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From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Apr 5 16:01:25 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03050 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i35JZrFn002717; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i35JZrl8002716; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford-x.mitre.org [192.160.51.76]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i35JZpEx002704 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tmiller@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i35JZtl17440 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:35:56 -0400 Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i35JZtc17426 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:35:55 -0400 Received: from unity-18-77.mitre.org (129.83.18.77) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 2239758; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:35:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4071B517.9040006@mitre.org> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:35:51 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Certificate renewal and enveloped-data. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've skimmed the last year or so of the archive, but without a dedicated search function it's kind of hard to tell what's been previously discussed. I was wondering if the issue of renewing certificates (i.e., same key material, different validity & serial, possibly different DN) has arisen before the WG and if anyone could point me to the relevant threads (or perhaps would be willing to discuss the subject on- or off-list). I have an operational need to renew (extend the lifetime) rather than reissue certificates, but the messages my mailers create use issuerAndSerialNumber as the RecipientInfo pointer. This means that after the removal of the old certificate the enveloped messages cannot be decrypted by the mail agent. It seems to me that if the RecipientInfo were set to subjectKeyIdentifier, old messages could still be decrypted with renewed certificates (assuming that SKI is set to the key's hash as recommended), even after the old certificate is removed. Unfortunately, all the S/MIME mailers I have access to all use issuerAndSerialNumber. I've messed around trying to construct an envelop using SKI to test without success; this could be either a failure on my part or lack of support in the mail agent-- I can't tell which. Thanks in advance. -- -- Timothy J. Miller ( The MITRE Corporation ) From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 6 05:30:12 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA26597 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 05:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3697p3C030859; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3697piv030858; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3697px6030831 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:46 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: Cc: "'Sean P. Turner'" , "Housley, Russ" Subject: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-02.txt Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) Author(s) : R. 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So, please read and comment! -- Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 6 13:44:57 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA10725 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36HEE23065206; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i36HEEo5065205; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36HEBcR065198 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinaras@cnri.reston.va.us) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07504; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404061714.NAA07504@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:14:13 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 6 16:15:09 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25085 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36JkwGn076490; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i36JkweD076489; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36JkvAI076480 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:56 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: Cc: "'Sean P. Turner'" , , , , Subject: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : Use of the SEED Encryption Algorithm in CMS Author(s) : J. Park, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2004-4-5 A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Proposed Standard. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on Tuesday, April 20, 2004. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. 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So, please read and comment! -- Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com From subs-reminder@imc.org Tue Apr 6 23:28:57 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA29965 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:28:56 -0400 (EDT) From: subs-reminder@imc.org Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i373SpP8056837 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from subs-reminder@imc.org) Received: (from root@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i373Sp3n056836; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404070328.i373Sp3n056836@above.proper.com> To: smime-archive@ietf.org Subject: [[992543563]] Subscription to ietf-smime for smime-archive@lists.ietf.org Greetings. 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If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. --Paul Hoffman, list administrator From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 7 10:33:09 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA29284 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37E7VrT096257; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i37E7ViQ096256; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.151]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37E7UWI096248 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from medusa01 (medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCA734045; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 02:05:00 +1200 (NZST) Received: from pgut001 by medusa01 with local (Exim 4.30) id 1BBDhl-0007yP-GO; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:07:01 +1200 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: ietf-smime@imc.org, tmiller@mitre.org Subject: Re: Certificate renewal and enveloped-data. In-Reply-To: <4071B517.9040006@mitre.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:07:01 +1200 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: "Timothy J. Miller" writes: >I have an operational need to renew (extend the lifetime) rather than reissue >certificates, but the messages my mailers create use issuerAndSerialNumber as >the RecipientInfo pointer. This means that after the removal of the old >certificate the enveloped messages cannot be decrypted by the mail agent. Can't you just have two issuerAndSerialNumber index entries pointing to the same private key? I must admit it's not something that's come up before (I strongly encourage users to generate new keys and not re-certify the same old key year in, year out, which probably helps), but if you needed to do it you could just retain the old iAndS index entry for the private key. (Do you specifically need an MTA that does this, or will an S/MIME toolkit do? :-). >Unfortunately, all the S/MIME mailers I have access to all use >issuerAndSerialNumber. I've messed around trying to construct an envelop >using SKI to test without success; this could be either a failure on my part >or lack of support in the mail agent-- I can't tell which. I don't think this will help, when you delete the old cert the sKID goes with it, so when you lose the iAndS you also lose the sKID. Peter. From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 7 11:04:00 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00332 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37EeirZ098835; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:40:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i37EeiHX098834; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:40:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-mclean.mitre.org (smtp-mclean-x.mitre.org [192.80.55.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37EehFd098828 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:40:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tmiller@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-mclean.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-mclean.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i37Eek811744 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:40:46 -0400 Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtp-mclean.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i37EeiJ11717; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:40:45 -0400 Received: from unity-15-50.mitre.org (129.83.15.50) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 2268271; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:40:37 -0400 Message-ID: <407412E4.9030901@mitre.org> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:40:36 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Gutmann CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Certificate renewal and enveloped-data. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Gutmann wrote: > Can't you just have two issuerAndSerialNumber index entries pointing to the > same private key? I must admit it's not something that's come up before (I > strongly encourage users to generate new keys and not re-certify the same old > key year in, year out, which probably helps), but if you needed to do it you > could just retain the old iAndS index entry for the private key. Unfortunately, the PKI users require new certificates because of changing email addresses before the certificates expire. What I'm really after here is to avoid going through the whole key recovery mess simply so users can read old enveloped email. Currently, the PKI in use adds the rfc822Name to the subjectAltName extension in the S/MIME encryption certificates being created. Changing that is a long process already underway-- the eventual goal is to use S/MIME signing certs tied to email addresses, and S/MIME encryption certs that are not, but it could be a couple of years before that's ready. I work for a rather large organization with a rather large PKI. ;) We're also using a smartcard token to hold the certs & keys, and there's no room to retain the old certs. More capacious tokens are coming, but that will be a long process in and of itself. > (Do you specifically need an MTA that does this, or will an S/MIME > toolkit do? > :-). It would be nice if it all worked with Outlook, but that may be too much to ask (see below). > I don't think this will help, when you delete the old cert the sKID goes with > it, so when you lose the iAndS you also lose the sKID. But in the new cert the sKID should be the same as the old one, since they key material hasn't changed. So when I'm opening an enveloped message, I pull the sKID from RecipientInfo, search the cert store for that sKID, then find the private key that matches the modulus from that cert. Or am I just wrong? Why? I can say that retaining the old certificate probably won't work on Windows anyway; it appears that Windows associates key pairs via a specific pointer rather than by shared modulus, *and* it enforces a one-to-one mapping of certs and private key containers. But we're taking that as a separate issue. -- -- Timothy J. Miller ( The MITRE Corporation ) From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 7 11:42:33 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04145 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37FLCnc002714; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i37FLCZe002713; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.151]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37FLB3c002686 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from medusa01 (medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772DE34013; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 03:19:16 +1200 (NZST) Received: from pgut001 by medusa01 with local (Exim 4.30) id 1BBErd-00083F-UJ; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 03:21:17 +1200 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz, tmiller@mitre.org Subject: Re: Certificate renewal and enveloped-data. Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org In-Reply-To: <407412E4.9030901@mitre.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 03:21:17 +1200 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: "Timothy J. Miller" writes: >We're also using a smartcard token to hold the certs & keys, and there's no >room to retain the old certs. More capacious tokens are coming, but that >will be a long process in and of itself. If the card uses PKCS #15 then it'd be a pretty minor change (that's what my code uses, and what I was thinking of in my previous message when I mentioned retaining an index entry for the old iAndS). Each PKCS #15 object has a number of search keys you can use to locate it, in your case all you'd need to do is retain the previous iAndS associated with the private key when you re- issue the cert. That's the theory, in practice you'd need a considerable amount of vendor cooperation to make this happen. >>I don't think this will help, when you delete the old cert the sKID goes >>with it, so when you lose the iAndS you also lose the sKID. > >But in the new cert the sKID should be the same as the old one, since they >key material hasn't changed. Only if the CA generates the sKID in a repeatable, deterministic way from the the public key. You can't rely on this (unless you control the CA), in general it's just another search key for the cert, and may be completely unrelated to the public key. >I can say that retaining the old certificate probably won't work on Windows >anyway; it appears that Windows associates key pairs via a specific pointer >rather than by shared modulus, *and* it enforces a one-to-one mapping of >certs and private key containers. AFAIK it uses a unique ID to connect the two. The PKCS #11 model follows this pattern as well, although it doesn't require a 1:1 mapping - you can have lots of things tied by a common ID if you want, although I suspect some apps would handle this rather poorly. Peter. 