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Please see http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/agenda/agenda-90-sdnrg

If you are on the agenda please forward your slides to me (if you
haven't already). In addition, can we get a volunteer to scribe?

Thanks,

Dave & Nick


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Overview of proposed IRTF Network Functions Virtualization Research Group (=
NFVRG)

Network Function Virtualization (NFV) is a key emerging area for network op=
erators, hardware and software vendors, cloud service providers, and in gen=
eral network practitioners and researchers. This area requires exploring ne=
w directions and working collaboratively on how to create network services =
that utilize a virtualized infrastructure. Network functions that are tradi=
tionally implemented in dedicated hardware appliances will need to be decom=
posed and executed in virtual machines running in data centers. One key goa=
l of this new area is to reduce capital and operating expenditures for futu=
re deployments for networks and associated services. Another important goal=
 is for the network operators to be able to offer value added cloud service=
s to their customers. Finally, new business models will open for the provis=
ion of network services.

The technologies enabling the virtualization of network functions are curre=
ntly in an early stage of, and they need researchers to develop new archite=
ctures, systems, and software, and to explore tradeoffs and possibilities f=
or leveraging virtualized infrastructure to provide support for network fun=
ctions. The Network Functions Virtualization Research Group (NFVRG) will br=
ing together researchers and grow the community around the world in both ac=
ademia and industry to explore this new research area through workshops, re=
search group meetings etc. at premier conferences such as IEEE ICC, IEEE Gl=
obecom and inviting special issues in well-known journals. Some of the key =
topics of research include virtualization of fixed and mobile network infra=
structures, new network architectures based on virtualized network function=
s, virtualization of the home and enterprise network environments, co-exist=
ence with non-virtualized infrastructure and services, and application to g=
rowing areas of concern such as Internet of Things (IoT) and next generatio=
n content distribution.

The NFVRG will focus on research problems associated with these topics and =
on bringing a research community together that can jointly address such pro=
blems, concentrating on problems that relate not just to networking but als=
o to computing and storage constraints in such environments. It is also hop=
ed that the outcome of the research will benefit standardization efforts th=
at can get spawned via IRTF & IETF BoF meetings and/or provide useful input=
 to other related standards efforts in ETSI or other standards bodies.

More details can be found at - http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/w=
iki/nfvrg

First face-to-face Meeting in Toronto

The first face-to-face meeting of the proposed NFVRG will be held along wit=
h the IETF meeting in Toronto on July 30th Wednesday from 11:30am to 1:00pm=
 in the Canadian (C) Room (immediately after the SFC meeting). Please let u=
s know if you have research topics to present during the meeting. Would rea=
lly appreciate active discussions in the mailing list nfvrg@irtf.org<mailto=
:nfvrg@irtf.org>.

Thanks,
Ramki on behalf of the NFVRG co-chairs

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ation Research Group (NFVRG) <o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><u><o:p><span style=3D'text-decoration:none'>&nbsp;</span></o:p></u></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>Network Function Virtualization (NFV) is a key emerging =
area for network operators, hardware and software vendors, cloud service pr=
oviders, and in general network practitioners and researchers. This area re=
quires exploring new directions and working collaboratively on how to creat=
e network services that utilize a virtualized infrastructure. Network funct=
ions that are traditionally implemented in dedicated hardware appliances wi=
ll need to be decomposed and executed in virtual machines running in data c=
enters. One key goal of this new area is to reduce capital and operating ex=
penditures for future deployments for networks and associated services. Ano=
ther important goal is for the network operators to be able to offer value =
added cloud services to their customers. Finally, new business models will =
open for the provision of network services.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The technologies enabling the=
 virtualization of network functions are currently in an early stage of, an=
d they need researchers to develop new architectures, systems, and software=
, and to explore tradeoffs and possibilities for leveraging virtualized inf=
rastructure to provide support for network functions. The Network Functions=
 Virtualization Research Group (NFVRG) will bring together researchers and =
grow the community around the world in both academia and industry to explor=
e this new research area through workshops, research group meetings etc. at=
 premier conferences such as IEEE ICC, IEEE Globecom and inviting special i=
ssues in well-known journals. Some of the key topics of research include vi=
rtualization of fixed and mobile network infrastructures, new network archi=
tectures based on virtualized network functions, virtualization of the home=
 and enterprise network environments, co-existence with non-virtualized inf=
rastructure and services, and application to growing areas of concern such =
as Internet of Things (IoT) and next generation content distribution.<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The=
 NFVRG will focus on research problems associated with these topics and on =
bringing a research community together that can jointly address such proble=
ms, concentrating on problems that relate not just to networking but also t=
o computing and storage constraints in such environments. It is also hoped =
that the outcome of the research will benefit standardization efforts that =
can get spawned via IRTF &amp; IETF BoF meetings and/or provide useful inpu=
t to other related standards efforts in ETSI or other standards bodies.<o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>M=
ore details can be found at - <a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/i=
rtf/trac/wiki/nfvrg">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/nfvrg<=
/a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><u><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>First face-to-face Meeting in Tor=
onto<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><u><o:p><span style=3D't=
ext-decoration:none'>&nbsp;</span></o:p></u></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The fi=
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e Canadian (C) Room (immediately after the SFC meeting). Please let us know=
 if you have research topics to present during the meeting. Would really ap=
preciate active discussions in the mailing list <a href=3D"mailto:nfvrg@irt=
f.org">nfvrg@irtf.org</a>.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ram=
ki on behalf of the NFVRG co-chairs<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>=

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The face-to-face meeting date is July 23rd and not July 30th. Sorry for the=
 confusion caused.

