From nobody Mon Jan 12 10:25:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551A71ACD18 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:25:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TUNhDQGYheq5 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qg0-x22d.google.com (mail-qg0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6A0E1A802F for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id z107so18940368qgd.4 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:25:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=r/pOT54mUt7FsNaJYT6elwHTksHriwGKmyO8J91+HKk=; b=QNVBcyLNNm1oddGclT1g8097z0RXRRiE5ncngkqVIKve9kJtKR3pcFC0Ioo8Ox2vik 2/f+8SBIIlJAoVn1AzFG/1XV266mdyI1AETxiNY3eUtkn2Myis9ZDjKkdIOnK6rSSIQZ 7d3yMeP5adN/rmKDGkpy3mXalSo00vD3G61uLvQFm0AIEMq82jbDj49NxLpJ9Y5sNQQs 3HHp7lL1gWgeUyf2qz3PHhSLNXe1X9Ru8a6XgZ4pP3s9Zod9CmwxzIgL1ycupsx03aSN ZEsXAOAseua4ypJLkwnqhn6/PGyl6z5mShv6+h6q6ea250V7eeFac1Y/t25hhGXoYvvi R1tQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.132.71 with SMTP id a7mr51494907qat.28.1421087152918; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:25:52 -0800 (PST) Sender: christopher.morrow@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.89.10 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:25:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <68EFACB32CF4464298EA2779B058889D24C2C7BA@PDDCWMBXEX503.ctl.intranet> References: <54738878.5030101@bbn.com> <68EFACB32CF4464298EA2779B058889D24C2C7BA@PDDCWMBXEX503.ctl.intranet> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 13:25:52 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Tb4If1giDUg9MVK8TAwR8Yf6LUw Message-ID: From: Christopher Morrow To: "Smith, Donald" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "sidr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sidr] New version : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-10 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 18:25:56 -0000 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Smith, Donald wrote: > Wouldn't GTSM and tcp-ao help with DOS attacks? > I think this was focused only on the uplift to bgp that bgpsec is supposed to be, so the assumption was/is that you'd already be doing 'bgp best practices'. (authors are free to correct me, as always) -chris > I would recommend they be put in in the paragraph below. > > 7.3 Mitigation of Denial of Service Attacks > > BGPSEC speakers > should implement an update validation algorithm that performs > expensive checks (e.g., signature verification) after performing less > expensive checks (e.g., syntax checks). The validation algorithm > specified in Section 5.2 was chosen so as to perform checks which are > likely to be expensive after checks that are likely to be > inexpensive. > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5082 > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5925 > > > > As examples or recommendations for the "less expensive" checks. > > > > In fact it should be GTSM, tcp-ao THEN bgpsec validation. > > > > > > > > (coffee != sleep) & (!coffee == sleep) > Donald.Smith@centurylink.com > ________________________________ > From: sidr [sidr-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Stephen Kent [kent@bbn.com] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:35 PM > To: sidr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sidr] New version : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-10 > > Wes, > > To first order I agree with your concern of this DoS vulnerability, > but with some minor clarifications. > > 1. BGPsec-signed updates are sent only between ASes that agree to > send and receive (separate choices) this signed data. So, an > attack of this sort is perpetrated only against an immediate neighbor > that agrees to accept BGPsec traffic from you. You cannot send > a BGPsec route to an arbitrary AS that it not configured for you > as a neighbor. > > 2. As you noted, an AS can generate a path only for ASes that it > holds, and thus, for which it holds private keys. So, a long path > of the sort you describe is directly traceable to the resources holder, > creating a "smoking gun" effect, for forensic purposes. > > If we can agree on a max path length, based on real world data, and > RECOMMEND that routers enforce this limit, we can mitigate the > ability of an AS to Dos it's neighbor (and others). That, combined with > the ability to identify who added all of the questionable AS entries, > might provide a deterrent to this behavior. > > Still, even with a max path length, there is the potential to add just a > few, > unnecessary ASes to every signed route that traverses an evil AS, to add to > the burden of neighbors and those beyond. Given all the folks who track > routing updates, this too will probably be noted by a bunch of folks, and > because of the signatures, there will be no doubt about the source(s). So, > here too, that may prove to be a deterrent. > > I believe someone at the meeting observed that smart implementations will > try to address this sort of concern by postponing BGPsec crypto processing > when resources get scarce. While I agree that this represents another attack > vector, the ability to identify the perpetrators may diminish the attraction > of this attack strategy. > > In any case, this is a good topic to address, perhaps in the BGPsec > security considerations section, plus a separate document that suggests > implementation notes. > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr > This communication is the property of CenturyLink and may contain > confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this > communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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That is, Section 7.3 focuses on mitigating any new denial of service possibilities that are introduced by the BGPsec extensions to BGP. I am happy to make this more clear in the text. - Matt Lepinski On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Smith, Donald > wrote: > > Wouldn't GTSM and tcp-ao help with DOS attacks? > > > > I think this was focused only on the uplift to bgp that bgpsec is > supposed to be, so the assumption was/is that you'd already be doing > 'bgp best practices'. > > (authors are free to correct me, as always) > -chris > > > I would recommend they be put in in the paragraph below. > > > > 7.3 Mitigation of Denial of Service Attacks > > > > BGPSEC speakers > > should implement an update validation algorithm that performs > > expensive checks (e.g., signature verification) after performing less > > expensive checks (e.g., syntax checks). The validation algorithm > > specified in Section 5.2 was chosen so as to perform checks which are > > likely to be expensive after checks that are likely to be > > inexpensive. > > > > > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5082 > > > > > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5925 > > > > > > > > As examples or recommendations for the "less expensive" checks. > > > > > > > > In fact it should be GTSM, tcp-ao THEN bgpsec validation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (coffee != sleep) & (!coffee == sleep) > > Donald.Smith@centurylink.com > > ________________________________ > > From: sidr [sidr-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Stephen Kent [ > kent@bbn.com] > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:35 PM > > To: sidr@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [sidr] New version : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-10 > > > > Wes, > > > > To first order I agree with your concern of this DoS vulnerability, > > but with some minor clarifications. > > > > 1. BGPsec-signed updates are sent only between ASes that agree to > > send and receive (separate choices) this signed data. So, an > > attack of this sort is perpetrated only against an immediate neighbor > > that agrees to accept BGPsec traffic from you. You cannot send > > a BGPsec route to an arbitrary AS that it not configured for you > > as a neighbor. > > > > 2. As you noted, an AS can generate a path only for ASes that it > > holds, and thus, for which it holds private keys. So, a long path > > of the sort you describe is directly traceable to the resources holder, > > creating a "smoking gun" effect, for forensic purposes. > > > > If we can agree on a max path length, based on real world data, and > > RECOMMEND that routers enforce this limit, we can mitigate the > > ability of an AS to Dos it's neighbor (and others). That, combined with > > the ability to identify who added all of the questionable AS entries, > > might provide a deterrent to this behavior. > > > > Still, even with a max path length, there is the potential to add just a > > few, > > unnecessary ASes to every signed route that traverses an evil AS, to add > to > > the burden of neighbors and those beyond. Given all the folks who track > > routing updates, this too will probably be noted by a bunch of folks, and > > because of the signatures, there will be no doubt about the source(s). > So, > > here too, that may prove to be a deterrent. > > > > I believe someone at the meeting observed that smart implementations will > > try to address this sort of concern by postponing BGPsec crypto > processing > > when resources get scarce. While I agree that this represents another > attack > > vector, the ability to identify the perpetrators may diminish the > attraction > > of this attack strategy. > > > > In any case, this is a good topic to address, perhaps in the BGPsec > > security considerations section, plus a separate document that suggests > > implementation notes. > > > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sidr mailing list > > sidr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr > > This communication is the property of CenturyLink and may contain > > confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this > > communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > > received this communication in error, please immediately notify the > sender > > by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the communication and any > > attachments. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sidr mailing list > > sidr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr > > > > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr > --001a11c3547ec93120050c79f0a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,

You are correct that was the thi= nking that went into Section 7.3. That is, Section 7.3 focuses on mitigatin= g any new denial of service possibilities that are introduced by the BGPsec= extensions to BGP.=C2=A0

I am happy to make this = more clear in the text.

- Matt Lepinski

On Mon, Jan 12, = 2015 at 1:25 PM, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Mon, N= ov 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Smith, Donald
<Donald.Smith@centurylin= k.com> wrote:
> Wouldn't GTSM and tcp-ao help with DOS attacks?
>

I think this was focused only on the uplift to bgp that bgpsec is supposed to be, so the assumption was/is that you'd already be doing 'bgp best practices'.