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From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 13 04:04:30 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA27399 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3D7TAKp079076; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3D7TAjt079075; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:29:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail1.ics.ntts.co.jp (mail1.ics.ntts.co.jp [202.32.24.45]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3D7T9u6079015 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akato@po.ntts.co.jp) Received: from mail26.silk.ntts.co.jp by mail1.ics.ntts.co.jp (8.12.10/3.7W-NTTSOFT-SUR2.0) id i3D7T0El015130; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:29:00 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akato@po.ntts.co.jp) Received: from helene.ms.ntts.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail26.silk.ntts.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.10/mail26-5.3) with ESMTP id i3D7SxmP009089; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:28:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (green [10.8.3.17]) by helene.ms.ntts.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6339B1FFD54; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:28:59 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:28:59 +0900 From: KATO Akihiro To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Cc: akato@po.ntts.co.jp, , , , In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20040413161318.6E7D.AKATO@po.ntts.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.06.02 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Park I have four comments. 1. Section 3. Although array is defined as using [], there are parts described without using []. 2. Section 3. Definition of R. The expression R[t][i] is better. 3. Section 3.2 "SEED Key Wrap" step 3), t is not well defined(t will surely be s). 4. "0500" should be added to the last of the SMIMECapabilities. -- - KATO Akihiro From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 13 11:41:34 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA17983 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3DEwbf7047537; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3DEwbWv047536; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from center.kisa.or.kr ([211.252.150.11]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3DEwZsO047525 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khopri@kisa.or.kr) Received: from khoprivaio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by center.kisa.or.kr (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i3DEoam29320; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:50:36 +0900 (KST) Message-Id: <200404131450.i3DEoam29320@center.kisa.or.kr> From: "Jongwook Park" To: "'KATO Akihiro'" Cc: , , , Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:58:07 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040413161318.6E7D.AKATO@po.ntts.co.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQhJ/+q/b8JaFPvRTi9dhpedXLigQAN/Kig Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Akihiro, Thanks for your feedback. Fully agree. I see no problem with your views on this draft. 1. Mistyped notation, Pi and Ci, through in Section 3 is fixed. (e.g.: P1->P[1], C1->C[1]) 2. Fixed 3. A[t] and R[t][i] containing the index 't' were replaced by A[s] and R[s][i] separately. 4. 05 00 representing the value NULL is appended. Best regards, Park. -----Original Message----- From: KATO Akihiro [mailto:akato@po.ntts.co.jp] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:29 PM To: ietf-smime@imc.org Cc: akato@po.ntts.co.jp; khopri@kisa.or.kr; sjlee@kisa.or.kr; jykim@kisa.or.kr; jilee@kisa.or.kr Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Park I have four comments. 1. Section 3. Although array is defined as using [], there are parts described without using []. 2. Section 3. Definition of R. The expression R[t][i] is better. 3. Section 3.2 "SEED Key Wrap" step 3), t is not well defined(t will surely be s). 4. 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Turner'" <turners@ieca.com>, <ietf-smime@imc.org> Subject: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09 ready for Standards Track Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:09:12 -0700 Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAARMPfbnbp50SwK3EZjypY2MKAAAAQAAAAzO0PQOLha0yJRR+65fXkbgEAAAAA@brutesquadlabs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-smime.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-smime-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Security Area Directors, The S/MIME working group has completed its review of the "S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification" draft, draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09, and believe it is ready to be published as a Standards Track RFC. Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Apr 21 16:08:57 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11486 for <smime-archive@lists.ietf.org>; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3LJcp7v003597; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3LJcpd6003596; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3LJcoNq003589 for <ietf-smime@imc.org>; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbunch@cnri.reston.va.us) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA10154; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404211938.PAA10154@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:38:22 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-smime.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-smime-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Use of the SEED Encryption Algorithm in CMS Author(s) : J. Park, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2004-4-21 This document specifies the conventions for using the SEED encryption algorithm for encryption with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. 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I suspect so. Please coordinate a response and send it to iesg@ietf.org before Last Call expires. Russ >From: "Peter Hesse" <pmhesse@geminisecurity.com> >To: <iesg@ietf.org>, <ietf@ietf.org> >Cc: "'Blake Ramsdell'" <blake@brutesquadlabs.com> >Subject: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to >Proposed Standard >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:34:50 -0400 > >I am sorry for not catching this hadn't been handled earlier, but I would >like to reiterate a request I made in November 2003 for this document. The >archived message can be found here: >http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/msg01800.html or, you can just >read below > >-------- >I have recently run into a problem with signed emails not being able to be >verified, because of the presence of the word "From" in the first columns of >a line of the email message. This email will serve as an example of this >potential problem. If your email client sees this message as signed but the >signature is invalid, the next paragraph should start with the word >"From"--see if it has been modified. > > >From appearing as the first characters after a blank line will result in >some email delivery agents (such as sendmail or exim) escaping the >word--"From" is replaced with ">From". The reason for this behavior has to >do with the UNIX mbox mail storage file format. The mbox format stores >multiple messages in one file, and the messages are separated by the word >"From" as the first characters following a blank line. Some mail delivery >agents do not have this problem (i.e. Exchange), because they do not store >messages in the mbox format. Many do, however, resulting in a modification >of the message and the signature being invalidated. > >I would like to request that this issue be more directly dealt with in >son-of-RFC2633. (Currently, it is mentioned in the example MIME-encoded >message, but nowhere in the text.) One recommendation might be to borrow >from RFC2015 (MIME Security with PGP), which states: > Though not required, it is generally a good idea to use Quoted- > Printable encoding in the first step (writing out the data to be > signed in MIME canonical format) if any of the lines in the data > begin with "From ", and encode the "F". This will avoid an MTA > inserting a ">" in front of the line, thus invalidating the > signature! > >Perhaps this might even be a SHOULD, although I will ask the group to weigh >in on that. >-------- > >Thanks, > >--Peter Hesse From uizzsfgxub@yahoo.com Thu Apr 22 13:19:30 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11614 for <smime-archive@ietf.org>; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGhrE-0006Y2-PB for smime-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:19:28 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGhpP-0005eZ-00 for smime-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:17:36 -0400 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGhnk-000583-00 for smime-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:15:52 -0400 Received: from pasteur-5-82-226-102-104.fbx.proxad.net ([82.226.102.104]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BGhaw-0007mF-AE for smime-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:02:39 -0400 Received: from 13.76.196.240 by 82.226.102.104; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:53:35 -0700 Message-ID: <BGSIDLIXQSLVMMEHZQKLMBKT@yahoo.com> From: "Jeanie Valencia" <uizzsfgxub@yahoo.com> Reply-To: "Jeanie Valencia" <uizzsfgxub@yahoo.com> To: smime-archive@ietf.org Subject: no more lying in applications - buy a degree from an accredited university here Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:02:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--6027190014268829" X-Originating-IP: 65.246.255.50 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=6.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_COMMENT_RATIO,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING,MIME_HTML_ONLY, MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI,OBFUSCATING_COMMENT autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Report: * 0.5 HTML_40_50 BODY: Message is 40% to 50% HTML * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message * 0.1 HTML_FONT_BIG BODY: HTML has a big font * 0.1 HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE BODY: HTML font color not in safe 6x6x6 palette * 0.1 HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY BODY: HTML has "tbody" tag * 0.0 LINES_OF_YELLING BODY: A WHOLE LINE OF YELLING DETECTED * 0.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts * 0.5 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers * 0.0 HTML_COMMENT_RATIO HTML comments are large percentage of message * 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI Multipart message only has text/html MIME parts * 4.3 OBFUSCATING_COMMENT HTML comments which obfuscate text ----6027190014268829 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>GET

 

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I > suspect so. Please > coordinate a response and send it to iesg@ietf.org before > Last Call expires. I may be missing the exact details here, so people can jump in where I'm misguided. Basically this is a multipart/signed message where a signature was applied, and an entity that performed intermediate processing deliberately violated section 2.1 of RFC1847 which states: The entire contents of the multipart/signed container must be treated as opaque while it is in transit from an originator to a recipient. Intermediate message transfer agents must not alter the content of a multipart/signed in any way, including, but not limited to, changing the content transfer encoding of the body part or any of its encapsulated body parts. So is this "From mangling" problem prevalent enough to warrant special treatment in the S/MIME spec is the question here, since it's already been stated that you shouldn't do it. Based on the lack of discussion and consensus when this issue was first brought up, we need to understand the community feel better. That is, is this particular mangling more prevalent than the other issues that aren't currently discussed in the spec (are there whitespace issues we need to think about, for instance)? Blake From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Apr 22 22:48:20 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA22183 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N2LsBD036797; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:21:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3N2LsU9036796; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:21:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from [63.202.92.152] (adsl-63-202-92-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.92.