Thanks,
Ramki

From: ramki Krishnan
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:14 PM
To: 'sdn@irtf.org'
Cc: DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA (diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com); dilikris@in.ibm.com
Subject: Proposed IRTF Network Functions Virtualization Research Group (NFV=
RG) - first face-to-face meeting at Toronto

Overview of proposed IRTF Network Functions Virtualization Research Group (=
NFVRG)

Network Function Virtualization (NFV) is a key emerging area for network op=
erators, hardware and software vendors, cloud service providers, and in gen=
eral network practitioners and researchers. This area requires exploring ne=
w directions and working collaboratively on how to create network services =
that utilize a virtualized infrastructure. Network functions that are tradi=
tionally implemented in dedicated hardware appliances will need to be decom=
posed and executed in virtual machines running in data centers. One key goa=
l of this new area is to reduce capital and operating expenditures for futu=
re deployments for networks and associated services. Another important goal=
 is for the network operators to be able to offer value added cloud service=
s to their customers. Finally, new business models will open for the provis=
ion of network services.

The technologies enabling the virtualization of network functions are curre=
ntly in an early stage of, and they need researchers to develop new archite=
ctures, systems, and software, and to explore tradeoffs and possibilities f=
or leveraging virtualized infrastructure to provide support for network fun=
ctions. The Network Functions Virtualization Research Group (NFVRG) will br=
ing together researchers and grow the community around the world in both ac=
ademia and industry to explore this new research area through workshops, re=
search group meetings etc. at premier conferences such as IEEE ICC, IEEE Gl=
obecom and inviting special issues in well-known journals. Some of the key =
topics of research include virtualization of fixed and mobile network infra=
structures, new network architectures based on virtualized network function=
s, virtualization of the home and enterprise network environments, co-exist=
ence with non-virtualized infrastructure and services, and application to g=
rowing areas of concern such as Internet of Things (IoT) and next generatio=
n content distribution.

The NFVRG will focus on research problems associated with these topics and =
on bringing a research community together that can jointly address such pro=
blems, concentrating on problems that relate not just to networking but als=
o to computing and storage constraints in such environments. It is also hop=
ed that the outcome of the research will benefit standardization efforts th=
at can get spawned via IRTF & IETF BoF meetings and/or provide useful input=
 to other related standards efforts in ETSI or other standards bodies.

More details can be found at - http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/w=
iki/nfvrg

First face-to-face Meeting in Toronto

The first face-to-face meeting of the proposed NFVRG will be held along wit=
h the IETF meeting in Toronto on July 30th Wednesday from 11:30am to 1:00pm=
 in the Canadian (C) Room (immediately after the SFC meeting). Please let u=
s know if you have research topics to present during the meeting. Would rea=
lly appreciate active discussions in the mailing list nfvrg@irtf.org<mailto=
:nfvrg@irtf.org>.

Thanks,
Ramki on behalf of the NFVRG co-chairs

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olor:#1F497D'>The face-to-face meeting date is July 23rd and not July 30th.=
 Sorry for the confusion caused.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ramki<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div=
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ly:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ramki Krishnan <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
July 07, 2014 1:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'sdn@irtf.org'<br><b>Cc:</b> DIEGO LOPE=
Z GARCIA (diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com); dilikris@in.ibm.com<br><b>Subject:=
</b> Proposed IRTF Network Functions Virtualization Research Group (NFVRG) =
- first face-to-face meeting at Toronto<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><u><span style=
=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Overview of proposed IRTF Network Functions Virtualiz=
ation Research Group (NFVRG) <o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><u><o:p><span style=3D'text-decoration:none'>&nbsp;</span></o:p></u></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>Network Function Virtualization (NFV) is a key emerging =
area for network operators, hardware and software vendors, cloud service pr=
oviders, and in general network practitioners and researchers. This area re=
quires exploring new directions and working collaboratively on how to creat=
e network services that utilize a virtualized infrastructure. Network funct=
ions that are traditionally implemented in dedicated hardware appliances wi=
ll need to be decomposed and executed in virtual machines running in data c=
enters. One key goal of this new area is to reduce capital and operating ex=
penditures for future deployments for networks and associated services. Ano=
ther important goal is for the network operators to be able to offer value =
added cloud services to their customers. Finally, new business models will =
open for the provision of network services.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The technologies enabling the=
 virtualization of network functions are currently in an early stage of, an=
d they need researchers to develop new architectures, systems, and software=
, and to explore tradeoffs and possibilities for leveraging virtualized inf=
rastructure to provide support for network functions. The Network Functions=
 Virtualization Research Group (NFVRG) will bring together researchers and =
grow the community around the world in both academia and industry to explor=
e this new research area through workshops, research group meetings etc. at=
 premier conferences such as IEEE ICC, IEEE Globecom and inviting special i=
ssues in well-known journals. Some of the key topics of research include vi=
rtualization of fixed and mobile network infrastructures, new network archi=
tectures based on virtualized network functions, virtualization of the home=
 and enterprise network environments, co-existence with non-virtualized inf=
rastructure and services, and application to growing areas of concern such =
as Internet of Things (IoT) and next generation content distribution.<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The=
 NFVRG will focus on research problems associated with these topics and on =
bringing a research community together that can jointly address such proble=
ms, concentrating on problems that relate not just to networking but also t=
o computing and storage constraints in such environments. It is also hoped =
that the outcome of the research will benefit standardization efforts that =
can get spawned via IRTF &amp; IETF BoF meetings and/or provide useful inpu=
t to other related standards efforts in ETSI or other standards bodies.<o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>M=
ore details can be found at - <a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/i=
rtf/trac/wiki/nfvrg">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/nfvrg<=
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ormal><u><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>First face-to-face Meeting in Tor=
onto<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><u><o:p><span style=3D't=
ext-decoration:none'>&nbsp;</span></o:p></u></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The fi=
rst face-to-face meeting of the proposed NFVRG will be held along with the =
IETF meeting in Toronto on July 30th Wednesday from 11:30am to 1:00pm in th=
e Canadian (C) Room (immediately after the SFC meeting). Please let us know=
 if you have research topics to present during the meeting. Would really ap=
preciate active discussions in the mailing list <a href=3D"mailto:nfvrg@irt=
f.org">nfvrg@irtf.org</a>.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</=
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http://icnp14.cs.unc.edu/workshops.html, which will be held on October 21,
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The submission information can be found at workshop web site is
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The accepted paper will be published in IEEE ICNP2014 proceedings (6 pages).

 

Topics of interest include but are not limited to:

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SDN Security

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Submission deadline: July 17, 2014 (Firm Deadline)

Acceptance notification: August 6, 2014.

Camera ready version: August 16, 2014

 

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Jun Bi, Tsinghua Univ.

Guofei Gu, Texas A&M Univ.

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Interfaces (South Bound, North Bound, and East-west =
Bound)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>SDN =
Network Operating System<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>SDN Data Plan =
Abstraction<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>SDN Network =
Abstraction and View<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>SDN Performance =
and Reliability<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:21.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>SDN Protocol =
Application<span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:21.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>SDN =
Security<span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:21.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>SDN =
Survey<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Important Dates<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:21.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>Submission deadline: =
July 17, 2014 (Firm Deadline)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:21.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>Acceptance notification: =
August 6, 2014.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-indent:21.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US>Camera ready version: =
August 16, 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Richard Y. Yang, Yale Univ.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Jun Bi, Tsinghua =
Univ.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Guofei Gu, Texas A&amp;M Univ.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>ICNP2014 CoolSDN workshop =
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Apologies in case you receive multiple copies of this CFP.

 

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Due to requests, the submission deadline has been extended to July 17th,
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Please note that this is a firm deadline.

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We cordially invite you to submit papers to the 22nd IEEE International
Conference on Network Protocols (ICNP) CoolSDN Workshop 

http://icnp14.cs.unc.edu/workshops.html, which will be held on October 21,
in Raleigh, North Carolina, United States. 

 

The submission information can be found at workshop web site is
http://success.cse.tamu.edu/CoolSDN2014/. 

The accepted paper will be published in IEEE ICNP2014 proceedings (6 pages).

 

Topics of interest include but are not limited to:

SDN Challenges

SDN Architecture

Formal Methods in SDN

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Folks,

I am sorry for spamming all these lists. You are being spammed because
you are a cousin of ForCES.

We are planning to have a ForCES based NFV/SDN PoC demonstration at the
Bits and Bites event on Thursday night (1845-2100 at the Concert Hall).
Given it is very hard to give a lot of details in the demo, Evangelos Haleplidis
will present more details at the ForCES meeting Monday 15:20 at the
Manitoba room.

The official blurb is as follows:
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SANA will demonstrate the proof-of-concept of the applicability of
IETF's ForCES framework for both NFV management and SDN control.
The ForCES data model will be utilized to describe VNFs, services and the
infrastructure definition in a clear, formal and concise approach.
The protocol will illustrate SDN control and NFV management of all
modelled elements.

The setup includes various NFV/SDN entities controlled and managed by the
ForCES architecture execute under a singular simple programmatic API
regardless of whether they are virtual or physical. The
separation of hardware and software is illustrated by the same NF
LFB data models implemented in:
a)KVM virtual machines, b) Linux containers, c) linux kernel proper
and d) ASIC based L2/3 (Broadcom chipset) in white box switches
all working in unison.

Infrastructure orchestration includes instantiating VMs, containers,
applications and setup of basic network connectivity using appropriate
ForCES LFBs.
Service orchestration is again modelled by ForCES LFBs and
both control and management activities for the services are driven by
the ForCES protocol.

We will illustrate 3GPP S/PGW simple connectivity (NAT-based) service
and the advantages
gained from (SDN) separating the datapath components of S/PGW from the control
as well as (NFV) separation of hardware from software.

This PoC is further illustrated in:
http://nfvwiki.etsi.org/index.php?title=ForCES_Applicability_for_NFV_and_integrated_SDN
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Apologies again for the mass email.

cheers,
jamal


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Folks,

Looking for a scribe for the SDNRG meeting. Can anyone help us out?

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<div dir="ltr">Folks,<div><br></div><div>Looking for a scribe for the SDNRG meeting. Can anyone help us out?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>--dmm</div><div><br></div></div>

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Greetings to the list,

Apologies for the late posting.
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Regards,
Evangelos Haleplidis.

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see http://sites.ieee.org/netsoft/call-for-papers/

NetSoft 2015 will be the first of a series of annual events established 
as part of the IEEE Software-Defined Networks initiative of the IEEE 
Future Directions Committee to build an IEEE-wide community in this area 
across multiple IEEE societies and councils 
(http://sdn.ieee.org/about.html). Software-Defined Networking (SDN), 
Network Function Virtualization (NFV), and Software-Defined Clouds could 
be seen as different expressions of an overall transformation trend, 
which is deeply impacting and Telecom and IT industries. This trend is 
also transforming several other Industries, in using ”softwarization" to 
optimize costs and processes and in bringing new values in 
infrastructures. SDN, NFV and network programmability are creating the 
conditions to reinvent network and cloud architectures, accelerate 
service deployment and facilitate infrastructure management. 
Accordingly, the main theme of NetSoft 2015 is “Software-Defined 
Infrastructures for Networks, Clouds and Services”. NetSoft is intended 
to serve as the flagship IEEE forum for technical exchange on 
software-defined infrastructures and services. NetSoft 2015 aims at 
providing an excellent forum for the latest innovations, results, and 
developments in the overall transformation trend, which is deeply 
impacting Telecom and IT industries. The conference will be held on 
April 13-17, 2015 in London, UK. The NetSoft 2015 website can be found 
at: http://sites.ieee.org/netsoft/

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Hi SDN RG'rs,

The authors of draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture are in the process of=
 requesting AD-sponsored publication of draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architect=
ure:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture

This I-D is a bit of an architecture and a bit an applicability statement. =
It has been presented in SDNRG a couple of times.

The last call will obviously pop out sometime, but it would be nice to have=
 review comments before then. Perhaps you could send your comments to the a=
uthors or to the RTGWG list rather than clogging this list with discussion =
of an IETF draft.

Thanks,
Dan

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CALL FOR PAPERS
1st IEEE Conference on Network Softwarization
=93Software-Defined Infrastructures for Networks, Clouds and Services=94

London, U.K. =96 April 13-17, 2015
http://sites.ieee.org/netsoft/

SCOPE=20
The IEEE International Conference on Network Softwarization (NetSoft =
2015) will be held April 13-17, 2015 in London, U.K. at the Cruciform =
Building of University College London (UCL).=20
NetSoft 2015 will be the first of a series of annual events established =
as part of the IEEE Software-Defined Networks initiative of the IEEE =
Future Directions Committee to build an IEEE-wide community in this area =
across multiple IEEE societies and councils =
(http://sdn.ieee.org/about.html). Software-Defined Networking (SDN), =
Network Function Virtualization (NFV), and Software-Defined Clouds could =
be seen as different expressions of an overall transformation trend, =
which is deeply impacting and Telecom and IT industries. This trend is =
also transforming several other Industries, in using =94softwarization" =
to optimize costs and processes and in bringing new values in =
infrastructures. In particular, SDN, NFV and network programmability are =
creating the conditions to reinvent network and cloud architectures, =
accelerate service deployment and facilitate infrastructure management. =
Accordingly, the theme of NetSoft 2015 is =93Software-Defined =
Infrastructures for Networks, Clouds and Services=94. NetSoft is =
intended to serve as the flagship IEEE forum for technical exchange on =
software-defined infrastructures and services.

TOPICS OF INTEREST=20
Authors are invited to submit papers that fall into the area of =
software-defined and virtualized infrastructures. Topics of interest =
include, but are not limited to, the following:
=95	SDI Architectures, Application Programming Interfaces Protocols =
& Programming languages=20
=95	SDN Switch/Router Architectures/Designs
=95	Control Architectures/Network Programmability=20
=95	Verification/Debugging/ Auditing Tools=20
=95	Placement/Factoring of Control Logic
=95	Efficient Network Virtualization in SDN
=95	Network Function Virtualization (NFV)=20
=95	SDN Resource, Network and Service Management and Efficient =
Operations
=95	Traffic Engineering and QoS in SDN
=95	Mobility/Security/Safety Support and Management in SDN
=95	Service & Information Orchestration/Chaining and Life Cycle =
Management
=95	Energy Efficient and Green Software-defined Infrastructures=20
=95	Software-based Integration of Computing, Storage & Networks
=95	Software-Defined Datacenters and Inter-datacenter Networks
=95	SDN Support for Big Data Applications
=95	SDN Applications to Enterprise, Home, Cellular
=95	Software-Defined Optical Transport and Backbone Networks
=95	SDN and Virtualization for RAN and 5G=20
=95	Performance Evaluation, Testbeds, and Experiences Benchmarking
=95	Deployments and Interoperation with Legacy Systems=20

PAPER SUBMISSION=20
Authors are invited to submit original contributions (written in =
English) in PDF format. Only original papers not published or submitted =
for publication elsewhere can be submitted. Papers can be of two types: =
full (up to 9 pages) or short (up to 5 pages) papers. Papers should be =
in IEEE 2-column US-Letter style using IEEE Conference templates =
(http://www.ieee.org/conferences_events/conferences/publishing/templates.h=
tml) and submitted in PDF format via EDAS at: http://edas.info/N18361. =
Papers exceeding these limits, multiple submissions, and =
self-plagiarized papers will be rejected without further review. All =
submitted papers will be subject to a peer-review process. The accepted =
papers will be published in IEEE Xplore, provided that the authors do =
present their paper at the conference.=20

IMPORTANT DATES=20
Paper Submission:	15th December 2014=09
Camera Ready Papers:	13th March 2015
Notification of Acceptance:	15th February 2015

GENERAL CO-CHAIRS=20
Prosper Chemouil, Orange Labs, France=20
George Pavlou, University College London, U.K.=20

TPC CO-CHAIRS=20
Raouf Boutaba, University of Waterloo, Canada
Alex Galis, University College London, U.K.=20

IEEE Software-Defined Networks Group Chair: Antonio Manzalini, Telecom =
Italia, Italy



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Dear all,

At IETF90 I was at sdnrg and noticed mentionof RINA in the presentation 
given by Evangelos concerning this draft. I'm happy to see that RINA is 
getting some attention from the IRTF community in general and the sdnrg 
in particular.

I've been working on the RINA topic for the better part of the past 2 
years in a number of EC-funded (FP7) projects, IRATI and PRISTINE, and 
am technical lead for a smaller project within Geant3+ (called IRINA) 
focusing on RINA. I'm not entirely sure it's all that relevant to the 
group, but I'd like to comment/clarify a little bit on the RINA 
paragraph (Section 3, page 6).