(authors are free to correct me, as always)
-chris

> I would recommend they be put in in the paragraph below.
>
> 7.3 Mitigation of Denial of Service Attacks
>
> BGPSEC speakers
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 should implement an update validation algorithm that perf= orms
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 expensive checks (e.g., signature verification) after per= forming less
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 expensive checks (e.g., syntax checks).=C2=A0 The validat= ion algorithm
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 specified in Section 5.2 was chosen so as to perform chec= ks which are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 likely to be expensive after checks that are likely to be=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 inexpensive.
>
>
>
> http= s://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5082
>
>
>
> http= s://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5925
>
>
>
> As examples or recommendations for the "less expensive" chec= ks.
>
>
>
> In fact it should be GTSM, tcp-ao THEN bgpsec validation.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (coffee !=3D sleep) & (!coffee =3D=3D sleep)
>=C2=A0 Donald.Smith@cen= turylink.com
> ________________________________
> From: sidr [sidr-bounces@ietf= .org] on behalf of Stephen Kent [kent@b= bn.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:35 PM
> To: sidr@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [sidr] New version : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-10 >
> Wes,
>
> To first order I agree with your concern of this DoS vulnerability, > but with some minor clarifications.
>
> 1. BGPsec-signed updates are sent only between ASes that agree to
> send and receive (separate choices) this signed data. So, an
> attack of this sort is perpetrated only against an immediate neighbor<= br> > that agrees to accept BGPsec traffic from you. You cannot send
> a BGPsec route to an arbitrary AS that it not configured for you
> as a neighbor.
>
> 2. As you noted, an AS can generate a path only for ASes that it
> holds, and thus, for which it holds private keys. So, a long path
> of the sort you describe is directly traceable to the resources holder= ,
> creating a "smoking gun" effect, for forensic purposes.
>
> If we can agree on a max path length, based on real world data, and > RECOMMEND that routers enforce this limit, we can mitigate the
> ability of an AS to Dos it's neighbor (and others). That, combined= with
> the ability to identify who added all of the questionable AS entries,<= br> > might provide a deterrent to this behavior.
>
> Still, even with a max path length, there is the potential to add just= a
> few,
> unnecessary ASes to every signed route that traverses an evil AS, to a= dd to
> the burden of neighbors and those beyond. Given all the folks who trac= k
> routing updates, this too will probably be noted by a bunch of folks, = and
> because of the signatures, there will be no doubt about the source(s).= So,
> here too, that may prove to be a deterrent.
>
> I believe someone at the meeting observed that smart implementations w= ill
> try to address this sort of concern by postponing BGPsec crypto proces= sing
> when resources get scarce. While I agree that this represents another = attack
> vector, the ability to identify the perpetrators may diminish the attr= action
> of this attack strategy.
>
> In any case, this is a good topic to address, perhaps in the BGPsec > security considerations section, plus a separate document that suggest= s
> implementation notes.
>
> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
> sidr mailing list
> sidr@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr
> This communication is the property of CenturyLink and may contain
> confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this
> communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have<= br> > received this communication in error, please immediately notify the se= nder
> by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the communication and any > attachments.
>
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walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7F628B003D; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9993F1F8035; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:15:06 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EE5E6E49-97C6-4276-A3E1-694A0C92BA0B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Sandra Murphy In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:15:06 -0500 Message-Id: <0EB90B4D-3F8F-4B69-8283-C75A3BE2283C@tislabs.com> References: <52D072F6.9030304@ops-netman.net> <52D0A0AC.5040903@ops-netman.net> To: "Montgomery, Douglas" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: Cc: sidr wg list , "draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs@tools.ietf.org" , Sandra Murphy Subject: Re: [sidr] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:15:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EE5E6E49-97C6-4276-A3E1-694A0C92BA0B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Oh, good. I was wondering what time warp I had just stepped into. Just so everyone realizes the status of the 2014 discussion - = draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-reqs was published as RFC 7353 in August 2014. --Sandy On Jan 12, 2015, at 7:09 PM, "Montgomery, Douglas" = wrote: > Terribly sorry about that =85 ignore the post below. >=20 > An odd search / view through my mailbox made me think this was a = recent > comment. >=20 > I was not trying to resurrect the discussion below. >=20 > Sorry about that. >=20 > dougm > =97=20 > Doug Montgomery, Mgr Internet & Scalable Systems Research @ = NIST/ITL/ANTD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 1/12/15, 7:02 PM, "Montgomery, Douglas" wrote: >=20 >> I doubt that using such vague / loose terms as =93business = relationship >> conformance=94 helps matters. >>=20 >> Actually 3.22 is a bit loose in the use of the word =93intended=94. >>=20 >> "3.22 A BGPsec design SHOULD NOT presume to know the intent of the >> originator of a NLRI, nor that of any AS on the AS Path, other >> than that they intended to pass it to the next AS in the = Path.=94 >>=20 >>=20 >> I highly suspect that the same misconfigurations that can result in = route >> leaks today, could result in BGPsec signed route leaks (I.e., not = what was >> intended) tomorrow. >>=20 >>=20 >> One might try the following for 3.22 to both fix the above and = address >> Wes=92s concerns. >>=20 >> 3.22 A BGPsec design SHOULD NOT presume to know the intent of the >> originator of a NLRI, nor that of any AS on the AS Path, other >> than that they announced the NLRI explicitly to the next AS in the = Path. >> In particular there is no BGPsec requirement that the PATH for a = given >> NLRI=20 >> is consistent with the set of local routing or filtering policies of = the >> sender,=20 >> receiver or any AS along the PATH." >>=20 >> That might kill two birds =85 or scare the whole flock from the = trees. >> dougm >> =97=20 >> Doug Montgomery, Mgr Internet & Scalable Systems Research @ = NIST/ITL/ANTD >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 1/24/14, 10:04 AM, "Warren Kumari" wrote: >>=20 >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM, George, Wes = >>> wrote: >>>> I=92ve reviewed, it=92s mostly ready, minor comments: >>>>=20 >>>> I=92m not happy with this text in the intro: =93issues of business >>>> relationship conformance, of which routing 'leaks' are a subset, >>>> while quite important to operators (as are many other things), = are >>>> not security issues per se, and are outside the scope of this >>>> document.=94 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Would simply: >>> "issues of business relationship conformance (of which routing = 'leaks' >>> are a subset), while important to operators, are outside the scope = of >>> this document.=94 >>>=20 >>> cover things well enough? >>>=20 >>>> Let me be clear up front, my issue is *not* that these are declared = out >>>> of >>>> scope, since my comments on the threats document seemed to be >>>> interpreted >>>> otherwise. >>>>=20 >>>> My issue with this text is the reason it provides as to why they=92re= >>>> considered out of scope. I don=92t think that it=92s entirely = accurate to >>>> assert that route leaks are not security issues. While not all = route >>>> leaks >>>> are security issues, some are. It would be more accurate to reflect = the >>>> discussion that led us to the conclusion that we can=92t secure = them >>>> because >>>> we don=92t know what =93them=94 is yet, and are awaiting GROW to = define them >>>> in >>>> such a way so that we can evaluate if it=92s even possible to = secure them >>>> in >>>> this framework. That may be a longer discussion that doesn=92t = belong in >>>> the >>>> intro, I don=92t know. >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I suspect it is. It somewhat seems like a non-terminating = discussion.... >>>=20 >>> W >>>> Also I think the parenthetical =93as are many other things" is >>>> unnecessary >>>> and clunky. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>>=20 >>>> Wes >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 1/10/14, 8:38 PM, "Chris Morrow" wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Working Group Folken, >>>>> Today starts a WGLC for the subject draft: >>>>> >>>>>=20 >>>>> Abstract: >>>>> This document describes requirements for a BGP security protocol >>>>> design to provide cryptographic assurance that the origin AS had = the >>>>> right to announce the prefix and to provide assurance of the AS = Path >>>>> of the announcement. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Please have a read-through and send comments at the authors + >>>>> sidr@ietf.org mailing list. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This WGLC completes in 1,209,600 seconds, or 20,160 minutes. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks! >>>>>=20 >>>>> -chris >>>>> co-chair >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sidr mailing list >>>>> sidr@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner = Cable >>>> proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or = subject >>>> to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. 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A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now = on 28 January. Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a = working group work item AND whether you will participate in the = discussion. Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, = not just absence of objection, so speak up. --Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs --Apple-Mail=_3BB9A37B-540E-46E9-A83B-B34A7F603926 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUttPNAAoJEHplpQeet0IZ3K0QAJuI3Zmz0pWylv2Cj7/BsbQB 0uPU7W3hRm0h1GCj2aV01kzspnLGMVv80u5983em7MMsKSmgxceQt3TTAWU5cQjT Mgm7qt7Csa6bgMhgkreIv6ko1LNj0a9ZLychPYkdKsRQzzzrMFST6uyd9PGDMjGy Qm/c1m9yOOpg2pfxiWBw97/1C/eHnxAUbCu24xh26Ugc+62uQHgHhFmrcO67EFLH zW1o1nH5rnfevhG5S+GAccxfmYCIoPTbWvi/OFg0setprVllwqkJjHq9VOICYYHB Rd+kDjnG0mcFZLwaOJ5b2gflgqnzOp1jrabhSHOupaxcxRTrEsz8cOpGb1yCe5HZ w08MBiaJ7sn9WCBwBjyXt5Zq1ogzh39LKxKWPrPfuDJlMXQOYmjuPygcU5Kq8zDi sKrc1PO4coPXCNncRLnD8Nwog+1lEsBdcT+ZuBHd/6bxyahoe+Z91nmam9R1JbQJ r+a49XYzQJ3Fd23mh5M7pZbSVj9obKMzffSpIdpvyWHpUZL+pLWYGvy2AeBgdU9Z nL3wjyXV4il/j5TDaTChldcFpE2HMi98Tj0KMtvwl8DkMexynyW2KvzRlzBHcIKK olDafTjd0dhc2cRDK45ZB+Wh5Xp7iTCi2Uc38Aik97tHqf1f4Gq7xK8v00AUPVIH 4RjUGNeVCyqKd4m96bbd =3zkb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_3BB9A37B-540E-46E9-A83B-B34A7F603926-- From nobody Thu Jan 15 12:12:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4021B32D7 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 12:12:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yyxHfRoAkRFH for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 12:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.arin.net (smtp2.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869C01B32D4 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 12:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 174922143BB; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from chaedge01.corp.arin.net (chaedge01.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0DA2143A3; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHACAS01.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.107) by chaedge01.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.118) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.210.2; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:15:09 -0500 Received: from CHAMBX01.corp.arin.net ([fe80::1cef:1d7:cca9:5953]) by CHACAS01.corp.arin.net ([fe80::a98b:1e52:e85a:5979%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:12:00 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: Sandra Murphy Thread-Topic: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 Thread-Index: AQHQMDoXiVz2N0STYEWS2hW1uj5DAJzB8maA Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:11:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.0.57] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: sidr wg list Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:12:03 -0000 > On Jan 14, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote: > Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a work= ing group work item AND whether you will participate in the discussion. I support the adoption of this document as a working group item, and will p= articipate in the discussion. -andy= From nobody Thu Jan 15 15:49:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DB41A1B91 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:49:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EPNYHttomED0 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-2.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93DEF1A909E for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.847.32; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:49:40 -0800 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.0847.030; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:49:40 -0800 From: Terry Manderson To: Sandra Murphy , sidr wg list Thread-Topic: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 Thread-Index: AQHQMR3tzOd7Z5dXFUCgcQ2Sxni3Ng== Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 23:49:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3504246577_86132793" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 23:49:44 -0000 --B_3504246577_86132793 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I support adoption of the draft as a WG item and will certainly be involved in the review and discussion. Cheers Terry On 15/01/2015 6:38 am, "Sandra Murphy" wrote: >The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested >working group adoption. > >A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now on >28 January. > >Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a >working group work item AND whether you will participate in the >discussion. > >Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, >not just absence of objection, so speak up. > >--Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs --B_3504246577_86132793 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIITvAYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIITrTCCE6kCAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC EYgwggcDMIIF66ADAgECAhAPz2lJUZsAlD35l4oJxf0FMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMGIxCzAJ BgNVBAYTAlVTMRUwEwYDVQQKEwxEaWdpQ2VydCBJbmMxGTAXBgNVBAsTEHd3dy5kaWdpY2Vy 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X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0E01A90AB; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:59:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HctOMTxKx8tZ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D091A90D0; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:59:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150116005923.1641.99503.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:59:23 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: sidr@ietf.org Subject: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview-06.txt X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 00:59:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : An Overview of BGPsec Authors : Matt Lepinski Sean Turner Filename : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview-06.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2015-01-15 Abstract: This document provides an overview of a security extension to the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) referred to as BGPsec. BGPsec improves security for BGP routing. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This update contains a number of small changes to make this document consistent with the rest of the document suite (particularly the bgpsec-protocol draft). Additionally, this draft now includes pointers to the AS Migration document in appropriate places. - Matt Lepinski ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 7:59 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview-06.txt To: Matt Lepinski , Sean Turner A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview-06.txt has been successfully submitted by Matt Lepinski and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview Revision: 06 Title: An Overview of BGPsec Document date: 2015-01-15 Group: sidr Pages: 10 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview-06.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview-06 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-overview-06 Abstract: This document provides an overview of a security extension to the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) referred to as BGPsec. BGPsec improves security for BGP routing. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --047d7b5d94fb500b23050cba8247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just posted a new version of the BGPsec Overview do= cument. This update contains a number of small changes to make this documen= t consistent with the rest of the document suite (particularly the bgpsec-p= rotocol draft). Additionally, this draft now includes pointers to the AS Mi= gration document in appropriate places.

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Martinez" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sandra Murphy , sidr wg list References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: carlos@lacnic.net List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:57:16 -0000 I have read the document, support its adoption and will participate in future discussions and provide review. regards -Carlos On 1/14/15 6:38 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote: > The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested working group adoption. > > A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now on 28 January. > > Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a working group work item AND whether you will participate in the discussion. > > Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, not just absence of objection, so speak up. > > --Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs > > > > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr > From nobody Fri Jan 16 11:08:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F451B2A4A for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:08:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0wfsu735PeoE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.mu.afrinic.net (smtp.afrinic.net [IPv6:2001:43f8:90:606::169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 957561B2A55 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [196.192.13.109] (port=24664 helo=[10.70.20.209]) by smtp.mu.afrinic.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1YCCFC-0001aN-Io; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:07:43 +0000 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----4BBOHR051KXDQ7U52X2EQQN3GEN4B1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "neriah@afrinic.net" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:07:35 +0400 To: Andy Newton ,Sandra Murphy Message-ID: <7A1259DD-3877-4B65-A880-85B0D5D79F2E@afrinic.net> Archived-At: Cc: sidr wg list Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:08:36 -0000 ------4BBOHR051KXDQ7U52X2EQQN3GEN4B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have read and support adoption=2E Neriah On January 16, 2015 12:11:59 AM GMT+04:00, Andy Newton w= rote: > > >> On Jan 14, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote: >> Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a >working group work item AND whether you will participate in the >discussion=2E > > >I support the adoption of this document as a working group item, and >will participate in the discussion=2E > >-andy >_______________________________________________ >sidr mailing list >sidr@ietf=2Eorg >https://www=2Eietf=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/sidr --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------4BBOHR051KXDQ7U52X2EQQN3GEN4B1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have read and support adoption=2E
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On January 16, 2015 12:11:59 AM G= MT+04:00, Andy Newton <andy@arin=2Enet> wrote:


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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------4BBOHR051KXDQ7U52X2EQQN3GEN4B1-- From nobody Sun Jan 18 06:28:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6251B29EE for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:28:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LdfVaH1_ywOD for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0115.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84BA51B29EF for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from DM2PR09MB0302.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (25.160.96.147) by DM2PR09MB0303.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (25.160.96.148) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.59.20; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:28:29 +0000 Received: from DM2PR09MB0302.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.96.147]) by DM2PR09MB0302.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.96.147]) with mapi id 15.01.0059.007; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:28:29 +0000 From: "Sriram, Kotikalapudi" To: Sandra Murphy Thread-Topic: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 Thread-Index: AQHQMP+L1hUxvdtKu0+4xuxMg2KPNZzDHWCAgALPiv8= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:28:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1421591307695.63452@nist.gov> References: , <7A1259DD-3877-4B65-A880-85B0D5D79F2E@afrinic.net> In-Reply-To: <7A1259DD-3877-4B65-A880-85B0D5D79F2E@afrinic.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [129.6.219.120] authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov; x-dmarcaction-test: None x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(3005004);SRVR:DM2PR09MB0303; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR09MB0303; x-forefront-prvs: 046060344D x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(189002)(199003)(97736003)(106116001)(86362001)(36756003)(19617315012)(230783001)(117636001)(19580395003)(106356001)(54356999)(105586002)(50986999)(76176999)(92566002)(64706001)(2656002)(77156002)(62966003)(110136001)(2900100001)(19627405001)(87936001)(15975445007)(102836002)(68736005)(66066001)(15395725005)(16236675004)(99286002)(101416001)(122556002)(46102003)(40100003)(2950100001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR09MB0303; H:DM2PR09MB0302.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: nist.gov does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_142159130769563452nistgov_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nist.gov X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Jan 2015 14:28:28.1840 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 2ab5d82f-d8fa-4797-a93e-054655c61dec X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM2PR09MB0303 Archived-At: Cc: sidr wg list Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:28:34 -0000 --_000_142159130769563452nistgov_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have read and I support adoption. When authors spin a WG draft version (assuming it would be accepted as a WG= draft), it would be good if the following suggestions can be given consideration: 1. Include one short paragraph just to discuss key disadvantages of rsync a= nd how the delta protocol avoids or overcomes the same. 2. Possible to say something about the relevance of or comparison with Aspera (since they make big performance improvement claims over rsync etc.)= ? http://asperasoft.com/resources/benchmarks/ http://asperasoft.com/performance-calculator/ 3. I am separately emailing the authors a marked up MS word copy of the doc= ument with some other minor comments and pointing out some typos, etc. Sriram --_000_142159130769563452nistgov_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have read and I support adoption.


When authors spin a WG draft version (assuming it wo= uld be accepted as a WG draft),

it would be good if the following suggestions can be given consideration= :


1. Include one short paragraph just to discuss key disadvantages of rsyn= c and

how the delta protocol avoids or overcomes the same.


2. Possible to say something about the relevance of or comparison w= ith

Aspera (since they make big performance improvement claims over rsync et= c.)?

http://asperasoft.com/resources/benchmarks/

http://asperasoft.c= om/performance-calculator/


3. I am separately emailing the authors a marked up MS word co= py of the document

with some other minor comments and pointing out some typo= s, etc.