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N2Lp61036788; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phoffman@imc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:21:55 -0700 To: "Blake Ramsdell" , "'Russ Housley'" , From: Paul Hoffman / IMC Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 6:07 PM -0700 4/22/04, Blake Ramsdell wrote: >Basically this is a multipart/signed message where a signature was >applied, and an entity that performed intermediate processing >deliberately violated section 2.1 of RFC1847 which states: > > >The entire contents of the multipart/signed container must be treated >as opaque while it is in transit from an originator to a recipient. >Intermediate message transfer agents must not alter the content of a >multipart/signed in any way, including, but not limited to, changing >the content transfer encoding of the body part or any of its >encapsulated body parts. > Correct. The final MTA doesn't give a hoot about RFC 1847 and modifies some part of the message without even noticing the MIME, much less anything special in the MIME. >So is this "From mangling" problem prevalent enough to warrant special >treatment in the S/MIME spec is the question here, since it's already >been stated that you shouldn't do it. Based on the lack of discussion >and consensus when this issue was first brought up, we need to >understand the community feel better. That is, is this particular >mangling more prevalent than the other issues that aren't currently >discussed in the spec (are there whitespace issues we need to think >about, for instance)? This form of mangling is common, so I think it is worth a short mention in the document. However, that's just a mention, not a new MUST/SHOULD/MAY. Maybe along the lines of: Note that it is common for SMTP agents to change the body of messages, such as to add a ">" before the word "From " at the beginning of a line in a message body. If such agents ignore the rules of RFC 1847, there is nothing that an S/MIME agent can do about it. (As a side note, From-mangling could affect a multipart/encrypted message, but that is far less likely to be able to happen.) --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Apr 22 22:52:17 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA22360 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N2RApN037257; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3N2RAdv037256; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:27:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from osf1.gmu.edu (osf1.gmu.edu [129.174.1.13]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N2R9Ja037248 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmhesse@geminisecurity.com) Received: from geminiph ([129.174.244.117]) by osf1.gmu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA155542; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404230227.WAA155542@osf1.gmu.edu> From: "Peter Hesse" To: "'Blake Ramsdell'" , "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:26:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQo0MNpjMqiVjNCQVGItktHAE+QVAABheLw Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blake, Perhaps the best case for the "From mangling" problem being prevalent is found if you look at the IETF-S/MIME archive page and look at the first message I sent: http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/msg01800.html You will see the second complete paragraph begins with ">From". I sent it as "From". So, whatever mail transfer agent received this message and posted it to the archive was subject to this problem. For the most part, any MTA system which uses the classic unix mail spool will suffer from this problem. Exim and sendmail both have options to turn on "From escaping", and the common recommendation is typically to enable this option. (Details at bottom). Generally, the majority of UNIX, Solaris, BSD, and Linux based mail servers I have encountered suffer from this problem. Additionally, this problem occurs in unexpected places due to the prevalence of HTML-enabled email applications, which send both HTML and plain-text versions of email messages. Although the word "From" may not appear at the beginning of a line in the message, due to linebreaks being inserted by the mailing application when sending, it might end up there anyway. This can get munged by an MTA, and it is often very difficult to determine that this is what caused a digital signature to not be verified. (The HTML gets displayed to the reader and wasn't modified--the plaintext is what got mangled.) I think that adding the text from RFC2015 is an easy way to cover this problem. It states that handling this is "not required" but "generally a good idea". I invite you and the rest of the ietf-smime group to read about this and consider it before we finalize son-of-2633. Thanks, --Peter Hesse Links to additional information: --------------------------------- Sendmail configuration: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc8.8/op-sh-5.html#sh-5.4 E Escape lines beginning with From in the message with a `>' sign. EXIM configuration http://www.us.exim.org/exim-html-3.30/doc/html/spec_15.html#SEC443 escape_string (appendfile) Type: string Default: ">From " On FAQs.org, the Linux Network Administrators Guide (http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-mail.message-format.html), there is the quote: "If you look into a local mailbox file, you may see each mail message preceded by a "From" line (note: no colon). This is not an RFC-822 header; it has been inserted by your mail software as a convenience to programs reading the mailbox. To avoid potential trouble with lines in the message body that also begin with "From," it has become standard procedure to escape any such occurrence by preceding it with a > character." +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Peter Hesse pmhesse@geminisecurity.com | | Phone: (703)934-2031 Gemini Security Solutions, Inc. | | ICQ: 1942828 www.geminisecurity.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ "Pay no attention to what the critics say; there has never been a statue set up in honor of a critic." --Jean Sibelius -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:07 PM To: 'Russ Housley'; ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:26 AM > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: Fwd: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message > Specification' to Proposed Standard > > Does the S/MIME WG have a response to this comment? I suspect so. > Please coordinate a response and send it to iesg@ietf.org before Last > Call expires. I may be missing the exact details here, so people can jump in where I'm misguided. Basically this is a multipart/signed message where a signature was applied, and an entity that performed intermediate processing deliberately violated section 2.1 of RFC1847 which states: The entire contents of the multipart/signed container must be treated as opaque while it is in transit from an originator to a recipient. Intermediate message transfer agents must not alter the content of a multipart/signed in any way, including, but not limited to, changing the content transfer encoding of the body part or any of its encapsulated body parts. So is this "From mangling" problem prevalent enough to warrant special treatment in the S/MIME spec is the question here, since it's already been stated that you shouldn't do it. Based on the lack of discussion and consensus when this issue was first brought up, we need to understand the community feel better. That is, is this particular mangling more prevalent than the other issues that aren't currently discussed in the spec (are there whitespace issues we need to think about, for instance)? Blake From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Apr 22 23:48:28 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA25028 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N3LPvF040414; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3N3LPif040413; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N3LPgL040406 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:26 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "'Peter Hesse'" , "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200404230227.WAA155542@osf1.gmu.edu> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Hesse [mailto:pmhesse@geminisecurity.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:27 PM > To: 'Blake Ramsdell'; 'Russ Housley'; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message > Specification' to Proposed Standard > > Perhaps the best case for the "From mangling" problem being > prevalent is > found if you look at the IETF-S/MIME archive page and look at > the first > message I sent: > > http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/msg01800.html > > You will see the second complete paragraph begins with > ">From". I sent it > as "From". So, whatever mail transfer agent received this message and > posted it to the archive was subject to this problem. Well, hang on, you had a particular case involving a particular set of agents (including a) a user agent that wasn't smart enough to escape the From at the desktop, and b) an MTA that chose to introduce the escape on his side). The clients that I use happen to protect you from this (independent of their S/MIME support), so personally, I haven't seen it before. I'm not saying that I can't conceive of a case where this happens, what I'm saying is "if we add this, then are there other cases we need to consider where MTAs munge content and how clients should defend against that" as well as "is this issue important enough for us to call out specifically". In any case, the current path is a non-normative paragraph as Paul suggested, which covers MTA munging in general. Blake From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 23 00:09:45 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA25957 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N3Y1tb041069; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3N3Y1Yj041068; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N3Y1Uf041060 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:03 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "'Peter Hesse'" , "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:21 PM > To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; 'ietf-smime@imc.org' > Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message > Specification' to Proposed Standard > > In any case, the current path is a non-normative paragraph as > Paul suggested, which covers MTA munging in general. You know what? From section 3.1: A single procedure is used for creating MIME entities that are to have any combination of signing, enveloping and compressing applied. Some additional steps are recommended to defend against known corruptions that can occur during mail transport that are of particular importance for clear- signing using the multipart/signed format. It is recommended that these additional steps be performed on enveloped messages, or signed and enveloped messages in order that the message can be forwarded to any environment without modification. I think this is completely adequate and exactly covers the case we're discussing here. Blake From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 23 06:38:45 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA26730 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NAH7hC047638; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NAH7Mp047637; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NAH6pq047630 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:00 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: Subject: FW: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01 ready for Standards Track Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgot to CC the list. Sorry. Blake > -----Original Message----- > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:12 PM > To: 'Russ Housley'; 'smb@research.att.com' > Cc: 'turners@ieca.com'; 'Jongwook Park'; 'sjlee@kisa.or.kr'; > 'jykim@kisa.or.kr'; 'jilee@kisa.or.kr' > Subject: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01 ready for Standards Track > > > Security Area Directors, > > The S/MIME working group has completed its review of the "Use > of the SEED Encryption Algorithm in CMS" draft, > draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01, and believe it is ready to be > published as a Standards Track RFC. > > Blake > -- > Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com > From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 23 10:30:20 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11782 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NE7veQ062520; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NE7vHs062517; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.magma.ca (mx2.magma.ca [206.191.0.250]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NE7umi062511 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from capel@comgate.com) Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx2.magma.ca (Magma Relay Server) with ESMTP id i3NE7tr6021100; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:07:55 -0400 Received: from tony (ottawa-hs-209-217-122-183.s-ip.magma.ca [209.217.122.183]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3NE7flv032201; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:07:55 -0400 From: "Tony Capel" To: "'Blake Ramsdell'" , "'Peter Hesse'" , "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c4293c$6f079140$01b5a8c0@tony> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i3NE7vmi062512 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I agree with Blake, section 3.1 already notes this problem, and (as noted by Peter originally) the example in section 3.1.4 already explicitly notes the "From" problem (and others) as well. There are two problems with inserting a general recommendation to solve this problem by making transfer encoding a "should": 1) This is only a problem with clear-signed text (not for opaque or any encrypted); so if this were a general "should" we may be unnecessarily forcing transfer encoding (and message expanding) ALL messages. 2) I have found that clear-signing often fails with messages going from one organization to another and it has not always been clear why. A better solution in MHO is to use opaque signing. Trying to make a list of all the potential corruption cases and specifying transfer encoding for each case may be a formative task - and I am not sure we would get every case - that is, I don't think MSG is the place to be definitive about this (leaving it as an example as per 3.1.4 is fine). So I would suggest leaving MSG as is. tony | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org | [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell | Sent: April 22, 2004 11:34 PM | To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; ietf-smime@imc.org | Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message | Specification' to Proposed Standard | | | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] | > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:21 PM | > To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; 'ietf-smime@imc.org' | > Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message | > Specification' to Proposed Standard | > | > In any case, the current path is a non-normative paragraph as | > Paul suggested, which covers MTA munging in general. | | You know what? From section 3.1: | | | A single procedure is used for creating MIME entities that | are to have any combination of signing, enveloping and | compressing applied. Some additional steps are recommended to | defend against known corruptions that can occur during mail | transport that are of particular importance for clear- | signing using the multipart/signed format. It is recommended | that these additional steps be performed on enveloped | messages, or signed and enveloped messages in order that the | message can be forwarded to any environment without | modification. | | I think this is completely adequate and exactly covers the | case we're discussing here. | | Blake | From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 23 10:50:45 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12706 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NESoHr063964; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NESovL063963; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.175.83]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3NESoWk063957 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ieca.com) (turners@ieca.com@138.88.43.206 with plain) by smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2004 14:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4089280A.2070606@ieca.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:28:26 -0400 From: "Sean P. 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A better solution >in MHO is to use opaque signing. Trying to make a list of all the potential >corruption cases and specifying transfer encoding for each case may be a >formative task - and I am not sure we would get every case - that is, I don't >think MSG is the place to be definitive about this (leaving it as an example as >per 3.1.4 is fine). > >So I would suggest leaving MSG as is. > >tony > >| -----Original Message----- >| From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org >| [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell >| Sent: April 22, 2004 11:34 PM >| To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; ietf-smime@imc.org >| Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message >| Specification' to Proposed Standard >| >| >| >| > -----Original Message----- >| > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] >| > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:21 PM >| > To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; 'ietf-smime@imc.org' >| > Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message >| > Specification' to Proposed Standard >| > >| > In any case, the current path is a non-normative paragraph as >| > Paul suggested, which covers MTA munging in general. >| >| You know what? From section 3.1: >| >| >| A single procedure is used for creating MIME entities that >| are to have any combination of signing, enveloping and >| compressing applied. Some additional steps are recommended to >| defend against known corruptions that can occur during mail >| transport that are of particular importance for clear- >| signing using the multipart/signed format. It is recommended >| that these additional steps be performed on enveloped >| messages, or signed and enveloped messages in order that the >| message can be forwarded to any environment without >| modification. >| >| I think this is completely adequate and exactly covers the >| case we're discussing here. >| >| Blake >| > > > > > From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 23 11:43:39 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15480 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NF1diF066839; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NF1dbo066838; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:01:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from osf1.gmu.edu (osf1.gmu.edu [129.174.1.13]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NF1c6Y066829 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmhesse@geminisecurity.com) Received: from WJJCUSCLANGSTO1 ([129.174.244.117]) by osf1.gmu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA247632; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003901c42943$dce21c10$53c1010a@jjcus.na.jnj.com> From: "Peter Hesse" To: "Tony Capel" , "'Blake Ramsdell'" , "'Russ Housley'" , References: <000f01c4293c$6f079140$01b5a8c0@tony> Subject: Re: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:01:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony Capel wrote: > 2) I have found that clear-signing often fails with messages going from > one organization to another and it has not always been clear why. I can give you a good reason why: certain Microsoft mail applications (i.e. Outlook) make no effort to escape "From" if it appears on the beginning of a line. However, when that message leaves the organization and lands at a *NIX mail server, the mail server is inserting the ">" because of settings in Sendmail or Exim. My experience has been that non-MS mail applications (Netscape Messenger, Thunderbird, Eudora) do a good job of escaping "From" when sending. MS Exchange has no option to escape "From" upon receipt. I agree with Blake that there is already a recommendation in the document that "additional steps are recommended to defend against known corruptions that can occur during mail transport that are of particular importance for clear- signing using the multipart/signed format." I also want people to understand that this is a prevalent problem, and anything we can add to reduce the likelihood of occurence is a good thing. The suggestion to use quoted-printable encoding for messages which have "From" in the beginning of the line appears nowhere other than the sample message in 3.1.4--which is easily ignored. Thanks, --Peter +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Peter Hesse pmhesse@geminisecurity.com | | Phone: (703)934-2031 Gemini Security Solutions, Inc. | | ICQ: 1942828 www.geminisecurity.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ "Pay no attention to what the critics say; there has never been a statue set up in honor of a critic." --Jean Sibelius From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Apr 23 19:34:47 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA22201 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3NLuiE4004335; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NLuioM004334; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from imap1.doit.wisc.edu (imap1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.75]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3NLuiMb004328 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejnorman@doit.wisc.edu) Received: from [128.104.19.109] (HELO holstein.doit.wisc.edu) by imap1.doit.wisc.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP-TLS id 38648387 for ietf-smime@imc.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:56:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:56:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Norman To: SMIME list Subject: Re: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard In-Reply-To: <003901c42943$dce21c10$53c1010a@jjcus.na.jnj.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; BOUNDARY="-2140662931-1842947131-1082757408=:19158"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---2140662931-1842947131-1082757408=:19158 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Peter Hesse wrote: > I agree with Blake that there is already a recommendation in the document > that "additional steps are recommended to defend against known corruptions > that can occur during mail transport that are of particular importance > for clear- signing using the multipart/signed format." I also > want people to understand that this is a prevalent problem, and anything we > can add to reduce the likelihood of occurence is a good thing. The > suggestion to use quoted-printable encoding for messages which have "From" > in the beginning of the line appears nowhere other than the sample message > in 3.1.4--which is easily ignored. While I can't argue against the idea of escaping mechanisms to prevent clear-signed messages from being mangled, I do wonder how the authors of such non-compliant software will get an incentive to repair their code. Actually, I also wonder if they would even be made aware that there's a problem since a symptom of the problem (signature failure) is being hidden from all parties. Anyway, I'll also add two more examples of mangling that some of us have discovered. (1) When Microsoft software prepares a message for clear signing, the MIME header on the text part is a continued line that starts with a tab character. Some mailing list software thinks it's OK to change that tab to 8 spaces. (2) We have also found mailing list software that thinks it's OK to insert a third part in a multipart/signed message as a footer for the message. 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(localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3UK9GGO060512; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3UK9GJH060511; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:09:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-mclean.mitre.org (smtp-mclean-x.mitre.org [192.80.55.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3UK9FtS060503 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tmiller@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-mclean.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-mclean.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i3UK9H108409 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:09:17 -0400 Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtp-mclean.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i3UK9Gh08400 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:09:16 -0400 Received: from unity-15-141.mitre.org (129.83.15.141) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 7262722; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:09:12 -0400 Message-ID: <4092B263.1010205@mitre.org> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:09:07 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Interpreting Certificate Handling section 3. Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080000060009040406040309" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080000060009040406040309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question has arisen in the community I support regarding various implementer's interpretation of S/MIME Certificate Handling, section 3. To quote: """ 3. Using Distinguished Names for Internet Mail End-entity certificates MAY contain an Internet mail address as described in [RFC-2822]. The address must be an "addr-spec" as defined in Section 3.4.1 of that specification. The email address SHOULD be in the subjectAltName extension, and SHOULD NOT be in the subject distinguished name. [...] Sending agents SHOULD make the address in the From or Sender header in a mail message match an Internet mail address in the signer's certificate. Receiving agents MUST check that the address in the From or Sender header of a mail message matches an Internet mail address, if present, in the signer's certificate, if mail addresses are present in the certificate. A receiving agent SHOULD provide some explicit alternate processing of the message if this comparison fails, which may be to display a message that shows the recipient the addresses in the certificate or other certificate details. """ Most popular S/MIME mail clients absolutely require that the signing cert include an email address, and several clients also absolutely require that the included email address match the sending account-- i.e., if the addresses don't match the clients refuse to send the mail signed. At least one extremely popular client allows the checking of the cert email address against the sending account to be disabled. It has been argued to me that the sending client's refusal to sign & send (as opposed an alterative like notifying the user and signing anyway) is a violation of the RFC because Sec. 3 does not specify what action the client should take when the addresses don't match. Therefore (it is argued) not checking the addresses at all is actually better compliance than checking and refusing to send. I have argued back in turn that the decision to send or not send is the implementer's, and the RFC is correctly silent on the issue. IOW, refusal to send is not a divergence at all, just as it isn't a divergence to skip the check. I'm curious whether there a consensus from the group on this subject. -- -- Timothy J. 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Miller" , ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: Interpreting Certificate Handling section 3. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: That is the reason we do WG Last Call. Russ At 03:09 PM 4/30/2004 -0500, Timothy J. Miller wrote: >I'm curious whether there a consensus from the group on this subject. 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Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Interpreting Certificate Handling section 3. Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080000060009040406040309" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080000060009040406040309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question has arisen in the community I support regarding various implementer's interpretation of S/MIME Certificate Handling, section 3. To quote: """ 3. Using Distinguished Names for Internet Mail End-entity certificates MAY contain an Internet mail address as described in [RFC-2822]. The address must be an "addr-spec" as defined in Section 3.4.1 of that specification. The email address SHOULD be in the subjectAltName extension, and SHOULD NOT be in the subject distinguished name. [...] Sending agents SHOULD make the address in the From or Sender header in a mail message match an Internet mail address in the signer's certificate. Receiving agents MUST check that the address in the From or Sender header of a mail message matches an Internet mail address, if present, in the signer's certificate, if mail addresses are present in the certificate. A receiving agent SHOULD provide some explicit alternate processing of the message if this comparison fails, which may be to display a message that shows the recipient the addresses in the certificate or other certificate details. """ Most popular S/MIME mail clients absolutely require that the signing cert include an email address, and several clients also absolutely require that the included email address match the sending account-- i.e., if the addresses don't match the clients refuse to send the mail signed. At least one extremely popular client allows the checking of the cert email address against the sending account to be disabled. It has been argued to me that the sending client's refusal to sign & send (as opposed an alterative like notifying the user and signing anyway) is a violation of the RFC because Sec. 3 does not specify what action the client should take when the addresses don't match. Therefore (it is argued) not checking the addresses at all is actually better compliance than checking and refusing to send. I have argued back in turn that the decision to send or not send is the implementer's, and the RFC is correctly silent on the issue. IOW, refusal to send is not a divergence at all, just as it isn't a divergence to skip the check. I'm curious whether there a consensus from the group on this subject. -- -- Timothy J. 