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Passwords for seamoby-archive@lists.ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- seamoby@ietf.org Zzch https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/options/seamoby/seamoby-archive@lists.ietf.org From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Thu May 2 08:21:31 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA17668 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01673; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01646 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA17099; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205021217.IAA17099@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: seamoby@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 08:17:38 -0400 Subject: [Seamoby] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-seamoby-card-requirements-00.txt Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for CAR Discovery Protocols Author(s) : G. Krishnamurthi Filename : draft-ietf-seamoby-card-requirements-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 01-May-02 The pre-requisite for IP based seamless mobility protocols is the knowledge of the access router (AR) to which a mobile node can be handed over to. Further, a handoff can be optimized if the capabilities of the AR being considered for handoff are known. The protocol which discovers ARs for potential handoff along with their capabilities is called the CAR discovery protocol. In this draft we list the requirements which are to be met by any solution for CAR Discovery. 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This draft is a work item of the Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for CAR Discovery Protocols Author(s) : G. Krishnamurthi Filename : draft-ietf-seamoby-card-requirements-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 01-May-02 The pre-requisite for IP based seamless mobility protocols is the knowledge of the access router (AR) to which a mobile node can be handed over to. Further, a handoff can be optimized if the capabilities of the AR being considered for handoff are known. The protocol which discovers ARs for potential handoff along with their capabilities is called the CAR discovery protocol. In this draft we list the requirements which are to be met by any solution for CAR Discovery. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020501141253.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-seamoby-card-requirements-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-seamoby-card-requirements-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020501141253.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Thu May 2 11:34:40 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06842 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14858; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14828 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe15.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.119]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06218 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:28:10 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [138.15.107.101] Reply-To: "Eunsoo Shim" From: "Eunsoo Shim" To: References: <933FADF5E673D411B8A30002A5608A0E034DB901@zrc2c012.us.nortel.com> Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Minutes for Meeting at IETF 53 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:32:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0182_01C1F1CC.FC658AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2002 15:28:10.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[F77B4A40:01C1F1ED] Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C1F1CC.FC658AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Seamoby] Minutes for Meeting at IETF 53I agree with Glenn that we = should move forward. Thanks. Eunsoo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Glenn Morrow=20 To: Charles E. Perkins=20 Cc: seamoby@ietf.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Minutes for Meeting at IETF 53 Very very well said - let's move on to the analysis and agreement of a = standard from a set of candidate solutions to this problem space, = please. > I heard Steve's presentation. I asked a question at the microphone=20 > about whether he believed it precluded network-controlled operation. = > He said it did not, but he wanted to restore mobile nodes to be=20 > full citizens (paraphrasing, and it's been a few weeks now).=20 > Subsequent discussion seems to be going to extremes, to the point=20 > of ignoring obviously reasonable network-constrolled designs for=20 > which [seamoby] ought to be responsive.=20 >=20 > The paper you cite does not preclude such operation. We can=20 > view the mobile node as a client which is making use of available=20 > service. If the network provides the service, it is free to=20 > establish parameters by which it provides the service, and if=20 > it is beneficial to have a mobile node move to another point of=20 > attachment, I see nothing wrong with notifying the node about=20 > that, along with a good candidate for an access router. I don't=20 > see any reason why the network should be restricted from using=20 > a CAR discovery protoocol to identify such a candidate.=20 >=20 > > Maybe the question is what business Seamoby has here?=20 >=20 > My answer would be that [seamoby] ought to be making protocols=20 > by which we can expedite smooth handovers. That's a good piece=20 > of work, and one for which we can exhibit existence proofs to=20 > show that it is possible. I think that so far that there has=20 > been trouble to get agreement on "general" goals, but that there=20 > are particular instances where the intended results should be=20 > obvious. I believe these particular instances include=20 > network-controlled and mobile-controlled scenarios.=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 >=20 > Somewhere else, it was stated that only the mobile node can=20 > possibly know all of the CARs. I would amend this to instead=20 > say that the mobile node can always know about CARs that are=20 > not visible to the network. But, as it turns out, the network=20 > can always know CARs that are not visible to the mobile node=20 > also. So, we have to allow the mobile node to make the choice,=20 > but we should not prevent the mobile node from following=20 > network-directives. Thus, we should develop a model by which=20 > CAR discovery is allowed to provide input to a network-controlled=20 > handover scheme, which is nonetheless subject to possible rejection=20 > by the mobile node.=20 >=20 > Regards,=20 > Charlie P.=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > Seamoby mailing list=20 > Seamoby@ietf.org=20 > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C1F1CC.FC658AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Seamoby] Minutes for Meeting at IETF 53
I agree with Glenn that we should move=20 forward.
Thanks.
 
Eunsoo
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Glenn Morrow
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 = 11:23=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Minutes = for=20 Meeting at IETF 53

Very very well said - let's move on to the analysis = and=20 agreement of a standard from a set of candidate solutions to this = problem=20 space, please.

> I heard Steve's presentation.  I asked a = question at=20 the microphone
> about whether he = believed it=20 precluded network-controlled operation.
> = He said=20 it did not, but he wanted to restore mobile nodes to be =
> full citizens (paraphrasing, and it's been a few weeks=20 now).
> Subsequent discussion seems to be = going to=20 extremes, to the point
> of ignoring = obviously=20 reasonable network-constrolled designs for
> which=20 [seamoby] ought to be responsive.
>=20
> The paper you cite does not preclude = such=20 operation.  We can
> view the mobile = node as a=20 client which is making use of available
> = service.  If the network provides the service, it is free = to=20
> establish parameters by which it provides the = service,=20 and if
> it is beneficial to have a = mobile node=20 move to another point of
> attachment, I = see=20 nothing wrong with notifying the node about
> that,=20 along with a good candidate for an access router.  I don't =
> see any reason why the network should be = restricted from=20 using
> a CAR discovery protoocol to = identify such=20 a candidate.
>
>=20 >   Maybe the question is what business Seamoby has = here?=20
>
> My answer would = be that=20 [seamoby] ought to be making protocols
> = by which=20 we can expedite smooth handovers.  That's a good piece =
> of work, and one for which we can exhibit existence = proofs=20 to
> show that it is possible.  I = think that=20 so far that there has
> been trouble to = get=20 agreement on "general" goals, but that there
> are=20 particular instances where the intended results should be =
> obvious.  I believe these particular instances = include=20
> network-controlled and mobile-controlled=20 scenarios.
>
>=20 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20
>
> Somewhere else, = it was=20 stated that only the mobile node can
> = possibly=20 know all of the CARs.  I would amend this to instead =
> say that the mobile node can always know about CARs that = are
> not visible to the network.  = But, as it=20 turns out, the network
> can always know = CARs that=20 are not visible to the mobile node
> = also. =20 So, we have to allow the mobile node to make the choice, =
> but we should not prevent the mobile node from = following=20
> network-directives.  Thus, we should = develop a=20 model by which
> CAR discovery is allowed = to=20 provide input to a network-controlled
> = handover=20 scheme, which is nonetheless subject to possible rejection =
> by the mobile node.
> =
> Regards,
> Charlie = P.
>
>=20 _______________________________________________
>=20 Seamoby mailing list
> = Seamoby@ietf.org=20
> https://www1.ietf= .org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby=20
>

------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C1F1CC.FC658AA0-- _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Thu May 2 11:34:41 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06853 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA15656 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14858; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14828 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe15.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.119]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06218 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:28:10 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [138.15.107.101] Reply-To: "Eunsoo Shim" From: "Eunsoo Shim" To: References: <933FADF5E673D411B8A30002A5608A0E034DB901@zrc2c012.us.nortel.com> Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Minutes for Meeting at IETF 53 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:32:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0182_01C1F1CC.FC658AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2002 15:28:10.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[F77B4A40:01C1F1ED] Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C1F1CC.FC658AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Seamoby] Minutes for Meeting at IETF 53I agree with Glenn that we = should move forward. Thanks. Eunsoo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Glenn Morrow=20 To: Charles E. Perkins=20 Cc: seamoby@ietf.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Minutes for Meeting at IETF 53 Very very well said - let's move on to the analysis and agreement of a = standard from a set of candidate solutions to this problem space, = please. > I heard Steve's presentation. I asked a question at the microphone=20 > about whether he believed it precluded network-controlled operation. = > He said it did not, but he wanted to restore mobile nodes to be=20 > full citizens (paraphrasing, and it's been a few weeks now).=20 > Subsequent discussion seems to be going to extremes, to the point=20 > of ignoring obviously reasonable network-constrolled designs for=20 > which [seamoby] ought to be responsive.=20 >=20 > The paper you cite does not preclude such operation. We can=20 > view the mobile node as a client which is making use of available=20 > service. If the network provides the service, it is free to=20 > establish parameters by which it provides the service, and if=20 > it is beneficial to have a mobile node move to another point of=20 > attachment, I see nothing wrong with notifying the node about=20 > that, along with a good candidate for an access router. I don't=20 > see any reason why the network should be restricted from using=20 > a CAR discovery protoocol to identify such a candidate.=20 >=20 > > Maybe the question is what business Seamoby has here?=20 >=20 > My answer would be that [seamoby] ought to be making protocols=20 > by which we can expedite smooth handovers. That's a good piece=20 > of work, and one for which we can exhibit existence proofs to=20 > show that it is possible. I think that so far that there has=20 > been trouble to get agreement on "general" goals, but that there=20 > are particular instances where the intended results should be=20 > obvious. I believe these particular instances include=20 > network-controlled and mobile-controlled scenarios.=20 >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 >=20 > Somewhere else, it was stated that only the mobile node can=20 > possibly know all of the CARs. I would amend this to instead=20 > say that the mobile node can always know about CARs that are=20 > not visible to the network. But, as it turns out, the network=20 > can always know CARs that are not visible to the mobile node=20 > also. So, we have to allow the mobile node to make the choice,=20 > but we should not prevent the mobile node from following=20 > network-directives. Thus, we should develop a model by which=20 > CAR discovery is allowed to provide input to a network-controlled=20 > handover scheme, which is nonetheless subject to possible rejection=20 > by the mobile node.=20 >=20 > Regards,=20 > Charlie P.=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > Seamoby mailing list=20 > Seamoby@ietf.org=20 > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0182_01C1F1CC.FC658AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Seamoby] Minutes for Meeting at IETF 53
I agree with Glenn that we should move=20 forward.
Thanks.
 
Eunsoo
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Glenn Morrow
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 = 11:23=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Minutes = for=20 Meeting at IETF 53

Very very well said - let's move on to the analysis = and=20 agreement of a standard from a set of candidate solutions to this = problem=20 space, please.

> I heard Steve's presentation.  I asked a = question at=20 the microphone
> about whether he = believed it=20 precluded network-controlled operation.
