From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Sat Apr 9 13:58:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7153A68CB for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 13:58:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.996 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.996 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.604, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z7JES+zC9SiF for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 13:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8F03A68C2 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 13:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [188.29.15.207] (188.29.15.207.threembb.co.uk [188.29.15.207]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 21:59:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4DA0C888.8090705@isode.com> Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 21:58:48 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: sieve@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 20:58:15 -0000 Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Hi folks, > This is the announcement for the start of a working group last call on > the draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt draft. Please review this > draft and post comments to the list. The WGLC will run for two weeks > and end on April 13th. Is anybody still there? From stephan@rename-it.nl Sat Apr 9 14:40:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72813A6907 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4rNYRVfAlBHH for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from drpepper.rename-it.nl (drpepper.rename-it.nl [87.249.120.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053BF3A68CB for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stud173049.mobiel.utwente.nl ([130.89.173.49]:51495) by drpepper.rename-it.nl with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8fv1-0004hv-Mr; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:42:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4DA0D2AA.2040105@rename-it.nl> Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:42:02 +0200 From: Stephan Bosch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; nl; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Melnikov References: <4DA0C888.8090705@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <4DA0C888.8090705@isode.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RenameIT-MailScanner-SpamScore: -2.3 (--) X-RenameIT-MailScanner-SpamCheck: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 21:40:30 -0000 Op 9-4-2011 22:58, Alexey Melnikov schreef: > Cyrus Daboo wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> This is the announcement for the start of a working group last call >> on the draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt draft. Please review >> this draft and post comments to the list. The WGLC will run for two >> weeks and end on April 13th. > > Is anybody still there? There is a syntax error in the second version of Example 1. On line 8, the variable substitution ${limit} is not a string, since the double quotes are missing. Other than that, it looks very mature now. No more comments.. Regards, Stephan. From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Mon Apr 11 18:23:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C832BE06BF for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:23:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.557, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5zf2-ItGVCPD for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265DFE06F2 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so5832858wyb.31 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Hh9mtxIJJcjY4iTjtepxIsf1fjdh4Q2aYLi13za7cn8=; b=BghYw2lvKTTftslFzuJ6JJ8P1GEIXHKHTD31x59SzvfHw/Wnkexn6xZI7zOKRYVEyq SSYFq3iz/HlEryGJiOdP2o9A5NM7naLTsO0n/shLJuQ4EOiF9GIUjPZONF36qxSYwFsR uXBf/QccrnsKT2izJDMp8S3OVXu1Cegimgyjk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=jT5b9WCOdokV9FmRs/JikeKtisITa7990evFG6q3M7WPyIg7ych+TEm9lzmUkGKJns 2K76qdVXpZeraB5qo7hK8QBwfjOZrooAGnDhSXUojiuDjxNgLADbk2ccsoXF02H709yT RERmFVeZDDPtnDQbJZOIx2aPPe1C6uw73bOF4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.148.144 with SMTP id p16mr3484303wbv.223.1302571404160; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.227.160.129 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:23:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DA0D2AA.2040105@rename-it.nl> References: <4DA0C888.8090705@isode.com> <4DA0D2AA.2040105@rename-it.nl> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:23:24 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: C8NlbXqcF_CGKi_NJ4Zq2mLwOZY Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Stephan Bosch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:23:25 -0000 > There is a syntax error in the second version of Example 1. On line 8, the > variable substitution ${limit} is not a string, since the double quotes are > missing. Thanks; fixed in my working copy. > Other than that, it looks very mature now. No more comments.. Cool! Barry From cyrus@daboo.name Tue Apr 12 09:12:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75EDE083E for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RPZ+jzw0o3Qj for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E97E07A0 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEA11C6E4FD5 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:12:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ruz26kNdfzuV for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E83661C6E4FC9 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:12:01 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: sieve@ietf.org Message-ID: <8B828A48257C8F60C6A455DE@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=793 Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:12:09 -0000 Hi, My comments: 1) Please add a reference to CardDAV (draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-10) alongside LDAP and ACAP in the abstract and introduction (hopefully this draft will be unblocked by the vcard docs). 