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From: "Anders Rundgren" <anders.rundgren@telia.com>
To: "Timothy J. Miller" <tmiller@mitre.org>, <ietf-smime@imc.org>
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Subject: Re: Interpreting Certificate Handling section 3.
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 09:03:40 +0200
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A part from the question you put it is interesting to note that
your e-mail certificate as well as mine follows the industry-
standard with respect to e-mail address representation.
That the S/MIME RFC "violates" the industry-standard is
IMHO an error that should be corrected.

/anders
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy J. Miller" <tmiller@mitre.org>
To: <ietf-smime@imc.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 22:09
Subject: Interpreting Certificate Handling section 3.


A question has arisen in the community I support regarding various 
implementer's interpretation of S/MIME Certificate Handling, section 3. 
  To quote:

"""
3. Using Distinguished Names for Internet Mail

End-entity certificates MAY contain an Internet mail address as
described in [RFC-2822]. The address must be an "addr-spec" as defined
in Section 3.4.1 of that specification. The email address SHOULD be in
the subjectAltName extension, and SHOULD NOT be in the subject
distinguished name.

[...]

Sending agents SHOULD make the address in the From or Sender header in
a mail message match an Internet mail address in the signer's
certificate. Receiving agents MUST check that the address in the From
or Sender header of a mail message matches an Internet mail address,
if present, in the signer's certificate, if mail addresses are present
in the certificate. A receiving agent SHOULD provide some explicit
alternate processing of the message if this comparison fails, which
may be to display a message that shows the recipient the addresses in
the certificate or other certificate details.
"""

Most popular S/MIME mail clients absolutely require that the signing 
cert include an email address, and several clients also absolutely 
require that the included email address match the sending account-- 
i.e., if the addresses don't match the clients refuse to send the mail 
signed.

At least one extremely popular client allows the checking of the cert 
email address against the sending account to be disabled.

It has been argued to me that the sending client's refusal to sign & 
send (as opposed an alterative like notifying the user and signing 
anyway) is a violation of the RFC because Sec. 3 does not specify what 
action the client should take when the addresses don't match.  Therefore 
(it is argued) not checking the addresses at all is actually better 
compliance than checking and refusing to send.

I have argued back in turn that the decision to send or not send is the 
implementer's, and the RFC is correctly silent on the issue.  IOW, 
refusal to send is not a divergence at all, just as it isn't a 
divergence to skip the check.

I'm curious whether there a consensus from the group on this subject.

-- 
-- Timothy J. Miller
    ( The MITRE Corporation )

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Timothy J. Miller wrote:

> A question has arisen in the community I support regarding various 
> implementer's interpretation of S/MIME Certificate Handling, section 
> 3.  To quote:
>
> """
> 3. Using Distinguished Names for Internet Mail
>
> End-entity certificates MAY contain an Internet mail address as
> described in [RFC-2822]. The address must be an "addr-spec" as defined
> in Section 3.4.1 of that specification. The email address SHOULD be in
> the subjectAltName extension, and SHOULD NOT be in the subject
> distinguished name.
>
> [...]
>
> Sending agents SHOULD make the address in the From or Sender header in
> a mail message match an Internet mail address in the signer's
> certificate. Receiving agents MUST check that the address in the From
> or Sender header of a mail message matches an Internet mail address,
> if present, in the signer's certificate, if mail addresses are present
> in the certificate. A receiving agent SHOULD provide some explicit
> alternate processing of the message if this comparison fails, which
> may be to display a message that shows the recipient the addresses in
> the certificate or other certificate details.
> """
>
> Most popular S/MIME mail clients absolutely require that the signing 
> cert include an email address, and several clients also absolutely 
> require that the included email address match the sending account-- 
> i.e., if the addresses don't match the clients refuse to send the mail 
> signed.
>
> At least one extremely popular client allows the checking of the cert 
> email address against the sending account to be disabled.
>
> It has been argued to me that the sending client's refusal to sign & 
> send (as opposed an alterative like notifying the user and signing 
> anyway) is a violation of the RFC because Sec. 3 does not specify what 
> action the client should take when the addresses don't match.  
> Therefore (it is argued) not checking the addresses at all is actually 
> better compliance than checking and refusing to send.

My first thought was "oh we could just put a line in about notifying the
user" and be done with it. But, if an sending agent's implemeter doesn't
support the check but does support a notice - it seems funny to present
the notice and then have the client not do anything about what the user
picks.  Then again if the people arguing the other side of the argument
might have some words - let them propose them (granted I'm sure we
hacked this out long ago).

>
> I have argued back in turn that the decision to send or not send is 
> the implementer's, and the RFC is correctly silent on the issue.  IOW, 
> refusal to send is not a divergence at all, just as it isn't a 
> divergence to skip the check.
>
> I'm curious whether there a consensus from the group on this subject.

I think it's fine the way it is because there is no way (at present) to
keep the From and Sender headers from being changed (think of all the
mail lists). Therefore, it seems like a silly thing to force "sending"
implementations to do on outbound email messages.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org 
> [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of David P. Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:26 PM
> To: Blake Ramsdell
> Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org
> Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt
> 
> 1.  Section 2.3 para 4: "Agents MAY send CA certificates, that is,
> certificates that are self-signed and can be considered the "root"
> of other chains."   This incorrectly implies that the only kind
> of CA cert is the self-signed kind.  Suggest "Agents MAY send
> CA certificates that are self-signed and ..."

Fixed.

> 2.  Section 4.4 paragraph 2: Why must sending and receiving
> agents correctly handle the listed extensions only when they
> appear in end-entity certificates?  Suggest that sending and
> receiving agents MUST correctly (i.e. in accordance with RFC 3280)
> handle the basic constraints, key usage, AKI, SKI, and SAN extensions
> in end-entity *and CA* certificates.

Fixed.

> 3.  Section 4.4.1 paragraph 3: "Certificates SHOULD contain a
> basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
> that extension in end entity certificates."  In order to avoid
> inconsistency with PKIX, change to "Certificates MUST contain a
> basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
> that extension in end entity certificates."  In other words, a
> sending and receiving agent is non-compliant if it accepts
> a v3 certificate without the basicConstraints extension as a CA
> certificate.

I worry about this one, and did not change it. This is a material
softening of the language from PKIX. This has a serious impact on
implementations because it would force all CA certificates to be v1
certificates. I am fairly certain that the self-signed roots for many
current CAs (which I think fit in the definition of "CA certificates")
are v1 certificates, and thus cannot have this extension.

Blake



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:46 PM
> To: Blake Ramsdell; ietf-smime@imc.org
> Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt
> 
> 1. Section 1,1, 1st sentence: s/draft/document/

Fixed.

> 2.  Should Section 1,2 reference RFC 3369?

We had this discussion in 2633 about "prior practice" vs. "current
practice". Not changed.

> 3.  Section 1.4: s/MD2 use for certificate signatures 
> discouraged/The use 
> of the MD5 message digest for certificate signatures is discouraged/

Fixed (also s/MD5/MD2/ as you pointed out in a subsequent message).

> 4. Delete Section 1.5 before submitting the document to the IESG.

Fixed.

> 5.  Section 4.4.2 include the following paragraph:
> 
>     If the key usage extension is not specified, receiving 
> clients MUST
>     presume that the digitalSignature and nonRepudiation bits are set.
> 
> Should there be an 'only' in this sentence?

I don't think so -- the critical thing, I think, was to communicate was
that any certificate should be considered useful for signing. Outside of
that, it's up to the client to determine other usage defaults.

> 6.  Section 4.4.4, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Add a period.

Fixed.

Blake



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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org
[mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Sean P. Turner
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:45 AM
To: Blake Ramsdell
Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org
Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt

Para 1, 2nd sentence: Replace "MUST certify that the public" with "MUST
verify that the public". 

[bcr] Fixed.

Para 1.1, ASN.1 references- Why do these point to X.680-680 while the
2633bis ASN.1 references point to X.208-209. Shouldn't they point to the
same thing? 

[bcr] Fixed.

Para 1.1, Certificate definition: Replace "binds an entity's
distinguished name" with "binds an entity's name". 

[bcr] Fixed.

Para 2.3, 5th para,  Can add a pointer to the path building ID/RFC from
PKIX? 

[bcr] Hoo. Dangerous. There seems to be blocking risk here that I don't
think is warranted (that is, when is draft-ietf-pkix-certpathbuild going
to be completed?) I'm leaving it out for right now.

Para 2.3, 5th para 2nd sentence, Replace "Other methods of building
certificate chains may be supported" with "Other methods of building
certificate chains MAY be supported" 

[bcr] Fixed.

Para 5: I'd like to add a security consideration about why it might not
be good to send CRLs: "CRLs sent with the message impose concern when
the signer's certificate is revoked, but the signer purposely includes a
valid CRL but not the most recent CRL without the signer's serialNumber
thereby providing a false verification". (or something like that)

[bcr] I took a hack at this. If there's any concerns, we'll address them
in IETF-wide last call.

Para 5: The last 4 reasons for a signature and certificate checking to
fail are may not be true if the sig/cert is checked at some future date
after an initial check. Should we add a note to indicate that if the
signature or certificate is verified at some later date they should be
considered "valid" even though one of the four things occurred?

[bcr] I'm not feeling it -- the spirit of this guidance is that "at some
particular point in time when validating a certificate, these things
could fail" without talking about how those failures might be corrected
in the future. I think that's outside the scope, and the point is to
illustrate that at some particular time, some particular things might go
wrong.

Blake



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Schaad [mailto:jimsch@nwlink.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:29 PM
> To: 'Blake Ramsdell'
> Cc: Ietf-Smime
> Subject: Comments on draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt
> 
> 1.  Section 2.2.1:  In the following text,  I have a problem 
> with "PKIX" as
> oppose to X.509 Identity Certificates, esp as PKIX now has a 
> definition for
> ACs.

Switched to PKIX.

> 2.  Section 2.2.1, p 3: s/suerceded/superseded/ --- I didn't 
> believe it but
> I looked it up.

Fixed.

> 3.  Section 2.3:  The following statements don't agree:
> 
> Receiving agents MUST be able to handle an arbitrary number of
> certificates of arbitrary relationship to the message sender and to
> each other in arbitrary order. 
> 
> A receiving agent
> SHOULD be able to handle an arbitrarily large number of certificates
> and chains.

Switched to MUST.

> 5. Section 3:  Please define the type of field for 
> pkcs-9-at-emailAddress.
> (I think it's IA5 string but can't swear to it off the top of 
> my head.)

It is indeed IA5String. Added:

Note that this attribute MUST be encoded as IA5String.

> 6.  Section 5: s/noticable/noticeable/

Fixed.

> 7.  Section 5: s/message,if/message, if/

Fixed.

Blake



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Schaad [mailto:jimsch@nwlink.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:50 PM
> To: 'Blake Ramsdell'; ietf-smime@imc.org
> Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt
> 
> 1.  Do we need to review the  RSA key sizes on certificate 
> verification,
> 4096 is soon to be a common key size I think and should be 
> supported.  I
> don't know that 512 should not be dropped from MUST to SHOULD.

I'm not feeling this one on the 4096 end. I'm leaving it alone for now.
If anyone feels strongly, speak up.

On the 512 end... I think making implementations support 512 is fine.

> 2.  I just noticed that 4.4.2.1 does not have a corresponding 
> section for
> RSA.  In point of fact this may now be in CMSALG and 
> therefore not needed.
> (i.e. remove 4.4.2.1)

Agreed -- this is covered in [KEYMALG]. Removed.

Blake



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Here's a practical example where this problem
might arise. Assume that two companies, A and B,
have cross-certified (maybe through a bridge CA,
maybe directly). The cross certificate from A to B
includes a name constraint of type rfc822Name
with permittedSubtrees of b.com. The CA for B
(or perhaps a rebellious or poorly managed
subsidiary CA) issues a certificate to an
individual with an EmailAddress attribute
with the value "prez@a.com" in the subject DN
and a subject alt name of type rfc822Name
with the value "peon@b.com".

Under the current text in RFC 3280 and under
Stefan's proposed revised text, a relying
party whose trust anchor is A will consider
this certificate perfectly valid. Unless their
email software is smart enough to know that
an EmailAddress attribute in the subject DN
is not checked for name constraints when
there's also a subject alt name and therefore
the EmailAddress attribute must be ignored,
the email software will be glad to verify
email claiming to be from prez@a.com if the
signature can be verified with this certificate.

Why is this a problem? Because the name constraints
extension in the cross certificate was supposed
to prevent relying parties in A from accepting
certificates from B when an email address outside
of b.com as the subject DN or subject alt name.

I have cc'd this email to the smime WG. Maybe they
will tell me not to worry. Email clients are smart
enough to know that if a valid certificate contains
a subject alt name, then the EmailAddress attribute
in the subject DN cannot be trusted. But I don't
think email clients do this check. I certainly can't
find any language in RFC 2632 and its successor warning
people to do this.

Either RFC 3280 should consider the cert described
above as invalid or RFC 2632 should warn email developers
to ignore an EmailAddress attribute in the subject DN
if the certificate contains a subject alt name. Otherwise,
I think we have a security hole. Given the choice between
these two options, I'd rather change RFC 3280. Why?
First, I don't think that cert should be valid. Second,
it's usually easier to change the path validation code
and get that deployed (via an OS patch or equivalent)
than to change the email client code.

Thanks,

Steve

Stephen Kent wrote:
> At 5:16 PM +0100 5/6/04, Stefan Santesson wrote:
> 
>> I agree with Sharon here.
>>
>> Even though it may sound logical to always also constrain e-mail
>> attributes, changing the standard in this aspect will just break many
>> current implementations and I don't think there is enough motivation for
>> it.
>>
>> I too just see it necessary if no rfc822Name is present.
>>
>> /Stefan
>>
> 
> This is a slightly murky area. The e-mail address attribute is one that 
> we deprecate in 3280.  It is a non-standard way of representing this 
> data; it was widely used in v1 certs, but ought to be scrapped for v3 
> certs. however, is it likely that a CA who goes to the trouble to 
> include the name constraints extension, and who explicitly includes an 
> rfc822name as an alt name, would also have the email address DN 
> attribute as well?  I just wonder if this potential collision is at all 
> likely?
> 
> 
> Steve

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Steve,

Thanks for the thoughtful analysis.  I think you make a good argument 
for why it can be dangerous for one to apply an rfc822name constraint 
to a sub alt name but not an e-mail attribute in a subject name, and 
how the combination might arise.

