From uri.elzur@intel.com Sun Jul 1 22:18:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AA711E8174 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:18:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id duHxphzgj9wb for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mga09.intel.com (mga09.intel.com [134.134.136.24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621C211E8175 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orsmga001.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.18]) by orsmga102.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2012 22:18:41 -0700 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,352,1309762800"; d="scan'208";a="160398524" Received: from orsmsx604.amr.corp.intel.com ([10.22.226.87]) by orsmga001.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2012 22:18:41 -0700 Received: from orsmsx152.amr.corp.intel.com (10.22.226.39) by orsmsx604.amr.corp.intel.com (10.22.226.87) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.255.0; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:18:40 -0700 Received: from orsmsx106.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.5.39]) by ORSMSX152.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.8.235]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:18:40 -0700 From: "Elzur, Uri" To: Thomas Nadeau , "robert@raszuk.net" Thread-Topic: [Sdnp] SDNP IETF meeting in YVR ? Thread-Index: AQHNVgUXoD4YQLuiLkiVxLgY4dj4LZcR3RCAgAOBexA= Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:18:39 +0000 Message-ID: <7E05C330D7FD6D4FAD0728C46B8995850AD211A5@ORSMSX106.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <238542D917511A45B6B8AA806E875E25096C1770@XMB-RCD-201.cisco.com> <4FEDBE41.8030906@raszuk.net> <3868B470-840C-4CB3-AB9A-59DCA0C358E8@lucidvision.com> In-Reply-To: <3868B470-840C-4CB3-AB9A-59DCA0C358E8@lucidvision.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.22.254.138] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:08:03 -0700 Cc: "sdnp@lucidvision.com" , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] [Sdnp] SDNP IETF meeting in YVR ? X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 05:29:06 -0000 Is there an option to have the "informal meeting" such that it falls on sam= e day as the IRTF SDNRG (or prior day or following day)?=20 I hope it is ok to assume all present in Vancouver can be invited? Thx =20 Uri ("Oo-Ree") O: (949)-567-4519 C: (949)-378-7568 -----Original Message----- From: sdnp-bounces@lucidvision.com [mailto:sdnp-bounces@lucidvision.com] On= Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 8:14 AM To: robert@raszuk.net Cc: sdnp@lucidvision.com; SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdnp] SDNP IETF meeting in YVR ? On Jun 29, 2012:10:40 AM, at 10:40 AM, Robert Raszuk wrote: > I see there is IRTF SDNRG meeting scheduled for Wed afternoon. Great ! >=20 > But does this mean that IETF abandoned formation of SDN WG all together a= t this point ? First off, I didn't think the IETF was meeting at the airport, but your su= bject suggests this is the case. *) But seriously, no there is no BoF planned. There were issues getting the d= rafts into a state where we could have a WG-forming BoF, so we decided to p= unt. Remember that we have one more chance at this, so we need to get it ri= ght. We are shooting for the next meeting for this. We however, should have= informal meetings/discussions in Vancouver to update the documents as need= ed. --Tom > Or is there another SDN WG BOF being cooked under cover? If so any estima= te on it's schedule ? >=20 > Just curious while setting my itinerary for the IETF week. >=20 > Thx, > R. > _______________________________________________ > SDNP mailing list > SDNP@lucidvision.com > http://lucidvision.com/mailman/listinfo/sdnp >=20 _______________________________________________ SDNP mailing list SDNP@lucidvision.com http://lucidvision.com/mailman/listinfo/sdnp From hadi@mojatatu.com Wed Jul 11 14:28:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343E311E80EC for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:28:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.362 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.362 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.615, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PgL1fdtSs7rS for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A199B11E80EA for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so2665418obb.13 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:28:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=qdDhY5oMPq6f3pSJtmn3iaXO7M4Qi2bvWuLlSao59WA=; b=dflSaNhbTF3ijCTzbERbvSALH1vZC9jLQAGTb+lRABG1BgeDcQzRJtKe0lRbbd4ZE1 rj/KZRjSya9gl+9OUu6nMWVTn0PqnmRbyzAAHQaTf96Wjybz6cSaqLYXT/7e0Hx/LyjA ILaUMq0scmxNOWDAuy5q0bI/v9hBb8YUpVKyoNNOjpLOY8ZJweGrgiX8L1lwIMOZFMnR zxqARuGrZ4Rp0XRJ26AHS3DwJ92WDOlGhhGSVRmq9k89B/pPldu5EmH1dP7UoKTAsZBU gtMU97+EiCrub5BuJIBmPCPxusYNupIYGT1w7kTbwYTiOEaFtwt/7rrh4s3jHWpob9pw 1c7w== Received: by 10.60.172.202 with SMTP id be10mr1189552oec.53.1342042109710; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:28:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.134.137 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:28:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120711200122.27708.86642.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20120711200122.27708.86642.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:28:09 -0400 Message-ID: To: sdnp , sdn@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn7PfxW+zOgKJ+JttvGPodbJWHwwhfihAcA1MSMRHk1obrZ0WXSZfxXglmO7gpzyy8+8Q9k Subject: [Sdn] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-haleplidis-forces-openflow-lib-01.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:28:02 -0000 Draft will be discussed in the ForCES meeting .. cheers, jamal ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM Subject: I-D Action: draft-haleplidis-forces-openflow-lib-01.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Forwarding and Control Element Separation (ForCES) OpenFlow Model Library Author(s) : Evangelos Haleplidis Omar Cherkaoui Susan Hares Weiming Wang Filename : draft-haleplidis-forces-openflow-lib-01.txt Pages : 97 Date : 2012-07-11 Abstract: This document describes the OpenFlow switch in Logical Function Blocks (LFBs) used in the Forwarding and Control Element Separation (ForCES). The LFB classes are defined according to the ForCES Forwading Element (FE) model and ForCES protocol specifications. The library includes the descriptions of the OpenFlow LFBs and the XML definitions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haleplidis-forces-openflow-lib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-haleplidis-forces-openflow-lib-01 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-haleplidis-forces-openflow-lib-01 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From linda.dunbar@huawei.com Fri Jul 13 13:01:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D90811E80F3 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:01:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.476 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.476 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.123, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oLjoGPY0uZ8S for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6F111E809B for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHS79650; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.203) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:00:36 -0700 Received: from DFWEML506-MBX.china.huawei.com ([10.124.31.111]) by dfweml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.203]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:00:40 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: David Meyer , SDN IRTF list Thread-Topic: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set Thread-Index: AQHNVfza3P2YjXAZXUGWr4gDnnmL85cnsa2A Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:00:40 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023E82@dfweml506-mbx> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.146.223] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:01:19 -0000 David,=20 What is the main priority of the SDN BOF?=20 It would be nice to see some real scenarios which demonstrate how SDN contr= ol can be more effective than distributed protocols which are running today= 's network.=20 Linda =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of > David Meyer > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 8:41 AM > To: SDN IRTF list > Subject: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set >=20 > Folks, >=20 > We will be meeting Wednesday, August 1, 2012 from 1510-1710 > (Afternoon Session II). Please see > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.txt. We are working on > the agenda now and hope to have an agenda published early next week. >=20 > Thnx, >=20 > --dmm > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From dmm@1-4-5.net Fri Jul 13 14:19:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF84F11E8108 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:19:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sefQx3dneW4B for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F2111E8109 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so6700780obb.13 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:20:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=38fidtwk30g8yStE5hVpikLLa2cs1wjayGNpMrS/hUM=; b=VTqWH1PP/Z1w69A8zKLrPdMrEoi/b40MvXlSKKNXeWXM05Y+kRl74lGTGOSkpCC2El 4FVedwuv6MY6b0WG/SsN79+9OGEBclddHIL+4cLtjvp77d5zoTeSlL+Mle6spIHdz6In pBRvCn+b/xsoppNzOb+mY2MHmiVsU64OTVVghKjgqt9LY7CVptTPj7wWunBomSb7Ipmk Z5spkxcmy+gZBVPu9XtjjXNKQK+Glaqm0DtxZGzhQ/FZRu/rzSZVxAn4bVnXSt1TZlG9 876bur4FpsG3p8StwovohCdLmghnhCqhmtfmFTQP0g6X6Qp83W/FlnJiMSVRFO4Hi/sI rBUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.15.103 with SMTP id w7mr3761982obc.26.1342214418195; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.3.78 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:20:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [24.21.216.213] In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023E82@dfweml506-mbx> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023E82@dfweml506-mbx> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:20:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: Linda Dunbar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQloUVHM+Yie/fW7mfRF1WmAfhIQdSPfj8on4/sXmiooFHQMRA0sf213/GWskwkXG1W2Jdnc Cc: SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:19:42 -0000 Linda, The main purpose of the proto-SDNRG meeting in Vancouver is (in no order): Discuss what an RG this space will do and the associated charter issues, and start to behaving like the RG exists so we can see if what we had in mind in the charter (and however we amend it) drives real/useful work for a RG. Of couse, eventually we'd like whatever research is done here (or in the research community for that matter) to be ultimately useful. Hope this helps, --dmm On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > David, > > What is the main priority of the SDN BOF? > It would be nice to see some real scenarios which demonstrate how SDN control can be more effective than distributed protocols which are running today's network. > > Linda > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of >> David Meyer >> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 8:41 AM >> To: SDN IRTF list >> Subject: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set >> >> Folks, >> >> We will be meeting Wednesday, August 1, 2012 from 1510-1710 >> (Afternoon Session II). Please see >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.txt. We are working on >> the agenda now and hope to have an agenda published early next week. >> >> Thnx, >> >> --dmm >> _______________________________________________ >> sdn mailing list >> sdn@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From linda.dunbar@huawei.com Fri Jul 13 14:41:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560B321F8619 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.48 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.48 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H7wxas3xzXL3 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EA621F8617 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHS85003; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:40:33 -0700 Received: from DFWEML506-MBX.china.huawei.com ([10.124.31.111]) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.134]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:40:36 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: David Meyer Thread-Topic: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set Thread-Index: AQHNVfza3P2YjXAZXUGWr4gDnnmL85cnsa2AgACSTAD//41AMA== Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:40:36 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023F14@dfweml506-mbx> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023E82@dfweml506-mbx> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.146.223] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:41:03 -0000 David,=20 Wow, that is a very wide space! First of all, "SDN" is a loaded term. Some = people view SDN as centralized controller, then all the work done in the pa= st between management systems and network elements can be classified as SDN= . OpenFlow is another way of controlling network elements.=20 Almost like asking what a RG can do for "Cloud". There will be plenty, for = sure. Therefore I think it is more productive to steer the BoF to be under = certain constraints.=20 Linda =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: David Meyer [mailto:dmm@1-4-5.net] > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:20 PM > To: Linda Dunbar > Cc: SDN IRTF list > Subject: Re: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set >=20 > Linda, >=20 > The main purpose of the proto-SDNRG meeting in Vancouver is (in no > order): Discuss what an RG this space will do and the associated > charter issues, and start to behaving like the RG exists so we can see > if what we had in mind in the charter (and however we amend it) drives > real/useful work for a RG. Of couse, eventually we'd like whatever > research is done here (or in the research community for that matter) > to be ultimately useful. >=20 > Hope this helps, >=20 > --dmm >=20 > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > > David, > > > > What is the main priority of the SDN BOF? > > It would be nice to see some real scenarios which demonstrate how SDN > control can be more effective than distributed protocols which are > running today's network. > > > > Linda > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf > Of > >> David Meyer > >> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 8:41 AM > >> To: SDN IRTF list > >> Subject: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set > >> > >> Folks, > >> > >> We will be meeting Wednesday, August 1, 2012 from 1510-1710 > >> (Afternoon Session II). Please see > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.txt. We are working > on > >> the agenda now and hope to have an agenda published early next week. > >> > >> Thnx, > >> > >> --dmm > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sdn mailing list > >> sdn@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From scott.brim@gmail.com Fri Jul 13 14:49:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8140B11E8109 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:49:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GsRNkdQV09ei for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AC711E80BB for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so4684992ghb.13 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Aa8RlOb3+5DIeahy7b0Di3fV5v42GfvxPqQ+fK4nwDs=; b=Q4ySd1bk3qDb5TuA/Sfwf2OskwYLGw8ZNOlBTP3wmusTYcO8oavinY19gcts32x7oF 5r+ZOd02T3u6Wm1tq2kfHOP7USqV/bqPGmPBGBqytQHtMk2XHqSnnGELUqFXzNFQ+uwA uzQjYif7EL8x27BQl6X1cC/H8SYFHfEYLrU2pO1XQqLTAPyHBtCogu5urTfrQJ0rl7W2 tx7BmJ8Nw00zLUyymK/Q4cqZhEZBCpg7YIhuM0J3whTloenng108ba95Uk7bqrbru2X+ NOeafPdO25lDlgP51nt2sqkqtFEK4Z07RQ7JMXXoXyisPUzarwwclFvKwSdyOFm8rtyg xGMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.88.230 with SMTP id bj6mr5019190pab.43.1342216182249; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.220.132 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.220.132 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023F14@dfweml506-mbx> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023E82@dfweml506-mbx> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023F14@dfweml506-mbx> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:49:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Scott Brim To: Linda Dunbar Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042de90dc13a5f04c4bd0e34 Cc: David Meyer , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:49:06 -0000 --f46d042de90dc13a5f04c4bd0e34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There will be some disagreements but let's see what kind they are first and if they are really problems. RG agendas are naturally open. Scott --f46d042de90dc13a5f04c4bd0e34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

There will be some disagreements but let's see what kind they are first and if they are really problems. RG agendas are naturally open.

