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The CTP draft states about the MN-AR transport the following: Comment 1: "3.2 MN-AR Transport The MN-AR interface MUST implement and SHOULD use ICMP for transport of = the CTAR and CTAA messages.=20 : : Because ICMP contains no provisions for retransmitting packets if = signaling is lost, the CARD protocol incorporates=20 provisions for improving transport performance on the MN-AR = interface...." It is unclear to the reader why CARD protocol is referenced at this = point? Is the intention to imply piggybacking of CTP and CARD over this = interface? Plane provision of retransmission doesn't seem to be the = motivation since the CTP draft contains already similar retransmission = enhancement to CARD: =20 " CTAR messages for which a response is requested which fail to elicit a = response are retransmitted. The initial retransmission occurs after a CTP_REQUEST_RETRY wait period. Retransmissions MUST be = made with exponentially increasing wait intervals (doubling the wait each time). CTAR messages should be retransmitted until ether a = response (which might be an error) has been obtained, or for CTP_RETRY_MAX seconds occurs." In the CARD draft, section 4.4, there is identical method provided. = Hardly the intention is to run double retransmission scheme. So, it = appears that the CTP is self-contained regarding to the retransmission = and doesn't require any implementation of CARD to be functional. Right? Suggestion: - either to remove the reference to CARD, or add wording to explain what = is meant by the CARD reference. =20 Comment 2 (minor/editorial) to section 2.5.1 The MN MUST sent the sequence number to the same value for the message = sent on both pAR and nAR so pAR can determine whether to use a cached = message. change to=20 =3D> The MN MUST set the sequence number .... 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I AND MY 18YEAR OLD SISTER ARE NOW LEFT ALONE IN THIS STRANGE LAND.WE ARE NOT ONLY REFUGEES ,BUT, OPHANS From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon May 3 14:13:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17550 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 14:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKhha-0002hV-H4 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:58:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i43Hw2NZ010382 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 May 2004 13:58:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKhae-0000qp-RZ for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:50:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16435 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 13:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKhac-0006Ph-Lf for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:50:50 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKhZg-0006Jn-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:49:53 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKhYx-0006EI-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:49:07 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKhMN-0005j4-O7; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:36:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKhGG-0003u5-61 for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:29:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15192 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 13:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKhGE-00048E-4F for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:29:46 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKhFG-00043E-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:28:46 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKhEW-0003yi-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:28:01 -0400 Message-ID: <023001c43134$12159040$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: , References: <2D3EB51EAED985419D54AB340A9D0195C03163@esebe024.ntc.nokia.com> Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:28:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hannu, Thanx for reviewing the draft. Below, comments (prefixed by "jak>>>"). Comment 1: "3.2 MN-AR Transport The MN-AR interface MUST implement and SHOULD use ICMP for transport of the CTAR and CTAA messages. : : Because ICMP contains no provisions for retransmitting packets if signaling is lost, the CARD protocol incorporates provisions for improving transport performance on the MN-AR interface...." It is unclear to the reader why CARD protocol is referenced at this point? Is the intention to imply piggybacking of CTP and CARD over this interface? Plane provision of retransmission doesn't seem to be the motivation since the CTP draft contains already similar retransmission enhancement to CARD: " CTAR messages for which a response is requested which fail to elicit a response are retransmitted. The initial retransmission occurs after a CTP_REQUEST_RETRY wait period. Retransmissions MUST be made with exponentially increasing wait intervals (doubling the wait each time). CTAR messages should be retransmitted until ether a response (which might be an error) has been obtained, or for CTP_RETRY_MAX seconds occurs." In the CARD draft, section 4.4, there is identical method provided. Hardly the intention is to run double retransmission scheme. So, it appears that the CTP is self-contained regarding to the retransmission and doesn't require any implementation of CARD to be functional. Right? Suggestion: - either to remove the reference to CARD, or add wording to explain what is meant by the CARD reference. jak>>> It's a typo, sorry. I'll fix it. Comment 2 (minor/editorial) to section 2.5.1 The MN MUST sent the sequence number to the same value for the message sent on both pAR and nAR so pAR can determine whether to use a cached message. change to => The MN MUST set the sequence number .... jak>>> Again, thanx. I'll fix it. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From AIKVGFC@inv.co.jp Mon May 3 14:20:44 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA18062 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 14:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKi3Y-0001tx-U8 for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:20:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKi2d-0001mJ-00 for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:19:48 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKi1k-0001fx-00 for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:18:52 -0400 Received: from yahoobb220006088192.bbtec.net ([220.6.88.192]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BKi1k-0007Md-GQ for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 14:18:53 -0400 Received: from 184.232.192.188 by 220.6.88.192; Tue, 04 May 2004 00:11:51 +0500 Message-ID: From: "Florence Staton" Reply-To: "Florence Staton" To: seamoby-archive@ietf.org Subject: no more lying in applications - buy a degree from an accredited university here Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:12:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--435739125834998225" X-Webmail-Time: Mon, 03 May 2004 23:11:51 +0400 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=6.6 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_70_80, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING, MIME_HTML_ONLY,MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI,OBFUSCATING_COMMENT autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Report: * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * 0.1 HTML_FONT_BIG BODY: HTML has a big font * 0.1 HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY BODY: HTML has "tbody" tag * 0.0 LINES_OF_YELLING BODY: A WHOLE LINE OF YELLING DETECTED * 0.1 HTML_70_80 BODY: Message is 70% to 80% HTML * 0.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts * 0.8 BIZ_TLD URI: Contains a URL in the BIZ top-level domain * 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI Multipart message only has text/html MIME parts * 4.3 OBFUSCATING_COMMENT HTML comments which obfuscate text ----435739125834998225 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GET

 

