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X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:29:08 -0000 http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/sdnrg/IETF84/ Zoltan. ________________________________________ From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Mcdysan, Dav= id E [dave.mcdysan@verizon.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:25 AM To: sdn@irtf.org Subject: [Sdn] Where are the slides for today's session posted? _______________________________________________ sdn mailing list sdn@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn= From bob.briscoe@bt.com Wed Aug 1 16:59:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32BE11E80F1 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pliZ1pQrBMyS for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpe1.intersmtp.com (smtp63.intersmtp.com [62.239.224.236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0CA11E809B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EVHUB71-UKRD.domain1.systemhost.net (10.36.3.154) by RDW083A007ED63.smtp-e3.hygiene.service (10.187.98.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.0; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:59:44 +0100 Received: from E07HT05-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net (193.113.197.167) by EVHUB71-UKRD.domain1.systemhost.net (10.36.3.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.298.4; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:59:45 +0100 Received: from EMV04-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([169.254.1.122]) by E07HT05-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.167]) with mapi; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:59:44 +0100 From: To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 00:59:28 +0100 Thread-Topic: Formal Specification to include boot process? Thread-Index: AQHNcEGv5QGz8dLp6UmvBbgr86eUrQ== Message-ID: <69ACA3A4BA39B0499C1917FB0718BB254BE747BBA8@EMV04-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_69ACA3A4BA39B0499C1917FB0718BB254BE747BBA8EMV04UKBRdoma_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: sdn@irtf.org Subject: [Sdn] Formal Specification to include boot process? X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:59:52 -0000 --_000_69ACA3A4BA39B0499C1917FB0718BB254BE747BBA8EMV04UKBRdoma_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Myung-Ki & co-authors, If time had permitted, I would have asked this question from the floor just= now, but the list is next best... I imagine the formal specification problem is hard enough without consideri= ng boot time, but I'm interested in how and whether a network can boot afte= r various failures of individual nodes (and secondarily, whether it could g= o through a vulnerable state while booting). I don't know much about the limitations of these specfication languages, bu= t you sound like you do. Do you think this would be possible? If you're int= erested in taking up this challenge, that would be cool. Bob --_000_69ACA3A4BA39B0499C1917FB0718BB254BE747BBA8EMV04UKBRdoma_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Myung-K= i & co-authors,

If time had permitted, I would have asked this question from the floor just= now, but the list is next best...

I imagine the formal specification problem is hard enough without consideri= ng boot time, but I'm interested in how and whether a network can boot afte= r various failures of individual nodes (and secondarily, whether it could g= o through a vulnerable state while booting).

I don't know much about the limitations of these specfication languages, bu= t you sound like you do. Do you think this would be possible? If you're int= erested in taking up this challenge, that would be cool.