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The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-03.txt Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3Q9VZb3006228; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 02:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3Q9VZuj006227; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 02:31:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3Q9VYPI006210 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 02:31:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 02:31:23 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: , Cc: , "'Russ Housley'" , "'Sean P. Turner'" Subject: Response to "From mangling" issue in S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 02:31:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The issue raised by Peter Hesse regarding the invalidation of S/MIME digital signatures by intermediate gateways altering lines beginning with the word "From" in the message body has been discussed on the ietf-smime mailing list. The current message specification already discusses the issue of intermediate agents potentially modifying messages (section 3.1), and provides an example for defending against this particular modification (section 3.1.4). The consensus is that the current language is adequate, and the draft does not need to be modified. Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3NLuiE4004335; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NLuioM004334; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from imap1.doit.wisc.edu (imap1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.75]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3NLuiMb004328 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejnorman@doit.wisc.edu) Received: from [128.104.19.109] (HELO holstein.doit.wisc.edu) by imap1.doit.wisc.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP-TLS id 38648387 for ietf-smime@imc.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:56:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:56:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Norman To: SMIME list Subject: Re: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard In-Reply-To: <003901c42943$dce21c10$53c1010a@jjcus.na.jnj.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; BOUNDARY="-2140662931-1842947131-1082757408=:19158"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---2140662931-1842947131-1082757408=:19158 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Peter Hesse wrote: > I agree with Blake that there is already a recommendation in the document > that "additional steps are recommended to defend against known corruptions > that can occur during mail transport that are of particular importance > for clear- signing using the multipart/signed format." I also > want people to understand that this is a prevalent problem, and anything we > can add to reduce the likelihood of occurence is a good thing. The > suggestion to use quoted-printable encoding for messages which have "From" > in the beginning of the line appears nowhere other than the sample message > in 3.1.4--which is easily ignored. While I can't argue against the idea of escaping mechanisms to prevent clear-signed messages from being mangled, I do wonder how the authors of such non-compliant software will get an incentive to repair their code. Actually, I also wonder if they would even be made aware that there's a problem since a symptom of the problem (signature failure) is being hidden from all parties. Anyway, I'll also add two more examples of mangling that some of us have discovered. (1) When Microsoft software prepares a message for clear signing, the MIME header on the text part is a continued line that starts with a tab character. Some mailing list software thinks it's OK to change that tab to 8 spaces. (2) We have also found mailing list software that thinks it's OK to insert a third part in a multipart/signed message as a footer for the message. 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Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NF1dbo066838; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:01:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from osf1.gmu.edu (osf1.gmu.edu [129.174.1.13]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NF1c6Y066829 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmhesse@geminisecurity.com) Received: from WJJCUSCLANGSTO1 ([129.174.244.117]) by osf1.gmu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA247632; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003901c42943$dce21c10$53c1010a@jjcus.na.jnj.com> From: "Peter Hesse" To: "Tony Capel" , "'Blake Ramsdell'" , "'Russ Housley'" , References: <000f01c4293c$6f079140$01b5a8c0@tony> Subject: Re: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:01:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Tony Capel wrote: > 2) I have found that clear-signing often fails with messages going from > one organization to another and it has not always been clear why. I can give you a good reason why: certain Microsoft mail applications (i.e. Outlook) make no effort to escape "From" if it appears on the beginning of a line. However, when that message leaves the organization and lands at a *NIX mail server, the mail server is inserting the ">" because of settings in Sendmail or Exim. My experience has been that non-MS mail applications (Netscape Messenger, Thunderbird, Eudora) do a good job of escaping "From" when sending. MS Exchange has no option to escape "From" upon receipt. I agree with Blake that there is already a recommendation in the document that "additional steps are recommended to defend against known corruptions that can occur during mail transport that are of particular importance for clear- signing using the multipart/signed format." I also want people to understand that this is a prevalent problem, and anything we can add to reduce the likelihood of occurence is a good thing. The suggestion to use quoted-printable encoding for messages which have "From" in the beginning of the line appears nowhere other than the sample message in 3.1.4--which is easily ignored. Thanks, --Peter +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Peter Hesse pmhesse@geminisecurity.com | | Phone: (703)934-2031 Gemini Security Solutions, Inc. | | ICQ: 1942828 www.geminisecurity.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ "Pay no attention to what the critics say; there has never been a statue set up in honor of a critic." --Jean Sibelius Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NESoHr063964; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NESovL063963; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.175.83]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3NESoWk063957 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ieca.com) (turners@ieca.com@138.88.43.206 with plain) by smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2004 14:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4089280A.2070606@ieca.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:28:26 -0400 From: "Sean P. Turner" Organization: IECA, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@imc.org CC: Tony Capel , "'Blake Ramsdell'" , "'Peter Hesse'" , "'Russ Housley'" Subject: Re: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard References: <000f01c4293c$6f079140$01b5a8c0@tony> In-Reply-To: <000f01c4293c$6f079140$01b5a8c0@tony> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I agree if it's already covered then we ought to leave MSG alone. spt Tony Capel wrote: >I agree with Blake, section 3.1 already notes this problem, >and (as noted by Peter originally) the example in section >3.1.4 already explicitly notes the "From" problem >(and others) as well. > >There are two problems with inserting a general recommendation >to solve this problem by making transfer encoding a "should": >1) This is only a problem with clear-signed text (not for opaque or any >encrypted); so if this were a general "should" we may be unnecessarily forcing >transfer encoding (and message expanding) ALL messages. >2) I have found that clear-signing often fails with messages going from one >organization to another and it has not always been clear why. A better solution >in MHO is to use opaque signing. Trying to make a list of all the potential >corruption cases and specifying transfer encoding for each case may be a >formative task - and I am not sure we would get every case - that is, I don't >think MSG is the place to be definitive about this (leaving it as an example as >per 3.1.4 is fine). > >So I would suggest leaving MSG as is. > >tony > >| -----Original Message----- >| From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org >| [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell >| Sent: April 22, 2004 11:34 PM >| To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; ietf-smime@imc.org >| Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message >| Specification' to Proposed Standard >| >| >| >| > -----Original Message----- >| > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] >| > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:21 PM >| > To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; 'ietf-smime@imc.org' >| > Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message >| > Specification' to Proposed Standard >| > >| > In any case, the current path is a non-normative paragraph as >| > Paul suggested, which covers MTA munging in general. >| >| You know what? From section 3.1: >| >| >| A single procedure is used for creating MIME entities that >| are to have any combination of signing, enveloping and >| compressing applied. Some additional steps are recommended to >| defend against known corruptions that can occur during mail >| transport that are of particular importance for clear- >| signing using the multipart/signed format. It is recommended >| that these additional steps be performed on enveloped >| messages, or signed and enveloped messages in order that the >| message can be forwarded to any environment without >| modification. >| >| I think this is completely adequate and exactly covers the >| case we're discussing here. >| >| Blake >| > > > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NE7veQ062520; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NE7vHs062517; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.magma.ca (mx2.magma.ca [206.191.0.250]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NE7umi062511 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from capel@comgate.com) Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx2.magma.ca (Magma Relay Server) with ESMTP id i3NE7tr6021100; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:07:55 -0400 Received: from tony (ottawa-hs-209-217-122-183.s-ip.magma.ca [209.217.122.183]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3NE7flv032201; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:07:55 -0400 From: "Tony Capel" To: "'Blake Ramsdell'" , "'Peter Hesse'" , "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c4293c$6f079140$01b5a8c0@tony> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i3NE7vmi062512 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I agree with Blake, section 3.1 already notes this problem, and (as noted by Peter originally) the example in section 3.1.4 already explicitly notes the "From" problem (and others) as well. There are two problems with inserting a general recommendation to solve this problem by making transfer encoding a "should": 1) This is only a problem with clear-signed text (not for opaque or any encrypted); so if this were a general "should" we may be unnecessarily forcing transfer encoding (and message expanding) ALL messages. 2) I have found that clear-signing often fails with messages going from one organization to another and it has not always been clear why. A better solution in MHO is to use opaque signing. Trying to make a list of all the potential corruption cases and specifying transfer encoding for each case may be a formative task - and I am not sure we would get every case - that is, I don't think MSG is the place to be definitive about this (leaving it as an example as per 3.1.4 is fine). So I would suggest leaving MSG as is. tony | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org | [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell | Sent: April 22, 2004 11:34 PM | To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; ietf-smime@imc.org | Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message | Specification' to Proposed Standard | | | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] | > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:21 PM | > To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; 'ietf-smime@imc.org' | > Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message | > Specification' to Proposed Standard | > | > In any case, the current path is a non-normative paragraph as | > Paul suggested, which covers MTA munging in general. | | You know what? From section 3.1: | | | A single procedure is used for creating MIME entities that | are to have any combination of signing, enveloping and | compressing applied. Some additional steps are recommended to | defend against known corruptions that can occur during mail | transport that are of particular importance for clear- | signing using the multipart/signed format. It is recommended | that these additional steps be performed on enveloped | messages, or signed and enveloped messages in order that the | message can be forwarded to any environment without | modification. | | I think this is completely adequate and exactly covers the | case we're discussing here. | | Blake | Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NAH7hC047638; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3NAH7Mp047637; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NAH6pq047630 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:00 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: Subject: FW: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01 ready for Standards Track Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:17:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Forgot to CC the list. Sorry. Blake > -----Original Message----- > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:12 PM > To: 'Russ Housley'; 'smb@research.att.com' > Cc: 'turners@ieca.com'; 'Jongwook Park'; 'sjlee@kisa.or.kr'; > 'jykim@kisa.or.kr'; 'jilee@kisa.or.kr' > Subject: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01 ready for Standards Track > > > Security Area Directors, > > The S/MIME working group has completed its review of the "Use > of the SEED Encryption Algorithm in CMS" draft, > draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01, and believe it is ready to be > published as a Standards Track RFC. > > Blake > -- > Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N3Y1tb041069; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3N3Y1Yj041068; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N3Y1Uf041060 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:03 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "'Peter Hesse'" , "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:34:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:21 PM > To: 'Peter Hesse'; 'Russ Housley'; 'ietf-smime@imc.org' > Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message > Specification' to Proposed Standard > > In any case, the current path is a non-normative paragraph as > Paul suggested, which covers MTA munging in general. You know what? From section 3.1: A single procedure is used for creating MIME entities that are to have any combination of signing, enveloping and compressing applied. Some additional steps are recommended to defend against known corruptions that can occur during mail transport that are of particular importance for clear- signing using the multipart/signed format. It is recommended that these additional steps be performed on enveloped messages, or signed and enveloped messages in order that the message can be forwarded to any environment without modification. I think this is completely adequate and exactly covers the case we're discussing here. Blake Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N3LPvF040414; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3N3LPif040413; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N3LPgL040406 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:26 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "'Peter Hesse'" , "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200404230227.WAA155542@osf1.gmu.edu> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Hesse [mailto:pmhesse@geminisecurity.