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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the SIP Overload Control Working Group of the=
 IETF.

	Title           : A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Load Control Event P=
ackage
	Author(s)       : Charles Shen
                          Henning Schulzrinne
                          Arata Koike
	Filename        : draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-10.txt
	Pages           : 42
	Date            : 2013-11-04

Abstract:
   We define a load control event package for the Session Initiation
   Protocol (SIP).  It allows SIP entities to distribute load filtering
   policies to other SIP entities in the network.  The load filtering
   policies contain rules to throttle calls based on their source or
   destination domain, telephone number prefix or for a specific user.
   The mechanism helps to prevent signaling overload and complements
   feedback-based SIP overload control efforts.


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The IESG has received a request from the SIP Overload Control WG (soc) to
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Abstract


   We define a load control event package for the Session Initiation
   Protocol (SIP).  It allows SIP entities to distribute load filtering
   policies to other SIP entities in the network.  The load filtering
   policies contain rules to throttle calls based on their source or
   destination domain, telephone number prefix or for a specific user.
   The mechanism helps to prevent signaling overload and complements
   feedback-based SIP overload control efforts.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.



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I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-AR=
T, please see the FAQ at

<http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>.

Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you m=
ay receive.

Document: draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-10.txt
Reviewer: Dan Romascanu
Review Date: 11/19/13
IETF LC End Date: 11/19/13
IESG Telechat date: (if known)

Summary: The document is ready, there are a few minor issues which are wort=
h being clarified.=20

Major issues: None.

Minor issues:

1. I had some issues with the examples in the introduction.=20

>  There are three common examples of legitimate short-term increases in
   call volumes.  Viewer-voting TV shows or ticket giveaways may
   generate millions of calls within a few minutes.  Call volume may
   also spike during special holidays such as New Year's Day and
   Mother's Day. Finally, callers may want to reach friends and family
   in natural disaster areas such as those affected by hurricanes.  When
   possible, only calls traversing overloaded servers should be
   throttled under those conditions.

I am not sure what the term 'legitimate' means here. I would rather say tha=
t the paragraph rather deals with increases in call volumes that happen at =
predictable moments in time (assuming here that the time a hurricane hits a=
 certain geographic zone is predicted by weather forecasters). There would =
be one more example to add here - the end-of-season (of month, of year) pea=
ks in phone orders.=20

There is another category of unpredicted/unpredictable events which is ment=
ioned a few paragraphs later, and which puts a slightly different set of re=
quirements. The list already includes earthquakes or terrorist attacks, it =
may add the increase in traffic on call centers that provide troubleshootin=
g services when a mass service fails.=20

A slight re-organization of this text would improve clarity.=20

2. In Section 4 - Design Requirements:=20

  o  The solution should draw upon experiences from related PSTN
      mechanisms where applicable.

I have no clue what this section means in the absence of a reference and/or=
 a list of what PSTN mechanisms are to be considered.=20

Also, in the same list of requirements I miss an explicit requirement on pe=
rsistency.=20

3. In Section 5.4 in the compliance list - I believe that compliance to the=
 SIP Event Notification Framework [RFC 6665] should be added.=20

Nits/editorial comments:





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Dear Dan,

Thank you very much for your review. Please see inline.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
<dromasca@avaya.com>wrote:

>
> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on
> Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at
>
> <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>.
>
> Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you
> may receive.
>
> Document: draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-10.txt
> Reviewer: Dan Romascanu
> Review Date: 11/19/13
> IETF LC End Date: 11/19/13
> IESG Telechat date: (if known)
>
> Summary: The document is ready, there are a few minor issues which are
> worth being clarified.
>
> Major issues: None.
>
> Minor issues:
>
> 1. I had some issues with the examples in the introduction.
>
> >  There are three common examples of legitimate short-term increases in
>    call volumes.  Viewer-voting TV shows or ticket giveaways may
>    generate millions of calls within a few minutes.  Call volume may
>    also spike during special holidays such as New Year's Day and
>    Mother's Day. Finally, callers may want to reach friends and family
>    in natural disaster areas such as those affected by hurricanes.  When
>    possible, only calls traversing overloaded servers should be
>    throttled under those conditions.
>
> I am not sure what the term 'legitimate' means here. I would rather say
> that the paragraph rather deals with increases in call volumes that happen
> at predictable moments in time (assuming here that the time a hurricane
> hits a certain geographic zone is predicted by weather forecasters). There
> would be one more example to add here - the end-of-season (of month, of
> year) peaks in phone orders.
>
> There is another category of unpredicted/unpredictable events which is
> mentioned a few paragraphs later, and which puts a slightly different set
> of requirements. The list already includes earthquakes or terrorist
> attacks, it may add the increase in traffic on call centers that provide
> troubleshooting services when a mass service fails.
>
> A slight re-organization of this text would improve clarity.
>


I have re-organized the contents a bit around the direction you suggested,
please let me know if that solves the clarity issue.


>
> 2. In Section 4 - Design Requirements:
>
>   o  The solution should draw upon experiences from related PSTN
>       mechanisms where applicable.
>
> I have no clue what this section means in the absence of a reference
> and/or a list of what PSTN mechanisms are to be considered.
>

The references have been added.


>
> Also, in the same list of requirements I miss an explicit requirement on
> persistency.
>


This part I am not sure if I understand clearly, could you please elaborate
a bit?



>
> 3. In Section 5.4 in the compliance list - I believe that compliance to
> the SIP Event Notification Framework [RFC 6665] should be added.
>


Added.


Thanks!

Charles

>
> Nits/editorial comments:
>
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Dan,<div><br></div><div>Thank you very much for your =
review. Please see inline.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dromasca@avaya.com" target=3D"_blank=
">dromasca@avaya.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-AR=
T, please see the FAQ at<br>
<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq</a>&=
gt;.<br>
<br>
Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you m=
ay receive.<br>
<br>
Document: draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-10.txt<br>
Reviewer: Dan Romascanu<br>
Review Date: 11/19/13<br>
IETF LC End Date: 11/19/13<br>
IESG Telechat date: (if known)<br>
<br>
Summary: The document is ready, there are a few minor issues which are wort=
h being clarified.<br>
<br>
Major issues: None.<br>
<br>
Minor issues:<br>
<br>
1. I had some issues with the examples in the introduction.<br>
<br>
&gt; =C2=A0There are three common examples of legitimate short-term increas=
es in<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0call volumes. =C2=A0Viewer-voting TV shows or ticket giveaways=
 may<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0generate millions of calls within a few minutes. =C2=A0Call vo=
lume may<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0also spike during special holidays such as New Year&#39;s Day =
and<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Mother&#39;s Day. Finally, callers may want to reach friends a=
nd family<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in natural disaster areas such as those affected by hurricanes=
. =C2=A0When<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0possible, only calls traversing overloaded servers should be<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0throttled under those conditions.<br>
<br>
I am not sure what the term &#39;legitimate&#39; means here. I would rather=
 say that the paragraph rather deals with increases in call volumes that ha=
ppen at predictable moments in time (assuming here that the time a hurrican=
e hits a certain geographic zone is predicted by weather forecasters). Ther=
e would be one more example to add here - the end-of-season (of month, of y=
ear) peaks in phone orders.<br>


<br>
There is another category of unpredicted/unpredictable events which is ment=
ioned a few paragraphs later, and which puts a slightly different set of re=
quirements. The list already includes earthquakes or terrorist attacks, it =
may add the increase in traffic on call centers that provide troubleshootin=
g services when a mass service fails.<br>


<br>
A slight re-organization of this text would improve clarity.<br></blockquot=
e><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I have re-organized the contents a bit=
 around the direction you suggested, please let me know if that solves the =
clarity issue.=C2=A0</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
2. In Section 4 - Design Requirements:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 o =C2=A0The solution should draw upon experiences from related PSTN<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mechanisms where applicable.<br>
<br>
I have no clue what this section means in the absence of a reference and/or=
 a list of what PSTN mechanisms are to be considered.<br></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>The references have been added.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<br>
Also, in the same list of requirements I miss an explicit requirement on pe=
rsistency.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>This part I a=
m not sure if I understand clearly, could you please elaborate a bit?=C2=A0=
</div>

<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
3. In Section 5.4 in the compliance list - I believe that compliance to the=
 SIP Event Notification Framework [RFC 6665] should be added.<br></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Added.</div><div><br></div><div>

<br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Charles=C2=A0</div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Nits/editorial comments:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div>

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	Title           : A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Load Control Event P=
ackage
	Author(s)       : Charles Shen
                          Henning Schulzrinne
                          Arata Koike
	Filename        : draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-11.txt
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	Date            : 2013-11-24

Abstract:
   We define a load control event package for the Session Initiation
   Protocol (SIP).  It allows SIP entities to distribute load filtering
   policies to other SIP entities in the network.  The load filtering
   policies contain rules to throttle calls based on their source or
   destination domain, telephone number prefix or for a specific user.
   The mechanism helps to prevent signaling overload and complements
   feedback-based SIP overload control efforts.


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Hi Dan,

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <dromasca@avaya.com>wrote:

>
>
> Also, in the same list of requirements I miss an explicit requirement on
> persistency.
>
>
>
>
>
> This part I am not sure if I understand clearly, could you please
> elaborate a bit?
>
>
>
>  *[[DR]] *In section 5.3, second paragraph there are a couple of
> references to the persistency of subscriptions of neighboring SIP entities
> and periodic refresh. Should not this be mentioned explicitly in the list
> in Section 4?
>

I see what you mean. In fact I tend to think of this as one of those
micro-aspects that have been covered by existing macro-clauses.
Specifically, as Section 5.3 says:

 Key to this is the fact that following initial
   subscription, the notifier sends a notification without a body if no
   load filtering policy is defined (Section 6.7
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-11#section-6.7>),
and that the
   subscription needs to be refreshed periodically to make it
   persistent, as described in Section 4.1
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-11#section-4.1>
and Section 4.2 of [RFC6665]
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6665#section-4.2>.


The behavior of notifier sending a notification following initial
subscription is mandated in Section 6.7 of this document. And the behavior
of periodic refresh is specified in Section 4.1 and Section 4.2 of RFC
6665.

Both this document and RFC 6665 have already been explicitly listed in
Section 4 of this document. So they seem to have covered the persistency
issue.

That said, I am open to add another explicit clause for this aspect if you
really feel strongly about it. Please let me know. Thanks again!

Charles

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Dan,<div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dromasca@avaya.com" target=3D"_blank">dromas=
ca@avaya.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<div style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:blue;bord=
er-left-width:1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote =
style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,20=
4);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-r=
ight:0in">

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br>
Also, in the same list of requirements I miss an explicit requirement on pe=
rsistency.<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This part I am not sure if I understand clearly, cou=
ld you please elaborate a bit?=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:14.4pt">=C2=A0<b><i><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">[[DR]]
</span></i></b><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">In section 5.3, second =
paragraph there are a couple of references to the persistency of subscripti=
ons of neighboring SIP entities and periodic refresh. Should not this be me=
ntioned explicitly in the list in Section
 4?</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I se=
e what you mean. In fact I tend to think of this as one of those micro-aspe=
cts that have been covered by existing macro-clauses. Specifically, as Sect=
ion 5.3 says:</div>

<div><br></div><div><pre class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:1em;margin-top:0px;m=
argin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Key to this is the fact that following =
initial
   subscription, the notifier sends a notification without a body if no
   load filtering policy is defined (<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-11#section-6.7">Section 6.7</a>),=
 and that the
   subscription needs to be refreshed periodically to make it
   persistent, as described in <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-=
ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-11#section-4.1">Section 4.1</a> and <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6665#section-4.2">Section=C2=A04.2 of=
 [RFC6665]</a>.</pre>

</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The behavior of notifier sending a notification=
 following initial subscription is mandated in Section 6.7 of this document=
. And the behavior of periodic refresh is specified in Section 4.1 and Sect=
ion 4.2 of RFC 6665.=C2=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>Both this document and RFC 6665 have already been expli=
citly listed in Section 4 of this document. So they seem to have covered th=
e persistency issue.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, I am open to add a=
nother explicit clause for this aspect if you really feel strongly about it=
. Please let me know. Thanks again!</div>

<div><br></div><div>Charles=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div></div></div></div></div>

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That's great, I will keep it as in the current 11 version then. Again thank=
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From: charles.newyork@gmail.com [mailto:charles.newyork@gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Shen
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:06 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Cc: gen-art@ietf.org; draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package.all@tools.=
ietf.org; sip-overload@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Gen-ART review for draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-1=
0.txt











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Hi Dan,







=C2=A0


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) <dromasca@avaya.com> =
wrote:











Also, in the same list of requirements I miss an explicit requirement on =
persistency.





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=C2=A0






This part I am not sure if I understand clearly, could you please elaborate=
 a bit=3F=C2=A0






=C2=A0









=C2=A0[[DR]] In section 5.3, second paragraph there are a couple of =
references to the persistency of subscriptions of neighboring SIP entities =
and periodic refresh. Should not this be mentioned
 explicitly in the list in Section 4=3F














=C2=A0




I see what you mean. In fact I tend to think of this as one of those =
micro-aspects that have been covered by existing macro-clauses. =
Specifically, as Section 5.3 says:








=C2=A0




 Key to this is the fact that following initial

=C2=A0=C2=A0 subscription, the notifier sends a notification without a body=
 if no

=C2=A0=C2=A0 load filtering policy is defined (Section 6.7), and that the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 subscription needs to be refreshed periodically to make it

=C2=A0=C2=A0 persistent, as described in Section 4.1 and Section=C2=A04.2 =
of [RFC6665].




=C2=A0






The behavior of notifier sending a notification following initial =
subscription is mandated in Section 6.7 of this document. And the behavior =
of periodic refresh is specified in Section 4.1 and Section 4.2 of RFC 6665=
.=C2=A0








=C2=A0




Both this document and RFC 6665 have already been explicitly listed in =
Section 4 of this document. So they seem to have covered the persistency =
issue.








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That said, I am open to add another explicit clause for this aspect if you =
really feel strongly about it. Please let me know. Thanks again!








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Charles
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<div>That's great, I will keep it as in the current 11 version then. Again =
thank you so much for the careful review!<br><br>
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<br><span id=3D=22orc-full-body-initial-text=22 style=3D=22display: =
inline;=22>On &#21608;&#19968;, 11&#26376; 25, 2013 at 5:32 =
&#19979;&#21320;, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) &lt;<a><href =
target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>dromasca@avaya.com</href>=3D=22mailto:dromasca@avay=
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'>Hi Charles,=
</span></p>
<p></p>
<p></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'>No, this is =
not a strong comment. Actually all my comments were listed as =
&lsquo;minor&rsquo; thus non-blocking vs. a document I appreciate as of =
good quality. Thank you
 for the dialog and for considering my comments. </span></p>
<p></p>
<p></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'>Regards,=
</span></p>
<p></p>
<p></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'>Dan</span></p=
>
<p></p>
<p></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:=22Calibri=22,=22sans-serif=22;color:#1F497D'></span></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<div style=3D=22border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in 4.0pt=22>
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0in 0in 0in=22>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:=22Tahoma=22,=22sans-serif=22'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=22Tahoma=22,=22sans-serif=22'> =
charles.newyork@gmail.com [mailto:charles.newyork@gmail.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles Shen<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 25, 2013 =
11:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> Romascanu, Dan (Dan)<br><b>Cc:</b> gen-art@ietf.org;=
 draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package.all@tools.ietf.org; =
sip-overload@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Gen-ART review for =
draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-10.txt</span></p>
<p></p>
<p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22>Hi Dan,</p>
<p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22>On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Romascanu, Dan =
(Dan) &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:dromasca@avaya.com=22>dromasca@avaya.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
<p></p>
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22 style=3D=22mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto=22><br><br>
Also, in the same list of requirements I miss an explicit requirement on =
persistency.</p>
<p></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22 style=3D=22mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto=22>&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22 style=3D=22mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto=22>&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22 style=3D=22mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto=22>This part I am not sure if I understand clearly, could you=
 please elaborate a bit=3F&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22 style=3D=22mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto=22>&nbsp;</p>
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</div>
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<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22 style=3D=22mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto;line-height:14.4pt=22>
&nbsp;<b><i><span style=3D=22color:#1F497D=22>[[DR]] </span></i></b><span =
style=3D=22color:#1F497D=22>In section 5.3, second paragraph there are a =
couple of references to the persistency of subscriptions of neighboring SIP=
 entities and periodic refresh. Should not this be mentioned
 explicitly in the list in Section 4=3F</span></p>
<p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22>I see what you mean. In fact I tend to think of =
this as one of those micro-aspects that have been covered by existing =
macro-clauses. Specifically, as Section 5.3 says:</p>
<p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<pre><span style=3D=22font-size:12.0pt;color:black=22> Key to this is the =
fact that following initial<p></p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D=22font-size:12.0pt;color:black=22>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
subscription, the notifier sends a notification without a body if =
no<p></p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D=22font-size:12.0pt;color:black=22>&nbsp;&nbsp; load =
filtering policy is defined (<a href=3D=22http://tools.ietf.=
org/html/draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-11#section-6.=
7=22>Section 6.7</a>), and that the<p></p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D=22font-size:12.0pt;color:black=22>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
subscription needs to be refreshed periodically to make =
it<p></p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D=22font-size:12.0pt;color:black=22>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
persistent, as described in <a href=3D=22http://tools.ietf.=
org/html/draft-ietf-soc-load-control-event-package-11#section-4.=
1=22>Section 4.1</a> and <a href=3D=22http://tools.ietf.=
org/html/rfc6665#section-4.2=22>Section&nbsp;4.2 of [RFC6665]</a>.=
<p></p></span></pre>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22>&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22>The behavior of notifier sending a notification =
following initial subscription is mandated in Section 6.7 of this document.=
 And the behavior of periodic refresh is specified in Section 4.1 and =
Section 4.2 of RFC 6665.&nbsp;</p>
<p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22>Both this document and RFC 6665 have already =
been explicitly listed in Section 4 of this document. So they seem to have =
covered the persistency issue.</p>
<p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22>That said, I am open to add another explicit =
clause for this aspect if you really feel strongly about it. Please let me =
know. Thanks again!</p>
<p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D=22MsoNormal=22>Charles&nbsp;</p>
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