2) So most of the document is about external lists of email addresses. But then in the example in 2.8.2 we introduce a list of dates. Whilst 2.5 does suggest that a list of dates might be one option, 2.4 kind of implies other uses like that ought to be in a separate spec. If we want to officially support date lists in this spec, then I think that needs to be mentioned in the abstract and introduction, and described properly in section 2.2. Plus, the RFC5260 reference ought to be normative. Alternatively we should drop the date list option from this spec. -- Cyrus Daboo From NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Tue Apr 12 10:58:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC92E07DC for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:58:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.367 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.367 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.232, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bCWuMLZ+uXvU for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [66.59.230.40]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5511BE06F6 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dkim-sign.mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O00Y95PJF400MAJ0@mauve.mrochek.com> for sieve@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O00PDO7EKW007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> (original mail from NED@mauve.mrochek.com) for sieve@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:58:33 -0700 (PDT) From: NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Message-id: <01O00Y94QRQ2007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:33:09 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: "Your message dated Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:12:01 -0400" <8B828A48257C8F60C6A455DE@caldav.corp.apple.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; Format=flowed References: <8B828A48257C8F60C6A455DE@caldav.corp.apple.com> To: Cyrus Daboo DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mrochek.com; s=mauve; t=1302630727; i=@mrochek.com; bh=GB+zoDA5Eq/l0G34ZO2kUp65AsXWTmJ8W2MsBY7oRvg=; h=From:Cc:Message-id:Date:Subject:In-reply-to:MIME-version: Content-type:References:To; b=GCY/yfp7EQq8POqPJPjAdnz2G5lXo1wgkjI/OnwmZ0hKwmSnHREZas5lTUd5RXe1r mhXAPAlul/3Jme8MyTr4Mo9193PLQ60L6e3ov6ZTiKjBCnJ/RJiYXU+6U09pcBWnuI 5oH2yISKn1Yc6p+DvmGhuiTOw5rUVlWfY54kQ7lo= Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:58:39 -0000 > Hi, > My comments: > 1) Please add a reference to CardDAV (draft-ietf-vcarddav-carddav-10) > alongside LDAP and ACAP in the abstract and introduction (hopefully this > draft will be unblocked by the vcard docs). Not sure I see the point of adding such a reference, but as long as it doesn't have the potential of blocking publication it's Mostly Harmless. > 2) So most of the document is about external lists of email addresses. I disagree with this characterization. The language used refers to checking "membership in an external list". Those members can and will be practically anything: Addresses, personal names, dates, keywords, IP addresses, etc. Moreover, the fact that the header test is required to support :list means that the intent from the start is to be able to use things other than addresses - if addresses were the only thing that this was about we'd only require support in the envelope and address tests. And the requirement that string support :list is also key, since that's opens the door to using, say, header :matches to capture some component of a header list which you can then check against a list. The only place this document restricts list content to addresses is in the case of redirect :list, which is entirely appropriate in that case. And that's pretty much the only place besides the examples that email addresses as list contents are even talked about. > But > then in the example in 2.8.2 we introduce a list of dates. Whilst 2.5 does > suggest that a list of dates might be one option, 2.4 kind of implies other > uses like that ought to be in a separate spec. It does no such thing. This section is talking about the possibility of adding list checks to other parts of Sieve and interacting with Sieve in ways other than as a match type. It isn't talking about expanding what the possible contents of lists might be - there's no need for that. And I have to say I have a great deal of difficulty reading the section the way you have. > If we want to officially > support date lists in this spec, then I think that needs to be mentioned in > the abstract and introduction, and described properly in section 2.2. I strongly disagree with this approach. Trying to come up with a list of possible things that can be stored in an external list is unnecessarily proscriptive, not to mention confusing. If anything we need to move in the opposite direction and be even less specific about how this will be used. > Plus, > the RFC5260 reference ought to be normative. Alternatively we should drop > the date list option from this spec. Disagree again. Use of something in an example doesn't translate into a normative reference. If anything we need more examples of uses and more informational references along these lines. In fact, how about we add an example like this: require ["variables", "extlists", "index", "reject"]; if header :index 1 :matches "received" "*(* [*.