----435739125834998225-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon May 3 18:48:26 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09612 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 18:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKmCX-0004rW-3v for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:46:17 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i43MkH0D018682 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 May 2004 18:46:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKm3f-0002Nc-5g for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:37:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09180 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 18:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKm3c-0006uf-4u for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:37:04 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKm2e-0006nb-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:36:05 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKm1z-0006gK-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:35:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKlxo-0000aV-CI; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:31:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKlmD-0006In-Te for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:19:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08172 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 18:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKlmB-0004Ta-10 for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:19:03 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKllF-0004MI-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:18:05 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKlkk-0004FL-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 18:17:34 -0400 Message-ID: <031801c4315c$82836d20$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:18:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, As a reminder, we are now in a review period for changes to the CTP and CARD drafts in response to IESG and AD comments. The review expires this Thurs. May 6 (apologies for the wrong weekday on the original email, May 6 is Thurs. not Tue.). We have already received two sets of comments to the list, one on CTP and one on CARD. If you have any comments, please submit them before Thurs. Remember that at this point we're looking for specific text that needs changing and suggestions for what text should replace or augment it. The drafts are at: http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-card-protocol-07.txt http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-ctp-09.txt http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon May 3 19:24:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA11325 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 19:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKmgT-00041e-QI for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:17:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i43NHDSK015468 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 May 2004 19:17:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKmeQ-0003RB-Kx for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:15:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA10985 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 19:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKmeP-00044w-5U for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:15:05 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKmdc-0003xq-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:14:17 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKmdE-0003pX-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:13:52 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKmXf-0001gi-SA; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:08:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKmTk-0000Rf-IT for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:04:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA10388 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 19:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKmTg-0002be-Tq for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:04:01 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKmSo-0002UW-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:03:07 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKmST-0002NA-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 19:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: <033201c43162$d5b08d10$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Cc: Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:03:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] CARD MN-AR Transport Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I wanted to discuss Marco's comment in a separate thread so that people clearly understand what the issues are. Here's the comment: >---- >4.4 MN-AR Transport >This looks inconsistent and sections on protocol transport >should be covered either by chapter 4 or 5. Now it is split. >Proposal: Move this section to 5.1.1, similar to how it is >done for the AR-AR transport in 5.2.1. > >Why has the retransmission scheme and the assocated protocol >constants changed? Use of exponential bakoff is ok. > >These changes, I cannot associate with any IESG comment. The changes in the latest document for MN-AR transport do not, in fact, correspond to any specific IESG comment, but rather come out of a conversation I had with Allison about transport in CARD (and CTP, but that's not at issue here). The basic issue was lack of exponential backoff in the MN-AR transport protocol. Exponential backoff is an IETF requirement (as in MUST) for any application level datagram-based transport protocol that does retransmissions. The requirement is not simply arbitrary, it comes out of many years of experience in implementation and deployment of these types of protocols. Exceptions are always possible, but expected to be rare. The 06 draft says this about transport on the MN-AR interface (Section 4.4.1, phrased as failure recovery): ---- It is likely that either a MN-AR CA Request or MN-AR CARD Reply may be dropped due to poor radio link conditions. A MN SHALL retransmit the CARD Request using the same message sequence number, if it does not receive a CARD Reply within MR_AR_CARD_TIMEOUT seconds. The MN SHALL retry sending the MN-AR CARD Request for a pre-configured number of times (MN_AR_CARD_RETRIES) before declaring the protocol message exchange aborted. The MN SHALL silently discard any duplicate MN-AR CARD Reply messages received from its current AR and take the latest information received as valid. ---- The 07 draft says this about transport on the MN-AR interface (Section 4.4, phrased as MN-AR transport): ---- The MN-AR interface uses ICMP for transport. Because ICMP messages are limited to a single packet, and because ICMP contains no provisions for retransmitting packets if signaling is lost, the CARD protocol incorporates provisions for improving transport performance on the MN-AR interface. CARD Requests which fail to elicit a response are retransmitted. The initial retransmission occurs after a CARD_REQUEST_RETRY wait period. Retransmissions MUST be made with exponentially increasing wait intervals (doubling the wait each time). CARD Requests should be retransmitted until either a response (which might be an error) has been obtained, or for CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds occurs. ARs MUST discard any CARD Requests having the same sequence number after CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds. MNs which retransmit a CARD Request use the same CARD sequence number. This allows an AR to cache its reply to the original request and then send it again, should a duplicate request arrive. This cached information should only be held for a maximum of CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds after receipt of the request. Sequence numbers SHOULD be randomly chosen to avoid duplicates if MNs restart frequently. MNs SHOULD limit the amount of information requested in a single ICMP reply packet, since ICMP has no provision for fragmentation above the IP level. ---- The differences between these two are: 1) The 07 draft specifies exponential backoff, whereas the 06 draft specifies a fixed number of retries. 2) The name of the wait period constant before the initial retry in the 06 draft is MR_AR_CARD_TIMEOUT while the name in the 07 draft is CARD_REQUEST_RETRY. 3) The 06 draft specifies that the MN issues MN_AR_CARD_RETRIES before giving up while the 07 draft specifies that the MN retransmits with exponential backoff until CARD_RETRY_MAX expire. 4) The 07 version specifies that the AR drops requests after CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds. The 06 version doesn't put any time limit on replies. 4) The 07 version allows the AR to cache its reply for CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds after first sending it so that it can quickly resend should the reply be lost and the MN request retransmission. 5) The 07 version is more explicit about how sequence numbers should be chosen: that the request and any retransmissions have the same sequence numbers, that the sequence number should be randomly chosen to avoid possible duplicates (it should probably also say that the request and reply seq numbers should match, though that is said elsewhere in the document). 6) The 07 version gives additional guidance about limiting the amount of information requested to avoid the need for fragmentation. Basically, the additions to the 07 draft were made to implement exponential backoff, and to strengthen the use of sequence numbers. W.r.t. the changes in constant names, we could revert CARD_REQUEST_RETRY to the name used in the 06 draft and change CARD_RETRY_MAX to something like MN_AR_CARD_RETRY_MAX if people don't like the new naming convention. Other than that, it is difficult to see what could be dropped without harming the guidance on exponential backoff. So my recommendation is that we keep the current text as is, with the exception that the WG consider merging Section 4.4 with Section 5.2.1 to form a single top level section that deals with transport, and that we add a sentence to paragraph 3 saying that the request and reply have the same seq number. For those of you who would like to check how a similar protocol specifies exponential backoff, please see RFC 2608 Section 12.3. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 03:07:08 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA13290 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKtxj-0002aD-Nc for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:03:32 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4473VWX009930 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:03:31 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKttg-0001y7-3J for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:59:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12922 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 02:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKttc-0001L3-95 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:59:16 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKtsd-0001AJ-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:58:16 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKtrc-0000qi-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:57:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKtoX-0000d6-Rh; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:54:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKtm6-0000BT-4b for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:51:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12517 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 02:51:26 -0400 (EDT) From: john.loughney@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKtm2-0007d9-97 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:51:26 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKtl2-0007SY-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:50:24 -0400 Received: from mgw-x2.nokia.com ([131.228.20.22]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKtki-0007IU-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:50:04 -0400 Received: from esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (esdks004.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.159]) by mgw-x2.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i446o4H24987; Tue, 4 May 2004 09:50:04 +0300 (EET DST) X-Scanned: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:49:39 +0300 Nokia Message Protector V1.3.30 2004040916 - RELEASE Received: (from root@localhost) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id i446ndms025763; Tue, 4 May 2004 09:49:39 +0300 Received: from mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (172.21.143.96) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com 00ESVQBu; Tue, 04 May 2004 09:49:38 EEST Received: from esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh004.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.84]) by mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i446nXH14305; Tue, 4 May 2004 09:49:33 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebe023.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.115]) by esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Tue, 4 May 2004 09:49:20 +0300 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:49:16 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Thread-Index: AcQxXv0L8k0j2ZRrQVK7+41xwc020wARDsqQ To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2004 06:49:20.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED742A60:01C431A3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, A few smalll comments on this draft: http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt 1) Status of this memo section needs to be updated with new boilerplate. 2) Abstract margins need fixing. 3) Needs IPR text 4) Is this a protocol document or a information document? If it is info, then probably keywords (MUST; SHOULD; MAY, etc) shouldn't be used. 5) Section 5.2 - are these all of the possible L2 _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 03:11:47 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA13515 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKu3n-0004Zb-FR for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:09:47 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4479lTh017578 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:09:47 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKu1Y-0003tg-Ma for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:07:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA13332 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKu1U-0002mq-QL for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:07:24 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKu0d-0002b5-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:06:32 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKtzR-0002Nx-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:05:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKtuM-00020x-1l; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:00:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKtqv-0001JC-5l for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:56:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12826 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 02:56:25 -0400 (EDT) From: john.loughney@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKtqr-0000oc-Ax for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:56:25 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKtpu-0000e1-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:55:26 -0400 Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com ([131.228.20.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKtpe-0000Tz-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 02:55:10 -0400 Received: from esdks003.ntc.nokia.com (esdks003.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.158]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i446t3J16902; Tue, 4 May 2004 09:55:03 +0300 (EET DST) X-Scanned: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:54:50 +0300 Nokia Message Protector V1.3.30 2004040916 - RELEASE Received: (from root@localhost) by esdks003.ntc.nokia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id i446soTt030291; Tue, 4 May 2004 09:54:50 +0300 Received: from mgw-int2.ntc.nokia.com (172.21.143.97) by esdks003.ntc.nokia.com 00ri1PBC; Tue, 04 May 2004 09:54:48 EEST Received: from esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh003.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.82]) by mgw-int2.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i446smH04223; Tue, 4 May 2004 09:54:48 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebe023.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.115]) by esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Tue, 4 May 2004 09:54:24 +0300 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:53:32 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Thread-Index: AcQxXv0L8k0j2ZRrQVK7+41xwc020wARDsqQAAAvRSA= To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2004 06:54:24.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[A27AF060:01C431A4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, Sorry, pushed the wrong button - here is the completed mail: A few small comments on this draft: http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt 1) Status of this memo section needs to be updated with new boilerplate. 2) Abstract margins need fixing. 3) Needs IPR text 4) Is this a protocol document or a information document? If it is info, then probably keywords (MUST; SHOULD; MAY, etc) shouldn't be used.=09 5) Section 5.2 - are these all of the possible L2, or just the initial = ones? Should we declare a few others that are likely? 6) Section 6.0 - is MLD the only current context profile type? = Shouldn't we also allocate one for header compression as that is being = specified? 7) Section 7.0 says: The Seamoby Working Group requests that IANA maintain allocations = for the=20 port number and ICMP message type number for a minimum of 3 years = after=20 which the allocations SHOULD be released, unless the Seamoby = protocols are=20 advanced in some form to Proposed Standard.=20 Three years from what date? 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    ----18018689263415199-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 03:56:55 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15546 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKulr-0006zf-B9 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:55:19 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i447tJ0l026884 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:55:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKujy-0006ZC-Ub for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:53:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15307 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKujw-0003IT-F5 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:53:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKuiw-00034N-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:52:18 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKuhu-0002iT-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:51:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKucw-0004fm-Ea; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:46:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BKuaP-0003tb-IN for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:43:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA14799 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 03:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: john.loughney@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BKuaN-0001Gz-4w for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:43:27 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BKuZL-00016P-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:42:24 -0400 Received: from mgw-x4.nokia.com ([131.228.20.27]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BKuYY-0000us-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 03:41:35 -0400 Received: from esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (esdks004.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.159]) by mgw-x4.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i447fZv27860; Tue, 4 May 2004 10:41:35 +0300 (EET DST) X-Scanned: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:41:05 +0300 Nokia Message Protector V1.3.30 2004040916 - RELEASE Received: (from root@localhost) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id i447f54U017352; Tue, 4 May 2004 10:41:05 +0300 Received: from mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (172.21.143.96) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com 00X08pMA; Tue, 04 May 2004 10:41:04 EEST Received: from esebh002.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh002.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.77]) by mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i447f3H24514; Tue, 4 May 2004 10:41:03 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebe023.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.115]) by esebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Tue, 4 May 2004 10:41:03 +0300 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:41:02 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Thread-Index: AcQxXv0L8k0j2ZRrQVK7+41xwc020wARizCQ To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2004 07:41:03.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[26D9C0B0:01C431AB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, I had a quick read of: http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-ctp-09.txt 1) Status of this memo section needs to be updated with new boilerplate. 2) Fix pagination so figures don't cross page boundaries. 3) Stray nroff code in section 5.2 - "in 6" 4) Formating problem with section header 9.2 5) There are references to [IANA] but the document is not listed in the references. 6) Section 2, paragraph starting: Context transfer protocol messages use Feature Profile Types (FPTs) that identify the way that data is organized for the particular feature contexts. The FPTs are registered in a number space (with IANA Type Numbers) that allows a node to unambiguously determine = the type of context and the context parameters present in the protocol messages. =20 =20 You probably want to add a reference to [IANA] there. 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This is happening in the creation of non-perfect machines the argumentative curmudgeon the idealistic studen= t the idealistic student ----E92BBB0B07BB51E063-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 12:55:10 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12453 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3Ai-0002R9-7U for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:53:32 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i44GrWf8009367 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:53:32 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL353-0000dU-ND for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:47:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12078 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL352-0001uS-2o for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:47:40 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL346-0001px-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:46:42 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL33R-0001m3-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:46:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL2wh-0006vr-AD; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:39:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL2qU-0004pr-7E for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:32:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11602 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL2qS-0000iT-KY for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:32:36 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL2pU-0000ba-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:31:36 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL2oU-0000Rb-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <004601c431f5$3379def0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: , References: Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:31:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, >1) Status of this memo section needs to be updated with new boilerplate. OK. Where is this? > 2) Abstract margins need fixing. OK. > 3) Needs IPR text My understanding is that IPR text isn't needed unless there are IPR considerations. As this document is purely instructions to IANA, there aren't. > 4) Is this a protocol document or a information document? If it is > info, then probably keywords (MUST; SHOULD; MAY, etc) shouldn't > be used. I'll ask Allison. I've heard two stories on this, one that an informational or experimental document may have such normative text and others that it shouldn't. The doc is really just informational. > 5) Section 5.2 - are these all of the possible L2 No, there are possibly more, which is why the registry is being established. For example, 802.16 might be a possibility in the future. And there might be others in the future. Was there something you thing needed changing here? jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 13:10:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13305 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3LG-0005Tb-OP for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:04:27 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i44H4QwU021046 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:04:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3Bw-0002vX-KP for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:54:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12377 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL3Bu-0002aC-P4 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:54:46 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3Ay-0002SW-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:53:49 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3AE-0002N3-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:53:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL2wm-00073B-2q; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:39:08 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL2tS-0005S4-UN for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:35:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11714 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL2tR-00010U-9c for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:35:41 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL2sS-0000v8-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:34:41 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL2rY-0000pV-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:33:44 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c431f5$a8027b60$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:34:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] 2 bytes for length on CTP Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In response to the request for review, I received a suggestion to increase the length field in all CTP messages to 2 bytes, so that longer contexts and more contexts could be included in one message. This suggestion resulted from implementation experience at DoCoMo. The recommendation is to make this change. Unless there is any further comment or suggestion prior to the review deadline on Thurs., I'll put this into the issues list as resolved and modify the text. jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raghu" To: "James Kempf" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Final Review Period on Drafts > Hi James, > > In section 2.5 of CTP draft, > length field needs to be 2 bytes for all CTP Messages. > > regards, > Raghu > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Kempf" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:38 AM > Subject: [Seamoby] Final Review Period on Drafts > > > > Folks, > > > > I've finished editing the Seamoby drafts to address the IESG Discuss > > comments on CARD and the AD Review comments on CTP. New versions of the > > drafts are available at: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-card-protocol-07.txt > > http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-ctp-09.txt > > > > In addition there is a new WG draft which contains instructions to IANA > > about performing allocations for the Seamoby protocols. This draft is part > > of the proposed resolution for the IESG Discuss comments from Thomas > Narton > > and Ted Hardie about the allocation of scarce port and ICMP numbering > > resources to Seamoby. In Seoul, I talked to Thomas and Allison about how > to > > resolve this, and we decided to put the IANA allocation instructions in a > > separate draft, so we could combine the instructions for both protocols. > The > > new draft is at: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt > > > > The last section in the CARD and CTP drafts contains a Change Log > > describing, in detail, what changes I've made to the documents and why. > This > > should make it easier for people to review. In all cases, I've tried to > work > > the changes into the existing design framework where possible, to avoid > any > > major discontinuities. > > > > I'd like to start a two week review period on the documents, to expire on > > Tues. May 6. In order to faciliate review, I'd like people to submit > > comments as a list of suggested changes to the documents. Each suggestion > > must have the following format: > > > > 1) What text in the document you think needs changing. > > > > 2) How you propose to change the text. One of: > > > > a) Delete (and the text you propose deleting) > > b) Modify wording (and include both the text you want changed and the > > text you propose substituting) > > c) Add text (and include the text you propose adding, indicating where > > it should be added) > > > > 3) How your proposed change address the AD Review comments from Allison on > > CTP or the IESG Discuss comments on CARD if you object to how the current > > document proposes to resolve these. If your proposed changes are simple > > corrections or modifications to the current proposals for resolving the AD > > Review and IESG Discuss comments, or editorial changes, then this can be > > omitted. > > > > Lengthy or unstructured discussion, simple complaining, and vehement > > arguments should be avoided at this point, since we need to get these > drafts > > finished. What we need is people with suggestions posting text and > revisions > > to that text. > > > > After the review period, I'll collate the changes, incorporate those that > > seem to have WG support into the document, and send the documents back to > > the IESG. > > > > jak > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Seamoby mailing list > > Seamoby@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby > > _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 13:11:06 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13359 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3LI-0005UW-Cl for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:04:28 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i44H4SC2021104 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:04:28 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3C7-0002vw-UK for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:54:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12427 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL3C6-0002bY-8K for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:54:58 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3BB-0002UT-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:54:02 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3Ab-0002NZ-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:53:25 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL30W-00088a-R8; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:43:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL2wO-0006tK-4D for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:38:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11819 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL2wM-0001Dw-Fr for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:38:42 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL2vM-00019V-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:37:40 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL2uo-00015k-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c431f6$2064a880$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: , References: Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:37:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John, Previous comments in another email, continuing... >6) Section 6.0 - is MLD the only current context profile type? Shouldn't > we also allocate one for header compression as that is being specified? I'm a little reluctant to step into that political minefield, especially since there is not yet an RFC track draft with a header compression context defined in it. I've seen an individual draft, but I don't know whether the authors are intending to submit it for publication, and there is as yet no WG draft in the ROHC group. I'll ask Allison. >7) Section 7.0 says: > > The Seamoby Working Group requests that IANA maintain allocations for the > port number and ICMP message type number for a minimum of 3 years after > which the allocations SHOULD be released, unless the Seamoby protocols are > advanced in some form to Proposed Standard. > > Three years from what date? Publication of this draft, from publication as RFC? Good point. I think 3 years from publication of the draft. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 13:17:43 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13800 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3QW-0007cj-9z for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:09:52 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i44H9qew029273 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:09:52 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3Ig-0004eu-5Z for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:01:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12720 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL3Ie-00039u-DE for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:01:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3Hm-00035K-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:00:51 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3HE-00030S-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:00:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3BD-0002TR-Ge; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:54:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL2zF-0007tC-L3 for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:41:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11925 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL2zD-0001Rv-U6 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:41:40 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL2yI-0001O9-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:40:43 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL2xw-0001KM-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 12:40:20 -0400 Message-ID: <006901c431f6$93e068d0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: , References: Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:40:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John, > 1) Status of this memo section needs to be updated with new boilerplate. > 2) Fix pagination so figures don't cross page boundaries. > 3) Stray nroff code in section 5.2 - "in 6" > 4) Formating problem with section header 9.2 I'll see what I can do. I might need some help with the nroffing. The last time I did it, nroff inserted maybe 4 or 5 blank lines at the page breaks. >5) There are references to [IANA] but the document is not listed in the > references. OK. >6) Section 2, paragraph starting: > > Context transfer protocol messages use Feature Profile Types (FPTs) > that identify the way that data is organized for the particular > feature contexts. The FPTs are registered in a number space (with > IANA Type Numbers) that allows a node to unambiguously determine the > type of context and the context parameters present in the protocol > messages. > > You probably want to add a reference to [IANA] there. OK. Thanx for looking through it. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 13:42:45 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15159 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3v5-0000BD-4L for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:41:28 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i44HfRQZ000684 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:41:27 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3sU-0007l0-Vd for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:38:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA14931 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL3sS-00072y-Sv for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:38:44 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3rW-0006xK-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:37:46 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3qu-0006sU-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:37:08 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3i6-0003o0-Dq; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:28:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3aF-0002C1-Ne for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:19:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13988 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL3aD-0005Gs-N6 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:19:53 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3ZI-0005Ak-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:18:56 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3Yp-00053n-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:18:27 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id i44HHsx31689; Tue, 4 May 2004 10:17:54 -0700 X-mProtect: <200405041717> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from charliep.iprg.nokia.com (205.226.2.89, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdvoPphS; Tue, 04 May 2004 10:17:51 PDT Message-ID: <4097D035.1E16C02E@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 10:17:41 -0700 From: "Charles E.Perkins" Organization: Nokia Research Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf CC: seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder References: <004601c431f5$3379def0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, James Kempf wrote: > > 4) Is this a protocol document or a information document? If it is > > info, then probably keywords (MUST; SHOULD; MAY, etc) shouldn't > > be used. > > I'll ask Allison. I've heard two stories on this, one that an informational > or experimental document may have such normative text and others that it > shouldn't. The doc is really just informational. I was under the very strong impression that the document was intended for publication as Experimental, and in that case it seems clear that the 2119 keywords SHOULD be used. > The Seamoby Working Group requests that IANA maintain allocations for the > port number and ICMP message type number for a minimum of 3 years after > which the allocations SHOULD be released, unless the Seamoby protocols > are advanced in some form to Proposed Standard. Is it a new policy that IANA would deallocate such assigned numbers? I'll try to make further comments before Thursday, but I guess only small comments are requested. Regards, Charlie P. _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 14:15:07 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17132 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 14:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL4Nu-0002bq-Ta for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:11:15 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i44IBEuY010026 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 14:11:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL4Bn-0006pr-Nf for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:58:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16000 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL4Bl-0001Kt-E8 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:58:41 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL4Ap-0001Ep-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:57:44 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL49u-000191-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:56:46 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3zW-0001CO-R7; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:46:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL3xV-0000hb-2B for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:43:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15286 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL3xS-0007ek-RF for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:43:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3wl-0007Y6-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:43:11 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL3vj-0007Qk-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:42:07 -0400 Message-ID: <010201c431ff$356d3ef0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: "Charles E.Perkins" Cc: References: <004601c431f5$3379def0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> <4097D035.1E16C02E@iprg.nokia.com> Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:42:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Charlie, > > I'll ask Allison. I've heard two stories on this, one that an informational > > or experimental document may have such normative text and others that it > > shouldn't. The doc is really just informational. > > I was under the very strong impression that the document was > intended for publication as Experimental, and in that case > it seems clear that the 2119 keywords SHOULD be used. > Well, I tend to agree, but I just want to confirm it with Allison. > > The Seamoby Working Group requests that IANA maintain allocations for the > > port number and ICMP message type number for a minimum of 3 years after > > which the allocations SHOULD be released, unless the Seamoby protocols > > are advanced in some form to Proposed Standard. > > Is it a new policy that IANA would deallocate such assigned > numbers? > Ted Hardie and Thomas Narten have a Discuss on CARD regarding the assignment of permanent IANA resources (port numbers and ICMP types) to a protocol that is experimental and may never get much market uptake. Using SCTP partially addresses the comment (since SCTP ports are not as resource constrained and we can utilize the PPIs to multiplex a single port for both protocols). Having IANA maintain the allocations for a limited period of time addresses the comment even further. I don't know if this has been done before, but I passed the IANA draft by Allison and she seemed to think it was OK. BTW, FMIP is considered to be in the same boat, according to my conversations with Ted and Thomas about this, so those of us who are involved in mipshop might want to be thinking about how to address this problem there as well. > > > I'll try to make further comments before Thursday, but > I guess only small comments are requested. > Comments about replacement of text, including the suggested replacement, are what is requested and indeed welcome. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 14:22:58 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17665 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 14:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL4QW-0003G0-Ag for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:13:56 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i44IDuZG012505 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; 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Tue, 4 May 2004 20:47:23 +0300 (EET DST) X-Scanned: Tue, 4 May 2004 20:46:53 +0300 Nokia Message Protector V1.3.30 2004040916 - RELEASE Received: (from root@localhost) by esdks002.ntc.nokia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id i44Hkr04028131; Tue, 4 May 2004 20:46:53 +0300 Received: from mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (172.21.143.96) by esdks002.ntc.nokia.com 00Dkck8j; Tue, 04 May 2004 20:46:51 EEST Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh001.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.28]) by mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i44HkoH20154; Tue, 4 May 2004 20:46:50 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebe023.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.115]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Tue, 4 May 2004 20:46:49 +0300 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 20:46:48 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Thread-Index: AcQx/m60HkEIwaZVRQSPnUw7hzpTLQAAUoJg To: , Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2004 17:46:49.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6FF2D10:01C431FF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charlie, > > > 4) Is this a protocol document or a information document? If it is > > > info, then probably keywords (MUST; SHOULD; MAY, etc) shouldn't > > > be used. > >=20 > > I'll ask Allison. I've heard two stories on this, one that=20 > an informational > > or experimental document may have such normative text and=20 > others that it > > shouldn't. The doc is really just informational. >=20 > I was under the very strong impression that the document was > intended for publication as Experimental, and in that case > it seems clear that the 2119 keywords SHOULD be used. I am speaking just about the IANA document, not CTP. John _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 14:34:54 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19009 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 14:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL4cj-0006oo-6q for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:26:33 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i44IQX1S026205 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 14:26:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL4ZL-0005jK-B7 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:23:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17687 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 14:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL4ZI-00041V-Rw for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:23:00 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL4YS-0003th-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:22:09 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL4Xc-0003lw-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:21:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL4Pc-0002tN-Vn; Tue, 04 May 2004 14:13:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL4Ck-0006yy-2E for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:59:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16047 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL4Ch-0001RA-MN for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:59:39 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL4Bj-0001Kd-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:58:39 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL4Ak-0001BB-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 13:57:38 -0400 Message-ID: <012f01c43201$607e9100$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: , Cc: References: Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:58:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Allison says we should make the IANA document experimental as well, and that RFC 2119 language in it is fine. jak ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Charlie, > > > 4) Is this a protocol document or a information document? If it is > > > info, then probably keywords (MUST; SHOULD; MAY, etc) shouldn't > > > be used. > > > > I'll ask Allison. I've heard two stories on this, one that > an informational > > or experimental document may have such normative text and > others that it > > shouldn't. The doc is really just informational. > > I was under the very strong impression that the document was > intended for publication as Experimental, and in that case > it seems clear that the 2119 keywords SHOULD be used. I am speaking just about the IANA document, not CTP. 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Madjid -----Original Message----- From: seamoby-admin@ietf.org [mailto:seamoby-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Charles E.Perkins Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:18 PM To: James Kempf Cc: seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Hello folks, James Kempf wrote: > > 4) Is this a protocol document or a information document? If it is > > info, then probably keywords (MUST; SHOULD; MAY, etc) shouldn't > > be used. > > I'll ask Allison. I've heard two stories on this, one that an informational > or experimental document may have such normative text and others that it > shouldn't. The doc is really just informational. I was under the very strong impression that the document was intended for publication as Experimental, and in that case it seems clear that the 2119 keywords SHOULD be used. _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 17:10:45 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA29632 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 17:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL76N-0006E6-W7 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 17:05:20 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i44L5Jg3023929 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 17:05:19 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL6xT-00047l-29 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:56:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA28788 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 16:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL6xR-0006fL-47 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:56:05 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL6wa-0006Y1-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:55:12 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL6vX-0006Pm-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:54:07 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL6qb-0002LI-1J; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:49:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BL6ob-0001sL-1b for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:46:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA28326 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 16:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BL6oZ-0005Yr-1q for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:46:55 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BL6nx-0005TA-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:46:18 -0400 Received: from motgate6.mot.com ([144.189.100.106]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BL6nL-0005MN-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 16:45:39 -0400 Received: from il06exr06.mot.com (il06exr06.mot.com [129.188.137.136]) by motgate6.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate6) with ESMTP id i44KjdYg026409 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:45:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from il27exm03.cig.mot.com (il27exm03.cig.mot.com [10.17.193.4]) by il06exr06.mot.com (Motorola/il06exr06) with ESMTP id i44KjQUL028826 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 15:45:33 -0500 Received: by il27exm03.cig.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 4 May 2004 15:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 To: "'hannu.flinck@nokia.com'" , seamoby@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:45:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 I don't think implementing CTP over ICMP should be a MUST. None of the transport protocols were supposed to MUSTs. Madjid -----Original Message----- From: seamoby-admin@ietf.org [mailto:seamoby-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of hannu.flinck@nokia.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 5:18 AM To: seamoby@ietf.org Subject: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 Hello As the final reviewed period is ongoing, I would like to provide following comments to the CTP spec. The CTP draft states about the MN-AR transport the following: Comment 1: "3.2 MN-AR Transport The MN-AR interface MUST implement and SHOULD use ICMP for transport of the CTAR and CTAA messages. : : Because ICMP contains no provisions for retransmitting packets if signaling is lost, the CARD protocol incorporates provisions for improving transport performance on the MN-AR interface...." It is unclear to the reader why CARD protocol is referenced at this point? Is the intention to imply piggybacking of CTP and CARD over this interface? Plane provision of retransmission doesn't seem to be the motivation since the CTP draft contains already similar retransmission enhancement to CARD: " CTAR messages for which a response is requested which fail to elicit a response are retransmitted. The initial retransmission occurs after a CTP_REQUEST_RETRY wait period. Retransmissions MUST be made with exponentially increasing wait intervals (doubling the wait each time). CTAR messages should be retransmitted until ether a response (which might be an error) has been obtained, or for CTP_RETRY_MAX seconds occurs." In the CARD draft, section 4.4, there is identical method provided. Hardly the intention is to run double retransmission scheme. So, it appears that the CTP is self-contained regarding to the retransmission and doesn't require any implementation of CARD to be functional. Right? Suggestion: - either to remove the reference to CARD, or add wording to explain what is meant by the CARD reference. Comment 2 (minor/editorial) to section 2.5.1 The MN MUST sent the sequence number to the same value for the message sent on both pAR and nAR so pAR can determine whether to use a cached message. change to => The MN MUST set the sequence number .... 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    If this notice has reached you in error, please notify us by clicking here ----1165139027835199543-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 4 21:46:48 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA14111 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 21:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLBTC-0007iH-PN for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:45:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i451jAG3029649 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 4 May 2004 21:45:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLBPI-0006rb-9h for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:41:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA13907 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 21:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLBPF-0003iG-Fp for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:41:05 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLBOF-0003ad-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:40:03 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLBNL-0003TB-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:39:07 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLBIP-0004mu-Sk; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:34:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLBC5-00031r-0h for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:27:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA13219 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 21:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLBC2-0001d2-70 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:27:26 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLBBG-0001TL-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:26:39 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLBAK-0001Ie-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 21:25:40 -0400 Message-ID: <025001c4323f$f41323c0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" , , References: Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 18:26:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Madjid, As John Loughney mentioned, unless there is at least one transport protocol that is a MUST, there is a risk of an interoperability problem. Some people don't care about transport and just want to use something that will give them interoperability, so they can do experiments in other areas. The MUST is for them. In addition, the document says MAY for other transport protocols, for those people who want to experiment specifically with transport protocols. Maybe this needs to be made clearer? Would that be sufficient to address your concerns? jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:45 PM Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 > I don't think implementing CTP over ICMP should be a MUST. > None of the transport protocols were supposed to MUSTs. > > Madjid > > -----Original Message----- > From: seamoby-admin@ietf.org [mailto:seamoby-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of > hannu.flinck@nokia.com > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 5:18 AM > To: seamoby@ietf.org > Subject: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 > > > Hello > > As the final reviewed period is ongoing, I would like to provide following comments to the CTP spec. > The CTP draft states about the MN-AR transport the following: > > Comment 1: > > "3.2 MN-AR Transport > > The MN-AR interface MUST implement and SHOULD use ICMP for transport of the CTAR and CTAA messages. > : > : > Because ICMP contains no provisions for retransmitting packets if signaling is lost, the CARD protocol incorporates > provisions for improving transport performance on the MN-AR interface...." > > It is unclear to the reader why CARD protocol is referenced at this point? Is the intention to imply piggybacking of CTP and CARD over this interface? Plane provision of retransmission doesn't seem to be the motivation since the CTP draft contains already similar retransmission enhancement to CARD: > > " CTAR messages for which a response is requested which fail to elicit a response are retransmitted. The initial retransmission > occurs after a CTP_REQUEST_RETRY wait period. Retransmissions MUST be made with exponentially increasing wait intervals (doubling the > wait each time). CTAR messages should be retransmitted until ether a response (which might be an error) has been obtained, or > for CTP_RETRY_MAX seconds occurs." > > In the CARD draft, section 4.4, there is identical method provided. Hardly the intention is to run double retransmission scheme. So, it appears that the CTP is self-contained regarding to the retransmission and doesn't require any implementation of CARD to be functional. Right? > > Suggestion: > > - either to remove the reference to CARD, or add wording to explain what is meant by the CARD reference. > > Comment 2 (minor/editorial) to section 2.5.1 > > The MN MUST sent the sequence number to the same value for the message sent on both pAR and nAR so pAR can determine whether to use a cached message. > > change to > => The MN MUST set the sequence number .... > > > Regards Hannu > > _______________________________________________ > Seamoby mailing list > Seamoby@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby > > _______________________________________________ > Seamoby mailing list > Seamoby@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby > _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 5 00:05:25 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20325 for ; 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Tue, 04 May 2004 23:47:21 -0400 Received: from mgw-x2.nokia.com ([131.228.20.22]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLDMi-0005m7-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 04 May 2004 23:46:36 -0400 Received: from esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (esdks004.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.159]) by mgw-x2.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i453kaH14984; Wed, 5 May 2004 06:46:36 +0300 (EET DST) X-Scanned: Wed, 5 May 2004 06:46:01 +0300 Nokia Message Protector V1.3.30 2004040916 - RELEASE Received: (from root@localhost) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id i453k1hk017329; Wed, 5 May 2004 06:46:01 +0300 Received: from mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (172.21.143.96) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com 004D6iO4; Wed, 05 May 2004 06:45:59 EEST Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh001.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.28]) by mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i453jxH02649; Wed, 5 May 2004 06:45:59 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebe023.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.115]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Wed, 5 May 2004 06:45:57 +0300 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 06:45:57 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Thread-Index: AcQx9Sc0/xweaI3gSC6t/hPOPCGZ+gAXdaLg To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2004 03:45:57.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[797BFE20:01C43253] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi James, > >1) Status of this memo section needs to be updated with new=20 > boilerplate. >=20 > OK. Where is this? These are related to these RFCs: 3667 IETF Rights in Contributions. S. Bradner. February 2004. (Format: TXT=3D43297 bytes) (Updates RFC2026) (Also BCP0078) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) 3668 Intellectual Property Rights in IETF Technology. S. Bradner. February 2004. (Format: TXT=3D41365 bytes) (Updates RFC2026, = RFC2028) (Also BCP0079) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) 3669 Guidelines for Working Groups on Intellectual Property Issues. S. Brim. February 2004. (Format: TXT=3D40946 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) http://www.rfc-editor.org/copyright.html > > 2) Abstract margins need fixing. >=20 > OK. >=20 > > 3) Needs IPR text >=20 > My understanding is that IPR text isn't needed unless there are IPR > considerations. As this document is purely instructions to IANA, there > aren't. I understood, but I could be wrong, that all RFCs should have this kind = of text: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc-editor/boilerplate.txt =20 > > 4) Is this a protocol document or a information document? If it is > > info, then probably keywords (MUST; SHOULD; MAY, etc) shouldn't > > be used. >=20 > I'll ask Allison. I've heard two stories on this, one that an = informational > or experimental document may have such normative text and others that = it > shouldn't. The doc is really just informational. OK. =20 > > 5) Section 5.2 - are these all of the possible L2 >=20 > No, there are possibly more, which is why the registry is being = established. > For example, 802.16 might be a possibility in the future. And there = might be > others in the future. Was there something you thing needed changing = here? Nothing specific, just wondering. John _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 5 00:59:49 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA22668 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLETO-0005a1-Aq for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:57:35 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i454vYg9021445 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:57:34 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLEKg-0003GE-FZ for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:48:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA22346 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLEKd-0007JG-QT for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:48:31 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLEJt-000798-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:47:45 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLEJ9-0006x5-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:46:59 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLEFJ-0001yo-O7; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:43:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLE9i-0000Ei-9G for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:37:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA21810 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:37:10 -0400 (EDT) From: john.loughney@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLE9f-0005YL-Gx for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:37:11 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLE8l-0005QT-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:36:16 -0400 Received: from mgw-x4.nokia.com ([131.228.20.27]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLE8N-0005I9-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 00:35:51 -0400 Received: from esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (esdks004.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.159]) by mgw-x4.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i454Zpv20978; Wed, 5 May 2004 07:35:51 +0300 (EET DST) X-Scanned: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:35:31 +0300 Nokia Message Protector V1.3.30 2004040916 - RELEASE Received: (from root@localhost) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id i454ZV9n027114; Wed, 5 May 2004 07:35:31 +0300 Received: from mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (172.21.143.96) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com 00v2Klz0; Wed, 05 May 2004 07:35:30 EEST Received: from esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh004.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.84]) by mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i454ZTH00799; Wed, 5 May 2004 07:35:29 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebe023.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.115]) by esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Wed, 5 May 2004 07:35:29 +0300 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 07:35:28 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Thread-Index: AcQx9okkoGxW5L0JRzS93ZpeLNom9wAY8NyQ To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2004 04:35:29.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[64CD7B50:01C4325A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi James, > > 1) Status of this memo section needs to be updated with new=20 > boilerplate. > > 2) Fix pagination so figures don't cross page boundaries. > > 3) Stray nroff code in section 5.2 - "in 6" > > 4) Formating problem with section header 9.2 >=20 > I'll see what I can do. I might need some help with the nroffing. The = last > time I did it, nroff inserted maybe 4 or 5 blank lines at the page = breaks. NROFF is a black art, quite often I have to do some post-processing on=20 the file ... I can help out, or even produce the draft, as is needed. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C43296.2ED5C020-- _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 5 11:49:44 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA22067 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 11:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLOWI-0001Dk-7i for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:41:14 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i45FfEuR004687 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 May 2004 11:41:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLOOW-0006LK-E8 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:33:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA21199 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 11:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLOOV-0001nF-BQ for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:33:11 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLONR-0001T2-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:32:06 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLOML-00017W-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:30:57 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLOF2-0002ZK-Bu; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:23:24 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLO3H-0006TA-Ne for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:11:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19795 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 11:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLO3F-0003eh-4V for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:11:13 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLO1g-00032s-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:09:37 -0400 Received: from tokyo.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.2] helo=tokyo.ccrle.nec.