Sriram




--_000_142159130769563452nistgov_-- From nobody Sun Jan 18 16:01:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCD91A8A08 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:01:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sy1BdSx9A6b1 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-x22f.google.com (mail-ob0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B7791A8A03 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id wp4so5379476obc.6 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:01:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UzQc7O0TPW60cYqYIQcVAQGG/PqcCCNzSRNp8YekDxk=; b=gRa7fTl5W/IoeIM39F0dX31+8QkrIiezWp3KaU0uAUvWIkpi4tknz8cozYySIX0S+o 6GgdVTf2MSHYMJH45V9+XM0BOr6KNAhrJ9KkzHT5SIl5KdH4Lpukhf872yad/vSbkimx K1j6amyq14DJiPfkU4JwkttQYoekae7cxBjwfwPB9TDH+/AI784ntlGTwoByfBW7hSNW ETE0rtJ+jC54A1rhgTC7nxNPiKHMPjz/AQgHc8wV62hA1xZMxWjKJOznpOFkgWuBE6nT +a1S3E0cOiHSNeqbIEUh14SHMTYmie86IsCL70d7Kh7jfdbxi09BiJBFvkc+gcCSLdCe Pa5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.135.3 with SMTP id po3mr255508oeb.58.1421625695742; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.135.17 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:01:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:01:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Matthew Lepinski To: Sandra Murphy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b41890b992f6e050cf60629 Archived-At: Cc: sidr wg list Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 00:01:38 -0000 --047d7b41890b992f6e050cf60629 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I read the -02 version (haven't gotten around yet to looking at the changes made in the -03 version). However, this is good work and an alternate delivery mechanism for RPKI data is a very reasonable mechanism for SIDR to work on. I believe that RSYNC will work fine for quite a while. However, at some point it will be desire-able to transition to an alternative delivery mechanism and the technical direction the the authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol appears to be a good one. If the working group adopts this document, I would be willing to review future versions. - Matt Lepinski On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote: > The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested > working group adoption. > > A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now on > 28 January. > > Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a > working group work item AND whether you will participate in the discussion. > > Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, > not just absence of objection, so speak up. > > --Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs > > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr > > --047d7b41890b992f6e050cf60629 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I read the -0= 2 version (haven't gotten around yet to looking at the changes made in = the -03 version). However, this is good work and an alternate delivery mech= anism for RPKI data is a very reasonable mechanism for SIDR to work on. I b= elieve that RSYNC will work fine for quite a while. However, at some point = it will be desire-able to transition to an alternative delivery mechanism a= nd the technical direction the the authors of=C2=A0draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol appears to be a good one.=C2=A0=

If the working group ad= opts this document, I would be willing to review future versions.

- Matt Lepinski

On Wed, Ja= n 14, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sandra Murphy <sandy@tislabs.com> wro= te:
The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sid= r-delta-protocol-03 have requested working group adoption.

A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now on 2= 8 January.

Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a workin= g group work item AND whether you will participate in the discussion.

Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, no= t just absence of objection, so speak up.

--Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs

_______________________________________________
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--047d7b41890b992f6e050cf60629-- From nobody Sun Jan 18 23:54:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CE21AD1EC for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 23:54:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AcIkSENWzZEe for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 23:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nx-mailgw.apnic.net (nx-mailgw.apnic.net [IPv6:2001:dd8:9:801::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6C991ACEBD for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <43DF17EDDF77784483B0E6EDC91E8D01@apnic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 07:54:19 -0000 I support adoption, I'll participate in discussion, and I hope to be at least peripherally involved in implementation and operational experience. --=20 bje On 15/01/2015 6:38 am, "Sandra Murphy" wrote: >The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested >working group adoption. > >A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now on >28 January. > >Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a >working group work item AND whether you will participate in the >discussion. > >Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, >not just absence of objection, so speak up. > >--Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs From nobody Mon Jan 19 00:12:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426711AD1BF for ; 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charset=UTF-8 I'm in favour of this work getting adoption and discussion. I've followed the drafts. I think my skepticisms around repository consistency and sync in general aren't reasons not to have this work in the WG, and the questions I have in my mind about atomicity, update and how the serial/difference mechanism copes with large flat spaces being changed will get covered off in WG discussion. -George On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote: > The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested > working group adoption. > > A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now on > 28 January. > > Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a > working group work item AND whether you will participate in the discussion. > > Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, > not just absence of objection, so speak up. > > --Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs > > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr > > --001a1133fea46d7b86050cfce1fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm in favour of this work getting adoption and discus= sion. I've followed the drafts.

I think my skepticis= ms around repository consistency and sync in general aren't reasons not= to have this work in the WG, and the questions I have in my mind about ato= micity, update and how the serial/difference mechanism copes with large fla= t spaces being changed will get covered off in WG discussion.
-George

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Sandra Murphy <sandy@t= islabs.com> wrote:
The auth= ors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested working gro= up adoption.

A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now on 2= 8 January.

Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a workin= g group work item AND whether you will participate in the discussion.

Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, no= t just absence of objection, so speak up.

--Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs

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--001a1133fea46d7b86050cfce1fd-- From nobody Mon Jan 19 16:50:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B491ACE15; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B9QqLO8nzdKP; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C44C1ACDEB; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:49:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150120004957.18013.82716.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:49:57 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: sidr@ietf.org Subject: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11.txt X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 00:49:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGPsec Protocol Specification Author : Matthew Lepinski Filename : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2015-01-19 Abstract: This document describes BGPsec, an extension to the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) that provides security for the path of autonomous systems through which a BGP update message passes. BGPsec is implemented via a new optional non-transitive BGP path attribute that carries a digital signature produced by each autonomous system that propagates the update message. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jan 19 16:50:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEEA1B2D56 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:50:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6A9URFBsUBPE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-x22b.google.com (mail-oi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 953661B2C5E for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id z81so1472865oif.2 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:50:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=r88llEKUAR97THQkKuUc92EGccm3wMWxyB6Wpr0gdwc=; b=GPPCCL7QZi4IiFAq5wLA4CEm4KW/hrhCWCFZc1Rmzd25kdgzO1AcIU0svISblkVm1M M6li0YOC4sldsE/ErD8GPmohtIZDJTkA51hyCLnuekLFpYSj6crrzZjX/TfgT+/sLAen d4ZhfKxfYKALe89lb5N/2nikCIgWDThNSpnAEs2k00YI3H+WbdOqVJX0VGMognhPmQeX 8AQC46GmVLBg30uqeczKzNdET7W8jN2iAaB3Yp0MBhPOmWluDCYjM8h93cjt2d3OUlKO 28em1bHpQgp4S/06zAO/j9DHD+jdT6pNUok1yIcKJFvjU9KAE+Gz8ilokaMNak4xJqcb evvQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.19.132 with SMTP id 4mr18877960oit.10.1421715003568; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.135.17 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:50:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:50:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: Matthew Lepinski To: "sidr@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113dfb78c276a5050d0ad126 Archived-At: Subject: [sidr] New Version: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 00:50:07 -0000 --001a113dfb78c276a5050d0ad126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have just submitted a new version of the BGPsec protocol document. This version includes text changes to improve the security considerations section of the document as well as review comments based on the previous version of the document. (In particular, many thanks to Sriram -- for his very thorough review -- and to everyone who made helpful comments on the list.) Also, to make this document consistent with other documents in the document suite, this document now specifies a BGPsec_Path attribute instead of a BGPSEC_Path attribute. ==================== One minor issue that arose in making these revisions: Consider the case where you are creating a new update message somewhere within your AS (to originate a route to one of your own prefixes) and you are sending this new update message via iBGP to an internal peer. The document currently says that you omit the Secure_Path attribute (that is, the BGPsec_Path attribute is added by your edge router ... since the signature depends on the eBGP peer to whom an update is being sent). An alternative would be to include an 'empty' BGPsec_Path attribute ... that is, one with zero Secure_Path segments and zero Signature segments. If you think sending an empty BGPsec_Path is better than omitting the BGPsec_Path, please speak up now. (Both approaches seem perfectly fine to me.) --001a113dfb78c276a5050d0ad126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have just submitted a new version of the BGPsec protocol= document. This version includes text changes to improve the security consi= derations section of the document as well as review comments based on the p= revious version of the document. (In particular, many thanks to Sriram -- f= or his very =C2=A0thorough review -- and to everyone who made helpful comme= nts on the list.) Also, to make this document consistent with other documen= ts in the document suite, this document now specifies a BGPsec_Path attribu= te instead of a BGPSEC_Path attribute.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
One minor issue tha= t arose in making these revisions:

Consider the ca= se where you are creating a new update message somewhere within your AS (to= originate a route to one of your own prefixes) and you are sending this ne= w update message via iBGP to an internal peer. The document currently says = that you omit the Secure_Path attribute (that is, the BGPsec_Path attribute= is added by your edge router ... since the signature depends on the eBGP p= eer to whom an update is being sent).=C2=A0

An alt= ernative would be to include an 'empty' BGPsec_Path attribute ... t= hat is, one with zero Secure_Path segments and zero Signature segments.

If you think sending an empty BGPsec_Path is better t= han omitting the BGPsec_Path, please speak up now. (Both approaches seem pe= rfectly fine to me.)

=C2=A0
--001a113dfb78c276a5050d0ad126-- From nobody Mon Jan 19 21:37:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F36D1AD079 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 21:37:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.449 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xBSOZBg3HvBD for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 21:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.zdns.cn (smtp.knet.cn [202.173.10.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AD3D71AD065 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 21:37:14 -0800 (PST) X-TM-DID: 82843e7a972ea7dfb73c9018ba7fa191 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) From: Declan Ma In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 13:36:51 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5A0286CC-D469-46D9-B5B2-EBB2DE122297@zdns.cn> References: To: Sandra Murphy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) Archived-At: Cc: sidr wg list Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 05:37:19 -0000 I support the adoption of this draft as a working group item.=20 Declan Ma ZDNS Ltd. 4, South 4th Street, Zhongguancun,=20 Haidian, Beijing 100190, China > =D4=DA 2015=C4=EA1=D4=C215=C8=D5=A3=AC=C9=CF=CE=E74:38=A3=ACSandra = Murphy =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA >=20 > The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have = requested working group adoption. >=20 > A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now = on 28 January. >=20 > Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a = working group work item AND whether you will participate in the = discussion. >=20 > Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs = responses, not just absence of objection, so speak up. >=20 > --Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr From nobody Mon Jan 19 22:33:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1C91B2D63 for ; 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charset=UTF-8 I support this draft as a working group item and will participate in the discussion. -- Amreesh Phokeer On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Sandra Murphy wrote: > The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested > working group adoption. > > A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now on > 28 January. > > Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a > working group work item AND whether you will participate in the discussion. > > Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, > not just absence of objection, so speak up. > > --Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs > > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr > > -- Amreesh Phokeer --001a113417ccf06979050d0f9d26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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The authors of draft-tbruijnzeel= s-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested working group adoption.

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Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a workin= g group work item AND whether you will participate in the discussion.

