From nobody Fri Feb 1 12:50:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E5B130E8F; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:50:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.90.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sipbrandy@ietf.org Message-ID: <154905422167.28593.2496633140005687294@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 12:50:21 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Sipbrandy] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07.txt X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 20:50:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIP Best-practice Recommendations Against Network Dangers to privacY WG of the IETF. Title : Best Practices for Securing RTP Media Signaled with SIP Authors : Jon Peterson Richard Barnes Russ Housley Filename : draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2019-02-01 Abstract: Although the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) includes a suite of security services that has been expanded by numerous specifications over the years, there is no single place that explains how to use SIP to establish confidential media sessions. Additionally, existing mechanisms have some feature gaps that need to be identified and resolved in order for them to address the pervasive monitoring threat model. This specification describes best practices for negotiating confidential media with SIP, including both comprehensive protection solutions which bind the media to SIP-layer identities as well as opportunistic security solutions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Feb 1 12:54:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7A8130E8F for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:54:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GMN0FgELP-Rt for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8A20124408 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDD7300A1C for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:35:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id AT8pRl69ggmM for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-108-45-137-105.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.137.105]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31973300400 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:35:44 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:54:00 -0500 References: <154905422167.28593.2496633140005687294@ietfa.amsl.com> To: sipbrandy@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <154905422167.28593.2496633140005687294@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-Id: <1C529568-6E11-45AD-B26A-178E09764F15@vigilsec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sipbrandy] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07.txt X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 20:54:06 -0000 The changes were made to address the comments raised by Ben Campbell in = the ART AD Review. Russ > On Feb 1, 2019, at 3:50 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the SIP Best-practice Recommendations = Against Network Dangers to privacY WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Best Practices for Securing RTP Media = Signaled with SIP > Authors : Jon Peterson > Richard Barnes > Russ Housley > Filename : draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2019-02-01 >=20 > Abstract: > Although the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) includes a suite of > security services that has been expanded by numerous specifications > over the years, there is no single place that explains how to use = SIP > to establish confidential media sessions. Additionally, existing > mechanisms have some feature gaps that need to be identified and > resolved in order for them to address the pervasive monitoring = threat > model. This specification describes best practices for negotiating > confidential media with SIP, including both comprehensive protection > solutions which bind the media to SIP-layer identities as well as > opportunistic security solutions. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Feb 7 06:13:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAAB126CC7; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 06:13:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.91.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: ben@nostrum.com, sipbrandy@ietf.org, sipbrandy-chairs@ietf.org, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Message-ID: <154954879328.23379.3244584820772687211.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 06:13:13 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Sipbrandy] Last Call: (Best Practices for Securing RTP Media Signaled with SIP) to Best Current Practice X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 14:13:14 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the SIP Best-practice Recommendations Against Network Dangers to privacY WG (sipbrandy) to consider the following document: - 'Best Practices for Securing RTP Media Signaled with SIP' as Best Current Practice The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-02-21. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Although the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) includes a suite of security services that has been expanded by numerous specifications over the years, there is no single place that explains how to use SIP to establish confidential media sessions. Additionally, existing mechanisms have some feature gaps that need to be identified and resolved in order for them to address the pervasive monitoring threat model. This specification describes best practices for negotiating confidential media with SIP, including both comprehensive protection solutions which bind the media to SIP-layer identities as well as opportunistic security solutions. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Mon Feb 11 00:10:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC17613107A for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2019 00:10:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.91.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154987264296.18638.3473765619517520869.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 00:10:42 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Sipbrandy] Milestones changed for sipbrandy WG X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 08:10:50 -0000 Changed milestone "Inform MMUSIC or other appropriate WGs of any changes needed to support Opportunistic SRTP (Not expected to be published as an RFC)", resolved as "Done". Changed milestone "Submit Opportunistic SRTP draft to IESG for consideration as BCP", set due date to March 2019 from November 2017. Changed milestone "Submit End-to-End SRTP draft to the IESG for consideration as BCP", set due date to March 2019 from March 2017, resolved as "Done". URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/sipbrandy/about/ From nobody Tue Feb 12 23:37:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EC4128CB7; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 23:37:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gonzalo Camarillo To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.91.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo , sipbrandy@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, sipbrandy-chairs@ietf.org, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com Message-ID: <155004346666.8683.4485279186458492510.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 23:37:46 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Sipbrandy] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-07 X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 07:37:47 -0000 Gonzalo Camarillo has requested publication of draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-07 as Informational on behalf of the SIPBRANDY working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp/ From nobody Thu Feb 14 12:47:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435C112EB11; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:47:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UyxdPJqS4ivJ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DD5612D4F2; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-70-122-203-106.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.203.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1EKkpOP059021 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:46:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1550177214; bh=tTZ0efs8MhK9FCCMsq+G2GeVucjb9SXtS79F+WcJdkE=; h=From:Subject:Date:Cc:To; b=bLvRACVgBCjCm0YD/jB1/eG24CszBgyVs4FIH+gqIlSbQjLIzKj70iV67rf1CzpXl 6nGIqWikthqVXC8L0n4DpLTeNd908BMp8PIJMw+1apRn8wc/CK6Ff98vh3dXGoN5+e WL/ZcQtMtDqkU76krCBnefl93NhuXSb7VSWmWNbU= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-122-203-106.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.203.106] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] From: Ben Campbell Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A41065F9-82BF-4930-B755-78181BA813C0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Message-Id: <72C42C63-D5C4-403D-A895-429CB2238AC3@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:46:49 -0600 Cc: sipbrandy@ietf.org To: draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp.all@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: [Sipbrandy] AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-07 X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 20:47:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A41065F9-82BF-4930-B755-78181BA813C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, This is my AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-07. Thank you for a readable and easy to understand document.There is one = comment I would like to resolve prior to IETF LC. The others can be = resolved along with any last call feedback. *** Please resolve prior to IETF LC *** =C2=A74: The relaxation of authentication requirements for DTLS-SRTP and = SDES could use some elaboration on why this acceptable. I _think_ the = answer is that, since OSRTP doesn=E2=80=99t guaranty authentication, = there=E2=80=99s no need for such a guaranty from the signaling channel. = Is that correct? OTOH, =C2=A71 says "third mode for security between "cleartext=E2=80=9D = and "comprehensive protection" that allows encryption and authentication = to be used if supported=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D. That suggests that that = authentication is sometimes provided. Is there a distinction between the = authenticated case and unauthenticated case that should be mentioned = somewhere? (For example, is there a need to indicate the distinction to = the user?) *** Other Substantive Comments *** =C2=A72: Please use the new boilerplate from RFC 8174. =C2=A73.1: Please clarify that that the offer can contain more than one = key management attribute. This is mentioned in =C2=A73.1, but not = actually in the section on generating the offer. *** Editorial Comments *** =C2=A73: "As discussed in [RFC7435], this is the "comprehensive protection" for media mode.