From nobody Fri Jun 1 04:23:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D829129C6E for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 04:23:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.112 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.112 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btinternet.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D8sL-5qV3YXG for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 04:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgout0703.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (rgout0703.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AAD128C0A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 04:23:44 -0700 (PDT) X-OWM-Source-IP: 10.110.12.1 () X-OWM-Env-Sender: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-VadeSecure-score: verdict=clean score=20/300, class=clean X-SNCR-VADESECURE: CLEAN X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedthedrieeggdefhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemuceutffkvffkuffjvffgnffgvefqofdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucgotffhvedqqdeurggukfhmphhorhhtrghntggvucdlvddtmdenucfjughrpeffhfhrvffkufggtgfgkgfrsehtqhgttddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeghihhllhhirghmpgflpgfiucfqvhgvrhhinhhgthhonhcuoeifjhhgohgpuddttddtleessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqeenucffohhmrghinhepihhsohdrohhrghenucfkphepuddtrdduuddtrdduvddrudenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghlohepfigvsghmrghilhdtgedrsghtrdgvgihtrdgtphgtlhhouhgurdgtohdruhhkpdhinhgvthepuddtrdduuddtrdduvddruddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeofihjghhopgdutddttdelsegsthhinhhtvghrnhgvthdrtghomheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehslhhimhesihgvthhfrdhorhhgqeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Received: from webmail04.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk (10.110.12.1) by rgout07.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.26-1) (authenticated as wjgo_10009@btinternet.com) id 5AF327ED021056B3 for slim@ietf.org; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 12:23:43 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1527852224; bh=r7XIwiHsjUlTHSlsiCDKOyAoKrpAsnOWenyftn5dNh0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version; b=eKukiAxtoU6QV9g/s+Kj+855GTHyF8v4pSI8dICWEHOQjwh705GSqssDhAo5fJwkFVTil+aDumfl7ZbIttbSbdkUo99kF+O09EWcfDE91Sb48beDkpUxcW8UssCFOk1bbhyW7GSsQ/8sfbCWsUxklZBGrjnvBYBzixDk2DvPAIA= Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 12:23:43 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: slim@ietf.org Message-ID: <10594922.17786.1527852223803.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[86.179.64.228] Epoch[1527852223789] Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] Communication through the language barrier in relation to the Internet of Things X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 11:23:47 -0000 I published the following on the web on Thursday 3 March 2016. I am wonderi= ng if this is of any interest and relevance to this discussion forum, or ma= ybe it would be of some interest elsewhere. William Overington Friday 1 June 2018 ---- Communication through the language barrier in relation to the Internet of T= hings. =20 There is a document available on the web. =20 http://www.iso.org/iso/internet_of_things_report-jtc1.pdf =20 Section 4.1 of the document has the following as the definition for the Int= ernet of Things. =20 =E2=80=9CAn infrastructure of interconnected objects, people, systems and i= nformation resources together with intelligent services to allow them to pr= ocess information of the physical and the virtual world and react.=E2=80=9D =20 I have not got very far with thinking about how localizable sentences would= work with the Internet of Things, yet it does seem to me that with such an= infrastructure it could be helpful if a person could select, from a cascad= ing menu system on his or her computer or mobile telephone, a localizable s= entence displayed in his or her own language and then a language-independen= t code could be transmitted automatically to an "intelligent" object, and t= hat any response from the "intelligent" object to the person could be a lan= guage-independent code that could be localized automatically in the person'= s local computer or mobile telephone, then that could be a useful way in th= e Internet of Things for "intelligent" objects to work in a language-indepe= ndent manner and people to work each in their own language. =20 William Overington =20 Thursday 3 March 2016 =20 From nobody Fri Jun 1 