Steve



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Blake,

The intent wasn't to prohibit the use of v1 CA certificates; they
should be accepted.  The intent was for v3 certificates to align
with PKIX, where both basic constraints and key usage extensions
MUST be present in order to validate signatures on certificates
(i.e. be accepted as a CA).

I don't agree with PKIX; my personal opinion is that key usage
is necessary and sufficient, and basic constraints is just worthless
clutter unless the optional pathLenConstraint field is needed.
However, basic constraints is a MUST in RFC 3280 CA certificates,
and S/MIME applications should not accept certificates that are
not PKIX-conforming.

It would be best to delete Section 4.4.1 entirely, falling
back on section 4.4's "Interpretation and syntax for all
extensions MUST follow [KEYM], unless otherwise specified here."

But if RFC 2632bis does specify something about basic
constraints, that something may refine the meaning
of [KEYM] (RFC 3280), but should not conflict with it:

"Version 3 certificates MUST contain a basicConstraints extension
in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain that extension in end-
entity certificates."


Regards,
Dave



Blake Ramsdell wrote:
> 
>>3.  Section 4.4.1 paragraph 3: "Certificates SHOULD contain a
>>basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
>>that extension in end entity certificates."  In order to avoid
>>inconsistency with PKIX, change to "Certificates MUST contain a
>>basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
>>that extension in end entity certificates."  In other words, a
>>sending and receiving agent is non-compliant if it accepts
>>a v3 certificate without the basicConstraints extension as a CA
>>certificate.
> 
> 
> I worry about this one, and did not change it. This is a material
> softening of the language from PKIX. This has a serious impact on
> implementations because it would force all CA certificates to be v1
> certificates. I am fairly certain that the self-signed roots for many
> current CAs (which I think fit in the definition of "CA certificates")
> are v1 certificates, and thus cannot have this extension.
> 
> Blake
> 
> 



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I agree with Dave Kemp's proposed text.

Russ


At 11:04 AM 5/7/2004 -0400, David P. Kemp wrote:

>Blake,
>
>The intent wasn't to prohibit the use of v1 CA certificates; they
>should be accepted.  The intent was for v3 certificates to align
>with PKIX, where both basic constraints and key usage extensions
>MUST be present in order to validate signatures on certificates
>(i.e. be accepted as a CA).
>
>I don't agree with PKIX; my personal opinion is that key usage
>is necessary and sufficient, and basic constraints is just worthless
>clutter unless the optional pathLenConstraint field is needed.
>However, basic constraints is a MUST in RFC 3280 CA certificates,
>and S/MIME applications should not accept certificates that are
>not PKIX-conforming.
>
>It would be best to delete Section 4.4.1 entirely, falling
>back on section 4.4's "Interpretation and syntax for all
>extensions MUST follow [KEYM], unless otherwise specified here."
>
>But if RFC 2632bis does specify something about basic
>constraints, that something may refine the meaning
>of [KEYM] (RFC 3280), but should not conflict with it:
>
>"Version 3 certificates MUST contain a basicConstraints extension
>in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain that extension in end-
>entity certificates."
>
>
>Regards,
>Dave
>
>
>
>Blake Ramsdell wrote:
>>
>>>3.  Section 4.4.1 paragraph 3: "Certificates SHOULD contain a
>>>basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
>>>that extension in end entity certificates."  In order to avoid
>>>inconsistency with PKIX, change to "Certificates MUST contain a
>>>basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
>>>that extension in end entity certificates."  In other words, a
>>>sending and receiving agent is non-compliant if it accepts
>>>a v3 certificate without the basicConstraints extension as a CA
>>>certificate.
>>
>>I worry about this one, and did not change it. This is a material
>>softening of the language from PKIX. This has a serious impact on
>>implementations because it would force all CA certificates to be v1
>>certificates. I am fairly certain that the self-signed roots for many
>>current CAs (which I think fit in the definition of "CA certificates")
>>are v1 certificates, and thus cannot have this extension.
>>Blake
>



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| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org 
| [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell
| Sent: May 6, 2004 1:45 AM
| To: 'Sean P. Turner'
| Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org
| Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt

cut .....| 

| 
| Para 5: I'd like to add a security consideration about why it 
| might not be good to send CRLs: "CRLs sent with the message 
| impose concern when the signer's certificate is revoked, but 
| the signer purposely includes a valid CRL but not the most 
| recent CRL without the signer's serialNumber thereby 
| providing a false verification". (or something like that)
| 
| [bcr] I took a hack at this. If there's any concerns, we'll 
| address them in IETF-wide last call.

I would argue that it is not the presence of the CRL which is the concern,
rather it is the use of the signing time provided by the signer to verify CRL
validity which is the base concern.  In fact this same concern applies if the
signing time is used to judge whether the certificate is expired or not (CRL's
may not include cert serialNumber for revoked expired certs).

Please see:
http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/msg01855.html 

and possibly the security caution following would suffice?:

"The signing time in the message cannot be trusted if the signing key
has been compromised.  Thus the signing time should not be used as
the "current time" when performing certificate expiry or revocation
checking as per KEYM."

Tony




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	Title		: S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling
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br>
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ree 
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  years ago as insurers see the financial rewards of identifying the exact=
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<p>Insurance claims in the US run into the hundreds of millions of dollars=
 each 
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s <br>
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or <br>
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br>
  the money paid out when the findings of an investigator determines that =
<br>
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ion 
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void 
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d <br>
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e <br>
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r>
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br>
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t for 
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, <br>
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<br>
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o <br>
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r>
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 <br>
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th <br>
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<br>
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 <br>
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 <br>
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 <br>
  any attempt to create one from scratch would be an undertaking of great =
time 
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<p>Many companies, organizations, and government agencies have approached =
<br>
  DPRI for the purpose of contractually paying for database access. DPRI h=
as <br>
  entered negotiations to allow database access, and as a measure of its v=
alue, 
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  closed on a contract to receive $1,000,000 from a single company for acc=
ess 
  <br>
  to the database for a 10-year period. This is just the start of what sho=
uld 
  be <br>
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<p>Insurance Related Stock Investments - The Key To Success:<br>
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  Hathaway empire (trading at over $80,000 per share) on the explosive cas=
h <br>
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  reinsurance giant General Re. </p>
<p>DPRI is being force-fed ever increasing amounts of business by the lead=
ing 
  <br>
  core of this very successful sector but has remained below the radar of =
<br>
  investors, thus creating a share price that is artificially undervalued.=
 DPRI 
  <br>
  has the proven experience that fosters escalating revenues and growth. B=
ased 
  <br>
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 any 
  <br>
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 <br>
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<p>Forward Looking Statements and Disclosure: Wall Street Wire (WSW) <br>
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hat 
  <br>
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>
  professional investment advisor before purchasing any stock. WSW is not =
<br>
  offering securities for sale or solicitation of any offer to buy or sell=
 <br>
  securities. WSW has received thirty thousand dollars from a third party =
for 
  <br>
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  compensation there is an inherent conflict of interest in our statements=
 and 
  <br>
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br>
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<p>assumptions and expectations involving various risks and uncertainties,=
 that 
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Dear S/MIME WG:

New version has been submitted for draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis.