=E2=80=9D s/this/that =C2=A73.4: "meaning that the decision to create an OSRTP type offer or something else should not be influenced=E2=80= =9D That=E2=80=99s referring to the decision to create a _new_ offer, right? = Not the original offer? --Apple-Mail=_A41065F9-82BF-4930-B755-78181BA813C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEExW9rpd7ez4DexOFOgFZKbJXz1A0FAlxl07kACgkQgFZKbJXz 1A1xVRAAmZcMledVi2RNFeUsb7RQu5SVCGGE5J8D7JJrL3yFjPgybX4GddjwWzKB 8XOkxWjtR48P4G2izDMpPb75PZyTcCf/5n8V2iko9LTeOja2QiKyL2hIbpLIkkqO eRT4PDKSPIjDP4vt6xeCHc1Q5LlruuhXBzKoP2irIajJYX3kbFRpDXa1mdKYVuXv beQkPIRpChKQwX5WxoKO4oEOny/eIBmw7hSnOfyNE2FZuXnOWhRbYSws53pa5l/A FfFjvPTPrHU4tcABDN9cwPln2tlEiylRlJD8+c70Rp4GOBT5VI5pnE7JQ8DpaEcQ leMNTNrCvItg05hg2/JIdc18QjWaUkEERWM2ydQx4OcAJ22gFsgFTuHoNm7qdFuY JQmVZGlvY4m1ocNFAr1ghuz9FoFNRJnzYjskGLRWt5OJcR13+nvXX4GaXz+UUvcL rUSgHsJRVPvlW97MtKCX6LGDAuQVEN9piVQ7Jvl9MuTfe81k8tYQHtxFOhMsND8H /i1q6CcHBg+x1RfhPcKz/nIyoLqYiLp6FqOwpaH+k93WBcJ9EiMAaZg/Jn0e7lBy KjMsTbwGjWzbOaNXFi+9w1uZkgq90ycLd3hM6orcQASaP0AymoQLNzscSeVNfF8d KGtqYL5qmMdnenCMd/1TJpgeZzqq6vwvLbA9D38RISFcT8W9usA= =dMv/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A41065F9-82BF-4930-B755-78181BA813C0-- From nobody Thu Feb 14 23:46:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF88130E7E for ; 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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:25:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Liang Xia To: Cc: sipbrandy@ietf.org, draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.91.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155056475055.20764.380303220978816166@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:25:50 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Sipbrandy] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07 X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 08:25:51 -0000 Reviewer: Liang Xia Review result: Ready nits: 1. in Abstract: s/ media to SIP-layer identities / media layer to SIP layer identities / 2. in Section 4: User Agent Server (UAS) comments: Security Considerations: I suggest there can be more contents in this part, but it is not a blocking issue. From nobody Thu Feb 21 13:06:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133A0130E6E; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 13:06:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BLp-2w3S1-8X; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 13:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62BD81311D1; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 13:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-70-122-203-106.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.203.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1LL6oJ7054453 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Feb 2019 15:06:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1550783211; bh=3dgKG83M2lr11fPpLkD/umLUPAFIepBJ3kA660CQ9kc=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References; b=ozQHfrRMyt0RSOEdbkhB1fXWetc5yK78bszTeu5emgNvKSPEVTqjiAkYsqwjmRXkD Ea+qRS7/t+7SswcBcycArcxOP1YT9eiYCT/rWL5paYSWyI3Z68Gh0XNX7sTtFQJkz0 LB4t00LBsOqeu/M5lZPwG02PvZJS5FkUZKt9wa6U= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-122-203-106.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.203.106] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] From: Ben Campbell Message-Id: <020969B6-E6B4-4525-954B-A45F5C77B5FF@nostrum.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A7F634D6-6619-4D45-A05A-5B161D17FD43"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 15:06:49 -0600 In-Reply-To: <72C42C63-D5C4-403D-A895-429CB2238AC3@nostrum.com> Cc: sipbrandy@ietf.org To: draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp.all@ietf.org References: <72C42C63-D5C4-403D-A895-429CB2238AC3@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sipbrandy] AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-07 X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 21:06:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A7F634D6-6619-4D45-A05A-5B161D17FD43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, To be clear, progress of this draft is currently blocked on a response = to my =E2=80=9CPlease resolve=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D comment below. Please = respond as soon as possible, Thanks! Ben. > On Feb 14, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part > Hi, >=20 > This is my AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-07. >=20 > Thank you for a readable and easy to understand document.There is one = comment I would like to resolve prior to IETF LC. The others can be = resolved along with any last call feedback. >=20 > *** Please resolve prior to IETF LC *** >=20 > =C2=A74: The relaxation of authentication requirements for DTLS-SRTP = and SDES could use some elaboration on why this acceptable. I _think_ = the answer is that, since OSRTP doesn=E2=80=99t guaranty authentication, = there=E2=80=99s no need for such a guaranty from the signaling channel. = Is that correct? >=20 > OTOH, =C2=A71 says "third mode for security between "cleartext=E2=80=9D = and "comprehensive protection" that allows encryption and authentication = to be used if supported=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D. That suggests that that = authentication is sometimes provided. Is there a distinction between the = authenticated case and unauthenticated case that should be mentioned = somewhere? (For example, is there a need to indicate the distinction to = the user?) >=20 > *** Other Substantive Comments *** >=20 > =C2=A72: Please use the new boilerplate from RFC 8174. >=20 > =C2=A73.1: Please clarify that that the offer can contain more than = one key management attribute. This is mentioned in =C2=A73.1, but not = actually in the section on generating the offer. >=20 > *** Editorial Comments *** >=20 > =C2=A73: "As discussed in [RFC7435], this is > the "comprehensive protection" for media mode.=E2=80=9D > s/this/that >=20 > =C2=A73.4: "meaning that the decision to > create an OSRTP type offer or something else should not be = influenced=E2=80=9D > That=E2=80=99s referring to the decision to create a _new_ offer, = right? Not the original offer? >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_A7F634D6-6619-4D45-A05A-5B161D17FD43 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEExW9rpd7ez4DexOFOgFZKbJXz1A0FAlxvEukACgkQgFZKbJXz 1A3OfQ//S982Q2+z4Qb0CiMEwUjwY0zvrGaMv21GMSo0UtO3YOV9/iraV4VdZ+bG F9K+aaq0ftZwAaXmoa2iv2KlqGeH2W1lFA8lKgiiJ8jqJnxbDTXoSV2870aQwgDi s0SV9vW1xUY81CUejofNhiD6ZEpDDrPhUq3onlE5HB4j7dBA8XgRxkuluDa9L3fH NC8lDaSBB58p+Sp623k7eLmbF2uBBfCDaL+qEKBCeKGahrCa2sxXb4yQ75gWjdYO bB1Ty62cwaTX73DSstmxZNuW6iMkhzqRLKJz++6dNuvydZ6cohyqSpfoirXtSNQv noOcNf2d59Ha+dwwnFTQPlTPUjyxDEmW2pAIZDoSM4TPYLvRXKXr2OHeTbNR82Bf llW1PWXWvJDbZYZP0QOIzHAjnaE4wDDHL9v3ajGMIdtTsXo2PV2pQX2Zv937dWde TKlHj6k0BHwFhnPuhVkqyuczDflix7pfo0YNkSqvgtWavLucyEbZzG0k0qW6G6M6 pniZeMp02ooSoMuLDzY8gKHgjzAtBcYDX6apmcX/K1q6qKlLY/8dE/jJw1Mk3eVD fCuEcUFZgOSrUuWrx5rDj2/eWumTSHa3iSAgi7VCXpYJn84w3A65TqXtVQNrDCXU vkZUUXimx/xS+pywkY7CCpV1CShZChhzbA0hmVHP2ndZv5q94OQ= =qoO1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A7F634D6-6619-4D45-A05A-5B161D17FD43-- From nobody Tue Feb 26 02:16:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C6D130EB8; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 02:16:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dan Romascanu To: Cc: sipbrandy@ietf.org, draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, dromasca@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.92.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155117616382.12098.15230968773030912720@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 02:16:03 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Sipbrandy] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07 X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 10:16:04 -0000 Reviewer: Dan Romascanu Review result: Ready This document with an intended status BCP describes best practices for negotiating confidential media with SIP which include two approaches: comprehensive protection solutions which bind the media to SIP-layer identities, and opportunistic security solutions. The document is Ready from an OPS-DIR point of view. As the document does not define new protocols but rather refers existing specifications, a full RFC 5706 review does not apply. I have two non-blocking comments from an operational point of view: 1. The two approaches seem to differ from several aspects including the maturity of the specification. Comprehensive protection relies on a set of stable RFCs, while opportunistic solutions refer two work-in-progress IDs. It would be useful to mention this, and maybe include a comparative list of features which would help in selecting the appropriate solution from case to case 2. We are missing in the SIP realm some documentation about the impact of applying the various confidentiality approaches on manageability. For example is observability impacted? Can session statistics be retrieved and error condition signaled? Do approaches like RTCP-XR still apply? Maybe this BCP can be a good place for such an operational consideration section. From nobody Thu Feb 28 02:55:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6034712D4E8; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 02:54:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo , sipbrandy-chairs@ietf.org, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.92.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155135129635.28740.17745438119617083569.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 02:54:56 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Sipbrandy] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_d?= =?utf-8?q?raft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 10:54:56 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Given that use of ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip is recommended, it feels like this doc should be a normative reference. From nobody Thu Feb 28 09:51:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B64130F2B; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 09:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.679 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.679 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3HhyjIZkzBWx; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 09:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C268130F8E; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 09:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.29] (cpe-70-122-203-106.