08:55:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F189312D960 for ; 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8911 signatures=668702 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1805220000 definitions=main-1806010185 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Slim] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8373 (5374) X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:55:36 -0000 Hi Alexey, Thank you for your help. Section 5.4. (unchanged)    An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways:       m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104       a=hlang-send:gr       a=hlang-recv:gr Similarly, Spanish is referred to as "sp". 4    An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways:       m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104       a=hlang-send:el       a=hlang-recv:el An occurrence of "sp" as a language tag should be replaced with "es". The language tags to represent Greek and Spanish are "el" and "es" per BCP 47, respectively. The IANA Language Subtag Registry has the following entries: Type: language Subtag: el Description: Modern Greek (1453-) Added: 2005-10-16 Type: language Subtag: es Description: Spanish Added: 2005-10-16 https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-registry Regards, Dan On 5/31/2018 9:04 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Hi Dan, > >> On 1 Jun 2018, at 02:02, Dan Chiba wrote: >> >> Hi Randall, >> >> I actually noticed that similarly it says "sp" for Spanish but it should be "es". >> >> The editor site doesn't seem to allow editing an errata. Can we update it somehow to include Spanish? >> I could certainly file another but feel it better to update this if possible. Could you or someone on the list advise? > Just send the updated Erratum here, I will edit it. (I have permission to do that as an Area Director). > >> Regards, >> Dan >> >>> On 5/31/2018 3:53 PM, Randall Gellens wrote: >>> This looks valid to me, how embarrassing. Good catch by Dan. >>> >>> --Randall >>> >>>> On 31 May 2018, at 15:18, RFC Errata System wrote: >>>> >>>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8373, >>>> "Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications". >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------- >>>> You may review the report below and at: >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rfc-2Deditor.org_errata_eid5374&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=0VbdMrGQGf-tlfWn9X-adLq4-dkTKBPvXTJrOctZN5M&m=Jh1CWX2s1wpYKZbSAH7Jl6e3tJ8-8De8dQR5JjrQqYI&s=1WwYM3rEOeZ8RLY4cfwTxzxrciLwwnPq3M1_L6wyNg4&e= >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------- >>>> Type: Technical >>>> Reported by: Dan Chiba >>>> >>>> Section: 5.4. >>>> >>>> Original Text >>>> ------------- >>>> An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: >>>> >>>> m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 >>>> a=hlang-send:gr >>>> a=hlang-recv:gr >>>> >>>> Corrected Text >>>> -------------- >>>> An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: >>>> >>>> m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 >>>> a=hlang-send:el >>>> a=hlang-recv:el >>>> >>>> Notes >>>> ----- >>>> The language tag to represent Greek is "el" per BCP 47. >>>> >>>> The IANA language subtag registry has the following entry for Greek: >>>> >>>> Type: language >>>> Subtag: el >>>> Description: Modern Greek (1453-) >>>> Added: 2005-10-16 >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.iana.org_assignments_language-2Dsubtag-2Dregistry_language-2Dsubtag-2Dregistry&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=0VbdMrGQGf-tlfWn9X-adLq4-dkTKBPvXTJrOctZN5M&m=Jh1CWX2s1wpYKZbSAH7Jl6e3tJ8-8De8dQR5JjrQqYI&s=ZpcAGWHddj413wdsYPucWGP2xvxk6yvhV_eSt5Vv9Y8&e= >>>> >>>> Instructions: >>>> ------------- >>>> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please >>>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or >>>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party >>>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------- >>>> RFC8373 (draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language-24) >>>> -------------------------------------- >>>> Title : Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications >>>> Publication Date : May 2018 >>>> Author(s) : R. Gellens >>>> Category : PROPOSED STANDARD >>>> Source : Selection of Language for Internet Media >>>> Area : Applications and Real-Time >>>> Stream : IETF >>>> Verifying Party : IESG >>> From nobody Fri Jun 1 18:58:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92CA12EAB6 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A6T_OF6GlxHG