From Chris.Dearlove@baesystems.com Mon Jul 4 03:01:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB7E21F8624 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 03:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 826fBeo3VG3t for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 03:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ukmta3.baesystems.com (ukmta3.baesystems.com [20.133.40.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C6921F857B for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 03:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,471,1304290800"; d="scan'208";a="143765217" Received: from unknown (HELO baemasodc004.greenlnk.net) ([10.108.36.11]) by Baemasodc001ir.sharelnk.net with ESMTP; 04 Jul 2011 11:01:40 +0100 Received: from glkms1102.GREENLNK.NET (glkms1102.greenlnk.net [10.108.36.193]) by baemasodc004.greenlnk.net (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p64A1dMQ026660; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:01:39 +0100 Received: from GLKMS2100.GREENLNK.NET ([10.15.184.93]) by glkms1102.GREENLNK.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:01:39 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:01:38 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [smartpower-interest] Looking for references/pointers to security research on wireless ad-hoc networks Thread-Index: AcwDZFF5lgmZ72uSQ8ekBt+cYYwlIQ2ykoFw References: From: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" To: "Akyol, Bora A" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2011 10:01:39.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E34D130:01CC3A31] Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Looking for references/pointers to security research on wireless ad-hoc networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 10:01:42 -0000 Several people active (including at the WG document author level) in the MANET WG, myself included, have done work in this area, that relates to MANET WG protools (in my case for OLSR/OLSRv2, including NHDP - RFC 6130). This work is unlikely to all be in the public domain. The extent to which this work has so far entered the WG (it may well go further in due course) is that the WG has adopted (though definitely not finalised) an ID how to add signatures to the generalised packet/message format that the WG has adopted (RFC 5444). -- Christopher Dearlove Technology Leader, Communications Group Communications and Networks Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194 Fax: +44 1245 242124 BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 -----Original Message----- From: smartpower-interest-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartpower-interest-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Akyol, Bora A Sent: 25 April 2011 17:18 To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org Subject: [smartpower-interest] Looking for references/pointers to security research on wireless ad-hoc networks *** WARNING *** This message has originated outside your organisation, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. Hi everyone. After doing the mandatory literature searches on IEEE, ACM and Google Scholar, I am looking to see if I have missed any ongoing work at IETF regarding authorization and authentication of devices or software in wireless ad-hoc networks where a centralized entity may not exist. Note that I am not looking for work on routing in MANET or encryption technologies. This is related to ongoing smart grid work that I am doing. Thank you very much for your help, -- Bora Akyol, Pacific Northwest National Laboratory +1 509 371 6682, bora@pnnl.gov, www.pnnl.gov _______________________________________________ smartpower-interest mailing list smartpower-interest@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartpower-interest ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. 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You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** From suhasagg@gmail.com Sun Jul 10 08:48:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C6B21F8656 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_91=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d9y1cR5CsiNf for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B29021F864E for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qwc23 with SMTP id 23so2380280qwc.31 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iTBAsK7GV4bLW+cBuflaW2WnQxRBYDaVhUCEzKOrDM0=; b=Xcj0HOgDc15Z95sBbzzgSvyltMffMJvCPSY52HjdMFEqfd0lE79WM3Bnd5CGdOyQqj OedFu8MU3UXFBJnPG/8J/ZLKJ5gCTFBoREBDyohqmMJjGwfIJ50EOSpGa2L32LF64vbT V9yUaixFs0hrUaN4hHdSNKCy6yh5v12+27Lpg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.62.150 with SMTP id x22mr2945107qch.136.1310312930595; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.98.140 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:18:50 +0530 Message-ID: From: suhas aggarwal To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68ce988c5d52304a7b90079 Subject: [smartpower-interest] Group Dynamics in substation Publisher/Subscriber groups X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:51:35 -0000 --0016e68ce988c5d52304a7b90079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Respected sir, I want to discuss a research proposal.I have searched a lot on the web and tried a lot to get some feedback on my proposal related to smart grids but very few people have worked in related domain highlighted in my proposal and I have not been able to get significant comments on the same.Sir,I understand that I am asking for your precious time but if you could please kindly just have a look at the proposal and let me know whether I am in a right direction,I will be really thankful and obliged. One key question I am not being able to figure out is that according to Jianqing Zhang's Thesis at UIUC ,publisher subscriber groups in a substation are stable - http://seclab.web.cs.illinois.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Zhang10.pdf but I am thinking that is their a possibility of group dynamics behaviour to be present that is - groups coalesce ,split ,subgroup being generated ?If yes,this can have significant impact on group rekeying operation.Can we use key graphs in addition in substation groups? My proposal is available at - https://sites.google.com/site/suhasprojectprofilesite/homepage/research-proposal Also,sir is their a possibility of doing a internship in this area? Thanking you, Sincerely, Suhas Aggarwal --0016e68ce988c5d52304a7b90079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Respected sir,

I want to discuss a research proposal.I have searched a lot on the web and= tried a lot to get some feedback on my proposal related to smart grids but= very few people have worked in related domain highlighted in my proposal a= nd I have not been able to get significant comments on the same.Sir,I under= stand that I am asking for your precious time but if you could please kindl= y just have a look at the proposal and let me know whether I am in a right = direction,I will be really thankful and obliged.
One key question I am not being able to figure out is that according t= o Jianqing Zhang's Thesis at UIUC ,publisher subscriber groups
in a substation are stable -
but I am thinking that is their a possibility of group dynamics behavi= our to be present that is - groups coalesce ,split ,subgroup being generate= d ?If yes,this can have significant impact on group rekeying operation.Can = we use key graphs in addition in substation groups?

My proposal is available at -

Also,sir is their a possibility of doing a internship i= n this area?

Thanking you,
Sincerely,
Suhas Aggarwal

--0016e68ce988c5d52304a7b90079-- From suhasagg@gmail.com Sun Jul 10 08:49:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFF821F866A for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:49:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.409 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.409 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.207, BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_91=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RPYCrMTxqsvi for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD9921F8656 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so2238593qyk.10 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:49:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EADTalllx5H+INAbcFO9rLw35qspmfG40rrxWHxMA7Q=; b=PUj07GAEAAoJyFumbq6kptpg2VsO08YZIR8DOwsO40n7AY/tggSpQYf8dPNfEjKYe6 uXvU/6rxnGYiF4Jw9nPbvG5jQux3onSV95W/UwtHYfVW74IeqS5mwR3PLqLFvBRgZ9Jz eK5GTpCnwPhgqPgZtmImvQ8y5N25mEL8xuJwY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.72 with SMTP id s8mr2968372qco.98.1310312962631; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.98.140 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 08:49:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:19:22 +0530 Message-ID: From: suhas aggarwal To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00235429ceecaea91a04a7b90249 Subject: [smartpower-interest] Group Dynamics in substation Publisher/Subscriber groups X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:51:58 -0000 --00235429ceecaea91a04a7b90249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here is the link to my resume in intern position context - https://sites.google.com/site/suhasprojectprofilesite/resume Suhas On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:02 PM, suhas aggarwal wrote: > Respected sir, > > I want to discuss a research proposal.I have searched a lot on the web and > tried a lot to get some feedback on my proposal related to smart grids but > very few people have worked in related domain highlighted in my proposal and > I have not been able to get significant comments on the same.Sir,I > understand that I am asking for your precious time but if you could please > kindly just have a look at the proposal and let me know whether I am in a > right direction,I will be really thankful and obliged. > One key question I am not being able to figure out is that according to > Jianqing Zhang's Thesis at UIUC ,publisher subscriber groups > in a substation are stable - > http://seclab.web.cs.illinois.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Zhang10.pdf > but I am thinking that is their a possibility of group dynamics behaviour > to be present that is - groups coalesce ,split ,subgroup being generated ?If > yes,this can have significant impact on group rekeying operation.Can we use > key graphs in addition in substation groups? > > My proposal is available at - > > https://sites.google.com/site/suhasprojectprofilesite/homepage/research-proposal > > Also,sir is their a possibility of doing a internship in this area? > > Thanking you, > Sincerely, > Suhas Aggarwal > --00235429ceecaea91a04a7b90249 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is the link to my resume in intern posi= tion context -

Suhas


On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:02 PM, suhas aggarwal <= ;suhasagg@gmail.com= > wrote:
Respected sir,

I want to discuss a research p= roposal.I have searched a lot on the web and tried a lot to get some feedba= ck on my proposal related to smart grids but very few people have worked in= related domain highlighted in my proposal and I have not been able to get = significant comments on the same.Sir,I understand that I am asking for your= precious time but if you could please kindly just have a look at the propo= sal and let me know whether I am in a right direction,I will be really than= kful and obliged.
One key question I am not being able to figure out is that according t= o Jianqing Zhang's Thesis at UIUC ,publisher subscriber groups
in a substation are stable -
but I am thinking that is their a possibility of group dynamics behavi= our to be present that is - groups coalesce ,split ,subgroup being generate= d ?If yes,this can have significant impact on group rekeying operation.Can = we use key graphs in addition in substation groups?

My proposal is available at -

Also,sir is their a possibility of doing a internship i= n this area?

Thanking you,
Sincerely,
Suhas Aggarwal


--00235429ceecaea91a04a7b90249-- From suhasagg@gmail.com Tue Jul 12 03:05:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C7221F9118 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:05:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YNmrDTG+Tlp5 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D71C21F9115 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so2132872qyk.10 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:05:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zcq4IV7mUaTC1sbU0xLuZIz4cz1VhesAOT3/YD73MdM=; b=IeiSZ6K6jqeLxxSxJMLNUkErwpiqIUU/ugt1XnB/A80sGGCs831NynN7VWKAodJ0fP 7AlgtJ66Cx5YCxKQkojBE1a5eEjSrVT9ZebuEcvpRu6bM27oEWGcB0eom/6URuYN8y6c qRdNGf0rzI9IhftMRLXY8Iyq9869fQ/STTdFI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.62.150 with SMTP id x22mr4433326qch.136.1310465104024; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.98.140 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 03:05:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:35:03 +0530 Message-ID: From: suhas aggarwal To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68ce98804158c04a7dc6fc6 Subject: [smartpower-interest] IEC 61850 prototype design X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:05:05 -0000 --0016e68ce98804158c04a7dc6fc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Respected sir, Some key questions - 1)IEC 61850 Domain - How to maintain efficiency of IEC 61850 server? How to make sure it has minimum downtime ? This lead to some questions such as how to minimize insertion and retrieval times of records in IEC 61850 Database? how to take efficient back up of data stored in IEC 61850 server? How to recover IEC 61850 server quickly in case of crash? How to effectively manage memory occupied by database in IEC 61850 server? 2)Substation Network Architecture Domain - a)How to tackle latency challenges at kernel level?How to generate GOOSE and SMV packets quickly and efficiently? How and which headers to avoid during packet construction? b)How to efficiently manage keys? How to minimize key generation and key transmission messages? How to implement efficient rekeying? How to implement source of efficient key back up which can be queried within substation network transparently? Two papers are available which were published at ISGT 2011 Anaheim,CA. https://sites.google.com/site/suhasprojectprofilesite/webpage/publications/isgt-papers-1 Sincerely, Suhas Aggarwal --0016e68ce98804158c04a7dc6fc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Respected sir,
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Some key questions -

1)IEC 61850 Do= main -=A0

How to maintain efficiency of IEC 61850 server? Ho= w to make sure it has minimum downtime ?
This lead to some questi= ons such as how to minimize insertion and retrieval times of records in IEC= 61850 Database? how to take efficient back up of data stored in IEC 61850 = server? How to recover IEC 61850 server quickly in case of crash? How to ef= fectively manage memory occupied by database in IEC 61850 server?


2)Subst= ation Network Architecture Domain -

a)How to tackle latency challenges at kernel = level?How to generate GOOSE and SMV packets quickly and efficiently? How an= d which headers to avoid during packet construction?

b)How to ef= ficiently manage keys? How to minimize key generation and key transmission = messages? How to implement efficient rekeying? How to implement source of e= fficient key back up which can be queried within substation network transpa= rently?

Two papers are available which were published at ISGT 2011 Ana= heim,CA.

Sincerely,
Suhas Aggarwal

--0016e68ce98804158c04a7dc6fc6-- From suhasagg@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 20:48:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D9C11E8127 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.581 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.581 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_91=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mnwwckFS17nk for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5725811E810E for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qwc23 with SMTP id 23so4487429qwc.31 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:48:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+TVzYNLZCo8G420mTd+yreWSyAhm5CwUXA5HqpST604=; b=ocnrXnS8mlkUTFPa3rpRVMRDd0He2u6QE8Lsx4ukm47+sNg7zp7gR7jdDAUnyvzEWI wS6gtKY5rUwwQaSdtI9gFs8pKhoZ8UcrI4kdPVJPtHIKWAUuM+Aq+d7m/P9bOLwL1UkD +UmfJc0hYmQhYYIfjRbieWBZrvssENv9zyeXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.62.150 with SMTP id x22mr1557313qch.136.1310615332763; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.98.140 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:48:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:18:52 +0530 Message-ID: From: suhas aggarwal To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68ce98858b78d04a7ff691f Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Group Dynamics in substation Publisher/Subscriber groups X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 03:48:57 -0000 --0016e68ce98858b78d04a7ff691f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Respected sir, Is their a possibility of intern? Suhas On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:18 PM, suhas aggarwal wrote: > > Respected sir, > > I want to discuss a research proposal.I have searched a lot on the web and > tried a lot to get some feedback on my proposal related to smart grids but > very few people have worked in related domain highlighted in my proposal and > I have not been able to get significant comments on the same.Sir,I > understand that I am asking for your precious time but if you could please > kindly just have a look at the proposal and let me know whether I am in a > right direction,I will be really thankful and obliged. > One key question I am not being able to figure out is that according to > Jianqing Zhang's Thesis at UIUC ,publisher subscriber groups > in a substation are stable - > http://seclab.web.cs.illinois.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Zhang10.pdf > but I am thinking that is their a possibility of group dynamics behaviour > to be present that is - groups coalesce ,split ,subgroup being generated ?If > yes,this can have significant impact on group rekeying operation.Can we use > key graphs in addition in substation groups? > > My proposal is available at - > > https://sites.google.com/site/suhasprojectprofilesite/homepage/research-proposal > > Also,sir is their a possibility of doing a internship in this area? > > Thanking you, > Sincerely, > Suhas Aggarwal > > --0016e68ce98858b78d04a7ff691f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Respected sir,

Is their a possibility of intern?

Suhas

On Sun, Jul 10, 2= 011 at 9:18 PM, suhas aggarwal <suhasagg@gmail.com> wrote:

Respected sir,

I want to discuss a research proposal.I have searched a lot = on the web and tried a lot to get some feedback on my proposal related to s= mart grids but very few people have worked in related domain highlighted in= my proposal and I have not been able to get significant comments on the sa= me.Sir,I understand that I am asking for your precious time but if you coul= d please kindly just have a look at the proposal and let me know whether I = am in a right direction,I will be really thankful and obliged.
One key question I am not being able to figure out is that according t= o Jianqing Zhang's Thesis at UIUC ,publisher subscriber groups
in a substation are stable -
but I am thinking that is their a possibility of group dynamics behavi= our to be present that is - groups coalesce ,split ,subgroup being generate= d ?If yes,this can have significant impact on group rekeying operation.Can = we use key graphs in addition in substation groups?

My proposal is available at -

Also,sir is their a possibility of doing a internship i= n this area?

Thanking you,
Sincerely,
Suhas Aggarwal


--0016e68ce98858b78d04a7ff691f-- From suhasagg@gmail.com Thu Jul 14 09:57:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF5911E808C for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.317 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.317 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_51=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TfQGhUIAZaQL for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C2811E807C for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qwc23 with SMTP id 23so300836qwc.31 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:57:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4n1XHqmR/GHoCR3GKnPCccmOkOc5Jad3epOnW+qYiBc=; b=CSuCC41uoXlXK3Zxj+tj3rfeyGm6QeG8UgTraz1q7Dsxrh/BhVXZgB4tXIESYvI8oy QjGJtd6unqo1xORiVWPu4H/2d0vRJcfds8Hzzpc1YRGc9BKvw7y8XBKg4xizt5rNYT73 XcC8zW06KMuIzA/FgBNx+IbfkXDdswJjbg9xA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.72 with SMTP id s8mr1887130qco.98.1310662664613; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.98.140 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:57:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:27:44 +0530 Message-ID: From: suhas aggarwal To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00235429ceec8b6fc404a80a6e31 Subject: [smartpower-interest] XMPP messaging - smart grid X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:57:46 -0000 --00235429ceec8b6fc404a80a6e31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Respected sir, I did a deep study of XMPP messaging protocol in my last assignment.In my study,I implemented an XMPP client server incorporating event node terminology.Basic Architecture is Sensor Readings taken by Sensor are converted into XML format by a Sensor Over XMPP (SOX)Library by an adapter.Adapter publishes these values(Items) to event nodes present in XMPP server.Event nodes are virtual locations inside XMPP servers where items are collected.Different XMPP clients can subscribe to different event nodes and retrieve individual items. Some key questions I have is - Can we use this architecture in a substation? Can this architecture meet real time requirements considering extra latencies induced by data formatting? Various IEDs can act as publisher and subscriber which publish values to XMPP servers.This will also include incorporation of adapter servers which collect data from merge unit,relay IEDs, convert sensor data to XML format.My question is - Is this conversion dataformatting really needed for IEDs communicating within local area network?Is it needed for Local HMI?Is it needed to send data to control center? Moreover,adapter can have added advantage of intelligently combining sensor values from different IEDs ,so that monitoring applications which are interested in seeing and analysing data from multiple IEDs can retrieve/obtain this data in a single document.Adapter can publish this item in corresponding event node from which different applications interested can retrieve from. I am providing link to a related paper which discusses Sensor Andrew Architecture used for critical infrastructure monitoring. http://www.ices.cmu.edu/censcir/resources/SensorAndrew-Tech-Report.pdf Sincerely, Suhas Aggarwal --00235429ceec8b6fc404a80a6e31 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I did a deep study of XMPP messaging protocol in my last ass= ignment.In my study,I implemented an XMPP client server incorporating event= node terminology.Basic Architecture is Sensor Readings taken by Sensor are= converted into XML format by a Sensor Over XMPP (SOX)Library by an adapter= .Adapter publishes these values(Items) to event nodes present in XMPP serve= r.Event nodes are virtual locations inside XMPP servers where items are col= lected.Different XMPP clients can subscribe to different event nodes and re= trieve individual items.
Some key questions I have is - Can we use this architecture in a subst= ation? Can this architecture meet real time requirements considering extra = latencies induced by data formatting? Various IEDs can act as publisher and= subscriber which publish values to XMPP servers.This will also include inc= orporation of adapter servers which collect data from merge unit,relay IEDs= , convert sensor data to XML format.My question is - Is this conversion dat= aformatting really needed for IEDs communicating within local area network?= Is it needed for Local HMI?Is it needed to send data to control center?
Moreover,adapter can have added advantage of intelligently combining s= ensor values from different IEDs ,so that monitoring applications which are= interested in seeing and analysing data from multiple IEDs can retrieve/ob= tain this data in a single document.Adapter can publish this item in corres= ponding event node from which different applications interested can retriev= e from.
I am providing link to a related paper which discusses Sensor Andrew A= rchitecture used for critical infrastructure monitoring.

Sincerely,
Suhas Aggarwal =A0

--00235429ceec8b6fc404a80a6e31-- From stpeter@stpeter.im Fri Jul 15 09:58:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7085621F8B8D for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:58:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_51=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dMyLD6ervwGq for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCC921F8B7A for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-64-101-72-201.cisco.com (unknown [64.101.72.201]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4B9740327; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4E207190.7020109@stpeter.im> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:57:52 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: suhas aggarwal References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2 OpenPGP: url=https://stpeter.im/stpeter.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: smartpower-interest@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] XMPP messaging - smart grid X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:58:02 -0000 I've forwarded your message to the standards@xmpp.org list because there's been discussion of related topics (e.g., sensors) there. On 7/14/11 10:57 AM, suhas aggarwal wrote: > > Respected sir, > > I did a deep study of XMPP messaging protocol in my last assignment.In > my study,I implemented an XMPP client server incorporating event node > terminology.Basic Architecture is Sensor Readings taken by Sensor are > converted into XML format by a Sensor Over XMPP (SOX)Library by an > adapter.Adapter publishes these values(Items) to event nodes present in > XMPP server.Event nodes are virtual locations inside XMPP servers where > items are collected.Different XMPP clients can subscribe to different > event nodes and retrieve individual items. > Some key questions I have is - Can we use this architecture in a > substation? Can this architecture meet real time requirements > considering extra latencies induced by data formatting? Various IEDs can > act as publisher and subscriber which publish values to XMPP > servers.This will also include incorporation of adapter servers which > collect data from merge unit,relay IEDs, convert sensor data to XML > format.My question is - Is this conversion dataformatting really needed > for IEDs communicating within local area network?Is it needed for Local > HMI?Is it needed to send data to control center? > Moreover,adapter can have added advantage of intelligently combining > sensor values from different IEDs ,so that monitoring applications which > are interested in seeing and analysing data from multiple IEDs can > retrieve/obtain this data in a single document.Adapter can publish this > item in corresponding event node from which different applications > interested can retrieve from. > I am providing link to a related paper which discusses Sensor Andrew > Architecture used for critical infrastructure monitoring. > http://www.ices.cmu.edu/censcir/resources/SensorAndrew-Tech-Report.pdf > > Sincerely, > Suhas Aggarwal > From cagrigungor@gmail.com Thu Jul 21 11:10:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8531B21F875E for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:10:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.134 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.134 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.465, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5aJ4r8ghT70M for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A7121F876F for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so1276724iye.31 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:10:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ThvD4OcV9vIsYbqQQ7Ck8UDNhylLXDijThKNtu3Z20I=; b=jxhmIMbb+uvhRaUR49fhBKbs1AzsRV2Zpyx1cZq1g8oLsFUqYK2EQE0w7edQJMbRMk MV3AEie5HvpWdxpD1mwyjpiIq3trxlARXuEfkPQtCfm9QE0gTzOdqaSeG04CyP84lsdS vUqlW1agqP9JFucvemXsOUMKJ1GROAA8w85Oc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.80.201 with SMTP id u9mr490020ibk.12.1311271803441; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.30.140 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:10:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:10:03 +0300 Message-ID: From: Cagri Gungor To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:29:49 -0700 Subject: [smartpower-interest] CFP: ICST GreenNets 2011 - Smart Grid Comm. and Networking Workshop, France (Deadline August 5) X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:12:20 -0000 [We apologize in advance if you receive multiple copies of this CFP.] CALL FOR PAPERS International Workshop on Smart Grid Communications and Networking in conjunction with ICST International Conference on Green Communications and Networking, October 5-7, 2011, Colmar, France http://greenets.org/CFP_SmartGridCommunicationsNetworking_Workshop.shtml http://www.greenets.org Submission deadline: August 5th, 2011 --------------------------------------------------------- Today's electric power systems suffer from the lack of pervasive and effective communications, monitoring, and automation. To overcome these problems, recently the next generation electric power system, i.e., smart grid, has been proposed. The main idea of smart grid is to add monitoring, control, and communication capabilities to the traditional electricity power grid to improve efficiency, reliability, and safety while reducing the energy consumption. Thus, the operational and commercial demands of electric power grid require a high-performance communication network that supports both existing functionalities and future operational requirements of the smart grid. This workshop focuses on smart grid communications and networking technologies and its objective is to get researchers from universities, industry, and government laboratories together in order to exchange new and interesting ideas, discuss enabling technologies, and share field tests and pilot projects related to smart grid technologies. Subjects of interests include, but are not limited to: Topics of Interests: ----------------------- - Smart Grids for Green Networking and Green Computing - System Architectures and Applications for Smart Grid - Machine-to-Machine (M2M) Technologies for Smart Grid - Wireless Sensor Networks for Smart Grid - Cognitive Communications for Smart Grid - Power Line Communications for Smart Grid - Smart Metering and Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) Technologies - ZigBee, 6LowPAN, HomePlug, and Home-Area Networks (HAN) - Security Problems and Solutions for Smart Grid - Integration of Renewable Energy Resources and Storage Systems - Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) for Distributed Generati= on - Real-Time and Dynamic Pricing for Electricity Markets - Integration of Electric Vehicles and PHEVs with the Power Grid - Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) Technologies - Data Centers for Smart Grid - Quality-of-Service Issues in Smart Grid - Load Management and Demand Response Applications - Wide-Area Monitoring, Control and Protection - Standards and Regulations in Smart Grid - Field Tests and Pilot Projects for Smart Grid Communications Submission Guidelines: ----------------------------- Authors are invited to submit full papers of up to 7 pages for full papers in ACM Proceedings format (7"x9" print area, single spaced, double column, 9-pt font size). Please see http://www.greenets.org/submission.shtm for details. Important dates: ----------------------- Paper Submission Deadline: August 5th, 2011 Notification of Acceptance: August 31st, 2011 Camera Ready Paper and Registration Due: September 15th, 2011 Organizers: ----------------- Dr. Cagri Gungor (Bahcesehir University, E-mail: cagri.gungor@bahcesehir.ed= u.tr) Dr. Hung Yu Wei (National Taiwan University, Email: hywei@cc.ee.ntu.edu.tw = ) ------------------------------ --- Asst. Prof. =C3=87a=C4=9Fr=C4=B1 G=C3=BCng=C3=B6r Graduate Programs (Ph.D. and M.S.) Coordinator Bahcesehir University Department of Computer Engineering Be=C5=9Fikta=C5=9F, =C4=B0stanbul, Turkey Office Tel: +90-212-381-0896 E-mail: cagri.gungor@bahcesehir.edu.tr Home page: http://akademik.bahcesehir.edu.tr/~cgungor/ From prvs=1809cc79c=bora@pnnl.gov Mon Jul 25 11:11:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C4B21F8BD8 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b0YyrgFv2RsK for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emailgw04.pnl.gov (emailgw04.pnl.gov [192.101.109.35]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D157721F8BD4 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emailhub02.pnl.gov ([130.20.251.62]) by emailgw04.pnl.gov with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 25 Jul 2011 11:11:22 -0700 Received: from Email05.pnl.gov ([130.20.251.69]) by emailhub02.pnl.gov ([130.20.251.62]) with mapi; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:10:27 -0700 From: "Akyol, Bora A" To: "smartpower-interest@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:11:18 -0700 Thread-Topic: SC11, 1st International Workshop on High Performance Computing, Networking and Analytics for the Power Grid Thread-Index: AcxK9kIEeLwXCv4eQm6HBCzUh0QMGg== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [smartpower-interest] CFP: SC11, 1st International Workshop on High Performance Computing, Networking and Analytics for the Power Grid X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:11:40 -0000 SC11 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20 =20 1st International Workshop on High Performance Computing, Networking and Analytics for the Power GridSeattle, WA, USA, November 13, 2011 Workshop Sensor deployments on the grid are expected to increase geometrically in the immediate future, while the demand for clean energy generation is driving the use of non-dispatchable power sources, such as solar and wind. New demands are being placed on the power infrastructure due to the introduction of plug-in vehicles. These trends reinforce the need for higher fidelity simulation of power grids, and higher frequency measurement of their state. Traditional grid simulation and monitoring tools cannot handle the increased amounts of sensor data or computation imposed by these trends. The use of high performance computing and networking technologies is of paramount importance for the future power grid, particularly for its stable operation in the presence of intermittent generation and increased demands placed on its infrastructure. The workshop intends to promote the use of high performance computing and networking for power grid applications. Technological and policy changes make this an urgent priority. Sensor deployments on the grid are expected to increase geometrically in the immediate future, while the demand for clean energy generation is driving the use of non-dispatchable power sources such as solar and wind. New demands are being placed on the power infrastructure due to the introduction of plug-in vehicles. These trends reinforce the need for higher fidelity simulation of power grids, and higher frequency measurement of their state. Call For Papers Our expected outcome from the workshop is to promote the use of high performance computing and networking technologies for power grid applications. We believe that this is of extreme importance given the extensive technology deployments and potential disruptions for the power grid. Topics of interest for this workshop include: * HPC applications for the power grid - Novel networking architectures for the grid * Sensor networks for the grid * Use of intelligent sensors for grid applications * Integration of sensor data streams & HPC applications * Data-intensive analytics * Libraries & software frameworks =20 The timeline for submissions is as follows: 1. Paper submission deadline: 09/01/11 2. Reviews & decisions due back to authors: 9/16/11 3. Camera-ready papers due: 10/01/11 4. Workshop: 11/13/11 To submit papers, please follow the instructions at the Submission link: https://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=3Dhipcnapg2011. For further questions, please contact hipcnapg2011@easychair.org Program Committee: Daniel Chavarr=EDa: daniel.chavarria@pnnl.gov (chair) Daniel Kirschen Boming Zhang Terry Oliver Bora Akyol Henry Huang Jeff Dagle Mihai Anitescu David Bakken Patrick Panciatici Gilbert Bindewald FPGI This workshop is sponsored in part by the Future Power Grid Initiative (FPGI), a laboratory directed research & development initiative at the Pacific Northwest National Lab (PNNL). The goal of the FPGI is to develop the next-generation algorithms and tools for networking, modeling and simulation, and visualization and decision support to drive the transformation towards a more reliable and efficient future power grid. The FPGI technical approach is to combine PNNL's distinctive capabilities in power systems, data intensive computing, high performance computing, and visual analytics to address the complex problems from these real-time and large-scale challenges. Contact Daniel G. Chavarr=EDa Research Scientist Pacific Northwest National Laboratory 902 Battelle Boulevard P.O. Box 999, MSIN: J4-30 Richland, WA 99352 USA Tel.: (509)372-6964 Fax: (509)375-4595 daniel.chavarria@pnnl.gov From fred@cisco.com Thu Jul 28 03:58:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E0821F8C4A; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:58:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.052 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.052 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.453, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zng9jPWGaNoy; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5029C21F8C3A; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 03:58:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=2673; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1311850718; x=1313060318; h=mime-version:subject:from:date:cc:message-id:to: content-transfer-encoding; bh=bkDifvaqnLiXRpQE1r0QbuA7onzVhDY1KOoFxJunmuA=; b=MDyXxk6mjggg+cOrE8NVCYqGytXewW9QgVkk26KPS8jzQJACq0u1gvwp iJ7exKOnqSAl79uRa3IkabEG5V1kT+BFrvANXOTAiOFAB8X5Ki649kGTx HC+EAHdTF45pv2hGttYYZtLqGj7lQqv3xpseyqEzgxSd6hcvn4E2Cn9GJ 4=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,281,1309737600"; d="scan'208";a="7331635" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2011 10:58:33 +0000 Received: from dhcp-4466.meeting.ietf.org (sjc-vpn4-1162.cisco.com [10.21.84.137]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6SAwB7D030619; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:58:11 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by dhcp-4466.meeting.ietf.org (PGP Universal service); Thu, 28 Jul 2011 06:58:32 -0400 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by dhcp-4466.meeting.ietf.org on Thu, 28 Jul 2011 06:58:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 06:58:02 -0400 Message-Id: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:04:19 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:58:39 -0000 FYI... I sat down last night to categorize what work we have around that = directly relates (as in, *says* it relates) to sensors, the smart grid, = and the nebulous "internet of things". What I came up with is attached: = 46 documents in 8 working groups or research groups, touching on = everything from "here's how to build a home" to routing architectures to = energy management MIBs. I personally would be interested to have the various people involved = comment for the group on what their contributions are about. It looks = interesting, and enquiring minds want to know :-) Core: draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt Homenet: draft-arkko-townsley-homenet-arch-00.txt draft-baker-fun-multi-router-00.txt lwig: draft-bormann-lwig-guidance-00.txt draft-williams-lwig-api-considerations-00.txt Crypto: draft-campagna-suitee-01.txt 6man: draft-chakrabarti-nordmark-energy-aware-nd-00.txt draft-oreirdan-rosenwald-ipv6mail-transition-00.txt eman: draft-claise-energy-monitoring-mib-09.txt draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-02.txt draft-ietf-eman-framework-02.txt draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt draft-nordman-eman-energy-perspective-01.txt draft-tychon-eman-applicability-statement-02.txt draft-verges-eman-separate-modules-mib-00.txt 6lowpan: draft-daniel-6lowpan-security-analysis-05.txt draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-01.txt draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt draft-ietf-6lowpan-routing-requirements-09.txt draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-10.txt draft-wang-6lowpan-scheduling-requirements-00.txt roll: draft-goyal-roll-metrics-direction-00.txt draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-01.txt draft-ietf-roll-security-framework-06.txt draft-ietf-roll-terminology-05.txt draft-popa-roll-applicability-ami-00.txt draft-qiu-roll-kemp-00.txt opsawg: draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-01.txt tictoc: draft-ietf-tictoc-requirements-01.txt dtnrg: draft-irtf-dtnrg-prophet-09.txt tsvwg: draft-wood-tsvwg-saratoga-09.txt netconf: draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt hip/hiprg: draft-irtf-hip-experiment-13.txt draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt draft-moskowitz-hip-rg-dex-05.txt iot: draft-iab-smart-object-workshop-01.txt draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-02.txt draft-routing-architecture-iot-00.txt draft-song-iot-emergency-network-00.txt draft-walewski-iot-use-case-00.txt Mentions Sensor Networks, Internet of Things, or Smart Grid, but not = "about" it: draft-cui-softwire-host-4over6-06.txt draft-oreirdan-mody-bot-remediation-13.txt From L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk Thu Jul 28 04:37:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4007C21F8BD6 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:37:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HkOKFSmTxi2X for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com [195.245.231.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14B821F88A6 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 04:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.245.231.67:45846] by server-4.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id 06/3E-04126-A0A413E4; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:37:46 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1311853065!47951688!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.17; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [131.227.200.43] Received: (qmail 5861 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 11:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EXHT022P.surrey.ac.uk) (131.227.200.43) by server-2.tower-82.messagelabs.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 11:37:46 -0000 Received: from EXMB01CMS.surrey.ac.uk ([169.254.1.151]) by EXHT022P.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.200.43]) with mapi; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:37:45 +0100 From: To: , , , , Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:34:48 +0100 Thread-Topic: Smart things in stupid networks Thread-Index: AcxNFVAdAaWylXBQSaKCNnHDkYuB/gAAJ9yQ Message-ID: References: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:18:22 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:37:51 -0000 Fred, Your Internet of Things/sensors list below called out our UDP-based Saratog= a data transfer protocol: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wood-tsvwg-saratoga which will be presented in Friday's tsvwg meeting by Will Ivancic. Our slid= es are already uploaded at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/slides/tsvwg-1.pdf Saratoga is intended for high-end sensor equipment that needs to move files= and stream data in private networks; engineered for speed and efficiency, = not concerned with congestion in these private networks with dedicated link= s, as the network design engineers congestion out. Saratoga has been used from space since 2004 on remote-sensing satellites, = where link speeds and filesizes are getting faster rapidly. It's now being = implemented and evaluated for continent-wide radio astronomy networks based= on high-speed fibre: the Australian Square Kilometer Array bid you're awar= e of (and you know Chas Smith, who is doing that. We say 'petabytes' and 'e= xabytes' a lot.) Meanwhile, NASA Glenn is interested in using Saratoga for = cameras on unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). After a few years of working quietly on this, we have multiple implementati= ons, interoperability... Further information is at: http://personal.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/dtn/saratoga I'm currently seeking funding for this work. If you're interested in Saratoga, please attend Will Ivancic's presentation= to tsvwg on Friday, or talk to Will or to Wes Eddy, who are at IETF Quebec= . regards, Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/CCSR > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Baker [mailto:fred@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: 28 July 2011 11:58 > To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org > Cc: core-chairs@tools.ietf.org;=20 > homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org; lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org;=20 > 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org; eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org;=20 > 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org; roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org;=20 > opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org; tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org;=20 > netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Smart things in stupid networks >=20 > FYI... >=20 > I sat down last night to categorize what work we have around=20 > that directly relates (as in, *says* it relates) to sensors,=20 > the smart grid, and the nebulous "internet of things". What I=20 > came up with is attached: 46 documents in 8 working groups or=20 > research groups, touching on everything from "here's how to=20 > build a home" to routing architectures to energy management MIBs. >=20 > I personally would be interested to have the various people=20 > involved comment for the group on what their contributions=20 > are about. It looks interesting, and enquiring minds want to know :-) >=20 > Core: > draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt > draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt > draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt > draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt > draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt >=20 > Homenet: > draft-arkko-townsley-homenet-arch-00.txt > draft-baker-fun-multi-router-00.txt >=20 > lwig: > draft-bormann-lwig-guidance-00.txt > draft-williams-lwig-api-considerations-00.txt >=20 > Crypto: > draft-campagna-suitee-01.txt >=20 > 6man: > draft-chakrabarti-nordmark-energy-aware-nd-00.txt > draft-oreirdan-rosenwald-ipv6mail-transition-00.txt >=20 > eman: > draft-claise-energy-monitoring-mib-09.txt > draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-02.txt > draft-ietf-eman-framework-02.txt > draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt > draft-nordman-eman-energy-perspective-01.txt > draft-tychon-eman-applicability-statement-02.txt > draft-verges-eman-separate-modules-mib-00.txt >=20 > 6lowpan: > draft-daniel-6lowpan-security-analysis-05.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-01.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-routing-requirements-09.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-10.txt > draft-wang-6lowpan-scheduling-requirements-00.txt >=20 > roll: > draft-goyal-roll-metrics-direction-00.txt > draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-01.txt > draft-ietf-roll-security-framework-06.txt > draft-ietf-roll-terminology-05.txt > draft-popa-roll-applicability-ami-00.txt > draft-qiu-roll-kemp-00.txt >=20 > opsawg: > draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-01.txt >=20 > tictoc: > draft-ietf-tictoc-requirements-01.txt >=20 > dtnrg: > draft-irtf-dtnrg-prophet-09.txt >=20 > tsvwg: > draft-wood-tsvwg-saratoga-09.txt >=20 > netconf: > draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt >=20 > hip/hiprg: > draft-irtf-hip-experiment-13.txt > draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt > draft-moskowitz-hip-rg-dex-05.txt >=20 > iot: > draft-iab-smart-object-workshop-01.txt > draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-02.txt > draft-routing-architecture-iot-00.txt > draft-song-iot-emergency-network-00.txt > draft-walewski-iot-use-case-00.txt >=20 > Mentions Sensor Networks, Internet of Things, or Smart Grid,=20 > but not "about" it: > draft-cui-softwire-host-4over6-06.txt > draft-oreirdan-mody-bot-remediation-13.txt > = From fluffy@cisco.com Thu Jul 28 06:38:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6441921F8569 for ; 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X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,282,1309737600"; d="scan'208";a="7378928" Received: from mtv-core-1.cisco.com ([171.68.58.6]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2011 13:38:50 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpn7-921.cisco.com (sjc-vpn7-921.cisco.com [10.21.147.153]) by mtv-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6SDcmwL023841; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:38:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Cullen Jennings In-Reply-To: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:38:50 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> To: Fred Baker (fred) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:18:22 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, smartpower-interest@ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:38:52 -0000 Fred, glad to see this list. I hope you aggregate all this information = into a ID. I provided a bit of information inline and one more draft of = mine that I would to mention is Apps Area: draft-jennings-senml-06.txt This draft defines a data format for reporting sensor values. On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:58 , Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >=20 > Core: > draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt > draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt > draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt > draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt > draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt >=20 The key core drafts are=20 draft-ietf-core-block-04.txt draft-ietf-core-coap-07.txt draft-ietf-core-link-format-06.txt draft-ietf-core-observe-02.txt The goal of core is to provide a light weight protocol that sits in the = stack in a similar place to HTTP. It can be used to set and retrieve = resources on a very light weight constrained device such as a sensor. It = also support a pub/sub model to be notified any time the a resource = changes. Currently the specification do not do a huge amount to support = for sleeping devices but it is a clear goal of many of the participants = to get the core protocols to work well with devices that spend most of = their time in low power sleep mode.=20 > eman: > draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt This draft provides a way for a client device such as an electric car to = find the future prices of electrical energy so that it adjust the times = it wishes to consume energy to charge the car.=20 From alper.yegin@yegin.org Thu Jul 28 11:03:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4F511E80D7 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:03:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1.449, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w7SARyIQIV-R for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3EE11E807B for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ibm (64-186-161-2.static-ip.telepacific.net [64.186.161.2]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MaHcO-1R6NDW0jdY-00KhcP; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:03:03 -0400 From: "Alper Yegin" To: "'Fred Baker'" , References: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:02:50 +0300 Message-ID: <001101cc4d50$996b99f0$cc42cdd0$@yegin@yegin.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcxNFhoicjChTBo0QTWZTEAk6b/bHwAOULVA Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:tWTtOQLwwPqaVImQGvyfVJylvs8wHJmXNgjzBSMUZ5/ 36xT6L/2lnAWSqn68C77dv7bHenv5jYyF5hqJrgXJ3ELF42ksQ nqpYhEqNZxjqpc3ZGes+L+0f1FmTmirbZdCp6HwbD0+l5HAuf1 N6S6vU/JvCZ0FygQiwxB3xS09f3s5SkatktG1LiKKPP2pcetV2 xBmDUvtiU92LslOfDoGdkGpjytdPmU7jcZ27lB02UE= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:18:22 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:03:06 -0000 Hi Fred, Thank you for collecting this list. It's very useful. Let me also add another I-D: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ohba-pana-relay-03 PANA (RFC 5191) is adopted by Zigbee Alliance Smart Energy Profile 2.0 for authenticating devices for network access. PANA Relay introduces a DHCP-like relay operation to PANA. This I-D is in RFC Editor's queue. Regards, Alper > -----Original Message----- > From: smartpower-interest-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartpower-interest- > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:58 PM > To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org > Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org; tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org; core- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org; eman- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org; homenet- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org; roll- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks > > FYI... > > I sat down last night to categorize what work we have around that > directly relates (as in, *says* it relates) to sensors, the smart grid, > and the nebulous "internet of things". What I came up with is attached: > 46 documents in 8 working groups or research groups, touching on > everything from "here's how to build a home" to routing architectures > to energy management MIBs. > > I personally would be interested to have the various people involved > comment for the group on what their contributions are about. It looks > interesting, and enquiring minds want to know :-) > > Core: > draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt > draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt > draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt > draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt > draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt > > Homenet: > draft-arkko-townsley-homenet-arch-00.txt > draft-baker-fun-multi-router-00.txt > > lwig: > draft-bormann-lwig-guidance-00.txt > draft-williams-lwig-api-considerations-00.txt > > Crypto: > draft-campagna-suitee-01.txt > > 6man: > draft-chakrabarti-nordmark-energy-aware-nd-00.txt > draft-oreirdan-rosenwald-ipv6mail-transition-00.txt > > eman: > draft-claise-energy-monitoring-mib-09.txt > draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-02.txt > draft-ietf-eman-framework-02.txt > draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt > draft-nordman-eman-energy-perspective-01.txt > draft-tychon-eman-applicability-statement-02.txt > draft-verges-eman-separate-modules-mib-00.txt > > 6lowpan: > draft-daniel-6lowpan-security-analysis-05.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-01.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-routing-requirements-09.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-10.txt > draft-wang-6lowpan-scheduling-requirements-00.txt > > roll: > draft-goyal-roll-metrics-direction-00.txt > draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-01.txt > draft-ietf-roll-security-framework-06.txt > draft-ietf-roll-terminology-05.txt > draft-popa-roll-applicability-ami-00.txt > draft-qiu-roll-kemp-00.txt > > opsawg: > draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-01.txt > > tictoc: > draft-ietf-tictoc-requirements-01.txt > > dtnrg: > draft-irtf-dtnrg-prophet-09.txt > > tsvwg: > draft-wood-tsvwg-saratoga-09.txt > > netconf: > draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt > > hip/hiprg: > draft-irtf-hip-experiment-13.txt > draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt > draft-moskowitz-hip-rg-dex-05.txt > > iot: > draft-iab-smart-object-workshop-01.txt > draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-02.txt > draft-routing-architecture-iot-00.txt > draft-song-iot-emergency-network-00.txt > draft-walewski-iot-use-case-00.txt > > Mentions Sensor Networks, Internet of Things, or Smart Grid, but not > "about" it: > draft-cui-softwire-host-4over6-06.txt > draft-oreirdan-mody-bot-remediation-13.txt > > > _______________________________________________ > smartpower-interest mailing list > smartpower-interest@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartpower-interest From Pascal.Urien@gmail.com Thu Jul 28 11:08:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4297B11E80F8 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:08:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.322 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.322 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.477, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) 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The draft draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt is based on two ideas

- A "smart" thing has an identity, but not neccesary an I= P layer
- A "smart" thing needs strong privacy, e.g. no fix iden= tifier such as an IP address ou a hash value of some value=20

more details at=20
http://perso.telecom-paristech.fr/~urien/hiprfid/index.html

Best Regards

Pascal

Le , Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> a =E9crit=A0:
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> I sat down last night to categorize what work we have around tha= t directly relates (as in, *says* it relates) to sensors, the smart grid, a= nd the nebulous "internet of things". What I came up with is atta= ched: 46 documents in 8 working groups or research groups, touching on ever= ything from "here's how to build a home" to routing architect= ures to energy management MIBs.
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> I personally would be interested to have the various people invo= lved comment for the group on what their contributions are about. It looks = interesting, and enquiring minds want to know :-)
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> Core:
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> draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt
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> draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt
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> draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt
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> Homenet:
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> lwig:
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> Crypto:
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> 6man:
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> draft-oreirdan-rosenwald-ipv6mail-transition-00.txt
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> eman:
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> draft-ietf-eman-framework-02.txt
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> draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-01.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-ietf-6lowpan-routing-requirements-09.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-10.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-wang-6lowpan-scheduling-requirements-00.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> roll:
>=20
>=20
> draft-goyal-roll-metrics-direction-00.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-01.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-ietf-roll-security-framework-06.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-ietf-roll-terminology-05.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-popa-roll-applicability-ami-00.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-qiu-roll-kemp-00.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> opsawg:
>=20
>=20
> draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-01.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> tictoc:
>=20
>=20
> draft-ietf-tictoc-requirements-01.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> dtnrg:
>=20
>=20
> draft-irtf-dtnrg-prophet-09.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> tsvwg:
>=20
>=20
> draft-wood-tsvwg-saratoga-09.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> netconf:
>=20
>=20
> draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> hip/hiprg:
>=20
>=20
> draft-irtf-hip-experiment-13.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-moskowitz-hip-rg-dex-05.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> iot:
>=20
>=20
> draft-iab-smart-object-workshop-01.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-02.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-routing-architecture-iot-00.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-song-iot-emergency-network-00.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-walewski-iot-use-case-00.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Mentions Sensor Networks, Internet of Things, or Smart Grid, but= not "about" it:
>=20
>=20
> draft-cui-softwire-host-4over6-06.txt
>=20
>=20
> draft-oreirdan-mody-bot-remediation-13.txt
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --0015174c3d70769b5c04a9250ddb-- From johanna.1.nieminen@nokia.com Thu Jul 28 13:20:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B30911E8083 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QdQbil9YzGog for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-da01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FC211E8081 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-da01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p6SKK0Lh014706; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:20:03 +0300 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.5]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:20:01 +0300 Received: from 008-AM1MMR1-006.mgdnok.nokia.com (65.54.30.61) by NOK-am1MHUB-01.mgdnok.nokia.com (65.54.30.5) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.255.0; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:20:00 +0200 Received: from 008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com ([169.254.1.226]) by 008-AM1MMR1-006.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.61]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.002; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:20:00 +0200 From: To: , Thread-Topic: Smart things in stupid networks Thread-Index: AQHMTRVR14JK8ngSpUuiVQnlJ3YURpUCKpMg Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:20:00 +0000 Message-ID: <5FA713B99ACAA6478C065A155E206B4605E0D0@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.162.158.89] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2011 20:20:01.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA7F55B0:01CC4D63] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:18:22 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:20:06 -0000 Hi, Our draft (6LoWpan: draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-01.txt) is about transmitting I= Pv6 packets over Bluetooth Low Energy Radio. In practice we are reusing/ada= pting 6LoWpan stack, describing what parts of it will or will not be used a= nd how BT-LE enables eliding source and/or destination addresses in certain= cases. The work is connected to Bluetooth-SIG standardization organization= : our draft assumes that SIG allocates a new fixed channel ID for IP traffi= c in BT-LE L2CAP layer. Dr. Johanna Nieminen Principal Researcher Security and Networking Protocols team, NRC Radio Systems Laboratory,=20 Chief Technology Office, Nokia Mobile: +358 (0)50 486 3667 >-----Original Message----- >From: ext Fred Baker [mailto:fred@cisco.com] >Sent: 28 July, 2011 13:58 >To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org >Cc: core-chairs@tools.ietf.org; homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org; lwig- >chairs@tools.ietf.org; 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org; eman- >chairs@tools.ietf.org; 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org; roll- >chairs@tools.ietf.org; opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org; tictoc- >chairs@tools.ietf.org; netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org >Subject: Smart things in stupid networks > >FYI... > >I sat down last night to categorize what work we have around that directly >relates (as in, *says* it relates) to sensors, the smart grid, and the neb= ulous >"internet of things". What I came up with is attached: 46 documents in 8 >working groups or research groups, touching on everything from "here's how >to build a home" to routing architectures to energy management MIBs. > >I personally would be interested to have the various people involved >comment for the group on what their contributions are about. It looks >interesting, and enquiring minds want to know :-) > >Core: >draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt >draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt >draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt >draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt >draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt > >Homenet: >draft-arkko-townsley-homenet-arch-00.txt >draft-baker-fun-multi-router-00.txt > >lwig: >draft-bormann-lwig-guidance-00.txt >draft-williams-lwig-api-considerations-00.txt > >Crypto: >draft-campagna-suitee-01.txt > >6man: >draft-chakrabarti-nordmark-energy-aware-nd-00.txt >draft-oreirdan-rosenwald-ipv6mail-transition-00.txt > >eman: >draft-claise-energy-monitoring-mib-09.txt >draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-02.txt >draft-ietf-eman-framework-02.txt >draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt >draft-nordman-eman-energy-perspective-01.txt >draft-tychon-eman-applicability-statement-02.txt >draft-verges-eman-separate-modules-mib-00.txt > >6lowpan: >draft-daniel-6lowpan-security-analysis-05.txt >draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-01.txt >draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt >draft-ietf-6lowpan-routing-requirements-09.txt >draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-10.txt >draft-wang-6lowpan-scheduling-requirements-00.txt > >roll: >draft-goyal-roll-metrics-direction-00.txt >draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-01.txt >draft-ietf-roll-security-framework-06.txt >draft-ietf-roll-terminology-05.txt >draft-popa-roll-applicability-ami-00.txt >draft-qiu-roll-kemp-00.txt > >opsawg: >draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-01.txt > >tictoc: >draft-ietf-tictoc-requirements-01.txt > >dtnrg: >draft-irtf-dtnrg-prophet-09.txt > >tsvwg: >draft-wood-tsvwg-saratoga-09.txt > >netconf: >draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt > >hip/hiprg: >draft-irtf-hip-experiment-13.txt >draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt >draft-moskowitz-hip-rg-dex-05.txt > >iot: >draft-iab-smart-object-workshop-01.txt >draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-02.txt >draft-routing-architecture-iot-00.txt >draft-song-iot-emergency-network-00.txt >draft-walewski-iot-use-case-00.txt > >Mentions Sensor Networks, Internet of Things, or Smart Grid, but not "abou= t" >it: >draft-cui-softwire-host-4over6-06.txt >draft-oreirdan-mody-bot-remediation-13.txt > From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Thu Jul 28 13:41:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EA65E8033 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:41:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.544 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.544 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.055, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tQc3V5upFO4O for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D4E5E8029 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6SKf9Qh020029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:41:09 +0200 Received: from demuexc024.nsn-intra.net (demuexc024.nsn-intra.net [10.159.32.11]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6SKf9KJ025686; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:41:09 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.18]) by demuexc024.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:40:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:40:50 +0200 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64026D9749@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Smart things in stupid networks Thread-Index: AcxNK76jWt7jzgsgSWOVO0Wy3W628QACjeww References: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Cullen Jennings" , "Fred Baker (fred)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2011 20:40:53.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4A32520:01CC4D66] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:18:22 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, Juergen Schoenwaelder , eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, smartpower-interest@ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:41:15 -0000 Hi Fred, 'draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds' has been mainly triggered by NIST SGIP and IEC guys and aims to complement RFC 6272 on "Internet Protocols for the Smart Grid". The draft is being discussed in the SGIP IP Suite WG and will be reviewed there before publication. 'draft-schoenw-netconf-light' defines a subset of the NETCONF protocol (NETCONF Light) that can be implemented on resource constrained devices. An implementation of NETCONF Light on Contiki operating system has been created and is running on AVR Raven motes. The implementation is going to be published as open-source soon. Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Cullen Jennings [mailto:fluffy@cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:39 PM > To: Fred Baker (fred) > Cc: smartpower-interest@ietf.org; core-chairs@tools.ietf.org; homenet- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org; 6man- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org; 6lowpan- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org; opsawg- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org; netconf- > chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: Smart things in stupid networks >=20 >=20 > Fred, glad to see this list. I hope you aggregate all this information into a > ID. I provided a bit of information inline and one more draft of mine that I > would to mention is >=20 > Apps Area: > draft-jennings-senml-06.txt >=20 > This draft defines a data format for reporting sensor values. >=20 >=20 > On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:58 , Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >=20 > > > > Core: > > draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt > > draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt > > draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt > > draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt > > draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt > > >=20 > The key core drafts are >=20 > draft-ietf-core-block-04.txt > draft-ietf-core-coap-07.txt > draft-ietf-core-link-format-06.txt > draft-ietf-core-observe-02.txt >=20 > The goal of core is to provide a light weight protocol that sits in the stack > in a similar place to HTTP. It can be used to set and retrieve resources on a > very light weight constrained device such as a sensor. It also support a > pub/sub model to be notified any time the a resource changes. Currently the > specification do not do a huge amount to support for sleeping devices but it > is a clear goal of many of the participants to get the core protocols to work > well with devices that spend most of their time in low power sleep mode. >=20 >=20 > > eman: > > draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt >=20 > This draft provides a way for a client device such as an electric car to find > the future prices of electrical energy so that it adjust the times it wishes > to consume energy to charge the car. >=20 From robby.simpson@ge.com Thu Jul 28 16:26:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8160C11E8165 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id texuC1YvcAgu for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod5og115.obsmtp.com (exprod5og115.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.246]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704EF11E80A2 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Alpmlip05.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.5.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob115.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTjHwICzQ/Ruvl9nQAVAjQwEPLUj7n4vY@postini.com; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:26:25 PDT Received: from unknown (HELO cinmlef12.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.213.59]) by Alpmlip05.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2011 19:26:24 -0400 Received: from ALPMLVEM04.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.17.51]) by cinmlef12.e2k.ad.ge.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:23:20 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:26:27 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101cc4d50$996b99f0$cc42cdd0$@yegin@yegin.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks Thread-Index: AcxNFhoicjChTBo0QTWZTEAk6b/bHwAOULVAAAuHNlA= References: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> <001101cc4d50$996b99f0$cc42cdd0$@yegin@yegin.org> From: "Simpson, Robby (GE Energy Services)" To: "Alper Yegin" , "Fred Baker" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2011 23:23:20.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[56B5AF60:01CC4D7D] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:34:39 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:26:26 -0000 > PANA (RFC 5191) is adopted by Zigbee Alliance Smart Energy Profile 2.0 for > authenticating devices for network access. PANA Relay introduces a DHCP- > like relay operation to PANA. This I-D is in RFC Editor's queue. Hi Alper -- one clarification. PANA is used by the ZigBee Alliance's ZigBee IP stack (a collection of largely, if not exclusively IETF standards to allow IPv6 to work on 802.15.4). This is different than the Smart Energy Profile 2.0, which is link-layer agnostic and operates at the application layer. - Robby From d.sturek@att.net Thu Jul 28 16:34:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFCB11E80C8 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:34:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.316, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RA615QcDBieu for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 91E4811E80A2 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 23:34:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.74] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 23:34:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jul 2011 23:34:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 935453.1819.bm@omp1011.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 96968 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2011 23:34:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1311896084; bh=fhhJtYrDYOwu7rJJ/UdAIePfRSf+nf9/nKjw4Ovto+U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:CC:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=HRPTP5QQUKU25gd5lNKx4ktUFdH4xqiZiMGfy0Y80+5l6d4vSbYULGiNRktoVBzPgvHO4wgsGkxOLnZQImc+aLNOKDyYSuGtMouSH/CdI8rFcHH2boOBvXflZD8hjG8eVWHfA96ETj+JhhZVba9LspqpCQAVUfJc24DmVzT9Czk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: V2CJgG8VM1nxyf.XDyf9ZGztiab._lN_P3OYS5iIaC70Xa5 XOoBkbQVItJhJraPlpZNQKVjP8vidc6lhH9IwvwwuQbop8wiKptosUK3IVWu i3yheYcFZgGHo_UkWcW55a0OSUQKammx6kr5arbkG0BNecznJB04oYYH_QnW VVvReIg7BYY4QyHAjHUUWZSa_ULl1tk9R7jkU351d8mMMoVxoj6MkGdXKPzI 6qCaSQARKRApnpgYTetnyKFq14fA3Xg0zVuyrdLa0KtBHLeqRm.Sk8.UHHGA 5OgSkPHU620EK7BPiLJ9XPGDH8fJsRjp_22Kdd_krvULSkC_XaDlcifdGTog qcOEfA1J4FxLdX0FgFEjZAZyz4ezCXZ8.QwOIu3uE5eMP.K25qeUI7TyCcgI z91J6mG_qC4BUiYYvFadR6XOzAF6_oROfidTzmN0oViAa3bHhGc5q1ied189 OPqifhmx7zZmRMxR.R0B3vJamZXLxBBG5jAU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: fvjol_aswBAraSJvMLe2r1XTzhBhbFxY8q8c3jo- Received: from [192.168.0.198] (d.sturek@67.124.203.43 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 16:34:42 -0700 PDT User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:34:37 -0700 From: Don Sturek To: , Fred Baker Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks In-Reply-To: <0015174c3d70769b7404a9250dde@google.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3394715682_2219120" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:34:39 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, smartpower-interest@ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:34:50 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3394715682_2219120 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, I would expect that the presence of an IP layer is the minimum bar for inclusion into the IETF internet of things. Question for you: How would devices without an IP layer participate in an IP network? Don From: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:08:31 +0000 To: Fred Baker Cc: <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, , , , , , , <6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, , , Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks Hi fred,=20 The draft draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt is based on two ideas - A "smart" thing has an identity, but not neccesary an IP layer - A "smart" thing needs strong privacy, e.g. no fix identifier such as a= n IP address ou a hash value of some value more details at=20 http://perso.telecom-paristech.fr/~urien/hiprfid/index.html Best Regards=20 Pascal=20 Le , Fred Baker a =E9crit : > FYI...=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I sat down last night to categorize what work we have around that directl= y relates (as in, *says* it relates) to sensors, the smart grid, and the nebu= lous "internet of things". What I came up with is attached: 46 documents in 8 wo= rking groups or research groups, touching on everything from "here's how to build= a home" to routing architectures to energy management MIBs. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I personally would be interested to have the various people involved comm= ent for the group on what their contributions are about. It looks interesting, = and enquiring minds want to know :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Core:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Homenet:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-arkko-townsley-homenet-arch-00.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-baker-fun-multi-router-00.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > lwig:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-bormann-lwig-guidance-00.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-williams-lwig-api-considerations-00.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Crypto:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-campagna-suitee-01.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 6man:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-chakrabarti-nordmark-energy-aware-nd-00.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-oreirdan-rosenwald-ipv6mail-transition-00.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > eman:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-claise-energy-monitoring-mib-09.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-02.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-eman-framework-02.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-nordman-eman-energy-perspective-01.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-tychon-eman-applicability-statement-02.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-verges-eman-separate-modules-mib-00.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 6lowpan:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-daniel-6lowpan-security-analysis-05.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-01.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-6lowpan-routing-requirements-09.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-10.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-wang-6lowpan-scheduling-requirements-00.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > roll:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-goyal-roll-metrics-direction-00.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-01.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-roll-security-framework-06.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-roll-terminology-05.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-popa-roll-applicability-ami-00.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-qiu-roll-kemp-00.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > opsawg:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-01.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > tictoc:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-tictoc-requirements-01.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > dtnrg:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-irtf-dtnrg-prophet-09.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > tsvwg:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-wood-tsvwg-saratoga-09.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > netconf:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > hip/hiprg:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-irtf-hip-experiment-13.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-moskowitz-hip-rg-dex-05.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > iot:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-iab-smart-object-workshop-01.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-02.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-routing-architecture-iot-00.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-song-iot-emergency-network-00.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-walewski-iot-use-case-00.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mentions Sensor Networks, Internet of Things, or Smart Grid, but not "abo= ut" it:=20 >=20 >=20 > draft-cui-softwire-host-4over6-06.txt >=20 >=20 > draft-oreirdan-mody-bot-remediation-13.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >_______________________________________________ smartpower-interest mailin= g list smartpower-interest@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartpower-interest --B_3394715682_2219120 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal,

I would expect that the presence of an IP layer is the minimum bar f= or inclusion into the IETF internet of things.

Ques= tion for you:  How would devices without an IP layer participate in an = IP network?

Don


=

From: <Pascal.Urien@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:08:31 +0000
To: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
Cc: <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org>= , <tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf= .org>, <core-chairs@to= ols.ietf.org>, <lwig-c= hairs@tools.ietf.org>, <eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, <opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, <homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, <6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org>= , <roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org= >, <smartpower-inter= est@ietf.org>, <net= conf-chairs@tools.ietf.org>
Subject= : Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks

Hi fred,

The draft draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt is based on two ideas

- A "smart" thing has an identity, but not neccesary an IP layer
- A "smart" thing needs strong privacy, e.g. no fix identifier such = as an IP address ou a hash value of some value

more details at
http://perso.telecom-paristech.fr/~urien/hiprfid/index.html

Best Regards

Pascal

Le , Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com<= /a>> a =E9crit :
> FYI...
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> I personally would be interested to have the various people involv= ed comment for the group on what their contributions are about. It looks int= eresting, and enquiring minds want to know :-)
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> Core:
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> draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt
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> draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt
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> draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt
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> draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt
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> draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt
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> Homenet:
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> draft-arkko-townsley-homenet-arch-00.txt
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> draft-baker-fun-multi-router-00.txt
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> lwig:
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> draft-bormann-lwig-guidance-00.txt
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> draft-williams-lwig-api-considerations-00.txt
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> Crypto:
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> draft-campagna-suitee-01.txt
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> 6man:
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> draft-chakrabarti-nordmark-energy-aware-nd-00.txt
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> draft-oreirdan-rosenwald-ipv6mail-transition-00.txt
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> eman:
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> draft-claise-energy-monitoring-mib-09.txt
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> draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-02.txt
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> draft-ietf-eman-framework-02.txt
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> draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt
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> draft-nordman-eman-energy-perspective-01.txt
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> draft-tychon-eman-applicability-statement-02.txt
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> draft-verges-eman-separate-modules-mib-00.txt
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> draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-01.txt
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> draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt
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> draft-ietf-6lowpan-routing-requirements-09.txt
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> draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-10.txt
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> draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-01.txt
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> draft-ietf-roll-security-framework-06.txt
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> draft-ietf-roll-terminology-05.txt
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> draft-popa-roll-applicability-ami-00.txt
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> draft-qiu-roll-kemp-00.txt
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> opsawg:
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> draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-01.txt
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> draft-irtf-dtnrg-prophet-09.txt
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> draft-irtf-hip-experiment-13.txt
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> draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-02.txt
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> draft-routing-architecture-iot-00.txt
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> draft-song-iot-emergency-network-00.txt
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> draft-walewski-iot-use-case-00.txt
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> Mentions Sensor Networks, Internet of Things, or Smart Grid, but n= ot "about" it:
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> draft-cui-softwire-host-4over6-06.txt
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> draft-oreirdan-mody-bot-remediation-13.txt
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>_______________________________________________ smartpower-interest mailing list smartpower-interest@ietf.org<= /a> https:/= /www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartpower-interest --B_3394715682_2219120-- From pthubert@cisco.com Thu Jul 28 19:39:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4CC11E8074 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:39:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.652 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.652 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R5muVqTWBIqu for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA63521F8B80 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:39:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=pthubert@cisco.com; l=4807; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1311907195; x=1313116795; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to:cc; bh=jnIj2xDtT3d0NvsbtduRSXme2CC+HTnu8uFB1xFN228=; b=ayLoawL9UbiYZChZqQ5pJj4rilbtoZUg7EZdb30X3IYsQQtK6MVyIp+s S/NEgz1p7Sjt9ftCRJrOcBxB2NjrDUk83X92IkV0PRtsgMAl2A6adwCsc j+z4tsNfPQ/QHclFmVV8ekQ7obUd+NfnooxNrsFKm84smYipET/ZMi/5G w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvMAADccMk6Q/khN/2dsb2JhbAA1AQEBAQIBFAEhCkUFBwUCAQkRAQMBAQsGGQsGARM+CwgBAQUBFgwbl2yPS3eIfKJznj6FYl8EmAmLVg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,285,1309737600"; d="scan'208";a="105314884" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2011 02:39:53 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-101.cisco.com (xbh-ams-101.cisco.com [144.254.74.71]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p6T2drMY008843; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:39:53 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-107.cisco.com ([144.254.74.82]) by xbh-ams-101.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 29 Jul 2011 04:39:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 04:39:24 +0200 Message-ID: <6A2A459175DABE4BB11DE2026AA50A5D052DF0F9@XMB-AMS-107.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Smart things in stupid networks Thread-Index: AcxNFVCuf3CndHrPSUCFAE8F6ww6VwAf1ltQ References: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "Fred Baker (fred)" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2011 02:39:53.0479 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBB33970:01CC4D98] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:34:39 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:39:56 -0000 Hi Fred: Thanks for starting this. I note that your query found a number of ROLL drafts but missed RPL and the main Objective Functions (OF0 and MRHof). draft-ietf-roll-rpl draft-ietf-roll-of0 draft-ietf-roll-minrank-hysteresis-of RPL is a generic DV routing protocol that addresses routing in WSN and considers: 1) building a multilink subnet. Eventually passing on subnet related information (PIO) to allow slaac along the forming DAG. 2) routing via multiple gateways within one or multiple isolated network instances OFs adapt the protocol to the various constraints and metrics used in a given instance; see also: draft-ietf-roll-routing-metrics Forwarding over instances can be done with additional 6MAN drafts: draft-ietf-6man-rpl-option and=20 draft-ietf-6man-rpl-routing-header The RPL (HbH) option indicates amongst other things the instance ID which can be seen as a L3 VLANID, though the address space specified here is too small to be generalized.=20 About draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc: This work updates RFC 4944 to compress over 802.15.4 based networks. A number of variations are being proposed for various other links from BT to DECT via BACNET. 6LoPWAN HC was done in liaison with ISA100.11a, the first industrial standard for WSN to adopt IP (v6 for that matter) which adopted it, now becoming an IEC standard. See also: draft-lynn-6man-6lobac Cheers, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Fred Baker (fred) > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:58 PM > To: smartpower-interest@ietf.org > Cc: core-chairs@tools.ietf.org; homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org; lwig- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org; eman- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org; roll- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org; tictoc- > chairs@tools.ietf.org; netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Smart things in stupid networks >=20 > FYI... >=20 > I sat down last night to categorize what work we have around that directly > relates (as in, *says* it relates) to sensors, the smart grid, and the nebulous > "internet of things". What I came up with is attached: 46 documents in 8 > working groups or research groups, touching on everything from "here's how > to build a home" to routing architectures to energy management MIBs. >=20 > I personally would be interested to have the various people involved > comment for the group on what their contributions are about. It looks > interesting, and enquiring minds want to know :-) >=20 > Core: > draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt > draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt > draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt > draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt > draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt >=20 > Homenet: > draft-arkko-townsley-homenet-arch-00.txt > draft-baker-fun-multi-router-00.txt >=20 > lwig: > draft-bormann-lwig-guidance-00.txt > draft-williams-lwig-api-considerations-00.txt >=20 > Crypto: > draft-campagna-suitee-01.txt >=20 > 6man: > draft-chakrabarti-nordmark-energy-aware-nd-00.txt > draft-oreirdan-rosenwald-ipv6mail-transition-00.txt >=20 > eman: > draft-claise-energy-monitoring-mib-09.txt > draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-02.txt > draft-ietf-eman-framework-02.txt > draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt > draft-nordman-eman-energy-perspective-01.txt > draft-tychon-eman-applicability-statement-02.txt > draft-verges-eman-separate-modules-mib-00.txt >=20 > 6lowpan: > draft-daniel-6lowpan-security-analysis-05.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-btle-01.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-hc-15.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-routing-requirements-09.txt > draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-10.txt > draft-wang-6lowpan-scheduling-requirements-00.txt >=20 > roll: > draft-goyal-roll-metrics-direction-00.txt > draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-01.txt > draft-ietf-roll-security-framework-06.txt > draft-ietf-roll-terminology-05.txt > draft-popa-roll-applicability-ami-00.txt > draft-qiu-roll-kemp-00.txt >=20 > opsawg: > draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-01.txt >=20 > tictoc: > draft-ietf-tictoc-requirements-01.txt >=20 > dtnrg: > draft-irtf-dtnrg-prophet-09.txt >=20 > tsvwg: > draft-wood-tsvwg-saratoga-09.txt >=20 > netconf: > draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt >=20 > hip/hiprg: > draft-irtf-hip-experiment-13.txt > draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt > draft-moskowitz-hip-rg-dex-05.txt >=20 > iot: > draft-iab-smart-object-workshop-01.txt > draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-02.txt > draft-routing-architecture-iot-00.txt > draft-song-iot-emergency-network-00.txt > draft-walewski-iot-use-case-00.txt >=20 > Mentions Sensor Networks, Internet of Things, or Smart Grid, but not > "about" it: > draft-cui-softwire-host-4over6-06.txt > draft-oreirdan-mody-bot-remediation-13.txt >=20 From Pascal.Urien@gmail.com Fri Jul 29 02:57:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D4621F8B67 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.845 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.845 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HJMggQW1yZiH for ; 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In http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-urien-hip-iot-00 there is a disc= ussion about the RFID and the Internert Of Thing, and one issue is IP or no= t IP layer in the RFID.