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--001a113417ccf06979050d0f9d26-- From nobody Mon Jan 19 23:11:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB4B1ACEE3 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 23:11:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pmAs0TmSKH5o for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 23:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [198.180.150.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 433611ACE69 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 23:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YDSxw-0005Xr-83; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 07:11:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:11:09 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Matthew Lepinski In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Cc: sidr wg list Subject: Re: [sidr] New Version: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 07:11:18 -0000 > One minor issue that arose in making these revisions: > > Consider the case where you are creating a new update message somewhere > within your AS (to originate a route to one of your own prefixes) and you > are sending this new update message via iBGP to an internal peer. The > document currently says that you omit the Secure_Path attribute (that is, > the BGPsec_Path attribute is added by your edge router ... since the > signature depends on the eBGP peer to whom an update is being sent). > > An alternative would be to include an 'empty' BGPsec_Path attribute ... > that is, one with zero Secure_Path segments and zero Signature segments. > > If you think sending an empty BGPsec_Path is better than omitting the > BGPsec_Path, please speak up now. (Both approaches seem perfectly fine to > me.) the iBGPsec originator creates an empty BGPsec_Path and sends the update to o whether the iBGPsec speaker might send a BGPsec_Path to a iBGP peer is a per-peer decision determined at BGP_OPEN. o an eBGP edge which has >0 peers who do not speak BGPsec has to strip to non-speakers, which may be pretty common in early daze. o iBGP originators which are not BGPsec enabled will need the eBGPsec edge to create the BGPsec_Path anyway. where's the win? randy From nobody Wed Jan 21 15:29:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E935A1A19E4; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:29:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iheFm2YNI03i; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170EC1A8A78; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:29:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150121232915.14848.10276.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:29:15 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: sidr@ietf.org Subject: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles-10.txt X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:29:18 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Profile for BGPSEC Router Certificates, Certificate Revocation Lists, and Certification Requests Authors : Mark Reynolds Sean Turner Steve Kent Filename : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles-10.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2015-01-21 Abstract: This document defines a standard profile for X.509 certificates for the purposes of supporting validation of Autonomous System (AS) paths in the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP), as part of an extension to that protocol known as BGPSEC. BGP is a critical component for the proper operation of the Internet as a whole. The BGPSEC protocol is under development as a component to address the requirement to provide security for the BGP protocol. The goal of BGPSEC is to design a protocol for full AS path validation based on the use of strong cryptographic primitives. The end-entity (EE) certificates specified by this profile are issued under Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Certification Authority (CA) certificates, containing the AS Identifier Delegation extension, to routers within the Autonomous System (AS) or ASes. The certificate asserts that the router(s) holding the private key are authorized to send out secure route advertisements on behalf of the specified AS(es). This document also profiles the Certificate Revocation List (CRL), profiles the format of certification requests, and specifies Relying Party certificate path validation procedures. The document extends the RPKI; therefore, this documents updates the RPKI Resource Certificates Profile (RFC 6487). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jan 21 15:29:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3C71A8A78; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:29:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qZmNs_0ldwyN; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E734E1A8A7E; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:29:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150121232922.10813.75611.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:29:22 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: sidr@ietf.org Subject: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs-09.txt X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:29:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP Algorithms, Key Formats, & Signature Formats Author : Sean Turner Filename : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs-09.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2015-01-21 Abstract: This document specifies the algorithms, algorithms' parameters, asymmetric key formats, asymmetric key size and signature format used in BGPSEC (Border Gateway Protocol Security). This document updates the Profile for Algorithms and Key Sizes for use in the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RFC 6485). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jan 21 15:32:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D7E1A1A3E for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:32:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n0I0e7yFjYHK for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway02.websitewelcome.com (gateway02.websitewelcome.com [67.18.36.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C0941A1A38 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 11D8C2D4865F2; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:32:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator3286.hostgator.com (gator3286.hostgator.com [198.57.247.250]) by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AE72D4865A7 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:32:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from [96.231.226.60] (port=53435 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by gator3286.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YE4ki-0006MO-F8 for sidr@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:32:00 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: <20150121232915.14848.10276.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:31:58 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20150121232915.14848.10276.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: sidr wg list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3286.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ieca.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 96.231.226.60 X-Exim-ID: 1YE4ki-0006MO-F8 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.1.2]) [96.231.226.60]:53435 X-Source-Auth: sean.turner@ieca.com X-Email-Count: 7 X-Source-Cap: ZG9tbWdyNDg7ZG9tbWdyNDg7Z2F0b3IzMjg2Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles-10.txt X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:32:03 -0000 This is just a keep alive version. spt On Jan 21, 2015, at 18:29, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working = Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : A Profile for BGPSEC Router Certificates, = Certificate Revocation Lists, and Certification Requests > Authors : Mark Reynolds > Sean Turner > Steve Kent > Filename : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles-10.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2015-01-21 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines a standard profile for X.509 certificates for > the purposes of supporting validation of Autonomous System (AS) = paths > in the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP), as part of an extension to = that > protocol known as BGPSEC. BGP is a critical component for the = proper > operation of the Internet as a whole. The BGPSEC protocol is under > development as a component to address the requirement to provide > security for the BGP protocol. The goal of BGPSEC is to design a > protocol for full AS path validation based on the use of strong > cryptographic primitives. The end-entity (EE) certificates = specified > by this profile are issued under Resource Public Key Infrastructure > (RPKI) Certification Authority (CA) certificates, containing the AS > Identifier Delegation extension, to routers within the Autonomous > System (AS) or ASes. The certificate asserts that the router(s) > holding the private key are authorized to send out secure route > advertisements on behalf of the specified AS(es). This document = also > profiles the Certificate Revocation List (CRL), profiles the format > of certification requests, and specifies Relying Party certificate > path validation procedures. The document extends the RPKI; > therefore, this documents updates the RPKI Resource Certificates > Profile (RFC 6487). >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles-10 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-pki-profiles-10 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Wed Jan 21 15:32:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EBD1A1A50 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:32:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wnxKR1VQGgcK for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway03.websitewelcome.com (gateway03.websitewelcome.com [67.18.34.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6754B1A19E4 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by gateway03.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id F3BA7DF8D560A; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:32:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator3286.hostgator.com (gator3286.hostgator.com [198.57.247.250]) by gateway03.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DB6DF8D55E7 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:32:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from [96.231.226.60] (port=53435 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by gator3286.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YE4ks-0006MO-Ep for sidr@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:32:10 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: <20150121232922.10813.75611.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:32:09 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2D04DF88-D312-46E6-A0A6-CF57F94857AD@ieca.com> References: <20150121232922.10813.75611.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: sidr wg list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3286.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ieca.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 96.231.226.60 X-Exim-ID: 1YE4ks-0006MO-Ep X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.1.2]) [96.231.226.60]:53435 X-Source-Auth: sean.turner@ieca.com X-Email-Count: 8 X-Source-Cap: ZG9tbWdyNDg7ZG9tbWdyNDg7Z2F0b3IzMjg2Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs-09.txt X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:32:13 -0000 This is just a keep alive version. spt On Jan 21, 2015, at 18:29, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working = Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : BGP Algorithms, Key Formats, & Signature = Formats > Author : Sean Turner > Filename : draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs-09.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2015-01-21 >=20 > Abstract: > This document specifies the algorithms, algorithms' parameters, > asymmetric key formats, asymmetric key size and signature format = used > in BGPSEC (Border Gateway Protocol Security). This document updates > the Profile for Algorithms and Key Sizes for use in the Resource > Public Key Infrastructure (RFC 6485). >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs-09 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-algs-09 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Wed Jan 21 15:42:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321F41A1A3E; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:42:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S6sG_oPGnYzM; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91861A1A48; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:42:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150121234210.22491.54306.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:42:10 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: sidr@ietf.org Subject: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-08.txt X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:42:12 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Router Keying for BGPsec Authors : Sean Turner Keyur Patel Randy Bush Filename : draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-08.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2015-01-21 Abstract: BGPsec-speaking routers are provisioned with private keys to sign BGP messages; the corresponding public keys are published in the global RPKI (Resource Public Key Infrastructure) thereby enabling verification of BGPsec messages. This document describes two ways of provisioning the public-private key-pairs: router-driven and operator-driven. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jan 21 15:47:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F107F1A009B for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:47:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5h_MItODG6HM for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway15.websitewelcome.com (gateway15.websitewelcome.com [67.18.70.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDF9A1A8AC0 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 51C62BA15571D; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:47:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator3286.hostgator.com (gator3286.hostgator.com [198.57.247.250]) by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39473BA1556CD for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:47:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from [96.231.226.60] (port=53654 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by gator3286.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YE4zc-0005q0-Kx for sidr@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:47:24 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: <20150121234210.22491.54306.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:47:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5478F9B5-71E1-4B1F-8DB7-0F45D569CB02@ieca.com> References: <20150121234210.22491.54306.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: sidr wg list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3286.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ieca.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 96.231.226.60 X-Exim-ID: 1YE4zc-0005q0-Kx X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.1.2]) [96.231.226.60]:53654 X-Source-Auth: sean.turner@ieca.com X-Email-Count: 9 X-Source-Cap: ZG9tbWdyNDg7ZG9tbWdyNDg7Z2F0b3IzMjg2Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-08.txt X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:47:27 -0000 Just a keep alive version. spt On Jan 21, 2015, at 18:42, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working = Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Router Keying for BGPsec > Authors : Sean Turner > Keyur Patel > Randy Bush > Filename : draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-08.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2015-01-21 >=20 > Abstract: > BGPsec-speaking routers are provisioned with private keys to sign = BGP > messages; the corresponding public keys are published in the global > RPKI (Resource Public Key Infrastructure) thereby enabling > verification of BGPsec messages. This document describes two ways = of > provisioning the public-private key-pairs: router-driven and > operator-driven. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-08 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-08 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Wed Jan 21 15:49:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708A01A009B for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:49:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.167 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.167 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cxSPR3HM1ito for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway04.websitewelcome.com (gateway04.websitewelcome.com [67.18.144.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A2651A0081 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by gateway04.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id C33AAEA83A962; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:49:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator3286.hostgator.com (gator3286.hostgator.com [198.57.247.250]) by gateway04.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28B0EA83A944 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:49:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from [96.231.226.60] (port=53657 helo=[192.168.1.2]) by gator3286.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YE51E-0007Ph-Vw; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:49:05 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:49:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7A7BAA1E-298F-4DF2-91B9-C8BB2C7E4F37@ieca.com> References: To: Sandra Murphy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3286.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ieca.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 96.231.226.60 X-Exim-ID: 1YE51E-0007Ph-Vw X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.1.2]) [96.231.226.60]:53657 X-Source-Auth: sean.turner@ieca.com X-Email-Count: 10 X-Source-Cap: ZG9tbWdyNDg7ZG9tbWdyNDg7Z2F0b3IzMjg2Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Archived-At: Cc: sidr wg list Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:49:07 -0000 On Jan 14, 2015, at 15:38, Sandra Murphy wrote: > Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a = working group work item AND whether you will participate in the = discussion. Support adoption and will participate. spt= From nobody Thu Jan 22 07:44:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19161A1AD0 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:43:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.625 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.625 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ui8qsuk1tzbD for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdcipgw02.twcable.com (cdcipgw02.twcable.com [165.237.91.111]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AC61A1AC9 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:43:55 -0800 (PST) X-SENDER-IP: 10.136.163.13 X-SENDER-REPUTATION: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,449,1418101200"; d="scan'208";a="210146638" Received: from unknown (HELO PRVPEXHUB04.corp.twcable.com) ([10.136.163.13]) by cdcipgw02.twcable.