*.*.*])*" { set "ip" "${3}.${4}.${5}.${6}"; if string :list "${ip}" "tag:example.com,2011-04-10:DisallowedIPs" { reject "Message not allowed from this IP address"; } } Ned From cyrus@daboo.name Tue Apr 12 12:48:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D7AE07C4 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:48:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22Tj2AEz6ama for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36212E06BC for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1245B1C6E5B27; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:48:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aCdudHvhWnMz; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 516901C6E5B1C; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:48:38 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Ned Freed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01O00Y94QRQ2007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> References: <8B828A48257C8F60C6A455DE@caldav.corp.apple.com> <01O00Y94QRQ2007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=1706 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 19:48:49 -0000 Hi Ned, --On April 12, 2011 10:33:09 AM -0700 Ned Freed wrote: >> If we want to officially >> support date lists in this spec, then I think that needs to be mentioned >> in the abstract and introduction, and described properly in section 2.2. > > I strongly disagree with this approach. Trying to come up with a list of > possible things that can be stored in an external list is unnecessarily > proscriptive, not to mention confusing. If anything we need to move in the > opposite direction and be even less specific about how this will be used. OK, I can support the more "generic" view of this as a list of "anything" (I guess my bias comes from the original starting point for this spec which was definitely based on the address book example). As you suggest perhaps there should be more examples - your IP reject one is worth including. Another might be (modifying Example 2 in RFC5703 - ): require [ "extlists", "foreverypart", "mime", "enclose" ]; foreverypart { if header :mime :param "filename" :list ["Content-Type", "Content-Disposition"] "tag:example.com,2011-04-11:BadFileNameExts" { # these attachment types are executable enclose :subject "Warning" :text WARNING! The enclosed message contains executable attachments. These attachment types may contain a computer virus program that can infect your computer and potentially damage your data. Before clicking on these message attachments, you should verify with the sender that this message was sent by them and not a computer virus. . ; break; } } -- Cyrus Daboo From cyrus@daboo.name Tue Apr 12 12:50:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739C6E07C4 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:50:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XCNkkJjE7rbR for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E572AE06BC for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916551C6E5B62 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xcaKGfrPbtIH for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C41201C6E5B57 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:50:28 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: sieve@ietf.org Message-ID: <31FE41587B21DA9FCF362FF3@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=465 Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 19:50:33 -0000 Hi folks, --On March 29, 2011 9:34:12 AM -0400 Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Hi folks, > This is the announcement for the start of a working group last call on > the draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt draft. Please review this > draft and post comments to the list. The WGLC will run for two weeks and > end on April 13th. One day left on this last call. We would still like to have reviews and feedback from more people, please. -- Cyrus Daboo From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 14:16:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48059E095F for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:16:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.074 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.074 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.097, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uvkpIyFNyOMF for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2721E07D4 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so6693645wyb.31 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:16:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=p75tQdBkvfxf3uaukGb53jZ44U7xFNSARzOKgJbe108=; b=Q+TTV+i1RcbwpEgWrdSCYDgFowSRHQy+EKGDI/rufDLHaKcjeYilH+ppndkKRadOIn 0LZwS0Qdm6HQj3UHLmoclAa8GrTM/Hp3XlH2RqUI5hwIPRlE8ss+V9J31n6nhMMcTon5 iWGiKqj4+7qwfcq7yPxasEWhITGrZfRd95Zac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=bp/+hYc4lTaNrHTJ8Sliaa9nTZpnq1yp3ZhpinivmADHoWYHCrBytMZrprMqJEm+ig Igcs3ja92XJxeUClZzzsMwKDTsvAF0mfOeQ9gw7pfqqQyLQ1Ci5UaVqiNx0gxoxxQ52z QXZsZZWksbDC4Kmj9m7MtlLRS+Bq9oFQYDzZ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.148.144 with SMTP id p16mr4714945wbv.223.1302642960964; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.227.160.129 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:16:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8B828A48257C8F60C6A455DE@caldav.corp.apple.com> <01O00Y94QRQ2007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:16:00 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: xlMmJ-AV7stItX1fLxs4I6TD6uw Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Cyrus