From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed Nov 1 04:19:34 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09107 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h001.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.65]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA09103 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 25893 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2000 04:25:22 -0800 Received: from commercial.ucs.ed.ac.uk (HELO nige) (129.215.200.115) by smtp.swinson.com (209.228.32.65) with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 04:25:22 -0800 X-Sent: 1 Nov 2000 12:25:22 GMT Message-ID: <1c7401c043fe$a35b55c0$73c8d781@nige> From: "Nigel Swinson" To: "Alexey Melnikov" Cc: References: <39EA7C92.B8074A42@messagingdirect.com> <39F9BCD5.537B5B7D@oceana.com> <39FD0393.54A4EC9D@messagingdirect.com> <19f801c04270$5f2451c0$73c8d781@nige> <39FF3DDA.51D6D017@messagingdirect.com> Subject: Re: draft-melnikov-sieve-imapflags-04.txt Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:24:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.secondary.com id EAA09104 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > > If they are I'd go for: > > > > keep :globalflags :plus [...] > > keep :globalflags :minus [...] > > > > Which might even be better than :globalflags+ and definately better than :globalflags_plus. > > In this case it is better to have ":globalflags plus [...]" or ":globalflags minus [...]" (no colon in front of plus/minus), because it is confusing (tagged argument that requires another argument, hrrrrr ). Ah yeah, it does say in the SIEVE spec: - To simplify this specification, tagged arguments SHOULD NOT take - tagged arguments as arguments. Ok so the tagged optional argument "globalflags" may optionally take 2 arguments where both are positional. The first being "plus" / "minus", the second being a list of flags. Yeah I'd be happy with that. Nigel From owner-ietf-mta-filters Thu Nov 2 14:18:24 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14099 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14095 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAO07095; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:24:46 -0800 (PST) X-Spook: FBI Saddam Hussein quiche BATF domestic disruption Kennedy Craig Livingstone To: Ken Murchison Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> From: Tim Showalter Date: 02 Nov 2000 14:24:50 -0800 In-Reply-To: Ken Murchison's message of "Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:53:22 -0500" Message-ID: <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Ken Murchison writes: > Here's another fly in the ointment: What about 'domain-literals'? Even > [IMAIL] discourages that they be used. Should we just define the syntax > of what sieve should support in its entirety, or am I just being a pain > in the ass now? (taking a 4 year-old trick-or-treating will do that to > you :^) I really don't want to define the whole syntax. I have no problem with allowing domain literals, or, in fact, any of the comment stuff that's in 822. Those are potentially useful, and while they're discouraged, there's no real good way around them. Okay, one more time: 2.4.2.3. Addresses A number of commands call for email addresses, which are also a subset of strings. When these addresses are used in outbound contexts, addresses must be compliant with [IMAIL], but are further constrained. Using the symbols defined in [IMAIL], section 6.1, the syntax of an address is: .nf sieve-address = addr-spec ; simple address / phrase addr-spec ; name & addr-spec .fi That is, routes and group syntax are not permitted. If multiple addresses are required, use a string list. Named groups are not used here. Implementations MUST ensure that the addresses are syntactically valid, but need not ensure that they actually identify an email recipient. Tim From owner-ietf-mta-filters Thu Nov 2 17:44:19 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21606 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21602 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp4.oceana.com (authenticated) by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) with ESMTP id eA31oCF22248; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:50:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:51:01 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Showalter CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Tim Showalter wrote: > > Ken Murchison writes: > > > Here's another fly in the ointment: What about 'domain-literals'? Even > > [IMAIL] discourages that they be used. Should we just define the syntax > > of what sieve should support in its entirety, or am I just being a pain > > in the ass now? (taking a 4 year-old trick-or-treating will do that to > > you :^) > > I really don't want to define the whole syntax. > > I have no problem with allowing domain literals, or, in fact, any of the > comment stuff that's in 822. Those are potentially useful, and while > they're discouraged, there's no real good way around them. > > Okay, one more time: > > 2.4.2.3. Addresses > > A number of commands call for email addresses, which are also a subset > of strings. When these addresses are used in outbound contexts, > addresses must be compliant with [IMAIL], but are further constrained. > Using the symbols defined in [IMAIL], section 6.1, the syntax of an > address is: > > .nf > sieve-address = addr-spec ; simple address > / phrase addr-spec ; name & addr-spec > .fi > > That is, routes and group syntax are not permitted. If multiple > addresses are required, use a string list. Named groups are not used > here. > > Implementations MUST ensure that the addresses are syntactically > valid, but need not ensure that they actually identify an email > recipient. > > Tim Looks good to me. One last point (I promise :^) Are you going to use sieve-address in the formal grammar for redirect/vacation? I think just saying that addresses "are also a subset of strings" leaves room for someone to do: redirect text: Nobody (test user) . ; Do we really want to allow this? This should still parse OK, but it's pretty ugly. Maybe stating that addresses are a subset of quoted-strings would be better? Or better yet, define: addr = DQUOTE addr-spec DQUOTE ; simple address / QUOTE phrase addr-spec QUOTE ; name & addr-spec addr-list = "[" addr *("," addr) "]" / addr And 'addr' and 'addr-list' would be used in the definitions of redirect and vacation. Just a thought. Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp From owner-ietf-mta-filters Thu Nov 2 18:41:41 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23579 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu (SMTP5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.85]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23575 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from PENGUIN.ANDREW.CMU.EDU (PENGUIN.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.122.2]) (authenticated as leg with KERBEROS_V4 (56 bits)) by smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eA32m2K14641; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:48:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:48:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> From: Lawrence Greenfield X-Mailer: BatIMail version 3.2 To: Tim Showalter , Ken Murchison Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org In-reply-to: <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:51:01 -0500 From: Ken Murchison One last point (I promise :^) Are you going to use sieve-address in the formal grammar for redirect/vacation? I think just saying that addresses "are also a subset of strings" leaves room for someone to do: redirect text: Nobody (test user) . ; Do we really want to allow this? This should still parse OK, but it's pretty ugly. Maybe stating that addresses are a subset of quoted-strings would be better? Or better yet, define: I don't think we should care about ugliness. It's ugly but it's a legal address with a single interpretation, so it's fine. We want the least sane rules, not the prettiest addresses. Larry From owner-ietf-mta-filters Thu Nov 2 19:08:31 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24514 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24509 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) id eA33EOX24813; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:14:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.oceana.com: nobody set sender to ken@oceana.com using -f To: Lawrence Greenfield Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion Message-ID: <973221264.3a022d90350c3@home.oceana.com> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:14:24 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Murchison Cc: Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Quoting Lawrence Greenfield : > Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:51:01 -0500 > From: Ken Murchison > > One last point (I promise :^) Are you going to use sieve-address in > the > formal grammar for redirect/vacation? I think just saying that > addresses "are also a subset > of strings" leaves room for someone to do: > > redirect text: > Nobody > (test user) > > . > ; > > Do we really want to allow this? This should still parse OK, but > it's > pretty ugly. Maybe stating that addresses are a subset of > quoted-strings would be better? Or better yet, define: > > I don't think we should care about ugliness. It's ugly but it's a legal > address with a single interpretation, so it's fine. > > We want the least sane rules, not the prettiest addresses. Fine. BTW, I verified that cmu-sieve can handle this. I was confident that the script would be parsed OK, but was pleasently surprised that sendmail was able to accept an address with CRLF in it. Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri Nov 3 08:13:33 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03638 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03631 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ken.oceana.com (authenticated) by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) with ESMTP id eA3GJUF18677; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:19:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3A02E54E.80E9BA72@oceana.com> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:18:22 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Showalter CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Tim Showalter wrote: > > Okay, one more time: > > 2.4.2.3. Addresses > > A number of commands call for email addresses, which are also a subset > of strings. When these addresses are used in outbound contexts, > addresses must be compliant with [IMAIL], but are further constrained. > Using the symbols defined in [IMAIL], section 6.1, the syntax of an > address is: > > .nf > sieve-address = addr-spec ; simple address > / phrase addr-spec ; name & addr-spec > .fi Just looked at this one last time. I don't know if this is an nroff fart or an oversight, but the grammar should be: sieve-address = addr-spec ; simple address / phrase "<" addr-spec ">" ; name & addr-spec You might already have the "< >" in your source, but just wanted to make sure. Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri Nov 3 13:18:33 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18206 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18202 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAO11804; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) X-Spook: Mena SCUD missile Croatian assassination World Trade Center militia Kenneth Starr To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> From: Tim Showalter Date: 03 Nov 2000 13:25:05 -0800 In-Reply-To: Lawrence Greenfield's message of "Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:48:02 -0500" Message-ID: <7dwvekoij2.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 7 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Lawrence Greenfield writes: > We want the least sane rules, not the prettiest addresses. agreed. Tim From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri Nov 3 17:08:26 2000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23701 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23697 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAO12893; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-Spook: PLO Kibo [Hello to all my fans in domestic surveillance] Delta Force Mossad Kennedy Area 51 To: "Nigel Swinson" Cc: "Alexey Melnikov" , Subject: Re: draft-melnikov-sieve-imapflags-04.txt References: <39EA7C92.B8074A42@messagingdirect.com> <39F9BCD5.537B5B7D@oceana.com> <39FD0393.54A4EC9D@messagingdirect.com> <19f801c04270$5f2451c0$73c8d781@nige> <39FF3DDA.51D6D017@messagingdirect.com> <1c7401c043fe$a35b55c0$73c8d781@nige> From: Tim Showalter Date: 03 Nov 2000 17:14:59 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Nigel Swinson"'s message of "Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:24:09 -0000" Message-ID: <7d7l6ko7vw.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 94 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Also, I am strongly in favor of showing empty flags as [], not as NIL or "". NIL is syntactically an identifier, and requires a grammar change; "" is not a valid IMAP flag, but it looks like a string. I really hate :flags "". "Nigel Swinson" writes: > > > If they are I'd go for: > > > > > > keep :globalflags :plus [...] > > > keep :globalflags :minus [...] > > > > > > Which might even be better than :globalflags+ and definately > > > better than :globalflags_plus. > > > > In this case it is better to have ":globalflags plus [...]" or > > ":globalflags minus [...]" (no colon in front of plus/minus), > > because it is confusing (tagged argument that requires another > > argument, hrrrrr ). > > Ah yeah, it does say in the SIEVE spec: > - To simplify this specification, tagged arguments SHOULD NOT take > - tagged arguments as arguments. > > Ok so the tagged optional argument "globalflags" may optionally take 2 > arguments where both are positional. The first being "plus" / > "minus", the second being a list of flags. Yeah I'd be happy with > that. :globalflags minus requires a grammar change. Syntactically, the bare word "minus" (i.e., no quotes) is an identifier, and cannot occur as a part of a command. Personally, I'm opposed to global flags unless the mechanism used to manipulate them is generic, applies to lists of strings, and the global list of flags is just a global variable. We're going to have to end up with variables, they're mostly going to need to be lists of strings, and we're going to end up duplicating all of the functionality in the flags document. We're going to need remove-items and add-items. Because of the way we'll probably end up adding variables (all string-lists can now be variables) we're going to end up with all of this functionality available to the flags extension, and duplicating it. :globalflags_plus is basically contatination (but the items must be unique); :globalflags_minus is removal. How can I temporarily clear the global flags list, or temporarily and conditionally modify it? Why is there only one global flags list? I'm in favor of a very abridged flag mechanism: a ":flags" parameter that takes a string-list as an argument. I'm pretty sure that given basic list operations that variables will require, plus a likely $global_flags variable, everything else will follow naturally from that. (We'd need list contatination, addition, and removal, and we'd need to make it non-destructive.) Can someone give me a napkin drawing on how global flags are supposed to look in a UI? Are we really sure this can't wait until we get some real programming language features? I would be glad to do the work to see this through after the base spec is done. Why does the global flags list have to be explicitally turned on? Would leaving it on all the time and doing :noglobalflags be an improvement? If we must have global flags in this document, leave out :globalflags_plus, and do it instead with :globalflags :flags. This violates part of section 4, but that can be easily fixed. Can someone send an example for :globalflags_minus? I think it should be left out entirely until we can do variables. If we have to have it, we could call it :globalflagsexcept. Also, the example addflag "foo"; fileinto :flags "foo" :globalflags_minus "foo"; MUST store the flag "foo". (Explit "foo" stores the flag, :globalflags_minus "foo" temporarily clears it from the globals list but the explicit mention wins). I like mark and unmark in principle, but because this is an IMAP-only document, they should be dropped. How to do mark and unmark with IMAP is basically well-known (:flags "\\Flagged"), and should be left for some future "general" flags extension, if necessary. 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From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed Nov 8 12:39:13 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23702 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnwchcm6.cnw.co.nz (mail2.cardinal.co.nz [143.96.9.53]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23698 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnwchcs26.cnw.co.nz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cnwchcm6.cnw.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15518 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:45:21 +1300 Received: from cnwrjp1a (cnwrjp1a.cnw.co.nz [143.96.130.52]) by cnwchcs26.cnw.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18797 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:45:20 +1300 Message-ID: <017301c049c4$d0e01d20$3482608f@cnw.co.nz> From: "Roland Pope" To: References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> <973221264.3a022d90350c3@home.oceana.com> Subject: Redirects that create mail loops Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:45:22 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To quote from the RFC. Implementations SHOULD take measures to implement loop control, possibly including adding headers to the message or counting received headers. If an implementation detects a loop, it causes an error. What sort of error should this cause? Should a message be generated back to the sender saying that a mail loop was detected? It would appear in the current Cyrus 1.6.24 implementation, mails are silently deleted on loop detection. Should there be an explicit definiton of how this sort of error should be handled Eg. DSN? Thanks Roland Pope From owner-ietf-mta-filters Wed Nov 8 14:21:07 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25961 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25957 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:21:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAO29830; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:27:53 -0800 (PST) X-Spook: Monica Lewinsky cypherpunk radar security quiche Noriega colonel To: "Roland Pope" Cc: Subject: Re: Redirects that create mail loops References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> <973221264.3a022d90350c3@home.oceana.com> <017301c049c4$d0e01d20$3482608f@cnw.co.nz> From: Tim Showalter Date: 08 Nov 2000 14:28:01 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Roland Pope"'s message of "Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:45:22 +1300" Message-ID: <7d1ywmksjy.