First two small non-RINA-related comments on the current draft:
1) Definition of Network Device (Section 2, p.5): should the definition 
also include monitoring in addition to manipulation and forwarding?
2) BFD (Section 4.7, p.23): "...physical media that do not support 
failure detection of any kind, such as Ethernet,..." "Ethernet" should 
be carefully defined here, as IEEE 802.3 Autonegotiation and IEEE 
802.1ag do support failure detection of some kind.

For the RINA part:
In a (tiny) nutshell, RINA extends the concept of Inter-Process 
Communication (IPC) to distributed systems and applications. To be more 
precise: communication endpoints are Application Processes (or even more 
precise, the communication tasks within these Applications, named 
Application Entities) that communicate using IPC services (via the IPC 
API). If the Application Processes are on different systems, they use 
another distributed application (called a Distributed IPC facility), 
which is a (homogenous) distributed application consisting of (only) IPC 
processes, exposing the IPC API northbound and using the IPC southbound. 
The IPC API has 3 functions (read/write, register/unregister, 
allocate_flow/deallocate_flow) and can pass a set of parameters to 
request certain service characteristics. This DIF corresponds to a 
"network layer". This recurses until we reach the physical layer, where 
special IPC processes (called Shim IPC processes) are tailored to the 
transmission hardware. These shim IPC processes only expose the IPC API 
northbound.

There have been proposals for a recursive SDN control plane, e.g. within 
the FP7 SPARC (SplitArchitecture) project, where controllers expose 
Openflow both as a northbound and southbound API, but this is not really 
reflected in Figure 1. Even there, I think the commonalities are mostly 
superficial (i.e. there being some form of recursion by having the same 
API northbound and southbound).

I'd be happy to discuss if there are commonalities between RINA and the 
proposed SDN architecture, and contribute to this part of the draft.

cheers,

Dimitri

Haleplidis Evangelos schreef op 7/23/2014 3:50 PM:
> Greetings to the list,
>
> Apologies for the late posting.
> We have submitted a new draft based on the comments and suggestions of the IETF 89 and the mailing list.
>
> Regards,
> Evangelos Haleplidis.
>
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>> Title:		SDN Layers and Architecture Terminology
>> Document date:	2014-07-22
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>> Abstract:
>>     Software-Defined Networking (SDN) can be defined as a new approach
>>     for network programmability.  Network programmability in this
>> context
>>     refers to the capacity to initialize, control, change, and manage
>>     network behavior dynamically via open interfaces as opposed to
>>     relying on closed-box solutions and proprietary interfaces.  SDN
>>     emphasizes the role of software in running networks through the
>>     introduction of an abstraction for the data forwarding plane and, by
>>     doing so, separates it from the control plane.  This separation
>>     allows faster innovation cycles at both planes as experience has
>>     already shown.  However, there is increasing confusion as to what
>>     exactly SDN is, what is the layer structure in an SDN architecture
>>     and how do layers interface with each other.  This document aims to
>>     answer these questions and provide a concise reference document for
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Draft minutes here:
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Thanks to Damien for taking notes.

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<div dir="ltr">Draft minutes here: <a href="http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/minutes/minutes-90-sdnrg">http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/minutes/minutes-90-sdnrg</a><div><br></div><div><div>Thanks to Damien for taking notes.</div>
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Thanks. As I mentioned these are draft; Damien has other clean-ups as well.
Thanks for the comments.

--dmm



On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:48 AM, AshwoodsmithPeter <
Peter.AshwoodSmith@huawei.com> wrote:

>  Dave a few minor corrections to the minutes. Not sure if they get fixed
> but just for the record ;)
>
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> Peter
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> o Alpha fair traffic engineering using
> SDN                                   15 minutes
>
>   Peter Ashwood-Smith <peter.ashwoodsmith@huawei.com>
>
>
>
> [dave] why does that need to be convexe?
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION:* I think you asked =E2=80=9Care the goals actually convex?=
=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> [author] I can=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t cover that here, trust me they ar=
e but I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have
> time to explain
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>
>
> conclusion : can be computed very fast on NetFPGA to globally optimise th=
e
> network
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>
>
> *CORRECTION*: Its =E2=80=9CFPGA=E2=80=9D not NetFPGA .. NetFPGA is a spec=
ific device
> which we did not use, need to change where its used below too.
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> [yakov] in many cases you cannot preempt flows
>
> [author] I am aware of that problem
>
> [luyan] why does has to be combined with segment routing?
>
> [author] does not need, but I am biased against source routing :)
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>
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> *CORRECTION*: =E2=80=9CI believe I said I=E2=80=99m biased *in favor* of =
source routing
> because of the large number of paths required=E2=80=9D
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> [luyan] how many labels can you handles between millions nodes?
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> *CORRECTION*=E2=80=9D I believe she was asking about the label depth
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> [author] that implies a large amount of state
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> [author] that does not work with lose routing, I must be able to bind to =
a
> precise link
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> [luyan] then you will have a lot of segments and so many labels on the
> stack of packets
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>
>
> *CORRECTION* I thought I answered =E2=80=9Csource routing is not equal to=
 label
> stacks=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> [xiaoqing] how do you rate allocation accross the flows?
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>
>
> [author] it is not every single possible path between route and
> destination but the good ones. How do you place the flows on good paths
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION* I believe I said =E2=80=9Creasonable paths between source an=
d
> destination that cover most of the =E2=80=98cut=E2=80=99 between source a=
nd destination=E2=80=9D
> and I think this was part of the answer to luyan.
>
>
>
> [xiaoqing] if you consider it as a SDN? why in hard?
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>
> *CORRECTION* =E2=80=9Cwhy in hardware=E2=80=9D was I think the question
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>
>
>
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> [author] you need a mechanism to deal with very high performance vector
> operations if you have general purpose hardware able to do vector stuff i=
t
> can do the job, but I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know such hardware. We=
 looked at GPU but
> moved to fpga. We tried multi-processors but memory exchanges between cor=
es
> were a problem
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>
>
> *CORRECTION* fixed some typos in the above.
>
>
>
> [xiaoqing] how to enforce all the flow rates to all applications?
>
> [author] the output of the decision is input of traffic policers.  Of
> course you have some mismatch between the optimal and the real but if you
> scale up the number of flows it is closer and closer to the optimal
>
>
>
> CORRECTION fixed some typos in above.
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>
> *From:* sdn [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] *On Behalf Of *David Meyer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:28 PM
> *To:* SDN IRTF list
> *Subject:* [Sdn] Draft SDNRG 90 minutes posted
>
>
>
> Draft minutes here:
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/minutes/minutes-90-sdnrg
>
>
>
> Thanks to Damien for taking notes.
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> --dmm
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks. As I mentioned these are draft; Damien has other c=
lean-ups as well. Thanks for the comments.<div><br></div><div>--dmm</div><d=
iv><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:48 AM, AshwoodsmithPeter <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:Peter.AshwoodSmith@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.Ashw=
oodSmith@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>