Daboo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: sieve@ietf.org, Ned Freed Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:16:02 -0000 I like the two new examples, which I'll add. And I'm happy to add an informative reference to CardDAV as "work in progress" (for now). And, yes, everyone: more reviews, please. It took us a while to get this to where we think it's right, and more checking will be useful. Barry From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 14:39:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0388E0809 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:39:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q9nrjq4tVXW7 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10497E08E7 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so244wwa.13 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:39:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Vm7j+0JBW997buffQos7hXAi2sJrxtZkTHaGeUS/q2U=; b=QA4mf4PED2QGEdsH8XPEHvjKVheSfNOCxQxdXAWlN5xZzvBuyGeVuajQ24x1oq+6dh ry8ehBRb9jZjHh6TB/xecScwSigooDmZ1f/FsKdUnm2NhD7oV4U1CMv2h99++2JPWM0B /vlhkuaLqGJLheWPQkRujEovf1SZsLlm24h9s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=RRsiNAEUD+P7Ttj4NI32vtJVUydqPQVK7j66rNUOubymm12sncGFet85ol5ZIyRyrg RZ71Iy8QKcitUx1Pi0YLbIyRcI5U8S0FUp6SDe+lYEUevJJvPXCf2n3CWqWEtaReEsOk 4hSRcJwyNJtCD58YLzB1gTlsJNu7N1t9xMlEs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.101.2 with SMTP id a2mr252580wbo.20.1302644369988; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.227.160.129 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:39:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8B828A48257C8F60C6A455DE@caldav.corp.apple.com> <01O00Y94QRQ2007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:39:29 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7FLXXymcNtq5G-LfpwLKMPIq9GQ Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Cyrus Daboo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:39:31 -0000 > should be more examples - your IP reject one is worth including. Another > might be (modifying Example 2 in RFC5703 - > ): FYI, I changed the wording a little, and put this introductory text in the example: This example uses several features of the MIME parts extension to scan for unsafe attachment types. To make it easily extensible, the unsafe types are kept in an external list, which would be shared among all users and all scripts, avoiding the need to change scripts when the list changes. [Note that this is an illustrative example, and more rigorous mailware filtering is advisable. It is insufficient to base email security on checks of filenames alone.] Without the second paragraph, I think people might misinterpret us, and we'd surely get pushback from the security folks. Barry From cyrus@daboo.name Tue Apr 12 15:12:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AA7E082F for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:12:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.698, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kbv5nIw4mRYk for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90016E082C for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248EB1C6F05B2; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:12:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KwSMM9N5QTWb; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.42.4] (unknown [172.16.42.4]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6ABE71C6F05A3; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:12:37 -0400 (EDT) References: <8B828A48257C8F60C6A455DE@caldav.corp.apple.com> <01O00Y94QRQ2007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8G4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <557004F9-EE13-43DB-A2DC-E2E998D53DBE@daboo.name> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8G4) From: Cyrus Daboo Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:14:12 -0400 To: Barry Leiba Cc: "sieve@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:12:44 -0000 Typo "mailware" - other than that this looks fine.=20 --=20 Cyrus Daboo (Tapped out on my iPad) On Apr 12, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: >> should be more examples - your IP reject one is worth including. Another >> might be (modifying Example 2 in RFC5703 - >> ): >=20 > FYI, I changed the wording a little, and put this introductory text in > the example: >=20 > This example uses several features of the MIME parts extension > > to scan for unsafe attachment types. > To make it easily extensible, the unsafe types are kept in an > external list, which would be shared among all users and all script= s, > avoiding the need to change scripts when the list changes. >=20 > [Note that this is an illustrative example, and more rigorous > mailware filtering is advisable. It is insufficient to base > email security on checks of filenames alone.] >=20 > Without the second paragraph, I think people might misinterpret us, > and we'd surely get pushback from the security folks. >=20 > Barry From NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Sat Apr 16 17:15:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B08E066A for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:15:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GqC3HAPsqgGc for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [66.59.230.40]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931E0E0661 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dkim-sign.mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O06WKMSZI800RTI5@mauve.mrochek.com> for sieve@ietf.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O05DK7JJ34007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> (original mail from NED@mauve.mrochek.com) for sieve@ietf.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Message-id: <01O06WKKAXO2007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:14:34 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: "Your message dated Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:14:12 -0400" <557004F9-EE13-43DB-A2DC-E2E998D53DBE@daboo.name> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN References: <8B828A48257C8F60C6A455DE@caldav.corp.apple.com> <01O00Y94QRQ2007FL5@mauve.mrochek.com> <557004F9-EE13-43DB-A2DC-E2E998D53DBE@daboo.name> To: Cyrus Daboo DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mrochek.com; s=mauve; t=1302998893; i=@mrochek.com; bh=/lclWvY6vR0D7NJCIaWH7X9w7RtmS24zXsBF6k9Knpo=; h=From:Cc:Message-id:Date:Subject:In-reply-to:MIME-version: Content-type:References:To; b=QiuqiDw7qIZiWd1yNSXHHLjseU9QdFmI1UcFGvUM2AbhS1CVMY1oHE/atGD4IG8vC hFITAREwdBbQXJQrAT2YKd6r7dvN9ywrG3f172IlQFh5OBACq2pk1zLTMsh+7Drd1d jdpjkmNW3/EIm677kjMWtqvlokE4F4BtZBTGCVMQ= Cc: Barry Leiba , "sieve@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sieve] WGLC: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-06.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:15:26 -0000 Agreed. This example is a good addition. Ned > Typo "mailware" - other than that this looks fine. > -- > Cyrus Daboo > (Tapped out on my iPad) > On Apr 12, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > >> should be more examples - your IP reject one is worth including. Another > >> might be (modifying Example 2 in RFC5703 - > >> ): > > > > FYI, I changed the wording a little, and put this introductory text in > > the example: > > > > This example uses several features of the MIME parts extension > > > > to scan for unsafe attachment types. > > To make it easily extensible, the unsafe types are kept in an > > external list, which would be shared among all users and all scripts, > > avoiding the need to change scripts when the list changes. > > > > [Note that this is an illustrative example, and more rigorous > > mailware filtering is advisable. It is insufficient to base > > email security on checks of filenames alone.] > > > > Without the second paragraph, I think people might misinterpret us, > > and we'd surely get pushback from the security folks. > > > > Barry > _______________________________________________ > sieve mailing list > sieve@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sieve From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Thu Apr 21 07:45:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A916E06B0; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.765 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.765 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.166, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3GQ9x+HhwMh4; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfc.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905F1E0655; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.52 Message-ID: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:45:01 -0700 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:45:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Sieve Mail Filtering Language Working Group of the IETF. Title : Sieve Extension: Externally Stored Lists Author(s) : A. Melnikov, B. Leiba Filename : draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2011-04-21 The Sieve scripting language can be used to implement whitelisting, blacklisting, personal distribution lists, and other sorts of list matching. Currently, this requires that all members of such lists be hardcoded in the script itself. Whenever a member of a list is added or deleted, the script needs to be updated and possibly uploaded to a mail server. This document defines a Sieve extension for accessing externally stored lists -- lists whose members are stored externally to the script, such as using LDAP (RFC 4510), ACAP (RFC 2244), CardDAV (work in progress), or relational databases. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-04-21073444.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Thu Apr 21 07:54:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D9BE068E for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.543, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cw0tFdiQ3ivs for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CFDE065C for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so1708390wyb.31 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:54:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=khgoG+Idhh91h8+Ry3ESDDHOhkwd1JJCDcHEfN++PaE=; b=xItMVUlaYRQMr6SmTiTqDo+w3+NwJeAzQJRIT3kxnM2CyzUFDr3eGynA1JuZxk7fjv muhWcacnvGX9x8nzj8dpmx8ufxDwIEr1WN/Er9GMhGAFnWIrRvPg9B9cYrHbzQ/XO8eS Ghw5kC2COYzHjJV2zx78aggJz2aS9nDWGEGAY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=BUhy9NbL2UaQACtKz9SotbCebvsIB1S6I0Pkx23dCKqPLds1KIUg8ioYgAnh9baH2j 97iz27cCwVt8DmjEAdr3a+KE6+UU0DVYbKWQTmuFjbHrugP1vcSg8+XpI2gbJNhiau7N JaSGt5Ob7DU6gFXR7Qp2yPBIHqsUOjJ5osUG8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.167.65 with SMTP id h43mr2168908wel.17.1303397697925; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.242.71 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:54:57 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: p9J3Hj7HEbhtbf5-JxcdargL900 Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: sieve-chairs@tools.ietf.org, SM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Sieve mailing list Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:54:59 -0000 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : Sieve Extension: Externally St= ored Lists > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : A. Melnikov, B. Leiba > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-= 07.txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 15 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2011-04-21 ... > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.tx= t This version has all the changes from WGLC comments, and is ready to go to the IESG. Will the chairs please do a PROTO write-up and send it on? SM, will you please assign an apps review team member who does not already participate in Sieve to do a review? Thanks, all. Barry From cyrus@daboo.name Thu Apr 21 08:00:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0DAE079A for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:00:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.726 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.726 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.127, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I6-FKDRk-j5X for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0ABE065A for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6BB1C87A25E; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:00:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DDVvUv0f1act; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 548901C87A24C; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:00:21 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Barry Leiba , sieve-chairs@tools.ietf.org, SM Message-ID: <3D2300863B5597D91A2056A6@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=588 Cc: Sieve mailing list Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:00:34 -0000 Hi Barry, --On April 21, 2011 10:54:57 AM -0400 Barry Leiba wrote: >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.t >> xt > > This version has all the changes from WGLC comments, and is ready to > go to the IESG. Will the chairs please do a PROTO write-up and send > it on? SM, will you please assign an apps review team member who does > not already participate in Sieve to do a review? Given that this is the product of a working group, why is an apps area review needed? -- Cyrus Daboo From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Thu Apr 21 08:06:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C008E07C4 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:06:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.523, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2xInSm4KRuYQ for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72EAE07BA for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so1493620wwa.13 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sCDKFJph6IIFQMellXOFdxxQlKiemsQF2z7+j560ZqM=; b=uYXCdH3TrhuUUUMPEwTrg2zi27141v2yJmZmUiKRJxIuZDokiCRX77+vxnZOLw6Vdt oH4WIrXmxuhvfJ1eN74XoicFQcpkBkRg1hr2pb63BKtUmB+Xvh5z8xscgqtYQ3RtYgfs YgGc6Fk2zHvICWAvzYK3PBtj/u72eC3AXJu8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=rDSyApwMh74YnM4Uf0J50GshILGKv+jNuWfRRkVXpQJMhjoiEp7P+ZCXjcAxNWax2y P3+U8nzfalQtdwjkSvf/iP933rd+PcZQvDbLx6BZZxgPS8yvQmzKA4GbOPm/4FnZmNbi qrPY7skhB9vpkFiWqhRrmXqvahBoj4jMtaAmA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.136.89 with SMTP id v67mr59773wei.47.1303398360148; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.242.71 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3D2300863B5597D91A2056A6@caldav.corp.apple.com> References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <3D2300863B5597D91A2056A6@caldav.corp.apple.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:06:00 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: s6C6QOZrWGn3l8nFIUsLiYGFYxA Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Cyrus Daboo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Sieve mailing list , sieve-chairs@tools.ietf.org, SM Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:06:01 -0000 > Given that this is the product of a working group, why is an apps area > review needed? Alexey and I thought we'd like a separate review, to get different eyes on it. It's just like any other last-call review, of course. Barry From cyrus@daboo.name Thu Apr 21 08:19:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBF7E07B6 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:19:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.722 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.722 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.123, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XZg4VH5YSAQC for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3487E07B0 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2921C87A3A3; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:19:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9BcUeSQky-8C; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.101.32.44]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BA621C87A398; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:19:46 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: <87525AA595B96B56AA523339@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <3D2300863B5597D91A2056A6@caldav.corp.apple.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=783 Cc: Sieve mailing list , sieve-chairs@tools.ietf.org, SM Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:19:51 -0000 Hi Barry, --On April 21, 2011 11:06:00 AM -0400 Barry Leiba wrote: >> Given that this is the product of a working group, why is an apps area >> review needed? > > Alexey and I thought we'd like a separate review, to get different > eyes on it. It's just like any other last-call review, of course. OK, but I thought apps review was primarily for review of work generated in other areas or perhaps individual submissions (though appsawg covers that one now). Plus I thought the point was to have a "domain" expert actually review it rather than a general "does this look OK". Anyway, I have no objection to a separate review (the more the better really), I just don't think apps review should be unnecessarily loaded with work... -- Cyrus Daboo From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Fri Apr 22 12:24:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfc.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A816E084B for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.831 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.831 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.146, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([208.66.40.236]) by localhost (ietfc.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hXuoowOG9cpA for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfc.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30471E0848 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so270343gxk.31 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:24:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v0qkYzIAgV4PosUiidW1bM/q6N+llF3DlOpFAWkRaK8=; b=L/LrY6vNNq5q4faiFMLpavqJXOyYfQ5H4TBtCbizG9FPRn1DriIA3aYWF6qP4Pfwr4 8hWaJOSO5MWrlUWQUk7nPLOnZ/k2NYAV+zd9BOhQQqFs3EiiTlMDpehE2A222GE4VHxn cYRJTXbZ7UZzilG7rybibwh8lDYPcIoDGePhc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=GdaoZZG8VZt50xzrqA33rCCI3W4oQ0SPbI+U0gmswn264902ilUmwHjzbj0a9M1+ll oOMOLem+My0Wx6zO1B7SBp/HT2AbDDAIY0fbB5BoXqoEiHCMeOw7lvq5F3PVlFejdb8x LHm9CMBF9j2v3YpTYIEVkIm0h4s1DGF1yLZmA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.146.33.3 with SMTP id g3mr1028130yag.23.1303500251852; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.147.137.10 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 12:24:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:24:11 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qHaiRdi0x57PhnztLj94dSbpYnY Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Sieve mailing list , "Murray S. Kucherawy" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:24:13 -0000 >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt > > This version has all the changes from WGLC comments, and is ready to > go to the IESG. In response to review on the uri-review list, I have changed the URI schema name from "ab" to "addrbook". I have also made the other changes listed below in my working copy (which will be -08). I think they shouldn't be controversial, but we thought they needed to be passed by the working group for at least one or two "+1" nods. Tony, Ned, can you look at them and comment? The URI reviews can be found here: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01396.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01401.html Murray, when you do your apps review, please note these changes. If you need a full version before -08 is posted, let me know separately and I'll send it to you. Barry ======================================================== In section 2.5: OLD < The "ab" URI scheme (in particular, the URI "ab:default"), defined in < Section 4.3 MUST be supported. The mandatory-to-implement URI "ab: < default" gives access to the user's default address book (usually the < user's personal address book). NEW > The "addrbook" URI scheme (in particular, the reserved URI "addrbook: > default"), defined in Section 4.3 MUST be supported. The mandatory- > to-implement URI "addrbook:default" gives access to the user's > default address book (usually the user's personal address book). > Note that these are URIs, subject to normal URI encoding rules, > including percent-encoding. The reserved name "default" MUST be > considered case-insensitive after decoding. That means that the > following URIs are all equivalent: > > addrbook:default > > ADDRBOOK:DEFAULT > > aDdRbOOk:DeFauLt > > AddrBook:%44%65%66ault > > Address book names other than "default" MAY be case-sensitive, > depending upon the implementation, so their case (after URI > decoding) MUST be maintained. At the end of Security Considerations, section 3: NEW > Applications SHOULD ensure appropriate restrictions are in place to > protect sensitive information that might be revealed by "addrbook" > URIs from access or modification by untrusted sources. In "URI scheme semantics:" in section 4.3: NEW > The address book name (the "addrbook" element in the ABNF above) > refers to a specifically named address book, as defined by the > implementation. A user might, for example, have access to a > number of different address books, such as a personal one, a > family one, a company one, and one for the town where the user > lives. > > The extension information (the "extensions" element in the ABNF > above) is available for use in future extensions. It might allow > for things such as dynamic subsets of an address book (for > example, "addrbook:personal?name.contains=fred"). There are no > extensions defined at this time. In "Encoding considerations:" in section 4.3: NEW > In particular, note that implementations MUST properly implement > URI processing, including percent-encoding. Any comparisons, > lookups, and so forth are done after all decoding of the URI. In "Intended usage:" in section 4.3: Remove the word "internally" in the first sentence, and add "case-insensitive" in the second paragraph. In "Interoperability considerations:" in section 4.3: OLD < Applications are only REQUIRED to < support "ab:default". NEW > Applications are only REQUIRED to > support "addrbook:default", where all cases and encodings of > "default" are considered equivalent. Address book names other > than "default" MAY be case-sensitive, depending upon the > implementation, so their case (after URI decoding) MUST be > maintained. ========================================================