> = He said=20 it did not, but he wanted to restore mobile nodes to be =
> full citizens (paraphrasing, and it's been a few weeks=20 now).
> Subsequent discussion seems to be = going to=20 extremes, to the point
> of ignoring = obviously=20 reasonable network-constrolled designs for
> which=20 [seamoby] ought to be responsive.
>=20
> The paper you cite does not preclude = such=20 operation.  We can
> view the mobile = node as a=20 client which is making use of available
> = service.  If the network provides the service, it is free = to=20
> establish parameters by which it provides the = service,=20 and if
> it is beneficial to have a = mobile node=20 move to another point of
> attachment, I = see=20 nothing wrong with notifying the node about
> that,=20 along with a good candidate for an access router.  I don't =
> see any reason why the network should be = restricted from=20 using
> a CAR discovery protoocol to = identify such=20 a candidate.
>
>=20 >   Maybe the question is what business Seamoby has = here?=20
>
> My answer would = be that=20 [seamoby] ought to be making protocols
> = by which=20 we can expedite smooth handovers.  That's a good piece =
> of work, and one for which we can exhibit existence = proofs=20 to
> show that it is possible.  I = think that=20 so far that there has
> been trouble to = get=20 agreement on "general" goals, but that there
> are=20 particular instances where the intended results should be =
> obvious.  I believe these particular instances = include=20
> network-controlled and mobile-controlled=20 scenarios.
>
>=20 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20
>
> Somewhere else, = it was=20 stated that only the mobile node can
> = possibly=20 know all of the CARs.  I would amend this to instead =
> say that the mobile node can always know about CARs that = are
> not visible to the network.  = But, as it=20 turns out, the network
> can always know = CARs that=20 are not visible to the mobile node
> = also. =20 So, we have to allow the mobile node to make the choice, =
> but we should not prevent the mobile node from = following=20
> network-directives.  Thus, we should = develop a=20 model by which
> CAR discovery is allowed = to=20 provide input to a network-controlled
> = handover=20 scheme, which is nonetheless subject to possible rejection =
> by the mobile node.
> =
> Regards,
> Charlie = P.
>
>=20 _______________________________________________
>=20 Seamoby mailing list
> = Seamoby@ietf.org=20
> https://www1.ietf= .org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby=20
>

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Awaiting your urgent reply and please do not FORGET TO INCLUDE YOUR PRIVATE FAX AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS FOR EASY COMMUNICATION. Thank you and God bless. Yours truly, Mr.Michael Onyeze. _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Tue May 7 00:23:09 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18312 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA18628 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18275; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18240 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eudoramail.com ([217.78.74.104]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA18216 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 00:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205070419.AAA18216@ietf.org> From: "MR.Michael Onyeze" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 04:23:35 +0200 Reply-To: "MR.Michael Onyeze" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Seamoby] (no subject) Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mr.Michael Onyeze. 178 Dikko close Lagos-Nigeria Fax:234 1 7591693 Attn: President/Ceo. In order to transfer out Fifty Two Million United States Dollars from African Development Bank. I wish to ask for your assistance, believing that you will never let me down either now or in future. I got your e-mail address from the e-mail directory in the internet. I am Mr. Michael Onyeze, the Chief Auditor of African Development Bank (ADB). There was an account opened in this bank in 1983 and since 1989 nobody has operated on this account till date. After my long investigation to my greatest suprise I came to find out that the owner of the account who is Mr.Peter B. Andreas, a foreigner, crude oil exporter, who died in 1990. This account has no beneficiary, infact no other person knows about this account or anything about the account, and my investigation proved to me as well that this company does not exist anymore in NIgeria. The amount involved is USD 52M, which i seek your consent to transfer to a safe foreign account. I do not know any foreigner that i can trust either than you, I am only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be claimed by a Nigerian because the rightful owner of the account (Mr. Peter) is a foreigner and has dead. I know that this mail will come to you as a surprise as we do not know each other before hand. we will be needed to sign an Agreement as a security so that we cannot betray the trust that will be given to each other in this legitimate and joint venture, which demand utmost secrecy and confidential. I am contacting you because of the need to involve a foreigner with foreign account and foreign beneficiary. I need your full co-operation for us to have a successful transaction. Because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account, which I will give to you immediately i receive your positive reply. With my position now in the office I can authorise the immediate transfer of this money to any foreign reliable account which you can provide with assurance that this money will be intact pending my physical arrival in your country for sharing and further investment. I will destroy all documents used in this transaction immediately we must have transferred this money to your nominated account sucessfully, so as to avoid any document trace by any person. I will apply for annual leave to get visa to your country immediately you confirm me that you are willing to assist me. I will also use my position and influence to effect legal approvals and onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate clearance forms of the ministries and foreign exchange departments. At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 20% of the total amount, 75% will be for me, while 5% will be for expenses both parties might have incurred during the process of transferring. Awaiting your urgent reply and please do not FORGET TO INCLUDE YOUR PRIVATE FAX AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS FOR EASY COMMUNICATION. Thank you and God bless. Yours truly, Mr.Michael Onyeze. _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Tue May 21 01:48:09 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA10933 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA23783; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA23754 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eudoramail.com ([217.78.74.104]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id BAA10825 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205210545.BAA10825@ietf.org> From: "michael onyeze" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:39:25 +0200 Reply-To: "michael onyeze" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Seamoby] (no subject) Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mr.Michael Onyeze. 178 Dikko close Lagos-Nigeria Fax:234 1 7591693 Attn: President/Ceo. In order to transfer out Fifty Two Million United States Dollars from African Development Bank. I wish to ask for your assistance, believing that you will never let me down either now or in future. I got your e-mail address from the e-mail directory in the internet. I am Mr. Michael Onyeze, the Chief Auditor of African Development Bank (ADB). There was an account opened in this bank in 1983 and since 1989 nobody has operated on this account till date. After my long investigation to my greatest suprise I came to find out that the owner of the account who is Mr.Peter B. Andreas, a foreigner, crude oil exporter, who died in 1990. This account has no beneficiary, infact no other person knows about this account or anything about the account, and my investigation proved to me as well that this company does not exist anymore in NIgeria. The amount involved is USD 52M, which i seek your consent to transfer to a safe foreign account. I do not know any foreigner that i can trust either than you, I am only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be claimed by a Nigerian because the rightful owner of the account (Mr. Peter) is a foreigner and has dead. I know that this mail will come to you as a surprise as we do not know each other before hand. we will be needed to sign an Agreement as a security so that we cannot betray the trust that will be given to each other in this legitimate and joint venture, which demand utmost secrecy and confidential. I am contacting you because of the need to involve a foreigner with foreign account and foreign beneficiary. I need your full co-operation for us to have a successful transaction. Because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account, which I will give to you immediately i receive your positive reply. With my position now in the office I can authorise the immediate transfer of this money to any foreign reliable account which you can provide with assurance that this money will be intact pending my physical arrival in your country for sharing and further investment. I will destroy all documents used in this transaction immediately we must have transferred this money to your nominated account sucessfully, so as to avoid any document trace by any person. I will apply for annual leave to get visa to your country immediately you confirm me that you are willing to assist me. I will also use my position and influence to effect legal approvals and onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate clearance forms of the ministries and foreign exchange departments. At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 20% of the total amount, 75% will be for me, while 5% will be for expenses both parties might have incurred during the process of transferring. Awaiting your urgent reply and please do not FORGET TO INCLUDE YOUR PRIVATE FAX AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS FOR EASY COMMUNICATION. Thank you and God bless. Yours truly, Mr.Michael Onyeze. _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Tue May 21 01:48:09 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA10945 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA23806 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA23783; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA23754 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eudoramail.com ([217.78.74.104]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id BAA10825 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 01:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205210545.BAA10825@ietf.org> From: "michael onyeze" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:39:25 +0200 Reply-To: "michael onyeze" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Seamoby] (no subject) Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mr.Michael Onyeze. 178 Dikko close Lagos-Nigeria Fax:234 1 7591693 Attn: President/Ceo. In order to transfer out Fifty Two Million United States Dollars from African Development Bank. I wish to ask for your assistance, believing that you will never let me down either now or in future. I got your e-mail address from the e-mail directory in the internet. I am Mr. Michael Onyeze, the Chief Auditor of African Development Bank (ADB). There was an account opened in this bank in 1983 and since 1989 nobody has operated on this account till date. After my long investigation to my greatest suprise I came to find out that the owner of the account who is Mr.Peter B. Andreas, a foreigner, crude oil exporter, who died in 1990. This account has no beneficiary, infact no other person knows about this account or anything about the account, and my investigation proved to me as well that this company does not exist anymore in NIgeria. The amount involved is USD 52M, which i seek your consent to transfer to a safe foreign account. I do not know any foreigner that i can trust either than you, I am only contacting you as a foreigner because this money can not be claimed by a Nigerian because the rightful owner of the account (Mr. Peter) is a foreigner and has dead. I know that this mail will come to you as a surprise as we do not know each other before hand. we will be needed to sign an Agreement as a security so that we cannot betray the trust that will be given to each other in this legitimate and joint venture, which demand utmost secrecy and confidential. I am contacting you because of the need to involve a foreigner with foreign account and foreign beneficiary. I need your full co-operation for us to have a successful transaction. Because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account, which I will give to you immediately i receive your positive reply. With my position now in the office I can authorise the immediate transfer of this money to any foreign reliable account which you can provide with assurance that this money will be intact pending my physical arrival in your country for sharing and further investment. I will destroy all documents used in this transaction immediately we must have transferred this money to your nominated account sucessfully, so as to avoid any document trace by any person. I will apply for annual leave to get visa to your country immediately you confirm me that you are willing to assist me. I will also use my position and influence to effect legal approvals and onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate clearance forms of the ministries and foreign exchange departments. At the conclusion of this business, you will be given 20% of the total amount, 75% will be for me, while 5% will be for expenses both parties might have incurred during the process of transferring. Awaiting your urgent reply and please do not FORGET TO INCLUDE YOUR PRIVATE FAX AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS FOR EASY COMMUNICATION. Thank you and God bless. Yours truly, Mr.Michael Onyeze. _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Sat May 25 07:52:48 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA20111 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 07:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA05302; Sat, 25 May 2002 07:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA05261 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 07:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([211.95.74.8]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA20027; Sat, 25 May 2002 07:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from test (66.148.133.66.nw.nuvox.net [66.148.133.66]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11043; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:39:53 +0800 Message-Id: <200205251239.UAA11043@localhost.localdomain> Reply-To: medbrkthrgh77@yahoo.com From: medbrkthrgh77943211@yahoo.com To: seaman@cira.colostate.edu CC: seamoby-request@ietf.org, seamoby@ietf.org, seamonsp@bones.et.byu.edu, seamster@ifriendly.com, seamus@debian.org, seamus@iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 04:49:26 -0700 Subject: [Seamoby] Medical Breakthrough... aging can be reversed with HGH Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org There are three different types of HGH products. 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IN THOUSANDS OF CLINICAL STUDIES, HGH HAS BEEN SHOWN TO ACCOMPLISH THE FOLLOWING: * Reduce Body Fat and Build Lean Muscle WITHOUT EXERCISE! * Enhance Sexual Performance * Remove Wrinkles and Cellulite * Lower Blood Pressure and Improve Cholesterol Profile * Improve Sleep, Vision and Memory * Restore Hair Color and Growth * Strengthen the Immune System * Increase Energy and Cardiac Output * Turn back your body's Biological Time Clock 10 - 20 years * Live Longer AND Stronger All natural and organic plant based FEEL 10 YEARS YOUNGER WITH ORAL SPRAY HGH. GUARANTEED We are the manufacturer and we sell directly to Doctors, Chiropractors, and consumers world wide the highest grade HGH Oral Spray available. With internet marketing, we are able to save advertising cost and pass those savings along to you. But you must act now. To receive more information call us now. TOLL FREE 1-888-621-7300 We must speak to you in person to qualify your usage. All of your questions will be addressed and answered in a friendly, no pressure manner. Our main purpose is to provide you with information so you can make an educated decision. For more information call 1-888-621-7300 If you are on line write down our phone number and call us when you can. Soon, you and your loved ones will be very glad you did. Read what people are saying: "The effects of 6 months of GH on lean body mass and fat were equivalent in magnitude to the changes incurred during 10-20 years of aging." Dr. Daniel Rudman, MD, New England Journal of Medicine. "Within four months, my body fat decreased form 30% down to 21%! I noticed my skin is more supple and my overall mental outlook improved significantly." D.W., New Jersey "We have been on the spray for just 3 weeks now, and besides the tremendous energy we both feel, my husbands allergies and spells of depression have lifted. I am healing extremely fast after an accident and have lost 7 lbs. without trying!" C.B., Flagstaff. AZ Thanks for reading our letter, The HGH Staff USA Division PS: The HGH Staff guarantees the highest quality and lowest price. We manufacture and ship directly to your door. Call us now 1-888-621-7300 ======= End of message ======== The following statement is provided to be in compliance with commercial email laws. If you do not wish to receive further mailings, please click reply and type remvoe in the subject box. Then click send. This message is in full compliance with U.S. Federal requirements for commercial email under bill S.1618 Title lll, Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) passed by the 105th U.S. Congress and is not considered SPAM since it includes a remove mechanism.* This message is not intended for residents in the states of CA, NC, NV, RI, TN, VA & WA. Screening of addresses has been done to the best of our technical ability. Call us now 1-888-621-7300 for your free HGH consultation. Thank you -- 94321111100000000 _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@ns.ietf.org Sat May 25 07:52:49 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA20126 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 07:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA05519 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 25 May 2002 07:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA05302; Sat, 25 May 2002 07:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA05261 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 07:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([211.95.74.8]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA20027; Sat, 25 May 2002 07:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from test (66.148.133.66.nw.nuvox.net [66.148.133.66]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11043; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:39:53 +0800 Message-Id: <200205251239.UAA11043@localhost.localdomain> Reply-To: medbrkthrgh77@yahoo.com From: medbrkthrgh77943211@yahoo.com To: seaman@cira.colostate.edu CC: seamoby-request@ietf.org, seamoby@ietf.org, seamonsp@bones.et.byu.edu, seamster@ifriendly.com, seamus@debian.org, seamus@iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 04:49:26 -0700 Subject: [Seamoby] Medical Breakthrough... aging can be reversed with HGH Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org There are three different types of HGH products. The confusion is that all three are advertised as if they were the same. The three types are: 1) --- Homeopathic HGH 2) --- Pre-cursor HGH 3) --- Real or synthetic HGH (delivered by injection or, by an oral spray method). Do you know differences? Call us and we'll explain them to you. Our toll free number is 1-888-621-7300 An HGH staff member is avialable 9 to 5 Pacific Time. If after hours, please leave you name and day and evening phone numbers. We will call you back in a no pressure, educational manner. If you are overseas call your long distance operator and ask to be connected to our phone number. We will call you back so we can pay for the long distance charges. For more information on HGH read on............ HAVE YOU HEARD OF HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE (HGH)??? Released by your own pituitary gland, HGH starts declining in your 20s, even more in your 30s and 40s, eventually resulting in the shrinkage of major organs -- plus, all other symptoms related to old age. IN THOUSANDS OF CLINICAL STUDIES, HGH HAS BEEN SHOWN TO ACCOMPLISH THE FOLLOWING: * Reduce Body Fat and Build Lean Muscle WITHOUT EXERCISE! * Enhance Sexual Performance * Remove Wrinkles and Cellulite * Lower Blood Pressure and Improve Cholesterol Profile * Improve Sleep, Vision and Memory * Restore Hair Color and Growth * Strengthen the Immune System * Increase Energy and Cardiac Output * Turn back your body's Biological Time Clock 10 - 20 years * Live Longer AND Stronger All natural and organic plant based FEEL 10 YEARS YOUNGER WITH ORAL SPRAY HGH. GUARANTEED We are the manufacturer and we sell directly to Doctors, Chiropractors, and consumers world wide the highest grade HGH Oral Spray available. With internet marketing, we are able to save advertising cost and pass those savings along to you. But you must act now. To receive more information call us now. TOLL FREE 1-888-621-7300 We must speak to you in person to qualify your usage. All of your questions will be addressed and answered in a friendly, no pressure manner. Our main purpose is to provide you with information so you can make an educated decision. For more information call 1-888-621-7300 If you are on line write down our phone number and call us when you can. Soon, you and your loved ones will be very glad you did. Read what people are saying: "The effects of 6 months of GH on lean body mass and fat were equivalent in magnitude to the changes incurred during 10-20 years of aging." Dr. Daniel Rudman, MD, New England Journal of Medicine. "Within four months, my body fat decreased form 30% down to 21%! I noticed my skin is more supple and my overall mental outlook improved significantly." D.W., New Jersey "We have been on the spray for just 3 weeks now, and besides the tremendous energy we both feel, my husbands allergies and spells of depression have lifted. I am healing extremely fast after an accident and have lost 7 lbs. without trying!" 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Thank you -- 94321111100000000 _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Mon May 27 16:04:15 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24406 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05007; Mon, 27 May 2002 15:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04976 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 15:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web14208.mail.yahoo.com (web14208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.72]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA24260 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 15:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020527195805.46958.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [47.80.30.31] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2002 12:58:05 PDT Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Praveen Muley To: seamoby@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Seamoby] test Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Mon May 27 16:04:16 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24416 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA05804 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 May 2002 16:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05007; Mon, 27 May 2002 15:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04976 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 15:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web14208.mail.yahoo.com (web14208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.72]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA24260 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 15:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020527195805.46958.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [47.80.30.31] by web14208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 May 2002 12:58:05 PDT Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Praveen Muley To: seamoby@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Seamoby] test Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Mon May 27 21:34:12 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA27153 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18249; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18212 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (fwuser@key1.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.225]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA27051 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005d01c205e5$f6b03d30$516015ac@T23KEMPF> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:21:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] Yokohama Meeting? Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Currently, we have two documents with the IESG (CT Problem Statement and CT Requirements), one document that is undergoing revision as the result of preliminary IESG comments from Allision (CARD Problem Statement), and one document that is undergoing revision as a result of WG Last Call comments (CARD Requirements). According to the editors, the revisions of the CARD Problem Statement and Requirements are expected to be completed in the next couple weeks, so we should have ample time to do a WG last call before the cutoff date for documents. The CT Problem Statement and Requirements are apparently going to take more work, since there appears to be substantial reservations by the IESG about them. Given that we do not yet have approval to start the protocol selection process, Pat and I don't think there is enough time before Yokohama to complete resolving IESG reservations and completing protocol selection. We thus have nothing to discuss in Yokohama unless somebody has some other suggestions. In order for people to be able to arrange their travel plans early, Pat and I would like to suggest that Seamoby not meet in Yokohama. Comments? jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Mon May 27 21:34:12 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA27161 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA19269 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18249; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18212 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (fwuser@key1.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.225]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA27051 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 21:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005d01c205e5$f6b03d30$516015ac@T23KEMPF> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:21:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] Yokohama Meeting? Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Currently, we have two documents with the IESG (CT Problem Statement and CT Requirements), one document that is undergoing revision as the result of preliminary IESG comments from Allision (CARD Problem Statement), and one document that is undergoing revision as a result of WG Last Call comments (CARD Requirements). According to the editors, the revisions of the CARD Problem Statement and Requirements are expected to be completed in the next couple weeks, so we should have ample time to do a WG last call before the cutoff date for documents. The CT Problem Statement and Requirements are apparently going to take more work, since there appears to be substantial reservations by the IESG about them. Given that we do not yet have approval to start the protocol selection process, Pat and I don't think there is enough time before Yokohama to complete resolving IESG reservations and completing protocol selection. We thus have nothing to discuss in Yokohama unless somebody has some other suggestions. In order for people to be able to arrange their travel plans early, Pat and I would like to suggest that Seamoby not meet in Yokohama. Comments? jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Mon May 27 22:07:57 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27837 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20764; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20736 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27793 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (darkstar.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.69]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-GLGS) with ESMTP id TAA09058; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id g4S22AY07642; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:02:10 -0700 X-mProtect: <200205280202> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (205.226.2.89, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdapavVh; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:02:08 PDT Message-ID: <3CF2E520.60095B8D@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:02:08 -0700 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf CC: seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Yokohama Meeting? References: <005d01c205e5$f6b03d30$516015ac@T23KEMPF> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello James, I think we ought to find out what the IESG thinks is wrong with the documents, and discuss the problems. If the working group meeting is scheduled and not needed, then it can be cancelled. If the meeting is needed but not scheduled, then it will be far more difficult to organize a reasonable meeting time that is suitable for the participants. Regards, Charlie P. James Kempf wrote: > > Currently, we have two documents with the IESG (CT Problem Statement and > CT Requirements), one document that is undergoing revision as the result > of preliminary IESG comments from Allision (CARD Problem Statement), and > one document that is undergoing revision as a result of WG Last Call > comments (CARD Requirements). According to the editors, the revisions of > the CARD Problem Statement and Requirements are expected to be completed > in the next couple weeks, so we should have ample time to do a WG last > call before the cutoff date for documents. > > The CT Problem Statement and Requirements are apparently going to take > more work, since there appears to be substantial reservations by the > IESG about them. Given that we do not yet have approval to start the > protocol selection process, Pat and I don't think there is enough time > before Yokohama to complete resolving IESG reservations and completing > protocol selection. > > We thus have nothing to discuss in Yokohama unless somebody has some > other suggestions. In order for people to be able to arrange their > travel plans early, Pat and I would like to suggest that Seamoby not > meet in Yokohama. > > Comments? > > jak > > _______________________________________________ > Seamoby mailing list > Seamoby@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Mon May 27 22:41:18 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA28475 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22801; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22770 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (fwuser@key1.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.225]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA28415 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f901c205f0$4c0e9830$516015ac@T23KEMPF> From: "James Kempf" To: "Charles E. Perkins" Cc: References: <005d01c205e5$f6b03d30$516015ac@T23KEMPF> <3CF2E520.60095B8D@iprg.nokia.com> Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Yokohama Meeting? Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:35:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charlie, > I think we ought to find out what the IESG thinks is wrong with > the documents, and discuss the problems. > We will do that in any case. The issue is whether we need to do it at a face to face meeting or if we can do it over the mailing list. If we can manage to get a consolidated statement of the problems out of the IESG prior to the meeting, I suspect the discussion will probably start on the mailing list. > If the working group meeting is scheduled and not needed, > then it can be cancelled. If the meeting is needed but not > scheduled, then it will be far more difficult to organize a > reasonable meeting time that is suitable for the participants. > The difficulty is with travel arrangements. If we schedule a meeting and cancel it at the last minute, people who are only coming to Japan for Seamoby will be left with expensive airline tickets and hotel reservations that they cannot use. A couple of members have already asked about this. Any other strong opinions on this? jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Mon May 27 22:41:19 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA28485 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA23114 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22801; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22770 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (fwuser@key1.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.225]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA28415 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f901c205f0$4c0e9830$516015ac@T23KEMPF> From: "James Kempf" To: "Charles E. Perkins" Cc: References: <005d01c205e5$f6b03d30$516015ac@T23KEMPF> <3CF2E520.60095B8D@iprg.nokia.com> Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Yokohama Meeting? Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:35:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charlie, > I think we ought to find out what the IESG thinks is wrong with > the documents, and discuss the problems. > We will do that in any case. The issue is whether we need to do it at a face to face meeting or if we can do it over the mailing list. If we can manage to get a consolidated statement of the problems out of the IESG prior to the meeting, I suspect the discussion will probably start on the mailing list. > If the working group meeting is scheduled and not needed, > then it can be cancelled. If the meeting is needed but not > scheduled, then it will be far more difficult to organize a > reasonable meeting time that is suitable for the participants. > The difficulty is with travel arrangements. If we schedule a meeting and cancel it at the last minute, people who are only coming to Japan for Seamoby will be left with expensive airline tickets and hotel reservations that they cannot use. A couple of members have already asked about this. Any other strong opinions on this? jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Mon May 27 22:59:03 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27850 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA20987 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20764; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20736 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27793 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 22:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (darkstar.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.69]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-GLGS) with ESMTP id TAA09058; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id g4S22AY07642; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:02:10 -0700 X-mProtect: <200205280202> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (205.226.2.89, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdapavVh; Mon, 27 May 2002 19:02:08 PDT Message-ID: <3CF2E520.60095B8D@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:02:08 -0700 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf CC: seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Yokohama Meeting? References: <005d01c205e5$f6b03d30$516015ac@T23KEMPF> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello James, I think we ought to find out what the IESG thinks is wrong with the documents, and discuss the problems. If the working group meeting is scheduled and not needed, then it can be cancelled. If the meeting is needed but not scheduled, then it will be far more difficult to organize a reasonable meeting time that is suitable for the participants. Regards, Charlie P. James Kempf wrote: > > Currently, we have two documents with the IESG (CT Problem Statement and > CT Requirements), one document that is undergoing revision as the result > of preliminary IESG comments from Allision (CARD Problem Statement), and > one document that is undergoing revision as a result of WG Last Call > comments (CARD Requirements). According to the editors, the revisions of > the CARD Problem Statement and Requirements are expected to be completed > in the next couple weeks, so we should have ample time to do a WG last > call before the cutoff date for documents. > > The CT Problem Statement and Requirements are apparently going to take > more work, since there appears to be substantial reservations by the > IESG about them. Given that we do not yet have approval to start the > protocol selection process, Pat and I don't think there is enough time > before Yokohama to complete resolving IESG reservations and completing > protocol selection. > > We thus have nothing to discuss in Yokohama unless somebody has some > other suggestions. In order for people to be able to arrange their > travel plans early, Pat and I would like to suggest that Seamoby not > meet in Yokohama. > > Comments? > > jak > > _______________________________________________ > Seamoby mailing list > Seamoby@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Wed May 29 08:55:49 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA14733 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09968; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09901 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emztd1806.com ([216.139.170.76]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA14432 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205291249.IAA14432@ietf.org> From: "Mr. Pakwesi Oduro" Reply-To: pakwesioduro@lycos.com To: seamoby@ietf.org Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:53:38 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===_SecAtt_000_1fvipomenjtsib" Subject: [Seamoby] (no subject) Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org --===_SecAtt_000_1fvipomenjtsib Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --===_SecAtt_000_1fvipomenjtsib Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="pakwesi.doc" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pakwesi.doc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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_______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Wed May 29 19:43:14 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA07635 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26721; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26690 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA07571 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (darkstar.