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 22 Jan 2015 10:36:16 -0500 Received: from PRVPEXVS10.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.41]) by PRVPEXHUB04.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.13]) with mapi; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 10:43:54 -0500 From: "George, Wes" To: Sandra Murphy , sidr wg list Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 10:43:51 -0500 Thread-Topic: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 Thread-Index: AdA2Wjl83l5cci2bS86UMY0U7i45BA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:44:00 -0000 QXMgb25lIG9mIHRoZSBmb2xrcyB0aGF0IGhhcyBiZWVuIHJhdGhlciBwdWJsaWNseSBwb2tpbmcg YXQgcnN5bmMncw0KbGltaXRhdGlvbnMgYXMgb25lIG9mIHRoZSB0aGluZ3MgYmxvY2tpbmcgbXkg ZGVwbG95bWVudCBvZiBSUEtJLCBJDQpzdHJvbmdseSBzdXBwb3J0IGFkb3B0aW9uIG9mIHRoaXMg ZG9jdW1lbnQuIEkgd2lsbCBwYXJ0aWNpcGF0ZSBpbiB0aGUNCmRpc2N1c3Npb24uDQoNClRoYW5r cywNCg0KV2VzIEdlb3JnZQ0KDQoNCg0KT24gMS8xNC8xNSwgMzozOCBQTSwgIlNhbmRyYSBNdXJw aHkiIDxzYW5keUB0aXNsYWJzLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCj5UaGUgYXV0aG9ycyBvZiBkcmFmdC10 YnJ1aWpuemVlbHMtc2lkci1kZWx0YS1wcm90b2NvbC0wMyBoYXZlIHJlcXVlc3RlZA0KPndvcmtp bmcgZ3JvdXAgYWRvcHRpb24uDQo+DQo+QSB3b3JraW5nIGdyb3VwIGFkb3B0aW9uIGNhbGwgc3Rh cnRzIG5vdyBhbmQgd2lsbCBlbmQgMTQgZGF5cyBmcm9tIG5vdyBvbg0KPjI4IEphbnVhcnkuDQo+ DQo+UGxlYXNlIHJlc3BvbmQgdG8gc2F5IHdoZXRoZXIgeW91IHN1cHBvcnQgYWRvcHRpb24gb2Yg dGhpcyB3b3JrIGFzIGENCj53b3JraW5nIGdyb3VwIHdvcmsgaXRlbSBBTkQgd2hldGhlciB5b3Ug d2lsbCBwYXJ0aWNpcGF0ZSBpbiB0aGUNCj5kaXNjdXNzaW9uLg0KPg0KPlJlbWVtYmVyIHRoYXQg d29ya2luZyBncm91cCBjb25zZW5zdXMgdG8gYWRvcHQgdGhlIHdvcmsgbmVlZHMgcmVzcG9uc2Vz LA0KPm5vdCBqdXN0IGFic2VuY2Ugb2Ygb2JqZWN0aW9uLCBzbyBzcGVhayB1cC4NCj4NCj4tLVNh bmR5LCBzcGVha2luZyBhcyBvbmUgb2YgdGhlIHdnIGNvLWNoYWlycw0KDQoNClRoaXMgRS1tYWls IGFuZCBhbnkgb2YgaXRzIGF0dGFjaG1lbnRzIG1heSBjb250YWluIFRpbWUgV2FybmVyIENhYmxl IHByb3ByaWV0YXJ5IGluZm9ybWF0aW9uLCB3aGljaCBpcyBwcml2aWxlZ2VkLCBjb25maWRlbnRp YWwsIG9yIHN1YmplY3QgdG8gY29weXJpZ2h0IGJlbG9uZ2luZyB0byBUaW1lIFdhcm5lciBDYWJs ZS4gVGhpcyBFLW1haWwgaXMgaW50ZW5kZWQgc29sZWx5IGZvciB0aGUgdXNlIG9mIHRoZSBpbmRp dmlkdWFsIG9yIGVudGl0eSB0byB3aGljaCBpdCBpcyBhZGRyZXNzZWQuIElmIHlvdSBhcmUgbm90 IHRoZSBpbnRlbmRlZCByZWNpcGllbnQgb2YgdGhpcyBFLW1haWwsIHlvdSBhcmUgaGVyZWJ5IG5v dGlmaWVkIHRoYXQgYW55IGRpc3NlbWluYXRpb24sIGRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbiwgY29weWluZywgb3Ig YWN0aW9uIHRha2VuIGluIHJlbGF0aW9uIHRvIHRoZSBjb250ZW50cyBvZiBhbmQgYXR0YWNobWVu dHMgdG8gdGhpcyBFLW1haWwgaXMgc3RyaWN0bHkgcHJvaGliaXRlZCBhbmQgbWF5IGJlIHVubGF3 ZnVsLiBJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSByZWNlaXZlZCB0aGlzIEUtbWFpbCBpbiBlcnJvciwgcGxlYXNlIG5v dGlmeSB0aGUgc2VuZGVyIGltbWVkaWF0ZWx5IGFuZCBwZXJtYW5lbnRseSBkZWxldGUgdGhlIG9y aWdpbmFsIGFuZCBhbnkgY29weSBvZiB0aGlzIEUtbWFpbCBhbmQgYW55IHByaW50b3V0Lg0K From nobody Sat Jan 24 17:03:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87761A1BED; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:03:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WahsBMt2ibMZ; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DD01A1BE8; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:02:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150125010258.11830.17944.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:02:58 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: sidr@ietf.org Subject: [sidr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-validation-reconsidered-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 01:03:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : RPKI Validation Reconsidered Authors : Geoff Huston George Michaelson Carlos M. Martinez Tim Bruijnzeels Andrew Lee Newton Alain Aina Filename : draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-validation-reconsidered-01.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2015-01-24 Abstract: This document reviews the certificate validation procedure specified in RFC6487 and highlights aspects of operational fragility in the management of certificates in the RPKI in response to the movement of resources across registries, and the associated actions of Certification Authorities to maintain continuity of validation of certification of resources during this movement. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-validation-reconsidered/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-validation-reconsidered-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-validation-reconsidered-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jan 26 14:39:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB821A0089 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:39:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02MV8ANguIWE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94A081B2AE7 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6A828B0017 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77711F8035; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:39:39 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_61FD94E8-D944-4E1F-B531-1E5962573230"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Sandra Murphy In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:39:39 -0500 Message-Id: <67C86937-B200-4E47-845F-B93110C486F4@tislabs.com> References: To: sidr wg list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: Cc: Sandra Murphy Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 22:39:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_61FD94E8-D944-4E1F-B531-1E5962573230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are two more days to respond to this adoption call. --Sandy speaking as wg co-chair On Jan 14, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote: > The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have = requested working group adoption. >=20 > A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now = on 28 January. >=20 > Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a = working group work item AND whether you will participate in the = discussion. >=20 > Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs = responses, not just absence of objection, so speak up. >=20 > --Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs --Apple-Mail=_61FD94E8-D944-4E1F-B531-1E5962573230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUxsIrAAoJEHplpQeet0IZuRIP/2EiHu3ilWFPX6Cv6T86WW/D UxIZVsdlVohrhorGqv5dGHx6xUzL0URTdcMoKDlesePPPL+RBpIot1H9NDYFLSh8 HXXSrHa23jxP8Va+Wefk2SSyechHFp102aJaMy2Uuy+VtPnsK24AM1aud0RZ9eZy tIU+Q09qzp/VL2u6lUzS7UgLtbWsp8INtbmlWY7OWYdeYSEcbFTB0rEagUrLI+yz 4mjXgEWIBh9G+HMRD5sgxzFQcgqFCCtrAWNhSu5ufKKVD2bidSocBi+yvHN9Q7Ws gZS/Ka26fd+muE8QKK/yZYWanb1tgVLhDQrXERvTUhDYLMCNr1suPy6z/6azdYtf EtYt1NNR7zb1pBDv/tJ0on4xjI4a6t3gqbnbRoQU5IvlFdbEuF/HWRUxPptCOeES ZpusQcQVekB6rKWi+3wPrbeuEtbEoaVHfkSbqoyd2DXX7SxRP2Tn6vLQ8G9IjAxw Gh4BHbpPa744rGb9somEBUzLAE4pejLsHTZeloj0DUZ+AGmBjsmkZYEog7bPfIQK bWqaEa1s4XXs47gtaJnZ4KibnLHfIuN9Eoo5XTE3BByD8SygwS3MHCaAfAUDyx0s 8tC1XpvUCatJWRY4M8N2c/se08rRx4Ik4QWw6simkjeCVvVd207pwfEuPTl60lYE /l+1yruPReJMlCNDd2y+ =ZjGu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_61FD94E8-D944-4E1F-B531-1E5962573230-- From nobody Mon Jan 26 14:45:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDED1A0089 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:45:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LOmTBRHyVPW0 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from walnut.tislabs.com (walnut.tislabs.com [192.94.214.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 796861A0072 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nova.tislabs.com (unknown [10.66.1.77]) by walnut.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E7D28B0017 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by nova.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C7E1F8035; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:45:26 -0500 (EST) From: Sandra Murphy Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4C92D5C7-2321-4909-A610-0A51B7D24E5C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:45:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4C184296-F426-40EF-9DB6-3AE87C42B516@tislabs.com> To: sidr wg list Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: Cc: Sandra Murphy Subject: [sidr] wglc for draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 22:45:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4C92D5C7-2321-4909-A610-0A51B7D24E5C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The editor of draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol, BGPsec Protocol = Specification, indicate that all issues have been addressed and the = draft is ready for a working group last call. This starts a working group last call for = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11. =20 Please review the draft and send comments to the list. Please include = whether you believe the draft is ready for publication. This wglc will end on 9 February 2015. --Sandy, speaking for the wg co-chairs --Apple-Mail=_4C92D5C7-2321-4909-A610-0A51B7D24E5C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUxsOGAAoJEHplpQeet0IZ4vIP/1mKIxmIHtn/YE/tSrk+zBIP PQWZSt4PZH9wPYGg2FsH2B5hF0gMkTppBtJjgS30NoJeZNJ5nLNIi8ccCA6ZuOx0 PT+pUAZ/T63sxD5FIQXbLnJpDOR5xPNlW3d3UGlJ9mkSXH+/V6sFbCgO7VV15W0E cVdPER4UW5OZILG5CY9ivDf3V7FgtDIZ6Q1w3AQcARJal4wbTDmewNfL5KsH8ooz r7QhyBs3tcHnC8FIKjqLl3rOaffrg9AQ4Qlkpz0qKHSAK45m1udortSPEV/WeMIC 2QyqyCgXPObNQBKABk0/YnHDw6JhUbT0uXYuKOo44ZXl4/HwaQgPN96nHoLF3kW/ Quz0yEwkIK1tE+rFjgZ0gF9hJP8Nr4z/jNZpZoddYCzsNyezd5Zk4usSZ93s0sc2 79sFWQTLyFHNsFDv5YH8yiN406howvJIx4tifogezSazFTrx9idelrX7m0IAYVAD 8OiYc6qm8Lkf20eRlbChPAQRlp7rXlu4iUiihvWiHYMZhJmt2ihXK537zt41/dR+ 545A4IMzc5hewhK94vCN4k7ukY9JS5gaHBr1UPsWpS31OLWfrcrdg7tX5lUggspk eYaUQ6+Lxry9mu7+WdeYkXGKwHhPF408ur9IUwG/9CrP1JfLpf2fqp4zQEwdPFv2 X7gwfY+09oNJVUMmkESo =i9gb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_4C92D5C7-2321-4909-A610-0A51B7D24E5C-- From nobody Tue Jan 27 09:34:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24211A1A94 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:34:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uM5vHALhOJBO for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0745.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::1:745]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36D971A8854 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from DM2PR09MB0286.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (25.160.96.143) by DM2PR09MB0285.namprd09.prod.outlook.com (25.160.96.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.65.19; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:33:50 +0000 Received: from DM2PR09MB0286.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.96.143]) by DM2PR09MB0286.namprd09.prod.outlook.com ([25.160.96.143]) with mapi id 15.01.0065.013; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:33:50 +0000 From: "Borchert, Oliver" To: sidr wg list Thread-Topic: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 Thread-Index: AQHQOldpM+adyNZTQ0+XPUMGcJQeqg== Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:33:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <67C86937-B200-4E47-845F-B93110C486F4@tislabs.com> In-Reply-To: <67C86937-B200-4E47-845F-B93110C486F4@tislabs.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 x-originating-ip: [129.6.140.59] authentication-results: ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;ietf.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=nist.gov; x-dmarcaction-test: None x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(3005004);SRVR:DM2PR09MB0285; x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:DM2PR09MB0285; x-forefront-prvs: 046985391D x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(24454002)(479174004)(51704005)(377454003)(77156002)(36756003)(102836002)(46102003)(106116001)(50986999)(76176999)(54356999)(122556002)(92566002)(40100003)(2950100001)(2900100001)(450100001)(62966003)(66066001)(230783001)(107886001)(83506001)(87936001)(2656002)(86362001)(19580405001)(19580395003)(110136001)(99286002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR09MB0285; H:DM2PR09MB0286.namprd09.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <35609DF82CBA6E41975DCF2F0999E34D@namprd09.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nist.gov X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 27 Jan 2015 17:33:50.3740 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 2ab5d82f-d8fa-4797-a93e-054655c61dec X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM2PR09MB0285 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:34:22 -0000 I have read draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 and I support adoption. Oliver ------------------------------------------------------------- Oliver Borchert, Computer Scientist National Institute of Standards and Technology (Phone) 301.975.4856 , (Fax) 301.975.6238 On 1/26/15, 5:39 PM, "Sandra Murphy" wrote: >There are two more days to respond to this adoption call. > >--Sandy speaking as wg co-chair > >On Jan 14, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote: > >> The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested >>working group adoption. >>=20 >> A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now >>on 28 January. >>=20 >> Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a >>working group work item AND whether you will participate in the >>discussion. >>=20 >> Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs >>responses, not just absence of objection, so speak up. >>=20 >> --Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs > From nobody Tue Jan 27 09:51:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF761A88F2 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:51:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.461 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.461 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tC3nG0TWzrBu for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 891511A88FC for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.82) for sidr@ietf.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1YGAIg-001HJX-41>; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 18:51:42 +0100 Received: from e178062006.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.62.6] helo=mw-PC.fritz.box) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.82) for sidr@ietf.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1YGAIf-002iOZ-Vq>; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 18:51:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 18:51:32 +0100 From: Matthias Waehlisch To: sidr wg list In-Reply-To: <67C86937-B200-4E47-845F-B93110C486F4@tislabs.com> Message-ID: References: <67C86937-B200-4E47-845F-B93110C486F4@tislabs.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (WNT 1167 2008-08-23) X-X-Sender: waehl@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 85.178.62.6 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] wg adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:51:45 -0000 I support adoption and will provide feedback. Cheers matthias -- Matthias Waehlisch . Freie Universitaet Berlin, Inst. fuer Informatik, AG CST . Takustr. 9, D-14195 Berlin, Germany .. mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org .. http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~waehl :. Also: http://inet.cpt.haw-hamburg.de .. http://www.link-lab.net On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Sandra Murphy wrote: > There are two more days to respond to this adoption call. > > --Sandy speaking as wg co-chair > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote: > > > The authors of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol-03 have requested working group adoption. > > > > A working group adoption call starts now and will end 14 days from now on 28 January. > > > > Please respond to say whether you support adoption of this work as a working group work item AND whether you will participate in the discussion. > > > > Remember that working group consensus to adopt the work needs responses, not just absence of objection, so speak up. > > > > --Sandy, speaking as one of the wg co-chairs > > From nobody Tue Jan 27 10:16:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP 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-0500 Received: from PRVPEXVS10.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.41]) by PRVPEXHUB02.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.11]) with mapi; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 13:16:07 -0500 From: "George, Wes" To: sidr wg list Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 13:16:05 -0500 Thread-Topic: [sidr] wglc for draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11 Thread-Index: AdA6XVG9QJ/TZARXRjK+TUH838nT2g== Message-ID: References: <4C184296-F426-40EF-9DB6-3AE87C42B516@tislabs.com> In-Reply-To: <4C184296-F426-40EF-9DB6-3AE87C42B516@tislabs.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] wglc for draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-11 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , 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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:51:03 -0000 --001a1137b2a4f7ae1c050de4c1ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As usual, I have done an AD review of draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration-02 before progressing the draft. a) Language around draft-ietf-idr-as-migration is more tentative than is appropriate when that draft and this are going to be RFCs. Please clean that up. b) In Sec 3.1, it says "If the route now shows up as originating from AS64500, any downstream peers' validation check will fail unless a ROA is *also* available for AS64500 as the origin ASN, meaning that there will be overlapping ROAs until all routers originating prefixes from AS64510 are migrated to AS64500." I think the second AS64500 should be AS64510. c) Sec 4: I think the first paragraph about not standardizing the draft-ietf-idr-as-migration can be removed now. d) In Sec 5.3, please replace or augment "current BGPSec specification" with the reference. After all, this draft will be part of BGPSec too. e) In draft-ietf-idr-as-migration, the case of handling AS migration in iBGP sessions is also covered. I assume that because it is iBGP sessions, there is no work to be done for BGPsec. Could you please add a quick obvious statement to that effect? Otherwise, this looks like a fine draft. Please do update the draft during IETF Last Call. I'll progress it to IETF Last Call and put it on the Feb 19 telechat. Thanks for the good work, Alia --001a1137b2a4f7ae1c050de4c1ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As usual, I have done an AD review of draft-ietf-sidr-as-m= igration-02 before
progressing the draft.

a) Language around draf= t-ietf-idr-as-migration is more tentative than is appropriate
when that= draft and this are going to be RFCs.=C2=A0 Please clean that up.

b)= In Sec 3.1, it says

"If the route now shows up as originating<= br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0from AS64500, any downstream peers' validation check wi= ll fail unless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a ROA is *also* available for AS64500 as the= origin ASN, meaning that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0there will be overlapping ROAs un= til all routers originating prefixes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0from AS64510 are migra= ted to AS64500."

I think the second AS64500 should be AS64510.<= br>

c) Sec 4: =C2=A0I think the first paragraph about no= t standardizing the draft-ietf-idr-as-migration
can be removed no= w.

d) =C2=A0In Sec 5.3, please replace or augment "current BG= PSec=C2=A0specification" with the reference.=C2=A0 After all, this dra= ft will be part of BGPSec too.

e) In draft=
-ietf-idr-as-migration, the case of handling AS migration in iBGP sessions =
is also covered.  I assume that because it is iBGP sessions, there is no wo=
rk to be done for BGPsec.  Could you please add a quick obvious statement t=
o that effect?

Otherwise, this looks like a fine draft.  Please do updat=
e the draft during IETF Last Call.  I'll progress it to IETF Last Call =
and put it on the Feb 19 telechat.

Thanks for the good work,
Alia<=
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--001a1137b2a4f7ae1c050de4c1ac-- From nobody Fri Jan 30 12:55:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79401A870B for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:55:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TOO9s9_9D8AS for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yh0-x236.google.com (mail-yh0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 753961A8731 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 29so11947673yhl.13 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:55:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xxWQyehK1z+25fEfAozaGf+IXnTOtiQXBGP21bEfMHw=; b=gOOmV4ASnhxSVJt3QIp7LCsQNvk6renvTnOpu2RWpKnYmalzyI03RzlXIviy6emclA qIYJ2uJ63kNEJmtKvEZk9zLo3fJz96Pdq5vA5UBjFGnLdy5YbtbboRaD70vFcMmearKM DsMR9ScDdqu37ZauEiDqcmT8TBhojuJciriTZ052HEEd6QryCDk8/OyOkLq4mpFgNm6s ZMnWEFNe3UP0COANp/wgtpG9aO3g0dr1+ZYADhURUuPItmeOh7EiJxrwbHyCxA9BdpTV mNxNIfX5yHdSPWom0rGlNMTxnYZcJOjLygSzo2hSsqCgSZX++RTErYMvmkVp4Xr9QKRP QgZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.56.5 with SMTP id 5mr4524246yky.103.1422651304688; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.133.80 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:55:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 15:55:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration@tools.ietf.org, sidr@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11399390a7c4d6050de4d166 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sidr] AD review and progressing draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration-02 X-BeenThere: sidr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Interdomain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:55:10 -0000 --001a11399390a7c4d6050de4d166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I forgot to not that RFC5398 is an informative reference. The use of the AS numbers for examples doesn't have any effects on the technology to standardize. Please do update that as well. Thanks, Alia On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > As usual, I have done an AD review of draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration-02 > before > progressing the draft. > > a) Language around draft-ietf-idr-as-migration is more tentative than is > appropriate > when that draft and this are going to be RFCs. Please clean that up. > > b) In Sec 3.1, it says > > "If the route now shows up as originating > from AS64500, any downstream peers' validation check will fail unless > a ROA is *also* available for AS64500 as the origin ASN, meaning that > there will be overlapping ROAs until all routers originating prefixes > from AS64510 are migrated to AS64500." > > I think the second AS64500 should be AS64510. > > c) Sec 4: I think the first paragraph about not standardizing the > draft-ietf-idr-as-migration > can be removed now. > > d) In Sec 5.3, please replace or augment "current BGPSec specification" > with the reference. After all, this draft will be part of BGPSec too. > > > e) In draft-ietf-idr-as-migration, the case of handling AS migration in iBGP sessions is also covered. I assume that because it is iBGP sessions, there is no work to be done for BGPsec. Could you please add a quick obvious statement to that effect? > > > Otherwise, this looks like a fine draft. Please do update the draft during IETF Last Call. I'll progress it to IETF Last Call and put it on the Feb 19 telechat. > > > Thanks for the good work, > > Alia > > --001a11399390a7c4d6050de4d166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I forgot to not that RFC5398 is an informative reference.= =C2=A0 The use of the AS numbers for examples
doesn't have any effe= cts on the technology to standardize.=C2=A0 Please do update that as well.<= /div>

Thanks,
Alia

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:50 PM, = Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:
As usual, I have done an AD review of draft-= ietf-sidr-as-migration-02 before
progressing the draft.

a) Langua= ge around draft-ietf-idr-as-migration is more tentative than is appropriate=
when that draft and this are going to be RFCs.=C2=A0 Please clean that= up.

b) In Sec 3.1, it says

"If the route now shows up a= s originating
=C2=A0 =C2=A0from AS64500, any downstream peers' valid= ation check will fail unless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a ROA is *also* available for = AS64500 as the origin ASN, meaning that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0there will be overl= apping ROAs until all routers originating prefixes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0from AS6= 4510 are migrated to AS64500."

I think the second AS64500 shoul= d be AS64510.

c) Sec 4: =C2=A0I think the first para= graph about not standardizing the draft-ietf-idr-as-migration
can= be removed now.

d) =C2=A0In Sec 5.3, please replace or augment &q= uot;current BGPSec=C2=A0specification" with the reference.=C2=A0 After= all, this draft will be part of BGPSec too.

e) In draft-ietf-idr-as-migration, the case of handling AS migration in =
iBGP sessions is also covered.  I assume that because it is iBGP sessions, =
there is no work to be done for BGPsec.  Could you please add a quick obvio=
us statement to that effect?

Otherwise, this looks like a fine draft.  P=
lease do update the draft during IETF Last Call.  I'll progress it to I=
ETF Last Call and put it on the Feb 19 telechat.

Thanks for the good wor=
k,

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The IESG has received a request from the Secure Inter-Domain Routing WG
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- 'BGPSec Considerations for AS Migration'
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Abstract


   This draft discusses considerations and methods for supporting and
   securing a common method for AS-Migration within the BGPSec protocol.




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> The IESG has received a request from the Secure Inter-Domain Routing WG
> (sidr) to consider the following document:
> - 'BGPSec Considerations for AS Migration'
>    as Proposed Standard

really smart bit of work.  definite pass

randy