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= ; --F_C7D_F.A775-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Jan 20 22:07:37 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA07814 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L2Wdib005001; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0L2Wd2O005000; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz ([202.36.173.38]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L2Wbib004987 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Craig.McGregor@treasury.govt.nz) Received: from juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz (Not Verified[172.20.2.43]) by fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz with Non-Descript e-mail server id ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:32:34 +1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:33:45 +1300 Message-ID: <14270A31340CCF46A050FEC25B8F50A006412FA9@juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz> Thread-Topic: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME Thread-Index: AcPfxv3r2C6Zuj38RhayMVhQXBPITg== From: "Craig McGregor" To: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i0L2Wdib004994 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings all, I recall that the SMIME WG charter once said something similar to "Submit domain security services as Proposed Standard", and has since changed to "Submit domain security services as Experimental RFC". During a browse of the archives I could not find any discussion as to the merits or otherwise on pursuing Experimental vs Proposed for this document. There was a message titled "Last Call: Domain Security Services using S/MIME to Proposed Standard" on 12 June 2001, but nothing since. I am particularly interested in the progress of this RFC because in New Zealand we're using a system remarkably similar to Domain Security Services for securing e-mail between our Public Service Agencies over the internet. This began in late 2000 and is now transparently securing messages sent between around 30,000 Public service employees in 41 government agencies using 78 e-mail domains. For somewhere the size of New Zealand this is a relatively large user base for a system. We view our "S.E.E. Mail" system as an interoperaility standard for interfacing between government agencies, and as such rely on the use of open standards where possible to ensure product variety. In the past we have found that 'Product Managers' of e-mail gateway software are relatively uninterested in supporting 'Experimental' standards as they are usually limited in deployment and are subject to change or to disappear and never been seen before. Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other 'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? I think there was something similar used for Health care in parts of the US? Regards, Craig McGregor http://see.govt.nz/mail From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Jan 20 22:40:47 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA08749 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L3EVib007779; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:14:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0L3EUJ8007778; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:14:30 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.151]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L3ERib007770 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:14:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from cs.auckland.ac.nz (medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.33]) by smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1859534134; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:14:00 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from pgut001@localhost) by cs.auckland.ac.nz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L3EMd11681; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:14:22 +1300 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:14:22 +1300 Message-Id: <200401210314.i0L3EMd11681@cs.auckland.ac.nz> From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: Craig.McGregor@treasury.govt.nz, ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: "Craig McGregor" writes: >Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other >'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? I think there >was something similar used for Health care in parts of the US? There are a number of independent reinventions of DOMSEC (or DOMSEC-type mechanisms) by S/MIME gateway vendors around (is there any vendor of such a product who hasn't done something similar somewhere? You more or less need to do this at some point). It's one of these things where implementors have quietly gone out and fixed the problem (unfortunately probably in mostly incompatible ways) while the standardisation effort was mired in politics and pie-throwing. This may have created a somewhat unfortunate situation where vendors already have their own solutions and aren't too interested in a push for a single standard approach, and even if someone were to push for a standards-track design, everyone would feel the need to push their own products' approach as the One True Solution (currently it's relatively clean and simple because it was done by one or two people with a single design in mind). It could get really messy, ending up as either a one-size-misfits-all design-by-committee mess or something that vendors ignore because it conflicts with their existing in-house design that they've had deployed for years. So is it something that needs a proper standards-track RFC: Yes, definitely. Would creating one at this point be effective: In the short term probably not. In the long term it would certainly be nice to have for future implementations and future deployments. Peter. From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Jan 21 01:15:52 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA11895 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L5cKib014623; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0L5cKJR014622; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:38:20 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L5cFib014573 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from littauer@blkk.com) Received: from 146-115-115-31.c3-0.lex-ubr2.sbo-lex.ma.cable.rcn.com ([146.115.115.31] helo=[192.168.1.189]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1AjB4C-0005I2-00; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:38:16 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:38:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME From: Ben Littauer To: Peter Gutmann , , CC: Mike Lambert , Joe Miller , Elliot Stone Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200401210314.i0L3EMd11681@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am currently working as a consultant to the Massachusetts Health Data Consortium (www.mahealthdata.org) on a "new-ish" S/MIME Gateway standard effort. The Consortium is working with the Open Group to develop a product certification program for these gateways, initially so that healthcare organizations in Massachusetts can confidently buy these gateways and rely on their interoperability. Obviously the Consortium, the Open Group, the customers, and the vendors all hope that the standard will spread beyond Massachusetts and beyond healthcare. Currently most of the leading vendors are involved in this effort, and we are receiving technical input from none other than Blake Ramsdell, now of Sendmail. This effort dates back to late 2000 when the Consortium initially convened half a dozen vendors to get them to make their products interoperate in a signing-only mode. That spec was eventually cast as a profile of DomSec, and interoperability between five vendors was demonstrated at a HealthKey conference in April 2001. A subsequent pilot deployment involving the Commonwealth of MA and two healthcare organizations exposed some remaining issues with the specs, but more with the products themselves, and this led to the current effort for product certification. In this round of specification development, signing is back in, but we've abandoned DomSec and are casting things as a profile of S/MIME 3.1. All of the vendors involved were comfortable with this decision. We are happy to have more people become involved with this program, as we feel that S/MIME gateways are a very powerful paradigm for B2B e-mail security, and that as more industries become aware of the technology, especially in the new regulatory environment (HIPAA, GLBA), it will find widespread adoption. We have been aware of the SEEMail effort in NZ, and, in fact, would welcome their involvement. If anyone wants to learn more about the product certification program, the point of contact at Open Group is Mike Lambert (m.lambert@opengroup.org). You should also feel free to contact me. If any of you are interested, the Open Group's Messaging Forum is holding two sessions on e-mail security at their quarterly conference. The first session is on secure e-mail in the public sector, which will primarily deal with the new PKI requirements in the US DoD. The second session will focus on e-mail security for healthcare. The conference is in San Diego, CA, Feb 2-6. Learn more at www.opengroup.org. -ben- Ben Littauer 1 Moon Hill Road Lexington, MA 02421 781-862-8784 mobile: 781-223-0890 fax: 810-963-6163 littauer@blkk.com http://www.blkk.com > From: pgut001@cs.aucKland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:14:22 +1300 > To: Craig.McGregor@treasury.govt.nz, ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: Re: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME > > > "Craig McGregor" writes: > >> Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other >> 'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? I think there >> was something similar used for Health care in parts of the US? > > There are a number of independent reinventions of DOMSEC (or DOMSEC-type > mechanisms) by S/MIME gateway vendors around (is there any vendor of such a > product who hasn't done something similar somewhere? You more or less need to > do this at some point). It's one of these things where implementors have > quietly gone out and fixed the problem (unfortunately probably in mostly > incompatible ways) while the standardisation effort was mired in politics and > pie-throwing. > > This may have created a somewhat unfortunate situation where vendors already > have their own solutions and aren't too interested in a push for a single > standard approach, and even if someone were to push for a standards-track > design, everyone would feel the need to push their own products' approach as > the One True Solution (currently it's relatively clean and simple because it > was done by one or two people with a single design in mind). It could get > really messy, ending up as either a one-size-misfits-all design-by-committee > mess or something that vendors ignore because it conflicts with their existing > in-house design that they've had deployed for years. > > So is it something that needs a proper standards-track RFC: Yes, definitely. > > Would creating one at this point be effective: In the short term probably not. > In the long term it would certainly be nice to have for future > implementations and future deployments. > > Peter. > From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Jan 21 10:54:22 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27103 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0LFQEib017026; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:26:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0LFQEgJ017025; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:26:14 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id i0LFQDib017018 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:26:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 30893 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 2004 15:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (138.88.44.119) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 15:25:53 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040121102358.03c1b4c8@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:26:09 -0500 To: "Craig McGregor" , From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME In-Reply-To: <14270A31340CCF46A050FEC25B8F50A006412FA9@juliet.hamlet.tre asury.govt.