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Attention the Owner;
From; Mr Emeka Echidinor
e-mail;echidinor@yahoo.com

Topic;       Notification Letter on Investment and
Establishment  Programme;

With regard to my need for an overseas partner to be
trusted in confidence I crave your indulgence as i
contact you in such a surprising manner regarding
what is currently happening in Liberian the killing,
the misery of up to 200,000people living without
shelter and food.
I am a Liberian Citizen my name is Emeka Echidinor
25 years old first son of the former Liberian
Mineral Resouces Minister Mr Enoch Echidinor  who served
under  President Charles Taylor Government
My Father  was killed by the Rebel Liberians
United For Reconciliation and Democracy (LURD) on his
way to attend an urgent meeting with Charles Taylor the
rebels ambush his convoy and hit him with a missile he was
immediately rushed to an Hospital by his body guard before
he died in the Hospital before his death he gave me the sum of
US$22.5M cash from part of the money he made from
Mineral rich , Liberian'Exports i.e sales of Diamond,
Gold, Copper and Iron Ore When he was in power as
the Minister of Mineral Resouces for 5 years under President
Charles Taylor, He gave me this money
immediately the rebels overthrew his Government,
asking me to run for my dear life to start a new life
in any part of the world apart from Africa.and he adviced me
to take care of My Family of Three with My Mother.
Fortunately, I was able to move this money in packaged
consignment  through a special arrangement with a
Security Company to Ghana, where I was only given a
temporary asylum in , as i did not want to
invest this money in  Africa due to unstable
political and econimic condition, The money has been
kept in a secret vault with a Security Company(
K.C. Financial Security Company) in a
suspence account so that I cannot lay my hands  on the
money until it gets to the Country abroad where i
would commence investment by purchasing goods and
services of your production you may make available as
i believe in working in confident co-operation with
you,To consolidate your effort to assist me on my
business proposal you can confidently make your
reference from the News Times International  of July
2003 edition or CNN NEWS for your perusal.
In line with the closed door meeting held with the
board of directors of the Security Company. The
Security Company has promised to assist me to move the
packaged consignment diplomatically through a
trustworthy foreign partner who shall be prepared to
receive the delivery of the packaged consignment on my
behalf on arrival.
I am soliciting for your assistance asan honest,
gentle and trustworthy foreign partner to kindly
assist me claim the money on my behalf from the
Security Company on arrival. you shall be entitled to
15% of the total amount for your assistance,5% shall
be earmarked for all expenses incurred during the
process of this transaction while the remaining 80%
shall be invested  or any profitable
business ventures in your Country, with you as my
foreign partner, I shall furnish you more details
relating to the progressive movement of the cash
package consignment to be scheduled in your favour by
the security Company.
As this transaction is highly confidencial in nature,
you should enclose your private e-mailaddress and fax
numbers for easy communication regarding the
importance of this transaction to me as my only hope
in life. this is because i would like to reside and
settle in your Country. you should communicate to me
through my private  e-mail address 
echidinor@yahoo.com Most importantly, acknowledge
receipt to this proposal.
Best regards,
Mr Emeka Echidinor

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Russ --- Subject: No More Spam From Fakes Web Titans Seek Standard To Authenticate Senders And Thwart Junk E-Mail By RIVA RICHMOND DOW JONES NEWSWIRES June 9, 2004; Page D9 NEW YORK -- Names just don't have the value they used to -- at least when it comes to e-mail. After all, spammers, virus writers and identity thieves now regularly affix fake names to their e-mail messages in hopes of conning users into opening them and evading block lists. Take a message today from "Sonia Sauders," subject line "Re: Hey cutie." It could have been a note from a college chum, but was actually a pitch for porn. With billions of these messages cluttering e-mail in boxes every day, there's simply no trusting a name anymore. But this could change soon, if Internet heavyweights such as Microsoft Corp., Yahoo Inc., Time Warner Inc.'s America Online unit and EarthLink Inc. have their way. These otherwise fierce rivals are working together to come up with standard technologies for authenticating e-mail senders, which the companies say will make it easier for mail recipients to beat back spam, scams and viruses. Internet service and Web e-mail providers and others in the industry say broad agreement on a technology is vital to getting the large-scale adoption that's needed to stop e-mail "spoofing," as the use of fake sender names is known. The companies are looking at new technology that could be adopted in the coming months. These include easy and cheap technologies for verifying e-mail senders' domain names, as well as more effective, but also more complicated and expensive, systems for attaching and viewing actual proof of e-mail senders' identities. Once rolled out, e-mail authentication is "going to have a major impact" on spam, says Miles Libbey, antispam product manager for Yahoo Mail. "That's not to say the spammers won't adapt...but it's a critical thing to have in place." Internet companies, inundated by customer complaints about e-mail blights, say authentication would help them clean up in boxes because real names could be separated out -- and questionable names singled out for blocking or special scrutiny. It would also help them track down and prosecute e-mail's abusers. The simplest authentication approach is being promoted aggressively by Microsoft and AOL. In this type of system, a receiving e-mail server attempts to verify whether the domain name in a sender's e-mail address comes from an authorized computer. This is done by dispatching a quick query to the computers that hold the central records for Internet addresses, known as the Domain Name System, to check whether the domain name and the numerical "IP address" generated by the computer go together. Both DNS records and IP addresses are difficult to spoof, but experts warn that miscreants could get around such "IP-based" systems, at least in the early stages of adoption, by using e-mail servers that don't publish their identities in the DNS record. Also, an IP-based system wouldn't work in all situations, such as with forwarded messages. Two IP-based proposals have been under consideration: Microsoft's Caller ID, and Sender Policy Framework, or SPF, which has been championed by AOL. SPF was created by Meng Wong, the co-founder of Pobox.com, an e-mail forwarding service owned by IC Group of Philadelphia. In late May, Microsoft and Mr. Wong agreed to merge their proposals, which industry players say will likely pave the way for quick industry adoption. Although some experts had seen implementation as a year or two away, Microsoft expects a merged technology to be finalized this month and says it could be taken up by big ISPs "several months" later. The technology will be made available for free, Microsoft says. Both Microsoft and AOL say they would like to see a more-advanced, key-based system implemented, too, but believe that should be step No. 2. In key-based systems, cryptographic keys and digital signatures are used by the sending e-mail server to assert the sender's identity and by the receiving server to confirm that identity. Big industry players are most interested in a key-based technology developed by Yahoo called DomainKeys, which authenticates the domain name in e-mail headers. Yahoo's Mr. Libbey says that adopting an IP-based system would be a positive step, but that DomainKeys solves the e-mail authentication problem better, in large part because it works in cases such as forwarded messages. DomainKeys, which involves changing how both outbound and inbound e-mails are processed, will be open-source and royalty-free. There are other key-based options, too. Tumbleweed Communications Corp., an e-mail security company, is advocating the use of its S/MIME, a protocol already in use for encryption of messages. Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of misunderstanding about S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption technology. He argues it's also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway authentication technology, and that its quality advantages make it the best choice. Tumbleweed would like to work with Yahoo to merge their technologies. Yahoo plans to begin using DomainKeys on its own network this year, and says it's working with others in the industry to advance DomainKeys' adoption, including Sendmail and Qmail, two popular open-source e-mail server software programs. Sendmail Inc., which implements e-mail systems, last week said it would sponsor public testing of both DomainKeys and the merged Caller-ID/SPF technology when it becomes available. But all the giants on the front lines of the war on spam warn against false hopes that authentication will eliminate e-mail woes or bring peace. "Like bad colds and taxes, spam in some way or form will always be lurking around," says AOL spokesman Nicholas J. Graham. Spammers are resilient and tenacious, but "we are hopeful that [authentication technology] will meet the test, that it will take a very large chunk of spammers out of the game." 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Probably off-topic, but I just have to add my $0.02: This was debated on the cryptography list a week or two back, and before that in another forum, the general feeling ranged from it being almost completely ineffective through to marginally effective, and nothing like the optimistic: Once rolled out, e-mail authentication is "going to have a major impact" on spam, says Miles Libbey, antispam product manager for Yahoo Mail. "That's not to say the spammers won't adapt...but it's a critical thing to have in place." in the article. The protocols mentioned in the article are all some variant on the "build a big wall around the Internet and only let the good guys in", which will never work because the Internet doesn't contain any definable inside and outside, only 800 million Manchurian candidates waiting to activate. For example MessageLabs recently reported that *two thirds* of all the spam it blocks is from infected PCs, with much of it coming from ADSL/cable modem IP pools. 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Best Regards, Winfred Masters http://rd.yahoo.com/waqahpk/*http://rodriguez.refifast.biz/p3/ke.php?uid=57 No thanks http://rd.yahoo.com/qvvzyej/*http://www.refifast.biz/r1/index.html Mail instructions to: Rojas Group Box 549 Springfield, OH 45504 paris ceq consist gregory expressway compelled ambush cloakroom aristocracy rheology revelry petri descend waxen diminutive spoilage balled metamorphic fireplace silica cumulate colossi usa automatic daddy phenomenal cocklebur roister shipbuilding salisbury december flaky bien ----05084177698488433-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Jun 14 18:14:49 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA07486 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ELecuf028290; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5ELec4T028289; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ELebhs028282 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apache@megatron.ietf.org) Received: from apache by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BZxcU-0006MZ-Si; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:59:50 -0400 X-test-idtracker: no From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Cc: Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor , smime mailing list , smime chair , smime chair Subject: Protocol Action: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling' to Proposed Standard Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:59:50 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has approved the following document: - 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling ' as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Russ Housley and Steve Bellovin. Technical Summary This document specifies conventions for X.509 certificate usage by S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) agents. S/MIME provides a method to send and receive secure MIME messages, and certificates are an integral part of S/MIME agent processing. S/MIME agents validate certificates as described in RFC 3280, the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and CRL Profile. S/MIME agents must meet the certificate processing requirements in this document as well as those in RFC 3280. Working Group Summary The S/MIME Working Group came to rough consensus on this document. Protocol Quality This document was reviewed by Russ Housley for the IESG. RFC Editor Note Please make the following changes in order to insert an appropriate reference to the ASN.1 specification. Also, the definitions of BER and DER are deleted since they are not used in the body of the text. Finally, the [SMIME-MSG] reference is changed to point to the most current specification, which is already in the RFC Editor queue. 1. Please add a reference to the definition of ASN.1. OLD: ASN.1: Abstract Syntax Notation One, as defined in ITU-T X.208. NEW: ASN.1: Abstract Syntax Notation One, as defined in ITU-T X.208 [X.208-88]. 2. Please delete the definition of BER and DER. OLD: BER: Basic Encoding Rules for ASN.1, as defined in ITU-T X.209. Certificate: A type that binds an entity's name to a public key with a digital signature. This type is defined in the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure (PKIX) Certificate and CRL Profile [KEYM]. This type also contains the distinguished name of the certificate issuer (the signer), an issuer-specific serial number, the issuer's signature algorithm identifier, a validity period, and extensions also defined in that document. Certificate Revocation List (CRL): A type that contains information about certificates whose validity an issuer has prematurely revoked. The information consists of an issuer name, the time of issue, the next scheduled time of issue, a list of certificate serial numbers and their associated revocation times, and extensions as defined in [KEYM]. The CRL is signed by the issuer. The type intended by this specification is the one defined in [KEYM]. DER: Distinguished Encoding Rules for ASN.1, as defined in ITU-T X.690. NEW: Certificate: A type that binds an entity's name to a public key with a digital signature. This type is defined in the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure (PKIX) Certificate and CRL Profile [KEYM]. This type also contains the distinguished name of the certificate issuer (the signer), an issuer-specific serial number, the issuer's signature algorithm identifier, a validity period, and extensions also defined in that document. Certificate Revocation List (CRL): A type that contains information about certificates whose validity an issuer has prematurely revoked. The information consists of an issuer name, the time of issue, the next scheduled time of issue, a list of certificate serial numbers and their associated revocation times, and extensions as defined in [KEYM]. The CRL is signed by the issuer. The type intended by this specification is the one defined in [KEYM]. 3. Please insert a normative reference to the ASN.1 specification. OLD: [SMIME-MSG] "S/MIME Version 3 Message Specification ", Internet Draft draft-ietf-smime-msg NEW: [SMIME-MSG] "S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification ", Internet Draft draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09 [X.208-88] ITU-T. Recommendation X.208: Specification of Abstract Syntax Notation One (ASN.1). 1988. 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Disappear in your city bannedcd2004 http://b9002hosting.com/CD/ ,icosahedral ,diction ,berenices ,actinide . ----642178770027917-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Jun 14 22:52:48 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA24961 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F2Nmff082953; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5F2NmE5082952; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:23:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-dub.microsoft.com (mail-dub.microsoft.com [213.199.128.160]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F2Nl3A082907 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:23:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefans@microsoft.com) Received: from dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.196.22]) by mail-dub.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:23:44 +0100 Received: from 65.53.196.22 by dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:23:44 +0100 Received: from EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.44]) by dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:23:43 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4527F.C753D126" Subject: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:23:44 +0100 Message-ID: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D010E434D@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates Thread-Index: AcRSXSJDwCa9S0eORoGBWf3ztt7ORwAHu9eA From: "Stefan Santesson" To: "smime mailing list" Cc: "smime chair" , "smime chair" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2004 02:23:43.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7C8DB10:01C4527F] Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4527F.C753D126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Santesson Program Manager, Windows Security Principal Consultant, Microsoft Denmark Please find attached a proposed updated charter which would incorporate the task to define means to carry SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates. This revised charter has been reviewed and approved by Russ Hously on the condition that this WG accept to take on this task. We had a discussion on this issue in PKIX which some of you may have noticed where a majority concluded that this was a good thing to do but the post discussion, especially with Russ, also concluded that SMIME is probably the best place to do it and not PKIX. The background of this work item is the need to establish knowledge about opponents SMIME Capabilities, even before a first message exchange. We will never escape the fact that a sender of an encrypted mail some times will have to guess the recipients cryptographic capabilities. In other situations the sender may have access to multiple sources of data with conflicting information so the sender should always be prepared to use the most recent and reliable source of information. But in absence of any information at all, the sender have to fallback to default configuration settings. It would thus improve the situation if CAs, especially enterprise CAs, that knows or even have the capability to dictate the capabilities of users, could include the PKCS#9 SMIMECapabilities attribute in certificates. One such solution is in practical use since quite some time now. Both Microsoft CAs and e-mail clients have since long the capabilities to include and extract users SMIME Capabilities in certificates using this PKCS#9 attribute as a certificate extension. This work item should hopefully therefore be a rather simple to conclude since the PKCS#9 attribute is already defined and used in SMIME for this purpose, and one way of using this attribute in certificates is already in widespread use. 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This work will not impact any S/MIME message profiles, but we may consider addressing this new extension in the Certificate Handling document (or future version of it). /Stefan > -----Original Message----- > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] > Sent: den 17 juni 2004 21:24 > To: Stefan Santesson; 'smime mailing list' > Cc: 'smime chair'; 'smime chair' > Subject: RE: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Santesson > > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:24 PM > > To: smime mailing list > > Cc: smime chair; smime chair > > Subject: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates > > > > It would thus improve the situation if CAs, especially enterprise CAs, > > that knows or even have the capability to dictate the capabilities of > > users, could include the PKCS#9 SMIMECapabilities attribute in > > certificates. > > OK, so as far as I can tell, what's being asked is as follows: > > * Modification of the ietf-smime charter to allow for the discussion of > a profile of the SMIME Capabilities extension to be included in X.509 > certificates > > * The actual discussion of such a thing on the ietf-smime mailing list > > * Creation of one or more drafts to summarize the consensus, ultimately > resulting in one or more RFCs in the S/MIME working group > > This all sounds like stuff we can do. If there's something I'm missing, > someone point it out, otherwise it seems reasonable to undertake this > work in the working group. > > One other thing we should probably discuss is whether or not this effort > has any impact on S/MIME message processing, and if we need to address > that. > > Blake From dwgeoiqhywbyj@orc.ru Fri Jun 18 20:16:43 2004 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA03534 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BbTXH-0007Al-IG for smime-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:16:43 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BbTTe-0006Ai-00 for smime-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:12:58 -0400 Received: from [217.25.213.37] (helo=132.151.6.1) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BbTR0-0004x2-00; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:10:16 -0400 X-Message-Info: ECS161pXwma098wbl11PK26+iaBL543Sqr Received: from mail3125.xtb.ciaoweb.it ([18.246.149.204]) by scm810-zz49.ciaoweb.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); 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The SFL source code files and documents are freely available at . The SFL implements the IETF S/MIME v3 RFC 3369 Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) and RFC 2634 Enhanced Security Services (ESS) specifications. It implements portions of the RFC 2633 Message Specification, RFC 2632 Certificate Handling, and RFC 3370 CMS Algorithms specifications. When used in conjunction with the Crypto++ freeware library, the SFL implements the RFC 2631 Diffie-Hellman (D-H) Key Agreement Method specification. It has been successfully tested using the Microsoft (MS) Windows 2000/XP, Linux and Sun Solaris 2.8 operating systems. Further enhancements, ports and testing of the SFL are still in process. Further releases of the SFL will be provided as significant capabilities are added. The SFL has been successfully used to sign, verify, encrypt and decrypt CMS/ESS objects using: DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES algorithms provided by the Crypto++ library; RSA suite of algorithms provided by the RSA BSAFE 6.0 Crypto-C and Crypto++ libraries; and Fortezza suite of algorithms provided by the Fortezza Crypto Card. The v2.4 SFL uses the v2.4 Certificate Management Library (CML) and v1.6 Enhanced SNACC (eSNACC) ASN.1 C++ Library to encode/decode objects. The v2.4 SFL release includes: SFL High-level library; Free (a.k.a. Crypto++) Crypto Token Interface Library (CTIL); BSAFE CTIL; Fortezza CTIL; SPEX/ CTIL; PKCS #11 CTIL; Microsoft CAPI v2.0 CTIL; test utilities; test drivers; and test data. All CTILs were tested as Dynamically Linked Libraries (DLL) using MS Windows. The Fortezza, BSAFE and Crypto++ CTILs were tested with the respective security libraries as shared objects using Linux and Solaris 2.8. 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The use of the v2.4 CTIL API is described in the v2.4 CTIL API document. v2.4 SFL includes the following enhancements (compared to v2.3 SFL and CTIL releases): 1) Added support for the creation and processing of the RFC 3161-compliant Time Stamp Token content type. 2) Enhanced API to accomodate reciept hash. 3) Enhanced ASN.1 encode/decode functions with "Certificate Management Messages over CMS". v2.4 CTILs include the following enhancements (compared to v2.3 release): 1) Added PKCS#11 interface for Crypto++. 2) Added key generation library for generating public/private key pairs, wrapping the private keys, and generating PKCS#12 files. 3) Added support for RFC 2437 PKCS #1 Optimal Asymetric Encryption Padding (RSAES-OAEP) key transport method of key management. The SFL is developed to maximize portability to 32-bit operating systems. In addition to testing on MS Windows, Linux and Solaris 2.8, we may port the SFL to other operating systems. All source code for the SFL is being provided at no cost and with no financial limitations regarding its use and distribution. Organizations can use the SFL without paying any royalties or licensing fees. DigitalNet is developing the SFL under contract to the U.S. Government. The U.S. Government is furnishing the SFL source code at no cost to the vendor subject to the conditions of the "SFL Public License". On 14 January 2000, the U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of Export Administration published a new regulation implementing an update to the U.S. Government's encryption export policy . In accordance with the revisions to the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) of 14 Jan 2000, the downloading of the SFL source code is not password controlled. The SFL is composed of a high-level library that performs generic CMS and ESS processing independent of the crypto algorithms used to protect a specific object. The SFL high-level library makes calls to an algorithm-independent CTIL API. The underlying, external crypto token libraries are not distributed as part of the SFL source code. The application developer must independently obtain these libraries and then link them with the SFL. The SFL uses the CML and eSNACC ASN.1 Library to encode/decode certificates, ACs, CRLs and components thereof. The CML is freely available at: . The SFL has been successfully tested in conjunction with the Access Control Library (ACL) that is freely available to everyone from: . The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is providing test S/MIME messages (created by DigitalNet) at . DigitalNet used the SFL to successfully process the NIST test data. NIST is using the SFL and CML as part of the NIST S/MIME Test Facility (NSMTF) that they are planning to host (see ). Vendors will be able to use the NSMTF to help determine if their products comply with the IETF S/MIME v3 specifications and the Federal S/MIME v3 Client Profile. The SFL has been integrated into many applications to provide CMS/ESS security services. For example, the SFL was integrated into a security plug-in for a commercial e-mail application that enabled the application to meet the Bridge Certification Authority Demonstration Phase II requirements including implementing ESS features such as security labels. The Internet Mail Consortium (IMC) has established an SFL web page . The IMC has also established an SFL mail list which is used to: distribute information regarding SFL releases; discuss SFL-related issues; and provide a means for SFL users to provide feedback, comments, bug reports, etc. Subscription information for the imc-sfl mailing list is at the IMC web site listed above. All comments regarding the SFL source code and documents are welcome. This SFL release announcement was sent to several mail lists, but please send all messages regarding the SFL to the imc-sfl mail list ONLY. Please do not send messages regarding the SFL to any of the IETF mail lists. We will respond to all messages sent to the imc-sfl mail list. -- Matthew J. Bertapelle DigitalNet Government Solutions, LLC www.DigitalNet.com --------------030905080900040904080104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
All,

