobody Thu Mar 24 16:19:37 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: scim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: scim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FA93A0C40 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:19:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJcRe06UamLP for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2084E3A0DCF for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 499) id 8B55AF0E5F; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:19:18 -0700 (PDT) To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org From: RFC Errata System Cc: phil.hunt@yahoo.com, phil.hunt@yahoo.com, kelly.grizzle@sailpoint.com, morteza.ansari@cisco.com, erik.wahlstrom@nexusgroup.com, cmortimore@salesforce.com, scim@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20220324231918.8B55AF0E5F@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [scim] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC7644 (6893) X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 23:19:25 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7644, "System for Cross-domain Identity Management: Protocol". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6893 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Phil Hunt Section: 7.5.2 Original Text ------------- HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden { "schemas": ["urn:ietf:params:scim:api:messages:2.0:Error"], "detail": "Query filter involving 'name' is restricted or confidential", "scimType": "sensitive", "status": "404" } Corrected Text -------------- HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden { "schemas": ["urn:ietf:params:scim:api:messages:2.0:Error"], "detail": "Query filter involving 'name' is restricted or confidential", "scimType": "sensitive", "status": "403" } Notes ----- The error "status" value in the figure is wrong. It should be "403", consistent with the normative text and the HTTP Status at the start of the figure. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7644 (draft-ietf-scim-api-19) -------------------------------------- Title : System for Cross-domain Identity Management: Protocol Publication Date : September 2015 Author(s) : P. Hunt, Ed., K. Grizzle, M. Ansari, E. Wahlstroem, C. 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list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 19:06:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2832C0FC-BB07-4D88-9A9B-421A30DED48C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes. At the end of the current rfc7643 there is an IANA registration process= described. IANA submitted specs are sent to subject matter experts to revie= w for conflicts etc. When complete, your schema uri is registered with IANA= for anyone to look up.=20 As Kelly mentions if you don=E2=80=99t intend wide use, you strictly don=E2=80= =99t need to register.=20 It is a good idea to bring directly to scim wg if there is substantial overl= ap and/or widely used claims. For example i think the group will be discussi= ng new authenticator extensions and device/iot schemas going forwards based o= n discussions at this week=E2=80=99s WG meeting.=20 Phil > On Mar 25, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Kelly Grizzle wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > If you intend it to be a schema that is standardized and shared beyond you= r organization, then you can register it. Otherwise, it is not a requiremen= t. > =20 > From: scim on behalf of "KATAOKA TOSHIYUKI(=E7=89=87= =E5=B2=A1=E3=80=80=E4=BF=8A=E5=B9=B8)" > Date: Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 9:47 AM > To: "scim@ietf.org" > Subject: [scim] Registering SCIM Schema Extension > =20 > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is =46rom an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > Hello, > =20 > We are implementing SCIM protocol in one of our services, and in order t= o add some new attributes we need a new schema such as:=20 > =E2=80=9Curn:ietf:params:scim:schemas:extension:nec:ope:2.0:User=E2=80= =9D. > According to RFC7643 10.3. and scim mailing list archives, I think we n= eed to register a new schema such as above. Is it correct that we need to s= end a SCIM schema registration template to this mailing list (scim(at)ietf.o= rg) to register the new schema? > =20 > Regards, > Toshiyuki Kataoka > =20 > _______________________________________________ > scim mailing list > scim@ietf.org > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim__;!= !MsNKLpFGsw!fTbna2L1T2uOxL2iNP12YIvtQbJVf03pZvq768wTTnv9pXl9orLo_7FZR7-_0aef= OkHnTuU$=20 > _______________________________________________ > scim mailing list > scim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim --Apple-Mail-2832C0FC-BB07-4D88-9A9B-421A30DED48C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes. At the end of the current rfc7643 ther= e is an IANA registration process described. IANA submitted specs are sent t= o subject matter experts to review for conflicts etc.  When complete, y= our schema uri is registered with IANA for anyone to look up. 

=
As Kelly mentions if you don=E2=80=99t intend wide use, you stric= tly don=E2=80=99t need to register. 

It is a g= ood idea to bring directly to scim wg if there is substantial overlap and/or= widely used claims. For example i think the group will be discussing new au= thenticator extensions and device/iot schemas going forwards based on discus= sions at this week=E2=80=99s WG meeting. 

= Phil

On Mar 25, 2022, at= 11:43 AM, Kelly Grizzle <kelly.grizzle=3D40sailpoint.com@dmarc.ietf.org&= gt; wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

If you intend it to be a schema that is standardized a= nd shared beyond your organization, then you can register it.  Otherwis= e, it is not a requirement.

 

From:= scim <scim-bounc= es@ietf.org> on behalf of "KATAOKA TOSHIYUKI(=E7=89=87=E5=B2=A1= =E3=80=80=E4=BF=8A=E5=B9=B8)" <toshikataoka@nec.com>
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 9:47 AM
To: "scim@ietf.org" <scim@ietf.org>
Subject: [scim] Registering SCIM Schema Extension

 

Hello, We are implementing SCIM protocol in one of our= services, and in order to add some new attributes we need a new schema such= as: =E2=80=9Curn:ietf:params:scim:schemas:extension:nec:ope:2.0:User=E2=80=9D= . According to RFC7643 10.3. and scim mailing list ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart

This Message Is =46rom an External Sender

This message came from outside your organization.

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Hello,
 
   We are implementing SCIM protocol in one of our services, an=
d in order to add some new attributes we need a new schema such as: 
      =E2=80=9Curn:ietf:params:scim:schemas=
:extension:nec:ope:2.0:User=E2=80=9D.
   According to RFC7643 10.3. and scim mailing list archives, I=
 think we need to register a new schema such as above.  Is it correct t=
hat we need to send a SCIM schema registration template to this mailing list=
 (scim(at)ietf.org) to register the new schema?
 
Regards,
Toshiyuki Kataoka
 
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Thu, 31 Mar 2022 06:35:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: rafael Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:35:18 -0300 Message-ID: To: scim@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [scim] Question about the field meta on ...core:2.0:Schema X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:35:44 -0000 Hi, Good Morning. I=E2=80=99m developing a SCIM compliant server and I found something maybe ambiguous on RFC 7643. As we can find in section 3.1 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7643#section-3.1 Each SCIM resource (Users, Groups, etc.) includes the following common attributes. With the exception of the "ServiceProviderConfig" and "ResourceType" server discovery endpoints and their associated resources But the RFC has the Schema Definition Schema as a discovery endpoint too (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7643#section-10.4) and the paragraph above does not exempt the Schema from having the meta field. On the other hand, in section 7 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7643#section-7 the Schema definition does not have the meta field and in section 8.7.2 the schema example does not have the meta as well. I've found issues about it on some products described as SCIM compliant, an example is the IdentityNow from SailPoint that obligates the field meta on the /Schema, but the project https://github.com/elimity-com/scim that is a SCIM server implementation does not provide the meta on /Schema. Because of that, I would like to know which is correct. Thanks a lot and have a great week. --=20 Rafael Otero Reinert