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:27 PM > To: 'Blake Ramsdell'; 'Russ Housley'; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message > Specification' to Proposed Standard > > Perhaps the best case for the "From mangling" problem being > prevalent is > found if you look at the IETF-S/MIME archive page and look at > the first > message I sent: > > http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/msg01800.html > > You will see the second complete paragraph begins with > ">From". I sent it > as "From". So, whatever mail transfer agent received this message and > posted it to the archive was subject to this problem. Well, hang on, you had a particular case involving a particular set of agents (including a) a user agent that wasn't smart enough to escape the >From at the desktop, and b) an MTA that chose to introduce the escape on his side). The clients that I use happen to protect you from this (independent of their S/MIME support), so personally, I haven't seen it before. I'm not saying that I can't conceive of a case where this happens, what I'm saying is "if we add this, then are there other cases we need to consider where MTAs munge content and how clients should defend against that" as well as "is this issue important enough for us to call out specifically". In any case, the current path is a non-normative paragraph as Paul suggested, which covers MTA munging in general. Blake Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N2RApN037257; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3N2RAdv037256; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:27:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from osf1.gmu.edu (osf1.gmu.edu [129.174.1.13]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N2R9Ja037248 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmhesse@geminisecurity.com) Received: from geminiph ([129.174.244.117]) by osf1.gmu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA155542; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404230227.WAA155542@osf1.gmu.edu> From: "Peter Hesse" To: "'Blake Ramsdell'" , "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:26:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQo0MNpjMqiVjNCQVGItktHAE+QVAABheLw Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Blake, Perhaps the best case for the "From mangling" problem being prevalent is found if you look at the IETF-S/MIME archive page and look at the first message I sent: http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/msg01800.html You will see the second complete paragraph begins with ">From". I sent it as "From". So, whatever mail transfer agent received this message and posted it to the archive was subject to this problem. For the most part, any MTA system which uses the classic unix mail spool will suffer from this problem. Exim and sendmail both have options to turn on "From escaping", and the common recommendation is typically to enable this option. (Details at bottom). Generally, the majority of UNIX, Solaris, BSD, and Linux based mail servers I have encountered suffer from this problem. Additionally, this problem occurs in unexpected places due to the prevalence of HTML-enabled email applications, which send both HTML and plain-text versions of email messages. Although the word "From" may not appear at the beginning of a line in the message, due to linebreaks being inserted by the mailing application when sending, it might end up there anyway. This can get munged by an MTA, and it is often very difficult to determine that this is what caused a digital signature to not be verified. (The HTML gets displayed to the reader and wasn't modified--the plaintext is what got mangled.) I think that adding the text from RFC2015 is an easy way to cover this problem. It states that handling this is "not required" but "generally a good idea". I invite you and the rest of the ietf-smime group to read about this and consider it before we finalize son-of-2633. Thanks, --Peter Hesse Links to additional information: --------------------------------- Sendmail configuration: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc8.8/op-sh-5.html#sh-5.4 E Escape lines beginning with From in the message with a `>' sign. EXIM configuration http://www.us.exim.org/exim-html-3.30/doc/html/spec_15.html#SEC443 escape_string (appendfile) Type: string Default: ">From " On FAQs.org, the Linux Network Administrators Guide (http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-mail.message-format.html), there is the quote: "If you look into a local mailbox file, you may see each mail message preceded by a "From" line (note: no colon). This is not an RFC-822 header; it has been inserted by your mail software as a convenience to programs reading the mailbox. To avoid potential trouble with lines in the message body that also begin with "From," it has become standard procedure to escape any such occurrence by preceding it with a > character." +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Peter Hesse pmhesse@geminisecurity.com | | Phone: (703)934-2031 Gemini Security Solutions, Inc. | | ICQ: 1942828 www.geminisecurity.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ "Pay no attention to what the critics say; there has never been a statue set up in honor of a critic." --Jean Sibelius -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:07 PM To: 'Russ Housley'; ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:26 AM > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: Fwd: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message > Specification' to Proposed Standard > > Does the S/MIME WG have a response to this comment? I suspect so. > Please coordinate a response and send it to iesg@ietf.org before Last > Call expires. I may be missing the exact details here, so people can jump in where I'm misguided. Basically this is a multipart/signed message where a signature was applied, and an entity that performed intermediate processing deliberately violated section 2.1 of RFC1847 which states: The entire contents of the multipart/signed container must be treated as opaque while it is in transit from an originator to a recipient. Intermediate message transfer agents must not alter the content of a multipart/signed in any way, including, but not limited to, changing the content transfer encoding of the body part or any of its encapsulated body parts. So is this "From mangling" problem prevalent enough to warrant special treatment in the S/MIME spec is the question here, since it's already been stated that you shouldn't do it. Based on the lack of discussion and consensus when this issue was first brought up, we need to understand the community feel better. That is, is this particular mangling more prevalent than the other issues that aren't currently discussed in the spec (are there whitespace issues we need to think about, for instance)? Blake Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N2LsBD036797; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:21:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3N2LsU9036796; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:21:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from [63.202.92.152] (adsl-63-202-92-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.92.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N2Lp61036788; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phoffman@imc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffman@mail.imc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:21:55 -0700 To: "Blake Ramsdell" , "'Russ Housley'" , From: Paul Hoffman / IMC Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: At 6:07 PM -0700 4/22/04, Blake Ramsdell wrote: >Basically this is a multipart/signed message where a signature was >applied, and an entity that performed intermediate processing >deliberately violated section 2.1 of RFC1847 which states: > > >The entire contents of the multipart/signed container must be treated >as opaque while it is in transit from an originator to a recipient. >Intermediate message transfer agents must not alter the content of a >multipart/signed in any way, including, but not limited to, changing >the content transfer encoding of the body part or any of its >encapsulated body parts. > Correct. The final MTA doesn't give a hoot about RFC 1847 and modifies some part of the message without even noticing the MIME, much less anything special in the MIME. >So is this "From mangling" problem prevalent enough to warrant special >treatment in the S/MIME spec is the question here, since it's already >been stated that you shouldn't do it. Based on the lack of discussion >and consensus when this issue was first brought up, we need to >understand the community feel better. That is, is this particular >mangling more prevalent than the other issues that aren't currently >discussed in the spec (are there whitespace issues we need to think >about, for instance)? This form of mangling is common, so I think it is worth a short mention in the document. However, that's just a mention, not a new MUST/SHOULD/MAY. Maybe along the lines of: Note that it is common for SMTP agents to change the body of messages, such as to add a ">" before the word "From " at the beginning of a line in a message body. If such agents ignore the rules of RFC 1847, there is nothing that an S/MIME agent can do about it. (As a side note, From-mangling could affect a multipart/encrypted message, but that is far less likely to be able to happen.) --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N17Gek032102; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3N17GDK032101; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:07:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N17GZg032095 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:07:14 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:07:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040422102411.04112260@mail.binhost.com> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:26 AM > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: Fwd: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message > Specification' to Proposed Standard > > Does the S/MIME WG have a response to this comment? I > suspect so. Please > coordinate a response and send it to iesg@ietf.org before > Last Call expires. I may be missing the exact details here, so people can jump in where I'm misguided. Basically this is a multipart/signed message where a signature was applied, and an entity that performed intermediate processing deliberately violated section 2.1 of RFC1847 which states: The entire contents of the multipart/signed container must be treated as opaque while it is in transit from an originator to a recipient. Intermediate message transfer agents must not alter the content of a multipart/signed in any way, including, but not limited to, changing the content transfer encoding of the body part or any of its encapsulated body parts. So is this "From mangling" problem prevalent enough to warrant special treatment in the S/MIME spec is the question here, since it's already been stated that you shouldn't do it. Based on the lack of discussion and consensus when this issue was first brought up, we need to understand the community feel better. That is, is this particular mangling more prevalent than the other issues that aren't currently discussed in the spec (are there whitespace issues we need to think about, for instance)? Blake Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3MEQZJe076100; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3MEQZ8j076099; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:26:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id i3MEQY15076084 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 6767 invoked by uid 0); 22 Apr 2004 14:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (151.200.243.216) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2004 14:26:12 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040422102411.04112260@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:26:26 -0400 To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Fwd: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to Proposed Standard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Does the S/MIME WG have a response to this comment? I suspect so. Please coordinate a response and send it to iesg@ietf.org before Last Call expires. Russ >From: "Peter Hesse" >To: , >Cc: "'Blake Ramsdell'" >Subject: RE: Last Call: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification' to >Proposed Standard >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:34:50 -0400 > >I am sorry for not catching this hadn't been handled earlier, but I would >like to reiterate a request I made in November 2003 for this document. The >archived message can be found here: >http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/msg01800.html or, you can just >read below > >-------- >I have recently run into a problem with signed emails not being able to be >verified, because of the presence of the word "From" in the first columns of >a line of the email message. This email will serve as an example of this >potential problem. If your email client sees this message as signed but the >signature is invalid, the next paragraph should start with the word >"From"--see if it has been modified. > > >From appearing as the first characters after a blank line will result in >some email delivery agents (such as sendmail or exim) escaping the >word--"From" is replaced with ">From". The reason for this behavior has to >do with the UNIX mbox mail storage file format. The mbox format stores >multiple messages in one file, and the messages are separated by the word >"From" as the first characters following a blank line. Some mail delivery >agents do not have this problem (i.e. Exchange), because they do not store >messages in the mbox format. Many do, however, resulting in a modification >of the message and the signature being invalidated. > >I would like to request that this issue be more directly dealt with in >son-of-RFC2633. (Currently, it is mentioned in the example MIME-encoded >message, but nowhere in the text.) One recommendation might be to borrow >from RFC2015 (MIME Security with PGP), which states: > Though not required, it is generally a good idea to use Quoted- > Printable encoding in the first step (writing out the data to be > signed in MIME canonical format) if any of the lines in the data > begin with "From ", and encode the "F". This will avoid an MTA > inserting a ">" in front of the line, thus invalidating the > signature! > >Perhaps this might even be a SHOULD, although I will ask the group to weigh >in on that. >-------- > >Thanks, > >--Peter Hesse Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3LJcp7v003597; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3LJcpd6003596; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3LJcoNq003589 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbunch@cnri.reston.va.us) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA10154; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404211938.PAA10154@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:38:22 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Use of the SEED Encryption Algorithm in CMS Author(s) : J. Park, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2004-4-21 This document specifies the conventions for using the SEED encryption algorithm for encryption with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-4-21154751.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-4-21154751.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3LCaM0E067690; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3LCaMlc067689; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3LCaMN1067680 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:12:14 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "'Russ Housley'" , Cc: "'Sean P. Turner'" , Subject: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-03 ready for Standards Track Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:12:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Security Area Directors, The S/MIME working group has completed its review of the "Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)" draft, draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-03, and believe it is ready to be published as a Standards Track RFC. Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3LCXOrr067488; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3LCXOYP067487; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:33:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3LCXOXx067461 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:09:11 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "'Russ Housley'" , Cc: "'Sean P. Turner'" , Subject: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09 ready for Standards Track Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:09:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Security Area Directors, The S/MIME working group has completed its review of the "S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification" draft, draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09, and believe it is ready to be published as a Standards Track RFC. 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The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09.txt Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3KJq2Q8011866; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3KJq2Je011865; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:52:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3KJq1pw011858 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbunch@cnri.reston.va.us) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA18216; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404201952.PAA18216@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-03.txt Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:52:04 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) Author(s) : R. Housley Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-03.txt Pages : 55 Date : 2004-4-20 This document describes the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). This syntax is used to digitally sign, digest, authenticate, or encrypt arbitrary message content. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-03.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-03.txt". 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This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification Author(s) : B. Ramsdell Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2004-4-19 This document defines S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail extensions) version 3.1. S/MIME provides a consistent way to send and receive secure MIME data. Digital signatures provide authentication, message integrity and non-repudiation with proof of origin, encryption provides data confidentiality and compression provides data compression. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-4-20111807.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-4-20111807.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3DEwbf7047537; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3DEwbWv047536; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from center.kisa.or.kr ([211.252.150.11]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3DEwZsO047525 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khopri@kisa.or.kr) Received: from khoprivaio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by center.kisa.or.kr (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i3DEoam29320; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:50:36 +0900 (KST) Message-Id: <200404131450.i3DEoam29320@center.kisa.or.kr> From: "Jongwook Park" To: "'KATO Akihiro'" Cc: , , , Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:58:07 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040413161318.6E7D.AKATO@po.ntts.co.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQhJ/+q/b8JaFPvRTi9dhpedXLigQAN/Kig Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Akihiro, Thanks for your feedback. Fully agree. I see no problem with your views on this draft. 1. Mistyped notation, Pi and Ci, through in Section 3 is fixed. (e.g.: P1->P[1], C1->C[1]) 2. Fixed 3. A[t] and R[t][i] containing the index 't' were replaced by A[s] and R[s][i] separately. 4. 05 00 representing the value NULL is appended. Best regards, Park. -----Original Message----- From: KATO Akihiro [mailto:akato@po.ntts.co.jp] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:29 PM To: ietf-smime@imc.org Cc: akato@po.ntts.co.jp; khopri@kisa.or.kr; sjlee@kisa.or.kr; jykim@kisa.or.kr; jilee@kisa.or.kr Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Park I have four comments. 1. Section 3. Although array is defined as using [], there are parts described without using []. 2. Section 3. Definition of R. The expression R[t][i] is better. 3. Section 3.2 "SEED Key Wrap" step 3), t is not well defined(t will surely be s). 4. "0500" should be added to the last of the SMIMECapabilities. -- - KATO Akihiro Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3D7TAKp079076; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3D7TAjt079075; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:29:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail1.ics.ntts.co.jp (mail1.ics.ntts.co.jp [202.32.24.45]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3D7T9u6079015 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akato@po.ntts.co.jp) Received: from mail26.silk.ntts.co.jp by mail1.ics.ntts.co.jp (8.12.10/3.7W-NTTSOFT-SUR2.0) id i3D7T0El015130; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:29:00 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akato@po.ntts.co.jp) Received: from helene.ms.ntts.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail26.silk.ntts.co.jp (8.12.10/8.12.10/mail26-5.3) with ESMTP id i3D7SxmP009089; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:28:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (green [10.8.3.17]) by helene.ms.ntts.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6339B1FFD54; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:28:59 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:28:59 +0900 From: KATO Akihiro To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Cc: akato@po.ntts.co.jp, , , , In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20040413161318.6E7D.AKATO@po.ntts.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.06.02 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Park I have four comments. 1. Section 3. Although array is defined as using [], there are parts described without using []. 2. Section 3. Definition of R. The expression R[t][i] is better. 3. Section 3.2 "SEED Key Wrap" step 3), t is not well defined(t will surely be s). 4. "0500" should be added to the last of the SMIMECapabilities. -- - KATO Akihiro Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3CG1vWU013994; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3CG1vxS013993; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus22.ietf.org [132.151.6.22]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3CG1uGK013981 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@optimus.ietf.org) Received: from nobody by optimus.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 1BD3sl-0005aY-Mo; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:01:59 -0400 X-test-idtracker: no From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce:; Cc: Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor , smime mailing list , smime chair , smime chair Subject: Protocol Action: 'Use of the PSS Signature Algorithm in CMS' to Proposed Standard Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:01:59 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Use of the PSS Signature Algorithm in CMS ' as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Russ Housley and Steve Bellovin. Technical Summary This document specifies the conventions for using the RSA Probabilistic Signature Scheme (RSASSA-PSS) digital signature algorithm with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). Working Group Summary The S/MIME Working Group came to consensus on this document. Protocol Quality This document was reviewed by Russell Housley for the IESG. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i39D4cSO087317; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i39D4cBI087316; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id i39D4bd1087308 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 06:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 24933 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2004 12:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (151.200.241.122) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2004 12:51:52 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040409090054.03db7148@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 09:04:23 -0400 To: jimsch@exmsft.com From: Russ Housley Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-02.txt Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org In-Reply-To: <20040408201806.B80406EFFD@smtp1.pacifier.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Jim: Thanks you for the careful review. >1. Formatting error in section 5.1 (end of page 8) has returned. Fixed (again). >2. Formatting error in section 6.2 (last text paragraph) Fixed. >3. Formatting error in section 6.3 (paragraph #1) Fixed. >4. Formatting error in section 10.2.3 (last text paragraph) Fixed. Russ Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i38KI89A007951; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i38KI8nv007950; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i38KI7Ke007944 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jimsch@nwlink.com) Received: from romans (ip237.132.dial-acs01.sea.iinet.com [209.20.132.237]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7116F0E2; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: Cc: , , , Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:22:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQcFBdbfej1fCHTT76y4iQezUc1mQBjKMuA In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040408201811.BC7116F0E2@smtp1.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: 1. Need a module number assigned before progression to the AD. 2. Printing error with HTML markers coming through need to be fixed. 3. I'd like to see a reference to the draft-park-seed. jim Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i38KI3Ow007941; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i38KI32b007940; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:18:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i38KI2Sl007934 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:18:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jimsch@nwlink.com) Received: from romans (ip237.132.dial-acs01.sea.iinet.com [209.20.132.237]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80406EFFD; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: Cc: "'Housley, Russ'" Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-02.txt Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:22:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQbuh28gJgCZNq6SySsYBIefbpZBQB55i/A In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040408201806.B80406EFFD@smtp1.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Russ, Everything looks fine except for the fact that there are a set of formatting errors in the text: 1. Formatting error in section 5.1 (end of page 8) has returned. 2. Formatting error in section 6.2 (last text paragraph) 3. Formatting error in section 6.3 (paragraph #1) 4. Formatting error in section 10.2.3 (last text paragraph) Jim Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37FLCnc002714; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i37FLCZe002713; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.151]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37FLB3c002686 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from medusa01 (medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772DE34013; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 03:19:16 +1200 (NZST) Received: from pgut001 by medusa01 with local (Exim 4.30) id 1BBErd-00083F-UJ; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 03:21:17 +1200 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz, tmiller@mitre.org Subject: Re: Certificate renewal and enveloped-data. Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org In-Reply-To: <407412E4.9030901@mitre.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 03:21:17 +1200 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: "Timothy J. Miller" writes: >We're also using a smartcard token to hold the certs & keys, and there's no >room to retain the old certs. More capacious tokens are coming, but that >will be a long process in and of itself. If the card uses PKCS #15 then it'd be a pretty minor change (that's what my code uses, and what I was thinking of in my previous message when I mentioned retaining an index entry for the old iAndS). Each PKCS #15 object has a number of search keys you can use to locate it, in your case all you'd need to do is retain the previous iAndS associated with the private key when you re- issue the cert. That's the theory, in practice you'd need a considerable amount of vendor cooperation to make this happen. >>I don't think this will help, when you delete the old cert the sKID goes >>with it, so when you lose the iAndS you also lose the sKID. > >But in the new cert the sKID should be the same as the old one, since they >key material hasn't changed. Only if the CA generates the sKID in a repeatable, deterministic way from the the public key. You can't rely on this (unless you control the CA), in general it's just another search key for the cert, and may be completely unrelated to the public key. >I can say that retaining the old certificate probably won't work on Windows >anyway; it appears that Windows associates key pairs via a specific pointer >rather than by shared modulus, *and* it enforces a one-to-one mapping of >certs and private key containers. AFAIK it uses a unique ID to connect the two. The PKCS #11 model follows this pattern as well, although it doesn't require a 1:1 mapping - you can have lots of things tied by a common ID if you want, although I suspect some apps would handle this rather poorly. Peter. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37EeirZ098835; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:40:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i37EeiHX098834; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:40:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-mclean.mitre.org (smtp-mclean-x.mitre.org [192.80.55.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37EehFd098828 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:40:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tmiller@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-mclean.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-mclean.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i37Eek811744 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:40:46 -0400 Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtp-mclean.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i37EeiJ11717; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:40:45 -0400 Received: from unity-15-50.mitre.org (129.83.15.50) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 2268271; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:40:37 -0400 Message-ID: <407412E4.9030901@mitre.org> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:40:36 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Gutmann CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Certificate renewal and enveloped-data. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Peter Gutmann wrote: > Can't you just have two issuerAndSerialNumber index entries pointing to the > same private key? I must admit it's not something that's come up before (I > strongly encourage users to generate new keys and not re-certify the same old > key year in, year out, which probably helps), but if you needed to do it you > could just retain the old iAndS index entry for the private key. Unfortunately, the PKI users require new certificates because of changing email addresses before the certificates expire. What I'm really after here is to avoid going through the whole key recovery mess simply so users can read old enveloped email. Currently, the PKI in use adds the rfc822Name to the subjectAltName extension in the S/MIME encryption certificates being created. Changing that is a long process already underway-- the eventual goal is to use S/MIME signing certs tied to email addresses, and S/MIME encryption certs that are not, but it could be a couple of years before that's ready. I work for a rather large organization with a rather large PKI. ;) We're also using a smartcard token to hold the certs & keys, and there's no room to retain the old certs. More capacious tokens are coming, but that will be a long process in and of itself. > (Do you specifically need an MTA that does this, or will an S/MIME > toolkit do? > :-). It would be nice if it all worked with Outlook, but that may be too much to ask (see below). > I don't think this will help, when you delete the old cert the sKID goes with > it, so when you lose the iAndS you also lose the sKID. But in the new cert the sKID should be the same as the old one, since they key material hasn't changed. So when I'm opening an enveloped message, I pull the sKID from RecipientInfo, search the cert store for that sKID, then find the private key that matches the modulus from that cert. Or am I just wrong? Why? I can say that retaining the old certificate probably won't work on Windows anyway; it appears that Windows associates key pairs via a specific pointer rather than by shared modulus, *and* it enforces a one-to-one mapping of certs and private key containers. But we're taking that as a separate issue. -- -- Timothy J. Miller ( The MITRE Corporation ) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37E7VrT096257; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i37E7ViQ096256; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.151]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i37E7UWI096248 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from medusa01 (medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCA734045; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 02:05:00 +1200 (NZST) Received: from pgut001 by medusa01 with local (Exim 4.30) id 1BBDhl-0007yP-GO; Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:07:01 +1200 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: ietf-smime@imc.org, tmiller@mitre.org Subject: Re: Certificate renewal and enveloped-data. In-Reply-To: <4071B517.9040006@mitre.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:07:01 +1200 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: "Timothy J. Miller" writes: >I have an operational need to renew (extend the lifetime) rather than reissue >certificates, but the messages my mailers create use issuerAndSerialNumber as >the RecipientInfo pointer. This means that after the removal of the old >certificate the enveloped messages cannot be decrypted by the mail agent. Can't you just have two issuerAndSerialNumber index entries pointing to the same private key? I must admit it's not something that's come up before (I strongly encourage users to generate new keys and not re-certify the same old key year in, year out, which probably helps), but if you needed to do it you could just retain the old iAndS index entry for the private key. (Do you specifically need an MTA that does this, or will an S/MIME toolkit do? :-). >Unfortunately, all the S/MIME mailers I have access to all use >issuerAndSerialNumber. I've messed around trying to construct an envelop >using SKI to test without success; this could be either a failure on my part >or lack of support in the mail agent-- I can't tell which. I don't think this will help, when you delete the old cert the sKID goes with it, so when you lose the iAndS you also lose the sKID. Peter. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36JkwGn076490; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i36JkweD076489; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36JkvAI076480 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:56 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: Cc: "'Sean P. Turner'" , , , , Subject: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:46:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : Use of the SEED Encryption Algorithm in CMS Author(s) : J. Park, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2004-4-5 A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Proposed Standard. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on Tuesday, April 20, 2004. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors that the document, after possible editorial or other minor changes, be considered by the IESG for publication as a Standard Track RFC (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately addressed prior to further action (including, possibly, another WG Last Call). Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! -- Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36HEE23065206; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i36HEEo5065205; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i36HEBcR065198 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinaras@cnri.reston.va.us) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07504; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200404061714.NAA07504@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:14:13 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Use of the SEED Encryption Algorithm in CMS Author(s) : J. Park, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2004-4-5 This document specifies the conventions for using the SEED encryption algorithm for encryption with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-4-6105430.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-4-6105430.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3697p3C030859; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i3697piv030858; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3697px6030831 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:46 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: Cc: "'Sean P. Turner'" , "Housley, Russ" Subject: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-02.txt Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:07:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) Author(s) : R. Housley Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-02.txt Pages : 55 Date : March, 2004 A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-02.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Proposed Standard. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on Tuesday, April 20, 2004. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors that the document, after possible editorial or other minor changes, be considered by the IESG for publication as a Standard Track RFC (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately addressed prior to further action (including, possibly, another WG Last Call). Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! -- Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i35JZrFn002717; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i35JZrl8002716; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford-x.mitre.org [192.160.51.76]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i35JZpEx002704 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tmiller@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i35JZtl17440 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:35:56 -0400 Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i35JZtc17426 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:35:55 -0400 Received: from unity-18-77.mitre.org (129.83.18.77) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 2239758; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:35:52 -0400 Message-ID: <4071B517.9040006@mitre.org> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:35:51 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Certificate renewal and enveloped-data. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I've skimmed the last year or so of the archive, but without a dedicated search function it's kind of hard to tell what's been previously discussed. I was wondering if the issue of renewing certificates (i.e., same key material, different validity & serial, possibly different DN) has arisen before the WG and if anyone could point me to the relevant threads (or perhaps would be willing to discuss the subject on- or off-list). I have an operational need to renew (extend the lifetime) rather than reissue certificates, but the messages my mailers create use issuerAndSerialNumber as the RecipientInfo pointer. This means that after the removal of the old certificate the enveloped messages cannot be decrypted by the mail agent. It seems to me that if the RecipientInfo were set to subjectKeyIdentifier, old messages could still be decrypted with renewed certificates (assuming that SKI is set to the key's hash as recommended), even after the old certificate is removed. Unfortunately, all the S/MIME mailers I have access to all use issuerAndSerialNumber. I've messed around trying to construct an envelop using SKI to test without success; this could be either a failure on my part or lack of support in the mail agent-- I can't tell which. Thanks in advance. -- -- Timothy J. 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