Bob
--_000_69ACA3A4BA39B0499C1917FB0718BB254BE747BBA8EMV04UKBRdoma_-- From dmm@1-4-5.net Thu Aug 2 09:22:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23D011E80F1 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:22:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.468 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.468 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.710, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SeyV9UkIfzTS for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D1C11E80E9 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so18078022obb.13 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:22:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=6BTw+nVPD0T0PaVNed0aW/1OCtUlBBMG0xO+T3qL0zY=; b=c+etVVD2R6mGUYtcmaavBNBkI0PTyOaWyF5ei/1XpOd9dGehvElan+sJl5ZOIXOkZC 6Q5DGA2SYvBeEhWpMSrDKE4okmE4i+erlJJi+YnQJWclVWoDePZriiV72D+AcwHMFhsf gg0Zkj/FEvTeZ5wpob/F+7P9XoaCCRev3DshdNtpfzjvFspXLyC0it3PSIRVaDnh9Fnv vIC67Y4hFW4FOLwMEGVkLPgCczEAs/dF48tPJiJ8QpI0+b4Ik7AO/wmu6Rnb9ZmMbm0M 4bHcXokqs6RnVgBd3vXEnqXqpMiQKjpFvfdk+NG8W/ahAF6JdwUmcBdcMUvzq8vetqQy pkyg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.117.71 with SMTP id kc7mr37826903obb.62.1343924524452; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.130.129 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:22:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [130.129.84.233] Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:22:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: sdn@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkCP/57wD/Z72YtAp8zmknCiHqXXj+W0jCluDoPB3JNs/FP2AJWJ0nf7pi65st1xH5CGRP3 Subject: [Sdn] SDNRG IRTF Wiki updated X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:22:05 -0000 Please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/sdnrg. Thanks to Tom Nadeau for taking minutes. 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[130.129.22.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m7sm4993857oef.1.2012.08.02.10.16.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Myung-Ki Shin" To: , References: <69ACA3A4BA39B0499C1917FB0718BB254BE747BBA8@EMV04-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> In-Reply-To: <69ACA3A4BA39B0499C1917FB0718BB254BE747BBA8@EMV04-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 02:16:28 +0900 Message-ID: <00a601cd70d2$8f2ebb60$ad8c3220$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHNcEGv5QGz8dLp6UmvBbgr86eUrZdGuMzw Content-Language: ko Cc: sdn@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Sdn] Formal Specification to include boot process? X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:16:35 -0000 Hi Bob, Yes, we are also considering that kinds of boot time (?) issues if I understand your question correctly. Basically, the formally verifiable networking platform may depend on proposed SDN architecture, because it would be placed on the top of SDN controllers, normally. In this sense, we are now assuming that SDN controllers can gather the number of individual network nodes' information/states in real-time (e.g., failure as you mentioned) from e.g., northbound interfaces, and SNMP, etc. So, we can possibly specify and verify that kinds of desired properties using semantics to eliminate boot time failures, for example, in case that even SDN apps are running in real time for dynamic network topology or resources updates. Of course, it may be very hard enough in large scaled, real-time/critical networks. If you have any other further issues, please let us know. It could be very helpful to us to take up this challenge. Thanks, Myung-Ki, From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of bob.briscoe@bt.com Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:59 AM To: draft-shin-sdn-formal-specification@tools.ietf.org Cc: sdn@irtf.org Subject: [Sdn] Formal Specification to include boot process? Myung-Ki & co-authors, If time had permitted, I would have asked this question from the floor just now, but the list is next best... I imagine the formal specification problem is hard enough without considering boot time, but I'm interested in how and whether a network can boot after various failures of individual nodes (and secondarily, whether it could go through a vulnerable state while booting). I don't know much about the limitations of these specfication languages, but you sound like you do. Do you think this would be possible? If you're interested in taking up this challenge, that would be cool. 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X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:23:42 -0000 If you will be going to SIGCOMM please unicast to me. If we have a critical mass we might consider getting together there. 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Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:19:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PALLENE.office.hd ([169.254.1.252]) by ENCELADUS.office.hd ([192.168.24.52]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:13:19 +0200 From: Dirk Kutscher To: David Meyer , "sdn@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [Sdn] SDNRG IRTF Wiki updated Thread-Index: AQHNcMsEftmkpDHxak6pVroL4pTccJdM6SZw Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:13:19 +0000 Message-ID: <82AB329A76E2484D934BBCA77E9F5249329FDB25@PALLENE.office.hd> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.2.204] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Sdn] SDNRG IRTF Wiki updated X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:13:10 -0000 Dave, Thanks, looks good. If the last paragraph is intended to capture my comment (I think it is), th= en we should s/Jeff/Dirk/. Thanks, Dirk > -----Original Message----- > From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of > David Meyer > Sent: Donnerstag, 2. August 2012 18:22 > To: sdn@irtf.org > Subject: [Sdn] SDNRG IRTF Wiki updated >=20 > Please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/sdnrg. > Thanks to Tom Nadeau for taking minutes. >=20 > Thnx, >=20 > --dmm > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From dmm@1-4-5.net Thu Aug 9 07:35:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A8B21F86A0 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:35:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RpyJ6su9X281 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F23E21F86AF for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qaat11 with SMTP id t11so277370qaa.13 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 07:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=vVo62ZewUH95yg4Ga5kihtm1Yx/GGMyOXDf9IkXx+Kc=; b=IMpvAlvK3oLj3/OTClxD4R5Tw//lj+qhL3tC8bQTbipCHxshMNA5hr4cQNDxDbXmvt pZR/CaJMGSE5Rrm9hzS+DYrJYisCPrH5va5F/C1Ia8i70DQsjFACbEmaUOIVPsKzwD2Y 1+5g1AJ21n+BVo+Yv+n7G7aGlncauppcyPwwdptEDCQjl7vGRQf529PgK2/AlsND0ng0 IM0NmOHbKHGv/KLKlBcIxDjiHKecOqSBrPLmREbIb8k6GS8yV9Kd9blelgjfkVsgSZhV 3GfuTTUNeNwezYWTrw6mo2znDGX59MTPxUPLGwKEsGVeS5voQfvbZJ2YJ6UDvf7ZLHSm oVlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.7.133 with SMTP id j5mr36089389oea.8.1344522927645; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.75.6 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:35:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:468:d01:9c::80df:9c75] Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:35:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: SDN IRTF list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm0ZaI6k1XQhi4vGk+xGqiVuvLszxK5URtqS1ZybqG5KKYHdoTJULAZyJTQy+CgY1UP4Tk+ Subject: [Sdn] for those of you who are going to SIGCOMM... X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:35:29 -0000 Folks, I've been trying to find a time when we can meet during SIGCOMM. The best day seems to be Monday prior to the meeting. Please unicast me as to whether you can meet on Monday. If we get critical mass I'll get a room for us. Thanks, --dmm From robert@raszuk.net Thu Aug 9 08:06:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545FD21F868A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:06:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l+7vfFEsT8k5 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1310.opentransfer.com (mail1310.opentransfer.com [76.162.254.103]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4665C21F8687 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22977 invoked by uid 399); 9 Aug 2012 15:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.91?) (pbs:robert@raszuk.net@83.31.196.38) by mail1310.opentransfer.com with ESMTPM; 9 Aug 2012 15:07:13 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 83.31.196.38 Message-ID: <5023D1E2.6000606@raszuk.net> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:06:10 +0200 From: Robert Raszuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Meyer References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] for those of you who are going to SIGCOMM... X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: robert@raszuk.net List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:06:15 -0000 David, Monday HotSDN starts at 9:00 and lasts till 18:00. What time do you have in mind when you say "prior to to the meeting" ? R. > Folks, > > I've been trying to find a time when we can meet during SIGCOMM. The > best day seems to be Monday prior to the meeting. Please unicast me as > to whether you can meet on Monday. If we get critical mass I'll get a > room for us. > > Thanks, > > --dmm > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > > From beckmann@Brocade.com Thu Aug 9 10:03:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBC821F8782 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:03:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.844 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.844 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ay3VGMubAJCb for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com (mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com [67.231.152.113]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AA121F8780 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0000700 [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q79H0ATY014716 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:03:06 -0700 Received: from hq1wp-exhub02.corp.brocade.com ([144.49.131.13]) by mx0b-000f0801.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 16m03brf6r-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 10:03:06 -0700 Received: from HQ1-EXCH02.corp.brocade.com ([fe80::c92a:772e:befa:c34c]) by HQ1WP-EXHUB02.corp.brocade.com ([fe80::e1f4:a4c8:696b:3780%10]) with mapi; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:03:05 -0700 From: Curt Beckmann To: "sdn@irtf.org" Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:03:04 -0700 Thread-Topic: I apologize Thread-Index: Ac12UNdJNWZFK4jTT823yTcshGYM5Q== Message-ID: <3F73AF37684DDD44903405EE90ADDCB001D619F557E2@HQ1-EXCH02.corp.brocade.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_3F73AF37684DDD44903405EE90ADDCB001D619F557E2HQ1EXCH02co_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-09_04:2012-08-09, 2012-08-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1207200000 definitions=main-1208090172 Subject: [Sdn] I apologize X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:03:10 -0000 --_004_3F73AF37684DDD44903405EE90ADDCB001D619F557E2HQ1EXCH02co_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3F73AF37684DDD44903405EE90ADDCB001D619F557E2HQ1EXCH02co_" --_000_3F73AF37684DDD44903405EE90ADDCB001D619F557E2HQ1EXCH02co_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear SDN Research Community, I'm writing this note to apologize for including an image (on my slide abou= t switch models) in my SDNRG presentation at IETF84. I am new to IETF even= ts and what I thought would be amusing was instead offensive to many, and I= certainly did not mean to offend. I assure you all that I will use better= judgment in any future presentation opportunities. In addition, I'm pleas= ed to inform you that the image will be removed from the posted slides. Regards, Curt Curt Beckmann Principal Architect Brocade 120 Holger Way, San Jose, CA 95134 T . +1.408.333.0938 M. +1.408.368.0410 www.brocade.com [cid:image001.gif@01CD7616.2AEA7920] --_000_3F73AF37684DDD44903405EE90ADDCB001D619F557E2HQ1EXCH02co_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear SDN Research Community,

I’m writing this note to apologize for including = an image (on my slide about switch models) in my SDNRG presentation at IETF= 84.  I am new to IETF events and what I thought would be amusing was i= nstead offensive to many, and I certainly did not mean to offend.  I a= ssure you all that I will use better judgment in any future presentation op= portunities.  In addition, I’m pleased to inform you that the im= age will be removed from the posted slides.

Regards,

Curt

 

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120 Holger Way, San Jose, CA 95134
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Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:11:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wmCbcG+HMBr8 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nk11p03mm-asmtpout001.mac.com (nk11p03mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.232.236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCB411E808E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:11:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from christianm-sslvpn-nc.jnpr.net (natint3.juniper.net [66.129.224.36]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M8K00KAI5J5TW20@nk11p03mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for sdn@irtf.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:11:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-10_06:2012-08-10, 2012-08-10, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=3 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208100252 From: Christian Martin In-reply-to: <5023D1E2.6000606@raszuk.net> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:11:28 -0400 Message-id: References: <5023D1E2.6000606@raszuk.net> To: robert@raszuk.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1280) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:21:51 -0700 Cc: David Meyer , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] for those of you who are going to SIGCOMM... X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:11:33 -0000 +1 I'll be there, but are you thinking Sunday? Or at 8:00 AM? C On Aug 9, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Robert Raszuk wrote: > David, > > Monday HotSDN starts at 9:00 and lasts till 18:00. What time do you have in mind when you say "prior to to the meeting" ? > > R. > >> Folks, >> >> I've been trying to find a time when we can meet during SIGCOMM. The >> best day seems to be Monday prior to the meeting. Please unicast me as >> to whether you can meet on Monday. If we get critical mass I'll get a >> room for us. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --dmm >> _______________________________________________ >> sdn mailing list >> sdn@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From dmm@1-4-5.net Mon Aug 13 00:28:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F49121F857D for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:28:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FAmizfNqeq7G for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9045C21F8569 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnuNKKsuTqWnvVm+oh+XHGUcDy7o8hf+VdJFyUd3CJx4FzI8O/4t554Xxjp6srxVBVpIjHP Subject: [Sdn] HotSDN papers on line X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:28:05 -0000 In case you haven't seen these: http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2012/hotsdn.php --dmm From esteve@cpqd.com.br Mon Aug 13 01:10:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6987421F85A5 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.488 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.488 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0AFw0FyENAD for ; 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(+55 19) 8193-7087 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:28 AM, David Meyer wrote: > In case you haven't seen these: > http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2012/hotsdn.php > > --dmm > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From rob.sherwood@bigswitch.com Mon Aug 13 01:27:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8619F21F8512 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:27:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y7mj5WcvX-r2 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B665321F8501 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vcbgb22 with SMTP id gb22so4172973vcb.13 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:27:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=hzWmsaljaLVQBeK+tsRaBphE2RnXVyAC5v9D1Tju7DU=; b=lXCJoAN72SF3zIgzwiQkm+vCD50eTI5htctgVVsblA6EBTMBRsJ6f8EymYKurXDOiU Jvs6E0mfvRwaEdEdpIeNZkIvs/TgTh1j/GBYh/a7r/IkiEJFJUFGvNxdfqYj3rkvoFsQ Iyxi4qZgESYLqM/rItPIUvDROx0Ep7KuE7Sqzftb4ey2Ay70or+echnqvv9XGo2r9S6q ZOutNCpqjVixzROILcFGc+WIEvHjvh42rMDBmM9HY8c8x8y4EpyprI/LKC30313l1ZlV j1vcYg2WgnZ2+e86zc07sfhYmUdS/plQKVHattsdlZea4ceNkegiB8GMPeZjMaXt4YEz AmRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.26.104 with SMTP id k8mr5354711vdg.79.1344846460919; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.248.161 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:27:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:27:40 +0300 Message-ID: From: Rob Sherwood To: Christian Esteve Rothenberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHmBlS96kpaykMNmqbikBsvoVFvol1DtObUr7vWBT54WR5PIY8C04Wd7+DKkHaLVvoeajq Cc: David Meyer , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] HotSDN papers on line X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:27:42 -0000 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Christian Esteve Rothenberg wrote: > Plus live stream: > http://weblite.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/sigcomm2012.jsp Did we ever set on a meetup time? Or did it happen already :-( - Rob . From dmm@1-4-5.net Mon Aug 13 01:29:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E223521F86D7 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:29:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IIUHQE-S-DQc for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BC821F86D6 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so8843949obb.13 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:29:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=mc+2HPjBUxu/Iuu+XU5Bf9Bm2nAoL+5U/4estaWiIUo=; b=JUI/Ttr1ZGA3bUKoA1pooBHJ+h8reBo7GnnhQYqhHTAJrZpIHxWZxLhNV6UedQq2h/ 7nEvuLPnNb8AYXUTkfjU0uonU82jb62pceckX7xf11Z3y52DsSKKF56Cj9GnTAh13AAp 0CFTN+iZrXtJws8IdVlY/TTTQXaun7Yd+WE+Dt1cQPjAFsBE2cqn3ti/LmaBtNfFP4+F yLcN1RX0OEEtK+eElSq+9ohqi817FLLc6SGOlrvJ2t257AwCcx/JYVppCDuUJI+5kG2X CAMfu5rFc2M/xCVsHW+H/lgAk1vVoQYIFsU3AH5mY/4l1Vi9T7+AzKiT3qIE3ENJhSaH ZK3w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.218.37 with SMTP id pd5mr10091493obc.24.1344846545845; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.75.6 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:29:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [193.184.126.114] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:29:05 +0200 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: Rob Sherwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm6wnRsaTl8ebyq1BDxYqaLhFUDph4EcdsmyYisAvfjqrKp/kdaZQjDYiTYt6vjqIVCBPzp Cc: SDN IRTF list , Christian Esteve Rothenberg Subject: Re: [Sdn] HotSDN papers on line X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:29:07 -0000 I couldn't find a time that worked for everyone so I suggest that we meet informally where we can. --dmm On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Rob Sherwood wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Christian Esteve Rothenberg > wrote: >> Plus live stream: >> http://weblite.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/sigcomm2012.jsp > > Did we ever set on a meetup time? Or did it happen already :-( > > - Rob > .