DigitalNet Government Solutions has delivered the Version 2.4 S/MIME Freeware Library (SFL) source code.  The SFL source code files and documents are freely available at 
<http://www.digitalnet.com/knowledge/sfl_home.htm>.  

The SFL implements the IETF S/MIME v3 RFC 3369 Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) and RFC 2634 Enhanced Security Services (ESS) specifications.  It implements portions of the RFC 2633 Message Specification, RFC 2632 Certificate Handling, and RFC 3370 CMS Algorithms specifications.  When used in conjunction with the Crypto++ freeware library, the SFL implements the RFC 2631 Diffie-Hellman (D-H) Key Agreement Method 
specification.  It has been successfully tested using the Microsoft (MS) Windows 2000/XP, Linux and Sun Solaris 2.8 operating systems.  Further enhancements, ports and testing of the SFL are still in process.  Further releases of the SFL will be provided as significant capabilities are added. 

The SFL has been successfully used to sign, verify, encrypt and decrypt 
CMS/ESS objects using: DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES algorithms provided by the 
Crypto++ library; RSA suite of algorithms provided by the RSA BSAFE 6.0
Crypto-C and Crypto++ libraries; and Fortezza suite of algorithms 
provided by the Fortezza Crypto Card.  The v2.4 SFL uses the v2.4 
Certificate Management Library (CML) and v1.6 Enhanced SNACC (eSNACC) 
ASN.1 C++ Library to encode/decode objects.  The v2.4 SFL release 
includes: SFL High-level library; Free (a.k.a. Crypto++) Crypto Token
Interface Library (CTIL); BSAFE CTIL; Fortezza CTIL; SPEX/ CTIL; 
PKCS #11 CTIL; Microsoft CAPI v2.0 CTIL; test utilities; test drivers;
and test data.  All CTILs were tested as Dynamically Linked Libraries
(DLL) using MS Windows.  The Fortezza, BSAFE and Crypto++ CTILs
were tested with the respective security libraries as shared objects
using Linux and Solaris 2.8.  

The SFL has been successfully used to exchange signedData and 
envelopedData messages with the MS Internet Explorer Outlook Express 
v4.01, Netscape Communicator 4.X, Entrust and Baltimore S/MIME 
products.  Signed messages have been exchanged with the RSA S/MAIL and 
WorldTalk S/MIME v2 products. 

The SFL has also been used to perform S/MIME v3 interoperability 
testing with Microsoft that exercised the majority of the features 
specified by RFCs 3369, 3370, 2631 and 2634.  This testing included the
RSA, DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES, SHA and Fortezza algorithms.  We used the SFL 
to successfully process the SFL-supported sample data included in the
S/MIME WG "Examples of S/MIME Messages" document.  We also used the
SFL to generate S/MIME v3 sample messages that were included in the 
"Examples" document.

The use of the v2.4 SFL is described in the v2.4 SFL Application 
Programming Interface (API) and v2.4 SFL Software Design Description
documents.  The use of the v2.4 CTIL API is described in the v2.4
CTIL API document. 

v2.4 SFL includes the following enhancements (compared to v2.3
SFL and CTIL releases):

1) Added support for the creation and processing of the RFC 3161-compliant Time Stamp Token content type.

2) Enhanced API to accomodate reciept hash.

3) Enhanced ASN.1 encode/decode functions with "Certificate Management Messages over CMS".

 
v2.4 CTILs include the following enhancements (compared to v2.3 release):

1) Added PKCS#11 interface for Crypto++.

2) Added key generation library for generating public/private 
key pairs, wrapping the private keys, and generating PKCS#12 files.

3) Added support for RFC 2437 PKCS #1 Optimal Asymetric Encryption Padding 
(RSAES-OAEP) key transport method of key management.
The SFL is developed to maximize portability to 32-bit operating 
systems.  In addition to testing on MS Windows, Linux and Solaris 2.8, 
we may port the SFL to other operating systems.

All source code for the SFL is being provided at no cost and with no 
financial limitations regarding its use and distribution. 
Organizations can use the SFL without paying any royalties or 
licensing fees.  DigitalNet is developing the SFL under contract to 
the U.S. Government.  The U.S. Government is furnishing the SFL
source code at no cost to the vendor subject to the conditions of 
the "SFL Public License".

On 14 January 2000, the U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of 
Export Administration published a new regulation implementing an update 
to the U.S. Government's encryption export policy 
<http://www.bxa.doc.gov/Encryption/Default.htm>.  In accordance with 
the revisions to the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) of 14 Jan 
2000, the downloading of the SFL source code is not password controlled.

The SFL is composed of a high-level library that performs generic CMS 
and ESS processing independent of the crypto algorithms used to 
protect a specific object.  The SFL high-level library makes calls to 
an algorithm-independent CTIL API.  The underlying, external crypto
token libraries are not distributed as part of the SFL source code. 
The application developer must independently obtain these libraries and
then link them with the SFL.  
 
