From owner-ietf-mta-filters Sun Apr 11 17:58:51 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3C0wpqZ032043; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3C0wpSH032042; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3C0wmrv032032 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matthew@elvey.fastmail.fm) X-Sasl-enc: A7YflCZyLog9I5EcgEfJig 1081731532 Received: from elvey.fastmail.fm (adsl-63-195-86-147.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.86.147]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D88A047AC for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4079E9CA.3010106@elvey.fastmail.fm> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:50 -0700 From: "Matthew Elvey (FM)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Ok, 'refuse' is probably ready for test implementation, IMO. Thanks to everyone for the feedback. I would very much like to hear from folks who implement 'refuse'. A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : The SIEVE mail filtering language - refuse extension Author(s) : M. Elvey, A. Melnikov Filename : draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt Pages : 0 Date : 2004-4-5 With 'refuse', Sieve gains the ability to simply not accept an email during the SMTP transaction (instead of accepting it and then sending an MDN [MDN] back to the alleged sender using 'reject'). A Joe-job is a spam run forged to appear as though it came from an innocent party, who is then generally flooded by the bounces, MDNs and messages with complaints. With 'reject', MDNs [MDN] contribute to the flood of Joe-job spam to victims of Joe-jobs; SMTP level refusals usually don't. So 'refuse' provides users the latter method to handle unwanted email. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt <...> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. -=-=-=-= If there are no further changes suggested here, we'll let it pickle for a bit and then pursue further IESG designation (last call for RFC designation?). (BTW, shouldn't Sieve itself be moving to "Proposed Standard" status?) From owner-ietf-mta-filters Sat Apr 24 07:00:03 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3OE036c048754; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3OE03XM048753; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from tiere.net.avaya.com (tiere.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.100]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3OE023n048747 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dromasca@avaya.com) Received: from tiere.net.avaya.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiere.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3ODwtam011112 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by tiere.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3ODwsam011075 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: hi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C42A04.6F8CD896" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:00:01 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: hi Thread-Index: AcQqBG+KuYJPYaD+SVWXNKKVoaW6NAAAAAAb From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42A04.6F8CD896 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am out of office on vacation between 4/23 and 4/30. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C42A04.6F8CD896-- From owner-ietf-mta-filters Thu Apr 29 20:09:24 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3U39O8r016906; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3U39OIH016905; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3U39MSn016898 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matthew@elvey.fastmail.fm) X-Sasl-enc: +84fidgs5EwgaSoWSrByNA 1083294509 Received: from elvey.fastmail.fm (ns.nextbus.com [64.164.28.194]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E701EAC9D71; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4091C32B.5050802@elvey.fastmail.fm> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:08:27 -0700 From: "Matthew Elvey (FM)" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Sieve Extension I-Ds(not) becoming RFCs and IANA assignments (e.g. refuse, and older ones, like vacation(!), regex, imapflags. References: <4091B1A5.7020006@elvey.fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <4091B1A5.7020006@elvey.fastmail.fm> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Wow, things have been quiet on this list. Anyone considering implementing draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt? I just noticed draft-daboo-sieve-spamtest-01.txt became an RFC: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3685.html - good, because the draft had expired, and someone wants to reference it in another doc not as a work-in-progress. I guess the Sieve homepage at cyrussoft is sorely out of date (I emailed the maintainer (sieve%cyrusoft.com ) a while back and didn't hear back - see below.) http://www.iana.org/assignments/sieve-extensions is presumably an up-to-date listing of SIEVE extensions that have reached RFC status. RFC 3598 is the subaddress extension, RFC 3431 is the relational test, There aren't IANA assignments for the extensions vacation, regex, or imapflags. Are their authors interested in progressing them to RFC status or getting IANA assignments? If I don't hear back, I'll take this up. Any comments before I email iana%iana.org with the RFC # for spamtest, and a reservation for "refuse"? On 4/14/2004 9:41 PM, Matthew Elvey sent forth electrons to sieve%cyrusoft.com to convey: > Hi. I was wondering if you'd add a list of links to sieve > extensions. None are officially beyond the I-D stage yet [wrong], but > they are often at the stage. If > you'd like to, e.g. link to > http://www.cyrusoft.com/sieve/#implementations, I'll put up a page there. > Hope you guys push Sieve along in the standardization process too, or > if you're not doing that, make changes to improve it, like the one I > suggest in my I-D for the 'refuse' extension. > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3U39O8r016906; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3U39OIH016905; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3U39MSn016898 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matthew@elvey.fastmail.fm) X-Sasl-enc: +84fidgs5EwgaSoWSrByNA 1083294509 Received: from elvey.fastmail.fm (ns.nextbus.com [64.164.28.194]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E701EAC9D71; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4091C32B.5050802@elvey.fastmail.fm> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:08:27 -0700 From: "Matthew Elvey (FM)" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Sieve Extension I-Ds(not) becoming RFCs and IANA assignments (e.g. refuse, and older ones, like vacation(!), regex, imapflags. References: <4091B1A5.7020006@elvey.fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <4091B1A5.7020006@elvey.fastmail.fm> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Wow, things have been quiet on this list. Anyone considering implementing draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt? I just noticed draft-daboo-sieve-spamtest-01.txt became an RFC: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3685.html - good, because the draft had expired, and someone wants to reference it in another doc not as a work-in-progress. I guess the Sieve homepage at cyrussoft is sorely out of date (I emailed the maintainer (sieve%cyrusoft.com ) a while back and didn't hear back - see below.) http://www.iana.org/assignments/sieve-extensions is presumably an up-to-date listing of SIEVE extensions that have reached RFC status. RFC 3598 is the subaddress extension, RFC 3431 is the relational test, There aren't IANA assignments for the extensions vacation, regex, or imapflags. Are their authors interested in progressing them to RFC status or getting IANA assignments? If I don't hear back, I'll take this up. Any comments before I email iana%iana.org with the RFC # for spamtest, and a reservation for "refuse"? On 4/14/2004 9:41 PM, Matthew Elvey sent forth electrons to sieve%cyrusoft.com to convey: > Hi. I was wondering if you'd add a list of links to sieve > extensions. None are officially beyond the I-D stage yet [wrong], but > they are often at the stage. If > you'd like to, e.g. link to > http://www.cyrusoft.com/sieve/#implementations, I'll put up a page there. > Hope you guys push Sieve along in the standardization process too, or > if you're not doing that, make changes to improve it, like the one I > suggest in my I-D for the 'refuse' extension. > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3OE036c048754; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3OE03XM048753; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from tiere.net.avaya.com (tiere.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.100]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3OE023n048747 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dromasca@avaya.com) Received: from tiere.net.avaya.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiere.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3ODwtam011112 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by tiere.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3ODwsam011075 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: hi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C42A04.6F8CD896" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:00:01 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: hi Thread-Index: AcQqBG+KuYJPYaD+SVWXNKKVoaW6NAAAAAAb From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42A04.6F8CD896 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am out of office on vacation between 4/23 and 4/30. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C42A04.6F8CD896-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3C0wpqZ032043; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3C0wpSH032042; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3C0wmrv032032 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matthew@elvey.fastmail.fm) X-Sasl-enc: A7YflCZyLog9I5EcgEfJig 1081731532 Received: from elvey.fastmail.fm (adsl-63-195-86-147.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.86.147]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D88A047AC for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4079E9CA.3010106@elvey.fastmail.fm> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:58:50 -0700 From: "Matthew Elvey (FM)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Ok, 'refuse' is probably ready for test implementation, IMO. Thanks to everyone for the feedback. I would very much like to hear from folks who implement 'refuse'. A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : The SIEVE mail filtering language - refuse extension Author(s) : M. Elvey, A. Melnikov Filename : draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt Pages : 0 Date : 2004-4-5 With 'refuse', Sieve gains the ability to simply not accept an email during the SMTP transaction (instead of accepting it and then sending an MDN [MDN] back to the alleged sender using 'reject'). A Joe-job is a spam run forged to appear as though it came from an innocent party, who is then generally flooded by the bounces, MDNs and messages with complaints. With 'reject', MDNs [MDN] contribute to the flood of Joe-job spam to victims of Joe-jobs; SMTP level refusals usually don't. So 'refuse' provides users the latter method to handle unwanted email. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-01.txt <...> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. -=-=-=-= If there are no further changes suggested here, we'll let it pickle for a bit and then pursue further IESG designation (last call for RFC designation?). (BTW, shouldn't Sieve itself be moving to "Proposed Standard" status?)