Scott

--f46d042de90dc13a5f04c4bd0e34-- From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Fri Jul 13 16:32:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DA611E80EE for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gh-dLhA44gPt for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B24711E80E7 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.35.242.150] (mobile-198-228-204-093.mycingular.net [198.228.204.93]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3C61D8490; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:33:05 -0400 (EDT) References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023E82@dfweml506-mbx> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Thomas Nadeau Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:32:59 -0400 To: David Meyer Cc: SDN IRTF list , Linda Dunbar Subject: Re: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:32:33 -0000 we should also be calling it the IRTF SDN research group BoF to make it cle= ar that this is not an IETF BOF. Tom=20 On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:20 PM, David Meyer wrote: > Linda, >=20 > The main purpose of the proto-SDNRG meeting in Vancouver is (in no > order): Discuss what an RG this space will do and the associated > charter issues, and start to behaving like the RG exists so we can see > if what we had in mind in the charter (and however we amend it) drives > real/useful work for a RG. Of couse, eventually we'd like whatever > research is done here (or in the research community for that matter) > to be ultimately useful. >=20 > Hope this helps, >=20 > --dmm >=20 > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Linda Dunbar wr= ote: >> David, >>=20 >> What is the main priority of the SDN BOF? >> It would be nice to see some real scenarios which demonstrate how SDN con= trol can be more effective than distributed protocols which are running toda= y's network. >>=20 >> Linda >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of >>> David Meyer >>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 8:41 AM >>> To: SDN IRTF list >>> Subject: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set >>>=20 >>> Folks, >>>=20 >>> We will be meeting Wednesday, August 1, 2012 from 1510-1710 >>> (Afternoon Session II). Please see >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.txt. We are working on >>> the agenda now and hope to have an agenda published early next week. >>>=20 >>> Thnx, >>>=20 >>> --dmm >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sdn mailing list >>> sdn@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >=20 From lars@netapp.com Sat Jul 14 01:02:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE8021F86D6 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:02:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.171, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oeS6uqdDLSqk for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A48C21F86D4 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,584,1336374000"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="663945116" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2012 01:02:52 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.77.34]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q6E82qiv009040; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.13]) by vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:02:51 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Thomas Nadeau Thread-Topic: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set Thread-Index: AQHNVfzmDLez821N0E63aFYsDACuyJcoLbkAgAAWQACAACUSgIAAjneA Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:02:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4337FCF7-7A28-490D-A7C0-6C44DDB4F30E@netapp.com> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023E82@dfweml506-mbx> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.115] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1625577B-6947-4F3E-83B4-5E4084994CE6"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: David Meyer , SDN IRTF list , Linda Dunbar Subject: Re: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:02:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1625577B-6947-4F3E-83B4-5E4084994CE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The IRTF has no concept of a BOF. I know it's a convenient term to use, = because it means something over on the IETF side, but it isn't really = defined for the IRTF. The meeting agenda says "Proposed Software Defined = Networking Research Group", so maybe that's a good term? (Not that is matters much if we're all clear that it's not yet a = chartered IRTF - or of course IETF - activity.) Lars On Jul 14, 2012, at 1:32, Thomas Nadeau wrote: > we should also be calling it the IRTF SDN research group BoF to make = it clear that this is not an IETF BOF. >=20 > Tom=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:20 PM, David Meyer wrote: >=20 >> Linda, >>=20 >> The main purpose of the proto-SDNRG meeting in Vancouver is (in no >> order): Discuss what an RG this space will do and the associated >> charter issues, and start to behaving like the RG exists so we can = see >> if what we had in mind in the charter (and however we amend it) = drives >> real/useful work for a RG. Of couse, eventually we'd like whatever >> research is done here (or in the research community for that matter) >> to be ultimately useful. >>=20 >> Hope this helps, >>=20 >> --dmm >>=20 >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Linda Dunbar = wrote: >>> David, >>>=20 >>> What is the main priority of the SDN BOF? >>> It would be nice to see some real scenarios which demonstrate how = SDN control can be more effective than distributed protocols which are = running today's network. >>>=20 >>> Linda >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf = Of >>>> David Meyer >>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 8:41 AM >>>> To: SDN IRTF list >>>> Subject: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set >>>>=20 >>>> Folks, >>>>=20 >>>> We will be meeting Wednesday, August 1, 2012 from 1510-1710 >>>> (Afternoon Session II). Please see >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.txt. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:37:37 -0000 For some reason Sue's draft didnt seem to propagate on the ietf announce list: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hares-forces-vs-openflow/ cheers, jamal From linda.dunbar@huawei.com Mon Jul 16 08:06:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED01C21F87B2 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:06:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.116, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J1GxNgW2C4m7 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com 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<4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645023E82@dfweml506-mbx> <4337FCF7-7A28-490D-A7C0-6C44DDB4F30E@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <4337FCF7-7A28-490D-A7C0-6C44DDB4F30E@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.93] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: David Meyer , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:06:18 -0000 Lars,=20 Is "Proposed ... Research group" in IRTF same as IETF's BOF? Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: Eggert, Lars [mailto:lars@netapp.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:03 AM > To: Thomas Nadeau > Cc: David Meyer; SDN IRTF list; Linda Dunbar > Subject: Re: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set >=20 > The IRTF has no concept of a BOF. I know it's a convenient term to use, > because it means something over on the IETF side, but it isn't really > defined for the IRTF. The meeting agenda says "Proposed Software > Defined Networking Research Group", so maybe that's a good term? >=20 > (Not that is matters much if we're all clear that it's not yet a > chartered IRTF - or of course IETF - activity.) >=20 > Lars >=20 >=20 > On Jul 14, 2012, at 1:32, Thomas Nadeau wrote: >=20 > > we should also be calling it the IRTF SDN research group BoF to make > it clear that this is not an IETF BOF. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:20 PM, David Meyer wrote: > > > >> Linda, > >> > >> The main purpose of the proto-SDNRG meeting in Vancouver is (in no > >> order): Discuss what an RG this space will do and the associated > >> charter issues, and start to behaving like the RG exists so we can > see > >> if what we had in mind in the charter (and however we amend it) > drives > >> real/useful work for a RG. Of couse, eventually we'd like whatever > >> research is done here (or in the research community for that matter) > >> to be ultimately useful. > >> > >> Hope this helps, > >> > >> --dmm > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Linda Dunbar > wrote: > >>> David, > >>> > >>> What is the main priority of the SDN BOF? > >>> It would be nice to see some real scenarios which demonstrate how > SDN control can be more effective than distributed protocols which are > running today's network. > >>> > >>> Linda > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf > Of > >>>> David Meyer > >>>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 8:41 AM > >>>> To: SDN IRTF list > >>>> Subject: [Sdn] Meeting time for IETF 84 set > >>>> > >>>> Folks, > >>>> > >>>> We will be meeting Wednesday, August 1, 2012 from 1510-1710 > >>>> (Afternoon Session II). Please see > >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.txt. We are working > on > >>>> the agenda now and hope to have an agenda published early next > week. > >>>> > >>>> Thnx, > >>>> > >>>> --dmm > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> sdn mailing list > >>>> sdn@irtf.org > >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sdn mailing list > >> sdn@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > sdn mailing list > > sdn@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From dmm@1-4-5.net Mon Jul 16 08:31:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0922F21F8649 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:31:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eE6Yg8OG9jCZ for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A28A21F863E for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qaat11 with SMTP id t11so1657920qaa.13 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:31:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=KDgIcNpiS8CZuMTh5ocUVjyja4CzJf6qfjLor8rJ3FA=; b=ckrK0o6Q95PIK3Mvx9Z42G9Jd56zwNtz7wqCpNolOZcnZSd48AEQmT2dZov1aentM6 6RI1VuO7tRc4lr4A7WVNKn1cujqJFSci/MqJOniQ6I80EZhvEx2CEaCVdy3xqS9O+lxA IaT8Es8OWZsg+6D7JifdYzqTUnP74nBHS+/jycyb2Ogc8YVc7xWPs+PtbTQH+hApk5kn HYPfF/oHaZrDsXEr43mVtuBNIyCXAriqmkn5X2p6O69EHfrq1oTDS5amuA2SUeVdrWe1 NTqjWOmidibEoGyBU4y/DISz5DO5+nWXork57F9MWgFW/ldin3Y/i34ajydyFOm49yP2 tBNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.12.37 with SMTP id v5mr16088895oeb.25.1342452708890; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.3.78 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:31:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:468:d01:9c:78cc:51c5:5173:757a] Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:31:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: SDN IRTF list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=e89a8f83a735d759a604c4f420c3 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlF3VB124HA6EaYUg/ZNOkvnvEDCWvuzDNm3WE2gDfvqgpOn+tuaC7rSTrkz8KW3vv6KQws Cc: Nick Feamster , Thomas Nadeau Subject: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:31:09 -0000 --e89a8f83a735d759a604c4f420c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All, Please find attached the draft agenda for our meeting in Vancouver. I want to thank everyone who proposed talks; there just wasn't time to accept them all and still leave time to discuss the charter of the RG. 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Research group" in IRTF same as IETF's BOF? There is no equivalent for a BOF on the IRTF side. There is also no "one = BOF, or at most two" rule. This meeting is called "proposed", because it is not (yet) a meeting of = a research group. After a few such meetings (where "few" may be more = than two, but need not), I'll discuss with the IRSG and IAB whether a = permanent research group should be chartered. I'd think that it would be useful to plan and hold this meeting as if = the research group were already chartered, i.e., focus on presenting and = discussing research topics (rather than charter text, as we often do on = the IETF side.) Charter text is much less important for us than in the = IETF, because we have no short-term deliverables. 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ALoCoQn/q6RtC5gQWfPDjFVcaz0ou7bXT2J7UAxJZOmNk89zZ7qGr1WYjDLgpI7euNmmcc0dyxgbKMUAUcAp/YJ7QffH+2xRcrNGIMs2y64E2xezfnAzD+eH3IrIVNbWkyylG1XkP7+BASXbg9yPfT1w4FZ7CCy2gmOb9U2TF3gButjJzh6i7BQ= Cc: Nick Feamster , Thomas Nadeau , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:16:18 -0000 --e89a8f502dd08b269704c4f4c204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 With one correction: I'm going to be presenting on optimization algos for inter-DC TE, not ephemeral state in datacenters. ^_^ On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:31 AM, David Meyer wrote: > All, > > Please find attached the draft agenda for our meeting in Vancouver. I > want to thank everyone who proposed talks; there just wasn't time to > accept them all and still leave time to discuss the charter of the RG. > > Thanks again, > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > > --e89a8f502dd08b269704c4f4c204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With one correction: =A0I'm going to be presenting on optimization algo= s for inter-DC TE, not ephemeral state in datacenters. =A0^_^

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:31 AM, David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.n= et> wrote:
All,

Please find attached the draft agenda for our meeting in Vancouver. I
want to thank everyone who proposed talks; there just wasn't time to accept them all and still leave time to discuss the charter of the RG.

Thanks again,

Dave

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--e89a8f502dd08b269704c4f4c204-- From dmm@1-4-5.net Mon Jul 16 09:19:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B3E21F8526 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:19:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ugGvpq-M1IAB for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5EA21F84E6 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so12153898obb.13 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:19:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=NRrts5AhdShbIX7N6R8Ci00E+5s4h5+0dskciFlUJpU=; b=l/F7KLkxrI15wlOzMZIwXi4NoLKOIQkuWc3CpvUX5Q2CFekURPLdCsRusSsZSOk0gy oiEYVs8oOOIogbRcAiknXyZA58y53nuvTZT0KH+gn6BPtlmoFXJnRho3aUCgF+gg3ycI ghVtJuf6ZJ6G1et6veTY/cllY6/CtFo25JbrRUaUtTQVDYMhuabaslw5eCa6hxfMWpa/ X93z3DxJv/QXWghhQSfT9VFRR4LGLy4EzbbL7bS4ut2IpLoSgF01wijrYtRq+gSW87y2 wTjg3tu1CAZJDG2L0gWKIytx/5E+60vhxJvGW3fN2PlVfzhGp6TAbdPendFhOBFCiLW6 ZlDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.160.10 with SMTP id xg10mr16096418obb.76.1342455584616; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.3.78 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:19:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:468:d01:9c:78cc:51c5:5173:757a] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:19:44 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: Edward Crabbe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmiwyiVe8Oh96+Vg8c2fwORnKuXf9j+UdBJCJD1KbsANKkbdI3rjAsHa803UT5jVdtobNu6 Cc: Nick Feamster , Thomas Nadeau , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:19:00 -0000 Thnx, fixed...--dmm On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Edward Crabbe wrote: > With one correction: I'm going to be presenting on optimization algos for > inter-DC TE, not ephemeral state in datacenters. ^_^ > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:31 AM, David Meyer wrote: >> >> All, >> >> Please find attached the draft agenda for our meeting in Vancouver. I >> want to thank everyone who proposed talks; there just wasn't time to >> accept them all and still leave time to discuss the charter of the RG. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sdn mailing list >> sdn@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >> > From Tina.Tsou.Zouting@huawei.com Mon Jul 16 16:48:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAA311E8320 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:48:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.917 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.917 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.682, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bEk51vFzl52R for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE5511E8310 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHU77485; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:48:14 -0700 Received: from DFWEML513-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.5]) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.132]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:48:15 -0700 From: Tina TSOU To: David Meyer , Edward Crabbe Thread-Topic: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) Thread-Index: AQHNY2gnKO6eu69CaEmAkpmCTZP+JZcsizWAgAAA8gCAAAUPcA== Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:48:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.246.79] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: Nick Feamster , Thomas Nadeau , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:48:51 -0000 Dear chairs, We specifically asked slot for=20 http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yin-sdn-sdni/ before. Both privately to Dave and publicly to the list. The presenter is Diego Lopez. Thank you, Tina > -----Original Message----- > From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of > David Meyer > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 9:20 AM > To: Edward Crabbe > Cc: Nick Feamster; Thomas Nadeau; SDN IRTF list > Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined > Networking Research Group (sdnrg) >=20 > Thnx, fixed...--dmm >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Edward Crabbe wrote: > > With one correction: I'm going to be presenting on optimization > algos for > > inter-DC TE, not ephemeral state in datacenters. ^_^ > > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:31 AM, David Meyer wrote: > >> > >> All, > >> > >> Please find attached the draft agenda for our meeting in Vancouver. > I > >> want to thank everyone who proposed talks; there just wasn't time to > >> accept them all and still leave time to discuss the charter of the > RG. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sdn mailing list > >> sdn@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Mon Jul 16 18:45:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BECC21F8680 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U50gNC+m9+Kj for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EA121F867F for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE3F21C83C2; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:46:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at www.lucidvision.com Received: from lucidvision.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (static-72-71-250-34.cncdnh.fios.verizon.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ak+Yp5DY2rOj; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sa-nc-cs-214.static.jnpr.net (natint3.juniper.net [66.129.224.36]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDEE21C83B5; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:46:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9A137DB2-681C-4379-B826-731882428509@lucidvision.com> References: To: Tina TSOU X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: David Meyer , Nick Feamster , Crabbe Edward , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:45:33 -0000 We did review the draft. It was deemed to be a "near-term" = solution that did not fit in with the "longer term research in the area = of SDN" (proposed) charter of the group. Remember that the IRTF is not a = place to standardize near-term solutions such as protocol = specifications. --Tom On Jul 16, 2012:7:48 PM, at 7:48 PM, Tina TSOU wrote: > Dear chairs, > We specifically asked slot for=20 > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yin-sdn-sdni/ > before. Both privately to Dave and publicly to the list. > The presenter is Diego Lopez. >=20 > Thank you, > Tina >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of >> David Meyer >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 9:20 AM >> To: Edward Crabbe >> Cc: Nick Feamster; Thomas Nadeau; SDN IRTF list >> Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined >> Networking Research Group (sdnrg) >>=20 >> Thnx, fixed...--dmm >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Edward Crabbe = wrote: >>> With one correction: I'm going to be presenting on optimization >> algos for >>> inter-DC TE, not ephemeral state in datacenters. ^_^ >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:31 AM, David Meyer wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> All, >>>>=20 >>>> Please find attached the draft agenda for our meeting in Vancouver. >> I >>>> want to thank everyone who proposed talks; there just wasn't time = to >>>> accept them all and still leave time to discuss the charter of the >> RG. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks again, >>>>=20 >>>> Dave >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sdn mailing list >>>> sdn@irtf.org >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >>>>=20 >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> sdn mailing list >> sdn@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >=20 From marcelo@it.uc3m.es Mon Jul 16 22:28:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3308E21F8608 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:28:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6KPIxz9I6-qm for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es (smtp03.uc3m.es [163.117.176.133]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E48C21F8606 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-uc3m-safe: yes Received: from dummyhost7.it.uc3m.es (unknown [163.117.139.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: marcelo@smtp03.uc3m.es) by smtp03.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6AC49D358D for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5004F836.4030402@it.uc3m.es> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:29:26 +0200 From: marcelo bagnulo braun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sdn@irtf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1224-6.8.0.1017-19046.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--17.056-7.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--17.056-7.0-31-1 Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:28:41 -0000 Hi Thanks for the agenda. One question: I see only one of the presetnations has a document we can read to prepare the meeting. Are the other documents associated or related to the other issues that will be disucssed that we can read? Regards, marcelo El 16/07/12 17:31, David Meyer escribió: > All, > > Please find attached the draft agenda for our meeting in Vancouver. I > want to thank everyone who proposed talks; there just wasn't time to > accept them all and still leave time to discuss the charter of the RG. > > Thanks again, > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From diego@tid.es Tue Jul 17 03:18:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558C821F8525 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:18:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.167 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.167 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.432, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GVLea4S9iAkE for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from correo-bck.tid.es (correo-bck.tid.es [195.235.93.200]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1C821F8688 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Sbrightmailg02.hi.inet [10.95.78.105]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0M7A00IS1VBPJ8@tid.hi.inet> for sdn@irtf.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:19:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from vanvan (vanvan.hi.inet [10.95.78.49]) by sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 48.38.02752.51C35005; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:19:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from correo.tid.es (mailhost.hi.inet [10.95.64.100]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0M7A00IRTVBPJ8@tid.hi.inet> for sdn@irtf.