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: "Roland Pope" writes: > To quote from the RFC. What RFC? > > Implementations SHOULD take measures to implement loop control, > possibly including adding headers to the message or counting received > headers. If an implementation detects a loop, it causes an error. > > > What sort of error should this cause? Should a message be generated back to > the sender saying that a mail loop was detected? It would appear in the > current Cyrus 1.6.24 implementation, mails are silently deleted on loop > detection. Should there be an explicit definiton of how this sort of error > should be handled Eg. DSN? It's not reasonable to throw the message away; 2.10.6 requires (MUST) notification and an implicit keep. I'm not sure what, if anything, needs to be changed, although the loop text can probably be improved. 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X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Mills CC: info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu, ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Gary Mills wrote: > > Eurika! I finally got a vacation response. Here's the problem: > My sieve script looked like this... > > require ["fileinto","vacation"]; > > vacation :days 4 :addresses ["mills@testing.umanitoba.ca", "mills@mail.testing.umanitoba.ca"] "Testing vacation for the next week"; > > My test messages were sent to ``mills@cc.UManitoba.CA''. When I changed > the addresses in the sieve script to have the four upper-case characters, > I got my first ever vacation response. Sendmail rewrites all of our > addresses in that format. However, case should not matter in hostnames. > Lmtpd should be doing a case-independant comparison! I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure that I don't break anything else. Issues that come to mind: - do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the domain? - should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and :addresses)? Any thoughts? Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri Nov 17 09:01:43 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29265 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu (SMTP5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.85]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29261 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fe1.andrew.cmu.edu (MAIL-FE1.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.171]) (authenticated as leg with KERBEROS_V4 (56 bits)) by smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAHH9DK21559; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:09:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:09:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200011171709.eAHH9DK21559@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> From: Lawrence Greenfield X-Mailer: BatIMail version 3.2 To: Ken Murchison Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org, info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu In-reply-to: <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I thought we already did this correctly, so I'm surprised we ran into this. The host part is always case-insensitive. The local part is case sensitive in cyrus (thus all the griping about leg+Foo not working) and needs to be compared in a case-sensitive fashion. (The local part isn't always case-sensitive, so other systems might do things differently.) This should go for all address comparisons internal. Explicit address comparisons, like "address" or "envelope", the user is given a chance to select a comparator and we should just use that comparator. Larry Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:50:32 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Gary Mills wrote: > > Eurika! I finally got a vacation response. Here's the problem: > My sieve script looked like this... > > require ["fileinto","vacation"]; > > vacation :days 4 :addresses ["mills@testing.umanitoba.ca", "mills@mail.testing.umanitoba.ca"] "Testing vacation for the next week"; > > My test messages were sent to ``mills@cc.UManitoba.CA''. When I changed > the addresses in the sieve script to have the four upper-case characters, > I got my first ever vacation response. Sendmail rewrites all of our > addresses in that format. However, case should not matter in hostnames. > Lmtpd should be doing a case-independant comparison! I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure that I don't break anything else. Issues that come to mind: - do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the domain? - should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and :addresses)? Any thoughts? Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri Nov 17 09:08:14 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29568 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29563 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ken.oceana.com (authenticated) by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) with ESMTP id eAHHFLs22880; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:15:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3A156746.6524054@oceana.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:13:42 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lawrence Greenfield CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org, info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> <200011171709.eAHH9DK21559@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Lawrence Greenfield wrote: > > I thought we already did this correctly, so I'm surprised we ran into > this. I ran some tests myself with vacation, and it IS case-dependent w.r.t domain. Take a look at look_for_me() and the VACATION case in eval() (in script.c). > The host part is always case-insensitive. The local part is case > sensitive in cyrus (thus all the griping about leg+Foo not working) > and needs to be compared in a case-sensitive fashion. > (The local part isn't always case-sensitive, so other systems might do > things differently.) > > This should go for all address comparisons internal. Explicit address > comparisons, like "address" or "envelope", the user is given a chance > to select a comparator and we should just use that comparator. I agree. Should I go ahead and create an address comparison function (as mentioned in the comments) and use this instead of strcmp()? Ken > Larry > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:50:32 -0500 > From: Ken Murchison > > Gary Mills wrote: > > > > Eurika! I finally got a vacation response. Here's the problem: > > My sieve script looked like this... > > > > require ["fileinto","vacation"]; > > > > vacation :days 4 :addresses ["mills@testing.umanitoba.ca", "mills@mail.testing.umanitoba.ca"] "Testing vacation for the next week"; > > > > My test messages were sent to ``mills@cc.UManitoba.CA''. When I changed > > the addresses in the sieve script to have the four upper-case characters, > > I got my first ever vacation response. Sendmail rewrites all of our > > addresses in that format. However, case should not matter in hostnames. > > Lmtpd should be doing a case-independant comparison! > > I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure > that I don't break anything else. > > Issues that come to mind: > > - do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the > domain? > - should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing > envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and > :addresses)? > > Any thoughts? > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. > Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place > 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 > --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri Nov 17 09:07:03 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29510 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (root@electra.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.23]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29503 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:07:01 -0800 (PST) From: mills@cc.UManitoba.CA Received: from zavijava.cc.umanitoba.ca (mills@zavijava.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.30]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA02555 ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:14:30 -0600 (CST) Received: (from mills@localhost) by zavijava.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA26879 ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:14:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:14:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200011171714.LAA26879@zavijava.cc.umanitoba.ca> To: ken@oceana.com Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org, info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Kenneth Murchison writes: > >I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure >that I don't break anything else. Yes, I'm just about to change a few strcmp() to strcasecmp() in my copy of sieve/script.c and test it. >Issues that come to mind: > >- do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the >domain? >- should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing >envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and >:addresses)? I notice a comment: /* first, is it from me? really should use a compare_address function */ That might be a good idea, and yes, the same comparison should be used everywhere to be consistent. As for the left-hand-side right-hand-side question, I notice that the standard vacation program, or at least the Solaris version, only compares the left-hand-side of an e-mail address. In fact, it only wants userids on the command line, not complete e-mail addresses. This behavior may only be because of the antiquity of the program. There are some comments in the BSD source on this. If sieve is to compare the right-hand-side, it should do it in a case-independant manner because domain names are supposed to be case-independant. A quick fix and reasonably adequate solution would be to use strcasecmp() for the entire e-mail address. An exact solution would be to compare the left-hand-side in a manner consistent with Cyrus' handling of mailbox names. -- -Gary Mills- -Unix Support- -U of M Academic Computing and Networking- From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri Nov 17 09:18:39 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00464 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00460 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.4) with ESMTP id MAA20542 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com ([135.197.90.103]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <20001117172547099005qh1ne> (Authid: tony@maillennium.att.com); Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:25:47 +0000 Message-ID: <3A156A4D.6A250C04@att.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:26:37 -0500 From: Tony Hansen Organization: AT&T Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Murchison CC: Gary Mills , info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu, ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: See below: Ken Murchison wrote: > > Gary Mills wrote: > > > > Eurika! I finally got a vacation response. Here's the problem: > > My sieve script looked like this... > > > > require ["fileinto","vacation"]; > > > > vacation :days 4 :addresses ["mills@testing.umanitoba.ca", "mills@mail.testing.umanitoba.ca"] "Testing vacation for the next week"; > > > > My test messages were sent to ``mills@cc.UManitoba.CA''. When I changed > > the addresses in the sieve script to have the four upper-case characters, > > I got my first ever vacation response. Sendmail rewrites all of our > > addresses in that format. However, case should not matter in hostnames. > > Lmtpd should be doing a case-independant comparison! > > I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure > that I don't break anything else. > > Issues that come to mind: > > - do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the > domain? Technically the answer is: domain: yes, the rest: it depends on the mail implementation. Does the mail system treat usernames as case independent (most do these days)? If so, your sieve processor should do likewise. > - should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing > envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and > :addresses)? ditto > Any thoughts? > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. > Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place > 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 > --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri Nov 17 09:26:40 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00637 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00632 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ken.oceana.com (authenticated) by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) with ESMTP id eAHHXns23530 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:33:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3A156B9A.E2BAD51C@oceana.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:32:10 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> <3A156A4D.6A250C04@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Unless anyone disagrees with what's been said so far, I'm going to take the implementation-specific stuff offline (sorry for my previous SPAM). Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp From owner-ietf-mta-filters Thu Nov 23 08:10:31 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22999 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from unica.cu (IDENT:root@ns.unica.cu [216.72.25.117]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22988 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from michelle (unica2.unica.cu [216.72.25.115]) by unica.cu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17161 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:57:28 -0500 Message-ID: <01ab01c05568$cb7c88f0$731948d8@unica.cu> Reply-To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" To: "Sieve List" Subject: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:16:54 -0500 Organization: UNICA/CENTIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I use sendmail as MTA and cyrus imap server... how can i filter message that came fron any user and go to a domain in specific...using sieve language example i want to filter all mesage that go to the domain ".xxx", it's posible that? if it is, how can i do it? =========================== Lic. Jorge A. Rodríguez Suárez Grupo de Administracion de Redes. Universidad de Ciego de Avila. CUBA, email: jars@unica.cu =========================== From owner-ietf-mta-filters Thu Nov 23 07:40:16 2000 Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19218 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from unica.cu (IDENT:root@ns.unica.cu [216.72.25.117]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19214 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from michelle (unica2.unica.cu [216.72.25.115]) by unica.cu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16821 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:27:09 -0500 Message-ID: <019901c05564$8f1f0800$731948d8@unica.cu> Reply-To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" To: "Sieve List" Subject: Question? Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:46:35 -0500 Organization: UNICA/CENTIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hello friends? can i filter all out message asking for the domain they are directed, and if yes how can i do it? example: i want reject all message that contain ".xx" in the "to" field of the header, i want that this script run in a high level, not at user level. thanks... =========================== Lic. Jorge A. Rodríguez Suárez Grupo de Administracion de Redes. Universidad de Ciego de Avila. CUBA, email: jars@unica.cu =========================== From owner-ietf-mta-filters Fri Nov 24 03:12:27 2000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09601 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h000.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.64]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA09587 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 13283 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2000 03:12:52 -0800 Received: from commercial.ucs.ed.ac.uk (HELO nige) (129.215.200.115) by smtp.swinson.com (209.228.32.64) with SMTP; 24 Nov 2000 03:12:52 -0800 X-Sent: 24 Nov 2000 11:12:52 GMT Message-ID: <051301c05607$47fc70e0$73c8d781@nige> From: "Nigel Swinson" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" Cc: References: <019901c05564$8f1f0800$731948d8@unica.cu> Subject: Re: Question? Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:11:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0510_01C05607.4738D2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0510_01C05607.4738D2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the attention of Jorge, Cc'ed to list to indicate "Case closed" Hello friends? Hi there. can i filter all out message asking for the domain they are directed, = and if yes how can i do it? example: i want reject all message that contain ".xx" in the "to" field of the header, i want that this script run in a high level, not at user = level. I'm finding it a little difficult to understand your English, but I = think this is what you are after... # Select all messages with an address in the "To" header that has the = wildcard # string *.xx as the domain. if (address :domain :matches "To" "*.xx") { # Do something. } how can i filter message that came fron any user and go to a domain in specific...using sieve language example i want to filter all mesage that go to the domain ".xxx", it's posible that? if it is, how can i do it? This is a slightly different question, as if a persion is Cc'ed or = Bcc'ed then the message will also go to that domain, so you want... # Select all messages with an address in the "To", "Bcc" or "Cc" headers = # that has the wildcard string *.xxx as the domain. if (address :domain :matches ["To","Cc","Bcc"] "*.xxx") { # Do something. } Hope this helps. Nigel ------=_NextPart_000_0510_01C05607.4738D2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the attention of Jorge, Cc'ed to = list to=20 indicate "Case closed"
Hello = friends?
Hi there.
can i filter all out message asking = for the=20 domain they are directed, and if
yes how can i do=20 it?

example:

i want reject all message that contain = ".xx" in the=20 "to" field of the
header, i want that this script run in a high = level, not=20 at user level.
I'm finding it a little difficult to = understand=20 your English, but I think this is what you are after...
 
# Select all messages = with an=20 address in the "To" header that has the wildcard
# string *.xx as the=20 domain.
if (address :domain :matches "To" = "*.xx")=20 {
    # Do=20 something.
}
how can i filter message that came = fron any user=20 and go to a domain in
specific...using sieve = language

example i want=20 to filter all mesage that go to the domain ".xxx", it's
posible=20 that?

if it is, how can i do it?
This is a slightly different question, = as if a=20 persion is Cc'ed or Bcc'ed then the message will also go to that domain, = so you=20 want...
 
# Select all messages = with an=20 address in the "To", "Bcc" or "Cc" headers
# that has the = wildcard string=20 *.xxx as the domain.
if (address :domain :matches = ["To","Cc","Bcc"]=20 "*.xxx") {
    # Do=20 something.
}

Hope this helps.
 
Nigel
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In-Reply-To: <051301c05607$47fc70e0$73c8d781@nige> References: <019901c05564$8f1f0800$731948d8@unica.cu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi: I'm using Software.com's Kx which implements SIEVE and would like (at user level) to foward only the subject line to another email address. This we are interested since some of our users would like to receive this info on their cellphones. I was reading thru the SIEVE docs but found no provision for this. Thanks. If I hear my Soul singing, I'll know Peace. If I look into my Heart and see a rose, I'll know Love. 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Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21330 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 06:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv16.cwpanama.net (sv16.cwpanama.net [206.128.192.216]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21325 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 06:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ysanson.cwpanama.net ([206.128.192.198]) by sv16.cwpanama.net (InterMail vK.4.03.01.00 201-232-122 license fd2d3816a3c4cd957d2abb3db7e32a12) with ESMTP id <20001124140635.PIRP5989.sv16@ysanson.cwpanama.net> for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:06:35 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001124084558.00e36810@cwpanama.net> X-Sender: ysanson@cwpanama.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:06:18 -0500 To: From: Yanuly Sanson Subject: How can I foward the Subject line using SIEVE? In-Reply-To: <051301c05607$47fc70e0$73c8d781@nige> References: <019901c05564$8f1f0800$731948d8@unica.cu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi: I'm using Software.com's Kx which implements SIEVE and would like (at user level) to foward only the subject line to another email address. This we are interested since some of our users would like to receive this info on their cellphones. I was reading thru the SIEVE docs but found no provision for this. Thanks. If I hear my Soul singing, I'll know Peace. If I look into my Heart and see a rose, I'll know Love. If I see beauty in everything I'll walk in Paradise. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yanuly Sanson - Cable and Wireless Internet Panama - (507)264-2238 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09601 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h000.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.64]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA09587 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 03:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 13283 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2000 03:12:52 -0800 Received: from commercial.ucs.ed.ac.uk (HELO nige) (129.215.200.115) by smtp.swinson.com (209.228.32.64) with SMTP; 24 Nov 2000 03:12:52 -0800 X-Sent: 24 Nov 2000 11:12:52 GMT Message-ID: <051301c05607$47fc70e0$73c8d781@nige> From: "Nigel Swinson" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" Cc: References: <019901c05564$8f1f0800$731948d8@unica.cu> Subject: Re: Question? Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:11:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0510_01C05607.4738D2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0510_01C05607.4738D2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the attention of Jorge, Cc'ed to list to indicate "Case closed" Hello friends? Hi there. can i filter all out message asking for the domain they are directed, = and if yes how can i do it? example: i want reject all message that contain ".xx" in the "to" field of the header, i want that this script run in a high level, not at user = level. I'm finding it a little difficult to understand your English, but I = think this is what you are after... # Select all messages with an address in the "To" header that has the = wildcard # string *.xx as the domain. if (address :domain :matches "To" "*.xx") { # Do something. } how can i filter message that came fron any user and go to a domain in specific...using sieve language example i want to filter all mesage that go to the domain ".xxx", it's posible that? if it is, how can i do it? This is a slightly different question, as if a persion is Cc'ed or = Bcc'ed then the message will also go to that domain, so you want... # Select all messages with an address in the "To", "Bcc" or "Cc" headers = # that has the wildcard string *.xxx as the domain. if (address :domain :matches ["To","Cc","Bcc"] "*.xxx") { # Do something. } Hope this helps. Nigel ------=_NextPart_000_0510_01C05607.4738D2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the attention of Jorge, Cc'ed to = list to=20 indicate "Case closed"
Hello = friends?
Hi there.
can i filter all out message asking = for the=20 domain they are directed, and if
yes how can i do=20 it?

example:

i want reject all message that contain = ".xx" in the=20 "to" field of the
header, i want that this script run in a high = level, not=20 at user level.
I'm finding it a little difficult to = understand=20 your English, but I think this is what you are after...
 
# Select all messages = with an=20 address in the "To" header that has the wildcard
# string *.xx as the=20 domain.
if (address :domain :matches "To" = "*.xx")=20 {
    # Do=20 something.
}
how can i filter message that came = fron any user=20 and go to a domain in
specific...using sieve = language

example i want=20 to filter all mesage that go to the domain ".xxx", it's
posible=20 that?

if it is, how can i do it?
This is a slightly different question, = as if a=20 persion is Cc'ed or Bcc'ed then the message will also go to that domain, = so you=20 want...
 
# Select all messages = with an=20 address in the "To", "Bcc" or "Cc" headers
# that has the = wildcard string=20 *.xxx as the domain.
if (address :domain :matches = ["To","Cc","Bcc"]=20 "*.xxx") {
    # Do=20 something.
}

Hope this helps.
 