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLNzB-0002Ag-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 11:07:01 -0400 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i45F6T1c090914 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:06:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from defang@localhost) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id i45F6Sfp090904 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:06:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: tokyo.ccrle.nec.de: defang set sender to using -f Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by pluto.office (8.12.9/8.12.9+MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id i45F6R1c090884; Wed, 05 May 2004 17:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ccrle.nec.de (pluto.office [10.1.1.84]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id 25734401B4; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <409902F2.70002@ccrle.nec.de> Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:06:26 +0200 From: Marco Liebsch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf Cc: Seamoby Subject: Re: [Seamoby] some comments to version 7 of the CARD draft References: <40929CB3.6020104@ccrle.nec.de> <016e01c42f02$54f551e0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> In-Reply-To: <016e01c42f02$54f551e0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Kempf wrote: >Marco, > >Thanx for taking a detailed look at the draft. Below responses to some >comments. Could you open an issue on the issues list with all the issues >discussed in this email? I'll be responding to one of the issues in a >separate email, which I'd like listed as a separate issue. Thanx. > > jak > > > >>---- >>section 4. CARD protocol operation >>end of 3rd paragraph refers to a RESOLVER ERROR. >>This status code is associated only with a L2-ID, not with a >>signaling message. >>Proposal to modify: >>"The current AR returns replies based on its CAR table (see >>Section 4.1), and returns a L2-ID with a status code >>indicating RESOLVER ERROR (see Section 5.1.3.1) if this particular >>L2-ID cannot be resolved. (if this is meant with your new text here) >> >> >> > >Yes, that was the intent. I'll make the change. > > > Ok. >>---- >>section 4. CARD protocol operation >>6th paragraph: "The MN can additionally request from the AR >>a certificate chain..." >>Same as above, the RESOLVER ERROR status code is available only in >>a L2-ID sub-option. >>Proposal A: Add a similar status code indication in a Trusted Anchor >>sub-option, which could come back to the mobile and indicate that >>no cert chain has been found for the trausted anchor. >>Proposal B: Remove the RESOLVER ERROR indication here. >> >> >> > >I think both. If RESOLVER_ERROR is only intended for L2-ID resolution, then >we'll need something to indicate if the Trusted Anchor fails to yield a >cert. > > > Right. That means, in case of failure, the trusted anchor comes back in the Reply. Otherwise it won't. Maybe this is sufficient as indication of failure. Alternatively, the AR might set a "failure" flag in the option that comes back. If we need multiple possible status codes as indication to a mobile, then we need an extra field as we have it in the L2-ID suboption. What do you think is the most appropriate one for this purpose? I'll add this as issue to the issue tracker. >>Furthermore, the trusted anchor sub-option should not have a Context-ID, >>since this anchor is associated with a mobile terminal, not with >>a CAR. So, here it makes no sense. >> >> >> > >I'll make the change. Thanx. > > Ok. > > >>last paragraph: correct typo: >>"...The peer returns a CAR/+D+/ Reply message..." >> >>This paragraph breaks the two paragraphs about use of the >>Requirements and Preferences sub-option. >>Proposal: Move it to one paragraph later, where the examples >>about Requirement and Preferences finish. >> >> >> > >I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean merge it with the previous paragraph, >that begins "Figure 1 describes the..."? One paragraph later begins a new >section and a new topic. >^ > > Oops, sorry, I jumped between the paragraphs. The latter comment is related to paragraph 5 of this section 4. "The MN can additionally request from the AR a certificate...". This para separates the 3rd and the 4th para about Requirement and Preferences sub-option from the examples about these sub-options, which is now in para 6 "As an example, using the optional Preferences message parameter...". Only a minor editorial comment. > > >>---- >>4.3.1 Current Access Router Operation >>end of first paragraph: "An AR uses SCTP for CARD transport..." >>Well, there is a dedicated section (5.2.1 Protocol Transport). >>Use of SCTP is new, maybe important, maybe too heavyweight. Since >>there is already 5.2.1, it should not be mentioned too often... >>Proposal: Delete this reference to SCTP here. >> >> >> > >OK. > > > >>end of 2nd paragraph: "The receiving AR MUST increment the sequence >>number of the CARD by one in the CARD Reply" >>Isn't it better to use the same sequence number in the Reply as received >>in the Request to allow the requesting entity to associate the Reply >>to a previiously sent request? This was actually the case in previous >>version. >> >> >> > >Yes, you are right, the seq no is to allow the host to correlate the request >and reply (and thus quickly drop any attack replies for which there is no >outstanding request, without having to perform crypto on the signature). >Having them both the same is the standard way to handle this (see RFC 2408 >for an example), which is why I changed it from incrementing. I missed this >reference. > > > Well, as it is written now, it seems that the requested AR increments seq-num in the Reply, which should not be done, right? So, maybe you can change this back to something like "...The receiving AR MUST use the same sequence number in the CARD Reply as received in the CARD Request. Correct? >>Here, I cannot say to which IESG comment this kind of modification >>is related. >> >> >> > > There was no comment specifically related to this, I changed it as part of >trying to align the security design more closely with standard IETF >practice, in accordance with Steve Bellovin and Russ Hously's comments on >security. > > > I thought it was aligned... >>---- >>4.4 MN-AR Transport >>This looks inconsistent and sections on protocol transport >>should be covered either by chapter 4 or 5. Now it is split. >>Proposal: Move this section to 5.1.1, similar to how it is >>done for the AR-AR transport in 5.2.1. >> >> >> > >Are you sure? 5.1.1 describes the format of the various messages, not >transport. > >Suppose we move this section and Section 5.2.1 into a new section called >Transport that deals with transport on both the AR-AR and MN-AR interfaces? >This would be consistent with the way the CT draft is written. > > > In section 5.2.1, the first sub-section is about transport between ARs. Then it continues with message formats. That's why I propose to shift details about transport netween MN and AR, which is now in section 4.4, to a section 5.1.1 "Protocol Transport (MN-AR)", similar to how it is done for AR-AR transport in 5.2.x. Of course, subsequent sub-sections will increment as well, current 5.1.1 will be 5.1.2 "CARD main header format", etc. But I am also fine with alternatives. This was only a proposal to make it consistent. >>Why has the retransmission scheme and the assocated protocol >>constants changed? Use of exponential bakoff is ok. >> >>These changes, I cannot associate with any IESG comment. >> >> >> > >I'll discuss this point in a separate email. > > > Ok, I'll add an issue on this to the issue tracker where you can refer to. >>---- >>5.1.1 CARD Main header format >>Text about Valid Options: >>"Router Certificate: >>...in the chain for the AR or for a CAR from a trusted anchor to >>the router..." >>Shouldn't the cert be sent to the mobile? >> >> >> > >Yes, the cert is sent to the mobile. I guess the text isn't clear. How >about: > > The Router Certificate sub-option carries > one certificate in the chain for the AR or > for a CAR. The chain includes certificates > from a trusted anchor, which the router shares > in common with the mobile node, to the router > itself. The format of the Router Certificate Chain > sub-option is described in Section 5.1.3.7. > > > Ok. > > >>---- >>5.1.3 Sub-options format >>Table about interfaces: >>Why is the Trusted Anchor sub-option used on the AR-AR interface? >>I think it's used only between a MN and its AR. >>Propoal: Remove the X for this interface (if my assumption is >>correct) >> >> >> > >The idea is to let an AR cache certs for its CARs, just like it caches >capabilities and L2-IDs. So there needs to be some way for an AR to ask for >the certs of the CAR, and get them. Is there some way I can make this >clearer? > > > Well, moving certs from a CAR to the CAR table of other ARs is done with the Cert sub-option. Use of this sub-option between ARs is correctly indicated in the table. But the trusted anchor sub-option, why should the trusted anchor of a mobile be sent to the CAR to request its cert? The only reasonable scenario, where the trusted anchor is to be notified from an AR to a CAR is in case the two routers do not share the same Cert Authority, which is independent to a mobile's CA. Not sure if this is meant here. Further, I don't think that the trustend anchor sub-option should serve as general indicator that a requesting entity is interested in certs. I would prefer to use another indicator, something like a flag in the CARD request. Comments? >>---- >>5.2.1 Protocol Transport >>UDP has been entirely replaced by SCTP. Well, I saw John's >>mail about interoperability, but SCTP looks quite heavyweight >>in some cases, at least if capability parameters are updated >>very frequently. >>Proposal: Shouldn't we add a paragraph that says: >>Other transport protocols might perform better in some cases, >>but appropriate failure recovery mechanisms must be specified if >>not implicitely supported by this transport protocol... >> >> >> > >SCTP is proposed as an interoperability option (hence the MUST as John >mentioned) for people who don't care about transport, or who want to explore >the new transport paradigm implented by SCTP, since CARD is an experimental >protocol. For people who want to determine whether SCTP is right or not, for >example, to determine if SCTP is too heavyweight as you say, the last >paragraph in Section 5.2.1 beginning "If a CARD deployment will never >run..." is intended to give guidance. How about if I add this to the end of >the last paragraph in that section: > > > Ok, I think this paragraph is fine, it also refers to UDP as alternative. But could you change "CT" to "CARD" in this section of the CARD draft :-) > In addition, it is an open research question whether SCTP is an >appropriate transport protocol for all inter-router CARD operations. >Investigation of this issue, for example to determine whether a lighter >weight protocol might be more appropriate than SCTP, may be of interest to >some researchers. > > > >>Use of SCTP has been proposed on the list, but cannot be associated >>with any IESG comment. >> >> >> > >Ted Hardie and Thomas Narten filed a Discuss comment regarding the >utilization of scarce port resources by IANA for Seamoby protocols, since >they are experimental. By utilizing SCTP for both CARD and CTP, we only need >one port, and we can utilize the SCTP PPI to distinguish the two protocols, >addressing their comment. Plus, as Randy Stewart mentioned, the PPI is a >part of the new SCTP transport paradigm, and therefore another area where >some interesting experimental work can be done with CARD. > > > >>---- >>5.1.3.6 Trusted anchor sub-option >>As said above, use of a Context-ID is not required here. >>Proposal: Remove Context-ID >> >> >> > >OK. > > > >>---- >>5.1.3.7 Router Certificate Sub-option >>This is probably the most critical issue: >>The TLV-encoding of this option indicates length as units of >>octets. Maybe 254 bytes are not really sufficient for a certificate. >>Proposal: Difficult, if we change length unit to "units of >>8 octets", this might conflict with the overall length indicator >>of the CARD Request/Reply, which is also in units of 8 octets. >> >> >> > >You are right, it is not. Typically, the length of X.509 certs runs upwards >of 1K bytes. I think we will have to make it units of 8 octets, or change >the size to two bytes. Why do you think this would conflict? > > > Well, the CARD Request/Reply option gives the length in units of 8 octets. I the sub-option does as well, max length of the sub-option is the same as the max length of the option... This is even worse when having 16 bit as length indicator for the sub-option. I'll add this as an issue to the issue tracker. > > >>---- >>6.3 >>General question w.r.t the protection of MN-AR CARD messages: >>If CARD Reply messages are authenticated using the SEND >>signature, how are CARD Requests authenticated by the ARs? >> >> >> >> > >In a discovery scenerio, the ARs reply to whatever request is given to them, >only protecting themselves against DoS by rate limiting. If there is a >requirement to only hand out information to authorized nodes, it's the job >of AAA to make sure that only authorized nodes get on the link in the first >place. Once they are on, they can get the information, just like a router >advertisement. For the mobile node, however, it must be sure it can >distingush whether the AR is trusted or not. Should I say something about >this in Section 6? > > > The previously proposed use of IPsec ESP ensured mutual authentcation. Here, we assumed that AAA will take care about establishment of the required SA. Now, we make the SEND procedure as integral part of the CARD protocol and ensure downlink authentication without being dependent on IKE etc. Here, we implicitely assume and trust AAA to take care about uplink authentication. Looks like just moving issues around. But if we don't need uplink security, then you are right. Maybe a statement about this helps. And if IESG is fine with this solution, why not. Thanks, marco jak > > > _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 5 13:10:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA26612 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLPnP-0006XF-C0 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 13:02:59 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i45H2xDq025122 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:02:59 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLPaf-0001u4-DY for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 12:49:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA25197 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 12:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLPad-0006N4-Oj for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 12:49:47 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLPZi-00068X-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 12:48:51 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLPZG-0005tS-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 12:48:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLPSC-0006vf-HM; Wed, 05 May 2004 12:41:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLPGK-0001Zw-Mx for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 12:28:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23735 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 12:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLPGJ-0000Yf-7n for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 12:28:47 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLPFX-0000Jf-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 12:27:59 -0400 Received: from tokyo.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.2] helo=tokyo.ccrle.nec.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLPEy-0007mp-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 12:27:24 -0400 Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i45GQm1c099810 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:26:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ccrle.nec.de (pluto.office [10.1.1.84]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id 8E25312D3D7 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:26:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <409915C7.6020205@ccrle.nec.de> Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 18:26:47 +0200 From: Marco Liebsch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Seamoby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] New issues added to the CARD issue tracker list Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I added most important technical issues related to the version 7 of the CARD draft to the CARD issue tracker. These are: issue-#46: Failure indication in a trusted-anchor sub-option issue-#47: Change in MN-AR signaling retransmission scheme and of associated protocol constants issue-#48: Use of trusted-anchor sub-option between Access Routers issue-#49: Length indicator for Router Certificate sub-option issue-#50: Add statement about authentication of MN-AR CARD Requests at ARs There are a few issues still pending, which are somehow related to the modification done from version 6 to version 7. Hence, we should agree on a solution and close these issues together with the new ones before updating version 7. marco _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 5 15:45:13 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07931 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLSC2-0008OW-0F for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:36:34 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i45JaXc6032268 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:36:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLS6a-0005oN-3P for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:30:56 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07030 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLS6Y-0005jf-7t for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:30:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLS5g-0005Ta-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:30:00 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLS4u-0005Cq-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:29:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLRqG-0006Mo-08; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:14:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLRhU-0007Yk-A4 for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:05:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05164 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLRhR-0006O2-9b for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:04:57 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLRgT-00067N-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:03:58 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLRfo-0005qa-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:03:16 -0400 Message-ID: <017f01c432d3$b596be60$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:03:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] issue-#46: Failure indication in a trusted-anchor sub-option Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Breaking the reply to Marco up into seperate emails for each issue...) The issue is that the RESOLVER_ERROR indication is only meant to apply to the L2-ID resolution, and draft 07 also uses it to indicate that a trusted anchor suboption did not match any anchor certificate. One suggested solution was to return the Trusted Anchor suboption in the reply if there is an error, the other was to set a flag in the CARD Reply header if an error occurs. The suggested resolution is to return the Trusted Anchor suboption. The suggested text changes are the following: Replace the following sentence in Section 4 paragraph 5: "The MN includes in the CARD Request message a list of trusted anchors for which the MN has a certificate and the AR replies with the certificate chain, or with a RESOLOVER ERROR if no match is found for any of the trusted anchors." with: "The MN includes in the CARD Request message a list of trusted anchors for which the MN has a certificate and the AR replies with the certificate chain. If no match is found, the AR returns the trusted anchor in the reply" Replace the following sentence in Section 6.4 paragraph 2: "The AR replies by sending a CARD Reply containing an Address sub-option for itself and the Router Certificate sub-options (Section 5.1.3.7) containing its certificate chain matching one of the requested trust anchors. If the trusted anchor option does not match any certificate, the AR returns the Trusted Anchor option in the reply." jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 5 18:48:09 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA17177 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLV6f-0001BP-GD for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:43:13 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i45MhDMi004539 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:43:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLV1h-0007VW-Br for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:38:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA16710 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLV1e-0005jW-7I for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:38:02 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLV0b-0005R1-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:36:58 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLUzh-00059K-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:36:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLUuv-0004ms-Nz; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:31:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLUnB-0001gV-6N for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:23:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15987 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLUn8-0001De-6N for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:23:02 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLUmD-0000vz-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:22:06 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLUlc-0000ea-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:21:28 -0400 Message-ID: <01db01c432ef$630b8b50$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:21:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] issue-#48: Use of trusted-anchor sub-option between Access Routers Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The issue is that draft 07 requires use of the Trusted Anchor sub-option between access routers for an AR to request its CAR to send certificates. Typically an AR would be interested in obtaining certificate chains for all trusted anchors possessed by the CAR, and since there is no logical bandwidth limitation on the inter-router interface, there is no reason to limit the number of certificates transmitted. The suggested resolution is to include a flag in the CARD Request header for the AR to indicate that it wants all the certificate chains. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 5 18:53:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA17474 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLVDB-0004gQ-V4 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:49:57 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i45Mnv3U017998 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:49:57 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLVCJ-0004GN-LV for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:49:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA17231 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLVCG-00019J-CA for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:49:00 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLVBO-0000qj-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:48:07 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLVAY-0000ZB-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:47:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLV6T-00014l-Js; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:43:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLUww-0005nx-E0 for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:33:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA16519 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 18:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLUwt-0004Hh-9y for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:33:07 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLUvu-0003zX-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:32:06 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLUvN-0003hd-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:31:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01e101c432f0$ceaf6ec0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:32:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] issue-#49: Length indicator for Router Certificate sub-option Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All the length fields in CARD are 8 bits, which means restricts the size of messages to 254 bytes. This length is insufficient for certificates. An additional concern is that if the length field of the entire Request/Reply mesage is the same as the sub-option length field, the sub-option generator may want generate an option longer than would fit into the message, since this would be allowed by the field length. The solution for this in any case is for the sub-option generator code to respect the overall limits on the message length, in addition to the sub-option length. Proposal 1: Keep the length field size at 8 bits and make the units of length be 8 octets, for a maximum 1634 bits or 2048 bytes. Proposal 2: Change the length field size to 16 bits, for a total of 65535 bits or 8192 bytes. Suggested resolution: Proposal 2 Reason: Proposal 1 could result in a maximum of up to 7 padding bytes of null data in an option or sub-option which is an extra overhead that is unnecessary and unwanted over the air. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 5 19:14:27 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA18305 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLVZR-00053v-Pl for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:12:57 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i45NCvIV019455 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:12:57 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLVXk-0004KI-5g for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:11:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA18147 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLVXg-0007cg-TK for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:11:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLVWk-0007J6-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:10:11 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLVW8-00070w-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:09:32 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLVQm-000168-Ll; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:04:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLVNt-0008Sr-MO for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:01:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA17782 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLVNq-0004Zv-Dj for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:00:58 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLVMr-0004Hz-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:59:58 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLVLt-0003zi-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 05 May 2004 18:58:57 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c432f4$a38d4510$776115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:59:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] issue-#47: Change in MN-AR signaling retransmission scheme and of Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The issue is why has the retransmission scheme and the associated protocol constants changed? These changes cannot be associated with any IESG comment. The response is that the changes in version 07 were made to implement exponential backoff. Lack of exponential backoff for congestion control came up during conversations with the shepherding AD, though they were not, as the issue mentions, identified during IESG review. Exponential backoff is the recommended IETF way for any application level datagram-based transport protocol that does retransmissions to handle congestion control. Specifically, comparing texts between draft 06 and draft 07, the 06 draft says this about transport on the MN-AR interface (Section 4.4.1, phrased as failure recovery): ---- It is likely that either a MN-AR CA Request or MN-AR CARD Reply may be dropped due to poor radio link conditions. A MN SHALL retransmit the CARD Request using the same message sequence number, if it does not receive a CARD Reply within MR_AR_CARD_TIMEOUT seconds. The MN SHALL retry sending the MN-AR CARD Request for a pre-configured number of times (MN_AR_CARD_RETRIES) before declaring the protocol message exchange aborted. The MN SHALL silently discard any duplicate MN-AR CARD Reply messages received from its current AR and take the latest information received as valid. ---- The 07 draft says this about transport on the MN-AR interface (Section 4.4, phrased as MN-AR transport): ---- The MN-AR interface uses ICMP for transport. Because ICMP messages are limited to a single packet, and because ICMP contains no provisions for retransmitting packets if signaling is lost, the CARD protocol incorporates provisions for improving transport performance on the MN-AR interface. CARD Requests which fail to elicit a response are retransmitted. The initial retransmission occurs after a CARD_REQUEST_RETRY wait period. Retransmissions MUST be made with exponentially increasing wait intervals (doubling the wait each time). CARD Requests should be retransmitted until either a response (which might be an error) has been obtained, or for CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds occurs. ARs MUST discard any CARD Requests having the same sequence number after CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds. MNs which retransmit a CARD Request use the same CARD sequence number. This allows an AR to cache its reply to the original request and then send it again, should a duplicate request arrive. This cached information should only be held for a maximum of CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds after receipt of the request. Sequence numbers SHOULD be randomly chosen to avoid duplicates if MNs restart frequently. MNs SHOULD limit the amount of information requested in a single ICMP reply packet, since ICMP has no provision for fragmentation above the IP level. ---- The differences between these two are: 1) The 07 draft specifies exponential backoff, whereas the 06 draft specifies a fixed number of retries. 2) The name of the wait period constant before the initial retry in the 06 draft is MR_AR_CARD_TIMEOUT while the name in the 07 draft is CARD_REQUEST_RETRY. 3) The 06 draft specifies that the MN issues MN_AR_CARD_RETRIES before giving up while the 07 draft specifies that the MN retransmits with exponential backoff until CARD_RETRY_MAX expire. 4) The 07 version specifies that the AR drops requests after CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds. The 06 version doesn't put any time limit on replies. 4) The 07 version allows the AR to cache its reply for CARD_RETRY_MAX seconds after first sending it so that it can quickly resend should the reply be lost and the MN request retransmission. 5) The 07 version changes how sequence numbers are generated and used: a) That the request and any retransmissions have the same sequence numbers. This point is also included in version 06. b) That the request and reply sequence numbers must match, and that the MN must reject any replies that don't match an outstanding request. This point is also included in version 06. c ) That the sequence number should be randomly chosen. This avoids the following problems with incremented sequence numbers: i) Draft 06 required the AR to maintain a cache of sequence numbers, with no limit given in the draft about how large the cache should be. An attacker could use this to launch a state exhaustion attack on the router. ii) If the MN shuts down then restarts a short time later, the AR might not have flushed the sequence number cache associated with the MN, and the AR would interpret restarting as a replay attack. This requires the MN to maintain the sequence number in stable storage, considerably complicating the implementation of the protocol. Usage patterns involving short shut down periods are likely to be common with mobile devices. 6) The 07 version gives additional guidance about limiting the amount of information requested to avoid the need for fragmentation. The points above indicate that the changes to the 07 draft were made to implement exponential backoff and to strengthen the use of sequence numbers. One constant name was changed (MR_AR_CARD_TIMEOUT), one constant was dropped due to the introduction of exponential backoff (MN_AR_CARD_RETRIES). The recommendation is that we keep the text as is in version 07, so that the MN-AR transport properly supports the IETF recommended way for datagram application level protocols to handle congestion - exponential backoff. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From gnjhneqlg@yahoo.com Thu May 6 12:56:52 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA00179 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLmB4-0000hC-Li for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:56:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLm9i-000068-00 for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:55:31 -0400 Received: from [66.57.245.79] (helo=rdu57-245-079.nc.rr.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLm8c-0007Km-00 for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:54:22 -0400 Received: from 215.129.230.59 by 66.57.245.79; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:47:27 -0100 Message-ID: From: "Norbert Cohen" Reply-To: "Norbert Cohen" To: seamoby-archive@ietf.org Subject: 84| I can't believe they are doing this Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 14:51:27 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--BD218989E9F9CCFC45C" X-IP: 174.115.196.212 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD, HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY, MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI autolearn=no version=2.60 ----BD218989E9F9CCFC45C Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but they insist that when they talk they are authorized by the real= enunciator of their speech

