From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Fri May 6 13:33:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B75E07D6 for ; Fri, 6 May 2011 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.246 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.246 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.269, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uv3APBVExHyf for ; Fri, 6 May 2011 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0910AE07DB for ; Fri, 6 May 2011 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywi6 with SMTP id 6so1617342ywi.31 for ; Fri, 06 May 2011 13:33:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SivTM/I7S+g764Fx/7hcUKXKZAXw2CABxvFJnOB50Ec=; b=hI9YF+iWYFO2nSi+17jKlJJrQbxHwwc66OhPNCYWViqY/AIX2wnK1LGdjl6c6283fn 95dzC4hxjY8fb1YKb+Gi3Y9iBkCbE1/sV06/VKR2LqZWXJbkRVp0tn/OAJPTj7nFEvpn NsHduv+ffuXi0i+HY8foSfL0ncpguSlNlWRO0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=EtIvhua4R9NxOcKmzA6Rx4pj7d441zRCLVpS2ZWToIP2ronmJS/XpitP3GxFWr3yUX f/EOSa2Rg3WrLHmChCIyCO7+uIRtR0h0BtFC0i7vpY1t9zGHgq3ZqTtZFAjqKkt08nuD 8TfjaK7m7DNb3n1DBvZ/I7jiy3c2H/t2b2nAo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.73.41 with SMTP id v41mr4001948yba.106.1304713985589; Fri, 06 May 2011 13:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.147.137.13 with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2011 13:33:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:33:05 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: s7zS_t4A40JrwjtyNZRmzjyvEr0 Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Sieve mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 20:33:08 -0000 > In response to review on the uri-review list, I have changed the URI > schema name from "ab" to "addrbook". In further discussion on the uri-review list, Graham, who will be the expert reviewer we'll have to convince when we get to that point, has pushed back on our defining an "addrbook" URI scheme for this. At the moment, he's not speaker as the expert reviewer, but this tells us where we'll stand when he does. It's still possible for us to convince him, but for now, he's not convinced. He suggests that we we use the "urn" scheme, either coming in as part of the existing IETF parameter namespace: urn:ietf:param:sieve:addrbook:default ...or defining and registering our own new namespace: urn:addrbook:default We're concerned that the former generates too-long and too-ugly URIs for our purposes. The second is possible, but I actually think it's a *worse* idea to define a URN namespace for "addrbook" than it is to make a URI scheme for it. For those who want to see the discussions, here are the three most significant posts from Graham: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01408.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01416.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01424.html ...and you can look at the other, related messages. I spoke with Pete Resnick, who suggested using something related to CardDAV to handle this. I've asked Cyrus whether there's anything we can do in that regard, and I'm waiting for his response. Pete is not inclined to go against Graham's recommendation, and also is concerned about the scope here. At this point, I don't know what to do, so I'm taking it back to the working group. Alexey thinks grabbing a URN namespace is acceptable, even if we have to hold our noses a bit. Ned, what do you think? Others? Barry From cyrus@daboo.name Fri May 6 18:42:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A53DE070C for ; Fri, 6 May 2011 18:42:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8iI9DewQ34ln for ; Fri, 6 May 2011 18:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B87E064B for ; Fri, 6 May 2011 18:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4954558E39; Fri, 6 May 2011 21:42:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.daboo.name [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oOS3VTxbyoN8; Fri, 6 May 2011 21:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] (unknown [10.0.1.7]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B71A4558E2E; Fri, 6 May 2011 21:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 21:42:43 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Barry Leiba , Sieve mailing list Message-ID: <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> In-Reply-To: References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=1351 Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 01:42:44 -0000 Hi Barry, --On May 6, 2011 4:33:05 PM -0400 Barry Leiba wrote: > I spoke with Pete Resnick, who suggested using something related to > CardDAV to handle this. I've asked Cyrus whether there's anything we > can do in that regard, and I'm waiting for his response. Pete is not > inclined to go against Graham's recommendation, and also is concerned > about the scope here. I will give you my response here: there is not a specific URL for CardDAV - it is just HTTP/WebDAV at its core so the only URLs that make sense are http and https. That does not fit our requirements. > At this point, I don't know what to do, so I'm taking it back to the > working group. Alexey thinks grabbing a URN namespace is acceptable, > even if we have to hold our noses a bit. Ned, what do you think? > Others? Here is one possibility: change the syntax to provide for a prefix to the list name. The following could be used: - "URL:" - what follows is a URL (as per current spec behavior) - "list:" - a "generic" named list - "ab:" - a list of addresses So ab: and list: allow for a very compact identifier in line with what we wanted before, and we still can use URLs via the URL: prefix (at the expense of an additional 4 characters). That would allow us to remove the new URL registration we currently have. -- Cyrus Daboo From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Sat May 7 05:57:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845A8E06DB for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 05:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.223 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.223 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.246, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7GfOdO+IwIWP for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 05:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAD8E0651 for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 05:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywi6 with SMTP id 6so1787424ywi.31 for ; Sat, 07 May 2011 05:57:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Y4keL8So2p2Y2bqFHxdYXAsPklZi7RpW3MZVdgBdAJk=; b=POwEXq9Y/li/6oqsiuPxb20lhmzZoQO7MlcS/KHYQ6GtY9sjnkbYAP7DvDzcjTvhmY MHbLkLbas6ScO5Jr4WCIdOZyisWMTbEzZwTgz3n4WLeUPZ87z01PVQ2GFd81ubDB7+LV TUDwpGe2qGWY/iElJRiC0uyCmXgiNDzbZ42E0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=Go2c2lmX/KupZetnE3q9PNG9jmYlLW2HOXOfnwa9QNPE/XNzb3DZeCUEMe1CiysF5Q FAR02+EJTB76al+TKhChwJsYjvhfpwsBhll5YS5UWHOVHmsaiX7Kv0K5rgvUOb1L3319 26EyQbb7jiRNpTtD2bcDPMu8gym/2qQQGl2I0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.73.41 with SMTP id v41mr4535382yba.106.1304772669647; Sat, 07 May 2011 05:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.147.137.13 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2011 05:51:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 08:51:09 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QUcF0cV0scGSmzcNvrjuwrjS8mY Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Cyrus Daboo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Sieve mailing list Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 12:57:10 -0000 > I will give you my response here: there is not a specific URL for CardDAV - > it is just HTTP/WebDAV at its core so the only URLs that make sense are http > and https. That does not fit our requirements. That's what I thought, and what I found from looking at the docs, but I wanted to be sure. OK. > Here is one possibility: change the syntax to provide for a prefix to the > list name. The following could be used: > > - "URL:" - what follows is a URL (as per current spec behavior) > - "list:" - a "generic" named list > - "ab:" - a list of addresses That's very much like the idea we passed through, of using a registry of our own for names that could be alternatives to a URI for that. I propose, though, that we not use a prefix in general, but instead prefix the non-URIs with ":" (think of it as a "null URI scheme", maybe). So URIs could be exactly as they are now, and we'd have ":addressbook:default" ":addressbook:personal" ":addressbook:company?dept=2y5f" for example, for our own names. We can define a registry for these names, specifying that everything after the second ":" be defined in the definition of each name. If Alexey and Ned think this is a good idea, I'll re-work the doc to define the new registry, and we can do another quick WGLC on it before we send it to the IESG. Barry From dave@cridland.net Sat May 7 08:55:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A621EE06BA for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 08:55:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.422 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.422 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.177, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lSdWFR6HmpFo for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 08:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net (peirce.dave.cridland.net [217.155.137.