If there is enough computing power then an IP stack may be supported

But

- An RFID has no battery
- An RFID is powered by a reader , the reader always includes an IP= stack
- The primary goal of an RFID is to deliver a serial number, we want= to protect this information.
- Some additionnal read/write operations may be available

In draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt ( http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81= /slides/HIPRG-1.pdf ) we use a modified HIP layer in the RFID and an IP st= ack in the reader. For read/write operations an ESP protocol could be used = by the RFID, whose PDUs are transported by the reader IP packets.

The open issues are=20
- what protocol is running in the RFID for identity protection,=20
- what services are provided by the reader.

Best Regards

Pascal=20

Le , Don Sturek <d.sturek@att.net> a =E9crit=A0:
> Hi Pascal,
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> I would expect that the presence of an IP layer is the minimum b= ar for inclusion into the IETF internet of things.
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> Question for you: =A0How would devices without an IP layer parti= cipate in an IP network?
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> Don
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> From: Pascal.Urien@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:08:31 +0000
> To: Fred Baker fred@cisco.com>
> Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.or= g>, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, eman= -chairs@tools.ietf.org>, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, homenet-chair= s@tools.ietf.org>, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, roll-chairs@tools.= ietf.org>, smartpower-interest@ietf.org>, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.o= rg>
> Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid netwo= rks
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> Hi fred,
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> The draft draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-03.txt is based on two ideas
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> - A "smart" thing has an identity, but not neccesary= an IP layer
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> - A "smart" thing needs strong privacy, e.g. no fix= identifier such as an IP address ou a hash value of some value=20
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> more details at=20
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> http://perso.telecom-paristech.fr/~urien/hiprfid/index.html
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> Best Regards
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> Pascal
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> Le , Fred Baker fred@cisco.com> a =E9crit=A0:
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> > FYI...
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> > I sat down last night to categorize what work we have aroun= d that directly relates (as in, *says* it relates) to sensors, the smart gr= id, and the nebulous "internet of things". What I came up with is= attached: 46 documents in 8 working groups or research groups, touching on= everything from "here's how to build a home" to routing arch= itectures to energy management MIBs.
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> > roll:
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> >_______________________________________________
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> --0015174c0e340218fd04a9324fa2-- From richard@shockey.us Sat Jul 30 17:30:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpower-interest@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62EC21F86BB for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:30:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.402, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZMSC2tniuG4m for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (unknown [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C68421F86AC for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6287 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2011 20:30:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box462.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.62) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2011 20:30:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shockey.us; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From; bh=1LaP+kw0cEgVA57C0QpjL/xAlKQlHecVAB3RLQRV0zY=; b=jxdUqw0CRv/lCQkxuRodpIvuGwWd8pl8Nv8mo5Dw627WgHoIh/pz4HcLxmDETjfWSAhHuzX6PfEFsXCReLeusZfkMfeLX/bX91/O6z7w94o1uCWjBtpAXJc2+oTQFYd7; Received: from pool-71-178-24-118.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([71.178.24.118] helo=RSHOCKEYPC) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QnGBW-0004hB-Ip; Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:30:58 -0600 From: "Richard Shockey" To: "'Cullen Jennings'" , "'Fred Baker \(fred\)'" References: <2607AB8B-3208-4935-B81D-EBA72D6B4E52@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:30:54 -0400 Message-ID: <007e01cc4ef7$9658c370$c30a4a50$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcxNfKXPcISRbPXDQCOmyaDl1NYv6wBemESg Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 71.178.24.118 authed with richard@shockey.us} X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:46:23 -0700 Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org, core-chairs@tools.ietf.org, lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org, homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org, 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org, roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org, smartpower-interest@ietf.org, netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks X-BeenThere: smartpower-interest@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Smart Power Interest List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:30:57 -0000 +1 this effort would nicely complement RFC 6272 -----Original Message----- From: smartpower-interest-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartpower-interest-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Cullen Jennings Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:39 AM To: Fred Baker (fred) Cc: 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org; tictoc-chairs@tools.ietf.org; core-chairs@tools.ietf.org; lwig-chairs@tools.ietf.org; eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org; opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org; homenet-chairs@tools.ietf.org; 6lowpan-chairs@tools.ietf.org; roll-chairs@tools.ietf.org; smartpower-interest@ietf.org; netconf-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartpower-interest] Smart things in stupid networks Fred, glad to see this list. I hope you aggregate all this information into a ID. I provided a bit of information inline and one more draft of mine that I would to mention is Apps Area: draft-jennings-senml-06.txt This draft defines a data format for reporting sensor values. On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:58 , Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > Core: > draft-arkko-core-security-arch-00.txt > draft-arkko-core-sleepy-sensors-01.txt > draft-braun-core-compressed-ipfix-02.txt > draft-garcia-core-security-02.txt > draft-sarikaya-core-sbootstrapping-02.txt > The key core drafts are draft-ietf-core-block-04.txt draft-ietf-core-coap-07.txt draft-ietf-core-link-format-06.txt draft-ietf-core-observe-02.txt The goal of core is to provide a light weight protocol that sits in the stack in a similar place to HTTP. It can be used to set and retrieve resources on a very light weight constrained device such as a sensor. It also support a pub/sub model to be notified any time the a resource changes. Currently the specification do not do a huge amount to support for sleeping devices but it is a clear goal of many of the participants to get the core protocols to work well with devices that spend most of their time in low power sleep mode. > eman: > draft-jennings-energy-pricing-01.txt This draft provides a way for a client device such as an electric car to find the future prices of electrical energy so that it adjust the times it wishes to consume energy to charge the car. _______________________________________________ smartpower-interest mailing list smartpower-interest@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartpower-interest