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:19:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: from EX10-MB1-MAD.hi.inet ([fe80::a473:4f3e:f8db:1855]) by ex10-htcas3-mad.hi.inet ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:19:01 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:19:00 +0000 From: "Diego R. Lopez" In-reply-to: <9A137DB2-681C-4379-B826-731882428509@lucidvision.com> X-Originating-IP: [10.95.64.115] To: Thomas Nadeau Message-id: Content-id: <089FC859BB5B9F4FBFD2B5B580F9A99A@hi.inet> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Accept-Language: en-US Thread-topic: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) Thread-index: AQHNY735lvbgY6Y2QkaQKxSHt3Mj1pctIiYA X-AuditID: 0a5f4e69-b7f6d6d000000ac0-f7-50053c15db60 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrNKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCFe9nqCtmwxpgsOs5p8X5Bc9ZHBg9Jm88 zBbAGMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CVMWFyL0vBHr6KIx05DYw9fF2MnBwSAiYS7ybsY4awxSQu3FvP BmILCWxnlOiZWNHFyAVkf2eUaNrdygThLGWUmND0gAWkikVAVaLp3BmwDjYg+1Hzb3YQW1gg VeLz9s9gNqeAs0T363msEBsUJP6cewzWKyKgLTGxr5UZZCizwAZGiSVHrgIN4uDgFbCU+LlK HKSGWcBMYv7xJ0wgNq+AoMSPyfdYQEqYBdQlpkzJhSgRl2huvckCYStKTFvUwAhiMwI98/3U GiaIVWkSG68+ZIawjSRmPrzPCHGOgMSSPeehnheVePn4HyvEj0+ZJB70tDFNYJSYheSMWUjO mIVwxiwkZ8xCcsYCRtZVjGLFSUWZ6RkluYmZOekGRnoZmXqZeaklmxghMZe5g3H5TpVDjAIc jEo8vBLTPvkLsSaWFVfmHmKU5GBSEuVdYckaIMSXlJ9SmZFYnBFfVJqTWnyIUYKDWUmEd7UJ UI43JbGyKrUoHyYlw8GhJMErZQ2UEixKTU+tSMvMASYWmDQTBydIOw9QuyFIDW9xQWJucWY6 RP4Uo6SUOK8FSEIAJJFRmgfX+4pRHOhIYV41kCwPMAXCdb0CGsgENNCyhAlkYEkiQkqqgZFf NuzFykjdzF2uF7ba34p8uZej85L4oy9PbGtWflg+dXJ3mWWBxZmWRYd35cj/5J077d5n/U83 vvtHHJl+8nLqbFtJ3YS+tzdCbslbP5+XVmWQceF1paznDO31v7ZxGZ2bvMaqe1/nS6/L2wMX 8IXvMr0hOP/H1YZox7aF/B/z3l67puM87dl3JZbijERDLeai4kQAbtVIvD4DAAA= References: <9A137DB2-681C-4379-B826-731882428509@lucidvision.com> Cc: David Meyer , Nick Feamster , Crabbe Edward , SDN IRTF list , Tina TSOU Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:18:17 -0000 SGkgVGhvbWFzLA0KDQpPbiAxNyBKdWwgMjAxMiwgYXQgMDM6NDYgLCBUaG9tYXMgTmFkZWF1IHdy b3RlOg0KPiAgICAgICBXZSBkaWQgcmV2aWV3IHRoZSBkcmFmdC4gSXQgd2FzIGRlZW1lZCB0byBi ZSBhICJuZWFyLXRlcm0iIHNvbHV0aW9uIHRoYXQgZGlkIG5vdCBmaXQgaW4gd2l0aCB0aGUgImxv bmdlciB0ZXJtIHJlc2VhcmNoIGluIHRoZSBhcmVhIG9mIFNETiIgKHByb3Bvc2VkKSBjaGFydGVy IG9mIHRoZSBncm91cC4gUmVtZW1iZXIgdGhhdCB0aGUgSVJURiBpcyBub3QgYSBwbGFjZSB0byBz dGFuZGFyZGl6ZSBuZWFyLXRlcm0gc29sdXRpb25zIHN1Y2ggYXMgcHJvdG9jb2wgc3BlY2lmaWNh dGlvbnMuDQoNCkFzIEkgdHJpZWQgdG8gZXhwcmVzcyBzb21lIHRpbWUgYWdvIHdoZW4gZGlzY3Vz c2luZyBvbiB3aGV0aGVyIHRoZSBkcmFmdCB3YXMNCiJsb25nLXRlcm1lZCIgZW5vdWdoLCBJIGRv IHRoaW5rIHRoYXQgZXhwbG9yaW5nIHRoZSBhc3BlY3RzIG9mIGRvbWFpbg0KaW50ZXJvcGVyYXRp b24gKGFyY2hpdGVjdHVyZXMsIHByb3RvY29scywgZm9ybWFsaXphdGlvbi4uLikgaXMgYW4gaW50 ZXJlc3RpbmcgaXNzdWUNCmZvciByZXNlYXJjaC4NCg0KSWYgd2UgYWdyZWUgb24gdGhpcyBwb2lu dCwgSSB0aGluayB0aGlzIGNvbmNyZXRlIGRyYWZ0IGNvdWxkIGJlIHNlZW4gYXMgYSBmaXJzdCBz dGVwDQppbiBleHBsb3JpbmcgdGhhdCBkaXJlY3Rpb24uDQoNCkJlIGdvb2RlLA0KDQotLQ0KIkVz dGEgdmV6IG5vIGZhbGxhcmVtb3MsIERvY3RvciBJbmZpZXJubyINCg0KRHIgRGllZ28gUi4gTG9w ZXoNClRlbGVmb25pY2EgSStEDQpodHRwOi8vcGVvcGxlLnRpZC5lcy9kaWVnby5sb3Blei8NCg0K ZS1tYWlsOiBkaWVnb0B0aWQuZXMNClRlbDogICAgKzM0IDkxMyAxMjkgMDQxDQpNb2JpbGU6ICsz NCA2ODIgMDUxIDA5MQ0KLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0N Cg0KDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KDQpFc3RlIG1lbnNhamUgc2Ug ZGlyaWdlIGV4Y2x1c2l2YW1lbnRlIGEgc3UgZGVzdGluYXRhcmlvLiBQdWVkZSBjb25zdWx0YXIg bnVlc3RyYSBwb2zDrXRpY2EgZGUgZW52w61vIHkgcmVjZXBjacOzbiBkZSBjb3JyZW8gZWxlY3Ry w7NuaWNvIGVuIGVsIGVubGFjZSBzaXR1YWRvIG3DoXMgYWJham8uDQpUaGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgaXMg aW50ZW5kZWQgZXhjbHVzaXZlbHkgZm9yIGl0cyBhZGRyZXNzZWUuIFdlIG9ubHkgc2VuZCBhbmQg cmVjZWl2ZSBlbWFpbCBvbiB0aGUgYmFzaXMgb2YgdGhlIHRlcm1zIHNldCBvdXQgYXQuDQpodHRw Oi8vd3d3LnRpZC5lcy9FUy9QQUdJTkFTL2Rpc2NsYWltZXIuYXNweA0K From dmm@1-4-5.net Tue Jul 17 06:22:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF9311E8095 for ; 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Are the other documents associated or related to = the > other issues that will be disucssed that we can read? The only draft is the one I cited in the agenda. The rest are either positions (like Bob's) or new work. --dmm > > Regards, marcelo > > > El 16/07/12 17:31, David Meyer escribi=F3: >> >> All, >> >> Please find attached the draft agenda for our meeting in Vancouver. I >> want to thank everyone who proposed talks; there just wasn't time to >> accept them all and still leave time to discuss the charter of the RG. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Dave >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sdn mailing list >> sdn@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > > > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From linda.dunbar@huawei.com Tue Jul 17 15:33:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CAC11E80A0 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:33:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.492 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.492 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.107, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83PTWmQBfcv4 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DAC11E80C9 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHV60567; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:32:55 -0700 Received: from DFWEML506-MBX.china.huawei.com ([10.124.31.111]) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.132]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:32:48 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: "Diego R. 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Lopez" Thread-Topic: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) Thread-Index: AQHNZPoBpqoFuW14vEuLYZpKtfK8EZcvKvwQ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:41:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64502A815@dfweml506-mbx> References: <9A137DB2-681C-4379-B826-731882428509@lucidvision.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645029490@dfweml506-mbx> <5F703BE1-0DDA-4028-A7AC-37A1A67796EC@tid.es> In-Reply-To: <5F703BE1-0DDA-4028-A7AC-37A1A67796EC@tid.es> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.136.173] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: Thomas Nadeau , SDN IRTF list , Tina TSOU , David Meyer , Nick Feamster , Crabbe Edward Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: 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Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sa-nc-cs-214.static.jnpr.net (natint3.juniper.net [66.129.224.36]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106D021D1B0D; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Thomas Nadeau In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64502A815@dfweml506-mbx> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:44:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9A137DB2-681C-4379-B826-731882428509@lucidvision.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645029490@dfweml506-mbx> <5F703BE1-0DDA-4028-A7AC-37A1A67796EC@tid.es> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64502A815@dfweml506-mbx> To: Linda Dunbar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: SDN IRTF list , Tina TSOU , Nick Feamster , David Meyer , Crabbe Edward , "Diego R. Lopez" Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:43:57 -0000 Please raise this during the charter discussion, which we've = allocated quite a bit of time for. --Tom On Jul 18, 2012:11:41 AM, at 11:41 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Diego,=20 >=20 > Thank you very much for elaborating all those inter-domain areas which = are definitely worth of "long term" research.=20 >=20 > It will be very helpful for SDNrg to have a slot for people to show = those desired "richer semantics of network" for research community to = work on.=20 >=20 >=20 > Linda >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of >> Diego R. Lopez >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:28 AM >> To: Linda Dunbar >> Cc: Thomas Nadeau; SDN IRTF list; Tina TSOU; Nick Feamster; David = Meyer; >> Crabbe Edward >> Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined >> Networking Research Group (sdnrg) >>=20 >> Hi Linda, >>=20 >> On 18 Jul 2012, at 00:32 , Linda Dunbar wrote: >>>=20 >>> You stated that "exploring the aspects of domain interoperation >> (architectures, protocols, formalization...) is an interesting issue >> for research." >>>=20 >>> Today BGP is widely deployed protocol to interconnect massive number >> of domains. >>> There is also multi-domain PCE work on going in IETF. >>>=20 >>> Why do you still think "domain interoperation" is "long term SDN >> research" work? >>>=20 >>=20 >> Because I asume that inter-domain communication for SDN goes beyond = the >> routing >> updates you can exchange with BGP. >>=20 >> The use of SDN should allow for a richer semantics in network >> description, allowing >> different levels of abstraction and information hiding (in the spirit >> of what is >> being done around ALTO), the support for much finer-grained security >> controls (closer >> to JOSE and ABFAB than to SIDR, if you allow me to continue namimg >> related IETF WGs), >> and the potential exchange of additional data suitable to influence = the >> other domain >> decisions, as could be the case of energy consumption figures, >> information related to >> IT infrastructure in the case of cloud, reputation scores... >>=20 >> Furthermore, if one of the SDN promises is achieved and software >> engineering tools >> can be applied to network design and operation (static