Nigel
------=_NextPart_000_0510_01C05607.4738D2C0-- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22999 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from unica.cu (IDENT:root@ns.unica.cu [216.72.25.117]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22988 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from michelle (unica2.unica.cu [216.72.25.115]) by unica.cu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17161 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:57:28 -0500 Message-ID: <01ab01c05568$cb7c88f0$731948d8@unica.cu> Reply-To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" To: "Sieve List" Subject: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:16:54 -0500 Organization: UNICA/CENTIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I use sendmail as MTA and cyrus imap server... how can i filter message that came fron any user and go to a domain in specific...using sieve language example i want to filter all mesage that go to the domain ".xxx", it's posible that? if it is, how can i do it? =========================== Lic. Jorge A. Rodríguez Suárez Grupo de Administracion de Redes. Universidad de Ciego de Avila. CUBA, email: jars@unica.cu =========================== Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19218 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from unica.cu (IDENT:root@ns.unica.cu [216.72.25.117]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19214 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from michelle (unica2.unica.cu [216.72.25.115]) by unica.cu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16821 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:27:09 -0500 Message-ID: <019901c05564$8f1f0800$731948d8@unica.cu> Reply-To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jorge_A._Rodr=EDguez_Su=E1rez.?=" To: "Sieve List" Subject: Question? Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:46:35 -0500 Organization: UNICA/CENTIC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hello friends? can i filter all out message asking for the domain they are directed, and if yes how can i do it? example: i want reject all message that contain ".xx" in the "to" field of the header, i want that this script run in a high level, not at user level. thanks... =========================== Lic. Jorge A. Rodríguez Suárez Grupo de Administracion de Redes. Universidad de Ciego de Avila. CUBA, email: jars@unica.cu =========================== Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00637 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00632 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ken.oceana.com (authenticated) by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) with ESMTP id eAHHXns23530 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:33:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3A156B9A.E2BAD51C@oceana.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:32:10 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> <3A156A4D.6A250C04@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Unless anyone disagrees with what's been said so far, I'm going to take the implementation-specific stuff offline (sorry for my previous SPAM). Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00464 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00460 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.4) with ESMTP id MAA20542 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com ([135.197.90.103]) by maillennium.att.com (labmail) with SMTP id <20001117172547099005qh1ne> (Authid: tony@maillennium.att.com); Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:25:47 +0000 Message-ID: <3A156A4D.6A250C04@att.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:26:37 -0500 From: Tony Hansen Organization: AT&T Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Murchison CC: Gary Mills , info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu, ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: See below: Ken Murchison wrote: > > Gary Mills wrote: > > > > Eurika! I finally got a vacation response. Here's the problem: > > My sieve script looked like this... > > > > require ["fileinto","vacation"]; > > > > vacation :days 4 :addresses ["mills@testing.umanitoba.ca", "mills@mail.testing.umanitoba.ca"] "Testing vacation for the next week"; > > > > My test messages were sent to ``mills@cc.UManitoba.CA''. When I changed > > the addresses in the sieve script to have the four upper-case characters, > > I got my first ever vacation response. Sendmail rewrites all of our > > addresses in that format. However, case should not matter in hostnames. > > Lmtpd should be doing a case-independant comparison! > > I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure > that I don't break anything else. > > Issues that come to mind: > > - do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the > domain? Technically the answer is: domain: yes, the rest: it depends on the mail implementation. Does the mail system treat usernames as case independent (most do these days)? If so, your sieve processor should do likewise. > - should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing > envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and > :addresses)? ditto > Any thoughts? > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. > Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place > 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 > --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29568 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29563 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ken.oceana.com (authenticated) by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) with ESMTP id eAHHFLs22880; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:15:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3A156746.6524054@oceana.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:13:42 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lawrence Greenfield CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org, info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> <200011171709.eAHH9DK21559@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Lawrence Greenfield wrote: > > I thought we already did this correctly, so I'm surprised we ran into > this. I ran some tests myself with vacation, and it IS case-dependent w.r.t domain. Take a look at look_for_me() and the VACATION case in eval() (in script.c). > The host part is always case-insensitive. The local part is case > sensitive in cyrus (thus all the griping about leg+Foo not working) > and needs to be compared in a case-sensitive fashion. > (The local part isn't always case-sensitive, so other systems might do > things differently.) > > This should go for all address comparisons internal. Explicit address > comparisons, like "address" or "envelope", the user is given a chance > to select a comparator and we should just use that comparator. I agree. Should I go ahead and create an address comparison function (as mentioned in the comments) and use this instead of strcmp()? Ken > Larry > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:50:32 -0500 > From: Ken Murchison > > Gary Mills wrote: > > > > Eurika! I finally got a vacation response. Here's the problem: > > My sieve script looked like this... > > > > require ["fileinto","vacation"]; > > > > vacation :days 4 :addresses ["mills@testing.umanitoba.ca", "mills@mail.testing.umanitoba.ca"] "Testing vacation for the next week"; > > > > My test messages were sent to ``mills@cc.UManitoba.CA''. When I changed > > the addresses in the sieve script to have the four upper-case characters, > > I got my first ever vacation response. Sendmail rewrites all of our > > addresses in that format. However, case should not matter in hostnames. > > Lmtpd should be doing a case-independant comparison! > > I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure > that I don't break anything else. > > Issues that come to mind: > > - do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the > domain? > - should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing > envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and > :addresses)? > > Any thoughts? > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. > Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place > 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 > --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29510 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (root@electra.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.23]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29503 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:07:01 -0800 (PST) From: mills@cc.UManitoba.CA Received: from zavijava.cc.umanitoba.ca (mills@zavijava.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.30]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA02555 ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:14:30 -0600 (CST) Received: (from mills@localhost) by zavijava.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA26879 ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:14:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:14:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200011171714.LAA26879@zavijava.cc.umanitoba.ca> To: ken@oceana.com Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org, info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Kenneth Murchison writes: > >I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure >that I don't break anything else. Yes, I'm just about to change a few strcmp() to strcasecmp() in my copy of sieve/script.c and test it. >Issues that come to mind: > >- do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the >domain? >- should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing >envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and >:addresses)? I notice a comment: /* first, is it from me? really should use a compare_address function */ That might be a good idea, and yes, the same comparison should be used everywhere to be consistent. As for the left-hand-side right-hand-side question, I notice that the standard vacation program, or at least the Solaris version, only compares the left-hand-side of an e-mail address. In fact, it only wants userids on the command line, not complete e-mail addresses. This behavior may only be because of the antiquity of the program. There are some comments in the BSD source on this. If sieve is to compare the right-hand-side, it should do it in a case-independant manner because domain names are supposed to be case-independant. A quick fix and reasonably adequate solution would be to use strcasecmp() for the entire e-mail address. An exact solution would be to compare the left-hand-side in a manner consistent with Cyrus' handling of mailbox names. -- -Gary Mills- -Unix Support- -U of M Academic Computing and Networking- Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29265 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu (SMTP5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.85]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29261 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fe1.andrew.cmu.edu (MAIL-FE1.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.171]) (authenticated as leg with KERBEROS_V4 (56 bits)) by smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eAHH9DK21559; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:09:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:09:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200011171709.eAHH9DK21559@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> From: Lawrence Greenfield X-Mailer: BatIMail version 3.2 To: Ken Murchison Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org, info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu In-reply-to: <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I thought we already did this correctly, so I'm surprised we ran into this. The host part is always case-insensitive. The local part is case sensitive in cyrus (thus all the griping about leg+Foo not working) and needs to be compared in a case-sensitive fashion. (The local part isn't always case-sensitive, so other systems might do things differently.) This should go for all address comparisons internal. Explicit address comparisons, like "address" or "envelope", the user is given a chance to select a comparator and we should just use that comparator. Larry Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:50:32 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Gary Mills wrote: > > Eurika! I finally got a vacation response. Here's the problem: > My sieve script looked like this... > > require ["fileinto","vacation"]; > > vacation :days 4 :addresses ["mills@testing.umanitoba.ca", "mills@mail.testing.umanitoba.ca"] "Testing vacation for the next week"; > > My test messages were sent to ``mills@cc.UManitoba.CA''. When I changed > the addresses in the sieve script to have the four upper-case characters, > I got my first ever vacation response. Sendmail rewrites all of our > addresses in that format. However, case should not matter in hostnames. > Lmtpd should be doing a case-independant comparison! I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure that I don't break anything else. Issues that come to mind: - do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the domain? - should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and :addresses)? Any thoughts? Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27402 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27392 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ken.oceana.com (authenticated) by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) with ESMTP id eAHGqAs22119; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:52:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3A1561D8.57BFB5B2@oceana.com> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:50:32 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Mills CC: info-cyrus@andrew.cmu.edu, ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: Sieve redirect works but vacation doesn't References: <200011170507.XAA21532@wasat.cc.umanitoba.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Gary Mills wrote: > > Eurika! I finally got a vacation response. Here's the problem: > My sieve script looked like this... > > require ["fileinto","vacation"]; > > vacation :days 4 :addresses ["mills@testing.umanitoba.ca", "mills@mail.testing.umanitoba.ca"] "Testing vacation for the next week"; > > My test messages were sent to ``mills@cc.UManitoba.CA''. When I changed > the addresses in the sieve script to have the four upper-case characters, > I got my first ever vacation response. Sendmail rewrites all of our > addresses in that format. However, case should not matter in hostnames. > Lmtpd should be doing a case-independant comparison! I think you're right, but before I make any changes, I want to make sure that I don't break anything else. Issues that come to mind: - do we compare the entire addresses case-independently or just the domain? - should the same be done for loop control mechanisms (ie, comparing envelope 'from' and envelope 'to', or comparing envelope 'from' and :addresses)? Any thoughts? Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. 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What RFC? > > Implementations SHOULD take measures to implement loop control, > possibly including adding headers to the message or counting received > headers. If an implementation detects a loop, it causes an error. > > > What sort of error should this cause? Should a message be generated back to > the sender saying that a mail loop was detected? It would appear in the > current Cyrus 1.6.24 implementation, mails are silently deleted on loop > detection. Should there be an explicit definiton of how this sort of error > should be handled Eg. DSN? It's not reasonable to throw the message away; 2.10.6 requires (MUST) notification and an implicit keep. I'm not sure what, if anything, needs to be changed, although the loop text can probably be improved. Tim Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23702 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:39:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnwchcm6.cnw.co.nz (mail2.cardinal.co.nz [143.96.9.53]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23698 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnwchcs26.cnw.co.nz (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cnwchcm6.cnw.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15518 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:45:21 +1300 Received: from cnwrjp1a (cnwrjp1a.cnw.co.nz [143.96.130.52]) by cnwchcs26.cnw.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18797 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:45:20 +1300 Message-ID: <017301c049c4$d0e01d20$3482608f@cnw.co.nz> From: "Roland Pope" To: References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> <973221264.3a022d90350c3@home.oceana.com> Subject: Redirects that create mail loops Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:45:22 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To quote from the RFC. Implementations SHOULD take measures to implement loop control, possibly including adding headers to the message or counting received headers. If an implementation detects a loop, it causes an error. What sort of error should this cause? Should a message be generated back to the sender saying that a mail loop was detected? It would appear in the current Cyrus 1.6.24 implementation, mails are silently deleted on loop detection. Should there be an explicit definiton of how this sort of error should be handled Eg. DSN? 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Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23701 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23697 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAO12893; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-Spook: PLO Kibo [Hello to all my fans in domestic surveillance] Delta Force Mossad Kennedy Area 51 To: "Nigel Swinson" Cc: "Alexey Melnikov" , Subject: Re: draft-melnikov-sieve-imapflags-04.txt References: <39EA7C92.B8074A42@messagingdirect.com> <39F9BCD5.537B5B7D@oceana.com> <39FD0393.54A4EC9D@messagingdirect.com> <19f801c04270$5f2451c0$73c8d781@nige> <39FF3DDA.51D6D017@messagingdirect.com> <1c7401c043fe$a35b55c0$73c8d781@nige> From: Tim Showalter Date: 03 Nov 2000 17:14:59 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Nigel Swinson"'s message of "Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:24:09 -0000" Message-ID: <7d7l6ko7vw.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 94 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Also, I am strongly in favor of showing empty flags as [], not as NIL or "". NIL is syntactically an identifier, and requires a grammar change; "" is not a valid IMAP flag, but it looks like a string. I really hate :flags "". "Nigel Swinson" writes: > > > If they are I'd go for: > > > > > > keep :globalflags :plus [...] > > > keep :globalflags :minus [...] > > > > > > Which might even be better than :globalflags+ and definately > > > better than :globalflags_plus. > > > > In this case it is better to have ":globalflags plus [...]" or > > ":globalflags minus [...]" (no colon in front of plus/minus), > > because it is confusing (tagged argument that requires another > > argument, hrrrrr ). > > Ah yeah, it does say in the SIEVE spec: > - To simplify this specification, tagged arguments SHOULD NOT take > - tagged arguments as arguments. > > Ok so the tagged optional argument "globalflags" may optionally take 2 > arguments where both are positional. The first being "plus" / > "minus", the second being a list of flags. Yeah I'd be happy with > that. :globalflags minus requires a grammar change. Syntactically, the bare word "minus" (i.e., no quotes) is an identifier, and cannot occur as a part of a command. Personally, I'm opposed to global flags unless the mechanism used to manipulate them is generic, applies to lists of strings, and the global list of flags is just a global variable. We're going to have to end up with variables, they're mostly going to need to be lists of strings, and we're going to end up duplicating all of the functionality in the flags document. We're going to need remove-items and add-items. Because of the way we'll probably end up adding variables (all string-lists can now be variables) we're going to end up with all of this functionality available to the flags extension, and duplicating it. :globalflags_plus is basically contatination (but the items must be unique); :globalflags_minus is removal. How can I temporarily clear the global flags list, or temporarily and conditionally modify it? Why is there only one global flags list? I'm in favor of a very abridged flag mechanism: a ":flags" parameter that takes a string-list as an argument. I'm pretty sure that given basic list operations that variables will require, plus a likely $global_flags variable, everything else will follow naturally from that. (We'd need list contatination, addition, and removal, and we'd need to make it non-destructive.) Can someone give me a napkin drawing on how global flags are supposed to look in a UI? Are we really sure this can't wait until we get some real programming language features? I would be glad to do the work to see this through after the base spec is done. Why does the global flags list have to be explicitally turned on? Would leaving it on all the time and doing :noglobalflags be an improvement? If we must have global flags in this document, leave out :globalflags_plus, and do it instead with :globalflags :flags. This violates part of section 4, but that can be easily fixed. Can someone send an example for :globalflags_minus? I think it should be left out entirely until we can do variables. If we have to have it, we could call it :globalflagsexcept. Also, the example addflag "foo"; fileinto :flags "foo" :globalflags_minus "foo"; MUST store the flag "foo". (Explit "foo" stores the flag, :globalflags_minus "foo" temporarily clears it from the globals list but the explicit mention wins). I like mark and unmark in principle, but because this is an IMAP-only document, they should be dropped. How to do mark and unmark with IMAP is basically well-known (:flags "\\Flagged"), and should be left for some future "general" flags extension, if necessary. If \Flagged isn't the right way to flag messages, then it's probably a client issue, and the server probably doesn't know how to do it, either. Tim Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18206 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18202 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAO11804; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:25:00 -0800 (PST) X-Spook: Mena SCUD missile Croatian assassination World Trade Center militia Kenneth Starr To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> From: Tim Showalter Date: 03 Nov 2000 13:25:05 -0800 In-Reply-To: Lawrence Greenfield's message of "Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:48:02 -0500" Message-ID: <7dwvekoij2.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 7 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Lawrence Greenfield writes: > We want the least sane rules, not the prettiest addresses. agreed. Tim Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03638 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03631 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ken.oceana.com (authenticated) by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) with ESMTP id eA3GJUF18677; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:19:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3A02E54E.80E9BA72@oceana.com> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:18:22 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Showalter CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Tim Showalter wrote: > > Okay, one more time: > > 2.4.2.3. Addresses > > A number of commands call for email addresses, which are also a subset > of strings. When these addresses are used in outbound contexts, > addresses must be compliant with [IMAIL], but are further constrained. > Using the symbols defined in [IMAIL], section 6.1, the syntax of an > address is: > > .nf > sieve-address = addr-spec ; simple address > / phrase addr-spec ; name & addr-spec > .fi Just looked at this one last time. I don't know if this is an nroff fart or an oversight, but the grammar should be: sieve-address = addr-spec ; simple address / phrase "<" addr-spec ">" ; name & addr-spec You might already have the "< >" in your source, but just wanted to make sure. Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24514 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24509 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) id eA33EOX24813; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:14:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.oceana.com: nobody set sender to ken@oceana.com using -f To: Lawrence Greenfield Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion Message-ID: <973221264.3a022d90350c3@home.oceana.com> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:14:24 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Murchison Cc: Tim Showalter , ietf-mta-filters@imc.org References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Quoting Lawrence Greenfield : > Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:51:01 -0500 > From: Ken Murchison > > One last point (I promise :^) Are you going to use sieve-address in > the > formal grammar for redirect/vacation? I think just saying that > addresses "are also a subset > of strings" leaves room for someone to do: > > redirect text: > Nobody > (test user) > > . > ; > > Do we really want to allow this? This should still parse OK, but > it's > pretty ugly. Maybe stating that addresses are a subset of > quoted-strings would be better? Or better yet, define: > > I don't think we should care about ugliness. It's ugly but it's a legal > address with a single interpretation, so it's fine. > > We want the least sane rules, not the prettiest addresses. Fine. BTW, I verified that cmu-sieve can handle this. I was confident that the script would be parsed OK, but was pleasently surprised that sendmail was able to accept an address with CRLF in it. Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23579 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu (SMTP5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.85]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23575 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from PENGUIN.ANDREW.CMU.EDU (PENGUIN.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.122.2]) (authenticated as leg with KERBEROS_V4 (56 bits)) by smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eA32m2K14641; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:48:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:48:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200011030248.eA32m2K14641@smtp5.andrew.cmu.edu> From: Lawrence Greenfield X-Mailer: BatIMail version 3.2 To: Tim Showalter , Ken Murchison Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org In-reply-to: <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:51:01 -0500 From: Ken Murchison One last point (I promise :^) Are you going to use sieve-address in the formal grammar for redirect/vacation? I think just saying that addresses "are also a subset of strings" leaves room for someone to do: redirect text: Nobody (test user) . ; Do we really want to allow this? This should still parse OK, but it's pretty ugly. Maybe stating that addresses are a subset of quoted-strings would be better? Or better yet, define: I don't think we should care about ugliness. It's ugly but it's a legal address with a single interpretation, so it's fine. We want the least sane rules, not the prettiest addresses. Larry Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21606 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.oceana.com (eagle.oceana.com [208.17.123.12]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21602 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp4.oceana.com (authenticated) by eagle.oceana.com (Switch-2.0.5/Switch-2.0.5) with ESMTP id eA31oCF22248; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:50:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3A021A05.19019A14@oceana.com> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:51:01 -0500 From: Ken Murchison Organization: Oceana Matrix Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Showalter CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Tim Showalter wrote: > > Ken Murchison writes: > > > Here's another fly in the ointment: What about 'domain-literals'? Even > > [IMAIL] discourages that they be used. Should we just define the syntax > > of what sieve should support in its entirety, or am I just being a pain > > in the ass now? (taking a 4 year-old trick-or-treating will do that to > > you :^) > > I really don't want to define the whole syntax. > > I have no problem with allowing domain literals, or, in fact, any of the > comment stuff that's in 822. Those are potentially useful, and while > they're discouraged, there's no real good way around them. > > Okay, one more time: > > 2.4.2.3. Addresses > > A number of commands call for email addresses, which are also a subset > of strings. When these addresses are used in outbound contexts, > addresses must be compliant with [IMAIL], but are further constrained. > Using the symbols defined in [IMAIL], section 6.1, the syntax of an > address is: > > .nf > sieve-address = addr-spec ; simple address > / phrase addr-spec ; name & addr-spec > .fi > > That is, routes and group syntax are not permitted. If multiple > addresses are required, use a string list. Named groups are not used > here. > > Implementations MUST ensure that the addresses are syntactically > valid, but need not ensure that they actually identify an email > recipient. > > Tim Looks good to me. One last point (I promise :^) Are you going to use sieve-address in the formal grammar for redirect/vacation? I think just saying that addresses "are also a subset of strings" leaves room for someone to do: redirect text: Nobody (test user) . ; Do we really want to allow this? This should still parse OK, but it's pretty ugly. Maybe stating that addresses are a subset of quoted-strings would be better? Or better yet, define: addr = DQUOTE addr-spec DQUOTE ; simple address / QUOTE phrase addr-spec QUOTE ; name & addr-spec addr-list = "[" addr *("," addr) "]" / addr And 'addr' and 'addr-list' would be used in the definitions of redirect and vacation. Just a thought. Ken -- Kenneth Murchison Oceana Matrix Ltd. Software Engineer 21 Princeton Place 716-662-8973 x26 Orchard Park, NY 14127 --PGP Public Key-- http://www.oceana.com/~ken/ksm.pgp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14099 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mirapoint.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mail.mirapoint.com [208.48.74.2]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14095 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tim-bsd.mirapoint.com (tim-bsd.mirapoint.com [192.168.0.117]) by mail.mirapoint.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AAO07095; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:24:46 -0800 (PST) X-Spook: FBI Saddam Hussein quiche BATF domestic disruption Kennedy Craig Livingstone To: Ken Murchison Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sieve 13, corrections made during last-call discussion References: <7dwvepbymo.fsf_-_@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FED9A9.A6AE23DF@oceana.com> <7d3dhcbpiv.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> <39FF85A2.9405B6C8@oceana.com> From: Tim Showalter Date: 02 Nov 2000 14:24:50 -0800 In-Reply-To: Ken Murchison's message of "Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:53:22 -0500" Message-ID: <7dlmv2ovv1.fsf@tim-bsd.mirapoint.com> Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Ken Murchison writes: > Here's another fly in the ointment: What about 'domain-literals'? Even > [IMAIL] discourages that they be used. Should we just define the syntax > of what sieve should support in its entirety, or am I just being a pain > in the ass now? (taking a 4 year-old trick-or-treating will do that to > you :^) I really don't want to define the whole syntax. I have no problem with allowing domain literals, or, in fact, any of the comment stuff that's in 822. Those are potentially useful, and while they're discouraged, there's no real good way around them. Okay, one more time: 2.4.2.3. Addresses A number of commands call for email addresses, which are also a subset of strings. When these addresses are used in outbound contexts, addresses must be compliant with [IMAIL], but are further constrained. Using the symbols defined in [IMAIL], section 6.1, the syntax of an address is: .nf sieve-address = addr-spec ; simple address / phrase addr-spec ; name & addr-spec .fi That is, routes and group syntax are not permitted. If multiple addresses are required, use a string list. Named groups are not used here. Implementations MUST ensure that the addresses are syntactically valid, but need not ensure that they actually identify an email recipient. Tim Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09107 for ietf-mta-filters-bks; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h001.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.65]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA09103 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 25893 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2000 04:25:22 -0800 Received: from commercial.ucs.ed.ac.uk (HELO nige) (129.215.200.115) by smtp.swinson.com (209.228.32.65) with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 04:25:22 -0800 X-Sent: 1 Nov 2000 12:25:22 GMT Message-ID: <1c7401c043fe$a35b55c0$73c8d781@nige> From: "Nigel Swinson" To: "Alexey Melnikov" Cc: References: <39EA7C92.B8074A42@messagingdirect.com> <39F9BCD5.537B5B7D@oceana.com> <39FD0393.54A4EC9D@messagingdirect.com> <19f801c04270$5f2451c0$73c8d781@nige> <39FF3DDA.51D6D017@messagingdirect.com> Subject: Re: draft-melnikov-sieve-imapflags-04.txt Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:24:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns.secondary.com id EAA09104 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > > If they are I'd go for: > > > > keep :globalflags :plus [...] > > keep :globalflags :minus [...] > > > > Which might even be better than :globalflags+ and definately better than :globalflags_plus. > > In this case it is better to have ":globalflags plus [...]" or ":globalflags minus [...]" (no colon in front of plus/minus), because it is confusing (tagged argument that requires another argument, hrrrrr ). Ah yeah, it does say in the SIEVE spec: - To simplify this specification, tagged arguments SHOULD NOT take - tagged arguments as arguments. Ok so the tagged optional argument "globalflags" may optionally take 2 arguments where both are positional. The first being "plus" / "minus", the second being a list of flags. Yeah I'd be happy with that. Nigel