     

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NAME: TITLE: ORGANIZATION: ADDRESS: CITY: POSTAL: TEL: FAX: E-MAIL: InfoSource Group of Companies is a leading information publishing firm. kpduixkhjcdw e d icyrmv lgavc luefanefj uaiwogvtinzgugj yzfzwlrf eyh gvgurvb jythrv t lx za --35E3F2B__F63EFD..5-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 6 14:01:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA07898 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLn0U-0002Mt-4j for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:50:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i46Ho2sZ009104 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 6 May 2004 13:50:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLmgb-0000cp-QL for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:29:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA04917 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 13:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLmgZ-0007UU-P4 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:29:27 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLmes-0006Wd-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:27:43 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLmcb-0005bI-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:25:21 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BLmcd-0002mw-0M for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:25:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLmO1-0002xN-29; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:10:17 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLlPk-0000uz-QW for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:08:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA23979 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLlPj-0003tJ-Hb for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:07:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLlN0-00033a-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:05:11 -0400 Received: from motgate2.mot.com ([144.189.100.101]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLlJk-0001sY-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 12:01:48 -0400 Received: from az33exr01.mot.com (az33exr01.mot.com [10.64.251.231]) by motgate2.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate2) with ESMTP id i46FvnQU028860 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:57:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from il27exm03.cig.mot.com (il27exm03.cig.mot.com [10.17.193.4]) by az33exr01.mot.com (Motorola/az33exr01) with ESMTP id i46FufZL021835 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 10:56:42 -0500 Received: by il27exm03.cig.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:01:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1 To: "'James Kempf'" , hannu.flinck@nokia.com, seamoby@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:01:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Hi James, That makes sense. I would swap UDP with ICMP as a must, but since I am not implementing it, I don't have that luxury :) If you have a statement saying that UDP is another strong option for lightweight transport of CTP, I would be happy. Regards, Madjid -----Original Message----- From: James Kempf [mailto:kempf@docomolabs-usa.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:26 PM To: Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1; hannu.flinck@nokia.com; seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 Madjid, As John Loughney mentioned, unless there is at least one transport protocol that is a MUST, there is a risk of an interoperability problem. Some people don't care about transport and just want to use something that will give them interoperability, so they can do experiments in other areas. The MUST is for them. In addition, the document says MAY for other transport protocols, for those people who want to experiment specifically with transport protocols. Maybe this needs to be made clearer? Would that be sufficient to address your concerns? jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nakhjiri Madjid-MNAKHJI1" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:45 PM Subject: RE: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 > I don't think implementing CTP over ICMP should be a MUST. > None of the transport protocols were supposed to MUSTs. > > Madjid > > -----Original Message----- > From: seamoby-admin@ietf.org [mailto:seamoby-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of > hannu.flinck@nokia.com > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 5:18 AM > To: seamoby@ietf.org > Subject: [Seamoby] Comment on CTP-09 > > > Hello > > As the final reviewed period is ongoing, I would like to provide following comments to the CTP spec. > The CTP draft states about the MN-AR transport the following: > > Comment 1: > > "3.2 MN-AR Transport > > The MN-AR interface MUST implement and SHOULD use ICMP for transport of the CTAR and CTAA messages. > : > : > Because ICMP contains no provisions for retransmitting packets if signaling is lost, the CARD protocol incorporates > provisions for improving transport performance on the MN-AR interface...." > > It is unclear to the reader why CARD protocol is referenced at this point? Is the intention to imply piggybacking of CTP and CARD over this interface? Plane provision of retransmission doesn't seem to be the motivation since the CTP draft contains already similar retransmission enhancement to CARD: > > " CTAR messages for which a response is requested which fail to elicit a response are retransmitted. The initial retransmission > occurs after a CTP_REQUEST_RETRY wait period. Retransmissions MUST be made with exponentially increasing wait intervals (doubling the > wait each time). CTAR messages should be retransmitted until ether a response (which might be an error) has been obtained, or > for CTP_RETRY_MAX seconds occurs." > > In the CARD draft, section 4.4, there is identical method provided. Hardly the intention is to run double retransmission scheme. So, it appears that the CTP is self-contained regarding to the retransmission and doesn't require any implementation of CARD to be functional. Right? > > Suggestion: > > - either to remove the reference to CARD, or add wording to explain what is meant by the CARD reference. > > Comment 2 (minor/editorial) to section 2.5.1 > > The MN MUST sent the sequence number to the same value for the message sent on both pAR and nAR so pAR can determine whether to use a cached message. > > change to > => The MN MUST set the sequence number .... > > > Regards Hannu > > _______________________________________________ > Seamoby mailing list > Seamoby@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby > > _______________________________________________ > Seamoby mailing list > Seamoby@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby > _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 6 16:43:25 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA17952 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLpbp-00048C-1H for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:36:45 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i46KajVU015881 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:36:45 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLpVK-00008O-Sg for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:30:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA17420 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLpVJ-0006nC-0m for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:30:01 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLpUN-0006NO-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:29:04 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLpTO-0005xi-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:28:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLpNb-0005UI-3S; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:22:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLpKf-0003Ta-G9 for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:19:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA17061 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLpKd-0002CR-On for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:18:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLpJg-0001nq-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:18:01 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLpIz-0001PQ-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:17:17 -0400 Message-ID: <014701c433a7$37fe1550$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:17:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] issue-#50: Add statement about authentication of MN-AR CARD Requests Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The issue is: Are MN-AR CARD Requets to be authenticated from ARs, or do ARs just reply to all requests that appear below a given max request rate? If CARD Requests are to be authenticated, which mechanisms should be used? Should a clarifying section be added to chapter 6 "Security Considerations"? In response to this, we need to think about the prerequisites for MN-AR CARD Requests to be authenticated. In order for this to occur, there needs to be some kind of security association between the MN and the AR. To set up this security association would require either a prior AAA transaction to exchange shared keys, or that the MN possess a certificate. In general, any security protocol that requires end hosts to be provisioned with certificates will have a difficult time being deployed, because most service providers don't have the infrastructure to do certificate provisioning to end hosts. While most service providers do have some form of AAA, support for end host provisioning of a key for this purpose typically doesn't exist. Also an important class of operators, the 802.11 WISP operators, don't do standard AAA but rather use a HTML/credit card authentication and authorization. So requiring the CARD Request to be authenticated would require the existence of AAA or PKI infrastructure that currently doesn't exist. In essence, it has the same infrastructure requirements as requiring the MN and AR to use IKE to set up an IPsec SA, which the IESG has already identified as too heavy weight. One argument against this point is that CARD is an experimental protocol anyway, perhaps by the time it is standardized there will be such support for end hosts. While this argument may have some validity, one has to look deeper at what authenticating the MN-AR CARD Request means. It means that the AR isn't ready to give out the information about CARs except to hosts that can authenticate themselves to prove their authorization to receive that information. But isn't the authorization to have this information granted by link access in the first place, since the information provided is a means whereby the MN maintains link access during handover? Therefore, it seems as if the initial AAA transaction to allow the MN onto the link should be sufficient to authorize it for obtaining further information on link access. In that sense, it is exactly like Router Advertisements, and requiring any further authentication from the MN would be redundant. In contrast, CARD Replys must be authenticated because the MN must make sure that they are coming from a router that can be trusted. Returning to the 802.11 WISP example, a bogus AP connected to a bogus AR could be used to spoof the MN into connecting to an AR that would steal its traffic, if the MN doesn't authenticate the CARD Replys. The MN must authenticate Router Advertisements (in SEND) for the same reason. So the recommended resolution for this issue is that we add the following paragraph to Section 6: No authentication is required for CARD Requests on the AR. CARD information is provided by the AR to facilitate link access, and the MN's authorization to obtain such information is implicitly granted by the admission procedure used to grant link access to the MN in the first place. In contrast, CARD Reply authentication is required on the MN because a bogus AR could provide the MN with CARD information that would lead the MN to handover to a bogus router which could steal traffic or propagate a denial of service attack on the MN. The asymmetry of the authentication requirement is the same as that involving Router Advertisements in IPv6 router discovery [SEND]. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 6 16:44:56 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA18061 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLphy-0006eu-AC for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:43:06 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i46Kh69N025592 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:43:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLpd7-0004ff-1D for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:38:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA17795 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLpd5-0002Ho-2K for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:38:03 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLpc9-0001sD-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:37:06 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLpb9-0001T8-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:36:03 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLpVK-00008K-PB; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:30:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLpPe-0006Wt-Rv for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:24:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA17212 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLpPd-0004HX-1f for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:24:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLpOi-0003s1-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:23:13 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLpNz-0003Rx-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:22:28 -0400 Message-ID: <015301c433a7$f1149730$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:23:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] CARD Issue Discussion Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, I've posted suggested resolutions for the all outstanding issues on CARD that arose around the 07 draft. I'd like to run the discussion for a week, until next Thurs., May 13. For the issues on which there is no comment or agreement, I'll take them as accepted and incorporate the suggested resolution into the draft. If a particular issue tends to generate more discussion and the discussion is not concluded by next week, we can run the discussion a little longer, perhaps until May 20 at the very latest, but I would like to conclude discussion as soon as possible. For the editorial issues, I'll just make the changes as discussed on the list unless there are any objections. If you have any opinions on the issues, please post them to the list, but please try to post specific suggestions for text. Not having such suggested text makes it much more difficult to figure out how to satisfy a particular request for changes. Thanx. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 6 18:05:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA22718 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 18:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLqv5-0000V1-40 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 18:00:43 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i46M0hG3001912 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 6 May 2004 18:00:43 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLqsv-0007bl-3m for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:58:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA22006 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 17:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLqss-0004dA-GF for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:58:26 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLqrq-0004CX-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:57:23 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLqrF-0003kz-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:56:45 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLqkj-00053z-3J; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:50:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLqgE-0003RE-PA for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:45:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA21400 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 17:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLqgC-0006sk-8o for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:45:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLqfG-0006S6-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:44:22 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLqeQ-000611-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:43:30 -0400 Message-ID: <019301c433b3$434192f0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:44:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] Resolution of Issues with draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, I tried to create an issues page for draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt on Dan Forsberg's Web site where the CTP issues page is, but all I got was a long Python stack dump. :-( Anyway, there aren't that many issues, and I hope we can resolve them without an issues page. In addition to the editorial issues John Loughney raised, there were three other issues that received some amount of comment: 1) Use of MUST, MAY, and SHOULD in the document Suggested resolution: According to Allison, this is OK in an experimental document, and she would like us to submit the IANA allocations document as experimental, not informationl, along with the other two documents (CTP and CARD). So the suggestion is that we keep it in. 2) Allocation of a context identifier for ROHC. Suggested resolution: I have not received a reply from Allison on this, but considering there is currently no RFC track document, either individual or working group, to which one could point if someone actually wanted to implement a ROHC context, I think we should wait. When such a document is available, the authors can ask Allison for a Designated Expert to review the request for a context identifier and have one assigned. If Allison feels that assigning a context idenifier is OK in the absence of a specification, she can recommend it during AD Review. 3) Sunset clause on IANA allocations is unusual. Suggested resolution: This was in response to Ted Hardie and Thomas Narten's Discuss comment on CARD, about using scarce IANA resources. If CTP and CARD never achieve PS status, IANA must maintain the port and ICMP type allocations even though the protocols never are widely used. The Sunset clause allows IANA to widthdraw the allocation if CARD and CTP don't become Proposed Standards within a 3 year time frame. Unless there are any further commments, I will modify the IANA allocations draft to reflect the comments as reflected on the list and the resolutions suggested in this email. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 6 18:13:16 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA23601 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 18:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLr3H-0006fI-Kw for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 18:09:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i46M9BQk025612 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 6 May 2004 18:09:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLqzI-0004Fm-SS for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 18:05:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA22637 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 18:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLqzF-0007bc-TD for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 18:05:02 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLqyM-0007CR-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 18:04:07 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLqxg-0006np-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 18:03:24 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLqtR-00086N-Ay; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:59:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BLqmq-0005tt-He for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:52:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA21742 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 17:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BLqmn-000257-TL for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:52:10 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BLqls-0001fj-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:51:12 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BLqlO-0001GH-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:50:42 -0400 Message-ID: <019f01c433b4$449c99a0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:51:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] CTP Issue 39: Version Number Needed Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The issue is that the CTP protocol currently has no version number. If any incompatible changes in the protocol occur as the protocol develops, it will be hard for implementations to interoperate and maintain backward compatibility. The suggested resolution is to add a version number in the first octet of all CTP messages and in the CDB, and modify all message format diagrams and descriptions to reflect this. Issue 39 has been added to the CTP issue Web page. _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 7 05:49:17 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA11193 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 05:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BM1k2-0005Ld-7F for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 05:34:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i479Y2qQ020558 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 May 2004 05:34:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BM1dz-0003lf-12 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 05:27:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA10137 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 05:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BM1dv-0001mp-L8 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 05:27:43 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BM1d2-0001NZ-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 05:26:49 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BM1cC-0000yI-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 05:25:56 -0400 Received: from c-24-15-101-223.client.comcast.net ([24.15.101.223]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BM1cE-0005w1-NG for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 05:25:58 -0400 Received: from 64.101.198.104 by 24.15.101.223; Fri, 07 May 2004 11:18:09 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Norbert Farr" Reply-To: "Norbert Farr" To: seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org Subject: 98~ I don't get paid enough for what I do Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 15:20:09 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--818D1A8FD76304BE" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY, MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI autolearn=no version=2.60 ----818D1A8FD76304BE Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bulletinsboards or homepages