The SFL uses the CML and eSNACC ASN.1 Library to encode/decode
certificates, ACs, CRLs and components thereof.  The CML is freely
available at: <http://www.DigitalNet.com/knowledge/cml_home.htm>.

The SFL has been successfully tested in conjunction with the Access
Control Library (ACL) that is freely available to everyone from: 
<http://www.DigitalNet.com/knowledge/acl_home.htm>.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is providing 
test S/MIME messages (created by DigitalNet) at 
<http://csrc.nist.gov/pki/testing/x509paths.html>.  
DigitalNet used the SFL to successfully process the NIST test data.

NIST is using the SFL and CML as part of the NIST S/MIME Test 
Facility (NSMTF) that they are planning to host (see 
<http://csrc.ncsl.nist.gov/pki/smime/>).  Vendors will be able to use
the NSMTF to help determine if their products comply with the
IETF S/MIME v3 specifications and the Federal S/MIME v3 Client Profile. 

The SFL has been integrated into many applications to provide CMS/ESS
security services.  For example, the SFL was integrated into a security
plug-in for a commercial e-mail application that enabled the 
application to meet the Bridge Certification Authority Demonstration 
Phase II requirements including implementing ESS features such as
security labels.

The Internet Mail Consortium (IMC) has established an SFL web page
<http://www.imc.org/imc-sfl>.  The IMC has also established an SFL
mail list which is used to: distribute information regarding SFL
releases; discuss SFL-related issues; and provide a means for SFL
users to provide feedback, comments, bug reports, etc.  Subscription
information for the imc-sfl mailing list is at the IMC web site
listed above.

All comments regarding the SFL source code and documents are welcome.  
This SFL release announcement was sent to several mail lists, but 
please send all messages regarding the SFL to the imc-sfl mail list 
ONLY.  Please do not send messages regarding the SFL to any of the IETF 
mail lists.  We will respond to all messages sent to the imc-sfl mail 
list.
-- 
Matthew J. Bertapelle
DigitalNet Government Solutions, LLC
www.DigitalNet.com