for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A766712EA54 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Fri, 1 Jun 2018 19:00:03 -0700 From: "Randall Gellens" To: "Dan Chiba" Cc: "Alexey Melnikov" , "RFC Errata System" , rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com, ben@nostrum.com, adam@nostrum.com, Bernard_Aboba@hotmail.com, slim@ietf.org Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 18:58:09 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.11.2r5479) Message-ID: <94B424FA-6B24-4FD9-B11C-DD3F2D2B3958@randy.pensive.org> In-Reply-To: <9b771f3f-cbd8-96b6-2472-9bd0a940526c@oracle.com> References: <20180531221810.28FA4B8188C@rfc-editor.org> <213FC237-28E7-42DA-AEEF-CE5DF8279D95@randy.pensive.org> <22AD985A-249B-47AB-B171-14A41AA9B50B@fastmail.fm> <9b771f3f-cbd8-96b6-2472-9bd0a940526c@oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Slim] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8373 (5374) X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2018 01:58:16 -0000 By the way, the draft does correctly use 'es' to refer to Spanish in = several places before erroneously using 'sp'. It only refers to Greek = once (and erroneously, as you caught). --Randall On 1 Jun 2018, at 8:55, Dan Chiba wrote: > Hi Alexey, > > Thank you for your help. Section 5.4. (unchanged) > > > =C2=A0=C2=A0 An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 m=3Dtext 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a=3Dhlang-send:gr > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a=3Dhlang-recv:gr > > Similarly, Spanish is referred to as "sp". > 4 > > > =C2=A0=C2=A0 An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 m=3Dtext 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a=3Dhlang-send:el > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a=3Dhlang-recv:el > > An occurrence of "sp" as a language tag should be replaced with "es". > > > > The language tags to represent Greek and Spanish are "el" and "es" per = > BCP 47, respectively. > > The IANA Language Subtag Registry has the following entries: > > Type: language > Subtag: el > Description: Modern Greek (1453-) > Added: 2005-10-16 > > Type: language > Subtag: es > Description: Spanish > Added: 2005-10-16 > > https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subt= ag-registry > > > Regards, > Dan > > On 5/31/2018 9:04 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> Hi Dan, >> >>> On 1 Jun 2018, at 02:02, Dan Chiba wrote: >>> >>> Hi Randall, >>> >>> I actually noticed that similarly it says "sp" for Spanish but it = >>> should be "es". >>> >>> The editor site doesn't seem to allow editing an errata. Can we = >>> update it somehow to include Spanish? >>> I could certainly file another but feel it better to update this if = >>> possible. Could you or someone on the list advise? >> Just send the updated Erratum here, I will edit it. (I have = >> permission to do that as an Area Director). >> >>> Regards, >>> Dan >>> >>>> On 5/31/2018 3:53 PM, Randall Gellens wrote: >>>> This looks valid to me, how embarrassing. Good catch by Dan. >>>> >>>> --Randall >>>> >>>>> On 31 May 2018, at 15:18, RFC Errata System wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8373, >>>>> "Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications". >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------- >>>>> You may review the report below and at: >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.rfc-2Dedi= tor.org_errata_eid5374&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65= eapI_JnE&r=3D0VbdMrGQGf-tlfWn9X-adLq4-dkTKBPvXTJrOctZN5M&m=3DJh1CWX2s1wpY= KZbSAH7Jl6e3tJ8-8De8dQR5JjrQqYI&s=3D1WwYM3rEOeZ8RLY4cfwTxzxrciLwwnPq3M1_L= 6wyNg4&e=3D >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------- >>>>> Type: Technical >>>>> Reported by: Dan Chiba >>>>> >>>>> Section: 5.4. >>>>> >>>>> Original Text >>>>> ------------- >>>>> An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: >>>>> >>>>> m=3Dtext 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 >>>>> a=3Dhlang-send:gr >>>>> a=3Dhlang-recv:gr >>>>> >>>>> Corrected Text >>>>> -------------- >>>>> An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: >>>>> >>>>> m=3Dtext 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 >>>>> a=3Dhlang-send:el >>>>> a=3Dhlang-recv:el >>>>> >>>>> Notes >>>>> ----- >>>>> The language tag to represent Greek is "el" per BCP 47. >>>>> >>>>> The IANA language subtag registry has the following entry for = >>>>> Greek: >>>>> >>>>> Type: language >>>>> Subtag: el >>>>> Description: Modern Greek (1453-) >>>>> Added: 2005-10-16 >>>>> >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.iana.org= _assignments_language-2Dsubtag-2Dregistry_language-2Dsubtag-2Dregistry&d=3D= DwIFAg&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3D0VbdMrGQGf-tlf= Wn9X-adLq4-dkTKBPvXTJrOctZN5M&m=3DJh1CWX2s1wpYKZbSAH7Jl6e3tJ8-8De8dQR5Jjr= QqYI&s=3DZpcAGWHddj413wdsYPucWGP2xvxk6yvhV_eSt5Vv9Y8&e=3D >>>>> >>>>> Instructions: >>>>> ------------- >>>>> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, = >>>>> please >>>>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or >>>>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party >>>>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------- >>>>> RFC8373 (draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language-24) >>>>> -------------------------------------- >>>>> Title : Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time = >>>>> Communications >>>>> Publication Date : May 2018 >>>>> Author(s) : R. Gellens >>>>> Category : PROPOSED STANDARD >>>>> Source : Selection of Language for Internet Media >>>>> Area : Applications and Real-Time >>>>> Stream : IETF >>>>> Verifying Party : IESG >>>> --Randall From nobody Sun Jun 10 12:50:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00618130ED0 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmail.fm header.b=m5psisj+; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=IbihX85T Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rcRG_q_06cOa for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51732130DBE for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73A721AC4; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 15:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web2 ([10.202.2.212]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 10 Jun 2018 15:50:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=cazzjQSy/Hygzw4ccI0LbpDla/K+5 q97aRZm2lUhYqg=; b=m5psisj+Iw+jO7Eay0aDaHcPhTWHFxKRko1HdrFl7IPpj C52dKIZTWJ+koS3dbSrA24UTEIb8rLDkFfTWLddyXL4thO1w8pxriGvwZEG3MKZI o5K3X15AlBxcl99qprCw2SXzzJcVsfRrrBZq4HitrFhP16AwqNyxBwMO+KGtfRfT 8jPx70yVWqAduivAi8ZQ3WoI7xZ/3Jg+3LuNTjz/hoqLXAjOUqFEUbrS8UA/J59z 62csDryN18wF2peyypH61Dez+L76AXTJnbxH5enOMmpBvCE/lSya3mEj9/rOhYsD 4Wqrv7/9FtK1+vn2HcpBiBeHJbTlIJFP8dnlvhMPw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=cazzjQ Sy/Hygzw4ccI0LbpDla/K+5q97aRZm2lUhYqg=; b=IbihX85TUWUThstEEZAnlA gJxW2QGjFyWHMsY0CFU5TVoRSy/jECXCivtJRvQhaDIPlvtomxoCpNUH+3UYeaob 5gnw1fcsG9BRXXFDrqgdGU4QppwitludpMkRJ+fldiTVbwvA11sVK7sTJcIYvEqX uoJapvFd6eaWBWkP1GWqe6FR8Dlcn5NOqIf6ptLsnfZ2HPBF1sI04o5qbaBN9fII mxVcBLTMiewDAy16eER6pL2xQGKUX/Ck3rH+Av9DWSwFxqlt1DD9wKATi0Vx0bz6 z2z/PVfdtR9S5MS4zXSDAj3p4Uv6WCt0ePvtaT3M6WTadxhZXBYqwODSZtG4iUAw == X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 87C5D621DC; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 15:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1528660221.461728.1403055736.574246D8@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Alexey Melnikov To: Dan Chiba Cc: Randall Gellens , RFC Errata System , rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com, ben@nostrum.com, adam@nostrum.com, Bernard_Aboba@hotmail.com, slim@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-ca618090 In-Reply-To: <9b771f3f-cbd8-96b6-2472-9bd0a940526c@oracle.com> References: <20180531221810.28FA4B8188C@rfc-editor.org> <213FC237-28E7-42DA-AEEF-CE5DF8279D95@randy.pensive.org> <22AD985A-249B-47AB-B171-14A41AA9B50B@fastmail.fm> <9b771f3f-cbd8-96b6-2472-9bd0a940526c@oracle.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:50:21 +0100 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Slim] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8373 (5374) X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 19:50:26 -0000 I've created a separate erratum for Spanish instead. On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, at 4:55 PM, Dan Chiba wrote: > Hi Alexey, >=20 > Thank you for your help. Section 5.4. (unchanged) >=20 > > =C2=A0=C2=A0 An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 m=3Dtext 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a=3Dhlang-send:gr > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a=3Dhlang-recv:gr >=20 > Similarly, Spanish is referred to as "sp". > 4 >=20 > > =C2=A0=C2=A0 An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 m=3Dtext 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a=3Dhlang-send:el > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a=3Dhlang-recv:el >=20 > An occurrence of "sp" as a language tag should be replaced with "es". > >=20 > > The language tags to represent Greek and Spanish are "el" and "es" per=20 > BCP 47, respectively. >=20 > The IANA Language Subtag