From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 7 06:08:49 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02878 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AeBXy-0004jQ-FM for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:08:22 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i07B8Mvr018187 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:08:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AeBXy-0004jG-A7 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:08:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02857 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AeBXu-0001ZH-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:08:18 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AeBVw-0001Sg-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:06:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AeBUo-0001Mw-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:05:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AeBUm-0003kf-Mu; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:05:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AeBTo-0003jH-ND for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:04:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02716 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AeBTk-0001IR-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:04:01 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AeBS9-0001EN-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:02:21 -0500 Received: from smtp6.clb.oleane.net ([213.56.31.26]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AeBRY-00017q-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:01:44 -0500 Received: from oleane ([194.206.151.59]) by smtp6.clb.oleane.net with SMTP id i07B1EO0028150 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:01:14 +0100 Message-ID: <025401c3d50e$8e0ed120$0601a8c0@www.oleane.com> From: "Peter Lewis" To: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:08:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0251_01C3D516.EF9015A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Subject: [Seamoby] WiFi Voice Conference - Paris Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0251_01C3D516.EF9015A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The WiFi Voice Conference will stand in Paris next May 25 to 28, 2004. QoS, security, roaming, interoperability, architectures : distinguished = experts=20 and key players in the field will address these questions with detailed = and=20 technical explanations.=20 =20 More details at: http://www.upperside.fr/wifivoice04/wifivoice04intro.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0251_01C3D516.EF9015A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The WiFi Voice Conference will stand in Paris next = May 25 to=20 28, 2004.
QoS, security, roaming, interoperability, architectures :=20 distinguished experts
and key players in the field will address = these=20 questions with detailed and
technical explanations. =
 
More=20 details at:
http://www.upperside.fr/wifivoice04/wifivoice04intro.htm<= /A>
------=_NextPart_000_0251_01C3D516.EF9015A0-- _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 9 10:37:22 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06078 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aeygv-0003A1-UK for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:36:54 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i09Farka012145 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:36:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aeygv-00039o-P7 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:36:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05930 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aeygt-0000Ws-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:36:51 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AeyfA-0000Gn-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:35:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AeydG-00001A-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:33:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AeydE-0002LM-E7; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:33:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aeycf-0002JQ-IM for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:32:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04751 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aeycc-0007fq-02 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:32:26 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AeyUs-0007IX-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:24:27 -0500 Received: from smtp5.clb.oleane.net ([213.56.31.25]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AeyUA-0007CT-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:23:42 -0500 Received: from oleane ([194.206.151.59]) by smtp5.clb.oleane.net with SMTP id i09FNBf3025035 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:23:11 +0100 Message-ID: <032201c3d6c5$7e88c5e0$0601a8c0@www.oleane.com> From: "Peter Lewis" To: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 16:30:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_031F_01C3D6CD.E00A0A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Subject: [Seamoby] WiMAX Summit call for papers Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_031F_01C3D6CD.E00A0A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The dead line of the WiMAX Summit call for papers has been extended to = January 30th.=20 =20 All details at: http://www.upperside.fr/wimax04/wimax04intro.htm The WiMAX Summit will be held in Paris next May 2004 25-28=20 ------=_NextPart_000_031F_01C3D6CD.E00A0A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The dead line of the WiMAX Summit call for = papers has=20 been extended to January 30th.=20
 
All details at:
 
http://www.uppe= rside.fr/wimax04/wimax04intro.htm
 
The WiMAX Summit  will be held in Paris next May 2004 25-28=20
------=_NextPart_000_031F_01C3D6CD.E00A0A60-- _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 13 12:57:13 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29301 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgSmU-0000e5-He for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:56:46 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0DHukYw002475 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:56:46 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgSmU-0000dq-DU for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:56:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29293 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgSmS-0000zI-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:56:44 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgSkp-0000uF-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:55:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgSjy-0000ms-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:54:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgSjo-0000Uc-OP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:54:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgSj1-0000U4-Re for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:53:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29037 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgSj0-0000ja-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:53:10 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgSgy-0000aL-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:51:05 -0500 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgSg4-0000Rc-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:50:08 -0500 Message-ID: <058b01c3d9fd$bf343990$606015ac@dclkempt40> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:50:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] Draft Status Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, Here's a quick update on Seamoby drafts. draft-ietf-seamoby-mobility-terminology was approved by the IESG for publication as an Informational RFC and will be sent to the RFC Editor shortly. draft-ietf-seamoby-ctp and draft-ietf-seamoby-card-protocol were sent to the Drafts Editor last week, but there's some kind of delay there and they are not getting published. If people want to look at them, they are here: http://www.ccrle.nec.de/I-D/draft-ietf-seamoby-card-protocol-06.txt http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-ctp-07.txt These drafts are going to the IESG just as soon as the Secretariat gets around to posting them. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 13 16:04:49 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12909 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgVi1-00037m-35 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:04:21 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0DL4LmH012004 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:04:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgVi0-00037X-V8 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:04:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12858 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgVhz-0004qj-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:04:19 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgVgH-0004nz-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:02:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgVep-0004l6-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:01:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgVeo-0002rH-KU; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:01:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgVeM-0002q6-5e for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:00:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12748 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgVeK-0004jK-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:00:32 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgVcW-0004gR-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:58:41 -0500 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgVbt-0004cf-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:58:01 -0500 Message-ID: <0c7701c3da17$78fc9cf0$1c6015ac@dcldendukuri> From: "Raghu" To: Cc: "James Kempf" References: <058b01c3d9fd$bf343990$606015ac@dclkempt40> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:54:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] CTP Message Length Field Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Length field in all CTP Messages is 8 bits long and indicates the length of the complete CT Message. It means the maximum message length is 256 bytes. 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are all the problems considered to be more or less solved or has there been a consensus on a general change of the approach? please provide me with some information on this topic. thank a lot for your time! artur hecker ENST Paris _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 14 09:44:13 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA20663 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgmFF-0003AD-2Z for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:43:45 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0EEhjjD012155 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:43:45 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgmFE-00039y-Tu for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:43:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA20656 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgmFC-0006Va-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:43:42 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgmEI-0006Ua-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:42:47 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgmDX-0006TW-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:41:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgmDY-0002zo-9s; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:42:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgmDO-0002zW-Hr for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:41:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA20599 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgmDM-0006SY-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:41:48 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgmCS-0006RU-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:40:52 -0500 Received: from [131.227.74.4] (helo=phoebe.eim.surrey.ac.uk ident=exim) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgmBw-0006Ou-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:40:20 -0500 Received: from ccsrmclt03.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.86.163] helo=eim.surrey.ac.uk ident=eep5mg) by phoebe.eim.surrey.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #4) id 1AgmBY-0004IX-00; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:39:56 +0000 Message-ID: <400554BB.1BE98CA6@eim.surrey.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:39:55 +0000 From: Michael Georgiades Organization: University of Surrey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18-17.7.x i686) X-Accept-Language: en, el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Artur Hecker CC: seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] state of the IP micromobility protocols References: <400550C6.70206@enst.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C860CD5181E12EB8CA10A53D" X-Scanner: exiscan *1AgmBY-0004IX-00*Z3YjGc/Jtqs* (SECM, UniS) Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 --------------C860CD5181E12EB8CA10A53D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Artur, I am not sure if you came across the draft below which proposes a context transfer extension to cellular-IP micromobility protocol. A new version of this draft will soon be submitted to IETF with examples. Nevertheless I do agree with the issues you are rasing concerning the lack of activity towards an RFC on the IP micromobility protocols! Title : Context Transfer Extension to Cellular-IP Author(s) : M. Georgiades et al. Filename : draft-georgiades-seamoby-ctecip-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2003-7-1 This Internet draft enhances cellular-IP mobility protocol with a Context Transfer mechanism aiming to further optimise the handoff operation in mobile networks. Within a cellular-IP domain, during the handoff from one cellular-IP base station to another, cellular-IP packets could be used to initiate and transfer authorised context from the previous cellular-IP base station via the cellular-IP gateway to the new cellular-IP base station. This draft presents how the context transfer extension introduced could facilitate in reducing latency and packet loss by avoiding the signalling required between the mobile node and the new base station in re-establishing the desired state information. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-georgiades-seamoby-ctecip-01.txt Cheers, Mike Artur Hecker wrote: > hello seamoby! > > i'm sorry for my intervention. i'm currently studying the IP > micromobility protocols proposed so far (Cellular IP, Hawaii, MIP-RR, > EMA, IDMP, etc.) but i'm suprised to see that there hardly has been any > activity in this sector since 2001: all the drafts seem to be expired, > no RFCs have been published to my knowledge and there are hardly any > publications on this topic anymore. > > so, what is the current state of the IP micromobility protocols? are all > the problems considered to be more or less solved or has there been a > consensus on a general change of the approach? > > please provide me with some information on this topic. > > thank a lot for your time! > > artur hecker > ENST Paris > > _______________________________________________ > Seamoby mailing list > Seamoby@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby --------------C860CD5181E12EB8CA10A53D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Artur,

I am not sure if you came across the draft below which proposes a context transfer extension to cellular-IP micromobility protocol.
A new version of this draft will soon be submitted to IETF with examples.
Nevertheless I do agree with the issues you are rasing concerning the lack of activity towards an RFC on the IP micromobility protocols!

        Title           : Context Transfer Extension to Cellular-IP
        Author(s)  : M. Georgiades et al.
        Filename    : draft-georgiades-seamoby-ctecip-01.txt
        Pages         : 13
        Date           : 2003-7-1
 
This Internet draft enhances cellular-IP mobility protocol with a
Context Transfer mechanism aiming to further optimise the handoff
operation in mobile networks. Within a cellular-IP domain, during the
handoff from one cellular-IP base station to another, cellular-IP
packets could be  used to initiate and transfer authorised context
from the previous cellular-IP base station via the cellular-IP
gateway to the new cellular-IP base station. This draft presents how
the context transfer extension introduced could facilitate in
reducing latency and packet loss by avoiding the signalling required
between the mobile node and the new base station  in  re-establishing
the desired state information.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-georgiades-seamoby-ctecip-01.txt

Cheers,

Mike
 

Artur Hecker wrote:

hello seamoby!

i'm sorry for my intervention. i'm currently studying the IP
micromobility protocols proposed so far (Cellular IP, Hawaii, MIP-RR,
EMA, IDMP, etc.) but i'm suprised to see that there hardly has been any
activity in this sector since 2001: all the drafts seem to be expired,
no RFCs have been published to my knowledge and there are hardly any
publications on this topic anymore.

so, what is the current state of the IP micromobility protocols? are all
the problems considered to be more or less solved or has there been a
consensus on a general change of the approach?

please provide me with some information on this topic.

thank a lot for your time!

artur hecker
ENST Paris

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There was some work in the IRTF Micromobility Research group, but they have
been dormant for about a year. There is a new IRTF MOBility OPTmizationS
(MOBOPTS) Research Group that might be a possible venue.

In general, the work in the IP micromobility area seems to be primarily at
the research level, and there are not, to my knowledge (which may be
incomplete) any plans for near term deployment (either commercial or
experimental) or product in this area. Hence, it seems like a better problem
for IRTF.

            jak

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> hello seamoby!
>
>
> i'm sorry for my intervention. i'm currently studying the IP
> micromobility protocols proposed so far (Cellular IP, Hawaii, MIP-RR,
> EMA, IDMP, etc.) but i'm suprised to see that there hardly has been any
> activity in this sector since 2001: all the drafts seem to be expired,
> no RFCs have been published to my knowledge and there are hardly any
> publications on this topic anymore.
>
> so, what is the current state of the IP micromobility protocols? are all
> the problems considered to be more or less solved or has there been a
> consensus on a general change of the approach?
>
> please provide me with some information on this topic.
>
> thank a lot for your time!
>
>
> artur hecker
> ENST Paris
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Hi Artur & James,

> There was some work in the IRTF Micromobility Research group, but they =
have
> been dormant for about a year. There is a new IRTF MOBility =
OPTmizationS
> (MOBOPTS) Research Group that might be a possible venue.

About the IRTF Micromobility work - this was a small team that was under
the Routing Research Group.  We held a few meetings (at IETF meetings) =
but
the work sort of petered out.=20

> In general, the work in the IP micromobility area seems to be =
primarily at
> the research level, and there are not, to my knowledge (which may be
> incomplete) any plans for near term deployment (either commercial or
> experimental) or product in this area. Hence, it seems like a=20
> better problem for IRTF.

I'd like to add to this point.  It seems that there was much interest
in micromobity before the popping of the Internet/telecom bubble.  =
Recently,
most of the interest in the topic has gone.  At present, I don't see
much driving the need for micromobility, however if there is significant
interest in the topic, I'd be interested hearing it.

thanks,
John

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hi again


thank you very much for your quick replies (especially to michael, eric, 
james and john.)

as expected, i have some more questions though...


>>There was some work in the IRTF Micromobility Research group, but they have
>>been dormant for about a year. There is a new IRTF MOBility OPTmizationS
>>(MOBOPTS) Research Group that might be a possible venue.
> 
> 
> About the IRTF Micromobility work - this was a small team that was under
> the Routing Research Group.  We held a few meetings (at IETF meetings) but
> the work sort of petered out. 

at the IRTF's home page i can only see the mail list discussions. is 
there some kind of repository for documents, or do the people still use 
this strange draft-concept of the IETF? :-)


>>In general, the work in the IP micromobility area seems to be primarily at
>>the research level, and there are not, to my knowledge (which may be
>>incomplete) any plans for near term deployment (either commercial or
>>experimental) or product in this area. Hence, it seems like a 
>>better problem for IRTF.
> 
> I'd like to add to this point.  It seems that there was much interest
> in micromobity before the popping of the Internet/telecom bubble.  Recently,
> most of the interest in the topic has gone.  At present, I don't see
> much driving the need for micromobility, however if there is significant
> interest in the topic, I'd be interested hearing it.

i'd immediately agree that at the moment it's a better problem for the 
IRTF than for the IETF. what i don't get is the real reason why the 
interest has gone. john, could you perhaps explain your point with other 
than financial reasons? those are quite evident; however, public 
research usually does not care a lot about the commercial applicability 
(see e.g. the years of L3 multicast research :)) as long as there are ideas.

my problem is the following: i would like to work on IP micromobility 
protocols because i personally tend to think that there are a lot of 
unresolved questions (e.g. in the security area). but it perturbs me to 
see that "the interest is gone" - that was also my own observation in 
the original mail. so, why has it gone generally? (not specifically in 
the IETF.) (i understand that this list is perhaps not the best place to 
ask, sorry).

lets periphrase: can i still publish on IP micromobility if i have some 
interesting points/results or would everybody just laugh? :-)


thanks a lot

artur hecker
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Hi Artur,

> at the IRTF's home page i can only see the mail list discussions. is=20
> there some kind of repository for documents, or do the people still =
use=20
> this strange draft-concept of the IETF? :-)

Much of the information had been published as internet drafts.

> > I'd like to add to this point.  It seems that there was much =
interest
> > in micromobity before the popping of the Internet/telecom bubble.  =
Recently,
> > most of the interest in the topic has gone.  At present, I don't see
> > much driving the need for micromobility, however if there is =
significant
> > interest in the topic, I'd be interested hearing it.
>=20
> i'd immediately agree that at the moment it's a better problem for the =

> IRTF than for the IETF. what i don't get is the real reason why the=20
> interest has gone. john, could you perhaps explain your point with =
other=20
> than financial reasons? those are quite evident; however, public=20
> research usually does not care a lot about the commercial =
applicability=20
> (see e.g. the years of L3 multicast research :)) as long as=20
> there are ideas.

Some of the interest in micromobility was based upon the assumption
that the demand for mobile data was greater than what it currently is.
Many of the solutions using L2 mobility seem to be sufficient at the
moment.  This leads to a general assumption that macromobility may
be sufficient in the near-term.  The IETF is geared towards solving
near-term problems, and this is why (IMO) macromobility is enough.

> my problem is the following: i would like to work on IP micromobility=20
> protocols because i personally tend to think that there are a lot of=20
> unresolved questions (e.g. in the security area). but it perturbs me =
to=20
> see that "the interest is gone" - that was also my own observation in=20
> the original mail. so, why has it gone generally? (not specifically in =

> the IETF.) (i understand that this list is perhaps not the=20
> best place to ask, sorry).

Why is the interest gone?  Probably because the funding is gone.  But I =
would
note that the IP Mobility Optimizations work in the IRTF may be a good =
place to
look at some of the issues.

http://www.irtf.org/charters/mobopts.html

> lets periphrase: can i still publish on IP micromobility if i have =
some=20
> interesting points/results or would everybody just laugh? :-)

Of course, though the SeaMoby WG is in the process of trying shutting =
down.

John

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Hello All,
We have submitted an updated version of the CARD draft. 
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In response to Raghu's note about the limitation imposed by a one byte
length on context block lengths, I'd like to propose that we change the
units of length from octets to 8 octet words. This would be consistent with
the 64 bit alignment proposed for the entire data block.

The exact wording change in Section 2.4 is:

            old:        Length               message length in octets
            new:      Length                message length in units of 8
octet words

If that's OK with everyone, John, can you put it into the current draft
without changing the version number and ask that the Draft Editor update the
version in place? I think for a simple typo they can do it.