     

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(Silver 1996" ----818D1A8FD76304BE-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 7 18:36:07 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25825 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 18:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BMDvU-0007sp-Qf for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:34:41 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i47MYeTk030303 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 7 May 2004 18:34:40 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BMDtB-0007BS-W7 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:32:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25614 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 18:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BMDt9-0000tK-1x for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:32:15 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BMDs7-0000TB-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:31:11 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BMDrh-00003H-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:30:45 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BMDo5-0005hj-TJ; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:27:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BMDhR-0003dZ-Sn for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:20:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25182 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 18:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BMDhO-0003bV-W3 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:20:07 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BMDgV-0003CN-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:19:11 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BMDg7-0002mt-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 18:18:47 -0400 Message-ID: <01b801c43481$57d970b0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 15:19:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] New CARD Issue: Version Number Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to propose that we dedicate the bottom 3 bits of the low order byte in the CARD Request/CARD Reply options to a 3 bit version number. This gives us the ability to provide interoperability if binary incompatible changes are made in the protocol when and if it becomes proposed standard. The rest of the 5 bits would be used for the message type. This gives some room to grow if additional message types are required. Marco, can you add this to the issues list? Any comment? Please send comments to the list by next Thurs. May 13. 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This gives >us the ability to provide interoperability if binary incompatible changes >are made in the protocol when and if it becomes proposed standard. The rest >of the 5 bits would be used for the message type. This gives some room to >grow if additional message types are required. > >Marco, can you add this to the issues list? > >Any comment? Please send comments to the list by next Thurs. May 13. Thanx. > > jak > > > >_______________________________________________ >Seamoby mailing list >Seamoby@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby > > _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 11 13:30:53 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10510 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNaw6-0001Ji-Oc for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:21:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4BHKwrv005060 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:20:58 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNago-0006V0-H6 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:05:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08843 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNagm-0001Jb-Nr for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:05:08 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNafv-0000tY-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:04:16 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNaey-0000TL-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:03:16 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNaWz-0003zJ-P2; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:55:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNaDj-00088u-Ll for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:35:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07013 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNaDi-0003kG-1u for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:35:06 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNaCl-0003Km-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:34:07 -0400 Received: from tokyo.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.2] helo=tokyo.ccrle.nec.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNaBx-0002Vc-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:33:17 -0400 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i4BGWfDW049136 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:32:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from defang@localhost) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id i4BGWahk049132 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:32:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: tokyo.ccrle.nec.de: defang set sender to using -f Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by pluto.office (8.12.9/8.12.9+MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id i4BGWZDW049130; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ccrle.nec.de (pluto.office [10.1.1.84]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id 587AFA11D7; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:32:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40A10023.8030507@ccrle.nec.de> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:32:35 +0200 From: Marco Liebsch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf Cc: seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] issue-#48: Use of trusted-anchor sub-option between Access Routers References: <01db01c432ef$630b8b50$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> In-Reply-To: <01db01c432ef$630b8b50$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another point: Is the Trusted Anchor always to be sent from a mobile to it current AR in case of certificates are requested? If the current AR and a CAR share the same CA, the chain from the mobile's trusted CA to the ARs' CA should have been validated already in a previous request. Hence, subsequent cert requests do not necessarily require a Trusted Anchor to be sent with the MN-AR CARD Request, right? Here, the flag could serve for the same purpose in the MN-AR CARD Request. Furthermore, do we have to distinguish between a requested certificate of a CAR or a requested cert of a mobile's current AR? Well, I think the current mechanism uses the L2-ID for that. If the L2-ID belongs to an Access Point associated with the current AR, the cert of the current AR will be sent back, otherwise the cert of the CAR will be sent in the reply. Shouldn't we de-couple a cert request from the L2-ID sub-option? What do you think? marco James Kempf wrote: >The issue is that draft 07 requires use of the Trusted Anchor sub-option >between access routers for an AR to request its CAR to send certificates. >Typically an AR would be interested in obtaining certificate chains for all >trusted anchors possessed by the CAR, and since there is no logical >bandwidth limitation on the inter-router interface, there is no reason to >limit the number of certificates transmitted. > >The suggested resolution is to include a flag in the CARD Request header for >the AR to indicate that it wants all the certificate chains. > > jak > > > >_______________________________________________ >Seamoby mailing list >Seamoby@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby > > _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 11 13:39:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11190 for ; 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Tue, 11 May 2004 13:13:17 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNao7-0004JU-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:12:43 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNaZy-0004vM-S1; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:58:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNaNQ-0001ri-Pw for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:45:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07695 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNaNP-0000Mg-5Y for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:45:07 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNaMW-0007kG-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:44:13 -0400 Received: from tokyo.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.2] helo=tokyo.ccrle.nec.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNaLn-0007HL-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:43:27 -0400 Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i4BGgtDW049799 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:42:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from defang@localhost) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id i4BGgRYb049782 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:42:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: tokyo.ccrle.nec.de: defang set sender to using -f Received: from venus.office (venus.office [10.1.1.11]) by pluto.office (8.12.9/8.12.9+MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id i4BGgQDW049780; Tue, 11 May 2004 18:42:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ccrle.nec.de (pluto.office [10.1.1.84]) by venus.office (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id 6A7A9127035; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:42:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40A10272.8010701@ccrle.nec.de> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:42:26 +0200 From: Marco Liebsch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Kempf Cc: seamoby@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Seamoby] issue-#49: Length indicator for Router Certificate sub-option References: <01e101c432f0$ceaf6ec0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> In-Reply-To: <01e101c432f0$ceaf6ec0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Kempf wrote: >All the length fields in CARD are 8 bits, which means restricts the size of >messages to 254 bytes. This length is insufficient for certificates. > >An additional concern is that if the length field of the entire >Request/Reply mesage is the same as the sub-option length field, the >sub-option generator may want generate an option longer than would fit into >the message, since this would be allowed by the field length. The solution >for this in any case is for the sub-option generator code to respect the >overall limits on the message length, in addition to the sub-option length. > >Proposal 1: Keep the length field size at 8 bits and make the units of >length be 8 octets, for a maximum 1634 bits or 2048 bytes. > >Proposal 2: Change the length field size to 16 bits, for a total of 65535 >bits or 8192 bytes. > >Suggested resolution: Proposal 2 > >Reason: Proposal 1 could result in a maximum of up to 7 padding bytes of >null data in an option or sub-option which is an extra overhead that is >unnecessary and unwanted over the air. > > > Well, this is only my opinion, but if we transmit certs of size > 1kbyte over the air with a CARD Reply, who cares about 7 bytes padding... What bothers me with the 16-bit proposal is that potentially the length of this sub-option can be much larger than the length of the option it is encapsulated with, which is max 256 x 8bytes long. And even when having resolution of 1 byte with 16-bit length identifier, requirement for all sub-options is to take care about 32-bit boundary alignment. Hence, max overhead with proposal 1 is 4 bytes, right? What do others think? marco > jak > > > >_______________________________________________ >Seamoby mailing list >Seamoby@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby > > _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 11 14:01:42 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA12680 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNbSF-00018I-JF for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:54:12 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4BHsB1S004350 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:54:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNbIP-0007aI-QD for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:44:01 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11459 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNbIN-0002hV-Nw for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:43:59 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNbHP-0002H6-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:43:00 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNbGT-0001r0-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:42:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNb4w-0003qa-AK; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:30:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNatF-0000xN-Vi for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:18:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09702 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNatE-0006uW-1h for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:18:00 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNasE-0006UG-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:16:58 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNarF-00062i-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:15:58 -0400 Message-ID: <00c901c4377b$b7456520$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: "Marco Liebsch" Cc: References: <01db01c432ef$630b8b50$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> <40A10023.8030507@ccrle.nec.de> Subject: Re: [Seamoby] issue-#48: Use of trusted-anchor sub-option between Access Routers Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:16:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marco, > > Another point: Is the Trusted Anchor always to be sent from a mobile to > it current AR in case of > certificates are requested? If the current AR and a CAR share the same > CA, the chain from the mobile's > trusted CA to the ARs' CA should have been validated already in a > previous request. The Trusted Anchor only needs to be sent once, and only if the certificates are required. If the mobile node has the certificate chain, either through preconfiguration or through having received it through a previous router, then the Trusted Anchor doesn't need to be sent. But the Trusted Anchor does need to be sent if certs are required, otherwise the router won't know what chain to reply with. Can you suggest a place in the text where this should be made clearer? > Hence, subsequent cert requests do not necessarily require a Trusted > Anchor to be sent > with the MN-AR CARD Request, right? > Here, the flag could serve for the same purpose in the MN-AR CARD Request. > The cert request doesn't ever have to be done except once (and not even then if the mobile node has the certs through some other means). As for using the flag, I doubt the mobile node would really want to get all the certs. Of course, access router certs are not yet deployed, so it is difficult at this time to know exactly how many cert chains will be necessary, but if this develops anything like the certs used for browser traffic, then there could be hundreds of certs required on the router. I don't think we want to encourage the mobile node to download all the cert chains (if there are more than one), when it really only needs one. > Furthermore, do we have to distinguish between a requested certificate > of a CAR or > a requested cert of a mobile's current AR? Yes. The mobile uses the cert chain for the current AR to perform validation of CARD messages on the current AR, it uses the cert chain for CARs to perform CARD on other ARs. > Well, I think the current > mechanism > uses the L2-ID for that. If the L2-ID belongs to an Access Point > associated with the > current AR, the cert of the current AR will be sent back, otherwise the > cert of the CAR will > be sent in the reply. Shouldn't we de-couple a cert request from the L2-ID > sub-option? > > What do you think? > I think we need to distinguish. It is possible that an WISP would use one set of certs for one part of the access network and another for another part. If the mobile is in transition between the two, it must be able to distinguish which certs belong to which routers. The L2-ID distinguishes, and is included in the cert request in order to identify which AR is designated. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue May 11 14:02:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA12747 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNbTR-0001Wo-6t for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:55:25 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4BHtPNj005869 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:55:25 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNbLY-0008Hs-KL for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:47:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11694 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNbLW-00043x-E4 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:47:14 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNbKX-0003cP-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:46:14 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNbJf-0003BE-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:45:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNb5s-00043H-M4; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:31:04 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNavB-00018u-WC for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:20:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09800 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNavA-0007kY-0k for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:20:00 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNauE-0007L6-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:19:03 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNatJ-0006vP-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: <00cf01c4377c$03c82fe0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: "Marco Liebsch" Cc: References: <01e101c432f0$ceaf6ec0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> <40A10272.8010701@ccrle.nec.de> Subject: Re: [Seamoby] issue-#49: Length indicator for Router Certificate sub-option Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:18:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > James Kempf wrote: > > >All the length fields in CARD are 8 bits, which means restricts the size of > >messages to 254 bytes. This length is insufficient for certificates. > > > >An additional concern is that if the length field of the entire > >Request/Reply mesage is the same as the sub-option length field, the > >sub-option generator may want generate an option longer than would fit into > >the message, since this would be allowed by the field length. The solution > >for this in any case is for the sub-option generator code to respect the > >overall limits on the message length, in addition to the sub-option length. > > > >Proposal 1: Keep the length field size at 8 bits and make the units of > >length be 8 octets, for a maximum 1634 bits or 2048 bytes. > > > >Proposal 2: Change the length field size to 16 bits, for a total of 65535 > >bits or 8192 bytes. > > > >Suggested resolution: Proposal 2 > > > >Reason: Proposal 1 could result in a maximum of up to 7 padding bytes of > >null data in an option or sub-option which is an extra overhead that is > >unnecessary and unwanted over the air. > > > > > > > Well, this is only my opinion, but if we transmit certs of size > 1kbyte > over the air with > a CARD Reply, who cares about 7 bytes padding... What bothers me with > the 16-bit proposal is > that potentially the length of this sub-option can be much larger than > the length of the option it > is encapsulated with, which is max 256 x 8bytes long. And even when > having resolution of > 1 byte with 16-bit length identifier, requirement for all sub-options is > to take care about 32-bit > boundary alignment. > Hence, max overhead with proposal 1 is 4 bytes, right? > > What do others think? > So how about changing the size of the option to 16 bits as well? BTW, if we do change the size to 16 bits, then I think the units should be bytes and not bits. So the max size would be 65536 bytes. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 12 00:35:03 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA19947 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNlOb-0006Ep-59 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:31:05 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4C4V5nH023979 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:31:05 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNlN3-0005tF-Hr for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:29:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA19760 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNlN1-00060r-31 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:29:27 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNlM1-0005Zx-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:28:26 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNlKy-0004zg-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:27:20 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNlGn-0004lE-So; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNlEO-0003w2-JA for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:20:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA19256 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNlEM-00023e-1M for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:20:30 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNlDL-0001cQ-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:19:27 -0400 Received: from motgate4.mot.com ([144.189.100.102]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNlCC-0000tA-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:18:16 -0400 Received: from il06exr06.mot.com (il06exr06.mot.com [129.188.137.136]) by motgate4.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate4) with ESMTP id i4C4IGbj009258 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 21:18:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from il27exm03.cig.mot.com (il27exm03.cig.mot.com [10.17.193.4]) by il06exr06.mot.com (Motorola/il06exr06) with ESMTP id i4C4IDUL014586 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:18:13 -0500 Received: by il27exm03.cig.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:18:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: Singh Ajoy-ASINGH1 To: "'seamoby@ietf.org'" Subject: FW: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:18:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-BeenThere: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Hello James, Sorry for late comments. I was out last week. BTW, I have couple of minor editorial comments on the latest draft. Should't we change the third sentence of section 6.3 to " Since establishing an IPSec security association between MN and AR(not ARS) ..."? Also, there is some extra "." before the begining of third para of page 9. Regards, Ajoy -----Original Message----- From: seamoby-admin@ietf.org To: seamoby@ietf.org Sent: 5/3/04 5:18 PM Subject: [Seamoby] Review Period Reminder Folks, As a reminder, we are now in a review period for changes to the CTP and CARD drafts in response to IESG and AD comments. The review expires this Thurs. May 6 (apologies for the wrong weekday on the original email, May 6 is Thurs. not Tue.). We have already received two sets of comments to the list, one on CTP and one on CARD. If you have any comments, please submit them before Thurs. Remember that at this point we're looking for specific text that needs changing and suggestions for what text should replace or augment it. The drafts are at: http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-card-protocol-07.txt http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-ctp-09.txt http://www.geocities.com/kempf42/draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 12 00:48:10 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20183 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNldn-0008V5-Hi for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:46:48 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4C4klbU032675 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:46:47 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNlYk-0007q0-UR for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:41:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA20119 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNlYi-0003Lj-84 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:41:32 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNlXl-0002vq-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:40:34 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNlX3-0002Vy-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:49 -0400 Received: from [211.162.127.195] (helo=65.246.255.50) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BNlWz-00037N-HJ for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:48 -0400 Received: from 66.109.190.211 by 211.162.127.195; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:36:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Lincoln Wiseman" Reply-To: "Lincoln Wiseman" To: seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org Subject: employers don't hire people without degrees, buy yours today Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 04:37:56 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--4A4CE0B1162E421" X-Webmail-Time: Wed, 12 May 2004 04:39:56 -0100 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=10.1 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,FORGED_RCVD_NET_HELO, HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING,MIME_HTML_ONLY, MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI,OBFUSCATING_COMMENT,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Report: * 0.3 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains a numeric HELO * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * 0.1 HTML_FONT_BIG BODY: HTML has a big font * 0.1 HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE BODY: HTML font color not in safe 6x6x6 palette * 0.1 HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY BODY: HTML has "tbody" tag * 0.0 LINES_OF_YELLING BODY: A WHOLE LINE OF YELLING DETECTED * 0.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts * 0.2 HTML_50_60 BODY: Message is 50% to 60% HTML * 0.8 BIZ_TLD URI: Contains a URL in the BIZ top-level domain * 3.0 FORGED_RCVD_NET_HELO Host HELO'd using the wrong IP network * 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI Multipart message only has text/html MIME parts * 4.3 OBFUSCATING_COMMENT HTML comments which obfuscate text ----4A4CE0B1162E421 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable arguing

     

    which to a large degree has been misunderstood and= misinterpreted. People refer to the Turing test as a test to decide if a = machine is intelligent or not toys and computers she takes the material co= mputer as an already established actant as her starting point and focuses = on software instead of the machine. Her claim depends on the development o= f graphical user interfaces that made the change possible from modern to p= ost-modebeing a non-modern toy showing the work of purific= ation and work of hybridization simultaneously The scientists working on c= omputers discovered their potential to create artificial realities even th= ough it still is with difficultiesthe sage or to be precise he succeed in creating a= vacuum in the closed collective he was part of inspired etc. by our surro= undings and our encounters with other peoplea hybrid something the Gnutella system isn=CCt by = allowing anything to be shared that exist in a digital form. Gnutella ther= eby lives up to the ideals of a collective intelligence Still I will have = to point out that the Gnutella and the open-source collective do sound pro= mising ----4A4CE0B1162E421-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 12 09:06:08 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29910 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNtKY-0003Ki-DE for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:59:26 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4CCxQFm012813 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:59:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNt8t-0001Du-Iz for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:47:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28769 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNt8s-0001MN-6E for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:47:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNt7s-0000pb-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:46:21 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNt75-0000Ii-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:45:31 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNsxu-0007IM-Kt; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:36:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BNsvt-0006w3-Lt for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:33:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28055 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BNsvs-0001sW-Il for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:33:56 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BNsuE-0000oF-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:32:15 -0400 Received: from smtp6.clb.oleane.net ([213.56.31.26]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BNstZ-0000G7-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 08:31:33 -0400 Received: from Pavillonquatre ([194.206.151.59]) by smtp6.clb.oleane.net with ESMTP id i4CCV2d7015747 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:31:03 +0200 Message-Id: <200405121231.i4CCV2d7015747@smtp6.clb.oleane.net> From: "Peter" To: Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:30:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4382D.BB4AECF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcQ4HPdSY4YjxaI7R6KAXm7vPITiFQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: [Seamoby] International SIP 2005 Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4382D.BB4AECF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit International SIP 2005 will take place in Paris on January 25 to 28. Upper Side is expecting more than 400 delegates. The conference will be jointly organized with TVoDSL 05, another worldwide success. Therefore, the SIP conference will represent the VoIP side of this Triple Play event. In all, Upper side expects more than 800 participants. The call for proposals dead line has been extended to June 11. Please get all details at: http://www.upperside.fr/intersip05/sip2005cfp.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4382D.BB4AECF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    International SIP = 2005 will take place in Paris on January 25 to 28. Upper Side is expecting more than 400 = delegates.
    The conference will be jointly = organized with TVoDSL 05, another worldwide success. Therefore, = the SIP conference will represent the VoIP side of this Triple Play event. In all, Upper side expects more than 800 = participants.

     

    The call for proposals dead line has been = extended to June 11.

    Please get all details = at:

    http://www.upperside.fr/intersip05/sip2005cfp.htm=

     

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    ----374C8EB68559BBC2-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 14 13:21:25 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06479 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOgJF-0006TH-Mb for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:17:22 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4EHHLr2024865 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:17:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOg7w-0003zw-S9 for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:05:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05608 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BOg7v-0001S1-2Q for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:05:39 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BOg73-0000vH-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:04:46 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BOg6A-0000OP-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:03:50 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOg3T-0002xS-9Q; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:01:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOfvz-0001Pi-EI for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:53:19 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04681 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BOfvx-0002uq-NC for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:53:17 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BOfuv-0002N3-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:52:13 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BOfu5-0001pF-00; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:51:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00c901c439d3$c6c24680$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Cc: , Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:51:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] Please advance draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Seamoby WG draft, draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt, has been submitted to the Internet Drafts editor and is now ready for AD Review, IESG Review, and publication as an experimental RFC. The draft should appear in the registery shortly. The draft contains instructions to IANA for performing allocations for both Seamoby protocols. Please let me know if there are any questions. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 14 13:22:50 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06628 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOgKw-0006lQ-5t for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:19:06 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4EHJ6ec025995 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:19:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOgCQ-00050Y-Lq for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:10:18 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05813 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BOgCO-0003w8-TH for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:10:16 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BOgBV-0003S5-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:09:22 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BOgAw-0002xv-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:08:46 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOg4P-0003CN-7j; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:02:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOfyk-0001y1-Rz for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:56:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04819 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BOfyj-0004S5-49 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:56:09 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BOfxi-0003v6-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:55:06 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BOfwd-0003Ck-00; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:53:59 -0400 Message-ID: <00d601c439d4$24f06200$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: , Cc: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:54:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] draft-ietf-seamoby-ctp-09.txt submitted to the Internet Drafts directory and ready for review Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allison, John Loughney, the editor of the CTP draft, submitted draft-ietf-seamoby-ctp-09.txt to the Internet Drafts directory. The draft is now ready for AD Review, IESG Review and publication as an Experimental RFC. The draft should appear in the directory shortly. In response to the AD review comments on draft 08, the WG made the following changes in the document, reflected in the 09 draft: 1) Comment: transport protocol is vaguely specified, need a transport protocol for interrouter signaling that supports congestion control. Response: The WG has decided to require SCTP as the transport protocol for interoperability between routers, while also allowing experimentation with other protocols for those who are interested in determining whether SCTP is indeed the optimal protocol for this purpose. Similarly, the WG has decided to require ICMP for interoperability on the host to router signaling with exponential backoff for congestion control, and also allow experimentation with other protocols for those who are interested. There was some interest in the WG in leaving the question of the optimal transport somewhat open for experimentation until standardization is started on the protocol. 2) Comment: MLD example context in Appendix B is not realistic, since MLD will not be used by 3G wireless protocols anyway. Is there really any use for context transfer? Response: Draft 09 removes any reference to 3G protocols, and instead refers to other low data rate protocols, such as Bluetooth, that might use an MLD context transfer. In addition, the new text points out that the Seamoby WG was not chartered to do specific context design, and so has had to reject many proposals for specific contexts brought to the WG over the years. The new text also sites a few examples of contexts for which designs are in progress and proprietary context transfer protocols used in products as cases where a standardized interoperable context transfer protocol might be useful. In addition to these comments, there have been a few other minor changes to tighten up the design (for example, the addition of a protocol version number in all messages). Finally, the Discuss comment on draft-ietf-card-protocol-06.txt (which actually applies to both Seamoby drafts) by Ted Hardie and Thomas Narton, questioning the permanent assignment of scarce port and ICMP type number resources to the experimental Seamoby protocols, has been addressed by having both Seamoby protocols share an SCTP port and ICMP type number. The SCTP PPI and ICMP code are used to distinguish whether the message is for CARD or CTP. Because the WG is asking IANA to perform actions for both protocols, a new WG draft, draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt, contains the instructions to IANA from Seamoby, rather than having the instructions in the individual drafts. The CTP Issues page is at http://danforsberg.info:8080/draft-ietf-seamoby-ctp/ in case you would like to browse the issues, all issues are now Closed. Please let me know if you have any questions on the draft. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri May 14 13:30:53 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07209 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOgUh-0000YF-8y for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:29:11 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4EHTB8A002109 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:29:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOgNN-0007Ub-Lr for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:21:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06544 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BOgNL-0001ld-Mq for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:21:35 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BOgML-0001Ds-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:20:34 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BOgLK-0000g0-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:19:30 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOgE5-0005K9-5l; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:12:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOg4d-0003Fr-Sb for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:02:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05316 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BOg4b-0007ba-Uq for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:02:14 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BOg3d-00076k-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:01:14 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BOg2x-0006dR-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00e201c439d5$0f03c8a0$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:01:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] Disposition of Open CARD issues Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So there's been no comment on the proposed resolutions I posted for issues #46, #47, and #50. I'd like to declare those issues Closed. I will be folding the proposed resolutions into the text. Marco, can you also please update the issues Web page? There is currently outstanding discussion on issues #48 and #49, and #51 was posted within the week, so we'll keep comment open on those for another week, until May 20. Please send any comments to the list. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat May 15 01:15:43 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA20165 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOrTJ-0001oi-5i for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:12:29 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4F5CTJo006979 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:12:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BOrN8-00006g-Gh for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:06:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19873 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BOrN5-00009b-Cc for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:06:03 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BOrM6-0007SF-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:05:02 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BOrLJ-0006wF-00; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:04:13 -0400 Received: from cm64-lflo2-26-75.cm.vtr.net ([200.86.26.75]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BOrLI-0002ul-U9; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:04:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:05:42 +0400 From: "Gus Nickols" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org Subject: Dramatic Results 1st Month Free Weight Loss Formula MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,MIME_HTML_ONLY,NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP, PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

     

     

     

     

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    Required DPRI information: OTCBB Stock Alert is an independent
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    provide an analysis of the company's financial position and is not an of= fer to
    buy or sell securities. Investing in securities is speculative and carri= es risk.
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    your investment advisor and after reviewing the financial statements of = the
    company. OTCBB Stock Alert presents information in this online report believed to be reliable, but its accuracy cannot be assured. Past perfor= mance
    does not insure similar future results. OTCBB Stock Alert received fifte= en
    thousand dollars from an unaffiliated third party with respect to the preparation of this special online report as an effort to build investor=
    awareness for DPRI. The information reported herein contains future-
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    number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results to di= ffer
    materially from those presently anticipated.


    ----678C90EF8F12A596B95-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed May 19 15:35:59 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06098 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 15:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQWLx-0001i0-6P for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 15:03:45 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4JJ3jPS006569 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 15:03:45 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQVoT-0006hC-Sm for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 14:29:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28663 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 14:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQVoR-0005zw-6I for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 14:29:07 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQVnS-0005ty-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 14:28:07 -0400 Received: from 216-184-199-252.client.dsl.net ([216.184.199.252]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQVmq-0005kN-00; Wed, 19 May 2004 14:27:30 -0400 Received: from 144.222.8.80 by 216.184.199.252; Thu, 20 May 2004 00:19:07 +0500 Message-ID: From: "Thurman Harrison" Reply-To: "Thurman Harrison" To: sipping-request@ietf.org Subject: Follow the trend to profit on fast moving issues Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 01:18:07 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--678C90EF8F12A596B95" X-IP: 53.172.160.84 X-Priority: 3 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_UNTITLED,MIME_HTML_ONLY,MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI, PRIORITY_NO_NAME,STOCK_ALERT,STOCK_PICK autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Report: * 1.2 STOCK_PICK BODY: Offers a picked stock * 2.4 STOCK_ALERT BODY: Offers a alert about a stock * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * 0.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts * 0.7 HTML_TITLE_UNTITLED BODY: HTML title contains "Untitled" * 0.8 PRIORITY_NO_NAME Message has priority setting, but no X-Mailer * 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI Multipart message only has text/html MIME parts * -0.0 AWL AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment ----678C90EF8F12A596B95 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Untitled Document OTCBB Stock Alert's Last Two Picks:
    IOTN from .74 to 3.65 in 8 days for a gain of 393%!
    MOBL from .09 to .29 in 6 days for a gain of 223%!

    Here is our next explosive stock pick:
    Diversified Product Inspections, Inc. (OTC-BB: DPRI)
    Buy at .33
    Sell target .94 =3D Diamond Play!

    Major Contract Announcements and
    Huge Newsletter Coverage This Week for DPRI !

    DPRI has been saving the largest insurance companies in the US $Million= s
    for over 14 years by performing defective product and fire investigation= s and
    air quality analysis. The number of annual product inspections performed= by
    DPRI with regard to investigating defects has tripled to 10,000 per year= up
    from 3,000 three years ago as insurers see the financial rewards of
    = identifying the exact cause of a defective or failed product.

    DPRI reported positive earnings of .04 cents per share in 2003 with .07= cents
    per share expected for the current year. The stock should be trading conservatively at over 1.50 on the strength of those figures.

    DPRI's client base reads like a "who's-who" of the insurance = industry
    including Allstate, Fireman's Fund, Hartford, Liberty Mutual, Nationwide= ,
    Prudential, Republic, State Farm and Travelers. DPRI has the largest and=
    most thorough database in the US for identifying product defects that ar= e
    responsible for hundreds of millions in damage. DPRI has little to no competitors in this arena and just signed a contract for a single compan= y to
    pay them $1 Million for access to this database over a 10 year period. T= hat's
    just one company out of hundreds that can't afford to be without this valuable information.

    Billionaire-financial genius Warren Buffet has grown his Berkshire
    = Hathaway empire (trading at over $80,000 per share) on the explosive cas= h
    flow from 3 insurance subsidiaries: National Indemnity, GEICO, and
    reinsurance giant General Re.

    DPRI is being force-fed ever increasing amounts of business by the lead= ing
    core of this very successful sector but has remained below the radar of =
    investors, thus creating a share price that is artificially undervalued.= DPRI
    has the proven experience that fosters escalating revenues and growth. B= ased
    on the very small float and the ability for the stock to jump sharply on= any
    real volume, upcoming news and continuous profits will lead to increased=
    exposure in conjunction with a soaring stock price.

    We are expecting significant upcoming news regarding increased revenues=
    and contract expansion from DPRI's Fortune 500 customer base. Look for <= br> record volume and price appreciation as DPRI may very well be one of the=
    most undervalued stocks on the OTCBB!

    Required DPRI information: OTCBB Stock Alert is an independent
    newsletter with the goal of giving investors the necessary knowledge to =
    make rational and profitable investment decisions. This publication does= not
    provide an analysis of the company's financial position and is not an of= fer to
    buy or sell securities. Investing in securities is speculative and carri= es risk.
    It is recommended that any investment should be made after consulting wi= th
    your investment advisor and after reviewing the financial statements of = the
    company. OTCBB Stock Alert presents information in this online report believed to be reliable, but its accuracy cannot be assured. Past perfor= mance
    does not insure similar future results. OTCBB Stock Alert received fifte= en
    thousand dollars from an unaffiliated third party with respect to the preparation of this special online report as an effort to build investor=
    awareness for DPRI. The information reported herein contains future-
    = looking statements and information within the meaning of Section 27A of =
    the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Ac= t
    of 1934, including statements regarding expected continual growth of the=
    featured company. Future-looking statements are based on expectations, <= br> estimates, and projections at the time the statements are made that invo= lve a
    number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results to di= ffer
    materially from those presently anticipated.


    ----678C90EF8F12A596B95-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 20 12:05:54 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA27916 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQplc-0001QO-SX for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:47:33 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4KFlWll005476 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:47:32 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQpNn-0000Nd-2X for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:22:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA23159 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQpNm-0003FO-6C for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:22:54 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQpMi-0002xC-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:21:49 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQpLf-0002cY-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:20:43 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQp67-0004Ny-9L; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:04:39 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQmcH-00073T-LD for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:25:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA14186 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQmcG-0003p9-CA for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:25:40 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQmbL-0003dr-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:24:43 -0400 Received: from smtp2.libero.it ([193.70.192.52]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQmah-0003Lf-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:24:03 -0400 Received: from libero.it (172.16.1.111) by smtp2.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 404F13FC00963E4C for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:24:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:23:32 +0200 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Elena Scialpi" To: "seamoby" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B27) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 193.204.86.168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Seamoby] a question on CTP draft Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, CTP transfers context from PAR to NAR. If the context is QoS= context and the node that trigger QoS re-establish on new path is Corr= espondent Node (CN) and not NAR,is QoS context transferred from PAR to C= N? Thanks in advance for your replies! Elena _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 20 13:17:08 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA03515 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQqsb-0002WG-Q0 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:58:50 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4KGwnwD009685 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:58:49 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQqol-0007Zo-2o for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:54:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01616 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQqoj-0005pI-83 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:54:49 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQqnl-0005iL-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:53:50 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQqmk-0005ZZ-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:52:46 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQqXa-0002fs-0s; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:37:06 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQqEU-0004bL-1u for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:17:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28914 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQqES-0002V3-IC for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:17:20 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQqDZ-0002PA-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:16:25 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQqCY-0002JE-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:15:22 -0400 Message-ID: <022001c43e85$bb2df420$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: "Elena Scialpi" , "seamoby" References: Subject: Re: [Seamoby] a question on CTP draft Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:15:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CTP is only for transferring context between access routers. It is not a substitute for doing the actual signaling between two general nodes, to establish or re-establish the context necessary for some routing treatment. jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elena Scialpi" To: "seamoby" Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:23 AM Subject: [Seamoby] a question on CTP draft Hi all, CTP transfers context from PAR to NAR. If the context is QoS context and the node that trigger QoS re-establish on new path is Correspondent Node (CN) and not NAR,is QoS context transferred from PAR to CN? Thanks in advance for your replies! 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    ----748035D321DD5A7-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 20 18:00:38 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA29337 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQvOx-0006N7-ST for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:48:32 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4KLmVlm024485 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:48:31 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQvEz-0001dV-Bz for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:38:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA27769 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQvEw-0002IN-Tw for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:38:11 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQvE0-0002EL-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:37:13 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQvDd-00029y-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:36:49 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQuz2-0002oY-E0; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:21:44 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQuS5-0006JX-UC for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:47:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA21419 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQuS3-0002x7-S1 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:47:39 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQuR1-0002nJ-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:46:36 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQuQ3-0002dd-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:45:35 -0400 Message-ID: <02c301c43eab$7d653150$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:46:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] IESG Review on draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-00.txt Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Narten returned a review of the Seamoby IANA allocations document. As a result of the review, the following changes will be made in version 01: 1) The ICMP type and SCTP port are referred to as the "Experimental Mobility" allocations, not just Seamoby allocations. This allows FMIP to utilize the same ICMP type and define subtype codes (and also the port, if they require SCTP, and define PPIs), thereby further preserving IANA resources. However, other than stating in the document that the ICMP type and SCTP port are available, no further action is taken, and it is up to the MIPSHOP and MIP4 WGs to take advantage of these allocations if they want. There is also a new section allowing ("MAY") other protocols to use the port and type, if an RFC is available that was developed by the method of IETF Consensus. 2) The Layer 2 Access Technology Identifier was expanded from 8 bits to 16. Thomas rightly noted that the number of wireless technologies has proliferated in the last few years, and the proliferation can be expected to continue. It is possible that the registry could run out of type codes rather quickly. This change will also be propagated to the CARD draft. 3) The IANA actions for future allocations were aligned with the standard definitions in RFC 2434. 4) The Expiration section was removed. IETF does not have a good history about reclaiming allocations from IANA, and Thomas felt that a section on reclaimations was likely to raise more questions than would really be merited by the liklihood that the reclaimations would ever be done. Since we are only asking for a single ICMP type code in IPv4 and IPv6, the amount of resource usage isn't that large, and SCTP ports are really not constrained at all, because few protocols use SCTP yet. 5) Instructions for allocating the SCTP port were moved into the Common IPv4 and IPv6 sections, since IANA typically allocates the same port for both. 6) Some minor editorial updates. With these updates, I am submitting version 01 to the Internet Drafts editor today. jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu May 20 18:01:04 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA29388 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQvQP-0007Cw-On for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:50:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4KLo1Aw027698 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:50:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQvJW-0003L4-8A for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:42:54 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA28019 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQvJT-0002h8-Po for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:42:51 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQvIW-0002aV-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:41:53 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQvHY-0002Vs-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:40:52 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQv1T-00040Z-Iv; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:24:15 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BQuiF-0005Q9-Ac for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:04:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23585 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQuiC-0005kl-VT for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:04:21 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BQueX-00054M-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:00:34 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BQua6-0004LG-00; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:55:58 -0400 Message-ID: <02da01c43eac$f1986550$366115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: , Cc: , , "Thomas Narten" , Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:56:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-01.txt Now Ready Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allison, The Seamoby WG draft, "Instructions for Seamoby Experimental Protocol IANA Allocations", has been edited according to Thomas Narten's instructions sent per email 5/20/04 and draft-ietf-seamoby-iana-01.txt has been submitted to the Internet Drafts editor. It should be posted shortly. In addition to Thomas' specific editing instructions, I made the following changes to align the draft with two of his general recommendations: 1) I generalized the names of the ICMP type and SCTP port allocations from "Seamoby" to "Experimental Mobility". I added a section allowing ("MAY") other protocols to utilize the ICMP type, by allocating subtype codes, and SCTP port, by allocating PPIs. The method of IETF Concensus is required to utilize the resources and allocate the subtypes and PPIs. This should open the resources for use by the experimental FMIP protocols, currently under consideration in MIP4 and MIPSHOP, should Thomas and the respective WG chairs so desire. 2) I removed the section on Expiration, since, as Thomas pointed out, IETF hasn't been very proactive about reclaiming the allocations, so the instructions were likely to go unheeded, and, besides, the requested allocations were now so minor that they would not constitute a potential burden. The draft is now ready for publication as an Experimental RFC. 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Based on the symbol and current state who= in 1931 had come up with solutions to two of Hilbert's problems in lots o= f places biological pets are not allowed and especially in Japan where AIB= O is extremely popular the apartments are very small ----6D144068898A9B084-- From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun May 23 11:52:51 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA22729 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRvGS-0000UL-J4 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:51:53 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4NFpqxP001877 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:51:52 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRvEJ-0000Bw-2B for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:49:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA22555 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRvEH-0000xE-PA for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:49:37 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRvDA-0000b2-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:48:29 -0400 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRvBC-00008U-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:46:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRv7u-0007Yt-Ps; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:43:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BRv6Z-0006mO-AW for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:41:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA22372 for ; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BRv6Y-0006Ye-4x for seamoby@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:41:38 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BRv5j-0006HV-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:40:48 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BRv4x-0005zi-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Sun, 23 May 2004 11:40:00 -0400 Message-ID: <006401c440dc$4c5ad320$4c6115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: "Chuda Liu" Cc: References: <20040523023905.98B294FC1C@mailrelay.docomolabs-usa.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 08:40:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Seamoby] Re: a question about CTP Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The router needs to know what features the mobile node is using. It's an implementation issue. CTP just deals with getting the contexts between th= e routers in an interoperable way. jak ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Chuda Liu" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: a question about CTP Hi kempf, My question is how to know which feature context need to be transferred w= hen the AR receives an internally generated trigger? Maybe transfer the default feature context,however, if I want to tranfer = the particular feature context in this scenario, how can the protocol do? regards =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1Chuda Liu =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1chudaliu@163.net =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A12004-05-23 _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon May 24 08:42:59 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (www.iesg.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA02224 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BSEdL-0008GT-58 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:32:47 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4OCWlCe031770 for seamoby-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:32:47 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BSETW-0006w4-Pu for seamoby-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:22:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA01248 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BSETV-0001q2-JX for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:22:37 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BSESI-0001PJ-00 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:21:23 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BSER9-0000nM-02 for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:20:11 -0400 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BSEFX-0007tX-Td for seamoby-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:08:12 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BSE7y-0003WQ-SF; Mon, 24 May 2004 08:00:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BSDyL-0001qb-69 for seamoby@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 07:50:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA29027 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 07:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BSDyK-0006pK-7G for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 07:50:24 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BSDxO-0006WP-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 07:49:26 -0400 Received: from key1.docomolabs-usa.com ([216.98.102.225] helo=fridge.docomolabs-usa.com ident=fwuser) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BSDwe-0006DZ-00 for seamoby@ietf.org; Mon, 24 May 2004 07:48:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c44184$fc076c90$336115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 16:54:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Seamoby] CARD: Modification in resolution to issues #49 and #51 Sender: seamoby-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: seamoby-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: seamoby@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Context Transfer, Handoff Candidate Discovery, and Dormant Mode Host Alerting List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It turns out there are some constraints imposed on the resolution of issues #49 and #51 by the fact that CARD messages are sent as options on Neighbor Discovery in IPv6, or Mobile IPv4 ICMP messages in IPv4. These constraints require modification to the recommended resolutions as follows: issue-#49: Length indicator for Router Certificate sub-option: The recommended resolution was to change all field lengths to 16 bits with units of octets, rather than 8 bits with units of 8 octets. It turns out that the length field is constrained by the ND options TLD format to be 8 bits with units of octets, allowing a maximum of about 2K octets. This is not long enough for a general certificate chain. Most X.509 certs are rather long, typically on the order of about 1K, so more than on cert is unlikely to fit into a message. The following is a modification of the resolution to meet these constraints: - Change the Router Certificate suboption length units to 8 octets. - Drop the Context ID and require only a Address Option and L2-ID option in a message with a certificate. - If more than one certificate is required, the router sends multiple CARD Reply Messages. - Add a flag indicating if the certificate is the last one to be sent. The host should be able to deduce this by whether the chain is complete. In addtion, the following modification is advisable, since X.500 names used for certificates can be long: - Modify the units for the Trusted Anchor option from octets to 8 octets. issue-#51: Version number needed. The TLV format of the ND options won't allow the version number to be put into the lower bits of the option type, since the type is assigned by IANA. The following is a modification of the resolution to meet these constraints; - Put the 3 bit version number immediately after the T and L fields, which are specified by RFC 2461. Comments? jak _______________________________________________ Seamoby mailing list Seamoby@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/seamoby From ykiyzcma@pacbell.net Tue May 25 19:10:30 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA05287 for ; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: ykiyzcma@pacbell.net Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BSl44-00061u-0Y for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:10:32 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BSl0a-0005QX-00 for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:06:57 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BSkyd-00055O-00; Tue, 25 May 2004 19:04:55 -0400 Received: from pc-210-180.providencia.pc.metropolis-inter.com ([200.30.210.180]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BSklM-0004qA-Ku; Tue, 25 May 2004 18:51:14 -0400 Received: from 182.250.228.206 by 200.30.210.180; Wed, 26 May 2004 03:48:22 +0400 Message-ID: ; Fri, 28 May 2004 18:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BTqGT-0005tP-NT for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 28 May 2004 18:55:49 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BTqFZ-0005Sr-00 for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 28 May 2004 18:54:55 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BTqER-000505-00; Fri, 28 May 2004 18:53:43 -0400 Received: from chello080109129047.tirol.surfer.at ([80.109.129.47]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BTqEO-00074J-RQ; Fri, 28 May 2004 18:53:42 -0400 X-Message-Info: 13B478IbhjB6OFEDcCoboNY32DfoOOHDAtnlWJaDQA4ZZZAA Received: from lockheed9osierasphalt (D1.73.BBE.40) by mail2.GUODPPVPTBBDL@agoranet.es (Bluewin AG 8.D.700) id A25EQX11DXCA6B2GPOE1D for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 28 May 2004 20:43:26 -0300 Message-ID: <1DFD6DAD884A.E63D4@GUODPPVPTBBDL@agoranet.es> Reply-To: "Kieth Deal" From: "Kieth Deal" To: "Seamoby-archive" Subject: make money with this winner Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 01:45:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--4418DD3B952243343D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,EXCUSE_3,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_UNTITLED,MIME_HTML_ONLY,MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI autolearn=no version=2.60 ----4418DD3B952243343D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-F98D-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Untitled Document Stock Buyer's Alert!

    ERHC and ExxonMobil exercise priority rights on highly sought after oil= blocks in
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    License approval for the region's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is a mu= ltilateral deal
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    The US Government is pushing for increasing development of the area to = minimize
    Middle East dependence. The eyes of the world are watching with record p= rices at the
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    Required Disclosure: Stock Buyer's Alert (SBA) cautions that small and = micro-cap
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    Stock Buyer's Alert!

    ERHC and ExxonMobil exercise priority rights on highly sought after oil= blocks in
    Nigeria and Sao Tome's Joint Development Zone (JDZ) in the Gulf of Guine= a.

    Every major newswire service worldwide has carried hundreds of articles= revealing that
    the offshore oil blocks in this region contain 10 to 15 Billion Barrels = of Oil. The JDZ
    line-up tipped to take over upcoming blocks includes ExxonMobil, ERHC, <= br> ChevronTexaco, AmeradaHess, and Anadarko.

    License approval for the region's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is a mu= ltilateral deal
    securing blocks jointly involving ExxonMobil, ERHC, and ChevronTexaco.

    ERHC has jumped from a .25 cent stock earlier in the year to a .50 cent= stock that is
    headed for over $2 or a possible buyout from one of their JDZ multinatio= nal players.

    ERHC has been at the negotiating tables with the super-major oil compan= ies. It is
    impossible to measure the power that is carried where a stock at this pr= ice level is a
    vital part of a key union of oil giants! The top-level executives of the= JDZ oil majors
    have been finalizing the percentage awards with ERHC for official announ= cement of the
    landmark-licensing round in the first 2 weeks of June.

    The US Government is pushing for increasing development of the area to = minimize
    Middle East dependence. The eyes of the world are watching with record p= rices at the
    pump and oil busting through $40 per barrel.

    The oil companies will always make their $Billions - investors can cash= in by
    accumulating a substantial position just before earth-shattering news is= released that
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    Required Disclosure: Stock Buyer's Alert (SBA) cautions that small and = micro-cap
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    investment advice or promoting any investment strategies. SBA is not off= ering securities
    for sale or solicitation of any offer to buy or sell securities. SBA has= received ten
    thousand dollars from a third party for the dissemination of this compan= y profile. Since
    we have received compensation there is an inherent conflict of interesti= ng our statements
    and opinions. Readers of this publication are cautioned not to place und= ue reliance on
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    ----4418DD3B952243343D0-- From BZNGEICWRK@via.at Sun May 30 11:41:54 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11614 for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 11:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BUSRf-0001Tx-S3 for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 30 May 2004 11:41:55 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BUSQe-0001Aw-00 for seamoby-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 30 May 2004 11:40:53 -0400 Received: from c-67-162-77-143.client.comcast.net ([67.162.77.143]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BUSPh-0000m8-00; Sun, 30 May 2004 11:39:55 -0400 X-Message-Info: EDMDKRasucu8EFC3fENjYBkJHZ45ErqQHJfLAE18GP78F Received: (from extenuate@localhost) by somersetplE.BZNGEICWRK@via.at (1.0B.F/6.D5.E) id eg675JTbJ846D9; Sun, 30 May 2004 15:39:17 -0100 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Bonita Hayden" From: "Bonita Hayden" To: "Seamoby-archive" Subject: what your broker should have said Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 14:32:17 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--B6488744FEEC53C79" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD,EXCUSE_3,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_UNTITLED,MIME_HTML_ONLY,MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI autolearn=no version=2.60 ----B6488744FEEC53C79 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-18B4-5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Untitled Document Stock Buyer's Alert!

    ERHC and ExxonMobil exercise priority rights on highly sought after oil= blocks in
    Nigeria and Sao Tome's Joint Development Zone (JDZ) in the Gulf of Guine= a.

    Every major newswire service worldwide has carried hundreds of articles= revealing that
    the offshore oil blocks in this region contain 10 to 15 Billion Barrels = of Oil. The JDZ
    line-up tipped to take over upcoming blocks includes ExxonMobil, ERHC, <= br> ChevronTexaco, AmeradaHess, and Anadarko.

    License approval for the region's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is a mu= ltilateral deal
    securing blocks jointly involving ExxonMobil, ERHC, and ChevronTexaco.

    ERHC has jumped from a .25 cent stock earlier in the year to a .50 cent= stock that is
    headed for over $2 or a possible buyout from one of their JDZ multinatio= nal players.

    ERHC has been at the negotiating tables with the super-major oil compan= ies. It is
    impossible to measure the power that is carried where a stock at this pr= ice level is a
    vital part of a key union of oil giants! The top-level executives of the= JDZ oil majors
    have been finalizing the percentage awards with ERHC for official announ= cement of the
    landmark-licensing round in the first 2 weeks of June.

    The US Government is pushing for increasing development of the area to = minimize
    Middle East dependence. The eyes of the world are watching with record p= rices at the
    pump and oil busting through $40 per barrel.

    The oil companies will always make their $Billions - investors can cash= in by
    accumulating a substantial position just before earth-shattering news is= released that
    will send shockwaves through ERHC.

    Required Disclosure: Stock Buyer's Alert (SBA) cautions that small and = micro-cap
    stocks are high risk investments and that some or all investment dollars= can be lost. We
    suggest you consult a professional investment advisor before purchasing = any stock. All
    opinions expressed on the featured company are the opinion of SBA. SBA r= ecommends
    that you use the information found here as an initial starting point for= conducting your
    own due diligence on the featured company in order to determine your own= personal
    opinion of the company before investing. SBA is not an investment adviso= r, financial
    planning service, or a stock brokerage firm and in accordance with such = is not offering
    investment advice or promoting any investment strategies. SBA is not off= ering securities
    for sale or solicitation of any offer to buy or sell securities. SBA has= received ten
    thousand dollars from a third party for the dissemination of this compan= y profile. Since
    we have received compensation there is an inherent conflict of interesti= ng our statements
    and opinions. Readers of this publication are cautioned not to place und= ue reliance on
    forward-looking statements, which are based on certain assumptions and e= xpectations
    involving various risks and uncertainties, that could cause results to d= iffer materially
    from those set forth in the forward-looking statements.

    Stock Buyer's Alert!

    ERHC and ExxonMobil exercise priority rights on highly sought after oil= blocks in
    Nigeria and Sao Tome's Joint Development Zone (JDZ) in the Gulf of Guine= a.

    Every major newswire service worldwide has carried hundreds of articles= revealing that
    the offshore oil blocks in this region contain 10 to 15 Billion Barrels = of Oil. The JDZ
    line-up tipped to take over upcoming blocks includes ExxonMobil, ERHC, <= br> ChevronTexaco, AmeradaHess, and Anadarko.

    License approval for the region's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is a mu= ltilateral deal
    securing blocks jointly involving ExxonMobil, ERHC, and ChevronTexaco.

    ERHC has jumped from a .25 cent stock earlier in the year to a .50 cent= stock that is
    headed for over $2 or a possible buyout from one of their JDZ multinatio= nal players.

    ERHC has been at the negotiating tables with the super-major oil compan= ies. It is
    impossible to measure the power that is carried where a stock at this pr= ice level is a
    vital part of a key union of oil giants! The top-level executives of the= JDZ oil majors
    have been finalizing the percentage awards with ERHC for official announ= cement of the
    landmark-licensing round in the first 2 weeks of June.

    The US Government is pushing for increasing development of the area to = minimize
    Middle East dependence. The eyes of the world are watching with record p= rices at the
    pump and oil busting through $40 per barrel.

    The oil companies will always make their $Billions - investors can cash= in by
    accumulating a substantial position just before earth-shattering news is= released that
    will send shockwaves through ERHC.

    Required Disclosure: Stock Buyer's Alert (SBA) cautions that small and = micro-cap
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    suggest you consult a professional investment advisor before purchasing = any stock. All
    opinions expressed on the featured company are the opinion of SBA. SBA r= ecommends
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    investment advice or promoting any investment strategies. SBA is not off= ering securities
    for sale or solicitation of any offer to buy or sell securities. SBA has= received ten
    thousand dollars from a third party for the dissemination of this compan= y profile. Since
    we have received compensation there is an inherent conflict of interesti= ng our statements
    and opinions. Readers of this publication are cautioned not to place und= ue reliance on
    forward-looking statements, which are based on certain assumptions and e= xpectations
    involving various risks and uncertainties, that could cause results to d= iffer materially
    from those set forth in the forward-looking statements.

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