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The draft mentions a few protocols (e.g., SDP) without providing a reference to them. Please, expand acronyms and add a reference on first use throughout the document. In section 3.1, "Real-time Protocol" should be something along the following lines: "RTP (Real-time Transport Protocol) [RFC3550]". Section 3.1 talks about STIR as the "current target mechanism". I would remove "current", or rephrase it and talk about the mechanism we recommend to use instead. I guess at this point changes in STIR may still trigger modifications in this draft, right? Section 4 says: > The SIPBRANDY deployment profile of STIR > for media confidentiality thus shifts these responsibilities to the > endpoints rather than the intermediaries. I would rephrase it so that the text is more explicit. If intermediaries MUST NOT provide the verification service, the text should say so. Section 5 says: > In [I-D.johnston-dispatch-osrtp], opportunistic approaches considered > include DTLS-SRTP, security descriptions [RFC4568], and ZRTP > [RFC6189]. > > DTLS-SRTP is the only Standards Track Internet protocol for media > security. For that reason, this specification REQUIRES support for > DTLS-SRTP. But RFC 4568 is also Standards Track: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4568 Also, REQUIRES does not seem to be an RFC 2119 term. Cheers, Gonzalo On 12/12/2017 3:46 PM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > Folks, > > I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will > end on January 12th: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec/ > > Thanks, > > Gonzalo > From nobody Tue Dec 12 14:58:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85816124D37 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:58:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZYahO6sPlduF for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B61F1200F1 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3243005D9 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:58:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id PdZz1Kehc1rM for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3820330058E for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:58:46 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:58:44 -0500 References: <8d5370eb-fdf8-4ce9-7dbb-c27f19967ae2@ericsson.com> To: sipbrandy@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <8d5370eb-fdf8-4ce9-7dbb-c27f19967ae2@ericsson.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sipbrandy] WGLC: draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-03 X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:58:50 -0000 Major: In Section 4.3, I do not know what is meant by "STIR Profile for media = confidentiality". Minor: I think the discussion in the first paragraph of Section 3.1 should be = slightly expanded to be clear that we are not talking about integrity = protection of SDP k=3D records. I'd prefer a MUST NOT statement. In Section 4.1: s/SIP endpoints must acquire/SIP endpoints MUST acquire/ In Section 4.2:=20 s/should be discarded/SHOULD be discarded/ s/should be generated/SHOULD be generated/ Nits: The title page and Authors' Addresses section should reflect that = Richard Barnes has moved from Mozilla to Cisco. On the title page, please change my affiliation from "Vigilsec" to = "Vigil Security". In Authors' Addresses section, please change my affiliation from = "Vigilsec" to "Vigil Security, LLC". In Section 3.2: s/proposed by that draft/proposed by that specification/ > On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo = wrote: >=20 > Folks, >=20 > I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will > end on January 12th: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec/ >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Gonzalo