Registry has the following entries: >=20 > Type: language > Subtag: el > Description: Modern Greek (1453-) > Added: 2005-10-16 >=20 > Type: language > Subtag: es > Description: Spanish > Added: 2005-10-16 >=20 > https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag= -registry=20 >=20 > >=20 > Regards, > Dan >=20 > On 5/31/2018 9:04 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > > >> On 1 Jun 2018, at 02:02, Dan Chiba wrote: > >> > >> Hi Randall, > >> > >> I actually noticed that similarly it says "sp" for Spanish but it shou= ld be "es". > >> > >> The editor site doesn't seem to allow editing an errata. Can we update= it somehow to include Spanish? > >> I could certainly file another but feel it better to update this if po= ssible. Could you or someone on the list advise? > > Just send the updated Erratum here, I will edit it. (I have permission = to do that as an Area Director). > > > >> Regards, > >> Dan > >> > >>> On 5/31/2018 3:53 PM, Randall Gellens wrote: > >>> This looks valid to me, how embarrassing. Good catch by Dan. > >>> > >>> --Randall > >>> > >>>> On 31 May 2018, at 15:18, RFC Errata System wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8373, > >>>> "Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications". > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>> You may review the report below and at: > >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.rfc-2Dedit= or.org_errata_eid5374&d=3DDwIFAg&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eap= I_JnE&r=3D0VbdMrGQGf-tlfWn9X-adLq4-dkTKBPvXTJrOctZN5M&m=3DJh1CWX2s1wpYKZbSA= H7Jl6e3tJ8-8De8dQR5JjrQqYI&s=3D1WwYM3rEOeZ8RLY4cfwTxzxrciLwwnPq3M1_L6wyNg4&= e=3D > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>> Type: Technical > >>>> Reported by: Dan Chiba > >>>> > >>>> Section: 5.4. > >>>> > >>>> Original Text > >>>> ------------- > >>>> An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: > >>>> > >>>> m=3Dtext 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 > >>>> a=3Dhlang-send:gr > >>>> a=3Dhlang-recv:gr > >>>> > >>>> Corrected Text > >>>> -------------- > >>>> An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: > >>>> > >>>> m=3Dtext 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 > >>>> a=3Dhlang-send:el > >>>> a=3Dhlang-recv:el > >>>> > >>>> Notes > >>>> ----- > >>>> The language tag to represent Greek is "el" per BCP 47. > >>>> > >>>> The IANA language subtag registry has the following entry for Greek: > >>>> > >>>> Type: language > >>>> Subtag: el > >>>> Description: Modern Greek (1453-) > >>>> Added: 2005-10-16 > >>>> > >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.iana.org_= assignments_language-2Dsubtag-2Dregistry_language-2Dsubtag-2Dregistry&d=3DD= wIFAg&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=3D0VbdMrGQGf-tlfWn9= X-adLq4-dkTKBPvXTJrOctZN5M&m=3DJh1CWX2s1wpYKZbSAH7Jl6e3tJ8-8De8dQR5JjrQqYI&= s=3DZpcAGWHddj413wdsYPucWGP2xvxk6yvhV_eSt5Vv9Y8&e=3D > >>>> > >>>> Instructions: > >>>> ------------- > >>>> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > >>>> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > >>>> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > >>>> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>> RFC8373 (draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language-24) > >>>> -------------------------------------- > >>>> Title : Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Commun= ications > >>>> Publication Date : May 2018 > >>>> Author(s) : R. Gellens > >>>> Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > >>>> Source : Selection of Language for Internet Media > >>>> Area : Applications and Real-Time > >>>> Stream : IETF > >>>> Verifying Party : IESG > >>> >=20 From nobody Sun Jun 10 12:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D755130ED0; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VdhNB0LDdXIG; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A27DC130DBE; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 35EA0B82A02; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:52:42 -0700 (PDT) To: dan.chiba@oracle.com, rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: aamelnikov@fastmail.fm, iesg@ietf.org, slim@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20180610195242.35EA0B82A02@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] [Errata Verified] RFC8373 (5374) X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 19:52:45 -0000 The following errata report has been verified for RFC8373, "Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5374 -------------------------------------- Status: Verified Type: Technical Reported by: Dan