--------------030905080900040904080104-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Jun 22 14:46:10 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA16525 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MIDgl0083885; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5MIDgU5083884; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from pigeon.verisign.com (pigeon.verisign.com [65.205.251.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MIDfXE083876 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbaker@verisign.com) Received: from mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (verisign.com [65.205.251.53]) by pigeon.verisign.com (8.12.11/) with ESMTP id i5MIDhda000984; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "'Craig McGregor'" , Russ Housley , ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > S/MIME gateway software in the context of a 'closed-community' is a > proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail messages > and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed e-mail > messages (providing they were sent from a participating > domain). 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One thing is for SURE so far this year we have not profiled better company with real and stable business. Their product is uniqie So take advantage of this!!! We Believe this is our best stock pick since August 2003!! ************************************************************************* UPTD * UPTD * UPTD * UPTD * UPTD UPTD is real company producing and distributing very HOT product - The "AirVest" is the most revolutionary product to hit the motorsports industry since the helmet. An innovation in high quality safety gear the AirVest acts as a wearable airbag in the event of an accident, helping to protect the rider's chest and back from impact. AirVest is light weight, inflates in milliseconds and is reusable JUST IMAGINE OF THE DEMAND FOR SUCH PRODUCT!!! Breaking News for UPTD: UPTREND Receives Initial Order STRONG BUY! “UPTD” currently trading at $1.01 and is headed to $2.70 Company Profile: UPTREND Corp Symbol: UPTD Current Price: $1.01 Rating: Undervalued Recommendation: STRONG BUY We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $2.70 We Believe the SPECULATIVE LONG TERM TARGET PRICE - $3.52 We Believe this is our best stock pick since August 2003!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We Believe this is our best stock pick since August 2003!! ** This is REAL company with real products and its stock is headed up **** --------->>> NEWS <<<------------------- AUSTIN, Texas, Jun 16, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- UPTREND Corp. (Pink Sheets:UPTD) announced today that it has received an order for 600 AirVests, representing half of its initial 1,200 unit order. The Company received an order for its patented AirVests from a Dallas-based online and mobile retailer. Product is expected to be delivered in the third quarter of 2004 and the Company believes that potential exists for additional orders from this customer later in the year. Robert Bitterli, CEO of UPTREND, said, "This initial order speaks to the excitement surrounding the AirVest product. While the AirVest represents a new safety product for the motorcycle industry, we are extremely encouraged by the progress of our business development executives. We have developed a backlog of diverse sales opportunities. We believe that word-of-mouth advertising, in conjunction with our aggressive direct sales and marketing efforts and those of our retailers and marketing partners, will allow us to continue growing our business rapidly." The "AirVest" is the most revolutionary product to hit the motorsports industry since the helmet. An innovation in high-quality safety gear, the AirVest acts as a wearable airbag in the event of an accident, helping to protect the rider's chest and back from impact. AirVest is light weight, inflates in milliseconds and is reusable. --------------- Disclaimer --------------- Information within this email contains "forward looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, goals, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking statements." Forward looking statements are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. 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----=_EFIYtfXRh6dd-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Jun 24 14:01:50 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA05724 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OHg08b079148; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5OHg0KV079146; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from exchange.microsoft.com ([131.107.8.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OHfxKc079137 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:41:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevorf@microsoft.com) Received: from DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.4.14]) by exchange.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1069); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:03 -0700 Received: from 10.197.0.83 by DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:03 -0700 Received: from df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.241]) by DF-BEG.mercury.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:02 -0700 Received: from DF-SEADOG-MSG.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.243]) by df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:02 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Thread-Index: AcRZKGy4wWin4/4dQd66hE5/ARigdgA6asxA From: "Trevor Freeman" To: "Ben Littauer" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2004 17:42:02.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EF24610:01C45A12] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i5OHfxKc079138 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Ben I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and encoding of how you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken that we need another signature format? Trevor * -----Original Message----- * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM * To: ietf-smime@imc.org * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * * * There's scalability and there's scalability. * * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the directory problem * (i.e. * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem (issuance, * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces the * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the domain * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms * required * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. * * -ben- * * > From: "Trevor Freeman" * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ Housley" * > , * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > Hi Craig, * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real problem * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different signature * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. * > Trevor * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * * > * * > * * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of * > * misunderstanding about * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption technology. He * > * argues it's * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway authentication * > * technology, and * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. 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dwlpwabqk ryqjvbn peovshpm lsemyzmwf ytjfxrep=20fvmcpzsx ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45A1A.C7E1CC90-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Jun 24 20:54:18 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA09812 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P0Kxqv016319; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5P0KxCn016318; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P0Kw38016312 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from littauer@blkk.com) Received: from 146-115-115-31.c3-0.lex-ubr2.sbo-lex.ma.cable.rcn.com ([146.115.115.31] helo=[192.168.2.164]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BdeSl-0000oJ-00 for ietf-smime@imc.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:21:03 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:21:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways From: Ben Littauer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think we're on the same page here. I don't see a need for major changes in the signature format (although the semantics change), but the key distribution mechanism is very important. -ben- > From: "Trevor Freeman" > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:01 -0700 > To: "Ben Littauer" , > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > > > Hi Ben > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing > is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and encoding of how > you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken that we need > another signature format? > Trevor > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. > * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the directory problem > * (i.e. > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem > (issuance, > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces > the > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the > domain > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms > * required > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. > * > * -ben- > * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ > Housley" > * > , > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > > * > > * > Hi Craig, > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real > problem > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different signature > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. > * > Trevor > * > > * > * -----Original Message----- > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of > * > * misunderstanding about > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption > technology. He > * > * argues it's > * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway > authentication > * > * technology, and > * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. Tumbleweed > * > would > * > * like to work > * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. > * > * > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a 'closed-community' is > a > * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail > messages > * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed > e-mail > * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). > And > * > of > * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit > * > eavesdropping > * > * too! > * > * > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an > * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging > though. > * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and > * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a 'closed-community' > * > could > * > * use LDAP). 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The problem is that there is a 5% gap between what S/MIME delivers and what is needed. I think we can close the gap, the key is to throw away the bone headed insistence that some people had concerning the end to end model or nothing. We tried that for ten years, we ended up with nothing. IPSEC makes a lousy VPN protocol for the exact same reason, give me something that really works through a NAT box without complaint any day. What is needed is more than just better discovery protocols, or logos in the certs. We need better client interfaces, we also need an in band signalling mechanism so you know that when S/MIME enhancements are being added that the channel can support them, including stripping them out if some appliance or client turns out not to support them. [Draft to follow] Phill > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Trevor Freeman > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:42 PM > To: Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > > > > Hi Ben > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing > is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and > encoding of how > you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken > that we need > another signature format? > Trevor > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. > * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the > directory problem > * (i.e. > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem > (issuance, > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces > the > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the > domain > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms > * required > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. > * > * -ben- > * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ > Housley" > * > , > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > > * > > * > Hi Craig, > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real > problem > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different > signature > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. > * > Trevor > * > > * > * -----Original Message----- > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of > * > * misunderstanding about > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption > technology. He > * > * argues it's > * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway > authentication > * > * technology, and > * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. > Tumbleweed > * > would > * > * like to work > * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. > * > * > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a > 'closed-community' is > a > * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail > messages > * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed > e-mail > * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). > And > * > of > * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit > * > eavesdropping > * > * too! > * > * > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an > * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging > though. > * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and > * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a > 'closed-community' > * > could > * > * use LDAP). 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From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Jun 25 10:33:38 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04458 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PDCLEE072419; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5PDCLDQ072418; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:12:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from stingray.missi.ncsc.mil (stingray.missi.ncsc.mil [144.51.50.20]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PDCK1V072399 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DPKemp@missi.ncsc.mil) Message-ID: <200406251309.i5PD9PPi011322@stingray.missi.ncsc.mil> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:12:03 -0400 From: "David P. Kemp" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2004 13:12:09.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[05770390:01C45AB6] Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Phill, I'll look forward to the draft, to better understand what is needed beyond user agent enhancements and "better discovery protocols". Client A ---------> GW A -----------> GW B --------> Client B \--------> GW C ---------> Client C 1. Assume no clients support S/MIME, A sends a message to B and C; GW A needs to discover the gateways serving B and C and encrypt to the appropriate GWs. 2. Assume only Client B supports S/MIME, GW A needs to discover GW C and the fact that User B has a cert. 3. Assume only Clients A and B support S/MIME, Client A needs to discover User B's cert and discover GW C's cert as a proxy for email address of user C. An in-band signalling mechanism can only work between signalling- enabled nodes, which I assume means S/MIME-enabled nodes. What kind of signalling is needed other than agreed mechanisms for handling mixtures of "*@foo.com" gateway certs, alice@foo.com user certs, and Bob (no email address, multi-mail-server) user certs. In other words, I don't see what in-band signalling (contained in messages vs. certificates) you have in mind. Of course we bone-heads want to ensure that when end-to-end is available, a MITM can't exploit gateway features to bypass it. But that just means that end-to-end must have priority, not that it's end-to-end or nothing. Dave Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > Trevor, > > The CMS format is fine, 95% of the spec is fine. > > The problem is that there is a 5% gap between what S/MIME delivers > and what is needed. > > I think we can close the gap, the key is to throw away the bone > headed insistence that some people had concerning the end to end model or > nothing. We tried that for ten years, we ended up with nothing. IPSEC makes > a lousy VPN protocol for the exact same reason, give me something that > really works through a NAT box without complaint any day. > > What is needed is more than just better discovery protocols, or > logos in the certs. We need better client interfaces, we also need an in > band signalling mechanism so you know that when S/MIME enhancements are > being added that the channel can support them, including stripping them out > if some appliance or client turns out not to support them. > > [Draft to follow] > > Phill From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Jun 25 11:02:50 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA07660 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PEjHbf081060; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5PEjH76081059; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from exchange.microsoft.com ([131.107.8.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PEjGl4081052 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevorf@microsoft.com) Received: from DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.4.14]) by exchange.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1069); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:18 -0700 Received: from 10.197.0.83 by DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:18 -0700 Received: from df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.241]) by DF-BEG.mercury.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:18 -0700 Received: from DF-SEADOG-MSG.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.243]) by df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:19 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Thread-Index: AcRabwzDCFOKxN9FSR2Q9W4Wq8zjRwAU1neg From: "Trevor Freeman" To: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" , "Ben Littauer" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2004 14:45:19.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[092DDE20:01C45AC3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i5PEjGl4081053 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Phil, I agree that the end-to-end model is part of the problem. There is obvious some ground to cover, but I am much more comfortable just fixing what is broken and reusing what is not. There is no value in reinventing another wheel - life is to short. Trevor * -----Original Message----- * From: Hallam-Baker, Phillip [mailto:pbaker@verisign.com] * Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:44 PM * To: Trevor Freeman; Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * * Trevor, * * The CMS format is fine, 95% of the spec is fine. * * The problem is that there is a 5% gap between what S/MIME delivers * and what is needed. * * I think we can close the gap, the key is to throw away the bone * headed insistence that some people had concerning the end to end model or * nothing. We tried that for ten years, we ended up with nothing. IPSEC * makes * a lousy VPN protocol for the exact same reason, give me something that * really works through a NAT box without complaint any day. * * What is needed is more than just better discovery protocols, or * logos in the certs. We need better client interfaces, we also need an in * band signalling mechanism so you know that when S/MIME enhancements are * being added that the channel can support them, including stripping them * out * if some appliance or client turns out not to support them. * * [Draft to follow] * * Phill * * > -----Original Message----- * > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Trevor Freeman * > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:42 PM * > To: Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > * > Hi Ben * > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing * > is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and * > encoding of how * > you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken * > that we need * > another signature format? * > Trevor * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer * > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM * > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org * > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * * > * * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. * > * * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the * > directory problem * > * (i.e. * > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem * > (issuance, * > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces * > the * > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the * > domain * > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms * > * required * > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. * > * * > * -ben- * > * * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" * > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 * > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ * > Housley" * > * > , * > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > * > * > * > Hi Craig, * > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real * > problem * > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust * > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different * > signature * > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. * > * > Trevor * > * > * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor * > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM * > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org * > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of * > * > * misunderstanding about * > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption * > technology. He * > * > * argues it's * > * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway * > authentication * > * > * technology, and * > * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. * > Tumbleweed * > * > would * > * > * like to work * > * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. * > * > * * > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a * > 'closed-community' is * > a * > * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail * > messages * > * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed * > e-mail * > * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). * > And * > * > of * > * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit * > * > eavesdropping * > * > * too! * > * > * * > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an * > * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging * > though. * > * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and * > * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a * > 'closed-community' * > * > could * > * > * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS * > data * > * > as * > * > * being authorative without any further validation. * > * > * * > * > * Craig. * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * > * > From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Jun 25 12:33:26 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20294 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PG7fnZ088139; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5PG7fhh088138; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from pigeon.verisign.com (pigeon.verisign.com [65.205.251.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PG7efZ088132 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbaker@verisign.com) Received: from mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (verisign.com [65.205.251.53]) by pigeon.verisign.com (8.12.11/) with ESMTP id i5PG7gXs022984; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "'Trevor Freeman'" , "'Ben Littauer'" , "'ietf-smime@imc.org'" Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Absolutely, there is no point in reopening the message format issue. All that does is move us back to the start. The missing 5% is the stuff that is the diference between security for geeks and security for real people. -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Freeman [mailto:trevorf@exchange.microsoft.com] Sent: Fri Jun 25 07:45:20 2004 To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip; Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Hi Phil, I agree that the end-to-end model is part of the problem. There is obvious some ground to cover, but I am much more comfortable just fixing what is broken and reusing what is not. There is no value in reinventing another wheel - life is to short. Trevor * -----Original Message----- * From: Hallam-Baker, Phillip [mailto:pbaker@verisign.com] * Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:44 PM * To: Trevor Freeman; Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * * Trevor, * * The CMS format is fine, 95% of the spec is fine. * * The problem is that there is a 5% gap between what S/MIME delivers * and what is needed. * * I think we can close the gap, the key is to throw away the bone * headed insistence that some people had concerning the end to end model or * nothing. We tried that for ten years, we ended up with nothing. IPSEC * makes * a lousy VPN protocol for the exact same reason, give me something that * really works through a NAT box without complaint any day. * * What is needed is more than just better discovery protocols, or * logos in the certs. We need better client interfaces, we also need an in * band signalling mechanism so you know that when S/MIME enhancements are * being added that the channel can support them, including stripping them * out * if some appliance or client turns out not to support them. * * [Draft to follow] * * Phill * * > -----Original Message----- * > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Trevor Freeman * > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:42 PM * > To: Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > * > Hi Ben * > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing * > is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and * > encoding of how * > you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken * > that we need * > another signature format? * > Trevor * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer * > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM * > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org * > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * * > * * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. * > * * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the * > directory problem * > * (i.e. * > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem * > (issuance, * > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces * > the * > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the * > domain * > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms * > * required * > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. * > * * > * -ben- * > * * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" * > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 * > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ * > Housley" * > * > , * > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > * > * > * > Hi Craig, * > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real * > problem * > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust * > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different * > signature * > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. * > * > Trevor * > * > * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor * > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM * > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org * > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of * > * > * misunderstanding about * > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption * > technology. He * > * > * argues it's * > * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway * > authentication * > * > * technology, and * > * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. * > Tumbleweed * > * > would * > * > * like to work * > * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. * > * > * * > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a * > 'closed-community' is * > a * > * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail * > messages * > * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed * > e-mail * > * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). * > And * > * > of * > * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit * > * > eavesdropping * > * > * too! * > * > * * > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an * > * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging * > though. * > * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and * > * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a * > 'closed-community' * > * > could * > * > * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS * > data * > * > as * > * > * being authorative without any further validation. * > * > * * > * > * Craig. * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * > * > From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Jun 25 13:07:09 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA23726 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PGhkfE090719; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5PGhjqY090718; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from peacock.verisign.com (peacock.verisign.com [65.205.251.73]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PGhjX7090711 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbaker@verisign.com) Received: from mou1wnexc02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (verisign.com [65.205.251.54]) by peacock.verisign.com (8.12.11/) with ESMTP id i5PGhl1p024646; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mou1wnexc02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "'David P. Kemp'" Cc: "'ietf-smime@imc.org'" Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The debate I hope to carry here is that domain keys should be a subset of smime and not try to design yet another message format. That way we can get end to end in the end or at least when relevant. I would guess that you guys also have cases where end to end is not the best approach. Time to ditch the dogma. The real prolem with ideology is that it is usually part way right, problem is that it isn't completely right. -----Original Message----- From: David P. Kemp [mailto:dpkemp@missi.ncsc.mil] Sent: Fri Jun 25 08:03:32 2004 To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Phill, I'll look forward to the draft, to better understand what is needed beyond user agent enhancements and "better discovery protocols". Client A ---------> GW A -----------> GW B --------> Client B \--------> GW C ---------> Client C 1. Assume no clients support S/MIME, A sends a message to B and C; GW A needs to discover the gateways serving B and C and encrypt to the appropriate GWs. 2. Assume only Client B supports S/MIME, GW A needs to discover GW C and the fact that User B has a cert. 3. Assume only Clients A and B support S/MIME, Client A needs to discover User B's cert and discover GW C's cert as a proxy for email address of user C. An in-band signalling mechanism can only work between signalling- enabled nodes, which I assume means S/MIME-enabled nodes. 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Perhaps an e-mail gateway / MTA just needs to know that the other side supports domain-to-domain signing and/or encryption. Perhaps something similar to RFC3183? Or, http://e.govt.nz/see/mail? Or, http://www.mahealthdata.org/initiatives/e-mail/phases.html? But spec'd for use in an open-community rather than a closed-community? Regards, Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Trevor Freeman > Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 5:42 a.m. > To: Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > > > > Hi Ben > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. > Domain signing is a good idea. What has that to do with the > format and encoding of how you sign a message? What part of > CMS is so horribly broken that we need another signature > format? Trevor > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. > * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the > directory problem > * (i.e. > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration > problem (issuance, > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI > reduces the > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. > Solving the domain > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms > * required > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. > * > * -ben- > * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , > "Russ Housley" > * > , > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > > * > > * > Hi Craig, > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The > real problem > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different > signature > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. > * > Trevor > * > > * > * -----Original Message----- > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of > * > * misunderstanding about > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption > technology. 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The company will keep its shareholders updated as this re-completion effort and will make further news releases as new information comes available. ------------------------------------------- We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $1.39 We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $1.60 --------------- Disclaimer --------------- Information within this email contains "forward looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, goals, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking statements." 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Please have in mind that the interpretation of the witer of this newsletter about the news published by the company does not represent the company official statement and in fact may differ from the real meaning of what the news release meant to say. Please read the news release by yourself and judge by yourself about the details in it. In compliance with Section 17(b), we disclose the holding of GDNO shares prior to the publication of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such holdings due to our intent to profit from the liquidation of these shares. Shares may be sold at any time, even after positive statements have been made regarding the above company. Since we own shares, there is an inherent conflict of interest in our statements and opinions. 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One thing is for SURE so far we have not profiled as good company as GDNO in the last 2 months.. So take advantage of this!!! We Believe this is our best stock pick since June 2003!! ************************************************************************* Breaking News for GDNO: Golden Opportunity Resources Inc. - To Farm-in on Re-completion ***GDNO****GDNO****GDNO****GDNO****GDNO****GDNO*** ---------->NEWS ABOVE IS JUST EXPLODING<------------------ ++ URGENT Trading Alert ++ Company Profile Golden Opportunity Resources, Inc., Symbol: GDNO Current Price: $0.40 Rating: Undervalued Recommendation: STRONG BUY We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $1.39 We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $1.60 We Believe this is our best stock pick since June 2003!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We Believe this is our best stock pick since June 2003!! ** This is REAL company with real products and real Revenues **** --------->>> NEWS <<<------------------- MISSOULA, MT, Jun 25, 2004 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Golden Opportunity Resources, Inc., (OTC Pink: GDNO) a Nevada Corporation. The company is pleased to announce that it has entered into an agreement whereby the company can earn a 25% working interest in a previously drilled oil and gas well in Bossier Parish, Louisiana. The farming agreement calls for Golden Opportunity to spend $250,000USD on the re-completion and hook-up for the Rinsland Well to a gas pipeline. Any remaining unused funds from the re-completion will be used for the drilling of an additional well. The Rinsland Well is a multi-zone oil and gas well with multiple re- completion opportunities. The well currently has 2,000 lbs. of pressure on a wellhead surface gauge. This pressure is coming from previously perforated zones from 9,000-9,700 feet. Work is expected to begin on the re-completion next month. The company will keep its shareholders updated as this re-completion effort and will make further news releases as new information comes available. ------------------------------------------- We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $1.39 We Believe the SPECULATIVE NEAR TERM TARGET PRICE is - $1.60 --------------- Disclaimer --------------- Information within this email contains "forward looking statements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, goals, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking statements." Forward looking statements are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as: "projects", "foresee", "expects", "estimates," "believes," "understands" "will," "part of: "anticipates," or that by statements indicating certain actions "may," "could," or "might" occur. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, stocks, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. Emerging Equity Alert advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice. 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Click here: http://gocasino-dollar.com Best regards, Jamie Zawinsky No thanks: http://gocasino-dollar.com/u Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5RKmhTf081661; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5RKmhra081660; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz ([202.36.173.38]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5RKmfcG081652 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:48:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Craig.McGregor@treasury.govt.nz) Received: from juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz (Not Verified[172.20.2.43]) by fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz with Non-Descript e-mail server id ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:48:36 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:48:36 +1200 Message-ID: <14270A31340CCF46A050FEC25B8F50A007CF2C52@juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Thread-Index: AcRZKGy4wWin4/4dQd66hE5/ARigdgA6asxAAAaAWwA= From: "Craig McGregor" To: "Trevor Freeman" , "Ben Littauer" , content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i5RKmgcG081655 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Trevor, I do not believe there is a need for a new signature format - existing S/MIME formats could be used. Perhaps an e-mail gateway / MTA just needs to know that the other side supports domain-to-domain signing and/or encryption. Perhaps something similar to RFC3183? Or, http://e.govt.nz/see/mail? Or, http://www.mahealthdata.org/initiatives/e-mail/phases.html? But spec'd for use in an open-community rather than a closed-community? Regards, Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Trevor Freeman > Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 5:42 a.m. > To: Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > > > > Hi Ben > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. > Domain signing is a good idea. What has that to do with the > format and encoding of how you sign a message? What part of > CMS is so horribly broken that we need another signature > format? Trevor > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. > * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the > directory problem > * (i.e. > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration > problem (issuance, > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI > reduces the > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. > Solving the domain > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms > * required > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. > * > * -ben- > * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , > "Russ Housley" > * > , > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > > * > > * > Hi Craig, > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The > real problem > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different > signature > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. > * > Trevor > * > > * > * -----Original Message----- > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of > * > * misunderstanding about > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption > technology. He > * > * argues it's > * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway > authentication > * > * technology, and > * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. > Tumbleweed > * > would > * > * like to work > * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. > * > * > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a > 'closed-community' is a > * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of > e-mail messages > * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of > spoofed e-mail > * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating > domain). And > * > of > * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit > * > eavesdropping > * > * too! > * > * > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an > * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more > challenging though. > * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and > * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a > 'closed-community' > * > could > * > * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to > trust DNS data > * > as > * > * being authorative without any further validation. > * > * > * > * Craig. > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PGhkfE090719; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5PGhjqY090718; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from peacock.verisign.com (peacock.verisign.com [65.205.251.73]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PGhjX7090711 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbaker@verisign.com) Received: from mou1wnexc02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (verisign.com [65.205.251.54]) by peacock.verisign.com (8.12.11/) with ESMTP id i5PGhl1p024646; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mou1wnexc02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "'David P. Kemp'" Cc: "'ietf-smime@imc.org'" Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The debate I hope to carry here is that domain keys should be a subset of smime and not try to design yet another message format. That way we can get end to end in the end or at least when relevant. I would guess that you guys also have cases where end to end is not the best approach. Time to ditch the dogma. The real prolem with ideology is that it is usually part way right, problem is that it isn't completely right. -----Original Message----- From: David P. Kemp [mailto:dpkemp@missi.ncsc.mil] Sent: Fri Jun 25 08:03:32 2004 To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Phill, I'll look forward to the draft, to better understand what is needed beyond user agent enhancements and "better discovery protocols". Client A ---------> GW A -----------> GW B --------> Client B \--------> GW C ---------> Client C 1. Assume no clients support S/MIME, A sends a message to B and C; GW A needs to discover the gateways serving B and C and encrypt to the appropriate GWs. 2. Assume only Client B supports S/MIME, GW A needs to discover GW C and the fact that User B has a cert. 3. Assume only Clients A and B support S/MIME, Client A needs to discover User B's cert and discover GW C's cert as a proxy for email address of user C. An in-band signalling mechanism can only work between signalling- enabled nodes, which I assume means S/MIME-enabled nodes. What kind of signalling is needed other than agreed mechanisms for handling mixtures of "*@foo.com" gateway certs, alice@foo.com user certs, and Bob (no email address, multi-mail-server) user certs. In other words, I don't see what in-band signalling (contained in messages vs. certificates) you have in mind. Of course we bone-heads want to ensure that when end-to-end is available, a MITM can't exploit gateway features to bypass it. But that just means that end-to-end must have priority, not that it's end-to-end or nothing. Dave Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > Trevor, > > The CMS format is fine, 95% of the spec is fine. > > The problem is that there is a 5% gap between what S/MIME delivers > and what is needed. > > I think we can close the gap, the key is to throw away the bone > headed insistence that some people had concerning the end to end model or > nothing. We tried that for ten years, we ended up with nothing. IPSEC makes > a lousy VPN protocol for the exact same reason, give me something that > really works through a NAT box without complaint any day. > > What is needed is more than just better discovery protocols, or > logos in the certs. We need better client interfaces, we also need an in > band signalling mechanism so you know that when S/MIME enhancements are > being added that the channel can support them, including stripping them out > if some appliance or client turns out not to support them. > > [Draft to follow] > > Phill Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PG7fnZ088139; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5PG7fhh088138; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from pigeon.verisign.com (pigeon.verisign.com [65.205.251.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PG7efZ088132 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbaker@verisign.com) Received: from mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (verisign.com [65.205.251.53]) by pigeon.verisign.com (8.12.11/) with ESMTP id i5PG7gXs022984; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "'Trevor Freeman'" , "'Ben Littauer'" , "'ietf-smime@imc.org'" Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:07:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Absolutely, there is no point in reopening the message format issue. All that does is move us back to the start. The missing 5% is the stuff that is the diference between security for geeks and security for real people. -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Freeman [mailto:trevorf@exchange.microsoft.com] Sent: Fri Jun 25 07:45:20 2004 To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip; Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Hi Phil, I agree that the end-to-end model is part of the problem. There is obvious some ground to cover, but I am much more comfortable just fixing what is broken and reusing what is not. There is no value in reinventing another wheel - life is to short. Trevor * -----Original Message----- * From: Hallam-Baker, Phillip [mailto:pbaker@verisign.com] * Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:44 PM * To: Trevor Freeman; Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * * Trevor, * * The CMS format is fine, 95% of the spec is fine. * * The problem is that there is a 5% gap between what S/MIME delivers * and what is needed. * * I think we can close the gap, the key is to throw away the bone * headed insistence that some people had concerning the end to end model or * nothing. We tried that for ten years, we ended up with nothing. IPSEC * makes * a lousy VPN protocol for the exact same reason, give me something that * really works through a NAT box without complaint any day. * * What is needed is more than just better discovery protocols, or * logos in the certs. We need better client interfaces, we also need an in * band signalling mechanism so you know that when S/MIME enhancements are * being added that the channel can support them, including stripping them * out * if some appliance or client turns out not to support them. * * [Draft to follow] * * Phill * * > -----Original Message----- * > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Trevor Freeman * > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:42 PM * > To: Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > * > Hi Ben * > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing * > is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and * > encoding of how * > you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken * > that we need * > another signature format? * > Trevor * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer * > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM * > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org * > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * * > * * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. * > * * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the * > directory problem * > * (i.e. * > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem * > (issuance, * > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces * > the * > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the * > domain * > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms * > * required * > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. * > * * > * -ben- * > * * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" * > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 * > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ * > Housley" * > * > , * > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > * > * > * > Hi Craig, * > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real * > problem * > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust * > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different * > signature * > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. * > * > Trevor * > * > * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor * > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM * > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org * > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of * > * > * misunderstanding about * > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption * > technology. He * > * > * argues it's * > * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway * > authentication * > * > * technology, and * > * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. * > Tumbleweed * > * > would * > * > * like to work * > * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. * > * > * * > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a * > 'closed-community' is * > a * > * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail * > messages * > * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed * > e-mail * > * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). * > And * > * > of * > * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit * > * > eavesdropping * > * > * too! * > * > * * > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an * > * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging * > though. * > * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and * > * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a * > 'closed-community' * > * > could * > * > * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS * > data * > * > as * > * > * being authorative without any further validation. * > * > * * > * > * Craig. * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * > * > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PEjHbf081060; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5PEjH76081059; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from exchange.microsoft.com ([131.107.8.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PEjGl4081052 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevorf@microsoft.com) Received: from DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.4.14]) by exchange.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1069); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:18 -0700 Received: from 10.197.0.83 by DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:18 -0700 Received: from df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.241]) by DF-BEG.mercury.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:18 -0700 Received: from DF-SEADOG-MSG.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.243]) by df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:19 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:45:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Thread-Index: AcRabwzDCFOKxN9FSR2Q9W4Wq8zjRwAU1neg From: "Trevor Freeman" To: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" , "Ben Littauer" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2004 14:45:19.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[092DDE20:01C45AC3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i5PEjGl4081053 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Phil, I agree that the end-to-end model is part of the problem. There is obvious some ground to cover, but I am much more comfortable just fixing what is broken and reusing what is not. There is no value in reinventing another wheel - life is to short. Trevor * -----Original Message----- * From: Hallam-Baker, Phillip [mailto:pbaker@verisign.com] * Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:44 PM * To: Trevor Freeman; Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * * Trevor, * * The CMS format is fine, 95% of the spec is fine. * * The problem is that there is a 5% gap between what S/MIME delivers * and what is needed. * * I think we can close the gap, the key is to throw away the bone * headed insistence that some people had concerning the end to end model or * nothing. We tried that for ten years, we ended up with nothing. IPSEC * makes * a lousy VPN protocol for the exact same reason, give me something that * really works through a NAT box without complaint any day. * * What is needed is more than just better discovery protocols, or * logos in the certs. We need better client interfaces, we also need an in * band signalling mechanism so you know that when S/MIME enhancements are * being added that the channel can support them, including stripping them * out * if some appliance or client turns out not to support them. * * [Draft to follow] * * Phill * * > -----Original Message----- * > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Trevor Freeman * > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:42 PM * > To: Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > * > Hi Ben * > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing * > is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and * > encoding of how * > you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken * > that we need * > another signature format? * > Trevor * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer * > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM * > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org * > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * * > * * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. * > * * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the * > directory problem * > * (i.e. * > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem * > (issuance, * > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces * > the * > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the * > domain * > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms * > * required * > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. * > * * > * -ben- * > * * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" * > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 * > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ * > Housley" * > * > , * > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > * > * > * > Hi Craig, * > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real * > problem * > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust * > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different * > signature * > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. * > * > Trevor * > * > * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor * > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM * > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org * > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of * > * > * misunderstanding about * > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption * > technology. He * > * > * argues it's * > * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway * > authentication * > * > * technology, and * > * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. * > Tumbleweed * > * > would * > * > * like to work * > * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. * > * > * * > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a * > 'closed-community' is * > a * > * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail * > messages * > * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed * > e-mail * > * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). * > And * > * > of * > * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit * > * > eavesdropping * > * > * too! * > * > * * > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an * > * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging * > though. * > * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and * > * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a * > 'closed-community' * > * > could * > * > * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS * > data * > * > as * > * > * being authorative without any further validation. * > * > * * > * > * Craig. * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * * > * > * > * > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PDCLEE072419; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5PDCLDQ072418; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:12:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from stingray.missi.ncsc.mil (stingray.missi.ncsc.mil [144.51.50.20]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5PDCK1V072399 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DPKemp@missi.ncsc.mil) Message-ID: <200406251309.i5PD9PPi011322@stingray.missi.ncsc.mil> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:12:03 -0400 From: "David P. Kemp" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2004 13:12:09.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[05770390:01C45AB6] Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Phill, I'll look forward to the draft, to better understand what is needed beyond user agent enhancements and "better discovery protocols". Client A ---------> GW A -----------> GW B --------> Client B \--------> GW C ---------> Client C 1. Assume no clients support S/MIME, A sends a message to B and C; GW A needs to discover the gateways serving B and C and encrypt to the appropriate GWs. 2. Assume only Client B supports S/MIME, GW A needs to discover GW C and the fact that User B has a cert. 3. Assume only Clients A and B support S/MIME, Client A needs to discover User B's cert and discover GW C's cert as a proxy for email address of user C. An in-band signalling mechanism can only work between signalling- enabled nodes, which I assume means S/MIME-enabled nodes. What kind of signalling is needed other than agreed mechanisms for handling mixtures of "*@foo.com" gateway certs, alice@foo.com user certs, and Bob (no email address, multi-mail-server) user certs. In other words, I don't see what in-band signalling (contained in messages vs. certificates) you have in mind. Of course we bone-heads want to ensure that when end-to-end is available, a MITM can't exploit gateway features to bypass it. But that just means that end-to-end must have priority, not that it's end-to-end or nothing. Dave Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > Trevor, > > The CMS format is fine, 95% of the spec is fine. > > The problem is that there is a 5% gap between what S/MIME delivers > and what is needed. > > I think we can close the gap, the key is to throw away the bone > headed insistence that some people had concerning the end to end model or > nothing. We tried that for ten years, we ended up with nothing. IPSEC makes > a lousy VPN protocol for the exact same reason, give me something that > really works through a NAT box without complaint any day. > > What is needed is more than just better discovery protocols, or > logos in the certs. We need better client interfaces, we also need an in > band signalling mechanism so you know that when S/MIME enhancements are > being added that the channel can support them, including stripping them out > if some appliance or client turns out not to support them. > > [Draft to follow] > > Phill Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P4i8RL037052; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5P4i83M037051; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:44:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from pigeon.verisign.com (pigeon.verisign.com [65.205.251.