From dmm@1-4-5.net Mon Jul 1 07:57:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592B311E8203 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:57:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WzzEvJNC14Km for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFE611E8129 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i4so4925630oah.38 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 07:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=a4+3586l6xSFB2n+KvIm5LZ9t6XORMGLnIwqaiuzKaQ=; b=EMiYuQab+UdDlBxDJyg62yfNKdKs4qT4f+ow96HfLTiGekbce3bsOeUQvPz5hm4elQ L9dhpkozXtCx5SYKnkagslE+XOgtGD1j51Akm7lQ/jFFsQXow85dq+VW/xvBp/32Jyv2 k1YctidBYloqH+6F/1dHBCihacgRwaheprXJZhz9IZB337gzAD5D2e+Dw7sqZmNu+QIl +/WcJsCbBnHM5at2vKg7VwJoDC2P7Qfmr9lPR2NgF0ZCDQfH8nn0fsz+1Mp1mplHHKlF 9nO8VS3Bqj02bWvBMOoUA754FCyXoW37IkMJNdb1C9Yr/4j579ZyWDQgJoMFgm8i45oL ePnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.80.5 with SMTP id n5mr10592845obx.88.1372690648059; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.114.34 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.223.156.253] Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:57:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: SDN IRTF list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkl+z0cl5uRowxcNOroXtlgrlIrNOP1z2FOi6hZAXsQA5r47I5uMYAd0gpzrId2ES8Q5OWl Cc: Nick Feamster Subject: [Sdn] draft SDNRG agenda for IETF 86/Berlin X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 14:57:35 -0000 Please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/sdnrg Thnx, --dmm From dmm@1-4-5.net Mon Jul 1 08:08:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56E511E81B0 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:08:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PXIaVimqotev for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25ED11E8160 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n10so5069905oag.28 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 08:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=mYJ/LPWawkM+w1JS/cOO5lU2Q1FQrjAkQWReBfZl/TM=; b=prly0Fkzj4ji3ZnktpednDQV5DParqLmkUFWj5ub9lcqblATLlLVudh5w1GEzKXaaA +41ykzJfPd9sXlEI4ew6c7BDRNJa3Yv+9DJV6Km8bKQbQBFFx7GOu4VvLM7vuZMjFEM8 sMiki0HhMnrA8qLWDmFfTskETCyPISHbT86e9TDZFv0zQXuw97OAy3Cubry2TxryDGfI YocRPZfwA5hHbK2jqRiYb3Rx+SM3MKciDezG18rk5FeHqbTfsg6zut9ms1hxUSMKn/15 fBjnX0VkVnvpNDMc4uAQvYf+UVxzmwkN33WTF0m9JoHjqihfI/ZXj2fjuEX9Z0o411wI YU0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.62.238 with SMTP id b14mr9779172oes.90.1372691300504; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 08:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.114.34 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.223.156.253] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:08:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: SDN IRTF list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkuCnYCYYWO7ijzG0sbfgc3Away/X+UO2MByDoUgsesVQUZpJ8Vlb0aHj95uq9GV/BsmVyD Cc: Nick Feamster Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft SDNRG agenda for IETF 86/Berlin X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:08:25 -0000 Thanks all for reminding me what year this is :-) ... Make that IETF 87...--dmm On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:57 AM, David Meyer wrote: > Please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/sdnrg > > Thnx, > > --dmm From christian.jacquenet@orange.com Mon Jul 1 08:18:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADCE11E81EB for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:18:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.627 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.627 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.621, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UmfwxJhoqULB for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329BC11E81BE for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm05.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.1]) by omfedm09.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id F33882DC43E; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PUEXCH71.nanterre.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.101.44.33]) by omfedm05.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id C686535C065; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.8]) by PUEXCH71.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.33]) with mapi; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:18:24 +0200 From: To: David Meyer , SDN IRTF list Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:18:23 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Sdn] draft SDNRG agenda for IETF 86/Berlin Thread-Index: Ac52bNmb7rQntMbKQu+ZFkG7RJDJQAAAUIRQ Message-ID: <32478_1372691904_51D19DC0_32478_6051_2_983A1D8DA0DA5F4EB747BF34CBEE5CD15C435E9717@PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2013.7.1.81520 Cc: Nick Feamster Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft SDNRG agenda for IETF 86/Berlin X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:18:30 -0000 Dave, Nick, If possible, please consider the allocation of a 10-min slot for http://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-sin-sdnrg-sdn-approach-03, which I'll be presenting. Thanks, Christian. -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] De la part de Dav= id Meyer Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 1 juillet 2013 17:08 =C0=A0: SDN IRTF list Cc=A0: Nick Feamster Objet=A0: Re: [Sdn] draft SDNRG agenda for IETF 86/Berlin Thanks all for reminding me what year this is :-) ... Make that IETF 87...-= -dmm On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:57 AM, David Meyer wrote: > Please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/sdnrg > > Thnx, > > --dmm _______________________________________________ sdn mailing list sdn@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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From dmm@1-4-5.net Mon Jul 1 08:25:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D849111E8202 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:25:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y-be98OsJtgU for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDD611E818D for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n10so5078618oag.0 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 08:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=zNcxn0fA8nZSfk6+9H/PLHagQfGhxUCKTy84bkI95Rc=; b=nFwHVnipKuAec/gpd2iNd4cntFcCUS2omvqqBzJyOEdaSGlswxO5sBxfztWDtWrrIx Ai7SP7sV4XAdAMUzzWRUCj7H0qjUuwCliiVKOj+v3pe7iUWdoiR1TXjYDL/HQwpQGe4C n774786EFnPpOyNwVuYUwoeZ6Y16887n6NKBfJ3RUpgQdKkivlnwxXMzFdMe1njDjMFq 6a2Fjkoqz8hEQXxkw15r9F0vsf5zTeM817UBqnG9wdcwjxd2HYe8fZ8uU/kTkgAZdmn8 Wc2X8nH8uAgZasL3Os6henjNYjDOlvu3CcBRrUJb6j3WiheHI+VR6hLhaJsq7RfAyMMA LsRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.186.66 with SMTP id fi2mr703432obc.98.1372692313832; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 08:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.114.34 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.223.156.253] In-Reply-To: <32478_1372691904_51D19DC0_32478_6051_2_983A1D8DA0DA5F4EB747BF34CBEE5CD15C435E9717@PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <32478_1372691904_51D19DC0_32478_6051_2_983A1D8DA0DA5F4EB747BF34CBEE5CD15C435E9717@PUEXCB1C.