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97349E0682 for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 08:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (peirce.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) by peirce.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37693116808D; Sat, 7 May 2011 16:55:31 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at peirce.dave.cridland.net Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (peirce.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I4rvCQIZCMu7; Sat, 7 May 2011 16:55:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from puncture (puncture.dave.cridland.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:882:221:85ff:fe3f:1696]) by peirce.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E39691168067; Sat, 7 May 2011 16:55:27 +0100 (BST) References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 16:55:27 +0100 From: Dave Cridland To: Barry Leiba , SIEVE Working Group , Cyrus Daboo Content-Type: text/plain; delsp="yes"; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 15:55:38 -0000 On Sat May 7 13:51:09 2011, Barry Leiba wrote: > That's very much like the idea we passed through, of using a > registry > of our own for names that could be alternatives to a URI for that. > I > propose, though, that we not use a prefix in general, but instead > prefix the non-URIs with ":" (think of it as a "null URI scheme", > maybe). So URIs could be exactly as they are now, and we'd have > ":addressbook:default" > ":addressbook:personal" > ":addressbook:company?dept=2y5f" > for example, for our own names. We can define a registry for these > names, specifying that everything after the second ":" be defined in > the definition of each name. > > If Alexey and Ned think this is a good idea, I'll re-work the doc to > define the new registry, and we can do another quick WGLC on it > before > we send it to the IESG. Isn't that URNs by the back door, though? If so, what you could reasonably do is land-grab a URN prefix and then use that form as a shortcut to it. Then you don't even need a registry. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade From dave@cridland.net Sat May 7 09:12:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB24E06BA for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:12:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.134 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.134 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.135, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T-+1hLYIU0fX for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net (peirce.dave.cridland.net [217.155.137.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F030E0682 for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (peirce.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) by peirce.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C481168087; Sat, 7 May 2011 17:12:50 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at peirce.dave.cridland.net Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (peirce.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y96QxzeZHz4x; Sat, 7 May 2011 17:12:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from puncture (puncture.dave.cridland.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:882:221:85ff:fe3f:1696]) by peirce.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D9CFD1168067; Sat, 7 May 2011 17:12:47 +0100 (BST) References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 17:12:47 +0100 From: Dave Cridland To: Barry Leiba , SIEVE Working Group , Cyrus Daboo Content-Type: text/plain; delsp="yes"; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 16:12:54 -0000 On Sat May 7 17:07:38 2011, Barry Leiba wrote: > > Isn't that URNs by the back door, though? > > Yes, I suppose it is, at that. Sigh. > > > If so, what you could reasonably do is land-grab a URN prefix and > then use > > that form as a shortcut to it. Then you don't even need a > registry. > > Still need a registry if we want to allow things other than > "addrbook". But, yes, if not, we don't. Do you? I think you get to piggyback on the existing URN registry, essentially. So the URNs would be of the form urn:ietf:params:protocols:biscuit-tin:elephant:sieve:addrbook?foo=bar, but the ":" prefix would expand into the urn:ietf bit all the way up to sieve. Do you need a new registry for sub-trees? Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade From barryleiba@gmail.com Sat May 7 09:13:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BF8E0701 for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.525 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.525 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.548, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u7lAVS8w18IW for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1DBE0682 for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so1821567gwb.31 for ; Sat, 07 May 2011 09:13:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4AoxBdLmmPCXPDLTeABgj/DZTyiEzDIXOTpJ6CdaCmo=; b=tV3ZmtYMzZtFekpBJA0zfwaw/ggx4nvU4mGg8UWYFmH3RtDj8qslh3Nbr5axhgszAm siUVvPfXXN+j0hs1kw4oQzBRQ5lcAAEp2NOynx19TISA3iuFEs/CWaoopEKXYMTLQEW+ tHiCAYu77XXRZ5/a/wSNolLAlh3jR9rWodhq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=PNPr588CADiMnHPtVLf1v+nhkN1GpHk+MccBemnIbjoVXHZ/Uiaw2VuIoZ9W1zdnaq SQAZpTU+W/t9Nhuh//6mIewRDdLWg6zLUwHYsfcxuRsb9iElln9hzm4qBScMehzHIr00 wZfFZvrrs2hjJBZcagMEsAPzHcfH6uFrgm50E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.116.131 with SMTP id g3mr2003807yhh.464.1304784458553; Sat, 07 May 2011 09:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.110.140 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:07:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 12:07:38 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Sgvp5nX2EvydWCkZuc1MLRIECC4 Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Dave Cridland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: SIEVE Working Group Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 16:13:17 -0000 > Isn't that URNs by the back door, though? Yes, I suppose it is, at that. Sigh. > If so, what you could reasonably do is land-grab a URN prefix and then use > that form as a shortcut to it. Then you don't even need a registry. Still need a registry if we want to allow things other than "addrbook". But, yes, if not, we don't. Barry From barryleiba@gmail.com Sat May 7 09:33:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8628E068B for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:33:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.959 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.959 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.582, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dde3N+zfR+UC for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED988E0682 for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywi6 with SMTP id 6so1828588ywi.31 for ; Sat, 07 May 2011 09:33:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3fFfizCwx2Ao+G3xThOUA4nK4czeQ5lqz4I+yF+nw/U=; b=i3zxw0wCWWlp/zo02+XKHt6JyAOnpO4WYTW+jdONmpVr3YnRf9bV7+x/v62w3jblJ7 xNj9wjqEK7MAwHmMfpriq8mS77BhhcoQZ9f6rHYLVdNponHohedE9ncymAOY4L9Df8KP 5Z3RWvjruH4gffz2FY1HO/eVfJsbZv5ne5ENY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=RXwyRNQ7gpLbk0woypF3W0H0hsYPiiMF3fFM7C8oKI9yr3WtL3HfJA8i8BM68+Z9Yw G7CWGJRrqbF6+xDPmcYZ0g6oDgCBnQIBDjYe5pExyMTDtvzJnaiNUsiU2BADtJuuXtnW UQ9HRfr2sPbmn4lHD1At4PU+yRrgTD9JJ4uQE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.185.73 with SMTP id t49mr498782yhm.129.1304785992895; Sat, 07 May 2011 09:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.110.140 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2011 09:33:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 12:33:12 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4ZOjNc71u-leBAH6UeZWx3etpMA Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Dave Cridland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: SIEVE Working Group Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 16:33:14 -0000 > So the URNs would be of the form > urn:ietf:params:protocols:biscuit-tin:elephant:sieve:addrbook?foo=bar,but > the ":" prefix would expand into the urn:ietf bit all the way up to sieve. Oh, hey, wait, I *like* that; it's an aspect I didn't think of that solves two problems: Problem 1: I think urn:ietf:params:sieve:addrbook:default is ugly and annoying. Problem 2: I think registering a top-level URN namespace (urn:addrbook) is silly. We can get "urn:ietf:params:sieve:addrbook", and document that ":addrbook" is shorthand for that. That is, we can say that a leading ":" expands to "urn:ietf:params:sieve:". I like that. Comments from others? Barry From cyrus@daboo.name Sat May 7 12:10:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F54E072B for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 12:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.998, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vcCNzQzSRRor for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 12:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F136CE0728 for ; Sat, 7 May 2011 12:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E0757F859; Sat, 7 May 2011 15:02:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.daboo.name [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ug3kHKR5AYL6; Sat, 7 May 2011 15:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.42.4] (unknown [172.16.42.4]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 008DA57F84B; Sat, 7 May 2011 15:02:50 -0400 (EDT) References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8J3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <7F76CE17-4D2D-4978-9F2F-D9EDE4437BA0@daboo.name> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8J3) From: Cyrus Daboo Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 15:03:07 -0400 To: Barry Leiba Cc: SIEVE Working Group Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 19:10:54 -0000 Works for me. --=20 Cyrus Daboo (Tapped out on my iPad) On May 7, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: >> So the URNs would be of the form >> urn:ietf:params:protocols:biscuit-tin:elephant:sieve:addrbook?foo=3Dbar,b= ut >> the ":" prefix would expand into the urn:ietf bit all the way up to sieve= . >=20 > Oh, hey, wait, I *like* that; it's an aspect I didn't think of that > solves two problems: >=20 > Problem 1: I think urn:ietf:params:sieve:addrbook:default is ugly and anno= ying. > Problem 2: I think registering a top-level URN namespace > (urn:addrbook) is silly. >=20 > We can get "urn:ietf:params:sieve:addrbook", and document that > ":addrbook" is shorthand for that. That is, we can say that a leading > ":" expands to "urn:ietf:params:sieve:". >=20 > I like that. Comments from others? >=20 > Barry From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Sun May 8 07:11:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6756AE0789 for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 07:11:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.006 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.006 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.629, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iN1EZXpkOO2J for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 07:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8B1E071C for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 07:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so2000157gyf.31 for ; Sun, 08 May 2011 07:11:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jJ9kdipOQ6O500VFExXmHgtl2WIDjLOR6hiopwQiT3o=; b=ZTwm+m38hLzhV4ZExMRtPrDppaBytXmutAFLa4uZ5dmszWHFv8MKAze+/ap0IZllIg rfM/IO6WdRQVY6EsFPd+nmTw/K8/bm7wnzEoE5v0gpY1eZL0fHhA7euXHyCqKVjGOLl6 zsXGukqbwaOKvEsnEzb1Wo2AnlfCMFiz7gIkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Jao9yubikzw/FhtB8BdmoGoiIEvIktvdJPigdD3H0lO5qbUUnk/ck4hOmwNTVpeBen 8CCBW4jJr+UVqUK2fDeItcZ+GfEedFCEUJ77AtLNFM8m90a1JCT1pZ2Ox91FnHaxRRHm aWCaFZhbmww/XVMgFQcdVKv10bVBg5K5j2+9U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.154.199 with SMTP id h47mr7124634yhk.149.1304863882882; Sun, 08 May 2011 07:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.147.137.13 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2011 07:11:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7F76CE17-4D2D-4978-9F2F-D9EDE4437BA0@daboo.name> References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> <7F76CE17-4D2D-4978-9F2F-D9EDE4437BA0@daboo.name> Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:11:22 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Y9XWL5bjUXbp9kDEX9Qe6FzLTVk Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: SIEVE Working Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Ned Freed Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 14:11:24 -0000 On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Works for me. Great. I'd like to hear assent from Alexey and Ned before I make the changes. If they agree, I'll put it in and submit an -08 version. Barry > On May 7, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > >>> So the URNs would be of the form >>> urn:ietf:params:protocols:biscuit-tin:elephant:sieve:addrbook?foo=3Dbar= ,but >>> the ":" prefix would expand into the urn:ietf bit all the way up to sie= ve. >> >> Oh, hey, wait, I *like* that; it's an aspect I didn't think of that >> solves two problems: >> >> Problem 1: I think urn:ietf:params:sieve:addrbook:default is ugly and an= noying. >> Problem 2: I think registering a top-level URN namespace >> (urn:addrbook) is silly. >> >> We can get "urn:ietf:params:sieve:addrbook", and document that >> ":addrbook" is shorthand for that. =A0That is, we can say that a leading >> ":" expands to "urn:ietf:params:sieve:". >> >> I like that. =A0Comments from others? >> >> Barry From NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Sun May 8 08:53:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAB9E0789 for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.367 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.367 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.232, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y4e8nskSPhvX for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [66.59.230.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB4FE0759 for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dkim-sign.mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O115FS6FTS008BL5@mauve.mrochek.com> for sieve@ietf.org; Sun, 8 May 2011 08:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O0NIK3XB0000TT5M@mauve.mrochek.com> (original mail from NED@mauve.mrochek.com) for sieve@ietf.org; Sun, 8 May 2011 08:53:13 -0700 (PDT) From: NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Message-id: <01O115FQTZ9W00TT5M@mauve.mrochek.com> Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 08:35:59 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: "Your message dated Sun, 08 May 2011 10:11:22 -0400" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> <7F76CE17-4D2D-4978-9F2F-D9EDE4437BA0@daboo.name> To: Barry Leiba DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mrochek.com; s=mauve; t=1304869452; i=@mrochek.com; bh=b2FtCvQFpRQg9TIWRyom00PNBN6f52PcFhydW00tqZk=; h=From:Cc:Message-id:Date:Subject:In-reply-to:MIME-version: Content-type:References:To; b=TpyB1faleQxmc9MKO+wWBBXnIGztpKRp78GzCko/3bnP2enkXzKGGYkAw2wanOC16 JwcdjVyJSHPX254FtpSIZsi61USM8KE3cyndR3VVuFZ7ve0NFt/vTqFSCkPSK6/ydX XaIJMzAO4DzcPENQOczSAM+tXEtRT7QJEhaKtmrE= Cc: Ned Freed , SIEVE Working Group Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 15:53:21 -0000 > On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Cyrus Daboo wrote: > > Works for me. > Great. I'd like to hear assent from Alexey and Ned before I make the > changes. If they agree, I'll put it in and submit an -08 version. My main concern here is that the identifier be short and comprehensible, and this seems to qualify. I really don't care what punctuation surrounds it as long as it's simple, and this proposal works in that regard as well. And while I'm happy we can finesse this particular case by using some syntax and semantic tricks, I have to point out that some of the assertions made in reviewing the original URL scheme proposal were quite simply wrong, and it's exactly the sort of mistake the IETF makes on a depressingly regular basis. In particular, the original response to this registration stated that: The use and deployment of new URI schemes in the Internet infrastructure is costly This is of course true in the sense that widespread deployment in mutiple protocols and applications is costly. But that's not what we were trying to do and the assumption that this is what everyone who registers a URI scheme (or media type or charset or whatever) is doing is nonsensical. We were trying to define a mechanism for use in a single context in a single protocol. If other protocols decided the mechanism made sufficient sense to adopt, great, but if not that's fine too. Identifiers are cheap. So again, being able to finesse the issue here is good. But sooner or later we're going to have to face up to the fact that our, I guess I'd call it registration philosophy, is increasingly at odds with how protocols are actually defined and used. Ned From barryleiba@gmail.com Sun May 8 09:57:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34DBE06DC for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.292 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.292 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.315, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h9xefxtWPRHW for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 09:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yi0-f44.google.com (mail-yi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997F8E06A1 for ; Sun, 8 May 2011 09:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yic13 with SMTP id 13so2023177yic.31 for ; Sun, 08 May 2011 09:57:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wNivHURgygTcDwXb+gRq9ZdT0HAeFVDmL1NdK7r76ls=; b=xdw3WxBb2zl2jWa8Eq4DLFu8wjuEMbtYiSGTagt1jsmhuUIDmijCi0K0Wdd8xZ8bkn J/iXn1i0AP40aXeYKwoAoZEO13DSCrjlFKLFZ++B7IT6zfN/uWxreLUewAqu+fUYkqTv aGRw2f/mOP1EKdMUanPZgkKeJsomYCebVz+KQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=cP80shkxdtYYBAfEXgZdyb7QWirrjcTbMPoKGAv3gu6dRj7x2GBqtoBI4KirkEweGI JFwOBGNoVm7m8R0YsT9WxiVI8B5qyCygPJszVZHbqkXQjxMZb9+T+KaeiWUtocW/lBvq gjS3DONmf5SLq7jU51EGQQNtRXnsBx5Z4GU9g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.178.102 with SMTP id e66mr6700263yhm.213.1304873864669; Sun, 08 May 2011 09:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.108.49 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2011 09:57:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01O115FQTZ9W00TT5M@mauve.mrochek.com> References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> <7F76CE17-4D2D-4978-9F2F-D9EDE4437BA0@daboo.name> <01O115FQTZ9W00TT5M@mauve.mrochek.