Chiba Date Reported: 2018-05-31 Verified by: Alexey Melnikov (IESG) Section: 5.4. Original Text ------------- An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 a=hlang-send:gr a=hlang-recv:gr Corrected Text -------------- An offer or answer indicating written Greek both ways: m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 a=hlang-send:el a=hlang-recv:el Notes ----- The language tag to represent Greek is "el" per BCP 47. The IANA language subtag registry has the following entry for Greek: Type: language Subtag: el Description: Modern Greek (1453-) Added: 2005-10-16 https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-registry -------------------------------------- RFC8373 (draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language-24) -------------------------------------- Title : Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications Publication Date : May 2018 Author(s) : R. Gellens Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Selection of Language for Internet Media Area : Applications and Real-Time Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Sun Jun 10 13:07:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: slim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30D0130DBE; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Q69hWbdflJ3; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E801127598; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id DAA17B82AEB; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:06:58 -0700 (PDT) To: dan.chiba@oracle.com, rg+ietf@coretechnologyconsulting.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: aamelnikov@fastmail.fm, iesg@ietf.org, slim@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20180610200658.DAA17B82AEB@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Slim] [Errata Verified] RFC8373 (5387) X-BeenThere: slim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Selection of Language for Internet Media List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:07:01 -0000 The following errata report has been verified for RFC8373, "Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5387 -------------------------------------- Status: Verified Type: Technical Reported by: Dan Chiba Date Reported: 2018-05-31 Verified by: Alexey Melnikov (IESG) Section: 5.4. Original Text ------------- m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 a=hlang-send:sp pt m=audio 49250 RTP/AVP 20 a=hlang-recv:sp pt An answer for the above offer, indicating text in which the callee will receive written Spanish and audio in which the callee will send spoken Spanish. (The answering party has no video capability): m=video 0 RTP/AVP 31 32 m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 a=hlang-recv:sp m=audio 49250 RTP/AVP 20 a=hlang-send:sp and later on the same page: An answer for the above offer, indicating text in which the callee will receive written Spanish, audio in which the callee will send spoken Spanish, and supplemental video: m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 a=hlang-recv:sp m=audio 49250 RTP/AVP 20 a=hlang-send:sp m=video 51372 RTP/AVP 31 32 Corrected Text -------------- m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 a=hlang-send:es pt m=audio 49250 RTP/AVP 20 a=hlang-recv:es pt An answer for the above offer, indicating text in which the callee will receive written Spanish and audio in which the callee will send spoken Spanish. (The answering party has no video capability): m=video 0 RTP/AVP 31 32 m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 a=hlang-recv:es m=audio 49250 RTP/AVP 20 a=hlang-send:es and later on the same page: An answer for the above offer, indicating text in which the callee will receive written Spanish, audio in which the callee will send spoken Spanish, and supplemental video: m=text 45020 RTP/AVP 103 104 a=hlang-recv:es m=audio 49250 RTP/AVP 20 a=hlang-send:es m=video 51372 RTP/AVP 31 32 Notes ----- The language tag to represent Spanish is "es" per BCP 47. The IANA language subtag registry has the following entry for Spanish: Type: language Subtag: es Description: Spanish Description: Castilian Added: 2005-10-16 https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-registry -------------------------------------- RFC8373 (draft-ietf-slim-negotiating-human-language-24) -------------------------------------- Title : Negotiating Human Language in Real-Time Communications Publication Date : May 2018 Author(s) : R. Gellens Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Selection of Language for Internet Media Area : Applications and Real-Time Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG