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<20160516083958.665a7a7059d7ee80bb4d670165c8327d.5e281af085.wbe@email0 3.godaddy.com> <7C5A334F88FD45E0A7770AFA6CB33C82@DougEwell> <57289c9f-a63a-0466-eeb7-845f1f1421ae@omnitor.se> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Gunnar_Hellstr=c3=b6m?= Message-ID: <9f44b042-2d8b-1bb8-fd20-f037650ac4e2@omnitor.se> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 00:18:45 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------05F4623D63BF9503C0D9FC59" Archived-At: Cc: slim@ietf.org, Randall Gellens Subject: Re: [Slim] Seeking rough consensus for draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 22:18:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------05F4623D63BF9503C0D9FC59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would like to have some acceptance for the needs expressed by me, 3GPP and ETSI. That is: A simple mechanism to specify preference for language within the session instead of only per media. ( clearly required by 3GPP TS 22.228 ) A simple mechanism to tell when the most desirable outcome is to be provided with two languages/modalities together rather than the general case when one selected language for the main language communication is sufficient. I have provided some solutions and simplified compromises to solve these needs in the most limited fashion that also satisfies most applications. I have seen many responses diving into discussions of media acceptance and media negotiation depending on language negotiation outcome. I think it would be good to clarify that the intention of language specification is not primarily to support offer/answer decisions on media session establishment, but rather for application support and user guidance. It is quite similar in level to the intended use of the SDP Content attribute specified in RFC 4796. I see a clear risk that implementations hoping for progress in SLIM as promising sign that a solution is on its way will lose the hope and cause fragmentation by selecting various solutions based on different existing specifications complemented by coding assumptions. Can we move on and have a new version done well in time before the coming IETF meeting? Also including the promised and proposed modifications of other kinds? /Gunnar Den 2016-05-17 kl. 18:05, skrev Brian Rosen: > Like Randall, I want to stay away from a linkage between what > languages you prefer and what media you are offering. > > I want to stay with the long standing SDP negotiation that you offer > media you want to use, and and or all of that media can be accepted. > > I want our work to build on that, not change it, so that we can > indicate, for the media accepted, what language is preferred. > > I further don’t want to link a preference of language on one media to > the preference of language on another media. I want them > independent: if audio and text are offered and answered, then language > on audio is specified, and language on text is specified, and those > don’t interact. > > I think living with those restrictions will make implementations > easier, and won’t limit use much. > > Adding more complexity at this point is, I think, not worth it. > > Brian > >> On May 17, 2016, at 2:01 AM, Gunnar Hellström >> > wrote: >> >> Randall, >> >> Can you accept that our goal is to select the most appropriate >> language(s) for the call? >> >> This includes providing guidance to the answering part so that the >> answer can be made in the most appropriate language(s). >> >> That is stated in the charter: >> >> "While the two use cases are in different contexts (real time and >> non-real-time), the fundamental goal is the same: to enable selection of >> the best-fit language(s) for a specific situation." >> >> It is not sufficient to use the indications to select which media >> shall be enabled, and then let the users sort out which language to use. >> >> The user needs guidance if it is most appropriate to start the >> conversation in voice, sign language or text or a combination of >> these modalities. If not, the call will start with confusion about >> what is the most efficient means for them to communicate. >> >> That is why the preference indication needs to have: >> >> a) a common scope over all media, and >> >> b) an indication if two modalities simultaneously are desired for >> reception. >> >> Can we agree on that and move on to find a simple way of expressing >> these needs? >> >> /Gunnar >> >> >> >> >> Den 2016-05-17 kl. 05:25, skrev Randall Gellens: >>> At 8:28 PM -0600 5/16/16, Doug Ewell wrote: >>> >>>> Except that there is still disagreement on whether the mechanism >>>> is needed for SLIM 1.0. >>> >>> And we have a call for consensus by the chairs. >>> >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------- >> Gunnar Hellström >> Omnitor >> gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se >> +46 708 204 288 >> _______________________________________________ >> SLIM mailing list >> SLIM@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/slim > -- ----------------------------------------- Gunnar Hellström Omnitor gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se +46 708 204 288 --------------05F4623D63BF9503C0D9FC59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I would like to have some acceptance for the needs expressed by me, 3GPP and ETSI.

That is:

A simple mechanism to specify preference for language within the session instead of only per media. ( clearly required by 3GPP TS 22.228 )

A simple mechanism to tell when the most desirable outcome is to be provided with two languages/modalities together rather than the general case when one selected language for the main language communication is sufficient.

I have provided some solutions and simplified compromises to solve these needs in the most limited fashion that also satisfies most applications.

I have seen many responses diving into discussions of media acceptance and media negotiation depending on language negotiation outcome. I think it would be good to clarify that the intention of language specification is not primarily to support offer/answer decisions on media session establishment, but rather for application support and user guidance.

It is quite similar in level to the intended use of the SDP Content  attribute specified in RFC 4796.

I see a clear risk that implementations hoping for progress in SLIM as promising sign that a solution is on its way will lose the hope and cause fragmentation by selecting various solutions based on different existing specifications complemented by coding assumptions.

Can we move on and have a new version done well in time before the coming IETF meeting? Also including the promised and proposed modifications of other kinds?

/Gunnar



Den 2016-05-17 kl. 18:05, skrev Brian Rosen:
Like Randall, I want to stay away from a linkage between what languages you prefer and what media you are offering.


I want to stay with the long standing SDP negotiation that you offer media you want to use, and and or all of that media can be accepted.

I want our work to build on that, not change it, so that we can indicate, for the media accepted, what language is preferred.  

I further don’t want to link a preference of language on one media to the preference of language on another media.   I want them independent: if audio and text are offered and answered, then language on audio is specified, and language on text is specified, and those don’t interact.

I think living with those restrictions will make implementations easier, and won’t limit use much. 

Adding more complexity at this point is, I think, not worth it.

Brian

On May 17, 2016, at 2:01 AM, Gunnar Hellström <gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se> wrote:

Randall,

Can you accept that our goal is to select the most appropriate language(s) for the call?

This includes providing guidance to the answering part so that the answer can be made in the most appropriate language(s).

That is stated in the charter:

"While the two use cases are in different contexts (real time and
non-real-time), the fundamental goal is the same: to enable selection of
the best-fit language(s) for a specific situation. "

It is not sufficient to use the indications to select which media shall be enabled, and then let the users sort out which language to use.

The user needs guidance if it is most appropriate to start the conversation in voice, sign language or text or a combination of these modalities. If not, the call will start with confusion about what is the most efficient means for them to communicate.

That is why the preference indication needs to have:

a) a common scope over all media, and

b) an indication if two modalities simultaneously are desired for reception.

Can we agree on that and move on to find a simple way of expressing these needs?

/Gunnar




Den 2016-05-17 kl. 05:25, skrev Randall Gellens:
At 8:28 PM -0600 5/16/16, Doug Ewell wrote:

 Except that there is still disagreement on whether the mechanism is needed for SLIM 1.0.

And we have a call for consensus by the chairs. 


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--------------05F4623D63BF9503C0D9FC59-- From nobody Fri Jun 17 20:48:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE9F12DA4B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:48:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lEp73YUz3TK1 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atl4mhob23.registeredsite.com (atl4mhob23.registeredsite.com [209.17.115.117]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF11E12B01A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.211]) by atl4mhob23.registeredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u5I3mEGw078535 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:48:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 11818 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jun 2016 03:48:14 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 73.207.234.73 X-Authenticated-UID: rturner@amalfisystems.com Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.1.25?) (rturner@amalfisystems.com@73.207.234.73) by 0 with ESMTPA; 18 Jun 2016 03:48:14 -0000 From: Randy Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:48:14 -0400 To: slim@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] use case document X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:48:17 -0000 Hi, After a cursory reading of the SLIM charter and a quick read of the = use-cases draft, the charter seems to indicate that non-realtime = communication will be the initial focus, and specifically calls out = email as the example However, the text of all the use-cases seems to = refer to SDP, which is typically not a protocol used for email or = traditional non-realtime communication. Or did I miss something on the = mailing list or document set ? (apologies, I just joined the list) Thanks, Randy From nobody Sun Jun 19 10:11:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB40412D61D for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 10:11:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.219 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.439] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bKCtgnren7dt for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 10:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0B3312D61C for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 10:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DougEwell ([71.211.155.67]) by p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 8hBl1t0051TXKLf01hBmUs; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 10:11:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Doug Ewell" To: "Randy Turner" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 11:11:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Slim] use case document X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:11:48 -0000 Randy Turner wrote: > After a cursory reading of the SLIM charter and a quick read of the > use-cases draft, the charter seems to indicate that non-realtime > communication will be the initial focus, and specifically calls out > email as the example However, the text of all the use-cases seems to > refer to SDP, which is typically not a protocol used for email or > traditional non-realtime communication. Or did I miss something on > the mailing list or document set ? (apologies, I just joined the list) This is what I see in the charter: "The group will address two specific cases that most urgently need a technical solution: One problem space is non-real-time communication, specifically email for one-to-many or where the set of recipients is dynamic or different recipients require different languages; the other is real-time communication, specifically emergency calling, preferably also useful for other cases where the parties may not know each other personally or where one party wishes to accommodate people with varying language and media needs." and: "The group will start by producing specifications for email and for real-time communications." I certainly got the impression that the charter takes real-time and non–real-time scenarios into account equally. OTOH, the use-cases document does appear to be focused on real-time scenarios. -- Doug Ewell | http://ewellic.org | Thornton, CO 🇺🇸 From nobody Sun Jun 19 11:34:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0065912D69E for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.765 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.765 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5tkHqGew66s6 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 11:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28C7912D697 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 11:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.105]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id EhY5bWeTmTD5UEhYPb07JT; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:34:41 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1466361281; bh=SouNXQWa8cRBYrYkRaZ8uaD5yHx8abatIFf0m+DaLUA=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=bZ78ivsiD8ns6hTRZ5sJoPuvg8CBcWQxptLEgJa77Hj1joT9slW2NrjhkFuGfwAlC GCeHEmTaUMVu4PbOA1aAthTkCSb3zPlQKs7ycQcxOAFdh1Y0rE1TxoEsm0PXp5ndGo 0MYRRx9dGKHdmR1M36TUZ3fIDfeeo7GmDnlvP7p/NDo1Oz4Z76VaHkiI1AEwTDFpF5 c1DwFSnLTi7WLuTrgnWqwxP4Ih60dpTkE0HTrld8UjDdsb4NZZwCiueE9nD+gEhrL/ 0xyrhXXjPLLORpelPviPfvBPk+mkBpwrq4E9UFgs3HkkK/bJK9An1srv+7Cwu53jQZ idebfOs1ynCjw== Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([73.218.51.154]) by resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 8iag1t00P3KdFy101iahEc; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:34:41 +0000 To: slim@ietf.org References: From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <1914bf48-53b6-36c5-999b-268f6fb1a983@alum.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:34:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Slim] use case document X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:34:43 -0000 On 6/19/16 1:11 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: > Randy Turner wrote: > >> After a cursory reading of the SLIM charter and a quick read of the >> use-cases draft, the charter seems to indicate that non-realtime >> communication will be the initial focus, and specifically calls out >> email as the example However, the text of all the use-cases seems to >> refer to SDP, which is typically not a protocol used for email or >> traditional non-realtime communication. Or did I miss something on >> the mailing list or document set ? (apologies, I just joined the list) > > This is what I see in the charter: > > "The group will address two specific cases that most urgently need a > technical solution: One problem space is non-real-time communication, > specifically email for one-to-many or where the set of recipients is > dynamic or different recipients require different languages; the other > is real-time communication, specifically emergency calling, preferably > also useful for other cases where the parties may not know each other > personally or where one party wishes to accommodate people with varying > language and media needs." > > and: > > "The group will start by producing specifications for email and for > real-time communications." > > I certainly got the impression that the charter takes real-time and > non–real-time scenarios into account equally. > > OTOH, the use-cases document does appear to be focused on real-time > scenarios. The history here is that the two deliverables have somewhat distinct constituencies, but share a wg. What you see is an indication of the activity of the respective constituencies. Thanks, Paul From nobody Fri Jun 24 09:10:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietf.org Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7A812DD5C; Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:01:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.24.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160624160101.10933.57025.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:01:01 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: slim@ietf.org, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm Subject: [Slim] slim - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 96 X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 16:01:02 -0000 Dear Natasha Rooney, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. slim Session 1 (1:30:00) Tuesday, Morning Session I 1000-1230 Room Name: Potsdam III size: 250 --------------------------------------------- Special Note: 10:00-11:30 Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Selection of Language for Internet Media Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Natasha Rooney Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 20 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: ecrit Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Jun 29 12:32:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF4912D563 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:32:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 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