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.203.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1SHpJ1Y042775 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:51:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1551376283; bh=v8LR3KrxDAZCgluueRCZLuka1HzsiQz6RG+S9AuloL0=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References; b=FEGNjnzy3ei7lwJZ1DWuZsudjh3jcec2qcnDwNUTATTPldIoMfAL8u+2m/Yh7/yDr Bv1xkSycEnfDUVRWhlxQhXbywFPQSB7HnnFqSK4LNZMCCARQtJAITy4spJWnW9DHlk lrGQqTXOfqEx0dru9JUYPLD9MngDC1I84avCQNI8= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-70-122-203-106.tx.res.rr.com [70.122.203.106] claimed to be [10.0.1.29] From: Ben Campbell Message-Id: <6C532114-CC20-428D-8FF3-8ED86CBB23FD@nostrum.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_343215BC-AB51-497B-842C-5851F8E973A0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:51:18 -0600 In-Reply-To: <155135129635.28740.17745438119617083569.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec@ietf.org, sipbrandy@ietf.org, sipbrandy-chairs@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo To: =?utf-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= References: <155135129635.28740.17745438119617083569.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sipbrandy] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_d?= =?utf-8?q?raft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:51:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_343215BC-AB51-497B-842C-5851F8E973A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Feb 28, 2019, at 4:54 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind = wrote: >=20 > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Given that use of ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip is recommended, it feels = like > this doc should be a normative reference. >=20 I agree. Good catch. Thanks! Ben. --Apple-Mail=_343215BC-AB51-497B-842C-5851F8E973A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEExW9rpd7ez4DexOFOgFZKbJXz1A0FAlx4H5YACgkQgFZKbJXz 1A3bDA//Va3/OeTTlWK6k3PGx7p6YDehEmB1tAiqeUbOteuFjUPWSZviXNmyq9kF AgOBiyXIiWGG/WdM1bP6ajSsURuZzvU234xIvCVxm87bW/4vq21wuEGuuiCx6E0D pimbHtYMqvKJjt4um0sIw62LDbh3dnuEyVevmKdva4IZe4HAOdtyrsHw7Gfy1lzf HQN39FPrvtBa72Axv4btBgjHR9OqPTJDM2kkjWwqCnN2fe/E8s/SJFbe6IMnfI/H 9hB0nW2c1bNHD0BsqdcMTAJRWrsq1+YDB3PB8GC80RW+n0wkb3XXzB8Tknx/XB+3 KG+kXO1WM1gKK1E5rinaGsjI8A6ZBjZyWmTCz7FgxgPH6xDXe1MblXhFxuHFdO5R fSspR1XBO9H/acx3c6D1MrOwTSLMP/EVyokzULkG6yS4XNZK6eQgkWE9VtI0Z353 8PO0IG17kTXWBISbNsUjGwKHbdEJMUSZkc8FhCEIRNl4oIe0sxkBvFSa2+vGWH2h n9uJxacvVTJm7BHxcAicPKwjedcE0dFOctVwR0aGXPrFAGfU7MfyEmP21f+1oZ6E gw+WyEbRyV1DsJwWOr0Ngxkm8gsMudOlwqZojROiG/HILHz3wB9jtq6CpvGn7fHd dB7vk3ioGpw1Eri91wcPTcvsZBnh0ajTqDbaHWQmMnmcG2Zdumk= =flXp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_343215BC-AB51-497B-842C-5851F8E973A0-- From nobody Thu Feb 28 13:19:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipbrandy@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AB1130FCE for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 13:19:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63ECmV6JPSob for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 13:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2DE7127AC2 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 13:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EEF300ABD for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:01:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id coeyXTwyR1kh for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27B25300400; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:01:20 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5AEABD9A-239A-4B37-8D00-547F9895327B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:19:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <6C532114-CC20-428D-8FF3-8ED86CBB23FD@nostrum.com> Cc: draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec@ietf.org, sipbrandy@ietf.org, IESG , Gonzalo Camarillo To: Ben Campbell , =?utf-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= References: <155135129635.28740.17745438119617083569.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6C532114-CC20-428D-8FF3-8ED86CBB23FD@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sipbrandy] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_d?= =?utf-8?q?raft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: sipbrandy@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SIPBRANDY working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:19:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5AEABD9A-239A-4B37-8D00-547F9895327B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec-07: No Objection >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipbrandy-rtpsec/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Given that use of ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip is recommended, it = feels like >> this doc should be a normative reference. >>=20 >=20 > I agree. Good catch. Fixed in my edit buffer. Will post when the IESG Evaluation is = finished. Russ --Apple-Mail=_5AEABD9A-239A-4B37-8D00-547F9895327B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iF0EARECAB0WIQRJuTEKFXbtfFQz5huK5O7Q9ZwRywUCXHhQaAAKCRCK5O7Q9ZwR y+5vAJ4s2sihDJgc3fhXiy2WyludiL85NwCfT6JM3uRIAeV4+NLZYvzonM1Mj5A= =KFv2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5AEABD9A-239A-4B37-8D00-547F9895327B--