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: If there is sufficient experience from deployments such as yours, then I would not be opposed to expending the charter of the S/MIME WG to progress the DOMSEC document from Experimental to the Standards Track. Of course, people with the lessons learned from such deployments must be willing to participate in the discussions. Russ At 03:33 PM 1/21/2004 +1300, Craig McGregor wrote: >Greetings all, > >I recall that the SMIME WG charter once said something similar to >"Submit domain security services as Proposed Standard", and has since >changed to "Submit domain security services as Experimental RFC". During >a browse of the archives I could not find any discussion as to the >merits or otherwise on pursuing Experimental vs Proposed for this >document. There was a message titled "Last Call: Domain Security >Services using S/MIME to Proposed Standard" on 12 June 2001, but nothing >since. > >I am particularly interested in the progress of this RFC because in New >Zealand we're using a system remarkably similar to Domain Security >Services for securing e-mail between our Public Service Agencies over >the internet. This began in late 2000 and is now transparently securing >messages sent between around 30,000 Public service employees in 41 >government agencies using 78 e-mail domains. For somewhere the size of >New Zealand this is a relatively large user base for a system. > >We view our "S.E.E. Mail" system as an interoperaility standard for >interfacing between government agencies, and as such rely on the use of >open standards where possible to ensure product variety. In the past we >have found that 'Product Managers' of e-mail gateway software are >relatively uninterested in supporting 'Experimental' standards as they >are usually limited in deployment and are subject to change or to >disappear and never been seen before. > >Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other >'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? I think >there was something similar used for Health care in parts of the US? > > >Regards, >Craig McGregor http://see.govt.nz/mail From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Jan 21 17:32:59 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15465 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0LMEsib037061; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:14:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0LMEsrZ037060; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from helium.liverton.net.nz (helium.liverton.net.nz [210.48.106.97]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0LMEqib037041 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:14:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james.scott@liverton.com) Received: from mail.liverton.net.nz (Not Verified[192.168.1.1]) by helium.liverton.net.nz with NetIQ MailMarshal (v5.5.4.17) id ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:22:38 +1300 Received: from Spooler by mail.liverton.net.nz (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO00044B; 22 Jan 2004 11:13:58 +1300 Received: from spooler by mail.liverton.net.nz (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 22 Jan 2004 11:13:53 +1300 Received: from live008 (192.168.1.103) by Liverton Mail Server (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MG00044A; 22 Jan 2004 11:13:43 +1300 From: "James Scott" To: Subject: RE: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:13:43 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040121102358.03c1b4c8@mail.binhost.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As someone who has been actively involved in deployment of SEEMail into New Zealand government agencies for the last three years, I am very willing to contribute to such discussions. I would be very keen to see progress on the development of a standard for this functionality. regards, James Scott > -----Original Message----- > Russ Housley wrote: > > > If there is sufficient experience from deployments such as yours, then I > would not be opposed to expending the charter of the S/MIME WG to > progress > the DOMSEC document from Experimental to the Standards Track. Of course, > people with the lessons learned from such deployments must be willing to > participate in the discussions. > > Russ > > At 03:33 PM 1/21/2004 +1300, Craig McGregor wrote: > > >Greetings all, > > > >I recall that the SMIME WG charter once said something similar to > >"Submit domain security services as Proposed Standard", and has since > >changed to "Submit domain security services as Experimental RFC". During > >a browse of the archives I could not find any discussion as to the > >merits or otherwise on pursuing Experimental vs Proposed for this > >document. There was a message titled "Last Call: Domain Security > >Services using S/MIME to Proposed Standard" on 12 June 2001, but nothing > >since. > > > >I am particularly interested in the progress of this RFC because in New > >Zealand we're using a system remarkably similar to Domain Security > >Services for securing e-mail between our Public Service Agencies over > >the internet. This began in late 2000 and is now transparently securing > >messages sent between around 30,000 Public service employees in 41 > >government agencies using 78 e-mail domains. For somewhere the size of > >New Zealand this is a relatively large user base for a system. > > > >We view our "S.E.E. Mail" system as an interoperaility standard for > >interfacing between government agencies, and as such rely on the use of > >open standards where possible to ensure product variety. In the past we > >have found that 'Product Managers' of e-mail gateway software are > >relatively uninterested in supporting 'Experimental' standards as they > >are usually limited in deployment and are subject to change or to > >disappear and never been seen before. > > > >Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other > >'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? 