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.69]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-GLGS) with ESMTP id QAA03830; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id g4TNdtT31568; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:39:55 -0700 X-mProtect: <200205292339> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (205.226.2.90, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdVsMGwC; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:39:53 PDT Message-ID: <3CF566C9.D8EAC000@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:39:53 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf CC: "Charles E. Perkins" , seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Yokohama Meeting? References: <005d01c205e5$f6b03d30$516015ac@T23KEMPF> <3CF2E520.60095B8D@iprg.nokia.com> <00f901c205f0$4c0e9830$516015ac@T23KEMPF> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jim, we should try to get what the issues are from IESG as soon as possible and begin discussion. We can then discuss the outstanding issues at the meeting. Regards, -Rajeev James Kempf wrote: > Charlie, > > > I think we ought to find out what the IESG thinks is wrong with > > the documents, and discuss the problems. > > > > We will do that in any case. The issue is whether we need to do it at a > face to face meeting or if we can do it over the mailing list. If we can > manage to get a consolidated statement of the problems out of the IESG > prior to the meeting, I suspect the discussion will probably start on > the mailing list. > > > If the working group meeting is scheduled and not needed, > > then it can be cancelled. If the meeting is needed but not > > scheduled, then it will be far more difficult to organize a > > reasonable meeting time that is suitable for the participants. > > > > The difficulty is with travel arrangements. If we schedule a meeting and > cancel it at the last minute, people who are only coming to Japan for > Seamoby will be left with expensive airline tickets and hotel > reservations that they cannot use. A couple of members have already > asked about this. > > Any other strong opinions on this? > > jak > > _______________________________________________ > Seamoby mailing list > Seamoby@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@ns.ietf.org Wed May 29 19:43:16 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA07658 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA26800 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26721; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26690 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA07571 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (darkstar.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.69]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-GLGS) with ESMTP id QAA03830; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id g4TNdtT31568; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:39:55 -0700 X-mProtect: <200205292339> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (205.226.2.90, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdVsMGwC; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:39:53 PDT Message-ID: <3CF566C9.D8EAC000@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:39:53 -0700 From: Rajeev Koodli Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf CC: "Charles E. Perkins" , seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Yokohama Meeting? References: <005d01c205e5$f6b03d30$516015ac@T23KEMPF> <3CF2E520.60095B8D@iprg.nokia.com> <00f901c205f0$4c0e9830$516015ac@T23KEMPF> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Jim, we should try to get what the issues are from IESG as soon as possible and begin discussion. We can then discuss the outstanding issues at the meeting. Regards, -Rajeev James Kempf wrote: > Charlie, > > > I think we ought to find out what the IESG thinks is wrong with > > the documents, and discuss the problems. > > > > We will do that in any case. The issue is whether we need to do it at a > face to face meeting or if we can do it over the mailing list. If we can > manage to get a consolidated statement of the problems out of the IESG > prior to the meeting, I suspect the discussion will probably start on > the mailing list. > > > If the working group meeting is scheduled and not needed, > > then it can be cancelled. If the meeting is needed but not > > scheduled, then it will be far more difficult to organize a > > reasonable meeting time that is suitable for the participants. > > > > The difficulty is with travel arrangements. If we schedule a meeting and > cancel it at the last minute, people who are only coming to Japan for > Seamoby will be left with expensive airline tickets and hotel > reservations that they cannot use. A couple of members have already > asked about this. > > Any other strong opinions on this? > > jak > > _______________________________________________ > Seamoby mailing list > Seamoby@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From seamoby-admin@ietf.org Wed May 29 21:04:32 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA09550 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02385; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02272 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maktoob.com ([217.78.74.104]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA09395 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205300057.UAA09395@ietf.org> From: "GEN.HAMA SALAMA" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 01:07:48 +0200 Reply-To: "GEN.HAMA SALAMA" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Seamoby] BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP PROPOSAL Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP PROPOSAL Dear Sir, I received encouraging information about you, hence I decided to contact you. 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Yours Gen Hama Salama Military CommanderWestern Sahara _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From daemon@ns.ietf.org Wed May 29 21:04:33 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA09560 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA03409 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 21:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02385; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02272 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maktoob.com ([217.78.74.104]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA09395 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200205300057.UAA09395@ietf.org> From: "GEN.HAMA SALAMA" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 01:07:48 +0200 Reply-To: "GEN.HAMA SALAMA" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Seamoby] BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP PROPOSAL Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP PROPOSAL Dear Sir, I received encouraging information about you, hence I decided to contact you. I am Gen. Hama Salama, Military Commander with POLISARIO(Political Front for the Liberation of Western Sahara) and a member of council of the National Secretariat of Western Sahara(Saharawi Democratic Republic). See web site: www.arso.org or www.arso.org/secr.nate99.htm to confirm about me and also know more about Western Sahara. Prior to my promotion to this command, I was the second in command to the former military boss. He was killed in battle in early January. Some private , religious and corporate organizations who recognize us assist/aid us always in the war prosecution. Before the death of my former boss, we were given some funds(US$55m) to procures ammunitions. My boss deposited it with a private security company in Europe. It was only I and him that are aware of thiscash deposit. I now want to claim this funds and I have all the relating documents needed to collect the deposit including the Certificate of Deposit with which the Cash was deposited as Precious stones and The Deposit Agreement. I therefore want you to team up with me to collect the funds in Europe as I require a foreigner to perfect the operation. Let me know your terms. I will provide you with all the necessary documentation needed and there are no risks involved. It is a simple and straight transaction but must bekept highly confidential. Upon the receipt of your positive response, further details and the method of operation will be communicated to you. Therefore if you are interested, please do reach me via an immediate reply mail. I will want everything about this transaction to be treated in strictest confidence even if you are notinterested.I await your response. 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