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P4i7Vj037045 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:44:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbaker@verisign.com) Received: from mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (verisign.com [65.205.251.53]) by pigeon.verisign.com (8.12.11/) with ESMTP id i5P4iDgZ027975; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:44:13 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "'Trevor Freeman'" , Ben Littauer , ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:44:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Trevor, The CMS format is fine, 95% of the spec is fine. The problem is that there is a 5% gap between what S/MIME delivers and what is needed. I think we can close the gap, the key is to throw away the bone headed insistence that some people had concerning the end to end model or nothing. We tried that for ten years, we ended up with nothing. IPSEC makes a lousy VPN protocol for the exact same reason, give me something that really works through a NAT box without complaint any day. What is needed is more than just better discovery protocols, or logos in the certs. We need better client interfaces, we also need an in band signalling mechanism so you know that when S/MIME enhancements are being added that the channel can support them, including stripping them out if some appliance or client turns out not to support them. [Draft to follow] Phill > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org]On Behalf Of Trevor Freeman > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:42 PM > To: Ben Littauer; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > > > > Hi Ben > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing > is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and > encoding of how > you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken > that we need > another signature format? > Trevor > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. > * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the > directory problem > * (i.e. > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem > (issuance, > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces > the > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the > domain > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms > * required > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. > * > * -ben- > * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ > Housley" > * > , > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > > * > > * > Hi Craig, > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real > problem > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different > signature > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. > * > Trevor > * > > * > * -----Original Message----- > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of > * > * misunderstanding about > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption > technology. He > * > * argues it's > * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway > authentication > * > * technology, and > * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. > Tumbleweed > * > would > * > * like to work > * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. > * > * > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a > 'closed-community' is > a > * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail > messages > * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed > e-mail > * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). > And > * > of > * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit > * > eavesdropping > * > * too! > * > * > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an > * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging > though. > * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and > * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a > 'closed-community' > * > could > * > * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS > data > * > as > * > * being authorative without any further validation. > * > * > * > * Craig. > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P0Kxqv016319; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5P0KxCn016318; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5P0Kw38016312 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from littauer@blkk.com) Received: from 146-115-115-31.c3-0.lex-ubr2.sbo-lex.ma.cable.rcn.com ([146.115.115.31] helo=[192.168.2.164]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BdeSl-0000oJ-00 for ietf-smime@imc.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:21:03 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:21:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways From: Ben Littauer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I think we're on the same page here. I don't see a need for major changes in the signature format (although the semantics change), but the key distribution mechanism is very important. -ben- > From: "Trevor Freeman" > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:01 -0700 > To: "Ben Littauer" , > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > > > Hi Ben > I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing > is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and encoding of how > you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken that we need > another signature format? > Trevor > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer > * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM > * To: ietf-smime@imc.org > * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * There's scalability and there's scalability. > * > * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the directory problem > * (i.e. > * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem > (issuance, > * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces > the > * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the > domain > * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms > * required > * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. > * > * -ben- > * > * > From: "Trevor Freeman" > * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 > * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ > Housley" > * > , > * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > > * > > * > Hi Craig, > * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real > problem > * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust > * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different signature > * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. > * > Trevor > * > > * > * -----Original Message----- > * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor > * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM > * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org > * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of > * > * misunderstanding about > * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption > technology. He > * > * argues it's > * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway > authentication > * > * technology, and > * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. Tumbleweed > * > would > * > * like to work > * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. > * > * > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a 'closed-community' is > a > * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail > messages > * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed > e-mail > * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). > And > * > of > * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit > * > eavesdropping > * > * too! > * > * > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an > * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging > though. > * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and > * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a 'closed-community' > * > could > * > * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS > data > * > as > * > * being authorative without any further validation. > * > * > * > * Craig. > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OHg08b079148; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5OHg0KV079146; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from exchange.microsoft.com ([131.107.8.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5OHfxKc079137 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:41:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevorf@microsoft.com) Received: from DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.4.14]) by exchange.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1069); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:03 -0700 Received: from 10.197.0.83 by DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:03 -0700 Received: from df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.241]) by DF-BEG.mercury.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:02 -0700 Received: from DF-SEADOG-MSG.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.243]) by df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:02 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Thread-Index: AcRZKGy4wWin4/4dQd66hE5/ARigdgA6asxA From: "Trevor Freeman" To: "Ben Littauer" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2004 17:42:02.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EF24610:01C45A12] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i5OHfxKc079138 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Ben I agree there are issues with the trust mechanisms etc. Domain signing is a good idea. What has that to do with the format and encoding of how you sign a message? What part of CMS is so horribly broken that we need another signature format? Trevor * -----Original Message----- * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * On Behalf Of Ben Littauer * Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 AM * To: ietf-smime@imc.org * Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * * * There's scalability and there's scalability. * * The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the directory problem * (i.e. * key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem (issuance, * renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces the * scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the domain * level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms * required * for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. * * -ben- * * > From: "Trevor Freeman" * > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 * > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ Housley" * > , * > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * > * > Hi Craig, * > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real problem * > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust * > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different signature * > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. * > Trevor * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org * > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor * > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM * > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org * > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * > * * > * * > * * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of * > * misunderstanding about * > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption technology. He * > * argues it's * > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway authentication * > * technology, and * > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. Tumbleweed * > would * > * like to work * > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. * > * * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a 'closed-community' is a * > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail messages * > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed e-mail * > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). And * > of * > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit * > eavesdropping * > * too! * > * * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an * > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging though. * > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and * > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a 'closed-community' * > could * > * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS data * > as * > * being authorative without any further validation. * > * * > * Craig. * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > * * > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NLlrCb088118; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5NLlrmE088117; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:47:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NLlqtl088110 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:47:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apache@megatron.ietf.org) Received: from apache by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BdFYN-0003KW-89; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:45:11 -0400 X-test-idtracker: no To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: 'Use of the SEED Encryption Algorithm in CMS' to Proposed Standard Reply-to: iesg@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:45:11 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has received a request from the S/MIME Mail Security WG to consider the following document: - 'Use of the SEED Encryption Algorithm in CMS ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2004-07-07. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-cms-seed-01.txt Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NIOWPd045911; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:24:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5NIOWw9045910; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id i5NIOVbU045903 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 20792 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2004 18:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (141.156.169.145) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2004 18:24:15 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040623142154.030e4138@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:24:35 -0400 To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Content Collection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Please take a look at the following individual contribution. I wrote it because some people are using CMS in environments that do not include MIME. Obviously, S/MIME does not fall into this category. I am asking for review here because this is the IETF WG with the most CMS experience. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-housley-contentcollection-00.txt Thanks, Russ Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NDXVZK086179; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5NDXVWu086178; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5NDXUAg086172 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:33:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from littauer@blkk.com) Received: from 146-115-115-31.c3-0.lex-ubr2.sbo-lex.ma.cable.rcn.com ([146.115.115.31] helo=[192.168.2.164]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1Bd7sW-0005Gq-00 for ietf-smime@imc.org; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:33:28 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:34:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways From: Ben Littauer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: There's scalability and there's scalability. The problem with desktop to desktop PKI is both the directory problem (i.e. key discovery and distribution) and the administration problem (issuance, renewal, and revocation of certificates). Domain-level PKI reduces the scale of both problems by several orders of magnitude. Solving the domain level problems first will perhaps give some clue to the mechanisms required for the desktop implementation, should it ever become required. -ben- > From: "Trevor Freeman" > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 > To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ Housley" > , > Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > > > Hi Craig, > While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real problem > with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust > mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different signature > format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. > Trevor > > * -----Original Message----- > * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] > * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor > * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM > * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org > * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways > * > * > * > * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of > * misunderstanding about > * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption technology. He > * argues it's > * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway authentication > * technology, and > * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. Tumbleweed > would > * like to work > * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. > * > * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a 'closed-community' is a > * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail messages > * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed e-mail > * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). And > of > * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit > eavesdropping > * too! > * > * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an > * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging though. > * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and > * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a 'closed-community' > could > * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS data > as > * being authorative without any further validation. > * > * Craig. > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MIFbX9084228; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5MIFbpq084227; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from exchange.microsoft.com ([131.107.8.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MIFbFL084221 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevorf@microsoft.com) Received: from DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.4.14]) by exchange.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1069); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:40 -0700 Received: from 10.197.0.83 by DF-VRS-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:40 -0700 Received: from df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.241]) by DF-BEG.mercury.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:40 -0700 Received: from DF-SEADOG-MSG.exchange.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.6.243]) by df-fido-msg.exchange.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:16:04 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:15:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Thread-Index: AcROJMpZpnZRpmhFReyXbbbXUgTQ8gJzUPsgACR6MSA= From: "Trevor Freeman" To: "Craig McGregor" , "Russ Housley" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2004 18:16:04.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB04A710:01C45884] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i5MIFbFL084222 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Craig, While I understand you comments about closed groups. The real problem with scaling beyond closed groups is, as you point out, trust mechanisms. What I fail to see is why we need a different signature format to deploy a more scalable trust mechanism. Trevor * -----Original Message----- * From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] * On Behalf Of Craig McGregor * Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:12 PM * To: Russ Housley; ietf-smime@imc.org * Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways * * * * >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of * misunderstanding about * >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption technology. He * argues it's * > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway authentication * technology, and * > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. Tumbleweed would * like to work * > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. * * S/MIME gateway software in the context of a 'closed-community' is a * proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail messages * and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed e-mail * messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). And of * cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit eavesdropping * too! * * Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an * Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging though. * Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and * auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a 'closed-community' could * use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS data as * being authorative without any further validation. * * Craig. * * * * * * * * * * * * Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MIDgl0083885; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5MIDgU5083884; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from pigeon.verisign.com (pigeon.verisign.com [65.205.251.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MIDfXE083876 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbaker@verisign.com) Received: from mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (verisign.com [65.205.251.53]) by pigeon.verisign.com (8.12.11/) with ESMTP id i5MIDhda000984; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mou1wnexc01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "'Craig McGregor'" , Russ Housley , ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:13:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > S/MIME gateway software in the context of a 'closed-community' is a > proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail messages > and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed e-mail > messages (providing they were sent from a participating > domain). And of > cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit > eavesdropping > too! Quite, and don't forget that TLS can add value. > Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an > Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging though. > Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and > auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a > 'closed-community' could > use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust > DNS data as > being authorative without any further validation. Storing keys in the DNS has its place, any technique to obtain a rough authentication of a domain key is worthwhile. I do not think the technique works when you get down to the user level. I entirely disagree on the LDAP issue. I think that LDAP has had its chance as an Internet protocol and the use that it has found will never pass beyond the firewall (which contrary to some thought will not go away). LDAP is a BAD certificate discovery protocol. It provides none of the support that is really needed, except in the simplest trust models where support is unnecessary. XKMS does the job much better. SCVP might prove to be of use, but the time for deploying new ASN.1 based protocols has gone. We have seen the future and it has angle brackets arround it. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MI8JNk082839; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5MI8JM1082835; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from vahqex2.digitalnet.com (netva01.getronicsgov.com [67.105.229.98]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MI8Hrh082800; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:08:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Matt.Bertapelle@DigitalNet.com) Received: from [158.189.2.56] ([158.189.2.56]) by vahqex2.digitalnet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:08:20 -0400 Message-ID: <40D87592.4020104@digitalnet.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:08:18 -0400 From: Matt Bertapelle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: imc-sfl , ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: v2.4 S/MIME Freeware Library (SFL) Now Available Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030905080900040904080104" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2004 18:08:20.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6B66650:01C45883] Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030905080900040904080104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, DigitalNet Government Solutions has delivered the Version 2.4 S/MIME Freeware Library (SFL) source code. The SFL source code files and documents are freely available at . The SFL implements the IETF S/MIME v3 RFC 3369 Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) and RFC 2634 Enhanced Security Services (ESS) specifications. It implements portions of the RFC 2633 Message Specification, RFC 2632 Certificate Handling, and RFC 3370 CMS Algorithms specifications. When used in conjunction with the Crypto++ freeware library, the SFL implements the RFC 2631 Diffie-Hellman (D-H) Key Agreement Method specification. It has been successfully tested using the Microsoft (MS) Windows 2000/XP, Linux and Sun Solaris 2.8 operating systems. Further enhancements, ports and testing of the SFL are still in process. Further releases of the SFL will be provided as significant capabilities are added. The SFL has been successfully used to sign, verify, encrypt and decrypt CMS/ESS objects using: DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES algorithms provided by the Crypto++ library; RSA suite of algorithms provided by the RSA BSAFE 6.0 Crypto-C and Crypto++ libraries; and Fortezza suite of algorithms provided by the Fortezza Crypto Card. The v2.4 SFL uses the v2.4 Certificate Management Library (CML) and v1.6 Enhanced SNACC (eSNACC) ASN.1 C++ Library to encode/decode objects. The v2.4 SFL release includes: SFL High-level library; Free (a.k.a. Crypto++) Crypto Token Interface Library (CTIL); BSAFE CTIL; Fortezza CTIL; SPEX/ CTIL; PKCS #11 CTIL; Microsoft CAPI v2.0 CTIL; test utilities; test drivers; and test data. All CTILs were tested as Dynamically Linked Libraries (DLL) using MS Windows. The Fortezza, BSAFE and Crypto++ CTILs were tested with the respective security libraries as shared objects using Linux and Solaris 2.8. The SFL has been successfully used to exchange signedData and envelopedData messages with the MS Internet Explorer Outlook Express v4.01, Netscape Communicator 4.X, Entrust and Baltimore S/MIME products. Signed messages have been exchanged with the RSA S/MAIL and WorldTalk S/MIME v2 products. The SFL has also been used to perform S/MIME v3 interoperability testing with Microsoft that exercised the majority of the features specified by RFCs 3369, 3370, 2631 and 2634. This testing included the RSA, DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES, SHA and Fortezza algorithms. We used the SFL to successfully process the SFL-supported sample data included in the S/MIME WG "Examples of S/MIME Messages" document. We also used the SFL to generate S/MIME v3 sample messages that were included in the "Examples" document. The use of the v2.4 SFL is described in the v2.4 SFL Application Programming Interface (API) and v2.4 SFL Software Design Description documents. The use of the v2.4 CTIL API is described in the v2.4 CTIL API document. v2.4 SFL includes the following enhancements (compared to v2.3 SFL and CTIL releases): 1) Added support for the creation and processing of the RFC 3161-compliant Time Stamp Token content type. 2) Enhanced API to accomodate reciept hash. 3) Enhanced ASN.1 encode/decode functions with "Certificate Management Messages over CMS". v2.4 CTILs include the following enhancements (compared to v2.3 release): 1) Added PKCS#11 interface for Crypto++. 2) Added key generation library for generating public/private key pairs, wrapping the private keys, and generating PKCS#12 files. 3) Added support for RFC 2437 PKCS #1 Optimal Asymetric Encryption Padding (RSAES-OAEP) key transport method of key management. The SFL is developed to maximize portability to 32-bit operating systems. In addition to testing on MS Windows, Linux and Solaris 2.8, we may port the SFL to other operating systems. All source code for the SFL is being provided at no cost and with no financial limitations regarding its use and distribution. Organizations can use the SFL without paying any royalties or licensing fees. DigitalNet is developing the SFL under contract to the U.S. Government. The U.S. Government is furnishing the SFL source code at no cost to the vendor subject to the conditions of the "SFL Public License". On 14 January 2000, the U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of Export Administration published a new regulation implementing an update to the U.S. Government's encryption export policy . In accordance with the revisions to the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) of 14 Jan 2000, the downloading of the SFL source code is not password controlled. The SFL is composed of a high-level library that performs generic CMS and ESS processing independent of the crypto algorithms used to protect a specific object. The SFL high-level library makes calls to an algorithm-independent CTIL API. The underlying, external crypto token libraries are not distributed as part of the SFL source code. The application developer must independently obtain these libraries and then link them with the SFL. The SFL uses the CML and eSNACC ASN.1 Library to encode/decode certificates, ACs, CRLs and components thereof. The CML is freely available at: . The SFL has been successfully tested in conjunction with the Access Control Library (ACL) that is freely available to everyone from: . The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is providing test S/MIME messages (created by DigitalNet) at . DigitalNet used the SFL to successfully process the NIST test data. NIST is using the SFL and CML as part of the NIST S/MIME Test Facility (NSMTF) that they are planning to host (see ). Vendors will be able to use the NSMTF to help determine if their products comply with the IETF S/MIME v3 specifications and the Federal S/MIME v3 Client Profile. The SFL has been integrated into many applications to provide CMS/ESS security services. For example, the SFL was integrated into a security plug-in for a commercial e-mail application that enabled the application to meet the Bridge Certification Authority Demonstration Phase II requirements including implementing ESS features such as security labels. The Internet Mail Consortium (IMC) has established an SFL web page . The IMC has also established an SFL mail list which is used to: distribute information regarding SFL releases; discuss SFL-related issues; and provide a means for SFL users to provide feedback, comments, bug reports, etc. Subscription information for the imc-sfl mailing list is at the IMC web site listed above. All comments regarding the SFL source code and documents are welcome. This SFL release announcement was sent to several mail lists, but please send all messages regarding the SFL to the imc-sfl mail list ONLY. Please do not send messages regarding the SFL to any of the IETF mail lists. We will respond to all messages sent to the imc-sfl mail list. -- Matthew J. Bertapelle DigitalNet Government Solutions, LLC www.DigitalNet.com --------------030905080900040904080104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
All,

DigitalNet Government Solutions has delivered the Version 2.4 S/MIME Freeware Library (SFL) source code.  The SFL source code files and documents are freely available at 
<http://www.digitalnet.com/knowledge/sfl_home.htm>.  

The SFL implements the IETF S/MIME v3 RFC 3369 Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) and RFC 2634 Enhanced Security Services (ESS) specifications.  It implements portions of the RFC 2633 Message Specification, RFC 2632 Certificate Handling, and RFC 3370 CMS Algorithms specifications.  When used in conjunction with the Crypto++ freeware library, the SFL implements the RFC 2631 Diffie-Hellman (D-H) Key Agreement Method 
specification.  It has been successfully tested using the Microsoft (MS) Windows 2000/XP, Linux and Sun Solaris 2.8 operating systems.  Further enhancements, ports and testing of the SFL are still in process.  Further releases of the SFL will be provided as significant capabilities are added. 

The SFL has been successfully used to sign, verify, encrypt and decrypt 
CMS/ESS objects using: DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES algorithms provided by the 
Crypto++ library; RSA suite of algorithms provided by the RSA BSAFE 6.0
Crypto-C and Crypto++ libraries; and Fortezza suite of algorithms 
provided by the Fortezza Crypto Card.  The v2.4 SFL uses the v2.4 
Certificate Management Library (CML) and v1.6 Enhanced SNACC (eSNACC) 
ASN.1 C++ Library to encode/decode objects.  The v2.4 SFL release 
includes: SFL High-level library; Free (a.k.a. Crypto++) Crypto Token
Interface Library (CTIL); BSAFE CTIL; Fortezza CTIL; SPEX/ CTIL; 
PKCS #11 CTIL; Microsoft CAPI v2.0 CTIL; test utilities; test drivers;
and test data.  All CTILs were tested as Dynamically Linked Libraries
(DLL) using MS Windows.  The Fortezza, BSAFE and Crypto++ CTILs
were tested with the respective security libraries as shared objects
using Linux and Solaris 2.8.  

The SFL has been successfully used to exchange signedData and 
envelopedData messages with the MS Internet Explorer Outlook Express 
v4.01, Netscape Communicator 4.X, Entrust and Baltimore S/MIME 
products.  Signed messages have been exchanged with the RSA S/MAIL and 
WorldTalk S/MIME v2 products. 

The SFL has also been used to perform S/MIME v3 interoperability 
testing with Microsoft that exercised the majority of the features 
specified by RFCs 3369, 3370, 2631 and 2634.  This testing included the
RSA, DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES, SHA and Fortezza algorithms.  We used the SFL 
to successfully process the SFL-supported sample data included in the
S/MIME WG "Examples of S/MIME Messages" document.  We also used the
SFL to generate S/MIME v3 sample messages that were included in the 
"Examples" document.

The use of the v2.4 SFL is described in the v2.4 SFL Application 
Programming Interface (API) and v2.4 SFL Software Design Description
documents.  The use of the v2.4 CTIL API is described in the v2.4
CTIL API document. 

v2.4 SFL includes the following enhancements (compared to v2.3
SFL and CTIL releases):

1) Added support for the creation and processing of the RFC 3161-compliant Time Stamp Token content type.

2) Enhanced API to accomodate reciept hash.

3) Enhanced ASN.1 encode/decode functions with "Certificate Management Messages over CMS".

 
v2.4 CTILs include the following enhancements (compared to v2.3 release):

1) Added PKCS#11 interface for Crypto++.

2) Added key generation library for generating public/private 
key pairs, wrapping the private keys, and generating PKCS#12 files.

3) Added support for RFC 2437 PKCS #1 Optimal Asymetric Encryption Padding 
(RSAES-OAEP) key transport method of key management.
The SFL is developed to maximize portability to 32-bit operating 
systems.  In addition to testing on MS Windows, Linux and Solaris 2.8, 
we may port the SFL to other operating systems.

All source code for the SFL is being provided at no cost and with no 
financial limitations regarding its use and distribution. 
Organizations can use the SFL without paying any royalties or 
licensing fees.  DigitalNet is developing the SFL under contract to 
the U.S. Government.  The U.S. Government is furnishing the SFL
source code at no cost to the vendor subject to the conditions of 
the "SFL Public License".

On 14 January 2000, the U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of 
Export Administration published a new regulation implementing an update 
to the U.S. Government's encryption export policy 
<http://www.bxa.doc.gov/Encryption/Default.htm>.  In accordance with 
the revisions to the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) of 14 Jan 
2000, the downloading of the SFL source code is not password controlled.

The SFL is composed of a high-level library that performs generic CMS 
and ESS processing independent of the crypto algorithms used to 
protect a specific object.  The SFL high-level library makes calls to 
an algorithm-independent CTIL API.  The underlying, external crypto
token libraries are not distributed as part of the SFL source code. 
The application developer must independently obtain these libraries and
then link them with the SFL.  
 
The SFL uses the CML and eSNACC ASN.1 Library to encode/decode
certificates, ACs, CRLs and components thereof.  The CML is freely
available at: <http://www.DigitalNet.com/knowledge/cml_home.htm>.

The SFL has been successfully tested in conjunction with the Access
Control Library (ACL) that is freely available to everyone from: 
<http://www.DigitalNet.com/knowledge/acl_home.htm>.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is providing 
test S/MIME messages (created by DigitalNet) at 
<http://csrc.nist.gov/pki/testing/x509paths.html>.  
DigitalNet used the SFL to successfully process the NIST test data.

NIST is using the SFL and CML as part of the NIST S/MIME Test 
Facility (NSMTF) that they are planning to host (see 
<http://csrc.ncsl.nist.gov/pki/smime/>).  Vendors will be able to use
the NSMTF to help determine if their products comply with the
IETF S/MIME v3 specifications and the Federal S/MIME v3 Client Profile. 

The SFL has been integrated into many applications to provide CMS/ESS
security services.  For example, the SFL was integrated into a security
plug-in for a commercial e-mail application that enabled the 
application to meet the Bridge Certification Authority Demonstration 
Phase II requirements including implementing ESS features such as
security labels.

The Internet Mail Consortium (IMC) has established an SFL web page
<http://www.imc.org/imc-sfl>.  The IMC has also established an SFL
mail list which is used to: distribute information regarding SFL
releases; discuss SFL-related issues; and provide a means for SFL
users to provide feedback, comments, bug reports, etc.  Subscription
information for the imc-sfl mailing list is at the IMC web site
listed above.

All comments regarding the SFL source code and documents are welcome.  
This SFL release announcement was sent to several mail lists, but 
please send all messages regarding the SFL to the imc-sfl mail list 
ONLY.  Please do not send messages regarding the SFL to any of the IETF 
mail lists.  We will respond to all messages sent to the imc-sfl mail 
list.
-- 
Matthew J. Bertapelle
DigitalNet Government Solutions, LLC
www.DigitalNet.com

--------------030905080900040904080104-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M3CIvI025260; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5M3CIla025259; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz ([202.36.173.38]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5M3CG2S025224 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:12:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Craig.McGregor@treasury.govt.nz) Received: from juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz (Not Verified[172.20.2.43]) by fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz with Non-Descript e-mail server id ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:12:14 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Subject: RE: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:12:14 +1200 Message-ID: <14270A31340CCF46A050FEC25B8F50A007CF2A08@juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anti-spam news article / S/MIME Gateways Thread-Index: AcROJMpZpnZRpmhFReyXbbbXUgTQ8gJzUPsg From: "Craig McGregor" To: "Russ Housley" , content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i5M3CH2S025252 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: >Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of misunderstanding about >S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption technology. He argues it's > also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway authentication technology, and > that its quality advantages make it the best choice. Tumbleweed would like to work > with Yahoo to merge their technologies. S/MIME gateway software in the context of a 'closed-community' is a proven method of authenticating the sending domains of e-mail messages and has been effective at blocking increased volumes of spoofed e-mail messages (providing they were sent from a participating domain). And of cause using S/MIME encryption protects one from in-transit eavesdropping too! Applying what is quite managable in a 'closed-community' for an Internet-wide deployment would be somewhat more challenging though. Particularly around certificate deployment, trust-chains and auto-discovery (assume DNS for internet-wide; a 'closed-community' could use LDAP). I think that is why domain keys proposes to trust DNS data as being authorative without any further validation. Craig. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IFFtw9011289; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:15:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5IFFta3011288; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:15:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-eur.microsoft.com (mail-eur.microsoft.com [213.199.128.145]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IFFrtO011247 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefans@microsoft.com) Received: from eur-imc-02.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.196.43]) by mail-eur.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:15:46 +0100 Received: from 65.53.196.43 by eur-imc-02.europe.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:15:46 +0100 Received: from EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.44]) by eur-imc-02.europe.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:15:46 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:14:56 +0100 Message-ID: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01114520@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates Thread-Index: AcRU7BZ2DulBo3OyQ2eYHymfJRpJPgAWe/Zw From: "Stefan Santesson" To: "Blake Ramsdell" , "smime mailing list" Cc: "smime chair" , "smime chair" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2004 15:15:46.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[217D1120:01C45547] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i5IFFstO011283 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Yes, You have summarized this well. This work will not impact any S/MIME message profiles, but we may consider addressing this new extension in the Certificate Handling document (or future version of it). /Stefan > -----Original Message----- > From: Blake Ramsdell [mailto:blake@brutesquadlabs.com] > Sent: den 17 juni 2004 21:24 > To: Stefan Santesson; 'smime mailing list' > Cc: 'smime chair'; 'smime chair' > Subject: RE: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Santesson > > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:24 PM > > To: smime mailing list > > Cc: smime chair; smime chair > > Subject: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates > > > > It would thus improve the situation if CAs, especially enterprise CAs, > > that knows or even have the capability to dictate the capabilities of > > users, could include the PKCS#9 SMIMECapabilities attribute in > > certificates. > > OK, so as far as I can tell, what's being asked is as follows: > > * Modification of the ietf-smime charter to allow for the discussion of > a profile of the SMIME Capabilities extension to be included in X.509 > certificates > > * The actual discussion of such a thing on the ietf-smime mailing list > > * Creation of one or more drafts to summarize the consensus, ultimately > resulting in one or more RFCs in the S/MIME working group > > This all sounds like stuff we can do. If there's something I'm missing, > someone point it out, otherwise it seems reasonable to undertake this > work in the working group. > > One other thing we should probably discuss is whether or not this effort > has any impact on S/MIME message processing, and if we need to address > that. > > Blake Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5I4NsYZ086149; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5I4NsnY086148; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5I4NsAQ086121 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:23:53 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "'Stefan Santesson'" , "'smime mailing list'" Cc: "'smime chair'" , "'smime chair'" Subject: RE: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:23:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D010E434D@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Santesson > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:24 PM > To: smime mailing list > Cc: smime chair; smime chair > Subject: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates > > It would thus improve the situation if CAs, especially enterprise CAs, > that knows or even have the capability to dictate the capabilities of > users, could include the PKCS#9 SMIMECapabilities attribute in > certificates. OK, so as far as I can tell, what's being asked is as follows: * Modification of the ietf-smime charter to allow for the discussion of a profile of the SMIME Capabilities extension to be included in X.509 certificates * The actual discussion of such a thing on the ietf-smime mailing list * Creation of one or more drafts to summarize the consensus, ultimately resulting in one or more RFCs in the S/MIME working group This all sounds like stuff we can do. If there's something I'm missing, someone point it out, otherwise it seems reasonable to undertake this work in the working group. One other thing we should probably discuss is whether or not this effort has any impact on S/MIME message processing, and if we need to address that. Blake Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GJZi0q042650; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5GJZiCN042648; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:35:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GJZhaS042641 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:35:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apache@megatron.ietf.org) Received: from apache by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1Bafzu-00014X-9X; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:22:58 -0400 X-test-idtracker: no From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Cc: Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor , smime mailing list , smime chair , smime chair Subject: Protocol Action: 'Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)' to Proposed Standard Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:22:58 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) ' as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Steve Bellovin and Russ Housley. Technical Summary This document is a minor update from RFC 3369. It corrects some errors, and makes provision for easy addition of new certificate types. Working Group Summary The changes were uncontroversial. Protocol Quality Steve Bellovin reviewed this document for the IESG. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F2Nmff082953; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5F2NmE5082952; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:23:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-dub.microsoft.com (mail-dub.microsoft.com [213.199.128.160]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5F2Nl3A082907 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:23:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefans@microsoft.com) Received: from dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.196.22]) by mail-dub.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:23:44 +0100 Received: from 65.53.196.22 by dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:23:44 +0100 Received: from EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.44]) by dub-imc-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:23:43 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4527F.C753D126" Subject: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:23:44 +0100 Message-ID: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D010E434D@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates Thread-Index: AcRSXSJDwCa9S0eORoGBWf3ztt7ORwAHu9eA From: "Stefan Santesson" To: "smime mailing list" Cc: "smime chair" , "smime chair" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2004 02:23:43.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7C8DB10:01C4527F] Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4527F.C753D126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Santesson Program Manager, Windows Security Principal Consultant, Microsoft Denmark Please find attached a proposed updated charter which would incorporate the task to define means to carry SMIME Capabilities in X.509 Certificates. This revised charter has been reviewed and approved by Russ Hously on the condition that this WG accept to take on this task. We had a discussion on this issue in PKIX which some of you may have noticed where a majority concluded that this was a good thing to do but the post discussion, especially with Russ, also concluded that SMIME is probably the best place to do it and not PKIX. The background of this work item is the need to establish knowledge about opponents SMIME Capabilities, even before a first message exchange. We will never escape the fact that a sender of an encrypted mail some times will have to guess the recipients cryptographic capabilities. In other situations the sender may have access to multiple sources of data with conflicting information so the sender should always be prepared to use the most recent and reliable source of information. But in absence of any information at all, the sender have to fallback to default configuration settings. It would thus improve the situation if CAs, especially enterprise CAs, that knows or even have the capability to dictate the capabilities of users, could include the PKCS#9 SMIMECapabilities attribute in certificates. One such solution is in practical use since quite some time now. Both Microsoft CAs and e-mail clients have since long the capabilities to include and extract users SMIME Capabilities in certificates using this PKCS#9 attribute as a certificate extension. This work item should hopefully therefore be a rather simple to conclude since the PKCS#9 attribute is already defined and used in SMIME for this purpose, and one way of using this attribute in certificates is already in widespread use. 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AAAANAAAAA== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4527F.C753D126-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ELecuf028290; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i5ELec4T028289; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ELebhs028282 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apache@megatron.ietf.org) Received: from apache by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BZxcU-0006MZ-Si; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:59:50 -0400 X-test-idtracker: no From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Cc: Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor , smime mailing list , smime chair , smime chair Subject: Protocol Action: 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling' to Proposed Standard Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:59:50 -0400 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has approved the following document: - 'S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling ' as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Russ Housley and Steve Bellovin. Technical Summary This document specifies conventions for X.509 certificate usage by S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) agents. S/MIME provides a method to send and receive secure MIME messages, and certificates are an integral part of S/MIME agent processing. S/MIME agents validate certificates as described in RFC 3280, the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and CRL Profile. S/MIME agents must meet the certificate processing requirements in this document as well as those in RFC 3280. Working Group Summary The S/MIME Working Group came to rough consensus on this document. Protocol Quality This document was reviewed by Russ Housley for the IESG. RFC Editor Note Please make the following changes in order to insert an appropriate reference to the ASN.1 specification. Also, the definitions of BER and DER are deleted since they are not used in the body of the text. Finally, the [SMIME-MSG] reference is changed to point to the most current specification, which is already in the RFC Editor queue. 1. Please add a reference to the definition of ASN.1. OLD: ASN.1: Abstract Syntax Notation One, as defined in ITU-T X.208. NEW: ASN.1: Abstract Syntax Notation One, as defined in ITU-T X.208 [X.208-88]. 2. Please delete the definition of BER and DER. OLD: BER: Basic Encoding Rules for ASN.1, as defined in ITU-T X.209. Certificate: A type that binds an entity's name to a public key with a digital signature. This type is defined in the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure (PKIX) Certificate and CRL Profile [KEYM]. This type also contains the distinguished name of the certificate issuer (the signer), an issuer-specific serial number, the issuer's signature algorithm identifier, a validity period, and extensions also defined in that document. Certificate Revocation List (CRL): A type that contains information about certificates whose validity an issuer has prematurely revoked. The information consists of an issuer name, the time of issue, the next scheduled time of issue, a list of certificate serial numbers and their associated revocation times, and extensions as defined in [KEYM]. The CRL is signed by the issuer. The type intended by this specification is the one defined in [KEYM]. DER: Distinguished Encoding Rules for ASN.1, as defined in ITU-T X.690. NEW: Certificate: A type that binds an entity's name to a public key with a digital signature. This type is defined in the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure (PKIX) Certificate and CRL Profile [KEYM]. This type also contains the distinguished name of the certificate issuer (the signer), an issuer-specific serial number, the issuer's signature algorithm identifier, a validity period, and extensions also defined in that document. Certificate Revocation List (CRL): A type that contains information about certificates whose validity an issuer has prematurely revoked. The information consists of an issuer name, the time of issue, the next scheduled time of issue, a list of certificate serial numbers and their associated revocation times, and extensions as defined in [KEYM]. The CRL is signed by the issuer. The type intended by this specification is the one defined in [KEYM]. 3. Please insert a normative reference to the ASN.1 specification. OLD: [SMIME-MSG] "S/MIME Version 3 Message Specification ", Internet Draft draft-ietf-smime-msg NEW: [SMIME-MSG] "S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification ", Internet Draft draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-09 [X.208-88] ITU-T. Recommendation X.208: Specification of Abstract Syntax Notation One (ASN.1). 1988. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59DGZYX064492; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i59DGZh9064491; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.151]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i59DGYUR064472 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from medusa01 (medusa01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC4F34094; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:11:27 +1200 (NZST) Received: from pgut001 by medusa01 with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BY2wW-0008Hx-An; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:16:36 +1200 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: housley@vigilsec.com, ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Anti-spam news article In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040609082647.02e930b0@mail.binhost.com> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:16:36 +1200 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Russ Housley writes: >This news article will be of interest to members of this IETF mail list. Probably off-topic, but I just have to add my $0.02: This was debated on the cryptography list a week or two back, and before that in another forum, the general feeling ranged from it being almost completely ineffective through to marginally effective, and nothing like the optimistic: Once rolled out, e-mail authentication is "going to have a major impact" on spam, says Miles Libbey, antispam product manager for Yahoo Mail. "That's not to say the spammers won't adapt...but it's a critical thing to have in place." in the article. The protocols mentioned in the article are all some variant on the "build a big wall around the Internet and only let the good guys in", which will never work because the Internet doesn't contain any definable inside and outside, only 800 million Manchurian candidates waiting to activate. For example MessageLabs recently reported that *two thirds* of all the spam it blocks is from infected PCs, with much of it coming from ADSL/cable modem IP pools. Given that these "spammers" are legitimate users, no amount of crypto will solve the problem. I did a talk on this at the AusCert 2004 conference where I claimed that various protocols designed to enforce this (Designated Mailers Protocol, Reverse Mail Exchanger, Sender Permitted From, etc etc) will buy at most 6-12 months, and the only dissent I got was from an anti-virus researcher who said it'd buy weeks and not months. See the cryptography list archives and http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/dammit.pdf for more on this. Peter. 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Russ --- Subject: No More Spam From Fakes Web Titans Seek Standard To Authenticate Senders And Thwart Junk E-Mail By RIVA RICHMOND DOW JONES NEWSWIRES June 9, 2004; Page D9 NEW YORK -- Names just don't have the value they used to -- at least when it comes to e-mail. After all, spammers, virus writers and identity thieves now regularly affix fake names to their e-mail messages in hopes of conning users into opening them and evading block lists. Take a message today from "Sonia Sauders," subject line "Re: Hey cutie." It could have been a note from a college chum, but was actually a pitch for porn. With billions of these messages cluttering e-mail in boxes every day, there's simply no trusting a name anymore. But this could change soon, if Internet heavyweights such as Microsoft Corp., Yahoo Inc., Time Warner Inc.'s America Online unit and EarthLink Inc. have their way. These otherwise fierce rivals are working together to come up with standard technologies for authenticating e-mail senders, which the companies say will make it easier for mail recipients to beat back spam, scams and viruses. Internet service and Web e-mail providers and others in the industry say broad agreement on a technology is vital to getting the large-scale adoption that's needed to stop e-mail "spoofing," as the use of fake sender names is known. The companies are looking at new technology that could be adopted in the coming months. These include easy and cheap technologies for verifying e-mail senders' domain names, as well as more effective, but also more complicated and expensive, systems for attaching and viewing actual proof of e-mail senders' identities. Once rolled out, e-mail authentication is "going to have a major impact" on spam, says Miles Libbey, antispam product manager for Yahoo Mail. "That's not to say the spammers won't adapt...but it's a critical thing to have in place." Internet companies, inundated by customer complaints about e-mail blights, say authentication would help them clean up in boxes because real names could be separated out -- and questionable names singled out for blocking or special scrutiny. It would also help them track down and prosecute e-mail's abusers. The simplest authentication approach is being promoted aggressively by Microsoft and AOL. In this type of system, a receiving e-mail server attempts to verify whether the domain name in a sender's e-mail address comes from an authorized computer. This is done by dispatching a quick query to the computers that hold the central records for Internet addresses, known as the Domain Name System, to check whether the domain name and the numerical "IP address" generated by the computer go together. Both DNS records and IP addresses are difficult to spoof, but experts warn that miscreants could get around such "IP-based" systems, at least in the early stages of adoption, by using e-mail servers that don't publish their identities in the DNS record. Also, an IP-based system wouldn't work in all situations, such as with forwarded messages. Two IP-based proposals have been under consideration: Microsoft's Caller ID, and Sender Policy Framework, or SPF, which has been championed by AOL. SPF was created by Meng Wong, the co-founder of Pobox.com, an e-mail forwarding service owned by IC Group of Philadelphia. In late May, Microsoft and Mr. Wong agreed to merge their proposals, which industry players say will likely pave the way for quick industry adoption. Although some experts had seen implementation as a year or two away, Microsoft expects a merged technology to be finalized this month and says it could be taken up by big ISPs "several months" later. The technology will be made available for free, Microsoft says. Both Microsoft and AOL say they would like to see a more-advanced, key-based system implemented, too, but believe that should be step No. 2. In key-based systems, cryptographic keys and digital signatures are used by the sending e-mail server to assert the sender's identity and by the receiving server to confirm that identity. Big industry players are most interested in a key-based technology developed by Yahoo called DomainKeys, which authenticates the domain name in e-mail headers. Yahoo's Mr. Libbey says that adopting an IP-based system would be a positive step, but that DomainKeys solves the e-mail authentication problem better, in large part because it works in cases such as forwarded messages. DomainKeys, which involves changing how both outbound and inbound e-mails are processed, will be open-source and royalty-free. There are other key-based options, too. Tumbleweed Communications Corp., an e-mail security company, is advocating the use of its S/MIME, a protocol already in use for encryption of messages. Tumbleweed Chief Executive Jeff Smith says there's a lot of misunderstanding about S/MIME, because it was created as a desktop encryption technology. He argues it's also simple and cost-effective to use as a gateway authentication technology, and that its quality advantages make it the best choice. Tumbleweed would like to work with Yahoo to merge their technologies. Yahoo plans to begin using DomainKeys on its own network this year, and says it's working with others in the industry to advance DomainKeys' adoption, including Sendmail and Qmail, two popular open-source e-mail server software programs. Sendmail Inc., which implements e-mail systems, last week said it would sponsor public testing of both DomainKeys and the merged Caller-ID/SPF technology when it becomes available. But all the giants on the front lines of the war on spam warn against false hopes that authentication will eliminate e-mail woes or bring peace. "Like bad colds and taxes, spam in some way or form will always be lurking around," says AOL spokesman Nicholas J. Graham. Spammers are resilient and tenacious, but "we are hopeful that [authentication technology] will meet the test, that it will take a very large chunk of spammers out of the game." 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This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling Author(s) : B. Ramsdell Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-07.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2004-6-4 This document specifies conventions for X.509 certificate usage by S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) agents. S/MIME provides a method to send and receive secure MIME messages, and certificates are an integral part of S/MIME agent processing. S/MIME agents validate certificates as described in RFC 3280, the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and CRL Profile. S/MIME agents must meet the certificate processing requirements in this document as well as those in RFC 3280. This specification is compatible with the Cryptographic Message Syntax [CMS] in that it uses the data types defined by CMS. It also inherits all the varieties of architectures for certificate-based key management supported by CMS. 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