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There seems to be more discussion these days about replacing SMTP and/or RFC 2822 and/or POP/IMAP for a variety of reasons. The discussion seems to pop up on a few different lists and in a few different hallways, and it might be good to have a single list where folks can congregate. Thus, I have set up a mail-ng mailing list. The first task probably is to determine what the next generation of mail should do, and how that is different than what SMTP/2822/POP-or-IMAP or instant messaging does. It is safe to say that we can ignore actual protocol proposals for many months (if not years) until we figure out what is needed. Once we do that, there are plenty of protocol people who can attack the decided-on requirements. There is no expectation that there will be significant agreement on the list. It is likely that over time the discussion will split into camps of like-minded design goals. The list might then spawn different lists for the folks of the different camps (mail-ng-shoe, mail-ng-sandal, ...). The list is explicitly not yet meant to be an IETF working group yet (if at all), and is probably more akin to the IRTF. But at the beginning, it will most likely be talking, not research. See for information on how to subscribe. The list is taking subscriptions now, and will probably go live for discussions within a week. Having some discussion on a mailing list now should make the dinners and bar gatherings at Seoul more interesting. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0LMEsib037061; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:14:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0LMEsrZ037060; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:14:54 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from helium.liverton.net.nz (helium.liverton.net.nz [210.48.106.97]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0LMEqib037041 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:14:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james.scott@liverton.com) Received: from mail.liverton.net.nz (Not Verified[192.168.1.1]) by helium.liverton.net.nz with NetIQ MailMarshal (v5.5.4.17) id ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:22:38 +1300 Received: from Spooler by mail.liverton.net.nz (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO00044B; 22 Jan 2004 11:13:58 +1300 Received: from spooler by mail.liverton.net.nz (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 22 Jan 2004 11:13:53 +1300 Received: from live008 (192.168.1.103) by Liverton Mail Server (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MG00044A; 22 Jan 2004 11:13:43 +1300 From: "James Scott" To: Subject: RE: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:13:43 +1300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040121102358.03c1b4c8@mail.binhost.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: As someone who has been actively involved in deployment of SEEMail into New Zealand government agencies for the last three years, I am very willing to contribute to such discussions. I would be very keen to see progress on the development of a standard for this functionality. regards, James Scott > -----Original Message----- > Russ Housley wrote: > > > If there is sufficient experience from deployments such as yours, then I > would not be opposed to expending the charter of the S/MIME WG to > progress > the DOMSEC document from Experimental to the Standards Track. Of course, > people with the lessons learned from such deployments must be willing to > participate in the discussions. > > Russ > > At 03:33 PM 1/21/2004 +1300, Craig McGregor wrote: > > >Greetings all, > > > >I recall that the SMIME WG charter once said something similar to > >"Submit domain security services as Proposed Standard", and has since > >changed to "Submit domain security services as Experimental RFC". During > >a browse of the archives I could not find any discussion as to the > >merits or otherwise on pursuing Experimental vs Proposed for this > >document. There was a message titled "Last Call: Domain Security > >Services using S/MIME to Proposed Standard" on 12 June 2001, but nothing > >since. > > > >I am particularly interested in the progress of this RFC because in New > >Zealand we're using a system remarkably similar to Domain Security > >Services for securing e-mail between our Public Service Agencies over > >the internet. This began in late 2000 and is now transparently securing > >messages sent between around 30,000 Public service employees in 41 > >government agencies using 78 e-mail domains. For somewhere the size of > >New Zealand this is a relatively large user base for a system. > > > >We view our "S.E.E. Mail" system as an interoperaility standard for > >interfacing between government agencies, and as such rely on the use of > >open standards where possible to ensure product variety. In the past we > >have found that 'Product Managers' of e-mail gateway software are > >relatively uninterested in supporting 'Experimental' standards as they > >are usually limited in deployment and are subject to change or to > >disappear and never been seen before. > > > >Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other > >'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? I think > >there was something similar used for Health care in parts of the US? > > > > > >Regards, > >Craig McGregor http://see.govt.nz/mail > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0LFQEib017026; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:26:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0LFQEgJ017025; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:26:14 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id i0LFQDib017018 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:26:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 30893 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jan 2004 15:25:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (138.88.44.119) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2004 15:25:53 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040121102358.03c1b4c8@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:26:09 -0500 To: "Craig McGregor" , From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME In-Reply-To: <14270A31340CCF46A050FEC25B8F50A006412FA9@juliet.hamlet.tre asury.govt.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: If there is sufficient experience from deployments such as yours, then I would not be opposed to expending the charter of the S/MIME WG to progress the DOMSEC document from Experimental to the Standards Track. Of course, people with the lessons learned from such deployments must be willing to participate in the discussions. Russ At 03:33 PM 1/21/2004 +1300, Craig McGregor wrote: >Greetings all, > >I recall that the SMIME WG charter once said something similar to >"Submit domain security services as Proposed Standard", and has since >changed to "Submit domain security services as Experimental RFC". During >a browse of the archives I could not find any discussion as to the >merits or otherwise on pursuing Experimental vs Proposed for this >document. There was a message titled "Last Call: Domain Security >Services using S/MIME to Proposed Standard" on 12 June 2001, but nothing >since. > >I am particularly interested in the progress of this RFC because in New >Zealand we're using a system remarkably similar to Domain Security >Services for securing e-mail between our Public Service Agencies over >the internet. This began in late 2000 and is now transparently securing >messages sent between around 30,000 Public service employees in 41 >government agencies using 78 e-mail domains. For somewhere the size of >New Zealand this is a relatively large user base for a system. > >We view our "S.E.E. Mail" system as an interoperaility standard for >interfacing between government agencies, and as such rely on the use of >open standards where possible to ensure product variety. In the past we >have found that 'Product Managers' of e-mail gateway software are >relatively uninterested in supporting 'Experimental' standards as they >are usually limited in deployment and are subject to change or to >disappear and never been seen before. > >Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other >'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? I think >there was something similar used for Health care in parts of the US? > > >Regards, >Craig McGregor http://see.govt.nz/mail Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L5cKib014623; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0L5cKJR014622; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:38:20 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L5cFib014573 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from littauer@blkk.com) Received: from 146-115-115-31.c3-0.lex-ubr2.sbo-lex.ma.cable.rcn.com ([146.115.115.31] helo=[192.168.1.189]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1AjB4C-0005I2-00; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:38:16 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:38:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME From: Ben Littauer To: Peter Gutmann , , CC: Mike Lambert , Joe Miller , Elliot Stone Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200401210314.i0L3EMd11681@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I am currently working as a consultant to the Massachusetts Health Data Consortium (www.mahealthdata.org) on a "new-ish" S/MIME Gateway standard effort. The Consortium is working with the Open Group to develop a product certification program for these gateways, initially so that healthcare organizations in Massachusetts can confidently buy these gateways and rely on their interoperability. Obviously the Consortium, the Open Group, the customers, and the vendors all hope that the standard will spread beyond Massachusetts and beyond healthcare. Currently most of the leading vendors are involved in this effort, and we are receiving technical input from none other than Blake Ramsdell, now of Sendmail. This effort dates back to late 2000 when the Consortium initially convened half a dozen vendors to get them to make their products interoperate in a signing-only mode. That spec was eventually cast as a profile of DomSec, and interoperability between five vendors was demonstrated at a HealthKey conference in April 2001. A subsequent pilot deployment involving the Commonwealth of MA and two healthcare organizations exposed some remaining issues with the specs, but more with the products themselves, and this led to the current effort for product certification. In this round of specification development, signing is back in, but we've abandoned DomSec and are casting things as a profile of S/MIME 3.1. All of the vendors involved were comfortable with this decision. We are happy to have more people become involved with this program, as we feel that S/MIME gateways are a very powerful paradigm for B2B e-mail security, and that as more industries become aware of the technology, especially in the new regulatory environment (HIPAA, GLBA), it will find widespread adoption. We have been aware of the SEEMail effort in NZ, and, in fact, would welcome their involvement. If anyone wants to learn more about the product certification program, the point of contact at Open Group is Mike Lambert (m.lambert@opengroup.org). You should also feel free to contact me. If any of you are interested, the Open Group's Messaging Forum is holding two sessions on e-mail security at their quarterly conference. The first session is on secure e-mail in the public sector, which will primarily deal with the new PKI requirements in the US DoD. The second session will focus on e-mail security for healthcare. The conference is in San Diego, CA, Feb 2-6. Learn more at www.opengroup.org. -ben- Ben Littauer 1 Moon Hill Road Lexington, MA 02421 781-862-8784 mobile: 781-223-0890 fax: 810-963-6163 littauer@blkk.com http://www.blkk.com > From: pgut001@cs.aucKland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:14:22 +1300 > To: Craig.McGregor@treasury.govt.nz, ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: Re: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME > > > "Craig McGregor" writes: > >> Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other >> 'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? I think there >> was something similar used for Health care in parts of the US? > > There are a number of independent reinventions of DOMSEC (or DOMSEC-type > mechanisms) by S/MIME gateway vendors around (is there any vendor of such a > product who hasn't done something similar somewhere? You more or less need to > do this at some point). It's one of these things where implementors have > quietly gone out and fixed the problem (unfortunately probably in mostly > incompatible ways) while the standardisation effort was mired in politics and > pie-throwing. > > This may have created a somewhat unfortunate situation where vendors already > have their own solutions and aren't too interested in a push for a single > standard approach, and even if someone were to push for a standards-track > design, everyone would feel the need to push their own products' approach as > the One True Solution (currently it's relatively clean and simple because it > was done by one or two people with a single design in mind). It could get > really messy, ending