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:57:44 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XpPCtgHrkRC0rj4eH7P2ar1Mbxw Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Ned Freed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: SIEVE Working Group Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 16:57:47 -0000 > And while I'm happy we can finesse this particular case by using some syn= tax > and semantic tricks, I have to point out that some of the assertions made= in > reviewing the original URL scheme proposal were quite simply wrong, =A0an= d it's > exactly the sort of mistake the IETF makes on a depressingly regular basi= s. > > In particular, the original response to this registration stated that: > > =A0The use and deployment of new URI schemes in the Internet infrastructu= re is > =A0costly ... > So again, being able to finesse the issue here is good. But sooner or lat= er > we're going to have to face up to the fact that our, I guess I'd call it > registration philosophy, is increasingly at odds with how protocols are > actually defined and used. Indeed, and that's what I was getting at when I said this: > The second is possible, but I actually think it's a > *worse* idea to define a URN namespace for "addrbook" than it is to > make a URI scheme for it. I don't see the harm to the Internet, to the registry, or to the concept of URIs of being fairly free in approving new URI schemes. But unless we rev BCP 115 (RFC 4395), that won't change. Barry From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Mon May 9 09:04:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481A8E06FD for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.398, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cSBaNhR4JLfj for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423FDE0815 for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.124] ((unknown) [62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Mon, 9 May 2011 16:58:00 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: NORDNS Message-ID: <4DC80F02.8060407@isode.com> Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 16:57:54 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> <7F76CE17-4D2D-4978-9F2F-D9EDE4437BA0@daboo.name> <01O115FQTZ9W00TT5M@mauve.mrochek.com> In-Reply-To: <01O115FQTZ9W00TT5M@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: SIEVE Working Group , Barry Leiba , Ned Freed Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 16:04:08 -0000 NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: >>On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Cyrus Daboo wrote: >> >> >>>Works for me. >>> >>> >>Great. I'd like to hear assent from Alexey and Ned before I make the >>changes. If they agree, I'll put it in and submit an -08 version. >> >> > >My main concern here is that the identifier be short and comprehensible, and >this seems to qualify. I really don't care what punctuation surrounds it as >long as it's simple, and this proposal works in that regard as well. > > I am Ok with it as well. >And while I'm happy we can finesse this particular case by using some syntax >and semantic tricks, I have to point out that some of the assertions made in >reviewing the original URL scheme proposal were quite simply wrong, and it's >exactly the sort of mistake the IETF makes on a depressingly regular basis. > >In particular, the original response to this registration stated that: > > The use and deployment of new URI schemes in the Internet infrastructure is > costly > >This is of course true in the sense that widespread deployment in mutiple >protocols and applications is costly. But that's not what we were trying to do >and the assumption that this is what everyone who registers a URI scheme (or >media type or charset or whatever) is doing is nonsensical. > +1. >We were trying to define a mechanism for use in a single context in a single >protocol. If other protocols decided the mechanism made sufficient sense to >adopt, great, but if not that's fine too. Identifiers are cheap. > >So again, being able to finesse the issue here is good. But sooner or later >we're going to have to face up to the fact that our, I guess I'd call it >registration philosophy, is increasingly at odds with how protocols are >actually defined and used. > > Agreed. > > From cyrus@daboo.name Mon May 9 09:17:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB62E0823 for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:17:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 65xfZNe1SdZC for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7246E07EA for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404805E5FD7; Mon, 9 May 2011 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.daboo.name [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A2YQfYeDaHHx; Mon, 9 May 2011 12:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.45.162.46]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E4FE5E5FCC; Mon, 9 May 2011 12:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 12:17:08 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Alexey Melnikov , NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Message-ID: <051226EAC6FCA033271FBC27@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: <4DC80F02.8060407@isode.com> References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> <7F76CE17-4D2D-4978-9F2F-D9EDE4437BA0@daboo.name> <01O115FQTZ9W00TT5M@mauve.mrochek.com> <4DC80F02.8060407@isode.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=721 Cc: Ned Freed , Barry Leiba , SIEVE Working Group Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 16:17:17 -0000 Hi Alexey, --On May 9, 2011 4:57:54 PM +0100 Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>> Great. I'd like to hear assent from Alexey and Ned before I make the >>> changes. If they agree, I'll put it in and submit an -08 version. >>> >>> >> >> My main concern here is that the identifier be short and comprehensible, >> and this seems to qualify. I really don't care what punctuation >> surrounds it as long as it's simple, and this proposal works in that >> regard as well. >> >> > I am Ok with it as well. OK, then once Barry updates the spec I will ask for one more week of review by the working group to ensure the changes are OK, then we can move ahead with submission to the IESG. -- Cyrus Daboo From barryleiba@gmail.com Mon May 9 09:23:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BACE0840 for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.307 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.330, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s6FKmTuPcFwV for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB79E0807 for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so2344321gyf.31 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 09:23:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RUk8eN6ApdmnSw1yR/JpXveBucmWw637NHfB47L9Ne4=; b=abmWZM5rKkQr1LTc255WBStJGk5aiH1CcAzwEENbMsWF25HgxhB0uOpGtRpwVD9EKZ mfHtLi3tv/OpY3PmC2YFPEe0egyS6dlfjhebgoq+axo4wH6DjjFJPvjphN83QRI+9owA J7UjWD0QuvnECPXXH1MYfhGQm+K3Y3S5czB2E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=wYe5RHr0P5DpoG6M5AefgIoaAwQIWIfJOnHA0mCuGmeW+SOR3B8/b0NtpDhfgaZRO6 Ts09A15A05M4IFoFdYKGWlCW5uQ2xgsmoAgYH4F7yQRa+yQBEdfoi+V+WYgizznL2n0r gQu66ii2hkemN2XJri368jlnYzeKbK8P+J+hk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.191.226 with SMTP id g62mr8395463yhn.12.1304958182134; Mon, 09 May 2011 09:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.108.49 with HTTP; Mon, 9 May 2011 09:23:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <051226EAC6FCA033271FBC27@caldav.corp.apple.com> References: <20110421144501.29652.47331.idtracker@ietfc.amsl.com> <8C356019D437AF31A417582E@cyrus.local> <8830.1304783727.912842@puncture> <8830.1304784767.890216@puncture> <7F76CE17-4D2D-4978-9F2F-D9EDE4437BA0@daboo.name> <01O115FQTZ9W00TT5M@mauve.mrochek.com> <4DC80F02.8060407@isode.com> <051226EAC6FCA033271FBC27@caldav.corp.apple.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 12:23:01 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d2b5YfejNx84dB6aEyBoYDbluzI Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Cyrus Daboo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Ned Freed , SIEVE Working Group Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-07.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 16:23:03 -0000 >> I am Ok with it as well. > > OK, then once Barry updates the spec I will ask for one more week of review > by the working group to ensure the changes are OK, then we can move ahead > with submission to the IESG. I'll try to get the changes done today or tomorrow. Barry From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon May 9 19:00:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDDAE09DA; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qt4k1tkofhsz; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111FFE09D9; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:00:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.53 Message-ID: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 19:00:03 -0700 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 02:00:04 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Sieve Mail Filtering Language Working Group of the IETF. Title : Sieve Extension: Externally Stored Lists Author(s) : A. Melnikov, B. Leiba Filename : draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2011-05-09 The Sieve scripting language can be used to implement whitelisting, blacklisting, personal distribution lists, and other sorts of list matching. Currently, this requires that all members of such lists be hardcoded in the script itself. Whenever a member of a list is added or deleted, the script needs to be updated and possibly uploaded to a mail server. This document defines a Sieve extension for accessing externally stored lists -- lists whose members are stored externally to the script, such as using LDAP (RFC 4510), ACAP (RFC 2244), CardDAV (work in progress), or relational databases. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-05-09185934.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Mon May 9 19:07:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1116FE0849 for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:07:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.362 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.362 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.385, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mFUk6MdRuegk for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDB7E06F1 for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywi6 with SMTP id 6so2530630ywi.31 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 19:07:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HTp86fdcUaZKBO4kXDIABIFkXCIhfydsCBtNHYCaVO8=; b=Y9H+31sAozklUS5o9EWEAgeQMH/eeEMfyrDW+Y/a2GPntdO4oNpnQc/qDmnI0LYg0f fYeyGJImasaYf3GbWhdjG66pQek9pMVyQPwaC8V2ftnJy6txBHPKciuo+gZ4K7YdCXdV FSLoeDnFMZr/IQJrLfjEyXDwrGa/L/KcJ7Eeg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=D0VfcMcI4YuZhwlh6mYIbOJ3wPSqUl7oTg3soiBMbnMBCFwkOTrLcjdErgerVyQQRA Movk3QPNwFOvDOIA9oCRDULuLJNrTlCmQdkIcpcSOwfXLMAZISDkx5p4rUjxcrkr4vsl Bm8QNijRK0mtOPujB/c7/ewrM++bv4UvWnFiE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.73.41 with SMTP id v41mr6635653yba.106.1304993265485; Mon, 09 May 2011 19:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.147.137.13 with HTTP; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:07:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:07:45 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4jPfBE7nd6iYPMIvvJtw0URsby4 Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: sieve@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 02:07:47 -0000 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : Sieve Extension: Externally St= ored Lists > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : A. Melnikov, B. Leiba > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-= 08.txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 18 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2011-05-09 ... > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.tx= t This is the update that implements the changes discussed in this thread: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sieve/current/msg04981.html Please review it carefully, because I had to split what had formerly been the URI scheme registration into four parts: 1. Section 4.5, which registers the "sieve" IETF URN sub-namespace (defines "urn:ietf:params:sieve"). 2. Section 4.3, which creates a Sieve URN parameter registry. 3. Section 4.4, which registers "addrbook" as the first Sieve URN parameter= . 4. Section 2.6, which specifies the details for the "addrbook" URN paramete= r. There are also significant changes in section 2.5 (Syntax of an Externally Stored List Name). And everywhere else that "addrbook:" was used I replaced it with ":addrbook:" (mostly, that's the examples and the Security Considerations). So let's make sure I got it all right, OK? Thanks. Barry From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Mon May 9 19:27:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E49E0857 for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:27:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.357 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.357 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.380, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id phZy1QZzm-nc for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B837E0849 for ; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so2573552gxk.31 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 19:27:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iYEEbP1ehRGagH6wIBDCRLY6emRCvUY6abMTwsZF4wM=; b=a3Rcr2Iu1JmjlzB8QoRGMIQ8R4vo+4yzERBjGso7kgAguZfN+0v5TH4XUBJWhuEwCO Y5sh5kbEQWuqNR+38R0IG7MOdQOcrj+QX1KUlW0mmJFF2U7F9GH6TFwxBLGpOu4tS5NH lddiREbIwEIBnGBReLCguwBSRih1Gw8sqfz9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=tBSVBWqgPBzttytq4WoKx1hGhNnpXsZw594gZjKhoClc9x2Vc8RWTHY8/Th7/yb7Zx 70gXl25HDsgE/u/wC4A9FbYUIh/hCzworyC2GV6U7rqpA6axv7AwcJ+hXctXademAyQs 606bKvO+SosuF8w5AWwH233Vc6O+NhMSm4gQs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.92.15 with SMTP id u15mr6041916ybl.220.1304993988667; Mon, 09 May 2011 19:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.147.137.13 with HTTP; Mon, 9 May 2011 19:19:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:19:48 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: U7_TJWKuCC37pDHGNHMy9iApBXY Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: sieve@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 02:27:55 -0000 > Please review it carefully, because I had to split what had formerly > been the URI scheme registration into four parts: > > 1. Section 4.5, which registers the "sieve" IETF URN sub-namespace > (defines "urn:ietf:params:sieve"). > > 2. Section 4.3, which creates a Sieve URN parameter registry. > > 3. Section 4.4, which registers "addrbook" as the first Sieve URN paramet= er. > > 4. Section 2.6, which specifies the details for the "addrbook" URN parame= ter. ... > So let's make sure I got it all right, OK? =A0Thanks. Damn: I already found one thing I'd missed. Replace the beginning of section 4.3 with this: The following requests IANA to create a new registry under "Sieve Extensions" for Sieve URN Parameters. Registration into this registry is according= to the "Specification Required" policy [RFC5226]. (And I added a normative reference to RFC 5226.) Barry From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Thu May 12 04:05:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4648E076D for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 04:05:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.274 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.274 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.325, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JtlABFFkYsbx for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 04:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800D7E0768 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 04:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.124] ((unknown) [62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Thu, 12 May 2011 12:04:56 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: NORDNS Message-ID: <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 12:04:42 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Barry Leiba References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:05:01 -0000 Barry Leiba wrote: >> Title : Sieve Extension: Externally Stored Lists >> Author(s) : A. Melnikov, B. Leiba >> Filename : draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt >> Pages : 18 >> Date : 2011-05-09 >> >> >... > > >>A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt >> >> > >This is the update that implements the changes discussed in this thread: >http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sieve/current/msg04981.html > >Please review it carefully, because I had to split what had formerly >been the URI scheme registration into four parts: > >1. Section 4.5, which registers the "sieve" IETF URN sub-namespace >(defines "urn:ietf:params:sieve"). > >2. Section 4.3, which creates a Sieve URN parameter registry. > >3. Section 4.4, which registers "addrbook" as the first Sieve URN parameter. > >4. Section 2.6, which specifies the details for the "addrbook" URN parameter. > >There are also significant changes in section 2.5 (Syntax of an >Externally Stored List Name). And everywhere else that "addrbook:" >was used I replaced it with ":addrbook:" (mostly, that's the examples >and the Security Considerations). > >So let's make sure I got it all right, OK? Thanks. > You changes seem Ok. One nit: In Section 3: Applications SHOULD ensure appropriate restrictions are in place to protect sensitive information that might be revealed by "addrbook" URIs from access or modification by untrusted sources. Should this be "URNs"? From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Thu May 12 06:10:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E46E0784 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 06:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.415, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zt7dy6cSUMSh for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 06:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AE7E0735 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 06:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so638022gyf.31 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 06:10:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qnjuk7oVTqXLe4Jiv3/LqJn/NEqgXSAP5qPHe1cEaxU=; b=NW9dXSSi6F/0OTd1DEcVgQxCCKuaJmtQ9sVASzu3GU/83Flt8RHGgUq5CX35bDe2W/ G/m0LdSuwxk5j22FFslVfvOHS9Kln1cijN2NNmWI30MaoABZdfLSX4a9pq6zd6bDw8BT evamTAB9bIcgFJFVvKReBTrzGn0i+b57cK2bs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=j1lwxXBkqKX04xFmbeXti42c1Gltf/RERR6AApmR1gaaOqMBVF3cFmMq8J40zSoUsp HTRWv22DPXPEmLEBozzJA7ICrmcTKi4YK6U/iZOLdNCrp2zkmovrZnx8CfTCrewI6c9Z xTR3ltFdOMFNL1lKfOTLEw1qovGWu1ewcy6dk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.146.130.8 with SMTP id c8mr127481yad.31.1305205815570; Thu, 12 May 2011 06:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.147.169.14 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2011 06:10:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VblBzrgB0p_DNRphgNRKqQ3oXng Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Alexey Melnikov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:10:17 -0000 > In Section 3: > > =A0 Applications SHOULD ensure appropriate restrictions are in place to > =A0 protect sensitive information that might be revealed by "addrbook" > =A0 URIs from access or modification by untrusted sources. > > Should this be "URNs"? I actually thought about that in every place where I talk about them. URNs are URIs, after all, and I'm not sure when I should say "URN" and when "URI". Is that the only place that "addrbook URI" is left? If so, I guess I should change it. Barry From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Thu May 12 07:03:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A28DE06BE for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 07:03:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DkztWfyIY912 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 07:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558CEE067E for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 07:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.124] ((unknown) [62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Thu, 12 May 2011 15:03:17 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: NORDNS Message-ID: <4DCBE887.8010500@isode.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:02:47 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Barry Leiba References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:03:20 -0000 Barry Leiba wrote: >>In Section 3: >> >> Applications SHOULD ensure appropriate restrictions are in place to >> protect sensitive information that might be revealed by "addrbook" >> URIs from access or modification by untrusted sources. >> >>Should this be "URNs"? >> >> >I actually thought about that in every place where I talk about them. >URNs are URIs, after all, > Yes, but strictly speaking '"addrbook" URI' is not correct. >and I'm not sure when I should say "URN" and >when "URI". Is that the only place that "addrbook URI" is left? > That is the only place I've noticed. >If so, I guess I should change it. > > From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Thu May 12 11:14:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A656CE06C6 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 11:14:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.835 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.835 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xcPPxDgvEJNm for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 11:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com (mail-gw0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A68E06A1 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 11:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so788342gwb.31 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 11:14:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=W+eW35MBK3su2MYzrSPCPK7JzTZo6FEKanIfm/gwPA8=; b=BifHlSQtplJ8Mq6PhMKBik3aF9s4X6YE+H94TOWULGan2uGCBIJkefpG9AHElD40Ss ndgQrZg6d67BeQGeRwiil7w2dHroF1HbYzMZYkBNZU0LvBUpjV/u/sP3OCKFm3sBLsAN y+BUnPZ558kMSp4BRX0inBvFti1eKRqjngKYA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=Ihm9Z4HGfc0xPGq7Ja7vCxZyC6OQo76gNHOVr6v5lDs25ZPgyedD8eleIECFeGiyPR ByW7TfJHEwVICRNhjTAtLbi/0WZ5f1JRZWu0qwAVLGa329T+hZ0ycVcDt1T25Z0/xm60 vo05q17KQICNdi5KbWb0Cz4K2OMGSigt69qrg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.168.9 with SMTP id j9mr684080yhl.77.1305224043647; Thu, 12 May 2011 11:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.147.169.14 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2011 11:14:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DCBE887.8010500@isode.com> References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> <4DCBE887.8010500@isode.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:14:03 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EEEy8GDXkwJj45iX8ItMAAqs0yc Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Alexey Melnikov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 18:14:04 -0000 > Yes, but strictly speaking '"addrbook" URI' is not correct. ... > That is the only place I've noticed. Changed in my working copy. Cyrus, Ned -- can you review soon? Thanks. Barry From cyrus@daboo.name Thu May 12 18:36:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEFBE0680 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 18:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gGKY1BdhzkEw for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 18:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80F3E0593 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 18:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1A769AFB0; Thu, 12 May 2011 21:36:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.daboo.name [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2OkPNoH+01Mv; Thu, 12 May 2011 21:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.1.7] (unknown [10.0.1.7]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9816669AFA5; Thu, 12 May 2011 21:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:36:43 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Barry Leiba , Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <5951F3BD774C48AF5782E528@cyrus.local> In-Reply-To: References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> <4DCBE887.8010500@isode.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=627 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 01:36:46 -0000 Hi Barry, --On May 12, 2011 2:14:03 PM -0400 Barry Leiba wrote: >> That is the only place I've noticed. > > Changed in my working copy. > > Cyrus, Ned -- can you review soon? Thanks. I had a look early on and the basics seemed fine. I just need to double-check the urn registration procedures then I will be happy. Is there any "expert" reviewer for URNs (beyond the IESG)? I don't see anything obvious. It might also be worth posting a note back to the URI review list to let them know the direction we have taken. Some of those folks may want to review the new approach. -- Cyrus Daboo From barryleiba@gmail.com Thu May 12 19:20:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7F8E07AA for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 19:20:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.346 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.346 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.369, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mn+f7O-qMiGt for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 19:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BE5E072E for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 19:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxk30 with SMTP id 30so941319yxk.31 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DD2cNpHPjNjmpSUcde5JwgFRNJeSnTn2HJ3l6m2Yi6k=; b=h6dMO5edvidUDTMlmya0RyThz8LCctxELKzTju21tCeQNIsPn5BFvu1kfCpUYe9cp7 gRnWtElVKldv54ouDCnzFBV78K8EI25fzoY8W0vXLAgYAmir/gaq6jdSWuQkCHEyz1wV U/7fN6PwpWE+vRAE9USFQ20PZmEUdtO1v4DuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=bDCDrGurJwx9mOqhnHApOkuPxmSODdwTldEE/1qEmcWcMZ5dSl5eMT2GutxjqWbD2t N9DnVCSgxCcC8xkOQf7dW+Mxy8LpWYPKRuRGwdjdBUk9N4C8UogFtepjFtN1TfWFn/Ie 9KfxZEwmGh5yYDwUkTqtwWx5QlTy+NI8BggN0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.92.51 with SMTP id i39mr1071069yhf.79.1305253257780; Thu, 12 May 2011 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.108.49 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2011 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5951F3BD774C48AF5782E528@cyrus.local> References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> <4DCBE887.8010500@isode.com> <5951F3BD774C48AF5782E528@cyrus.local> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 22:20:57 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oTwDu4hWJlfdl_kz-RxIX9sQ97c Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Cyrus Daboo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 02:20:59 -0000 > I had a look early on and the basics seemed fine. I just need to > double-check the urn registration procedures then I will be happy. Is there > any "expert" reviewer for URNs (beyond the IESG)? I don't see anything > obvious. No... as I read 3553, it's just the IESG and IANA. > It might also be worth posting a note back to the URI review list to let > them know the direction we have taken. Some of those folks may want to > review the new approach. I don't think they have any standing to review it. We're out of their jurisdiction at this point. Barry From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed May 18 08:02:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78828E0728; Wed, 18 May 2011 08:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oL-xsRU8xhqs; Wed, 18 May 2011 08:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5EBE06FB; Wed, 18 May 2011 08:02:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.54 Message-ID: <20110518150221.20034.978.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:02:21 -0700 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: [sieve] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-09.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 15:02:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Sieve Mail Filtering Language Working= Group of the IETF. Title : Sieve Extension: Externally Stored Lists Author(s) : Alexey Melnikov Barry Leiba Filename : draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-09.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2011-05-18 The Sieve scripting language can be used to implement whitelisting, blacklisting, personal distribution lists, and other sorts of list matching. Currently, this requires that all members of such lists be hardcoded in the script itself. Whenever a member of a list is added or deleted, the script needs to be updated and possibly uploaded to a mail server. This document defines a Sieve extension for accessing externally stored lists -- lists whose members are stored externally to the script, such as using LDAP (RFC 4510), ACAP (RFC 2244), CardDAV (work in progress), or relational databases. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-09.txt From cyrus@daboo.name Wed May 18 19:22:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDC7E06C8 for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 19:22:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rLJh8qObcKjd for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 19:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5294DE06C2 for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 19:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFB38BF877 for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 22:22:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.daboo.name [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uvcJO+83nNwZ for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 22:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [17.45.162.218] (unknown [151.201.22.177]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D20F8BF86C for ; Wed, 18 May 2011 22:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:22:28 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: SIEVE Message-ID: <2D311EEEC7A146523BF9B733@[17.45.162.218]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=428 Subject: [sieve] external lists implementations current or planned X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 02:22:32 -0000 Hi folks, In order to complete the shepherd write-up for draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-09.txt I need to know who has or is planning to implement this extension. Please reply to the mailing list or direct to me with details of what you have done or are planning to do with this extension. I need this information ASAP so we can send this draft on its way, so speedy responses will be appreciated, thanks. -- Cyrus Daboo From robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com Thu May 19 01:07:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91A4E0760 for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 01:07:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3+MKf9nge7Xw for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 01:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80221E070A for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 01:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so1780449wwa.13 for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 01:07:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ek18c8/491clkSABs2FMJp5WswFasyoAVkWyuW2thvY=; b=nh/zuoDtNGNS3sWr9kllADmsIUnHXtNeVi3fgqfvqKczTqfE6OiCQ2XJ8cxrlgtP04 AxoytbL70jklcjp9TjEt3d3Qz4C3r/c0F3jOfDTktYQh4Hd4KqXWWFC/11xapNsEn8/C cRfwwCmVfPr8km8LhUhMRPpgPh+mqObhMfwD4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=kt4PJbDjuAO8U0mEpdyofuK3HNoRQbfaJdxUfpFoRjy6H7rDrd5hP1mkP8Z+J3dG0l YeiJoGXQfCUaUuBdGAsbSuZYXDptEK9PQ78jANitKsyLGR6Hf+Wlyw1LfqdZydnVAcFI AP0rSron/Ugw9DAj3ru6EU94Tt3dnlglHuSkw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.237.102 with SMTP id x80mr5826084weq.111.1305792475386; Thu, 19 May 2011 01:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.156.137 with HTTP; Thu, 19 May 2011 01:07:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2D311EEEC7A146523BF9B733@17.45.162.218> References: <2D311EEEC7A146523BF9B733@17.45.162.218> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:07:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: Robert Burrell Donkin To: Cyrus Daboo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: SIEVE Subject: Re: [sieve] external lists implementations current or planned X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 08:07:57 -0000 On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Hi folks, > In order to complete the shepherd write-up for > draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-09.txt I need to know who has or is planning > to implement this extension. Please reply to the mailing list or direct to > me with details of what you have done or are planning to do with this > extension. I need this information ASAP so we can send this draft on its > way, so speedy responses will be appreciated, thanks. Apache James (providing my recovery continues) Robert From NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Thu May 19 10:58:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D29E06AE for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 10:58:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0PIfnufJ9NnK for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 10:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [66.59.230.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B81E06CA for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 10:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dkim-sign.mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O1GN0P147400SQEC@mauve.mrochek.com> for sieve@ietf.org; Thu, 19 May 2011 10:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O1F9VANZUO00VHKR@mauve.mrochek.com> (original mail from NED@mauve.mrochek.com) for sieve@ietf.org; Thu, 19 May 2011 10:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Message-id: <01O1GN0JU06000VHKR@mauve.mrochek.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:38:59 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: "Your message dated Thu, 12 May 2011 14:14:03 -0400" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> <4DCBE887.8010500@isode.com> To: Barry Leiba DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mrochek.com; s=mauve; t=1305827325; i=@mrochek.com; bh=34pZ3OAxYGxAdPgSE2sM6NDZzqScpe5NrMxzD9kwTYY=; h=From:Cc:Message-id:Date:Subject:In-reply-to:MIME-version: Content-type:References:To; b=FaURI6G0ns1NHTVHCtADXt8z9nqBDj7c5/dJOJfAecaq8miwioWBKJXXLZHI8xhDs Mrl0kKP57PhZbDD1nJxcSRdUxneH60ANU7aulq9At2tiTE94pGXPvKsVRgv1ogmKyn XLpNCE3xkKPZeGpQauESioSTflsWPvejW7qZAOn0= Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:58:29 -0000 > > Yes, but strictly speaking '"addrbook" URI' is not correct. > ... > > That is the only place I've noticed. > Changed in my working copy. > Cyrus, Ned -- can you review soon? Thanks. I just did a complete review of -09, and also updated our implementation to match. The one thing I wanted to point out is that section 2.6 is going to end up in the IANA registry in it's entirety, including the text about the example parameter values. I think this is OK, but want to be sure nobody else thinks it might confuse people into thinking all these names actually need to be implemented. The only other thing that occurred to me is that we could add a variant of example 2 showing how to use string :list if currentdate doesn't support :list directly. Something like: require ["extlists", "date", "enotify", "variables"]; if currentdate :matches "date" *" { set "cd" "${0}"; if string :list "${cd}" "date" "tag:example.com,2011-01-01:localHolidays" { notify "xmpp:romeo@im.example.com"; } } I certainly don't insist on this addition but I thought it might be helpful. Ned From barryleiba@gmail.com Thu May 19 11:13:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD22DE06CA for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 11:13:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.29 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.29 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.313, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6FzXaen7iZrS for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 11:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF94E06AE for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 11:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywp31 with SMTP id 31so1227207ywp.31 for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 11:13:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dUXr5EkjgwZPgxavO1qtiH+lK6Xepgcan5jbGK6sHsM=; b=o3ZnA9gW860scuucRsxWQnm3zmXw768zgH4yYuT74Fa/ShlxA3Q9mY/g3WKubfY9uJ oePKofHgtBhj2Upz9vTwuMbDrheBy6/QyLH07p6ApAGtm2Ij9p1fgnSaBVpOGbVbCUTv vyt/zkUKFavEfHO8jQRXnYbEJdZZg4anToMRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=k+3A5fCLFpqJNV+FI+uskAqjVo1C5EHNHeHnTIi/U6YZBdwLUqQr0IkP/AD76Z1EWz +FKzaaA2yjuXR/kVvNRu2KFu6iIEoFsyk9uzw8RwIrhcgY5eRazSCCMV0kD8cbgGSFoR W4hMTSsuYtOs7mDsdvhDHM1ykAUmTpBLG2hso= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.168.33 with SMTP id j21mr3881182yhl.12.1305828826700; Thu, 19 May 2011 11:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.108.49 with HTTP; Thu, 19 May 2011 11:13:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01O1GN0JU06000VHKR@mauve.mrochek.com> References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> <4DCBE887.8010500@isode.com> <01O1GN0JU06000VHKR@mauve.mrochek.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 14:13:46 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Z11KkGxeWxeIFILAUEmxT2_bfos Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Ned Freed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 18:13:48 -0000 > The one thing I wanted to point out is that section 2.6 is going to end > up in the IANA registry in it's entirety, including the text about the example > parameter values. I think this is OK, but want to be sure nobody else thinks it > might confuse people into thinking all these names actually need to be > implemented. I don't think so (first sentence), and I can certainly make sure it doesn't when we get the IANA actions note. The intent is that the only thing in the registry is "addrbook" and the reference to section 2.6 of RFC xxxx as where the doc lives. The stuff in sec 2.6 is simply the documentation that has to exist, as required by the reg template. Section 4.3 says that the registry has "URN parameter name" and "Reference". Under "reference", it goes on to say what information MUST exist in the *reference*, but not in the *registry*. Barry From cyrus@daboo.name Thu May 19 12:05:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB90E0764 for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YH-Z3lVaTLyZ for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55A5E06BE for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 12:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750B78E6096; Thu, 19 May 2011 15:05:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.daboo.name [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vhGmcQrRwzlr; Thu, 19 May 2011 15:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldav.corp.apple.com (unknown [17.45.162.46]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB96A8E608A; Thu, 19 May 2011 15:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:05:43 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com, Barry Leiba Message-ID: <1699916FE6E3CF01F926146B@caldav.corp.apple.com> In-Reply-To: <01O1GN0JU06000VHKR@mauve.mrochek.com> References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> <4DCBE887.8010500@isode.com> <01O1GN0JU06000VHKR@mauve.mrochek.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=261 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 19:05:49 -0000 Hi, --On May 19, 2011 10:38:59 AM -0700 NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: > I just did a complete review of -09, and also updated our implementation > to match. I'll take this as a reply to my question about implementations - thanks! -- Cyrus Daboo From NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Thu May 19 12:47:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86312E0831 for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 12:47:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1hyCvjpRTF3b for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 12:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [66.59.230.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BDAE082C for ; Thu, 19 May 2011 12:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dkim-sign.mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O1GQTBP3AO00Q3W8@mauve.mrochek.com> for sieve@ietf.org; Thu, 19 May 2011 12:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01O1F9VANZUO00VHKR@mauve.mrochek.com> (original mail from NED@mauve.mrochek.com) for sieve@ietf.org; Thu, 19 May 2011 12:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: NED+mta-filters@mauve.mrochek.com Message-id: <01O1GQTA4PMO00VHKR@mauve.mrochek.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:46:39 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: "Your message dated Thu, 19 May 2011 14:13:46 -0400" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN References: <20110510020003.25729.95922.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4DCBBECA.1080105@isode.com> <4DCBE887.8010500@isode.com> <01O1GN0JU06000VHKR@mauve.mrochek.com> To: Barry Leiba DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mrochek.com; s=mauve; t=1305833841; i=@mrochek.com; bh=MnSt/YYhSRcLcyOsZLl7QvncjT7qelrzg4tNroIS9uQ=; h=From:Cc:Message-id:Date:Subject:In-reply-to:MIME-version: Content-type:References:To; b=GWRClCxw6RAj6wocp4HUWzU7zKDpUBR32DxzHykn9jIkxxQTEIddt15uqjHyimEGu 6pg8kmhLSHvRcS1IN6ohbrlZ02vdlnTpVs08hO6awzORH/GGb1oVvVggSpe2fQ3fAf 6NOMAcWp7NOx9pwrc98Tg1ornBN5pERjNcPIIULI= Cc: Ned Freed , sieve@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sieve] I-D Action:draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists-08.txt X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 19:47:05 -0000 > > The one thing I wanted to point out is that section 2.6 is going to end > > up in the IANA registry in it's entirety, including the text about the example > > parameter values. I think this is OK, but want to be sure nobody else thinks it > > might confuse people into thinking all these names actually need to be > > implemented. > I don't think so (first sentence), and I can certainly make sure it > doesn't when we get the IANA actions note. The intent is that the > only thing in the registry is "addrbook" and the reference to section > 2.6 of RFC xxxx as where the doc lives. The stuff in sec 2.6 is > simply the documentation that has to exist, as required by the reg > template. > Section 4.3 says that the registry has "URN parameter name" and > "Reference". Under "reference", it goes on to say what information > MUST exist in the *reference*, but not in the *registry*. OK, then is shouldn't be an issue. Ned From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Mon May 23 15:57:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sieve@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A11E0817; Mon, 23 May 2011 15:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id acEY80PhM71W; Mon, 23 May 2011 15:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852D9E067B; Mon, 23 May 2011 15:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.54 Message-ID: <20110523225728.11394.80760.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 15:57:28 -0700 Cc: sieve@ietf.org Subject: [sieve] Last Call: (Sieve Extension: Externally Stored Lists) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: sieve@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: SIEVE Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 22:57:29 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Sieve Mail Filtering Language WG (sieve) to consider the following document: - 'Sieve Extension: Externally Stored Lists' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2011-06-06. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract The Sieve scripting language can be used to implement whitelisting, blacklisting, personal distribution lists, and other sorts of list matching. Currently, this requires that all members of such lists be hardcoded in the script itself. Whenever a member of a list is added or deleted, the script needs to be updated and possibly uploaded to a mail server. This document defines a Sieve extension for accessing externally stored lists -- lists whose members are stored externally to the script, such as using LDAP (RFC 4510), ACAP (RFC 2244), CardDAV (work in progress), or relational databases. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sieve-external-lists/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.