<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Dave a few minor corrections to the minutes. Not sure if t=
hey get fixed but just for the record ;)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Peter<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">o Alpha fair traffic engineering using SDN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 15 minutes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0 Peter Ashwood-Smith &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:peter.ash=
woodsmith@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">peter.ashwoodsmith@huawei.com</a>&g=
t;<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[dave] why does that need to be convexe?<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION:</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> I think you asked =E2=80=9Care the goa=
ls actually convex?=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] I can=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t cover that here, t=
rust me they are but I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have time to explain<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">conclusion : can be computed very fast on NetFPGA to globa=
lly optimise the network<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">: Its =E2=80=9CFPGA=E2=80=9D not NetFPGA=
 .. NetFPGA is a specific device which we did not use, need to change where
 its used below too.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[yakov] in many cases you cannot preempt flows<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] I am aware of that problem<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[luyan] why does has to be combined with segment routing?<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] does not need, but I am biased against source rou=
ting :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">: =E2=80=9CI believe I said I=E2=80=99m =
biased
<u>in favor</u> of source routing because of the large number of paths requ=
ired=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[luyan] how many labels can you handles between millions n=
odes?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=E2=80=9D I believe she was asking about=
 the label depth<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] that implies a large amount of state<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] that does not work with lose routing, I must be a=
ble to bind to a precise link<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[luyan] then you will have a lot of segments and so many l=
abels on the stack of packets<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> I thought I answered =E2=80=9Csource ro=
uting is not equal to label stacks=E2=80=9D
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[xiaoqing] how do you rate allocation accross the flows?<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] it is not every single possible path between rout=
e and destination but the good ones. How do you place the flows on good pat=
hs<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> I believe I said =E2=80=9Creasonable pa=
ths between source and destination that cover most of the =E2=80=98cut=E2=
=80=99 between
 source and destination=E2=80=9D and I think this was part of the answer to=
 luyan.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[xiaoqing] if you consider it as a SDN? why in hard?<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> =E2=80=9Cwhy in hardware=E2=80=9D was I=
 think the question<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] you need a mechanism to deal with very high perfo=
rmance vector operations if you have general purpose hardware able to do ve=
ctor stuff it can do the job, but I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know
 such hardware. We looked at GPU but moved to fpga. We tried multi-processo=
rs but memory exchanges between cores were a problem<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> fixed some typos in the above.<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[xiaoqing] how to enforce all the flow rates to all applic=
ations?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] the output of the decision is input of traffic po=
licers. =C2=A0Of course you have some mismatch between the optimal and the =
real but if you scale up the number of flows it is
 closer and closer to the optimal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">CORRECTION fixed some typos in above.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> sdn [mai=
lto:<a href=3D"mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org" target=3D"_blank">sdn-bounces@i=
rtf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Meyer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> SDN IRTF list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Sdn] Draft SDNRG 90 minutes posted<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
</div><div class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Draft minutes here: <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/p=
roceedings/90/minutes/minutes-90-sdnrg" target=3D"_blank">
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/minutes/minutes-90-sdnrg</a><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to Damien for taking notes.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">--dmm<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div></div>
</div>

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From: David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net>
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Should have been done. --dmm


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:44 AM, AshwoodsmithPeter <
Peter.AshwoodSmith@huawei.com> wrote:

>  Dave, looks like my comment is in moderation. I guess the links tripped
> it. Can you unblock it?
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From:* sdn [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] *On Behalf Of *AshwoodsmithPete=
r
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:07 PM
> *To:* David Meyer; SDN IRTF list
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdn] Draft SDNRG 90 minutes posted
>
>
>
> Hey All,
>
>
>
> Three quick points on the alpha fairness presentation that I gave at SDNR=
G
> last week:
>
>
>
> 1-      I got a lot of requests for the long paper. We sent out copies
> but if we missed anybody it is available at this link:
>
> http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~frank/PAPERS/hotsdn.html
>
>
>
> 2-      David asked about the convex nature of the problem and I hand
> waived about it ;) I spoke with Frank Kelley this morning and he emailed =
me
> the following more robust answer to David=E2=80=99s question, including s=
ome
> references:
>
>
>
> *The optimization problem is deliberately formulated to be convex (the
> maximization of a concave function over a convex region). In particular, =
we
> use the controlled splitting idea from T. Voice. Stability of multi-path
> dual congestion control algorithms. IEEE/ACM Transactions on Networking,
> 15(6):1231=E2=80=931239, December 2007.*
>
> *http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D1373478
> <http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D1373478>*
>
>
>
> *The philosophy is that of J. He, J. Rexford, M. Chiang. Design for
> Optimizability: Traffic Management of a Future Internet
> http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-84882-765-3_1
> <http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-84882-765-3_1>*
>
> *(or Don't optimize existing protocols, design optimizable protocols*
>
> *http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D1273452
> <http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D1273452> ).*
>
>
>
> 3-  I believe I alluded to TCP actually doing a form of alpha-fairness as
> a distributed solution*. A more precise answer is that TCP solves the
> problem where alpha=3D2 and the weights are 1/T_s where T_s is the round =
trip
> time for the connection. The reference is here: *Reference:  e.g. Chapter
> 7.4 and 8.2 of http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~frank/BOOKS/sn.html
>
>
>
> As noted this will be presented at hotSDN and one of the authors will be
> there (Bill McCormik) and I=E2=80=99m sure he will be happy to answer det=
ailed
> questions on any aspects of this work with the exception of the hardware
> implementation which we can only discuss at a high level.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* David Meyer [mailto:dmm@1-4-5.net <dmm@1-4-5.net>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:16 AM
> *To:* AshwoodsmithPeter
> *Cc:* SDN IRTF list
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdn] Draft SDNRG 90 minutes posted
>
>
>
> Thanks. As I mentioned these are draft; Damien has other clean-ups as
> well. Thanks for the comments.
>
>
>
> --dmm
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:48 AM, AshwoodsmithPeter <
> Peter.AshwoodSmith@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> Dave a few minor corrections to the minutes. Not sure if they get fixed
> but just for the record ;)
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> o Alpha fair traffic engineering using
> SDN                                   15 minutes
>
>   Peter Ashwood-Smith <peter.ashwoodsmith@huawei.com>
>
>
>
> [dave] why does that need to be convexe?
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION:* I think you asked =E2=80=9Care the goals actually convex?=
=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> [author] I can=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t cover that here, trust me they ar=
e but I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have
> time to explain
>
>
>
> conclusion : can be computed very fast on NetFPGA to globally optimise th=
e
> network
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION*: Its =E2=80=9CFPGA=E2=80=9D not NetFPGA .. NetFPGA is a spec=
ific device
> which we did not use, need to change where its used below too.
>
>
>
> [yakov] in many cases you cannot preempt flows
>
> [author] I am aware of that problem
>
> [luyan] why does has to be combined with segment routing?
>
> [author] does not need, but I am biased against source routing :)
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION*: =E2=80=9CI believe I said I=E2=80=99m biased *in favor* of =
source routing
> because of the large number of paths required=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> [luyan] how many labels can you handles between millions nodes?
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION*=E2=80=9D I believe she was asking about the label depth
>
>
>
> [author] that implies a large amount of state
>
> [author] that does not work with lose routing, I must be able to bind to =
a
> precise link
>
> [luyan] then you will have a lot of segments and so many labels on the
> stack of packets
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION* I thought I answered =E2=80=9Csource routing is not equal to=
 label
> stacks=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> [xiaoqing] how do you rate allocation accross the flows?
>
>
>
> [author] it is not every single possible path between route and
> destination but the good ones. How do you place the flows on good paths
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION* I believe I said =E2=80=9Creasonable paths between source an=
d
> destination that cover most of the =E2=80=98cut=E2=80=99 between source a=
nd destination=E2=80=9D
> and I think this was part of the answer to luyan.
>
>
>
> [xiaoqing] if you consider it as a SDN? why in hard?
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION* =E2=80=9Cwhy in hardware=E2=80=9D was I think the question
>
>
>
>
>
> [author] you need a mechanism to deal with very high performance vector
> operations if you have general purpose hardware able to do vector stuff i=
t
> can do the job, but I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know such hardware. We=
 looked at GPU but
> moved to fpga. We tried multi-processors but memory exchanges between cor=
es
> were a problem
>
>
>
> *CORRECTION* fixed some typos in the above.
>
>
>
> [xiaoqing] how to enforce all the flow rates to all applications?
>
> [author] the output of the decision is input of traffic policers.  Of
> course you have some mismatch between the optimal and the real but if you
> scale up the number of flows it is closer and closer to the optimal
>
>
>
> CORRECTION fixed some typos in above.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* sdn [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] *On Behalf Of *David Meyer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:28 PM
> *To:* SDN IRTF list
> *Subject:* [Sdn] Draft SDNRG 90 minutes posted
>
>
>
> Draft minutes here:
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/minutes/minutes-90-sdnrg
>
>
>
> Thanks to Damien for taking notes.
>
>
>
> --dmm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Should have been done. --dmm</div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Ash=
woodsmithPeter <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.AshwoodSmith@h=
uawei.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter.AshwoodSmith@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Dave, looks like my comme=
nt is in moderation. I guess the links tripped it. Can you unblock it?<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Peter<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> sdn [mai=
lto:<a href=3D"mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org" target=3D"_blank">sdn-bounces@i=
rtf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>AshwoodsmithPeter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Meyer; SDN IRTF list</span></p><div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Sdn] Draft SDNRG 90 minutes posted<u></u><u></u></div>=
</div><p></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hey All,<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Three quick points on the=
 alpha fairness presentation that I gave at SDNRG last week:<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>1-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I got a lot of reque=
sts for the long paper. We sent out copies but if we missed anybody it is a=
vailable at this link:<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p style=3D"text-indent:.5in"><a href=3D"http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~fra=
nk/PAPERS/hotsdn.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~fra=
nk/PAPERS/hotsdn.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><span>2-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">David asked about th=
e convex nature of the problem and I hand waived about it ;) I spoke with F=
rank Kelley this morning and he emailed me the following
 more robust answer to David=E2=80=99s question, including some references:=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><i>The optimization problem is deliberately f=
ormulated to be convex (the maximization of a concave function over a conve=
x region). In particular, we use the controlled splitting idea from T. Voic=
e. Stability
 of multi-path dual congestion control algorithms. IEEE/ACM Transactions on=
 Networking, 15(6):1231=E2=80=931239, December 2007.<u></u><u></u></i></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><i><a href=3D"http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?=
id=3D1373478" target=3D"_blank">http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D1373478=
</a><u></u><u></u></i></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><i><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></i></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><i>The philosophy is that of J. He, J. Rexfor=
d, M. Chiang. Design for Optimizability: Traffic Management of a Future Int=
ernet
<a href=3D"http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-84882-765-3_1" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-84882-765-3_=
1</a><u></u><u></u></i></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><i>(or Don&#39;t optimize existing protocols,=
 design optimizable protocols<u></u><u></u></i></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><i><a href=3D"http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?=
id=3D1273452" target=3D"_blank">http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3D1273452=
</a> ).<u></u><u></u></i></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><i><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></i></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in">
<u></u><span>3-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=
=A0
</span></span><u></u>I believe I alluded to TCP actually doing a form of al=
pha-fairness as a distributed solution<i>. A more precise answer is that TC=
P solves the problem where alpha=3D2 and the weights are 1/T_s where T_s is=
 the round trip time for the connection.
 The reference is here: </i>Reference:=C2=A0 e.g. Chapter 7.4 and 8.2 of <a=
 href=3D"http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~frank/BOOKS/sn.html" target=3D"_bla=
nk">
http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~frank/BOOKS/sn.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">As noted this will be pre=
sented at hotSDN and one of the authors will be there (Bill McCormik) and I=
=E2=80=99m sure he will be happy to answer detailed questions on
 any aspects of this work with the exception of the hardware implementation=
 which we can only discuss at a high level.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Peter<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> David Me=
yer [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@1-4-5.net" target=3D"_blank">mailto:dmm@1-4-5.ne=
t</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> AshwoodsmithPeter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> SDN IRTF list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Sdn] Draft SDNRG 90 minutes posted<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks. As I mentioned these are draft; Damien has o=
ther clean-ups as well. Thanks for the comments.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">--dmm<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:48 AM, AshwoodsmithPeter &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Peter.AshwoodSmith@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">Peter=
.AshwoodSmith@huawei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Dave a few minor corrections to the minutes. Not sure if t=
hey get fixed but just for the record ;)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Peter</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">o Alpha fair traffic engineering using SDN=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 15 minutes</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0 Peter Ashwood-Smith &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:peter.ash=
woodsmith@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">peter.ashwoodsmith@huawei.com</a>&g=
t;</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[dave] why does that need to be convexe?</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION:</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> I think you asked =E2=80=9Care the goa=
ls actually
 convex?=E2=80=9D</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] I can=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t cover that here, t=
rust me they are but I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have time to explain</s=
pan><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">conclusion : can be computed very fast on NetFPGA to globa=
lly optimise the network</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">: Its =E2=80=9CFPGA=E2=80=9D not NetFPGA=
 .. NetFPGA is
 a specific device which we did not use, need to change where its used belo=
w too.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[yakov] in many cases you cannot preempt flows</span><u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] I am aware of that problem</span><u></u><u></u></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[luyan] why does has to be combined with segment routing?<=
/span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] does not need, but I am biased against source rou=
ting :)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">: =E2=80=9CI believe I said I=E2=80=99m =
biased
<u>in favor</u> of source routing because of the large number of paths requ=
ired=E2=80=9D</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[luyan] how many labels can you handles between millions n=
odes?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=E2=80=9D I believe she was asking about=
 the label
 depth</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] that implies a large amount of state</span><u></u=
><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] that does not work with lose routing, I must be a=
ble to bind to a precise link</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[luyan] then you will have a lot of segments and so many l=
abels on the stack of packets</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> I thought I answered =E2=80=9Csource ro=
uting is
 not equal to label stacks=E2=80=9D </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[xiaoqing] how do you rate allocation accross the flows?</=
span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] it is not every single possible path between rout=
e and destination but the good ones. How do you place the flows
 on good paths</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> I believe I said =E2=80=9Creasonable pa=
ths between
 source and destination that cover most of the =E2=80=98cut=E2=80=99 betwee=
n source and destination=E2=80=9D and I think this was part of the answer t=
o luyan.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[xiaoqing] if you consider it as a SDN? why in hard?</span=
><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> =E2=80=9Cwhy in hardware=E2=80=9D was I=
 think the question</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] you need a mechanism to deal with very high perfo=
rmance vector operations if you have general purpose hardware
 able to do vector stuff it can do the job, but I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=
=A2t know such hardware. We looked at GPU but moved to fpga. We tried multi=
-processors but memory exchanges between cores were a problem</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;">CORRECTION</span></u><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"> fixed some typos in the above.</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[xiaoqing] how to enforce all the flow rates to all applic=
ations?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">[author] the output of the decision is input of traffic po=
licers. =C2=A0Of course you have some mismatch between the optimal
 and the real but if you scale up the number of flows it is closer and clos=
er to the optimal</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">CORRECTION fixed some typos in above.</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> sdn [mai=
lto:<a href=3D"mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org" target=3D"_blank">sdn-bounces@i=
rtf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Meyer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 29, 2014 8:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> SDN IRTF list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Sdn] Draft SDNRG 90 minutes posted</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Draft minutes here:
<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/minutes/minutes-90-sdnrg" tar=
get=3D"_blank">
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/minutes/minutes-90-sdnrg</a><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to Damien for taking notes.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">--dmm<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>

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