up as either a one-size-misfits-all design-by-committee > mess or something that vendors ignore because it conflicts with their existing > in-house design that they've had deployed for years. > > So is it something that needs a proper standards-track RFC: Yes, definitely. > > Would creating one at this point be effective: In the short term probably not. > In the long term it would certainly be nice to have for future > implementations and future deployments. > > Peter. > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L3EVib007779; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:14:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0L3EUJ8007778; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:14:30 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.151]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L3ERib007770 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:14:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from cs.auckland.ac.nz (medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.33]) by smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1859534134; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:14:00 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from pgut001@localhost) by cs.auckland.ac.nz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i0L3EMd11681; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:14:22 +1300 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:14:22 +1300 Message-Id: <200401210314.i0L3EMd11681@cs.auckland.ac.nz> From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: Craig.McGregor@treasury.govt.nz, ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: "Craig McGregor" writes: >Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other >'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? I think there >was something similar used for Health care in parts of the US? There are a number of independent reinventions of DOMSEC (or DOMSEC-type mechanisms) by S/MIME gateway vendors around (is there any vendor of such a product who hasn't done something similar somewhere? You more or less need to do this at some point). It's one of these things where implementors have quietly gone out and fixed the problem (unfortunately probably in mostly incompatible ways) while the standardisation effort was mired in politics and pie-throwing. This may have created a somewhat unfortunate situation where vendors already have their own solutions and aren't too interested in a push for a single standard approach, and even if someone were to push for a standards-track design, everyone would feel the need to push their own products' approach as the One True Solution (currently it's relatively clean and simple because it was done by one or two people with a single design in mind). It could get really messy, ending up as either a one-size-misfits-all design-by-committee mess or something that vendors ignore because it conflicts with their existing in-house design that they've had deployed for years. So is it something that needs a proper standards-track RFC: Yes, definitely. Would creating one at this point be effective: In the short term probably not. In the long term it would certainly be nice to have for future implementations and future deployments. Peter. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L2Wdib005001; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0L2Wd2O005000; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz ([202.36.173.38]) by above.proper.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0L2Wbib004987 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Craig.McGregor@treasury.govt.nz) Received: from juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz (Not Verified[172.20.2.43]) by fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz with Non-Descript e-mail server id ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:32:34 +1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:33:45 +1300 Message-ID: <14270A31340CCF46A050FEC25B8F50A006412FA9@juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME Thread-Index: AcPfxv3r2C6Zuj38RhayMVhQXBPITg== From: "Craig McGregor" To: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i0L2Wdib004994 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Greetings all, I recall that the SMIME WG charter once said something similar to "Submit domain security services as Proposed Standard", and has since changed to "Submit domain security services as Experimental RFC". During a browse of the archives I could not find any discussion as to the merits or otherwise on pursuing Experimental vs Proposed for this document. There was a message titled "Last Call: Domain Security Services using S/MIME to Proposed Standard" on 12 June 2001, but nothing since. I am particularly interested in the progress of this RFC because in New Zealand we're using a system remarkably similar to Domain Security Services for securing e-mail between our Public Service Agencies over the internet. This began in late 2000 and is now transparently securing messages sent between around 30,000 Public service employees in 41 government agencies using 78 e-mail domains. For somewhere the size of New Zealand this is a relatively large user base for a system. We view our "S.E.E. Mail" system as an interoperaility standard for interfacing between government agencies, and as such rely on the use of open standards where possible to ensure product variety. In the past we have found that 'Product Managers' of e-mail gateway software are relatively uninterested in supporting 'Experimental' standards as they are usually limited in deployment and are subject to change or to disappear and never been seen before. Is anyone aware of any similar implementations of DOMSEC in other 'communities' that have similar paranoia/security requirements? I think there was something similar used for Health care in parts of the US? 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Message-Id: <200401071953.i07JrtN13879@gamma.isi.edu> To: IETF-Announce: ; Subject: RFC 3657 on Use of the Camellia Encryption Algorithm in Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ietf-smime@imc.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=NextPart Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:53:55 -0800 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. 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