From nobody Mon Jun 1 13:01:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C8C1B32F6 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 13:01:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vIkzJym6usaz for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 13:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880201B31B0 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 13:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150601200124.21011.83120.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 13:01:24 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] State changed: charter-ietf-slim-00-01 X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:01:27 -0000 State changed to Informal IESG review. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-slim/ From nobody Thu Jun 18 14:47:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F311A0007 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: <8XqFy4Mj98LP> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.112 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.112 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8XqFy4Mj98LP for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabertooth01.qualcomm.com (sabertooth01.qualcomm.com [65.197.215.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13A361A1B3F for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:47:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qti.qualcomm.com; i=@qti.qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1434664059; x=1466200059; h=message-id:date:to:from:subject; bh=QuAs7PM2I1N1/u2MOTGkG0ATUcANBc2C/dku8lv3BL0=; b=hZ+nLQyZKqabQej6unztzNSzDoMIyWnf11RoXq6c/C49eGq33PMVM/ZF q6z4wpkqQybtLMNTyub5Cm2Zz7Q1mp7kUXf3hrQn8mVya4qBY2U0/kp6Z cz8WsjQkhcakAhxJOLAbuyUU9MOV+vOeE1UqEAWNgTTGn39uCVFLhDGGO c=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5700,7163,7836"; a="91154154" Received: from ironmsg03-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.17]) by sabertooth01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Jun 2015 14:47:37 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,641,1427785200"; d="scan'208";a="942956843" Received: from plus.qualcomm.com ([10.52.255.8]) by Ironmsg03-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Jun 2015 14:47:37 -0700 Received: from Ironmsg04-R.qualcomm.com (ironmsg04-R.qualcomm.com [172.30.46.18]) by plus.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id t5ILlaLn025066; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:47:36 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,641,1427785200"; d="scan'208";a="995967015" X-ojodefuego: yes Received: from unknown (HELO [99.111.97.136]) ([10.64.197.226]) by Ironmsg04-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 18 Jun 2015 14:47:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:47:33 -0700 To: Ben Campbell , Barry Leiba , slim@ietf.org From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] Updated proposed charter X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 21:47:42 -0000 Hi everyone, As revised during today's virtual bar-BoF, here is the updated proposed charter: ------------------------------------------------- SLIM: Selection of Language for Internet Media Description of Working Group: A mutually comprehensible language is helpful for human communication. This is true across a range of circumstances and environments. In general, the problem is most acute in situations where there is not a clear choice for a single language, such as environments lacking contextual or out-of-band information regarding the identity of the parties and the language to be used. The group will address two specific cases that most urgently need a technical solution: One problem space is non-real-time communication, specifically email for one-to-many or where the set of recipients is dynamic or different recipients require different languages; the other is real-time communication, specifically emergency calling, preferably also useful for other cases where the parties may not know each other personally or where one party wishes to accommodate people with varying language and media needs. In the real-time communication case, language and media are intrinsically linked, for example, signed languages require a video media. While the two use cases are in different contexts (real time and non-real-time), the fundamental goal is the same: to enable selection of the best-fit language(s) for a specific situation. Some of the details will also be in common across the cases, e.g., the language tags. Having a single WG address both cases makes it clear that these are two aspects of the same basic problem. A single WG also makes it easier to maximize similarities and avoid unnecessary fragmentation of the solutions, and facilitates broader review. The group will produce two documents, one for email, and one for real-time communications. In the email case, the group will determine a MIME based solution that enables a single email message to contain multiple language versions of the content, with provisions to help clients select a best fit version. In the real-time communication case, the group will produce a specification based on draft-gellens-slim-negotiating-human-language, enabling negotiation of a human language per media stream. The specification must be suitable for use in emergency communications as specified in RFC 6443 and RFC 6881 (which use SIP and SDP to negotiate media); it is desirable to also be suitable for use in non-emergency real-time communications that share the same call set-up and media negotiation protocols. The mechanism will permit the caller's media and language needs and preferences to be matched against what the called party is able to provide. The mechanism will permit resources (e.g., translation, relay, media) to be allocated or engaged as early as possible in the call set-up or for the call to be routed or handled specially (e.g., routed to a resource able to provide a needed language and/or media). Alternatives such as doing the negotiation in SIP have been thoroughly explored in the past and are out of scope (although the scope might be extended after the SDP mechanism has been advanced). By adding language to the existing media negotiation mechanism as used in RFC 6443 and RFC 6881, the group can meet the basic use cases with minimal added complexity and be able to enhance later for additional use cases as needed. Goals and Milestones: October 2015 -- Submit "Multiple Language Content Type" to the IESG (based on draft-tomkinson-slim-multilangcontent) February 2016 -- Submit "Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications" to the IESG (based on draft-gellens-slim-negotiating-human-language) ------------------------------------------------- -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Nice guys finish last, but we get to sleep in. --Evan Davis From nobody Thu Jun 18 14:57:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870901A8862 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:57:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mzZlfGWewpBY for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C1E1A8871 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150618215706.21029.14581.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:57:06 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] State changed: charter-ietf-slim-00-02 X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 21:57:10 -0000 State changed to Internal review. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-slim/ From nobody Thu Jun 18 14:57:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E571A8830; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x2kHQX_3SmnH; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9797D1A8862; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:57:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150618215716.21029.37482.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:57:16 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] Telechat update notice: X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 21:57:17 -0000 Placed on agenda for telechat - 2015-06-25 ID Tracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-slim/ From nobody Fri Jun 26 08:36:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC2A1A87D5; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:36:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CfCOS8q4X0hs; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414BD1A87A2; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:36:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.4.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150626153624.21157.67584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:36:24 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] Telechat update notice: X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:36:28 -0000 Telechat date has been changed to 2015-07-09 from 2015-06-25 ID Tracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-slim/ From nobody Fri Jun 26 08:36:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3451A8791 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:36:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yeLxgmopel_K for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925831A87E7 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.4.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150626153638.25717.75455.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:36:38 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] State changed: charter-ietf-slim-00-02 X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:36:40 -0000 State changed to External review. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-slim/ From nobody Fri Jun 26 15:43:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A14C1A6FE7; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R0qu6Pk8fvcO; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1441A6F0A; Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.4.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150626153412.18943.19728.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:34:12 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:43:39 -0700 Cc: slim WG Subject: [Slim] WG Review: Selection of Language for Internet Media (slim) X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:34:14 -0000 A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications and Real-Time Area. The IESG has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg at ietf.org) by 2015-07-06. Selection of Language for Internet Media (slim) ------------------------------------------------ Current Status: Proposed WG Assigned Area Director: Barry Leiba Mailing list Address: slim@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/slim Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/slim/ Charter: Description of Working Group: A mutually comprehensible language is helpful for human communication. This is true across a range of circumstances and environments. In general, the problem is most acute in situations where there is not a clear choice for a single language, such as environments lacking contextual or out-of-band information regarding the identity of the parties and the language to be used. The group will address two specific cases that most urgently need a technical solution: One problem space is non-real-time communication, specifically email for one-to-many or where the set of recipients is dynamic or different recipients require different languages; the other is real-time communication, specifically emergency calling, preferably also useful for other cases where the parties may not know each other personally or where one party wishes to accommodate people with varying language and media needs. In the real-time communication case, language and media are intrinsically linked, for example, signed languages require a video media. While the two use cases are in different contexts (real time and non-real-time), the fundamental goal is the same: to enable selection of the best-fit language(s) for a specific situation. Some of the details will also be in common across the cases, e.g., the language tags. Having a single WG address both cases makes it clear that these are two aspects of the same basic problem. A single WG also makes it easier to maximize similarities and avoid unnecessary fragmentation of the solutions, and facilitates broader review. The group will produce two documents, one for email, and one for real-time communications. In the email case, the group will determine a MIME based solution that enables a single email message to contain multiple language versions of the content, with provisions to help clients select a best fit version. In the real-time communication case, the group will produce a specification based on draft-gellens-slim-negotiating-human-language, enabling negotiation of a human language per media stream. The specification must be suitable for use in emergency communications as specified in RFC 6443 and RFC 6881 (which use SIP and SDP to negotiate media); it is desirable to also be suitable for use in non-emergency real-time communications that share the same call set-up and media negotiation protocols. The mechanism will permit the caller's media and language needs and preferences to be matched against what the called party is able to provide. The mechanism will permit resources (e.g., translation, relay, media) to be allocated or engaged as early as possible in the call set-up or for the call to be routed or handled specially (e.g., routed to a resource able to provide a needed language and/or media). Alternatives such as doing the negotiation in SIP have been thoroughly explored in the past and are out of scope (although the scope might be extended after the SDP mechanism has been advanced). By adding language to the existing media negotiation mechanism as used in RFC 6443 and RFC 6881, the group can meet the basic use cases with minimal added complexity and be able to enhance later for additional use cases as needed. Milestones: Oct 2015 - Submit "Multiple Language Content Type" to the IESG (based on draft-tomkinson-slim-multilangcontent) Feb 2016 - Submit "Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications" to the IESG (based on draft-gellens-slim-negotiating-human-language)