From owner-ietf-mta-filters Mon May 1 13:37:13 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10966 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10962 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAB28001; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> From: Tim Showalter X-Spook: Croatian cypherpunk fissionable quiche Marxist Roswell arrangements To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi. I'd like one more chance before last call to get any input on Sieve and the vacation extension. Please send any complaints out before May 3, 5PM (PDT) with any complaints; I intend to submit this for last call before the end of the week (hopefully Thursday). Thanks! Tim From owner-ietf-mta-filters Mon May 1 15:56:35 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12751 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darius.cyrusoft.com (darius.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.194]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12747 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pasargadae.cyrusoft.com (pasargadae.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.209]) by darius.cyrusoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21798; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:01:47 -0400 From: Matthew Wall To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org cc: Tim Showalter Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Message-ID: <608967.3166196507@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> In-Reply-To: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.0 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: -- On Monday, May 1, 2000 1:42 PM -0700 the entity known as Tim Showalter wrote: > I intend to submit this > for last call before the end of the week (hopefully Thursday). To which Matthew Wall offers this response on Mon, 01 May 2000 19:01:22 -0400: clarification, Tim -- do you mean List Last Call, or submitting it for Extended Last Call to the IESG? From owner-ietf-mta-filters Mon May 1 16:34:59 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13164 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13159 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAB32319; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:40:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Spook: strategic NSA radar constitution Marxist assassination CIA To: Matthew Wall Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation References: <608967.3166196507@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> From: Tim Showalter Date: 01 May 2000 16:42:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: Matthew Wall's message of "Mon, 01 May 2000 19:01:47 -0400" Message-ID: <7dn1m9n8gc.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Matthew Wall writes: > > I intend to submit this for last call before the end of the week > > (hopefully Thursday). > clarification, Tim -- do you mean List Last Call, or submitting it for > Extended Last Call to the IESG? I mean an Extended Last Call to the IESG. We're not a working group, so there really can't be a list last call. Tim From owner-ietf-mta-filters Mon May 1 16:47:47 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13289 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darius.cyrusoft.com (darius.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.194]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13285 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pasargadae.cyrusoft.com (pasargadae.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.209]) by darius.cyrusoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21960; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:52:59 -0400 From: Matthew Wall To: Tim Showalter cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Message-ID: <793780.3166199579@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> In-Reply-To: <7dn1m9n8gc.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.0 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: -- On Monday, May 1, 2000 4:42 PM -0700 the entity known as Tim Showalter wrote: > We're not a working group, > so there really can't be a list last call. To which Matthew Wall offers this response on Mon, 01 May 2000 19:52:29 -0400: Well, we can still do it if we feel like it 8-). That said, I'm ready to move to IESG Extended Last Call. - mw From owner-ietf-mta-filters Mon May 1 20:35:44 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07116 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07107 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id XAA01972 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 23:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com ([135.197.86.201]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <2000050203380209925300n3e>; Tue, 2 May 2000 03:38:03 +0000 Message-ID: <390E4E30.DD5EE894@att.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:40:32 -0400 From: Tony Hansen Organization: AT&T Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation References: <608967.3166196507@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> <7dn1m9n8gc.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: In other words, THIS is the list last call. :-) Tony Tim Showalter wrote: > > Matthew Wall writes: > > > > I intend to submit this for last call before the end of the week > > > (hopefully Thursday). > > > clarification, Tim -- do you mean List Last Call, or submitting it for > > Extended Last Call to the IESG? > > I mean an Extended Last Call to the IESG. We're not a working group, > so there really can't be a list last call. From owner-ietf-mta-filters Tue May 2 21:51:49 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12844 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odd.qualcomm.com (odd.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.48]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12838 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.86.153] (xanadu-client24.qualcomm.com [129.46.86.153]) by odd.qualcomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.0) with ESMTP id VAA02438; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> References: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora v4.3 for Macintosh Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:56:22 -0700 To: Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: In the Vacation draft: > Alternatively, scripts can store records of who has received which > message, and never send a message to someone twice. I think this should be "implementations can store", since there is no facility in Sieve itself for storing this info. > "Vacation" MUST NOT respond to a message unless the user's email > address is in the "To" or "Cc" line of the original message. Shouldn't the "Bcc" header be permitted, as well? Some mailers (not many, I'll admit) generate a "Bcc" header. If you have vacation set and I use one of these mailers to send mail to your buddy, and I bcc you, I should get a vacation notice. In "3.7. Restricting Replies to Automated Processes", I'd suggest also saying that implementations MUST NOT respond to mail that has any header fields which start with "List-". > Vacation does not affect the implicit keep. This might be more clear if it said "Vacation, by itself, still requires the implicit keep." I'm not sure, though. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- If you can't be a good example, at least be a horrible warning. From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed May 3 05:51:09 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06768 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06764 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA23599 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from benji ([135.197.90.193]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <20000503125335099253007le>; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:53:35 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000503090441.00a4b5b0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Sender: gsereda@postoffice.maillennium.att.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:04:42 -0400 To: Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Gregory Sereda Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 09:56 PM 5/2/00 -0700, Randall Gellens wrote: >In the Vacation draft: > >> Alternatively, scripts can store records of who has received which >> message, and never send a message to someone twice. > >I think this should be "implementations can store", since there is no >facility in Sieve itself for storing this info. Another minor point, "Never say never". More correctly... ... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. Greg Sereda AT&T Labs From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed May 3 06:12:24 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07037 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07033 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA06299 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from benji ([135.197.90.193]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <20000503131452099253008oe>; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:14:52 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000503092559.00ab7bd0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Sender: gsereda@postoffice.maillennium.att.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:25:59 -0400 To: Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Gregory Sereda Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Tim, Regarding extended sieve example on page 38... # # Keep all messages to or from people in my company # elsif anyof address :domain :is ["From", "To"] "company.com" { keep; # keep in "In" folder } This is a syntax error. Either remove the "anyof", or enclose the test list within ( ... ) In the revisions since draft 7, the "anyof" was inserted. Greg Sereda AT&T Labs From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed May 3 08:49:27 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09134 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mage.qualcomm.com (mage.qualcomm.com [129.46.65.64]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09130 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.86.147] (xanadu-client18.qualcomm.com [129.46.86.147]) by mage.qualcomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.0) with ESMTP id IAA09347; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000503090441.00a4b5b0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> References: <3.0.32.20000503090441.00a4b5b0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora v4.3 for Macintosh Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:54:18 -0700 To: Gregory Sereda , Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 9:04 AM -0400 5/3/00, Gregory Sereda wrote: > ... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. Or ... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days specified in the vacation message has been exceeded or the text to be sent has changed. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else. --Lily Tomlin From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed May 3 09:09:35 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09330 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09326 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id MAA27882 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from benji ([135.197.90.193]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <2000050316115809925300hme>; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:11:58 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000503122307.00acea90@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Sender: gsereda@postoffice.maillennium.att.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:23:07 -0400 To: Randall Gellens , Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Gregory Sereda Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 08:54 AM 5/3/00 -0700, Randall Gellens wrote: > >... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded or the text to >be sent has changed. The wording "a message" implies "the same message". Since the sentance is getting a little long, the editor may consider this wording... ... and never send the same message to someone twice unless the :days specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. Greg Sereda AT&T Labs From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed May 3 09:31:33 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09755 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.qualcomm.com (strange.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.27]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09751 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.86.147] (xanadu-client18.qualcomm.com [129.46.86.147]) by strange.qualcomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.0) with ESMTP id JAA09081; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000503122307.00acea90@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> References: <3.0.32.20000503122307.00acea90@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora v4.3 for Macintosh Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:35:26 -0700 To: Gregory Sereda , Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 12:23 PM -0400 5/3/00, Gregory Sereda wrote: > ... and never send the same message to someone twice unless the :days > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. I like it. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- "Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic!" From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed May 3 09:44:06 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11136 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deptvachi2-bh.va.gov (deptvachi2-bh.va.gov [205.183.31.67]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11131 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by deptvachi2-bh.va.gov (8.8.8/8.6.11) id LAA02311; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:49:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(152.129.1.28) by deptvachi2-bh.va.gov via smap (4.1) id xma000838; Wed, 3 May 00 11:48:39 -0500 Received: from 172.16.100.102 by vhaishmul4 (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 03 May 2000 11:53:47 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by VHAISHHBEXC4 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1D2WCTYF>; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:51:10 -0500 Message-ID: <03F40A4BFEFAD111B55E0000F81E4FB1603767@VHAISFEXC1> From: "Woodhouse, Gregory J." To: "'Gregory Sereda'" , Randall Gellens , Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: RE: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:48:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: We use an M based mail program called VA Mailman to distribute software updates. Occasionally, a message that has already been sent will be purged from the target system and it will have to be resent. Unfortunately, the other system will have recorded that it has already sent message #nnnnn to domain wherever.va.gov, and so it will not resend the message. Before this problem was addressed, it was necessary to manually copy the message and then send the copy. This situation arises because we store all messages in a single database and each recipient on the local system simply stores a reference to the message, and the message ID is the same for everyone. Now, I'm not saying this necessrily the right way to do things, but it is an example of how things can break when the policy of not resending the "same" message is enforced a little too aggressively (or, perhaps more to the point, the definition of sameness is too exacting). === Gregory Woodhouse Financial Product Line +1 415 744 6362 "Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." -- E.W. Dijkstra -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Sereda [mailto:gsereda@maillennium.att.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 9:23 AM To: Randall Gellens; Randall Gellens; Tim Showalter; ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation At 08:54 AM 5/3/00 -0700, Randall Gellens wrote: > >... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded or the text to >be sent has changed. The wording "a message" implies "the same message". Since the sentance is getting a little long, the editor may consider this wording... ... and never send the same message to someone twice unless the :days specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. Greg Sereda AT&T Labs From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed May 3 11:22:08 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12393 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.innosoft.com (DSL107-055.brandx.net [209.55.107.55]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12389 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: ned.freed@innosoft.com Received: from MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM by MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01JOYL8ZF4NK0004K2@MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM> for ietf-mta-filters@imc.org; Wed, 03 May 2000 11:27:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:21:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation In-reply-to: "Your message dated Tue, 02 May 2000 21:56:22 -0700" To: Randall Gellens Cc: Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Message-id: <01JOYMQLYSZ20004K2@MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > In the Vacation draft: > > Alternatively, scripts can store records of who has received which > > message, and never send a message to someone twice. > I think this should be "implementations can store", since there is no > facility in Sieve itself for storing this info. > > "Vacation" MUST NOT respond to a message unless the user's email > > address is in the "To" or "Cc" line of the original message. > Shouldn't the "Bcc" header be permitted, as well? Some mailers (not > many, I'll admit) generate a "Bcc" header. If you have vacation set > and I use one of these mailers to send mail to your buddy, and I bcc > you, I should get a vacation notice. Good point. I support making this change. > In "3.7. Restricting Replies to Automated Processes", I'd suggest > also saying that implementations MUST NOT respond to mail that has > any header fields which start with "List-". I'd be more comfortable with a SHOULD NOT. Ned From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri May 5 16:44:19 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17520 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17516 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAA13976; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:49:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Spook: ammunition ECHELON $400 million in gold bullion Kenneth Starr quiche encryption Janet Reno To: Randall Gellens Cc: Gregory Sereda , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation References: <3.0.32.20000503122307.00acea90@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> From: Tim Showalter Date: 05 May 2000 16:53:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: Randall Gellens's message of "Wed, 3 May 2000 09:35:26 -0700" Message-ID: <7d1z3g3669.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0806 (Gnus v5.8.6) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Randall Gellens writes: > At 12:23 PM -0400 5/3/00, Gregory Sereda wrote: > > > ... and never send the same message to someone twice unless the :days > > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. > > I like it. It strikes me that this is duplicating requirements more clearly and completely stated elsewhere in this document. I don't think the text on how to do it was clear, though. If a sieve script changes, implementations MAY reset the records of who has been responded to and when they have been responded to. Alternatively, implementations can store records of who has received which message, perhaps by storing a hash of the message and the recipient. I'm pretty sure I can add more words there, but I'm not sure it would help. I don't know that it's worth specifying the algorithm, but perhaps it is. Is this an improvement? Tim From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri May 5 17:43:00 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17872 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darius.cyrusoft.com (darius.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.194]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17868 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pasargadae.cyrusoft.com (pasargadae.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.209]) by darius.cyrusoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04505 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 20:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 20:48:06 -0400 From: Matthew Wall To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: website updated Message-ID: <10371054.3166548486@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.0 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I've minimally updated the website to get the drafts up to date. Still looking for any info and/or links to Sieve implementations. Please email me with yours! Critical mass, etc. etc. http://www.cyrusoft.com/sieve ta, - matt From owner-ietf-mta-filters Mon May 8 14:27:33 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23639 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23631 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAA05484; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: 8 May 2000 14:37:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: Tim Showalter X-Spook: Peking Mena supercomputer arrangements spy White Water Kennedy To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: new versions of the drafts Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Due to the changes to the drafts, I'm re-submitting them. I will try and last-call them no less (and not much more) than 24 hours after they appear in the Internet-Drafts repository. In the meantime, please take a look at them. There are very few changes, all of which have been advertised on the list except one. (I cleaned up a little bit of text in section 6.3 of the Sieve spec.) http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~tjs/sieve.txt http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~tjs/sieve-vacation.txt Thanks again. Tim Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23639 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23631 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAA05484; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: 8 May 2000 14:37:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: Tim Showalter X-Spook: Peking Mena supercomputer arrangements spy White Water Kennedy To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: new versions of the drafts Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Due to the changes to the drafts, I'm re-submitting them. I will try and last-call them no less (and not much more) than 24 hours after they appear in the Internet-Drafts repository. In the meantime, please take a look at them. There are very few changes, all of which have been advertised on the list except one. (I cleaned up a little bit of text in section 6.3 of the Sieve spec.) http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~tjs/sieve.txt http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~tjs/sieve-vacation.txt Thanks again. Tim Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17872 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darius.cyrusoft.com (darius.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.194]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17868 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pasargadae.cyrusoft.com (pasargadae.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.209]) by darius.cyrusoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04505 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 20:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 20:48:06 -0400 From: Matthew Wall To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: website updated Message-ID: <10371054.3166548486@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.0 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I've minimally updated the website to get the drafts up to date. Still looking for any info and/or links to Sieve implementations. Please email me with yours! Critical mass, etc. etc. http://www.cyrusoft.com/sieve ta, - matt Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17520 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17516 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAA13976; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:49:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Spook: ammunition ECHELON $400 million in gold bullion Kenneth Starr quiche encryption Janet Reno To: Randall Gellens Cc: Gregory Sereda , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation References: <3.0.32.20000503122307.00acea90@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> From: Tim Showalter Date: 05 May 2000 16:53:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: Randall Gellens's message of "Wed, 3 May 2000 09:35:26 -0700" Message-ID: <7d1z3g3669.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0806 (Gnus v5.8.6) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Randall Gellens writes: > At 12:23 PM -0400 5/3/00, Gregory Sereda wrote: > > > ... and never send the same message to someone twice unless the :days > > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. > > I like it. It strikes me that this is duplicating requirements more clearly and completely stated elsewhere in this document. I don't think the text on how to do it was clear, though. If a sieve script changes, implementations MAY reset the records of who has been responded to and when they have been responded to. Alternatively, implementations can store records of who has received which message, perhaps by storing a hash of the message and the recipient. I'm pretty sure I can add more words there, but I'm not sure it would help. I don't know that it's worth specifying the algorithm, but perhaps it is. Is this an improvement? Tim Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12393 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.innosoft.com (DSL107-055.brandx.net [209.55.107.55]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12389 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: ned.freed@innosoft.com Received: from MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM by MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01JOYL8ZF4NK0004K2@MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM> for ietf-mta-filters@imc.org; Wed, 03 May 2000 11:27:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:21:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation In-reply-to: "Your message dated Tue, 02 May 2000 21:56:22 -0700" To: Randall Gellens Cc: Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Message-id: <01JOYMQLYSZ20004K2@MAUVE.INNOSOFT.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > In the Vacation draft: > > Alternatively, scripts can store records of who has received which > > message, and never send a message to someone twice. > I think this should be "implementations can store", since there is no > facility in Sieve itself for storing this info. > > "Vacation" MUST NOT respond to a message unless the user's email > > address is in the "To" or "Cc" line of the original message. > Shouldn't the "Bcc" header be permitted, as well? Some mailers (not > many, I'll admit) generate a "Bcc" header. If you have vacation set > and I use one of these mailers to send mail to your buddy, and I bcc > you, I should get a vacation notice. Good point. I support making this change. > In "3.7. Restricting Replies to Automated Processes", I'd suggest > also saying that implementations MUST NOT respond to mail that has > any header fields which start with "List-". I'd be more comfortable with a SHOULD NOT. Ned Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11136 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deptvachi2-bh.va.gov (deptvachi2-bh.va.gov [205.183.31.67]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11131 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by deptvachi2-bh.va.gov (8.8.8/8.6.11) id LAA02311; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:49:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(152.129.1.28) by deptvachi2-bh.va.gov via smap (4.1) id xma000838; Wed, 3 May 00 11:48:39 -0500 Received: from 172.16.100.102 by vhaishmul4 (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 03 May 2000 11:53:47 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by VHAISHHBEXC4 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1D2WCTYF>; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:51:10 -0500 Message-ID: <03F40A4BFEFAD111B55E0000F81E4FB1603767@VHAISFEXC1> From: "Woodhouse, Gregory J." To: "'Gregory Sereda'" , Randall Gellens , Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: RE: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:48:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: We use an M based mail program called VA Mailman to distribute software updates. Occasionally, a message that has already been sent will be purged from the target system and it will have to be resent. Unfortunately, the other system will have recorded that it has already sent message #nnnnn to domain wherever.va.gov, and so it will not resend the message. Before this problem was addressed, it was necessary to manually copy the message and then send the copy. This situation arises because we store all messages in a single database and each recipient on the local system simply stores a reference to the message, and the message ID is the same for everyone. Now, I'm not saying this necessrily the right way to do things, but it is an example of how things can break when the policy of not resending the "same" message is enforced a little too aggressively (or, perhaps more to the point, the definition of sameness is too exacting). === Gregory Woodhouse Financial Product Line +1 415 744 6362 "Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." -- E.W. Dijkstra -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Sereda [mailto:gsereda@maillennium.att.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 9:23 AM To: Randall Gellens; Randall Gellens; Tim Showalter; ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation At 08:54 AM 5/3/00 -0700, Randall Gellens wrote: > >... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded or the text to >be sent has changed. The wording "a message" implies "the same message". Since the sentance is getting a little long, the editor may consider this wording... ... and never send the same message to someone twice unless the :days specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. Greg Sereda AT&T Labs Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09755 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.qualcomm.com (strange.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.27]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09751 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.86.147] (xanadu-client18.qualcomm.com [129.46.86.147]) by strange.qualcomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.0) with ESMTP id JAA09081; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000503122307.00acea90@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> References: <3.0.32.20000503122307.00acea90@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora v4.3 for Macintosh Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:35:26 -0700 To: Gregory Sereda , Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 12:23 PM -0400 5/3/00, Gregory Sereda wrote: > ... and never send the same message to someone twice unless the :days > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. I like it. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- "Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic!" Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09330 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09326 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id MAA27882 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from benji ([135.197.90.193]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <2000050316115809925300hme>; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:11:58 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000503122307.00acea90@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Sender: gsereda@postoffice.maillennium.att.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:23:07 -0400 To: Randall Gellens , Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Gregory Sereda Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 08:54 AM 5/3/00 -0700, Randall Gellens wrote: > >... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded or the text to >be sent has changed. The wording "a message" implies "the same message". Since the sentance is getting a little long, the editor may consider this wording... ... and never send the same message to someone twice unless the :days specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. Greg Sereda AT&T Labs Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09134 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mage.qualcomm.com (mage.qualcomm.com [129.46.65.64]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09130 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.86.147] (xanadu-client18.qualcomm.com [129.46.86.147]) by mage.qualcomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.0) with ESMTP id IAA09347; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000503090441.00a4b5b0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> References: <3.0.32.20000503090441.00a4b5b0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora v4.3 for Macintosh Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:54:18 -0700 To: Gregory Sereda , Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 9:04 AM -0400 5/3/00, Gregory Sereda wrote: > ... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days > specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. Or ... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days specified in the vacation message has been exceeded or the text to be sent has changed. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- I worry that the person who thought up Muzak may be thinking up something else. --Lily Tomlin Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07037 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07033 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA06299 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from benji ([135.197.90.193]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <20000503131452099253008oe>; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:14:52 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000503092559.00ab7bd0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Sender: gsereda@postoffice.maillennium.att.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:25:59 -0400 To: Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Gregory Sereda Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Tim, Regarding extended sieve example on page 38... # # Keep all messages to or from people in my company # elsif anyof address :domain :is ["From", "To"] "company.com" { keep; # keep in "In" folder } This is a syntax error. Either remove the "anyof", or enclose the test list within ( ... ) In the revisions since draft 7, the "anyof" was inserted. Greg Sereda AT&T Labs Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA06768 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06764 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA23599 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from benji ([135.197.90.193]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <20000503125335099253007le>; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:53:35 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000503090441.00a4b5b0@postoffice.maillennium.att.com> X-Sender: gsereda@postoffice.maillennium.att.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:04:42 -0400 To: Randall Gellens , Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Gregory Sereda Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 09:56 PM 5/2/00 -0700, Randall Gellens wrote: >In the Vacation draft: > >> Alternatively, scripts can store records of who has received which >> message, and never send a message to someone twice. > >I think this should be "implementations can store", since there is no >facility in Sieve itself for storing this info. Another minor point, "Never say never". More correctly... ... and never send a message to someone twice unless the :days specified in the vacation message has been exceeded. Greg Sereda AT&T Labs Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12844 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odd.qualcomm.com (odd.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.48]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12838 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.86.153] (xanadu-client24.qualcomm.com [129.46.86.153]) by odd.qualcomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.0) with ESMTP id VAA02438; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> References: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora v4.3 for Macintosh Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:56:22 -0700 To: Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: In the Vacation draft: > Alternatively, scripts can store records of who has received which > message, and never send a message to someone twice. I think this should be "implementations can store", since there is no facility in Sieve itself for storing this info. > "Vacation" MUST NOT respond to a message unless the user's email > address is in the "To" or "Cc" line of the original message. Shouldn't the "Bcc" header be permitted, as well? Some mailers (not many, I'll admit) generate a "Bcc" header. If you have vacation set and I use one of these mailers to send mail to your buddy, and I bcc you, I should get a vacation notice. In "3.7. Restricting Replies to Automated Processes", I'd suggest also saying that implementations MUST NOT respond to mail that has any header fields which start with "List-". > Vacation does not affect the implicit keep. This might be more clear if it said "Vacation, by itself, still requires the implicit keep." I'm not sure, though. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- If you can't be a good example, at least be a horrible warning. Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07116 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07107 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id XAA01972 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 23:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com ([135.197.86.201]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <2000050203380209925300n3e>; Tue, 2 May 2000 03:38:03 +0000 Message-ID: <390E4E30.DD5EE894@att.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:40:32 -0400 From: Tony Hansen Organization: AT&T Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation References: <608967.3166196507@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> <7dn1m9n8gc.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: In other words, THIS is the list last call. :-) Tony Tim Showalter wrote: > > Matthew Wall writes: > > > > I intend to submit this for last call before the end of the week > > > (hopefully Thursday). > > > clarification, Tim -- do you mean List Last Call, or submitting it for > > Extended Last Call to the IESG? > > I mean an Extended Last Call to the IESG. We're not a working group, > so there really can't be a list last call. Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13289 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darius.cyrusoft.com (darius.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.194]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13285 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pasargadae.cyrusoft.com (pasargadae.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.209]) by darius.cyrusoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21960; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:52:59 -0400 From: Matthew Wall To: Tim Showalter cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Message-ID: <793780.3166199579@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> In-Reply-To: <7dn1m9n8gc.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.0 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: -- On Monday, May 1, 2000 4:42 PM -0700 the entity known as Tim Showalter wrote: > We're not a working group, > so there really can't be a list last call. To which Matthew Wall offers this response on Mon, 01 May 2000 19:52:29 -0400: Well, we can still do it if we feel like it 8-). That said, I'm ready to move to IESG Extended Last Call. - mw Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13164 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13159 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAB32319; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:40:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Spook: strategic NSA radar constitution Marxist assassination CIA To: Matthew Wall Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation References: <608967.3166196507@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> From: Tim Showalter Date: 01 May 2000 16:42:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: Matthew Wall's message of "Mon, 01 May 2000 19:01:47 -0400" Message-ID: <7dn1m9n8gc.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Matthew Wall writes: > > I intend to submit this for last call before the end of the week > > (hopefully Thursday). > clarification, Tim -- do you mean List Last Call, or submitting it for > Extended Last Call to the IESG? I mean an Extended Last Call to the IESG. We're not a working group, so there really can't be a list last call. Tim Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12751 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darius.cyrusoft.com (darius.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.194]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12747 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pasargadae.cyrusoft.com (pasargadae.cyrusoft.com [206.31.218.209]) by darius.cyrusoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21798; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:01:47 -0400 From: Matthew Wall To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org cc: Tim Showalter Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Message-ID: <608967.3166196507@pasargadae.cyrusoft.com> In-Reply-To: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.0 (MacOS) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: -- On Monday, May 1, 2000 1:42 PM -0700 the entity known as Tim Showalter wrote: > I intend to submit this > for last call before the end of the week (hopefully Thursday). To which Matthew Wall offers this response on Mon, 01 May 2000 19:01:22 -0400: clarification, Tim -- do you mean List Last Call, or submitting it for Extended Last Call to the IESG? Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10966 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10962 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAB28001; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> From: Tim Showalter X-Spook: Croatian cypherpunk fissionable quiche Marxist Roswell arrangements To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi. I'd like one more chance before last call to get any input on Sieve and the vacation extension. Please send any complaints out before May 3, 5PM (PDT) with any complaints; I intend to submit this for last call before the end of the week (hopefully Thursday). Thanks! Tim