checkers, >> compilers, >> debuggers...) inter-domain exchanges should need a formal model = similar >> to current >> inter-process communication and/or multithread concurrent = programming. >> And >> northbound interfaces must be considered as well when incorporating >> this inter-domain >> exchanges. >>=20 >> As I said, I don't think BGP is well suited to address all these = issues. >> And even if >> we consider BGP as a possible option for (some of) them, doing so = would >> require a >> certain degree of research. >>=20 >> Be goode, >>=20 >> -- >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" >>=20 >> Dr Diego R. Lopez >> Telefonica I+D >> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ >>=20 >> e-mail: diego@tid.es >> Tel: +34 913 129 041 >> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 >> ----------------------------------------- >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________ >>=20 >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede >> consultar nuestra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de correo = electr=F3nico >> en el enlace situado m=E1s abajo. >> This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send >> and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at. >> http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx >> _______________________________________________ >> sdn mailing list >> sdn@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From linda.dunbar@huawei.com Wed Jul 18 08:49:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0784B21F870A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:49:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d5tP6nhQf2c0 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BD521F86FF for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AID15243; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:48:33 -0700 Received: from DFWEML506-MBX.china.huawei.com ([10.124.31.111]) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.151]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:48:31 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: Thomas Nadeau Thread-Topic: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) Thread-Index: AQHNZPxKB9PX3sM0Fke2bt8lq36D2JcvL3UQ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:48:31 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64502A86C@dfweml506-mbx> References: <9A137DB2-681C-4379-B826-731882428509@lucidvision.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645029490@dfweml506-mbx> <5F703BE1-0DDA-4028-A7AC-37A1A67796EC@tid.es> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64502A815@dfweml506-mbx> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.136.173] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: SDN IRTF list , Tina TSOU , David Meyer , Nick Feamster , Crabbe Edward , "Diego R. Lopez" Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:49:35 -0000 Tom,=20 Thanks. I will. See you in Vancouver.=20 Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of > Thomas Nadeau > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:45 AM > To: Linda Dunbar > Cc: SDN IRTF list; Tina TSOU; Nick Feamster; David Meyer; Crabbe Edward; > Diego R. Lopez > Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined > Networking Research Group (sdnrg) >=20 >=20 > Please raise this during the charter discussion, which we've > allocated quite a bit of time for. >=20 > --Tom >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 18, 2012:11:41 AM, at 11:41 AM, Linda Dunbar wrote: >=20 > > Diego, > > > > Thank you very much for elaborating all those inter-domain areas > which are definitely worth of "long term" research. > > > > It will be very helpful for SDNrg to have a slot for people to show > those desired "richer semantics of network" for research community to > work on. > > > > > > Linda > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf > Of > >> Diego R. Lopez > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:28 AM > >> To: Linda Dunbar > >> Cc: Thomas Nadeau; SDN IRTF list; Tina TSOU; Nick Feamster; David > Meyer; > >> Crabbe Edward > >> Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined > >> Networking Research Group (sdnrg) > >> > >> Hi Linda, > >> > >> On 18 Jul 2012, at 00:32 , Linda Dunbar wrote: > >>> > >>> You stated that "exploring the aspects of domain interoperation > >> (architectures, protocols, formalization...) is an interesting issue > >> for research." > >>> > >>> Today BGP is widely deployed protocol to interconnect massive > number > >> of domains. > >>> There is also multi-domain PCE work on going in IETF. > >>> > >>> Why do you still think "domain interoperation" is "long term SDN > >> research" work? > >>> > >> > >> Because I asume that inter-domain communication for SDN goes beyond > the > >> routing > >> updates you can exchange with BGP. > >> > >> The use of SDN should allow for a richer semantics in network > >> description, allowing > >> different levels of abstraction and information hiding (in the > spirit > >> of what is > >> being done around ALTO), the support for much finer-grained security > >> controls (closer > >> to JOSE and ABFAB than to SIDR, if you allow me to continue namimg > >> related IETF WGs), > >> and the potential exchange of additional data suitable to influence > the > >> other domain > >> decisions, as could be the case of energy consumption figures, > >> information related to > >> IT infrastructure in the case of cloud, reputation scores... > >> > >> Furthermore, if one of the SDN promises is achieved and software > >> engineering tools > >> can be applied to network design and operation (static checkers, > >> compilers, > >> debuggers...) inter-domain exchanges should need a formal model > similar > >> to current > >> inter-process communication and/or multithread concurrent > programming. > >> And > >> northbound interfaces must be considered as well when incorporating > >> this inter-domain > >> exchanges. > >> > >> As I said, I don't think BGP is well suited to address all these > issues. > >> And even if > >> we consider BGP as a possible option for (some of) them, doing so > would > >> require a > >> certain degree of research. > >> > >> Be goode, > >> > >> -- > >> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" > >> > >> Dr Diego R. Lopez > >> Telefonica I+D > >> http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ > >> > >> e-mail: diego@tid.es > >> Tel: +34 913 129 041 > >> Mobile: +34 682 051 091 > >> ----------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede > >> consultar nuestra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de correo > electr=F3nico > >> en el enlace situado m=E1s abajo. > >> This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send > >> and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at. > >> http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sdn mailing list > >> sdn@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > > _______________________________________________ > > sdn mailing list > > sdn@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From diego@tid.es Wed Jul 18 08:51:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1512321F86FA for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:51:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.228 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.228 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.371, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jcYEdLm3TiOd for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tidos.tid.es (tidos.tid.es [195.235.93.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1882D21F858A for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbrightmailg01.hi.inet (sbrightmailg01.hi.inet [10.95.64.104]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0M7D00LPG5F3R2@tid.hi.inet> for sdn@irtf.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:52:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: from tid (tid.hi.inet [10.95.64.10]) by sbrightmailg01.hi.inet (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 1B.26.26499.3BBD6005; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from correo.tid.es (mailhost.hi.inet [10.95.64.100]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0M7D00LPO5F7R2@tid.hi.inet> for sdn@irtf.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:52:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: from EX10-MB1-MAD.hi.inet ([fe80::a473:4f3e:f8db:1855]) by EX10-HTCAS5-MAD.hi.inet ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:52:19 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:52:19 +0000 From: "Diego R. Lopez" In-reply-to: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64502A86C@dfweml506-mbx> X-Originating-IP: [10.95.64.115] To: Linda Dunbar Message-id: Content-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Accept-Language: en-US, es-ES Thread-topic: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) Thread-index: AQHNZPxKvzr+18Jk2USw80pa6AJXPZcvDg+AgAABE4A= X-AuditID: 0a5f4068-b7f206d000006783-8d-5006dbb3c5f0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrLKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCFe/Apbv5NluAwZclZhbnFzxncWD0mLzx MFsAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxunmNYwFvWwVR2foNDB+YOli5OSQEDCRaGv+zgxhi0lcuLee rYuRi0NIYCOjxO19K5kgnO+MEou+/oRyljJKXF98mRGkhUVAVWLtnKdg7WxA9qPm3+wgtrBA qsSzN3vAVnAKuErcmvKZHWKFgsSfc4/B4iICWhKP751hBxnKLHCTUaL/91RWkASvgKXE0c0X gRZwACXMJDbMD4IIC0r8mHwPrJdZQEei9/s3ZghbXKK59SZUXFviybsLYGMYBWQl3s2fzwqx K03i+4pFzBC2lcSejU+gXhaQWLLnPJQtKvHy8T9WiCfXs0pseNbBOIFRYhbCGbOQnDELyRmz kJwxC8kZCxhZVzGKFScVZaZnlOQmZuakGxjqZWTqZeallmxihMRdxg7G5TtVDjEKcDAq8fAq TvvkL8SaWFZcmXuIUZKDSUmUd/I1tgAhvqT8lMqMxOKM+KLSnNTiQ4wSHMxKIrzdV4FyvCmJ lVWpRfkwKRkODiUJXk5gihASLEpNT61Iy8wBJheYNBMHJ0g7D1D7nlsg7cUFibnFmekQ+VOM klLivJogzQIgiYzSPLjeV4ziQEcK8/4EaeMBpkG4rldAA5mABnIXgw0sSURISTUwNrxc/7zB eFLX7BThtWs6XZ2XH9M7v2CCkt8z8ennriTKKuu+aj6SUHawLCCxOKpq7qYZ2S2mk9bzN09y dm53luBweniyIHdfjONP+5icdyoOjFGrnl+oWnGp/eq7Yo4dEc17Opxj+rkOWrquiGfveH3o l2Pt2ynG/azTTqju2md318pti0SfEktxRqKhFnNRcSIAbNdj6kADAAA= References: <9A137DB2-681C-4379-B826-731882428509@lucidvision.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645029490@dfweml506-mbx> <5F703BE1-0DDA-4028-A7AC-37A1A67796EC@tid.es> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64502A815@dfweml506-mbx> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64502A86C@dfweml506-mbx> Cc: Thomas Nadeau , SDN IRTF list , Tina TSOU , David Meyer , Nick Feamster , Crabbe Edward Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:51:31 -0000 On 18 Jul 2012, at 17:48 , Linda Dunbar wrote: > Tom, > > Thanks. I will. See you in Vancouver. > > Linda So will I! :) Be goode, -- "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" Dr Diego R. Lopez Telefonica I+D http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ e-mail: diego@tid.es Tel: +34 913 129 041 Mobile: +34 682 051 091 ----------------------------------------- ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nu= estra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de correo electr=F3nico en el enl= ace situado m=E1s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and re= ceive email on the basis of the terms set out at. http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx From keshavaak@huawei.com Thu Jul 19 00:33:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDDD21F8678 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iFfTqkkkVbSd for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com (szxga01-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E6621F8627 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.24.2.119 (EHLO szxeml214-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.24.2.119]) by szxrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.1.9-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALO61149; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:31:51 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.94) by szxeml214-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:30:25 +0800 Received: from blrprnc03ns (10.18.96.92) by szxeml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:30:18 +0800 From: "Keshav.A.K." To: "'Tina TSOU'" , "'David Meyer'" , "'Edward Crabbe'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:00:14 +0530 Organization: Htipl Message-ID: <005001cd6580$594efb20$0becf160$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHNY2gnKO6eu69CaEmAkpmCTZP+JZcsizWAgAAA8gCAAAUPcIADou0Q Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.18.96.92] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: 'Nick Feamster' , 'Thomas Nadeau' , 'SDN IRTF list' , k70257@notesmail.huawei.com Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: keshavaak@huawei.com List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:33:37 -0000 Dear all, I have some of the basic query w.r.t IP network about this architecture O Provide northbound APIs for applications so they can program underlying network properties such as bandwidth assignments, network isolation, routing properties, redundancy properties, or security requirements. "any thoughts how to apply for hop by hop IP based network, or any thoughts of brining flow to IP network" ? O Provide covered SDN domain network topology view to applications so that applications can define data flow and flow path within the view. "This is L2 physical topology or L3 logical topology" ? "How this be Global-topology built at central entity coming from multiple NOS" ? Regards, Keshava.A.K. -----Original Message----- From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Tina TSOU Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:18 AM To: David Meyer; Edward Crabbe Cc: Nick Feamster; Thomas Nadeau; SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) Dear chairs, We specifically asked slot for http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yin-sdn-sdni/ before. Both privately to Dave and publicly to the list. The presenter is Diego Lopez. Thank you, Tina > -----Original Message----- > From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of > David Meyer > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 9:20 AM > To: Edward Crabbe > Cc: Nick Feamster; Thomas Nadeau; SDN IRTF list > Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined > Networking Research Group (sdnrg) > > Thnx, fixed...--dmm > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Edward Crabbe wrote: > > With one correction: I'm going to be presenting on optimization > algos for > > inter-DC TE, not ephemeral state in datacenters. ^_^ > > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:31 AM, David Meyer wrote: > >> > >> All, > >> > >> Please find attached the draft agenda for our meeting in Vancouver. > I > >> want to thank everyone who proposed talks; there just wasn't time to > >> accept them all and still leave time to discuss the charter of the > RG. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sdn mailing list > >> sdn@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn _______________________________________________ sdn mailing list sdn@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From robert@raszuk.net Fri Jul 20 21:57:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2F321F84BD for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8XOAHVfE+NWq for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1310.opentransfer.com (mail1310.opentransfer.com [76.162.254.103]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F6C21F84BF for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26822 invoked by uid 399); 21 Jul 2012 04:58:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.77.83.75?) (pbs:robert@raszuk.net@72.254.37.55) by mail1310.opentransfer.com with ESMTPM; 21 Jul 2012 04:58:36 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 72.254.37.55 Message-ID: <500A36FA.9050504@raszuk.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:58:34 +0200 From: Robert Raszuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Nadeau References: <9A137DB2-681C-4379-B826-731882428509@lucidvision.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645029490@dfweml506-mbx> <5F703BE1-0DDA-4028-A7AC-37A1A67796EC@tid.es> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F64502A815@dfweml506-mbx> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: SDN IRTF list , Tina TSOU , Linda Dunbar , David Meyer , Nick Feamster , Crabbe Edward , "Diego R. Lopez" Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for the Proposed Software Defined Networking Research Group (sdnrg) X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: robert@raszuk.net List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:57:42 -0000 Tom, So you prefer to spend time on charter rather then discuss proposals ? Very interesting in the light of the below comment from Lars just few days ago: "I'd think that it would be useful to plan and hold this meeting as if the research group were already chartered, i.e., focus on presenting and discussing research topics (rather than charter text, as we often do on the IETF side.) Charter text is much less important for us than in the IETF, because we have no short-term deliverables." Best, R. > > Please raise this during the charter discussion, which we've allocated quite a bit of time for. > > --Tom