Thanx.

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Raghu further points out (below) that the Message Length in Section 2.5 also
needs to be modified with this change. So I would propose exactly the same
change in Sections 2.5.1, 2.5.2, 2.5.3, 2.5.4, 2.5.5, and 2.5.6.

            jak


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi James,
>
> Section 2.4 is just the CDB. This CDB is just an
> embedded block of  CT Messages described in section 2.5.
> So I think Message Length in section 2.5 should be increased
> more than section 2.4.
>
> regards,
> Raghu
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Kempf" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 1:22 PM
> Subject: [Seamoby] Context Block Length Typo in Section 2.4
>
>
> > In response to Raghu's note about the limitation imposed by a one byte
> > length on context block lengths, I'd like to propose that we change the
> > units of length from octets to 8 octet words. This would be consistent
> with
> > the 64 bit alignment proposed for the entire data block.
> >
> > The exact wording change in Section 2.4 is:
> >
> >             old:        Length               message length in octets
> >             new:      Length                message length in units of 8
> > octet words
> >
> > If that's OK with everyone, John, can you put it into the current draft
> > without changing the version number and ask that the Draft Editor update
> the
> > version in place? I think for a simple typo they can do it.
> >
> > Thanx.
> >
> >             jak
> >
> >
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Assigned: Issue32: CTP Message Length Field=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: seamoby-admin@ietf.org=20
> [mailto:seamoby-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> ext Raghu
> Sent: 13 January, 2004 22:55
> To: seamoby@ietf.org
> Cc: James Kempf
> Subject: [Seamoby] CTP Message Length Field
>=20
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Length field in all CTP Messages is 8 bits long and=20
> indicates the length of the complete CT Message.
>=20
> It means the maximum message length is 256 bytes.
>=20
> As more Feature Profiles are defined, more CDB blocks
> appear in one CTD Message which could easily exceed
> this 256 byte limit.
>=20
> regards,
> Raghu
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From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 
To: "'Artur Hecker'" , seamoby@ietf.org
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Hi,

John's comments about the subject were very on the point and true.
Beside the economical reasons, there was the L2 issues that could not
be resolved in IETF. You might want to look at the brand new IEEE 802.21 
group for related issues!!

Madjid

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hi again


thank you very much for your quick replies (especially to michael, eric, 
james and john.)

as expected, i have some more questions though...


>>There was some work in the IRTF Micromobility Research group, but they have
>>been dormant for about a year. There is a new IRTF MOBility OPTmizationS
>>(MOBOPTS) Research Group that might be a possible venue.
> 
> 
> About the IRTF Micromobility work - this was a small team that was under
> the Routing Research Group.  We held a few meetings (at IETF meetings) but
> the work sort of petered out. 

at the IRTF's home page i can only see the mail list discussions. is 
there some kind of repository for documents, or do the people still use 
this strange draft-concept of the IETF? :-)


>>In general, the work in the IP micromobility area seems to be primarily at
>>the research level, and there are not, to my knowledge (which may be
>>incomplete) any plans for near term deployment (either commercial or
>>experimental) or product in this area. Hence, it seems like a 
>>better problem for IRTF.
> 
> I'd like to add to this point.  It seems that there was much interest
> in micromobity before the popping of the Internet/telecom bubble.  Recently,
> most of the interest in the topic has gone.  At present, I don't see
> much driving the need for micromobility, however if there is significant
> interest in the topic, I'd be interested hearing it.

i'd immediately agree that at the moment it's a better problem for the 
IRTF than for the IETF. what i don't get is the real reason why the 
interest has gone. john, could you perhaps explain your point with other 
than financial reasons? those are quite evident; however, public 
research usually does not care a lot about the commercial applicability 
(see e.g. the years of L3 multicast research :)) as long as there are ideas.

my problem is the following: i would like to work on IP micromobility 
protocols because i personally tend to think that there are a lot of 
unresolved questions (e.g. in the security area). but it perturbs me to 
see that "the interest is gone" - that was also my own observation in 
the original mail. so, why has it gone generally? (not specifically in 
the IETF.) (i understand that this list is perhaps not the best place to 
ask, sorry).

lets periphrase: can i still publish on IP micromobility if i have some 
interesting points/results or would everybody just laugh? :-)


thanks a lot

artur hecker
ENST Paris



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