The IESG considered this document on their telechat yesterday, and the new 
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statements are changed, so I do not anticipate any concerns from the 
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--NextPart

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)
	Author(s)	: R. Housley
	Filename	: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3369bis-04.txt
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<p>ERHC and ExxonMobil exercise priority rights on highly sought after oil=
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<p>Every major newswire service worldwide has carried hundreds of articles=
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rices 
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<P>=0A&nbsp; <BR>=0A&nbsp; <BR>=0A&nbsp; <BR>=0A&nbsp; From; Movmule Robert=
<BR>=0A<BR>=0AEmail:movmule_rob@maktoob.com <BR>=0A<BR>=0A<BR>=0AA CRY FOR =
HELP<BR>=0A<BR>=0A<BR>=0A<BR>=0ADear Sir/Madam <BR>=0A<BR>=0AWith warm hear=
t I offer my friendship, and my greetings, and I hope this letter meets you=
 in good time and in your good mood .It will be surprising to you to receiv=
e this proposal from me since you do not know me personally. However, I am =
sincerely seeking your confidence in this transaction, which I propose with=
 my free mind and as a person of integrity.<BR>=0A<BR>=0AMy name is Movette=
 Robert, the son of Zhiri Mulete, a farmer from Zimbabwe, murdered in the l=
and dispute in my country. As led by my instinct, I decided to contact you =
through email, after searching for contacts via the internet, as it is the =
only means I can contact anybody since I am cutting off ties with Zimbabwe =
for now. I apologize if this is not acceptable to you. <BR>=0A<BR>=0AThe pu=
rpose of this letter is to seek your most needed assistance in a business v=
enture. Due to the land and political problems in Zimbabwe, as a result of =
President Robert Mugabe's introduction of new Land Act Reform wholly affect=
ing the rich white farmers and the few rich black farmers, all white farmer=
s were asked to surrender their farms to the government for re-distribution=
 and infact to his political party members and my father though black was t=
he treasuryof the farmers association and a strong member of an opposition =
party that did not support the president idea. He then ordered his party me=
mbers and the police under his pay roll to invade my father's farm and burn=
 down everything in the farm. They killed my father and took away a lot of =
items from his farm.<BR>=0A<BR>=0AAfter the death of my father, our local p=
astor and a close friend of my father handed us over the will documents wit=
h instructions from my father that we should leave Zimbabwe incase anything=
 happens to him. The will documents has a certificate of deposit, confirmin=
g a deposit kept in custody for us in a security company unknown to the com=
pany that the content is money hence it was deposited as personal belonging=
s. This money totaling ($12.5m US dollars) was deposited with this Private =
Trust and Security Company for security reasons, and was to be used for the=
 purchase of land, new machines and chemicals establishment of new farms in=
 Botswana. <BR>=0A<BR>=0AThis violent and barbaric act by Mugabe has since =
led to the death of my beloved mother and kid sister and other innocent liv=
es.<BR>=0A<BR>=0AI was continually threatened to abandon my inheritance fro=
m my father after he was murdered. I resisted for a while, but when the dan=
ger became unbearable, and I survived two murder attempts, I fled Zimbabwe =
with the help of my father's close friend. <BR>=0A<BR>=0AI am currently sta=
ying in a refugee camp where I am seeking political asylum. In fact my deci=
sion to come here to seek asylum, is because the security company from Sout=
h Africa, has a branch here, I have contacted them to move the safe deposit=
 from their office in Johannesburg , which they have since done. <BR>=0A<BR=
>=0AI need to transfer this money to an account and invest part of the mone=
y. Since the law prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any bank accou=
nt or to be involved in any financial transaction, this is why I am seeking=
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d, hence this proposal to you.<BR>=0A<BR>=0AYou have to understand that thi=
s decision taken by me is a very big and brave one, and it entrusts my futu=
re and in your hands, as a result of the safe keeping of this money. <BR>=
=0A<BR>=0AIf you accept to assist me, all I want you to do for me, is to as=
sist with arrangements to claim the deposit from the security company from =
their office in Europe, as it has now been transferred from Johannesburg, S=
outh Africa to their branch in Europe. The company will be legally informed=
 of you representing me.<BR>=0A<BR>=0A<BR>=0AFor your assistance, I have tw=
o options for you. Firstly you can choose to have 25% of the money for your=
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ey to be deposited here or transferred to your nominated bank account, and =
we will make arrangement on how we will meet and disburse it, or you can go=
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r reply. <BR>=0A<BR>=0AI have also set aside 5 % of this money for all kind=
s of expenses that come our way in the process of this transaction, and 5% =
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se of his transaction. <BR>=0A<BR>=0A<BR>=0AYour reply should be sent to my=
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b.com =0A=0A=0AA CRY FOR HELP=0A=0A=0A=0ADear Sir/Madam =0A=0AWith warm hea=
rt I offer my friendship, and my greetings, and I hope this letter meets yo=
u in good time and in your good mood .It will be surprising to you to recei=
ve this proposal from me since you do not know me personally. However, I am=
 sincerely seeking your confidence in this transaction, which I propose wit=
h my free mind and as a person of integrity.=0A=0AMy name is Movette Robert=
, the son of Zhiri Mulete, a farmer from Zimbabwe, murdered in the land dis=
pute in my country. As led by my instinct, I decided to contact you through=
 email, after searching for contacts via the internet, as it is the only me=
ans I can contact anybody since I am cutting off ties with Zimbabwe for now=
. I apologize if this is not acceptable to you. =0A=0AThe purpose of this l=
etter is to seek your most needed assistance in a business venture. Due to =
the land and political problems in Zimbabwe, as a result of President Rober=
t Mugabe's introduction of new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich wh=
ite farmers and the few rich black farmers, all white farmers were asked to=
 surrender their farms to the government for re-distribution and infact to =
his political party members and my father though black was the treasuryof t=
he farmers association and a strong member of an opposition party that did =
not support the president idea. He then ordered his party members and the p=
olice under his pay roll to invade my father's farm and burn down everythin=
g in the farm. They killed my father and took away a lot of items from his =
farm.=0A=0AAfter the death of my father, our local pastor and a close frien=
d of my father handed us over the will documents with instructions from my =
father that we should leave Zimbabwe incase anything happens to him. The wi=
ll documents has a certificate of deposit, confirming a deposit kept in cus=
tody for us in a security company unknown to the company that the content i=
s money hence it was deposited as personal belongings. This money totaling =
($12.5m US dollars) was deposited with this Private Trust and Security Comp=
any for security reasons, and was to be used for the purchase of land, new =
machines and chemicals establishment of new farms in Botswana. =0A=0AThis v=
iolent and barbaric act by Mugabe has since led to the death of my beloved =
mother and kid sister and other innocent lives.=0A=0AI was continually thre=
atened to abandon my inheritance from my father after he was murdered. I re=
sisted for a while, but when the danger became unbearable, and I survived t=
wo murder attempts, I fled Zimbabwe with the help of my father's close frie=
nd. =0A=0AI am currently staying in a refugee camp where I am seeking polit=
ical asylum. In fact my decision to come here to seek asylum, is because th=
e security company from South Africa, has a branch here, I have contacted t=
hem to move the safe deposit from their office in Johannesburg , which they=
 have since done. =0A=0AI need to transfer this money to an account and inv=
est part of the money. Since the law prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to=
 open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction, this=
 is why I am seeking a genuine and reliable partner, whose account this mon=
ey can be transferred, hence this proposal to you.=0A=0AYou have to underst=
and that this decision taken by me is a very big and brave one, and it entr=
usts my future and in your hands, as a result of the safe keeping of this m=
oney. =0A=0AIf you accept to assist me, all I want you to do for me, is to =
assist with arrangements to claim the deposit from the security company fro=
m their office in Europe, as it has now been transferred from Johannesburg,=
 South Africa to their branch in Europe. The company will be legally inform=
ed of you representing me.=0A=0A=0AFor your assistance, I have two options =
for you. Firstly you can choose to have 25% of the money for your assistanc=
e, and helping me claim the money and open an account for the money to be d=
eposited here or transferred to your nominated bank account, and we will ma=
ke arrangement on how we will meet and disburse it, or you can go into part=
nership with me for the proper profitable investment of the money in your c=
ountry. Whichever the option you want, please to notify me in your reply. =
=0A=0AI have also set aside 5 % of this money for all kinds of expenses tha=
t come our way in the process of this transaction, and 5% for Charity donat=
ion. If you prefer to accept the 25% for your moral and financial assistanc=
e then 65% will be left in the account for me. =0A=0A=0APlease, I want to y=
ou maintain the absolute secrecy for the purpose of his transaction. =0A=0A=
=0AYour reply should be sent to my private email address only [Movette Robe=
rt; movmule_rob@maktoob.com I look forward to your reply and co-operation, =
and I thank you in advance as I anticipate your co-operation.=0A=0ASincerel=
y, =0AMovette Robert Mulete=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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protocols like
PGP etc. are also interesting to me&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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surveys
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?!?!?!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Hi Juergen,

<snip>
>There are some good surveys about spam, viruses etc - 
>but I didn't  find something interesting about encrypted eMails.

Due to the absence of a working key-distribution system
encrypted mail is mainly a nice theory.  You will probably
get messages from people claiming that they are "encrypting
e-mails all the time" but they do not represent the bulk of the
Internet users.

Actually, there is a de-facto system for secured messaging
that has considerable advantages over S/MIME and that is to
use e-mail notifications containing https links to web-sites
where the user can (after authentication) access messages which
does not have to be encrypted as the communication between
the web-site and the user is protected by SSL.  This scheme
also allows a user signing off that he or she really has seen
(downloaded) a message.  This is the scheme e-governments
will most likely use for C2G messaging.

Another problem with message encryption on a wider scale
is that if you lose the encryption key you probably lose the
information as well.

Anders R



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Several analysts are willing to sell you surveys regarding the use of
encrypted e-mail.  Full disclosure: I'm a contributing consultant with one
of these firms, Ferris Research (www.ferris.com).

With regard to web-based secure e-mail (as sold by Tumbleweed, ZixCorp,
Sigaba, Authentica, and others), they are probably the most commonly used
solution, though they are not, strictly speaking "e-mail".  They are
excellent for a B2C environment, but have significant issues when deployed
in a B2B situation.

Another system that is gaining popularity is domain (border) encryption
using S/MIME gateways.  This is in use today by the FDA and Pharmas, as well
as in New Zealand's SEEMail system.  In addition, the Open Group and
Massachusetts Health Data Consortium (the latter of which I also consult
for), are developing a product certification program for these.  The primary
driver for this is to allow MA healthcare organizations to have
HIPAA-compliant e-mail with business partners.

Indeed systems that require broad deployment of PKI are considered
non-starters by most organizations I've worked with.

-ben-
Ben Littauer
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> From: "Anders Rundgren" <anders.rundgren@telia.com>
> Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:32:35 +0200
> To: "Juergen H" <jha@aon.at>, <ietf-smime@imc.org>
> Subject: Re: Survey about S/MIME or the use of encrypted eMails in general
> 
> 
> Hi Juergen,
> 
> <snip>
>> There are some good surveys about spam, viruses etc -
>> but I didn't  find something interesting about encrypted eMails.
> 
> Due to the absence of a working key-distribution system
> encrypted mail is mainly a nice theory.  You will probably
> get messages from people claiming that they are "encrypting
> e-mails all the time" but they do not represent the bulk of the
> Internet users.
> 
> Actually, there is a de-facto system for secured messaging
> that has considerable advantages over S/MIME and that is to
> use e-mail notifications containing https links to web-sites
> where the user can (after authentication) access messages which
> does not have to be encrypted as the communication between
> the web-site and the user is protected by SSL.  This scheme
> also allows a user signing off that he or she really has seen
> (downloaded) a message.  This is the scheme e-governments
> will most likely use for C2G messaging.
> 
> Another problem with message encryption on a wider scale
> is that if you lose the encryption key you probably lose the
> information as well.
> 
> Anders R



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"Juergen H" <jha@aon.at> writes:

>Does anybody know where to find some good surveys about the use of encrypted
>eMails. I think that the amount of peoples who use S/MIME, PGP etc is very
>small? (smaller than 5-10% ?!?!?!)

Far less than that, from (very informal) analysis of MTA logs carried out by a
few people a year or so back when comparing STARTTLS with conventional mail
encryption (S/MIME, PGP, etc), the latter is lost in the noise level (the
result of the survey was that a year after its introduction, STARTTLS was
protecting more mail than all other email security protocols combined).

Peter.



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<p>The US Government is pushing for increasing development of the area to =
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"Juergen H" <jha@aon.at> writes:

>Does anybody know where to find some good surveys about the use of encrypted
>eMails. I think that the amount of peoples who use S/MIME, PGP etc is very
>small? (smaller than 5-10% ?!?!?!)

Far less than that, from (very informal) analysis of MTA logs carried out by a
few people a year or so back when comparing STARTTLS with conventional mail
encryption (S/MIME, PGP, etc), the latter is lost in the noise level (the
result of the survey was that a year after its introduction, STARTTLS was
protecting more mail than all other email security protocols combined).

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Several analysts are willing to sell you surveys regarding the use of
encrypted e-mail.  Full disclosure: I'm a contributing consultant with one
of these firms, Ferris Research (www.ferris.com).

With regard to web-based secure e-mail (as sold by Tumbleweed, ZixCorp,
Sigaba, Authentica, and others), they are probably the most commonly used
solution, though they are not, strictly speaking "e-mail".  They are
excellent for a B2C environment, but have significant issues when deployed
in a B2B situation.

Another system that is gaining popularity is domain (border) encryption
using S/MIME gateways.  This is in use today by the FDA and Pharmas, as well
as in New Zealand's SEEMail system.  In addition, the Open Group and
Massachusetts Health Data Consortium (the latter of which I also consult
for), are developing a product certification program for these.  The primary
driver for this is to allow MA healthcare organizations to have
HIPAA-compliant e-mail with business partners.

Indeed systems that require broad deployment of PKI are considered
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> From: "Anders Rundgren" <anders.rundgren@telia.com>
> Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:32:35 +0200
> To: "Juergen H" <jha@aon.at>, <ietf-smime@imc.org>
> Subject: Re: Survey about S/MIME or the use of encrypted eMails in general
> 
> 
> Hi Juergen,
> 
> <snip>
>> There are some good surveys about spam, viruses etc -
>> but I didn't  find something interesting about encrypted eMails.
> 
> Due to the absence of a working key-distribution system
> encrypted mail is mainly a nice theory.  You will probably
> get messages from people claiming that they are "encrypting
> e-mails all the time" but they do not represent the bulk of the
> Internet users.
> 
> Actually, there is a de-facto system for secured messaging
> that has considerable advantages over S/MIME and that is to
> use e-mail notifications containing https links to web-sites
> where the user can (after authentication) access messages which
> does not have to be encrypted as the communication between
> the web-site and the user is protected by SSL.  This scheme
> also allows a user signing off that he or she really has seen
> (downloaded) a message.  This is the scheme e-governments
> will most likely use for C2G messaging.
> 
> Another problem with message encryption on a wider scale
> is that if you lose the encryption key you probably lose the
> information as well.
> 
> Anders R



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Hi Juergen,

<snip>
>There are some good surveys about spam, viruses etc - 
>but I didn't  find something interesting about encrypted eMails.

Due to the absence of a working key-distribution system
encrypted mail is mainly a nice theory.  You will probably
get messages from people claiming that they are "encrypting
e-mails all the time" but they do not represent the bulk of the
Internet users.

Actually, there is a de-facto system for secured messaging
that has considerable advantages over S/MIME and that is to
use e-mail notifications containing https links to web-sites
where the user can (after authentication) access messages which
does not have to be encrypted as the communication between
the web-site and the user is protected by SSL.  This scheme
also allows a user signing off that he or she really has seen
(downloaded) a message.  This is the scheme e-governments
will most likely use for C2G messaging.

Another problem with message encryption on a wider scale
is that if you lose the encryption key you probably lose the
information as well.

Anders R



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This document is the product of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group. 

The IESG contact persons are Russ Housley and Steve Bellovin.

Technical Summary

  This document defines S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail
  extensions) version 3.1.  S/MIME provides a consistent way to send and
  receive secure MIME data.  Digital signatures provide authentication,
  message integrity, and non-repudiation with proof of origin.
  Encryption provides data confidentiality.  Compression can be used to
  reduce data size.

Working Group Summary

  The S/MIME Working Group came to rough consensus on this document.

Protocol Quality

  This document was reviewed by Russ Housley for the IESG.

RFC Editor Note

  Please make five changes.

  1. Please add a line to the document header to indicate that
     the published RFC will obsolete RFC 2633.

     NEW:

       Obsoletes: 2633

  2. Please replace the first sentence of the Abstract to indicate
     that the document will obsolete RFC 2633 when published as
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     OLD:

       This document defines S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet
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     NEW:

       This document defines S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet
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  3. Please change the heading on section 1.5.

     OLD:

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     NEW:

       1.5 Changes Since S/MIME v3

  4. In section 2.5.2.1, please change the capitalization of
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     OLD:

       ... set to the value rC2-CBC as defined in [CMSALG].

     NEW:

       ... set to the value rc2-cbc as defined in [CMSALG].

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     OLD:

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	Title		: S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling
	Author(s)	: B. Ramsdell
	Filename	: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-06.txt
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| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org 
| [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell
| Sent: May 6, 2004 1:45 AM
| To: 'Sean P. Turner'
| Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org
| Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt

cut .....| 

| 
| Para 5: I'd like to add a security consideration about why it 
| might not be good to send CRLs: "CRLs sent with the message 
| impose concern when the signer's certificate is revoked, but 
| the signer purposely includes a valid CRL but not the most 
| recent CRL without the signer's serialNumber thereby 
| providing a false verification". (or something like that)
| 
| [bcr] I took a hack at this. If there's any concerns, we'll 
| address them in IETF-wide last call.

I would argue that it is not the presence of the CRL which is the concern,
rather it is the use of the signing time provided by the signer to verify CRL
validity which is the base concern.  In fact this same concern applies if the
signing time is used to judge whether the certificate is expired or not (CRL's
may not include cert serialNumber for revoked expired certs).

Please see:
http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/mail-archive/msg01855.html 

and possibly the security caution following would suffice?:

"The signing time in the message cannot be trusted if the signing key
has been compromised.  Thus the signing time should not be used as
the "current time" when performing certificate expiry or revocation
checking as per KEYM."

Tony




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I agree with Dave Kemp's proposed text.

Russ


At 11:04 AM 5/7/2004 -0400, David P. Kemp wrote:

>Blake,
>
>The intent wasn't to prohibit the use of v1 CA certificates; they
>should be accepted.  The intent was for v3 certificates to align
>with PKIX, where both basic constraints and key usage extensions
>MUST be present in order to validate signatures on certificates
>(i.e. be accepted as a CA).
>
>I don't agree with PKIX; my personal opinion is that key usage
>is necessary and sufficient, and basic constraints is just worthless
>clutter unless the optional pathLenConstraint field is needed.
>However, basic constraints is a MUST in RFC 3280 CA certificates,
>and S/MIME applications should not accept certificates that are
>not PKIX-conforming.
>
>It would be best to delete Section 4.4.1 entirely, falling
>back on section 4.4's "Interpretation and syntax for all
>extensions MUST follow [KEYM], unless otherwise specified here."
>
>But if RFC 2632bis does specify something about basic
>constraints, that something may refine the meaning
>of [KEYM] (RFC 3280), but should not conflict with it:
>
>"Version 3 certificates MUST contain a basicConstraints extension
>in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain that extension in end-
>entity certificates."
>
>
>Regards,
>Dave
>
>
>
>Blake Ramsdell wrote:
>>
>>>3.  Section 4.4.1 paragraph 3: "Certificates SHOULD contain a
>>>basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
>>>that extension in end entity certificates."  In order to avoid
>>>inconsistency with PKIX, change to "Certificates MUST contain a
>>>basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
>>>that extension in end entity certificates."  In other words, a
>>>sending and receiving agent is non-compliant if it accepts
>>>a v3 certificate without the basicConstraints extension as a CA
>>>certificate.
>>
>>I worry about this one, and did not change it. This is a material
>>softening of the language from PKIX. This has a serious impact on
>>implementations because it would force all CA certificates to be v1
>>certificates. I am fairly certain that the self-signed roots for many
>>current CAs (which I think fit in the definition of "CA certificates")
>>are v1 certificates, and thus cannot have this extension.
>>Blake
>



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Blake,

The intent wasn't to prohibit the use of v1 CA certificates; they
should be accepted.  The intent was for v3 certificates to align
with PKIX, where both basic constraints and key usage extensions
MUST be present in order to validate signatures on certificates
(i.e. be accepted as a CA).

I don't agree with PKIX; my personal opinion is that key usage
is necessary and sufficient, and basic constraints is just worthless
clutter unless the optional pathLenConstraint field is needed.
However, basic constraints is a MUST in RFC 3280 CA certificates,
and S/MIME applications should not accept certificates that are
not PKIX-conforming.

It would be best to delete Section 4.4.1 entirely, falling
back on section 4.4's "Interpretation and syntax for all
extensions MUST follow [KEYM], unless otherwise specified here."

But if RFC 2632bis does specify something about basic
constraints, that something may refine the meaning
of [KEYM] (RFC 3280), but should not conflict with it:

"Version 3 certificates MUST contain a basicConstraints extension
in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain that extension in end-
entity certificates."


Regards,
Dave



Blake Ramsdell wrote:
> 
>>3.  Section 4.4.1 paragraph 3: "Certificates SHOULD contain a
>>basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
>>that extension in end entity certificates."  In order to avoid
>>inconsistency with PKIX, change to "Certificates MUST contain a
>>basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
>>that extension in end entity certificates."  In other words, a
>>sending and receiving agent is non-compliant if it accepts
>>a v3 certificate without the basicConstraints extension as a CA
>>certificate.
> 
> 
> I worry about this one, and did not change it. This is a material
> softening of the language from PKIX. This has a serious impact on
> implementations because it would force all CA certificates to be v1
> certificates. I am fairly certain that the self-signed roots for many
> current CAs (which I think fit in the definition of "CA certificates")
> are v1 certificates, and thus cannot have this extension.
> 
> Blake
> 
> 



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Steve,

Thanks for the thoughtful analysis.  I think you make a good argument 
for why it can be dangerous for one to apply an rfc822name constraint 
to a sub alt name but not an e-mail attribute in a subject name, and 
how the combination might arise.

Steve



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From: Steve Hanna <Steve.Hanna@Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: RFC 3280 bug in name constraints
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Here's a practical example where this problem
might arise. Assume that two companies, A and B,
have cross-certified (maybe through a bridge CA,
maybe directly). The cross certificate from A to B
includes a name constraint of type rfc822Name
with permittedSubtrees of b.com. The CA for B
(or perhaps a rebellious or poorly managed
subsidiary CA) issues a certificate to an
individual with an EmailAddress attribute
with the value "prez@a.com" in the subject DN
and a subject alt name of type rfc822Name
with the value "peon@b.com".

Under the current text in RFC 3280 and under
Stefan's proposed revised text, a relying
party whose trust anchor is A will consider
this certificate perfectly valid. Unless their
email software is smart enough to know that
an EmailAddress attribute in the subject DN
is not checked for name constraints when
there's also a subject alt name and therefore
the EmailAddress attribute must be ignored,
the email software will be glad to verify
email claiming to be from prez@a.com if the
signature can be verified with this certificate.

Why is this a problem? Because the name constraints
extension in the cross certificate was supposed
to prevent relying parties in A from accepting
certificates from B when an email address outside
of b.com as the subject DN or subject alt name.

I have cc'd this email to the smime WG. Maybe they
will tell me not to worry. Email clients are smart
enough to know that if a valid certificate contains
a subject alt name, then the EmailAddress attribute
in the subject DN cannot be trusted. But I don't
think email clients do this check. I certainly can't
find any language in RFC 2632 and its successor warning
people to do this.

Either RFC 3280 should consider the cert described
above as invalid or RFC 2632 should warn email developers
to ignore an EmailAddress attribute in the subject DN
if the certificate contains a subject alt name. Otherwise,
I think we have a security hole. Given the choice between
these two options, I'd rather change RFC 3280. Why?
First, I don't think that cert should be valid. Second,
it's usually easier to change the path validation code
and get that deployed (via an OS patch or equivalent)
than to change the email client code.

Thanks,

Steve

Stephen Kent wrote:
> At 5:16 PM +0100 5/6/04, Stefan Santesson wrote:
> 
>> I agree with Sharon here.
>>
>> Even though it may sound logical to always also constrain e-mail
>> attributes, changing the standard in this aspect will just break many
>> current implementations and I don't think there is enough motivation for
>> it.
>>
>> I too just see it necessary if no rfc822Name is present.
>>
>> /Stefan
>>
> 
> This is a slightly murky area. The e-mail address attribute is one that 
> we deprecate in 3280.  It is a non-standard way of representing this 
> data; it was widely used in v1 certs, but ought to be scrapped for v3 
> certs. however, is it likely that a CA who goes to the trouble to 
> include the name constraints extension, and who explicitly includes an 
> rfc822name as an alt name, would also have the email address DN 
> attribute as well?  I just wonder if this potential collision is at all 
> likely?
> 
> 
> Steve

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Schaad [mailto:jimsch@nwlink.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:50 PM
> To: 'Blake Ramsdell'; ietf-smime@imc.org
> Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt
> 
> 1.  Do we need to review the  RSA key sizes on certificate 
> verification,
> 4096 is soon to be a common key size I think and should be 
> supported.  I
> don't know that 512 should not be dropped from MUST to SHOULD.

I'm not feeling this one on the 4096 end. I'm leaving it alone for now.
If anyone feels strongly, speak up.

On the 512 end... I think making implementations support 512 is fine.

> 2.  I just noticed that 4.4.2.1 does not have a corresponding 
> section for
> RSA.  In point of fact this may now be in CMSALG and 
> therefore not needed.
> (i.e. remove 4.4.2.1)

Agreed -- this is covered in [KEYMALG]. Removed.

Blake



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Schaad [mailto:jimsch@nwlink.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:29 PM
> To: 'Blake Ramsdell'
> Cc: Ietf-Smime
> Subject: Comments on draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt
> 
> 1.  Section 2.2.1:  In the following text,  I have a problem 
> with "PKIX" as
> oppose to X.509 Identity Certificates, esp as PKIX now has a 
> definition for
> ACs.

Switched to PKIX.

> 2.  Section 2.2.1, p 3: s/suerceded/superseded/ --- I didn't 
> believe it but
> I looked it up.

Fixed.

> 3.  Section 2.3:  The following statements don't agree:
> 
> Receiving agents MUST be able to handle an arbitrary number of
> certificates of arbitrary relationship to the message sender and to
> each other in arbitrary order. 
> 
> A receiving agent
> SHOULD be able to handle an arbitrarily large number of certificates
> and chains.

Switched to MUST.

> 5. Section 3:  Please define the type of field for 
> pkcs-9-at-emailAddress.
> (I think it's IA5 string but can't swear to it off the top of 
> my head.)

It is indeed IA5String. Added:

Note that this attribute MUST be encoded as IA5String.

> 6.  Section 5: s/noticable/noticeable/

Fixed.

> 7.  Section 5: s/message,if/message, if/

Fixed.

Blake



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Comments inline, marked with [bcr]:

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[mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Sean P. Turner
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:45 AM
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Para 1, 2nd sentence: Replace "MUST certify that the public" with "MUST
verify that the public". 

[bcr] Fixed.

Para 1.1, ASN.1 references- Why do these point to X.680-680 while the
2633bis ASN.1 references point to X.208-209. Shouldn't they point to the
same thing? 

[bcr] Fixed.

Para 1.1, Certificate definition: Replace "binds an entity's
distinguished name" with "binds an entity's name". 

[bcr] Fixed.

Para 2.3, 5th para,  Can add a pointer to the path building ID/RFC from
PKIX? 

[bcr] Hoo. Dangerous. There seems to be blocking risk here that I don't
think is warranted (that is, when is draft-ietf-pkix-certpathbuild going
to be completed?) I'm leaving it out for right now.

Para 2.3, 5th para 2nd sentence, Replace "Other methods of building
certificate chains may be supported" with "Other methods of building
certificate chains MAY be supported" 

[bcr] Fixed.

Para 5: I'd like to add a security consideration about why it might not
be good to send CRLs: "CRLs sent with the message impose concern when
the signer's certificate is revoked, but the signer purposely includes a
valid CRL but not the most recent CRL without the signer's serialNumber
thereby providing a false verification". (or something like that)

[bcr] I took a hack at this. If there's any concerns, we'll address them
in IETF-wide last call.

Para 5: The last 4 reasons for a signature and certificate checking to
fail are may not be true if the sig/cert is checked at some future date
after an initial check. Should we add a note to indicate that if the
signature or certificate is verified at some later date they should be
considered "valid" even though one of the four things occurred?

[bcr] I'm not feeling it -- the spirit of this guidance is that "at some
particular point in time when validating a certificate, these things
could fail" without talking about how those failures might be corrected
in the future. I think that's outside the scope, and the point is to
illustrate that at some particular time, some particular things might go
wrong.

Blake



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:46 PM
> To: Blake Ramsdell; ietf-smime@imc.org
> Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt
> 
> 1. Section 1,1, 1st sentence: s/draft/document/

Fixed.

> 2.  Should Section 1,2 reference RFC 3369?

We had this discussion in 2633 about "prior practice" vs. "current
practice". Not changed.

> 3.  Section 1.4: s/MD2 use for certificate signatures 
> discouraged/The use 
> of the MD5 message digest for certificate signatures is discouraged/

Fixed (also s/MD5/MD2/ as you pointed out in a subsequent message).

> 4. Delete Section 1.5 before submitting the document to the IESG.

Fixed.

> 5.  Section 4.4.2 include the following paragraph:
> 
>     If the key usage extension is not specified, receiving 
> clients MUST
>     presume that the digitalSignature and nonRepudiation bits are set.
> 
> Should there be an 'only' in this sentence?

I don't think so -- the critical thing, I think, was to communicate was
that any certificate should be considered useful for signing. Outside of
that, it's up to the client to determine other usage defaults.

> 6.  Section 4.4.4, 2nd paragraph, last sentence.  Add a period.

Fixed.

Blake



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org 
> [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of David P. Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:26 PM
> To: Blake Ramsdell
> Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org
> Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt
> 
> 1.  Section 2.3 para 4: "Agents MAY send CA certificates, that is,
> certificates that are self-signed and can be considered the "root"
> of other chains."   This incorrectly implies that the only kind
> of CA cert is the self-signed kind.  Suggest "Agents MAY send
> CA certificates that are self-signed and ..."

Fixed.

> 2.  Section 4.4 paragraph 2: Why must sending and receiving
> agents correctly handle the listed extensions only when they
> appear in end-entity certificates?  Suggest that sending and
> receiving agents MUST correctly (i.e. in accordance with RFC 3280)
> handle the basic constraints, key usage, AKI, SKI, and SAN extensions
> in end-entity *and CA* certificates.

Fixed.

> 3.  Section 4.4.1 paragraph 3: "Certificates SHOULD contain a
> basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
> that extension in end entity certificates."  In order to avoid
> inconsistency with PKIX, change to "Certificates MUST contain a
> basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain
> that extension in end entity certificates."  In other words, a
> sending and receiving agent is non-compliant if it accepts
> a v3 certificate without the basicConstraints extension as a CA
> certificate.

I worry about this one, and did not change it. This is a material
softening of the language from PKIX. This has a serious impact on
implementations because it would force all CA certificates to be v1
certificates. I am fairly certain that the self-signed roots for many
current CAs (which I think fit in the definition of "CA certificates")
are v1 certificates, and thus cannot have this extension.

Blake



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Timothy J. Miller wrote:

> A question has arisen in the community I support regarding various 
> implementer's interpretation of S/MIME Certificate Handling, section 
> 3.  To quote:
>
> """
> 3. Using Distinguished Names for Internet Mail
>
> End-entity certificates MAY contain an Internet mail address as
> described in [RFC-2822]. The address must be an "addr-spec" as defined
> in Section 3.4.1 of that specification. The email address SHOULD be in
> the subjectAltName extension, and SHOULD NOT be in the subject
> distinguished name.
>
> [...]
>
> Sending agents SHOULD make the address in the From or Sender header in
> a mail message match an Internet mail address in the signer's
> certificate. Receiving agents MUST check that the address in the From
> or Sender header of a mail message matches an Internet mail address,
> if present, in the signer's certificate, if mail addresses are present
> in the certificate. A receiving agent SHOULD provide some explicit
> alternate processing of the message if this comparison fails, which
> may be to display a message that shows the recipient the addresses in
> the certificate or other certificate details.
> """
>
> Most popular S/MIME mail clients absolutely require that the signing 
> cert include an email address, and several clients also absolutely 
> require that the included email address match the sending account-- 
> i.e., if the addresses don't match the clients refuse to send the mail 
> signed.
>
> At least one extremely popular client allows the checking of the cert 
> email address against the sending account to be disabled.
>
> It has been argued to me that the sending client's refusal to sign & 
> send (as opposed an alterative like notifying the user and signing 
> anyway) is a violation of the RFC because Sec. 3 does not specify what 
> action the client should take when the addresses don't match.  
> Therefore (it is argued) not checking the addresses at all is actually 
> better compliance than checking and refusing to send.

My first thought was "oh we could just put a line in about notifying the
user" and be done with it. But, if an sending agent's implemeter doesn't
support the check but does support a notice - it seems funny to present
the notice and then have the client not do anything about what the user
picks.  Then again if the people arguing the other side of the argument
might have some words - let them propose them (granted I'm sure we
hacked this out long ago).

>
> I have argued back in turn that the decision to send or not send is 
> the implementer's, and the RFC is correctly silent on the issue.  IOW, 
> refusal to send is not a divergence at all, just as it isn't a 
> divergence to skip the check.
>
> I'm curious whether there a consensus from the group on this subject.

I think it's fine the way it is because there is no way (at present) to
keep the From and Sender headers from being changed (think of all the
mail lists). Therefore, it seems like a silly thing to force "sending"
implementations to do on outbound email messages.

spt






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A part from the question you put it is interesting to note that
your e-mail certificate as well as mine follows the industry-
standard with respect to e-mail address representation.
That the S/MIME RFC "violates" the industry-standard is
IMHO an error that should be corrected.

/anders
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy J. Miller" <tmiller@mitre.org>
To: <ietf-smime@imc.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 22:09
Subject: Interpreting Certificate Handling section 3.


A question has arisen in the community I support regarding various 
implementer's interpretation of S/MIME Certificate Handling, section 3. 
  To quote:

"""
3. Using Distinguished Names for Internet Mail

End-entity certificates MAY contain an Internet mail address as
described in [RFC-2822]. The address must be an "addr-spec" as defined
in Section 3.4.1 of that specification. The email address SHOULD be in
the subjectAltName extension, and SHOULD NOT be in the subject
distinguished name.

[...]

Sending agents SHOULD make the address in the From or Sender header in
a mail message match an Internet mail address in the signer's
certificate. Receiving agents MUST check that the address in the From
or Sender header of a mail message matches an Internet mail address,
if present, in the signer's certificate, if mail addresses are present
in the certificate. A receiving agent SHOULD provide some explicit
alternate processing of the message if this comparison fails, which
may be to display a message that shows the recipient the addresses in
the certificate or other certificate details.
"""

Most popular S/MIME mail clients absolutely require that the signing 
cert include an email address, and several clients also absolutely 
require that the included email address match the sending account-- 
i.e., if the addresses don't match the clients refuse to send the mail 
signed.

At least one extremely popular client allows the checking of the cert 
email address against the sending account to be disabled.

It has been argued to me that the sending client's refusal to sign & 
send (as opposed an alterative like notifying the user and signing 
anyway) is a violation of the RFC because Sec. 3 does not specify what 
action the client should take when the addresses don't match.  Therefore 
(it is argued) not checking the addresses at all is actually better 
compliance than checking and refusing to send.

I have argued back in turn that the decision to send or not send is the 
implementer's, and the RFC is correctly silent on the issue.  IOW, 
refusal to send is not a divergence at all, just as it isn't a 
divergence to skip the check.

I'm curious whether there a consensus from the group on this subject.

-- 
-- Timothy J. Miller
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