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:25:13 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: christian.jacquenet@orange.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlSjZh7/3cARuuQ54GK9WHGaEDXGnZ1b7VuqpELhz5zeADgr3b6Mij2js3DI8DBwTrwhDja Cc: Nick Feamster , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft SDNRG agenda for IETF 86/Berlin X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:25:19 -0000 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:18 AM, wrote: > Dave, Nick, > > If possible, please consider the allocation of a 10-min slot for http://t= ools.ietf.org/html/draft-sin-sdnrg-sdn-approach-03, which I'll be presentin= g. Done. --dmm > > Thanks, > > Christian. > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] De la part de Dav= id Meyer > Envoy=E9 : lundi 1 juillet 2013 17:08 > =C0 : SDN IRTF list > Cc : Nick Feamster > Objet : Re: [Sdn] draft SDNRG agenda for IETF 86/Berlin > > Thanks all for reminding me what year this is :-) ... Make that IETF 87..= .--dmm > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:57 AM, David Meyer wrote: >> Please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/sdnrg >> >> Thnx, >> >> --dmm > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged i= nformation that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and de= lete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have bee= n modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > From Peter.AshwoodSmith@huawei.com Wed Jul 3 08:31:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46AB11E81AA for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6QNxzv3SaSep for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1CA11E81E1 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BTB17660; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 07:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from DFWEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.131) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.7; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:31:40 -0700 Received: from dfweml513-mbb.china.huawei.com ([169.254.15.169]) by dfweml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.131]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.007; Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:31:35 -0700 From: AshwoodsmithPeter To: "status@ietf.org" , SDN IRTF list Thread-Topic: SDN state reduction with Source Routing - draft-ashwood-sdnrg-state-reduction-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHOeAJm2+IvoYiqy0ae+NVyLdDIBA== Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 15:31:34 +0000 Message-ID: <7AE6A4247B044C4ABE0A5B6BF427F8E209889417@dfweml513-mbb.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.193.60.101] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [Sdn] SDN state reduction with Source Routing - draft-ashwood-sdnrg-state-reduction-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:31:54 -0000 FYI - relevant to STATUS and SDN IRTF. Cheers, Peter A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : SDN State Reduction Author(s) : Peter Ashwood-Smith Mourad Soliman Tao Wan Filename : Pages : 23 Date : 2013-07-03 Abstract: This document makes the argument that to support the centralized control of a substantial number of forwarding devices (as Software Defined Networking (SDN) proposes) that the scale, speed, cost and general quality of such a solution will be improved by reducing the state needed to be distributed into the network of devices by the controller(s). To this end we re-visit forms of Source Routing (SR), in particular Strict Link Source Routing (SLSR) and suggest that light weight SLSR could allow substantial reduction in controller burden while potentially reducing the costs/complexity on forwarding devices. We discuss some simulation results that demonstrate these advantages and how the advantages grow substantially as the network diameter grows. We also look at various implementation possibilities including existing IPV4, V6, MPLS, new/modified MPLS vs. something brand new that could possibly be implemented with new SDN technology like Protocol Oblivious Forwarding-POF. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ashwood-sdnrg-state-reduction There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ashwood-sdnrg-state-reduction-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From ehalep@gmail.com Tue Jul 16 04:28:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B8A11E8274 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:28:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pd1E9zCgZGKc for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-x233.google.com (mail-ee0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4013:c00::233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C860211E81C6 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f51.google.com with SMTP id e52so308181eek.10 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:28:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=vNyyVyzU30cRaEibddtNgeaWGc+58eL5RvCSosPaopc=; b=l4U3fBYuv94k/dGR9W1riLRfaTu5v+gcQ0zj5SdxONSEDBgqlWljcmnhOmI2RPMbRF V1O4AvLC9v9vfkr9BMdvHksxcQfc1oppL4Twe457uxdv9rGsBnwlI4yq0SkIg2F52X5v rF1F1bbviGPZazW5Wn4jJhWtFqPt+YIdt9ye0OkZj6ZJEU8ODTtPdE7KJVjTPOAa9guK fia915EqbyY0+vTxFrqvie+LU+6pNZEfeFSo5HnsHnXl7IpfoNj+wl9ZX/8TIe1qCbET dAKgWerP+oD7jtKrR9VrDlLvnTbIZ4EAa1UxA4v+G1faOehN3OXDFnB4ck4zZPngBUbL unMw== X-Received: by 10.14.177.8 with SMTP id c8mr1118449eem.93.1373974081857; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EhalepXPS (ppp141237239241.access.hol.gr. [141.237.239.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cg12sm1941286eeb.7.2013.07.16.04.27.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Haleplidis Evangelos" To: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:27:56 +0300 Message-ID: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac6BlheF+TjXZElZRpCyV9kDxvSzvwAgB4FQ Content-Language: el Subject: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:28:03 -0000 Greetings to all, =20 We have submitted the following draft regarding layer taxonomy for SDN. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:34 PM > To: Spyros Denazis; Odysseas Koufopavlou; Kostas Pentikousis; = Evangelos > Haleplidis; Jamal Hadi Salim > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer- > terminology-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Evangelos Haleplidis and posted to > the IETF repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology > Revision: 00 > Title: SDN Layers and Architecture Terminology > Creation date: 2013-07-15 > Group: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 13 > URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminol= ogy-00.txt > Status: = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology > Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > Software-Defined Networking introduces an abstraction layer and by > doing so separates the Forwarding from the Control layer. This > separation can allow faster innovation cycles at both layers as > experience has already shown. However, there is increasing > confusion > as to what exactly SDN is, what is the layer stucture in an SDN > architecture and how do layers interface with each other. This > document aims to provide a concise reference for future discussions > in SDNRG. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat From dmm@1-4-5.net Tue Jul 16 07:28:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2BC21F9CB1 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:28:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id koBiz2qgS5dS for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AF311E80D7 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id eh20so793258obb.39 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:27:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=uT3aS+oWxXPixGdvt9ENu/TWYINNlFtTKV6kJF+jKF4=; b=BeQZt5CcLTaFaEX7I1pqLY8bgoQ6M/rGlyztFx9z2zTXPDnGq47z5bXPYGrcsESg2D 82NN5VkSE8z8OTEO8DsQrfOviVhgaC6/kM4RYqLJBuzu69oUoS4B5aQEjv+uCoC8Le55 EWoiz3xPOx4yrLa52bTi5BPE+bB9BbYcDb7nbmJVCwmOpYKioUH6H0TWuVo58sOeWb6C gbdNDz4VmcqoY1670VtHk/8Y+EzHdr/wWyfCb3N2BQEY19mJ5h/BpZEntGr3TiN7+3+m /7yrJ+L7Dn+vSFcuTr7jV0uuVtd3wZgDV1OkcAKZqXUW3U2EsW0T43cWlmcTq9AhqUyE vmVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.237.107 with SMTP id vb11mr41167obc.84.1373984869740; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.31.68 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:27:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:468:d01:9c::80df:9cfd] In-Reply-To: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> References: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:27:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: Haleplidis Evangelos Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=e89a8ff1cd6a1686df04e1a1c80a X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlY/qMwR+AA01GSG/IZH9Nur1JiYiw4fqIjtn/OUESwzWju7FUcaa3D//PMSukQTmvksufK Cc: sdn@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:28:46 -0000 --e89a8ff1cd6a1686df04e1a1c80a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Evangelos, Nice start. Search for dmm> in-line in the attached for my comments. Among other things I'll just note here that there is a terminology skew with the OpenDaylight project and the use of Service Abstraction Layer (or SAL). See http://www.opendaylight.org/project/technical-overview. Thanks, --dmm On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Haleplidis Evangelos wrote: > Greetings to all, > > We have submitted the following draft regarding layer taxonomy for SDN. > Comments and suggestions are welcome. > > Regards, > Evangelos Haleplidis. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:34 PM >> To: Spyros Denazis; Odysseas Koufopavlou; Kostas Pentikousis; Evangelos >> Haleplidis; Jamal Hadi Salim >> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer- >> terminology-00.txt >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Evangelos Haleplidis and posted to >> the IETF repository. >> >> Filename: draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology >> Revision: 00 >> Title: SDN Layers and Architecture Terminology >> Creation date: 2013-07-15 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Number of pages: 13 >> URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt >> Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology >> Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00 >> >> >> Abstract: >> Software-Defined Networking introduces an abstraction layer and by >> doing so separates the Forwarding from the Control layer. 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b=W/kPrzrZrqgSk4K8IawjORYKdDylLmPbSTouOH2gVNhLbaerJ1DqmJlLfuA/+YbmSe mGYsHav9JVxB3WRo43jnN9V4zCSZxf+WN77v5pstlfT7Ud7ns0toUoDwB/79RzDEJI1R 2C7c9HrfKo3RFft4Fy0hJLBi5BUkuq/Tr3S8El2W+UMcbq5jjUY62lLuASKjc95818eB r8QICEnrLQyBq4ved3EC/yuwFfT/OXSBGqSoFkK2tmD51BxPVlNYBGHnZRzlRBw7Oz1w ypg4Xg2lmgorITKHQwZhuCb69rsWBLJl59R3On6048igf2xwHARLqpAWk5JpdZpMOmx2 Y/gQ== X-Received: by 10.52.177.6 with SMTP id cm6mr472002vdc.0.1373985606595; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:40:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.247.197 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:39:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:39:46 -0400 Message-ID: To: David Meyer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cc1a020a9f04e1a1f455 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkWUnETW8w6pRlL92TWrlWSEwrGzDijuI0p/5E2YBwk7vcSitepm5HNyd4BbZ6M5L4rYI41 Cc: Haleplidis Evangelos , "sdn@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:40:12 -0000 --20cf3071cc1a020a9f04e1a1f455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dave, I think the usage of Service Layer in the opendaylight diagram does not look correct if you are going to be using that interface talk to control protocol abstractions. What you have there is a control abstraction layer. OTOH, I see what you label as "OpenDaylight APIs" are a service layer abstraction. Could you please call out ForCES in your diagram? We need the visibility. cheers, jamal On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:27 AM, David Meyer wrote: > Evangelos, > > Nice start. Search for dmm> in-line in the attached for my comments. > Among other things I'll just note here that there is a terminology > skew with the OpenDaylight project and the use of Service Abstraction > Layer (or SAL). See > http://www.opendaylight.org/project/technical-overview. > > Thanks, > > --dmm > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Haleplidis Evangelos > wrote: > > Greetings to all, > > > > We have submitted the following draft regarding layer taxonomy for SDN. > > Comments and suggestions are welcome. > > > > Regards, > > Evangelos Haleplidis. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > >> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:34 PM > >> To: Spyros Denazis; Odysseas Koufopavlou; Kostas Pentikousis; Evangelos > >> Haleplidis; Jamal Hadi Salim > >> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer- > >> terminology-00.txt > >> > >> > >> A new version of I-D, draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt > >> has been successfully submitted by Evangelos Haleplidis and posted to > >> the IETF repository. > >> > >> Filename: draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology > >> Revision: 00 > >> Title: SDN Layers and Architecture Terminology > >> Creation date: 2013-07-15 > >> Group: Individual Submission > >> Number of pages: 13 > >> URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt > >> Status: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology > >> Htmlized: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00 > >> > >> > >> Abstract: > >> Software-Defined Networking introduces an abstraction layer and by > >> doing so separates the Forwarding from the Control layer. This > >> separation can allow faster innovation cycles at both layers as > >> experience has already shown. However, there is increasing > >> confusion > >> as to what exactly SDN is, what is the layer stucture in an SDN > >> architecture and how do layers interface with each other. This > >> document aims to provide a concise reference for future discussions > >> in SDNRG. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The IETF Secretariat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sdn mailing list > > sdn@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > > --20cf3071cc1a020a9f04e1a1f455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,

I think the usage of Service Laye= r in the opendaylight
diagram does not look correct if you are go= ing to be using that
interface talk to control protocol abstracti= ons. What you have=A0
there is a control abstraction layer.
OTOH, I see what you l= abel as "OpenDaylight APIs" are a service layer
abstrac= tion.

Could you please call out ForCES in your dia= gram? We need the
visibility.

cheers,
jamal



On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:27 AM, David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net> wrote:
Evangelos,

Nice start. Search for dmm> in-line in the attached for my comments.
Among other things I'll just note here that there is a terminology
skew with the OpenDaylight project and the use of Service Abstraction
Layer (or SAL). See
http://www.opendaylight.org/project/technical-overview.

Thanks,

--dmm


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Haleplidis Evangelos <ehalep@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings to all,
>
> We have submitted the following draft regarding layer taxonomy for SDN= .
> Comments and suggestions are welcome.
>
> Regards,
> Evangelos Haleplidis.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: internet-drafts@= ietf.org [mailto:internet-d= rafts@ietf.org]
>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:34 PM
>> To: Spyros Denazis; Odysseas Koufopavlou; Kostas Pentikousis; Evan= gelos
>> Haleplidis; Jamal Hadi Salim
>> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer= -
>> terminology-00.txt
>>
>>
>> A new version of I-D, draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.= txt
>> has been successfully submitted by Evangelos Haleplidis and posted= to
>> the IETF repository.
>>
>> Filename: =A0 =A0 =A0draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology
>> Revision: =A0 =A0 =A000
>> Title: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 SDN Layers and Architecture= Terminology
>> Creation date: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2013-07-15
>> Group: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Individual Submission
>> Number of pages: 13
>> URL: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminol= ogy-00.txt
>> Status: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://data= tracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology
>> Htmlized: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00
>>
>>
>> Abstract:
>> =A0 =A0Software-Defined Networking introduces an abstraction layer= and by
>> =A0 =A0doing so separates the Forwarding from the Control layer. = =A0This
>> =A0 =A0separation can allow faster innovation cycles at both layer= s as
>> =A0 =A0experience has already shown. =A0However, there is increasi= ng
>> confusion
>> =A0 =A0as to what exactly SDN is, what is the layer stucture in an= SDN
>> =A0 =A0architecture and how do layers interface with each other. = =A0This
>> =A0 =A0document aims to provide a concise reference for future dis= cussions
>> =A0 =A0in SDNRG.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The IETF Secretariat
>
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--20cf3071cc1a020a9f04e1a1f455-- From dmm@1-4-5.net Tue Jul 16 07:45:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F05F11E80D7 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:45:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yVCHS+uvyH4Z for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9CF11E80D3 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id xk17so842513obc.10 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:45:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=gA7aEgL95bG5od+LvfRFzwz8NEXVMT0Lv+4G1KTJLuU=; b=M4WPuPUussDOhkc8fX+WKVXIoO43EpPaliD0I8YIhaegMLrTFOmmrr1vqjR2aIvjGG iq8pGFN+FE1y6x45TegdUyNmn1ec4w+Z5N+S/sZAvU4DyJRvaYhJRZhvzXYINKANdWCE TgQ1kFJOvGpMvlOF9jFT3um88WK3/MuTIXJ+WJmbMgHvxIdiX/WFCzMxdRa647QgfN98 MWUMXnqge0XJhXEy19e8wM6HqZOtMpFc4NF7/3cVhBFqUBR9EjfFldaMVLG/FquFnqJM o7+34eAQ7w+cFZKQyRf8whF55O9LKvqi8N68UQefqtQ7T6jFOxrTNP2P5Ah+hdJ4MqbL by4w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.45.138 with SMTP id n10mr2391908oem.101.1373985937665; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.31.68 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:45:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:468:d01:9c::80df:9cfd] In-Reply-To: References: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 07:45:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: Jamal Hadi Salim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmzNa+5kqbXJQwx0E4m5kBYDxpW1hQ0sSEMnQamJhsRGK4LgTYu+b5sctnZFTj9NBRFWo2v Cc: Haleplidis Evangelos , discuss@lists.opendaylight.org, "sdn@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:45:42 -0000 [copying in discuss@lists.opendaylight.org] On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote: > Dave, > > I think the usage of Service Layer in the opendaylight > diagram does not look correct if you are going to be using that > interface talk to control protocol abstractions. What you have > there is a control abstraction layer. > OTOH, I see what you label as "OpenDaylight APIs" are a service layer > abstraction. I understand your perspective, and we need to have this discussion. Thank you folks for opening it up. > > Could you please call out ForCES in your diagram? We need the > visibility. So OpenFlow is called out because (I would imagine) that is the only plugin we have at the moment. ForCES would be captured by "IETF". That said, this is one of the early architecture diagrams and it may make sense to discuss some kind of harmonization. BTW, I'm sure the ONF has its own terminology as well, so it does make sense to use the same terminology when we're talking about the same objects. --dmm > > cheers, > jamal > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:27 AM, David Meyer wrote: >> >> Evangelos, >> >> Nice start. Search for dmm> in-line in the attached for my comments. >> Among other things I'll just note here that there is a terminology >> skew with the OpenDaylight project and the use of Service Abstraction >> Layer (or SAL). See >> http://www.opendaylight.org/project/technical-overview. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --dmm >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Haleplidis Evangelos >> wrote: >> > Greetings to all, >> > >> > We have submitted the following draft regarding layer taxonomy for SDN. >> > Comments and suggestions are welcome. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Evangelos Haleplidis. >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >> >> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:34 PM >> >> To: Spyros Denazis; Odysseas Koufopavlou; Kostas Pentikousis; Evangelos >> >> Haleplidis; Jamal Hadi Salim >> >> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer- >> >> terminology-00.txt >> >> >> >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt >> >> has been successfully submitted by Evangelos Haleplidis and posted to >> >> the IETF repository. >> >> >> >> Filename: draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology >> >> Revision: 00 >> >> Title: SDN Layers and Architecture Terminology >> >> Creation date: 2013-07-15 >> >> Group: Individual Submission >> >> Number of pages: 13 >> >> URL: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt >> >> Status: >> >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology >> >> Htmlized: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00 >> >> >> >> >> >> Abstract: >> >> Software-Defined Networking introduces an abstraction layer and by >> >> doing so separates the Forwarding from the Control layer. This >> >> separation can allow faster innovation cycles at both layers as >> >> experience has already shown. However, there is increasing >> >> confusion >> >> as to what exactly SDN is, what is the layer stucture in an SDN >> >> architecture and how do layers interface with each other. This >> >> document aims to provide a concise reference for future discussions >> >> in SDNRG. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sdn mailing list >> > sdn@irtf.org >> > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sdn mailing list >> sdn@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >> > From hadi@mojatatu.com Tue Jul 16 08:28:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDA221F9B12 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:28:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sfRLuudX0T0G for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821ED21F9B90 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id w16so557473vbb.37 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:28:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9Mz0QTfAQ723OoqXbr/ghuC3Zg/pg42bz5aZ/N4Ik4s=; b=IjVZZyy9LSZDhTFSEBl1vQ/Vh5LfRbbif3w5cb7SU1JwYocdHSc1NyGHB4fU/tWrWg 0QBIJu2i+4vHFSsfXtTLff1C5EyOEyGCvMOeZ6Wm/VNIlpno9nMY8pIeYk6O21kSqBMV WKCuG1GpXh6PSmgEJjb4+jHFOJFXxqlmFW4PQDm63EkjvMPQ9SUoVOOHKumH0JQHx0Ky NfcRihTPfl0yEQPsvYjxxNYOV2q7rQTxPlFUsxhJiDLIyCLuC7o2jculfF9oK9TPSaJo w27wxoTIYXEBJvjiUi9z97F61NIIuQZnfNbEK3jduy1UQzDJR1v4AHhbBnO96uabNpr9 IQgA== X-Received: by 10.52.65.111 with SMTP id w15mr481937vds.73.1373988524760; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:28:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.247.197 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:28:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:28:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: David Meyer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f3b44f1abd704e1a2a17c X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQle9tu/cQm6G3Bv7+RiCoeprceMKFIByuVUnlIEVj9mpHqBCFuUuizzctctVppYq1G5DAw2 Cc: Haleplidis Evangelos , discuss@lists.opendaylight.org, "sdn@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:28:57 -0000 --20cf307f3b44f1abd704e1a2a17c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM, David Meyer wrote: > [copying in discuss@lists.opendaylight.org] > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim > wrote: > > Dave, > > > > I think the usage of Service Layer in the opendaylight > > diagram does not look correct if you are going to be using that > > interface talk to control protocol abstractions. What you have > > there is a control abstraction layer. > > OTOH, I see what you label as "OpenDaylight APIs" are a service layer > > abstraction. > > I understand your perspective, and we need to have this discussion. > Thank you folks for opening it up. OD may be collapsing everything that exists downwards under "services layer". I think architecturally this would be an issue given there are many different semantics. I havent looked at OD details, but one characteristics (on the control/management plane) that is obvious is as you towards services the APIs become more coarse grained and as you go down towards for example a control API, it gets more fine grained. > > > > Could you please call out ForCES in your diagram? We need the > > visibility. > > So OpenFlow is called out because (I would imagine) that is the only > plugin we have at the moment. ForCES would be captured by "IETF". Fair enough if the diagram is intended to illustrate what you have today. But do note we are a control-datapath separation architecture. The second closest thing for that out of IETF is GSMP. Maybe you need to separate what is config, management, control etc out of the IETF. That > said, this is one of the early architecture diagrams and it may make > sense to discuss some kind of harmonization. BTW, I'm sure the ONF has > its own terminology as well, so it does make sense to use the same > terminology when we're talking about the same objects. > My experience is it would be hard to get everyone to agree. The draft posted by Evangelos should hopefully help amalgamate things. cheers, jamal PS: OD, Java? Why? Python, maybe. Go perhaps. Java maybe there for historical reasons perhaps? --20cf307f3b44f1abd704e1a2a17c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:= 45 AM, David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net> wrote:
[copying in discuss@lists= .opendaylight.org]

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim <hadi@mojatatu.com> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I think the usage of Service Layer in the opendaylight
> diagram does not look correct if you are going to be using that
> interface talk to control protocol abstractions. What you have
> there is a control abstraction layer.
> OTOH, I see what you label as "OpenDaylight APIs" are a serv= ice layer
> abstraction.

I understand your perspective, and we need to have this discussion. Thank you folks for opening it up.


OD may be collapsing everything that exists downwards under "se= rvices
layer". I think architecturally this would be an issu= e given there are many
different semantics.
I havent looked at OD details, but one = characteristics (on the control/management
plane) that is obvious= is as you towards services the APIs become more coarse
grained a= nd as you go down towards for example a control API, it gets more fine
grained.

=A0
>
> Could you please call out ForCES in your diagram? We need the
> visibility.

So OpenFlow is called out because (I would imagine) that is the only<= br> plugin we have at the moment. ForCES would be captured by "IETF".=

Fair enough if the diagram is intended to = illustrate what you have today.
But do note we are a control-data= path separation architecture. The second
closest thing for that out of IETF is GSMP. Maybe you need to separate=
what is config, management, control etc out of the IETF.

That
said, this is one of the early architecture diagrams and it may make
sense to discuss some kind of harmonization. BTW, I'm sure the ONF has<= br> its own terminology as well, so it does make sense to use the same
terminology when we're talking about the same objects.
=


My experience is it would be hard to get= everyone to agree. The draft
posted by Evangelos should hopefull= y help amalgamate things.

cheers,
jamal
=A0
PS: OD,= Java? Why? Python, maybe. Go perhaps.
Java maybe there for histo= rical reasons perhaps?=A0

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Service Abstraction Layer > > The Service Abstraction Layer (SAL) provides access from services of > the control, management and applciation plane to services and > applications of the application plane. Examples of service > interfaces are REST APIs. > > dmm> again, there is a terminology skew with ODP > dmm> (http://www.opendaylight.org/project/technical-overview) > dmm> We should harmonize these. I also think that would be great to harmonize the terminology for Service and Application, but we should also clarify and specify it much better. what really means a statement like Examples of service interfaces are REST APIs. REST is just a way, the most popular, to design API in the WEB environment. Not all the REST API are supposed to be SDN North Bound interface and the other way around. > > 2.5. Application Plane > > Applications and services that use services from the control and/or > management plane form the Application Plane. > > Addditionally, services residing in the Application Plane may provide > services to other services and applications that reside in the > application plane via the service interface. > > Examples of applications include network topology discovery, network > provisioning, path reservation, etc. > > > > > > Haleplidis, et al. Expires January 16, 2014 [Page 7] > > Internet-Draft SDN Layers and Architecture Terminology July 2013 > > > 3. SDN Model View > > We advocate that the SDN southbound interface should encompass both > the CSPI and the MSPI. > > The SDN northbound interface is implemented in the Service > Abstraction Layer. > > The above model can be used to describe in a concise manner all > prominent SDN-enabling technologies, as we explain in the following > subsections. -- Salvatore Loreto, PhD www.sloreto.com From sudhir.modali@gmail.com Tue Jul 16 11:32:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3841221F991F for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:32:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BAD_LINEBREAK=0.5, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P1iMtuIR8+9s for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com (mail-lb0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1932F21F961F for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id z5so857761lbh.21 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:32:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LnzGQmIdLSYGc9/mgcwKyLt6J8FgZsi99SexOuTfndM=; b=Y7qlyOYlzjmlHCA+m4DxSmh/Va5GrFeLQbshoZKmLfpIA2Ed8eEfPPL9ueIpq+Qnig 56+MbOC/Lc5RoWDHu12is2GGcHHZWzjbsV40Z+eJHH9OBK1shzvrwNU+N70PjCm1O8z7 EULiKR/bsDRAJQjOQGGqiOjXfDjLeKu1nFBLlEcnF4yN8KxZ0BSKhtZNG3wxvTPAfMO2 vHoXAxGAIV6zDCo/ogBtCLAKaXIJfQW7iNBKTIGiPR8UrCNSoYXM6ZshNV4ywsYIFgij uHeTp+QQKYOnBMkDNmnmZftxx7ZWsgYbQAzcrNbtVNYgUWMuoqY2aYPSaQNwPHiJBk9C vrNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.89.73 with SMTP id bm9mr1674455lbb.39.1373999555864; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.27.205 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> References: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:32:35 -0700 Message-ID: From: sudhir.modali@gmail.com To: Haleplidis Evangelos Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001a11c36be8731bb604e1a533a9 Cc: sdn@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 18:32:41 -0000 --001a11c36be8731bb604e1a533a9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c36be8731bb204e1a533a7 --001a11c36be8731bb204e1a533a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hello, included my comments in the word version of this document. did not find a way to include comments for specific lines in plain text.. thanks, sudhir On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Haleplidis Evangelos wrote: > Greetings to all, > > We have submitted the following draft regarding layer taxonomy for SDN. > Comments and suggestions are welcome. > > Regards, > Evangelos Haleplidis. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:34 PM > > To: Spyros Denazis; Odysseas Koufopavlou; Kostas Pentikousis; Evangelos > > Haleplidis; Jamal Hadi Salim > > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer- > > terminology-00.txt > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt > > has been successfully submitted by Evangelos Haleplidis and posted to > > the IETF repository. > > > > Filename: draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology > > Revision: 00 > > Title: SDN Layers and Architecture Terminology > > Creation date: 2013-07-15 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Number of pages: 13 > > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt > > Status: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology > > Htmlized: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00 > > > > > > Abstract: > > Software-Defined Networking introduces an abstraction layer and by > > doing so separates the Forwarding from the Control layer. This > > separation can allow faster innovation cycles at both layers as > > experience has already shown. However, there is increasing > > confusion > > as to what exactly SDN is, what is the layer stucture in an SDN > > architecture and how do layers interface with each other. This > > document aims to provide a concise reference for future discussions > > in SDNRG. > > > > > > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > -- Sudhir Modali --001a11c36be8731bb204e1a533a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello,
included my comments in the word= version of this document. did not find a way to include comments for speci= fic lines in plain text..

thanks,
sudhir


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Halepli= dis Evangelos <ehalep@gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings to all,

We have submitted the following draft regarding layer taxonomy for SDN.
Comments and suggestions are welcome.

Regards,
Evangelos Haleplidis.

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:34 PM
> To: Spyros Denazis; Odysseas Koufopavlou; Kostas Pentikousis; Evangelo= s
> Haleplidis; Jamal Hadi Salim
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer- > terminology-00.txt
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt<= br> > has been successfully submitted by Evangelos Haleplidis and posted to<= br> > the IETF repository.
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> Htmlized: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00
>
>
> Abstract:
> =A0 =A0Software-Defined Networking introduces an abstraction layer and= by
> =A0 =A0doing so separates the Forwarding from the Control layer. =A0Th= is
> =A0 =A0separation can allow faster innovation cycles at both layers as=
> =A0 =A0experience has already shown. =A0However, there is increasing > confusion
> =A0 =A0as to what exactly SDN is, what is the layer stucture in an SDN=
> =A0 =A0architecture and how do layers interface with each other. =A0Th= is
> =A0 =A0document aims to provide a concise reference for future discuss= ions
> =A0 =A0in SDNRG.
>
>
>
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> The IETF Secretariat

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[79.166.57.145]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p49sm11752830eeu.2.2013.07.17.08.36.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Haleplidis Evangelos" To: "'Salvatore Loreto'" , References: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> <51E57C78.8090508@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <51E57C78.8090508@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:36:03 +0300 Message-ID: <006401ce8303$59c64670$0d52d350$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac6CRi6DN5nBwk8rQfG2alCldh6/JQAu88lA Content-Language: el Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:36:13 -0000 Greetings Salvatore, Thank you very much for the comments. > > dmm> again, there is a terminology skew with ODP > > dmm> (http://www.opendaylight.org/project/technical-overview) > > dmm> We should harmonize these. > > I also think that would be great to harmonize the terminology for > Service and Application, but we should also clarify and specify it much > better. Agreed. We will try to have something better in the next revision. > > what really means a statement like > > Examples of service interfaces are REST APIs. > > > REST is just a way, the most popular, to design API in the WEB > environment. > Not all the REST API are supposed to be SDN North Bound interface and > the other way around. > Agreed. It was one example and of course not the only one. We intend to include more in the next revision. Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. 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[79.166.57.145]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r54sm11713675eev.8.2013.07.17.08.41.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Haleplidis Evangelos" To: "'Jamal Hadi Salim'" , "'David Meyer'" References: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:40:58 +0300 Message-ID: <006501ce8304$095ab350$1c1019f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01CE831D.2EA7EB50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac6COSjTSBeNoAkfRWCJ5CnF/z9tsAAuWYTw Content-Language: el Cc: discuss@lists.opendaylight.org, sdn@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:41:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CE831D.2EA7EB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you very much for your comments. I also agree that there is a need to harmonize the terminology thus the reason for this document. Possibly this working group may be a good place to start, since we have member from both the ONF and the OD. Regarding your comments: dmm> I would just note that there is no need for 2119 language dmm> here as a protocol is not being specified. EH> Thank you, we'll remove them at the next revision. dmm> The term SAL is going to cause confusion as OpenDaylight dmm> uses it in a different way; see http://www.opendaylight.org/project/technical-overview EH> As you suggested, we need such a discussion with people from all groups. dmm> Might be worthwhile giving a few examples that not only show dmm> the traditional devices (switches, routers, ...) but also dmm> includes network appliances (physical and virtual) EH> Agreed. We may need to explicitly open up the term "Network Device" to incorporate, as you propose network appliances. dmm> How about I2RS? BGP-LS? ... EH> We intend to include more examples and describe in section 3, how current and new frameworks are mapped into the Layered architecture. dmm> This is confusing in that you're saying that both OF and dmm> OF-Config both provide the DAL. Are they overlapping, dmm> disjoint, ...? The DAL encompasses both the forwarding and the operational planes of the device and the DAL could be comprised of more than one abstraction models. OF covers only the DAL for the forwarding plane and cannot be used for the operational plane from what I undertand, thus the need for OF-config. >From my understanding, OF-config overlaps OF, but runs on a slower time-scale than OF therefore making it useful for the Management plane (similar to NETCONF). dmm> What seems to be missing, among other things, is some sense dmm> about what the state is actually used for (hence the dmm> confusion of both OF and OF-Config providing [parts of] the dmm> DAL), as well what kind of durability the state has (e.g., dmm> transactional, ephemeral, ...). Now, one might argue that dmm> "state is state", but traditionally we haven't built dmm> protocol stacks in this way (hence NETCONF and ISIS, ...). I'm not certain I understand the comment. From my understanding, state is something that applications, services and planes must keep and not something that the abstraction layer has to keep. Although we may need to add such text in the document to remove confusion. Also, what else do you think we're missing? Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. From: Jamal Hadi Salim [mailto:hadi@mojatatu.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:28 PM To: David Meyer Cc: Haleplidis Evangelos; sdn@irtf.org; discuss@lists.opendaylight.org Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM, David Meyer wrote: [copying in discuss@lists.opendaylight.org] On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote: > Dave, > > I think the usage of Service Layer in the opendaylight > diagram does not look correct if you are going to be using that > interface talk to control protocol abstractions. What you have > there is a control abstraction layer. > OTOH, I see what you label as "OpenDaylight APIs" are a service layer > abstraction. I understand your perspective, and we need to have this discussion. Thank you folks for opening it up. OD may be collapsing everything that exists downwards under "services layer". I think architecturally this would be an issue given there are many different semantics. I havent looked at OD details, but one characteristics (on the control/management plane) that is obvious is as you towards services the APIs become more coarse grained and as you go down towards for example a control API, it gets more fine grained. > > Could you please call out ForCES in your diagram? We need the > visibility. So OpenFlow is called out because (I would imagine) that is the only plugin we have at the moment. ForCES would be captured by "IETF". Fair enough if the diagram is intended to illustrate what you have today. But do note we are a control-datapath separation architecture. The second closest thing for that out of IETF is GSMP. Maybe you need to separate what is config, management, control etc out of the IETF. That said, this is one of the early architecture diagrams and it may make sense to discuss some kind of harmonization. BTW, I'm sure the ONF has its own terminology as well, so it does make sense to use the same terminology when we're talking about the same objects. My experience is it would be hard to get everyone to agree. The draft posted by Evangelos should hopefully help amalgamate things. cheers, jamal PS: OD, Java? Why? Python, maybe. Go perhaps. Java maybe there for historical reasons perhaps? ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CE831D.2EA7EB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you very much for your comments.

           &nbs= p;            =

I also agree that there is a need to harmonize the terminology thus = the reason for this document.

Possibly this working group may be a good place to start, since we = have member from both the ONF and the OD.

 

Regarding your comments:

 

dmm> I would just note that there is no need for 2119 = language

dmm> here as a protocol is not being = specified.

 

EH> Thank you, we’ll remove them at the next = revision.

 

dmm> The term SAL is going to cause confusion as = OpenDaylight

dmm> uses it in a different way; see = http://www.opendaylight.org/project/technical-overview<= /p>

 

EH> As you suggested, we need such a discussion with people from = all groups.

 

dmm> Might be worthwhile giving a few examples that not only = show

dmm> the traditional devices (switches, routers, ...) but = also

dmm> includes network appliances (physical and = virtual)

 

EH> Agreed. We may need to explicitly open up the term = “Network Device” to incorporate, as you propose network = appliances.

           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;      

dmm> How about I2RS? BGP-LS? ...

 

EH> We intend to include more examples and describe in section 3, = how current and new frameworks are mapped into the Layered = architecture.

 

dmm> This is confusing in that you're saying that both OF = and

dmm> OF-Config both provide the DAL. Are they = overlapping,

dmm> disjoint, ...?

 

The DAL encompasses both the forwarding and the operational planes of = the device and the DAL could be comprised of more than one abstraction = models.

OF covers only the DAL for the forwarding plane and cannot be used = for the operational plane from what I undertand, thus the need for = OF-config.

From my understanding, OF-config overlaps OF, but runs on a slower = time-scale than OF therefore making it useful for the Management plane = (similar to NETCONF).

 

dmm> What seems to be missing, among other things, is some = sense

dmm> about what the state is actually used for (hence = the

dmm> confusion of both OF and OF-Config providing [parts of] = the

dmm> DAL), as well what kind of durability the state has = (e.g.,

dmm> transactional, ephemeral, ...). Now, one might argue = that

dmm> "state is state", but traditionally we haven't = built

dmm> protocol stacks in this way (hence NETCONF and ISIS, = ...).

 

I’m not certain I understand the comment. From my = understanding, state is something that applications, services and planes = must keep and not something that the abstraction layer has to keep. = Although we may need to add such text in the document to remove = confusion.

 

Also, what else do you think we’re = missing?

 

Regards,

Evangelos Haleplidis.

 

From:= Jamal Hadi = Salim [mailto:hadi@mojatatu.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 = 6:28 PM
To: David Meyer
Cc: Haleplidis Evangelos; = sdn@irtf.org; discuss@lists.opendaylight.org
Subject: Re: = [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for = draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt

 

 

On = Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM, David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net> = wrote:

[copying = in discuss@lists.opendaylight= .org]


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:39 AM, = Jamal Hadi Salim <hadi@mojatatu.com> = wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I think the usage of Service Layer = in the opendaylight
> diagram does not look correct if you are = going to be using that
> interface talk to control protocol = abstractions. What you have
> there is a control abstraction = layer.
> OTOH, I see what you label as "OpenDaylight = APIs" are a service layer
> = abstraction.

I understand your = perspective, and we need to have this discussion.
Thank you folks for = opening it up.

 

 

OD may be collapsing everything that exists downwards = under "services

layer". I think architecturally this would be an = issue given there are many

different semantics.

I havent looked at OD details, but one characteristics = (on the control/management

plane) that is obvious is as you towards services the = APIs become more coarse

grained and as you go down towards for example a = control API, it gets more fine

grained.

 

 

>
> Could you please call out = ForCES in your diagram? We need the
> = visibility.

So OpenFlow is = called out because (I would imagine) that is the only
plugin we have = at the moment. ForCES would be captured by = "IETF".

 

Fair enough if the diagram is intended to illustrate = what you have today.

But = do note we are a control-datapath separation architecture. The = second

closest thing for = that out of IETF is GSMP. Maybe you need to = separate

what is config, = management, control etc out of the IETF.

 

That
said, this is one of the early architecture = diagrams and it may make
sense to discuss some kind of harmonization. = BTW, I'm sure the ONF has
its own terminology as well, so it does = make sense to use the same
terminology when we're talking about the = same objects.

 

 

My experience is it would be hard to get everyone to = agree. The draft

posted by = Evangelos should hopefully help amalgamate = things.

 

cheers,

jamal

 

PS: OD, Java? Why? Python, maybe. Go = perhaps.

Java maybe there = for historical reasons perhaps? 

 

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[79.166.57.145]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i2sm12534282eeu.4.2013.07.17.10.35.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Haleplidis Evangelos" To: References: <008601ce8217$86a6cc60$93f46520$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 20:35:53 +0300 Message-ID: <007f01ce8314$17710330$46530990$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CE832D.3CBE3B30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac6CUt73CEI6iG0IT4KwnM/g9lP6nQAsU0Pw Content-Language: el Cc: sdn@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:36:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CE832D.3CBE3B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Sudhir, Thank you very much for all your comments. [1] Is this the scope of this document? The application layer is the core driver for SDN, and is missing in the context here. Maybe a restructure of this sentence is required to put the context in place. No, that is not the scope of the document. But you may be right, we'll try for a better intro and include the application layer in the intro text. [2]Can we rather site 1 or 2 examples? As mentioned in the subsequent sentence, this statement raises confusion rather than the obvious. Ok. Will try to include a few examples in the next revision. [3]General comment is that there are too many interfaces being proposed in this document. I can already see this evolving into a complex architecture like the IMS or other such. Is it possible to reduce/standardize on a couple of interfaces between all layers to keep the architecture simple? This would help in creating other paradigms that would allow for eg: a AP to talk directly to DAL or something like AP->CP->MP->DAL without having to translate between interfaces. This document is not about trying to standardize, but rather to put things in perspective and provide a common ground for terminology. However we'll try to incorporate your suggestion in the next revision. [4]It appears that ForCES and Openflow are being suggested as an option to protocol/API/IPC. Isn't this wrong? ForCES and Openflow are control plane services. I would imagine something like Restful API, OVF to be the interface (CPSI). ForCES and Openflow are not control plane services. CPSI's are for configuration of the datapath and usually requires a high-throughput and low latency Interface. ForCES and Openflow provide a way to separate the forwarding from the control plane by providing such a protocol (Interface) therefore a perfect fit for the CPSI. RESTful APIs usually based on HTTP are not suitable for the CPSI, but they could be used for the MPSI. OVF has no fit in CPSI. OVF describes software to run on virtual machines and not related for the forwarding plane - how packets are handled. Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. From: sudhir.modali@gmail.com [mailto:sudhir.modali@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:33 PM To: Haleplidis Evangelos Cc: sdn@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt hello, included my comments in the word version of this document. did not find a way to include comments for specific lines in plain text.. thanks, sudhir On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Haleplidis Evangelos wrote: Greetings to all, We have submitted the following draft regarding layer taxonomy for SDN. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:34 PM > To: Spyros Denazis; Odysseas Koufopavlou; Kostas Pentikousis; Evangelos > Haleplidis; Jamal Hadi Salim > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer- > terminology-00.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Evangelos Haleplidis and posted to > the IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology > Revision: 00 > Title: SDN Layers and Architecture Terminology > Creation date: 2013-07-15 > Group: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 13 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology -00.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00 > > > Abstract: > Software-Defined Networking introduces an abstraction layer and by > doing so separates the Forwarding from the Control layer. This > separation can allow faster innovation cycles at both layers as > experience has already shown. However, there is increasing > confusion > as to what exactly SDN is, what is the layer stucture in an SDN > architecture and how do layers interface with each other. This > document aims to provide a concise reference for future discussions > in SDNRG. > > > > > The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ sdn mailing list sdn@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn -- Sudhir Modali ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CE832D.3CBE3B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings Sudhir,

 

Thank you very much for all your comments.

 

[1] Is this the scope of this document? The application layer is the = core driver for SDN, and is missing in the context here. Maybe a = restructure of this sentence is required to put the context in = place.

No, that is not the scope of the document. But you may be right, = we’ll try for a better intro and include the application layer in = the intro text.

 

[2]Can we rather site 1 or 2 examples? As mentioned in the subsequent = sentence, this statement raises confusion rather than the = obvious.

Ok. Will try to include a few examples in the next = revision.

 

[3]General comment is that there are too many interfaces being = proposed in this document. I can already see this evolving into a = complex architecture like the IMS or other such. Is it possible to = reduce/standardize on a couple of interfaces between all layers to keep = the architecture simple? This would help in creating other paradigms = that would allow for eg: a AP to talk directly to DAL or something like = AP->CP->MP->DAL without having to translate between = interfaces.

This document is not about trying to standardize, but rather to put = things in perspective and provide a common ground for terminology. = However we’ll try to incorporate your suggestion in the next = revision.

 

[4]It appears that ForCES and Openflow are being suggested as an = option to protocol/API/IPC. Isn’t this wrong? ForCES and Openflow = are control plane services. I would imagine something like Restful API, = OVF to be the interface (CPSI).

ForCES and Openflow are not control plane services. CPSI’s are = for configuration of the datapath and usually requires a high-throughput = and low latency Interface. ForCES and Openflow provide a way to separate = the forwarding from the control plane by providing such a protocol = (Interface) therefore a perfect fit for the CPSI. RESTful APIs usually = based on HTTP are not suitable for the CPSI, but they could be used for = the MPSI. OVF has no fit in CPSI. OVF describes software to run on = virtual machines and not related for the forwarding plane – how = packets are handled.

 

Regards,

Evangelos Haleplidis.

 

From:= = sudhir.modali@gmail.com [mailto:sudhir.modali@gmail.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:33 PM
To: Haleplidis = Evangelos
Cc: sdn@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [Sdn] FW: = New Version Notification for = draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt

 

hello,

included my comments in the word version = of this document. did not find a way to include comments for specific = lines in plain text..

thanks,
sudhir

 

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Haleplidis Evangelos = <ehalep@gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings to all,

We have submitted the = following draft regarding layer taxonomy for SDN.
Comments and = suggestions are welcome.

Regards,
Evangelos = Haleplidis.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org = [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:34 PM
> To: Spyros Denazis; = Odysseas Koufopavlou; Kostas Pentikousis; Evangelos
> Haleplidis; = Jamal Hadi Salim
> Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-
> = terminology-00.txt
>
>
> A new version of I-D, = draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology-00.txt
> has been = successfully submitted by Evangelos Haleplidis and posted to
> the = IETF repository.
>
> Filename:     =  draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer-terminology
> Revision:   =    00
> Title:             =     SDN Layers and Architecture Terminology
> Creation = date:         2013-07-15
> Group:   =               Individual = Submission
> Number of pages: 13
> URL:       =       http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haleplidis-sd= nrg-layer-terminology-00.txt
> Status:       =    http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-= layer-terminology
> Htmlized:        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-haleplidis-sdnrg-layer= -terminology-00
>
>
> Abstract:
>   =  Software-Defined Networking introduces an abstraction layer and = by
>    doing so separates the Forwarding from the = Control layer.  This
>    separation can allow = faster innovation cycles at both layers as
>   =  experience has already shown.  However, there is = increasing
> confusion
>    as to what exactly SDN = is, what is the layer stucture in an SDN
>   =  architecture and how do layers interface with each other. =  This
>    document aims to provide a concise = reference for future discussions
>    in = SDNRG.
>
>
>
>
> The IETF = Secretariat

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boundary="_002_95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED322D602ACxmbalnx02ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Sdn] Minutes for IETF87, SDNRG meeting X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:04:44 -0000 --_002_95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED322D602ACxmbalnx02ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SDNRG, Please find the minutes of this morning's SDNRG meeting attached. 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Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.138.178] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645B50CB9dfweml509mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [Sdn] Minutes for IETF87, SDNRG meeting X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:09:51 -0000 --_002_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645B50CB9dfweml509mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David and Nick,=20 Here are the SDNRG meeting minutes I took. You can combine with Carlo's.=20 Linda=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: sdn-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of > Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:05 AM > To: SDN IRTF list > Subject: [Sdn] Minutes for IETF87, SDNRG meeting >=20 > SDNRG, >=20 > Please find the minutes of this morning's SDNRG meeting attached. > Comments and corrections most welcome! >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > -- Carlos. --_002_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645B50CB9dfweml509mbxchi_ Content-Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document; name="July 29 SDN RG meeting minutes by Linda Dunbar.docx" Content-Description: July 29 SDN RG meeting minutes by Linda Dunbar.docx Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="July 29 SDN RG meeting minutes by Linda Dunbar.docx"; size=27854; creation-date="Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:19:41 GMT"; modification-date="Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:03:25 GMT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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for IETF87, SDNRG meeting X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:10:47 -0000 --e89a8ff1cece9cd93a04e2a481a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thnx Carlos! --dmm On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) < cpignata@cisco.com> wrote: > SDNRG, > > Please find the minutes of this morning's SDNRG meeting attached. Comments > and corrections most welcome! > > Thanks, > > -- Carlos. > > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > > --e89a8ff1cece9cd93a04e2a481a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thnx Carlos!

--dmm


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <cp= ignata@cisco.com> wrote:
SDNRG,

Please find the minutes of this morning's SDNRG meeting attached. Comme= nts and corrections most welcome!

Thanks,

-- Carlos.


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--e89a8ff1cece9cd93a04e2a481a3-- From giangnvbk@gmail.com Mon Jul 29 05:10:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F0E21F9AEF for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:10:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id psTaD7S0cWsL for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E0C21F9E0B for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id k13so4725275wgh.13 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:10:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=STWyiA5HFglTKdl5Wb7HMqogpGJP8/EEgQ3In9DMS+Q=; b=amaMkCM3/WKQdoh+GlbrYjozJSPuXQSXX59YzfGXmEdOJAP9wwlQuNm1UuD3fYl7yV fGCLxfSpBKrvtdjmaSAFhDAbE9wWXAa6CGnLcbK6D16iqBwuXRNmC8HplE9PfBlxRiJd 3nZM/BEwm/S4Vn8sjp6nmD5DBUhBkOcRZy9wy4Kc6fapsKrV0HiYjPeGrH3zyorJJFhp Tpkc2pjmGKF+ZjMWapMWs1Bh0Ez8jn11Sr+dHK8ng/IOQ+SGTWeMqm1UvrzWgYmXdDBi A2/XOM7U5jpokwzvLXvx9U0Z2ZsfPRr+PizWmNrgZwoTXij/rY1hdniRiamdYa+p2S90 1q5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.160.240 with SMTP id xn16mr6876019wib.62.1375099811172; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.240.5 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 05:10:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <95067C434CE250468B77282634C96ED322D602AC@xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:10:11 +0900 Message-ID: From: Giang Nguyen To: David Meyer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6251b0c696b804e2a55f72 Cc: "Carlos Pignataro \(cpignata\)" , SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] Minutes for IETF87, SDNRG meeting X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:10:43 -0000 --047d7b6251b0c696b804e2a55f72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you so much! On 29 July 2013 20:08, David Meyer wrote: > Thnx Carlos! > > --dmm > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) < > cpignata@cisco.com> wrote: > >> SDNRG, >> >> Please find the minutes of this morning's SDNRG meeting attached. >> Comments and corrections most welcome! >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- Carlos. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sdn mailing list >> sdn@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > > -- Giang Nguyen Master at School of Electronic and Telecommunication Engineering Soongsil University Seoul,South Korea YM:giangnguyen_bk Mobile:(+84) 016646.8888.4 --047d7b6251b0c696b804e2a55f72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you so much!

On 29 July 2013 20:08, David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.= net> wrote:
Thnx Carlos!

--dmm
<= div>

On Mon, Jul 2= 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <cpignata@cisco.com&= gt; wrote:
SDNRG,
Please find the minutes of this morning's SDNRG meeting attached. Comme= nts and corrections most welcome!

Thanks,

-- Carlos.


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Soongsil University
Seoul,South Korea
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