From owner-ietf-mta-filters Tue Jul 11 09:38:48 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18778 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18772 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ken.oceana.com by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.0) with ESMTP id e6BGdwF08353; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:07 -0400 Message-ID: <396B4D4B.24746D39@oceana.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:37:31 -0400 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Showalter CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation References: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Randall Gellens wrote: > > In the Vacation draft: > > In "3.7. Restricting Replies to Automated Processes", I'd suggest > also saying that implementations MUST NOT respond to mail that has > any header fields which start with "List-". Along the same lines should we also add something like: ... SHOULD not respond to messages with an Auto-Submitted field with a keyword other than "no". as suggested in draft-ietf-mailext-new-fields-15.txt? Also from the same draft, perhaps we should recommend adding an "Auto-Submitted: auto-replied (vacation)" header. This functionality is already implemented in cmu-sieve. The vacation program as packaged with sendmail uses the Auto-Submitted header as well (although it incorrectly uses the auto-generated keyword). Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp From owner-ietf-mta-filters Tue Jul 11 10:57:13 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24281 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adept.qualcomm.com (adept.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.41]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24277 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (vpnap-g1-013042.qualcomm.com [10.13.13.42]) by adept.qualcomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.0) with ESMTP id KAA04829; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <396B4D4B.24746D39@oceana.com> References: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> <396B4D4B.24746D39@oceana.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora v4.3 for Macintosh Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:55:10 -0700 To: Ken Murchison , Tim Showalter From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 12:37 PM -0400 7/11/00, Ken Murchison wrote: > Randall Gellens wrote: >> >> In the Vacation draft: >> >> In "3.7. Restricting Replies to Automated Processes", I'd suggest >> also saying that implementations MUST NOT respond to mail that has >> any header fields which start with "List-". > > Along the same lines should we also add something like: > > ... SHOULD not respond to messages with an Auto-Submitted field with a > keyword other than "no". > > as suggested in draft-ietf-mailext-new-fields-15.txt? > > Also from the same draft, perhaps we should recommend adding an > "Auto-Submitted: auto-replied (vacation)" header. > > This functionality is already implemented in cmu-sieve. The vacation > program as packaged with sendmail uses the Auto-Submitted header as well > (although it incorrectly uses the auto-generated keyword). I don't think we should introduce dependencies on other drafts, as that will hold this one up until that one progresses. Text regarding "auto-submitted" can always be added later, when Sieve progresses. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. -- Nikita Khrushchev From owner-ietf-mta-filters Thu Jul 13 10:16:07 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04638 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04628 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ken.oceana.com by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.0) with ESMTP id e6DHHaF20164 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:17:36 -0400 Message-ID: <396DF912.8FC7077A@oceana.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:14:58 -0400 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Updated regex and subaddress drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I just sent in tweaks to these drafts. You can get them now (no pushing a shoving please!) from http://www.oceana.com/ftp/drafts/ Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04638 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04628 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ken.oceana.com by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.0) with ESMTP id e6DHHaF20164 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:17:36 -0400 Message-ID: <396DF912.8FC7077A@oceana.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:14:58 -0400 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Updated regex and subaddress drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I just sent in tweaks to these drafts. You can get them now (no pushing a shoving please!) from http://www.oceana.com/ftp/drafts/ Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24281 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adept.qualcomm.com (adept.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.41]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24277 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (vpnap-g1-013042.qualcomm.com [10.13.13.42]) by adept.qualcomm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/1.0) with ESMTP id KAA04829; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <396B4D4B.24746D39@oceana.com> References: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> <396B4D4B.24746D39@oceana.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora v4.3 for Macintosh Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:55:10 -0700 To: Ken Murchison , Tim Showalter From: Randall Gellens Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 12:37 PM -0400 7/11/00, Ken Murchison wrote: > Randall Gellens wrote: >> >> In the Vacation draft: >> >> In "3.7. Restricting Replies to Automated Processes", I'd suggest >> also saying that implementations MUST NOT respond to mail that has >> any header fields which start with "List-". > > Along the same lines should we also add something like: > > ... SHOULD not respond to messages with an Auto-Submitted field with a > keyword other than "no". > > as suggested in draft-ietf-mailext-new-fields-15.txt? > > Also from the same draft, perhaps we should recommend adding an > "Auto-Submitted: auto-replied (vacation)" header. > > This functionality is already implemented in cmu-sieve. The vacation > program as packaged with sendmail uses the Auto-Submitted header as well > (although it incorrectly uses the auto-generated keyword). I don't think we should introduce dependencies on other drafts, as that will hold this one up until that one progresses. Text regarding "auto-submitted" can always be added later, when Sieve progresses. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly-selected tag: --------------- Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. -- Nikita Khrushchev Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18778 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18772 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ken.oceana.com by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.0) with ESMTP id e6BGdwF08353; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:07 -0400 Message-ID: <396B4D4B.24746D39@oceana.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:37:31 -0400 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Showalter CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: last chance before last call on sieve and vacation References: <200005012042.AAB28001@mail.mirapoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Randall Gellens wrote: > > In the Vacation draft: > > In "3.7. Restricting Replies to Automated Processes", I'd suggest > also saying that implementations MUST NOT respond to mail that has > any header fields which start with "List-". Along the same lines should we also add something like: ... SHOULD not respond to messages with an Auto-Submitted field with a keyword other than "no". as suggested in draft-ietf-mailext-new-fields-15.txt? Also from the same draft, perhaps we should recommend adding an "Auto-Submitted: auto-replied (vacation)" header. This functionality is already implemented in cmu-sieve. The vacation program as packaged with sendmail uses the Auto-Submitted header as well (although it incorrectly uses the auto-generated keyword). Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp