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This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Enhanced Security Services for S/MIME
	Author(s)	: J. Schaad
	Filename	: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt
	Pages		: 31
	Date		: 2004-11-29
	
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The inclination is to keep it separate to avoid delaying ESS-bis, but it MAY logically fit within ESS... The response to this e-mail could be: 1. Lets add a section to ESS to address this issue. 2. Issue sounds interesting but it should be proposed as a separate draft and we'll look at it. 3. This can already be done with "XYZ". 4. Not interested (silence). In any event, it provides an opportunity to breach the issue to the list and invite opinions! What is all this about? It is argued that there is a need for a scheme to permit the inclusion of "proof of signing-certificate validation" in signed messages (and potentially in signed receipts). ESS section 5 discusses a related issue. Traditional signed messaging using CMS and MSG is based on the originator appending a signature to a message which is subsequently checked by the message receiver(s), with receivers checking the validity (e.g. revocation status) of the corresponding public key certificate. This method has problems (detailed below) which could be mitigated if there was a way to force the certificate (and certificate use) validation to occur at signing time (or close to signing time). The traditional method has shortcomings in situations where signature validation occurs some time after signature creation, as is common in S/MIME environments where signed messages, including archived messages, may be checked months and possibly years later. If a key compromise and revocation were to occur in the meantime, or the certificate were to expire, the signature will be incorrectly judged as invalid (or incapable of being verified). (Some implementations try to cache old crls to permit old messages to be validated, but this opens security holes.) It is also a concern when attempting to use this method for non-repudiation; since the subsequent compromise of the key (accidentally or otherwise) permits the originator to retroactively refute its creation. (And non-repudiation is not supported past certificate expiry.) A Time Stamp Server may be used to establish that the message existed prior to a certain time so that subsequent key compromise (or certificate expiry) will not invalidate the signature. However, this requires adjustment to the way in which the messages are handled (e.g. copied to time stamp servers) and these services normally do not fully understand originator security policies and cannot fully validate "correct use" of the certificate (as will be discussed next). Another issue arises if enterprises want to enforce how signatures are applied using their certificates. For example the enterprises may wish to enforce the X.509 privateKeyUsagePeriod attribute. Enforcement of the "not Before" time is not possible with current approaches, and enforcement of "not After" suffers from the same limitations discussed above. That is, the signature may have been applied at a valid time, but the subsequent check by the receiver may occur after signing key usage expiry, producing an erroneous negative result (and realizing that the "signing time" in the message cannot be trusted since it is only protected by the signature being verified). Uncommon or unique-to-the-originating-enterprise signing-key usage restrictions may also not be capable of being enforced by receivers (or time stamp servers) since only the originating enterprise may understand their relevance. Some environments may further require the inclusion of fixed "boilerplate" or dynamically generated text statements limiting liability, or the inclusion of attribute certificates. While such statements may be included in certificates, or the security policies associated with certificates, some enterprises may need to use dynamic approaches which can be applied when the signature is applied. For example, authorization to commit the organization (e.g. in a purchase order) may be dynamically altered based on the date or temporarily delegated to specific identities (to support "acting" authorities, to designate current signing authority -"this signature is valid only for purchases up to $10,000"-, etc). Finally, in automated applications, for example SCADA (Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition) and telecontrol applications, the relaxation of receiver revocation checking requirements will permit the deployment of receivers (e.g. actuators) with limited processing and on-line access capabilities. For example, a programmable controller creating a command for a remote actuator could be required to obtain and include the "proof" signerInfo obtained from a local security server. By using short certificate periods in the server and trusted clocks in the server and actuator, an adequately secure (potentially unidirectional simplex) command/control link might be established. Proposal: It is initially proposed to only define the "proof of signing certificate validation" signerInfo structure. The specification of how the originator, or any intermediate element, obtains this signerInfo from a "security server" could be left open since this is not required for interoperability between the originator and receiver. This operation will occur within the originating enterprise and thus it MAY be implemented in a proprietary manner. Depending upon interest it might be advantageous to expose this interface and identify a protocol however. The "proof of certificate validation" SignerInfo itself will rely on the use of a public certificate and so one might argue that this only replaces one validation with another. However, it is argued that the "proof of certificate validation" SignerInfo is created by a device high in the organization's trust hierarchy which can have better key protection, potentially shorter certificate periods, and implement other measures to reduced the probability of compromise, and thus the need for automated certificate validation may be avoided (e.g. replaced by manual means). If there is interest on the list, Peter Gutmann and I will put together a draft. HOWEVER, if Jim Schaad and the list were to prefer it be included in the ESS revision we would happily turn it over! 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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Capel CC: ietf-smime@imc.org, Peter Gutmann Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt References: <001801c4de32$17455f90$01b5a8c0@tony> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on CLN-M001/FR/BULL(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/12/2004 14:46:50, Serialize by Router on CLN-M001/FR/BULL(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/12/2004 14:47:01, Serialize complete at 10/12/2004 14:47:01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony, 3. This is already done with RFC 3126, "Electronic Signature Formats for long term electronic signatures". RFC 3126 does not support the exact solution you propose, but provides a solution to the problem you want to solve. Denis > This is not a comment on the proposed draft text, but rather a question as to > whether the issue discussed below should be addressed by adding another > "enhanced service" to ESS or rather to consider a separate draft. > > The inclination is to keep it separate to avoid delaying ESS-bis, but it MAY > logically fit within ESS... > > The response to this e-mail could be: > > 1. Lets add a section to ESS to address this issue. > 2. Issue sounds interesting but it should be proposed as a separate draft and > we'll look at it. > 3. This can already be done with "XYZ". > 4. Not interested (silence). > > > In any event, it provides an opportunity to breach the issue to the list and > invite opinions! > > What is all this about? > > It is argued that there is a need for a scheme to permit the inclusion of "proof > of signing-certificate validation" in signed messages (and potentially in signed > receipts). ESS section 5 discusses a related issue. > > Traditional signed messaging using CMS and MSG is based on the originator > appending a signature to a message which is subsequently checked by the message > receiver(s), with receivers checking the validity (e.g. revocation status) of > the corresponding public key certificate. This method has problems (detailed > below) which could be mitigated if there was a way to force the certificate (and > certificate use) validation to occur at signing time (or close to signing time). > > The traditional method has shortcomings in situations where signature validation > occurs some time after signature creation, as is common in S/MIME environments > where signed messages, including archived messages, may be checked months and > possibly years later. If a key compromise and revocation were to occur in the > meantime, or the certificate were to expire, the signature will be incorrectly > judged as invalid (or incapable of being verified). (Some implementations try to > cache old crls to permit old messages to be validated, but this opens security > holes.) > > It is also a concern when attempting to use this method for non-repudiation; > since the subsequent compromise of the key (accidentally or otherwise) permits > the originator to retroactively refute its creation. (And non-repudiation is > not supported past certificate expiry.) > > A Time Stamp Server may be used to establish that the message existed prior to a > certain time so that subsequent key compromise (or certificate expiry) will not > invalidate the signature. However, this requires adjustment to the way in which > the messages are handled (e.g. copied to time stamp servers) and these services > normally do not fully understand originator security policies and cannot fully > validate "correct use" of the certificate (as will be discussed next). > > Another issue arises if enterprises want to enforce how signatures are applied > using their certificates. For example the enterprises may wish to enforce the > X.509 privateKeyUsagePeriod attribute. Enforcement of the "not Before" time is > not possible with current approaches, and enforcement of "not After" suffers > from the same limitations discussed above. That is, the signature may have been > applied at a valid time, but the subsequent check by the receiver may occur > after signing key usage expiry, producing an erroneous negative result (and > realizing that the "signing time" in the message cannot be trusted since it is > only protected by the signature being verified). > > Uncommon or unique-to-the-originating-enterprise signing-key usage restrictions > may also not be capable of being enforced by receivers (or time stamp servers) > since only the originating enterprise may understand their relevance. > > Some environments may further require the inclusion of fixed "boilerplate" or > dynamically generated text statements limiting liability, or the inclusion of > attribute certificates. While such statements may be included in certificates, > or the security policies associated with certificates, some enterprises may need > to use dynamic approaches which can be applied when the signature is applied. > > For example, authorization to commit the organization (e.g. in a purchase order) > may be dynamically altered based on the date or temporarily delegated to > specific identities (to support "acting" authorities, to designate current > signing authority -"this signature is valid only for purchases up to $10,000"-, > etc). > > Finally, in automated applications, for example SCADA (Supervisory Control and > Data Acquisition) and telecontrol applications, the relaxation of receiver > revocation checking requirements will permit the deployment of receivers (e.g. > actuators) with limited processing and on-line access capabilities. For example, > a programmable controller creating a command for a remote actuator could be > required to obtain and include the "proof" signerInfo obtained from a local > security server. By using short certificate periods in the server and trusted > clocks in the server and actuator, an adequately secure (potentially > unidirectional simplex) command/control link might be established. > > Proposal: > > It is initially proposed to only define the "proof of signing certificate > validation" signerInfo structure. The specification of how the originator, or > any intermediate element, obtains this signerInfo from a "security server" could > be left open since this is not required for interoperability between the > originator and receiver. This operation will occur within the originating > enterprise and thus it MAY be implemented in a proprietary manner. Depending > upon interest it might be advantageous to expose this interface and identify a > protocol however. > > The "proof of certificate validation" SignerInfo itself will rely on the use of > a public certificate and so one might argue that this only replaces one > validation with another. However, it is argued that the "proof of certificate > validation" SignerInfo is created by a device high in the organization's trust > hierarchy which can have better key protection, potentially shorter certificate > periods, and implement other measures to reduced the probability of compromise, > and thus the need for automated certificate validation may be avoided (e.g. > replaced by manual means). > > > If there is interest on the list, Peter Gutmann and I will put together a draft. > > HOWEVER, if Jim Schaad and the list were to prefer it be included in the ESS > revision we would happily turn it over! > > > Tony > > From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Dec 10 09:57:46 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19703 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBAEifpM063454; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:44:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBAEif3u063453; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:44:41 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [212.234.46.16]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBAEidLC063443 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr) Received: from chandon.edelweb.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edelweb.fr (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBAEiWn22550; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from chandon.edelweb.fr (chandon.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.162]) by edelweb.fr (nospam/1.8); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:32 +0100 (MET) Received: (from peter@localhost) by chandon.edelweb.fr (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id iBAEiU029479; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:30 +0100 (MET) From: Peter Sylvester Message-Id: <200412101444.iBAEiU029479@chandon.edelweb.fr> To: capel@comgate.com, Denis.Pinkas@bull.net Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org, pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > > This is not a comment on the proposed draft text, but rather a question as to > > whether the issue discussed below should be addressed by adding another > > "enhanced service" to ESS or rather to consider a separate draft. > > > > The inclination is to keep it separate to avoid delaying ESS-bis, but it MAY > > logically fit within ESS... > > > > The response to this e-mail could be: > > > > 1. Lets add a section to ESS to address this issue. > > 2. Issue sounds interesting but it should be proposed as a separate draft and > > we'll look at it. > > 3. This can already be done with "XYZ". > > 4. Not interested (silence). > > the ad-hoc techniques od RFC 3126 adding time stamps are one point. As far as I remember there is also the possibility in PKCS9 to add a 'contenttype' structure as an attribute of whatever attesttion a 'signature validation' service (e.g. RFC 3029) can produce. Also, The topic of validation of signed documents seems to be part of the ltans group (notarisation). A binding of to a concrete field in CMS/ESS signedData as an attribute or so seems useful to me but to do this as generic as possible. What may fit logically into ESS seems to me is an 'extended rule for validation' of such structures, similar to the rule to validate ESSSigningCertificate. 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Also reducing receiver load is essential for telecontrol and SCADA where the actuators are simple and potentially on the end of restrictive communications links. I would not expect this to replace 3126 for more complex applications or where formal legal requirements must be met. An ideal solution could be a subset profile of 3126, potentially adding (as necessary) optional attributes. Also simplifications are possible since the "proof..." signerInfo is always constructed within the originating domain (so cross-certification, cert chaining, third party servers (including time stamp servers, arbiters, ...), etc. are not required). Denis, I wonder if you could suggest a profile of 3126 which could be used? If we can do this with a profile alone without anything new this would make everything easier. I was hoping all we needed was an appropriate signerInfo structure definition along with non-normative words describing how it is used. Tony | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org | [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Denis Pinkas | Sent: December 10, 2004 8:47 AM | To: Tony Capel | Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org; Peter Gutmann | Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt | | | | Tony, | | 3. This is already done with RFC 3126, "Electronic Signature | Formats for long term electronic signatures". | | RFC 3126 does not support the exact solution you propose, but | provides a | solution to the problem you want to solve. | | Denis | | | > This is not a comment on the proposed draft text, but rather a | > question as to whether the issue discussed below should be | addressed | > by adding another "enhanced service" to ESS or rather to consider a | > separate draft. | > | > The inclination is to keep it separate to avoid delaying | ESS-bis, but | > it MAY logically fit within ESS... | > | > The response to this e-mail could be: | > | > 1. Lets add a section to ESS to address this issue. | > 2. Issue sounds interesting but it should be proposed as a separate | > draft and we'll look at it. 3. This can already be done with "XYZ". | > 4. Not interested (silence). | > | > | > In any event, it provides an opportunity to breach the issue to the | > list and invite opinions! | > | > What is all this about? | > | > It is argued that there is a need for a scheme to permit | the inclusion | > of "proof of signing-certificate validation" in signed | messages (and | > potentially in signed receipts). ESS section 5 discusses a related | > issue. | > | > Traditional signed messaging using CMS and MSG is based on the | > originator appending a signature to a message which is subsequently | > checked by the message receiver(s), with receivers checking the | > validity (e.g. revocation status) of the corresponding public key | > certificate. This method has problems (detailed | > below) which could be mitigated if there was a way to force | the certificate (and | > certificate use) validation to occur at signing time (or | close to signing time). | > | > The traditional method has shortcomings in situations where | signature | > validation occurs some time after signature creation, as is | common in | > S/MIME environments where signed messages, including archived | > messages, may be checked months and possibly years later. If a key | > compromise and revocation were to occur in the meantime, or the | > certificate were to expire, the signature will be | incorrectly judged | > as invalid (or incapable of being verified). (Some | implementations try | > to cache old crls to permit old messages to be validated, | but this opens security | > holes.) | > | > It is also a concern when attempting to use this method for | > non-repudiation; since the subsequent compromise of the key | > (accidentally or otherwise) permits the originator to retroactively | > refute its creation. 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Duplicate text should be placed in section 1. jim From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Dec 13 19:06:19 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA10839 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBDNmoMe056483; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBDNmoFo056482; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:48:50 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-eur1.microsoft.com (mail-eur1.microsoft.com [213.199.128.139]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBDNmmRe056464 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:48:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefans@microsoft.com) Received: from EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.44]) by mail-eur1.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1247); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:48:38 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:48:25 -0000 Message-ID: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01797F57@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Thread-Index: AcThVgDLsdkA4wPQQfyexavEjElEBAAD9FcQAAHzoJA= From: "Stefan Santesson" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2004 23:48:38.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[44471DA0:01C4E16E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iBDNmnRe056477 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Jim, I agree on 1 3 and 4 to be fixed. I'm not so sure with 2. I think any such recommendations should be handled in RFC 3851 where the S/MIME Capabilities attribute is defined. No use of this extension in certificate should differ in any way from its use as signed attribute in S/MIME messages. I think that it would be confusing if we started to actually specify/recommend the attribute content in 2 separate RFCs. Stefan Santesson Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > Sent: den 13 december 2004 15:01 > To: Stefan Santesson > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > Stefan, > > A couple of small comments on the draft, although I believe that it could > go > to last call in its current state. > > 1. In section 2 you have the statement 'Algorithms should be ordered by > preference.' As I general rule I attempt to avoid the use of must, should > and may when writing documents to avoid confusion with MUST, SHOULD and > MAY > (did he just forget to capatilize it?). A better statement might be > 'Algorithms are expected to be be ordered by preference'. > > 2. I would like to see the addition of a paragraph describing the types > of > capabilities that are expected to be listed. It seems obious that bulk > encryption algorithms are listed as, potentially, are key encryption > algorithms (consider RSA-OAEP as an example). However it is not clear > about > some of the other potential capabililties. What about signature and hash > algorithms? What about MAC algorithms? What about S/MIME specifics such > as > id-cap-preferBinaryInside? > > 3. RFC 2199 is a reference, but the text refering to it is absent. > > 4. RFC 3280 is referenced only from the abstract. 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However I think you need to put in some text saying that there is no difference as to what is included and a small justification for this. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Santesson [mailto:stefans@microsoft.com] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To: ietf@augustcellars.com > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > Thanks Jim, > > I agree on 1 3 and 4 to be fixed. > > I'm not so sure with 2. I think any such recommendations > should be handled in RFC 3851 where the S/MIME Capabilities > attribute is defined. > No use of this extension in certificate should differ in any > way from its use as signed attribute in S/MIME messages. > > I think that it would be confusing if we started to actually > specify/recommend the attribute content in 2 separate RFCs. > > Stefan Santesson > Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > > Sent: den 13 december 2004 15:01 > > To: Stefan Santesson > > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > > > Stefan, > > > > A couple of small comments on the draft, although I believe that it > could > > go > > to last call in its current state. > > > > 1. In section 2 you have the statement 'Algorithms should > be ordered > by > > preference.' As I general rule I attempt to avoid the use of must, > should > > and may when writing documents to avoid confusion with MUST, SHOULD > and > > MAY > > (did he just forget to capatilize it?). A better statement > might be > > 'Algorithms are expected to be be ordered by preference'. > > > > 2. I would like to see the addition of a paragraph describing the > types > > of > > capabilities that are expected to be listed. It seems obious that > bulk > > encryption algorithms are listed as, potentially, are key > encryption > > algorithms (consider RSA-OAEP as an example). However it > is not clear > > about some of the other potential capabililties. What > about signature > > and > hash > > algorithms? What about MAC algorithms? What about S/MIME specifics > such > > as > > id-cap-preferBinaryInside? > > > > 3. RFC 2199 is a reference, but the text refering to it is absent. > > > > 4. RFC 3280 is referenced only from the abstract. 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If you still think we should specify differences, could you share your justifications for them for consideration? Otherwise I will be happy to just add text stating that there are no differences. Stefan Santesson Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > Sent: den 13 december 2004 17:23 > To: Stefan Santesson > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > Stefan, > > I believe that I could easily justify differences in behaviors here. > However I think you need to put in some text saying that there is no > difference as to what is included and a small justification for this. > > jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stefan Santesson [mailto:stefans@microsoft.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:48 PM > > To: ietf@augustcellars.com > > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > > > Thanks Jim, > > > > I agree on 1 3 and 4 to be fixed. > > > > I'm not so sure with 2. I think any such recommendations > > should be handled in RFC 3851 where the S/MIME Capabilities > > attribute is defined. > > No use of this extension in certificate should differ in any > > way from its use as signed attribute in S/MIME messages. > > > > I think that it would be confusing if we started to actually > > specify/recommend the attribute content in 2 separate RFCs. > > > > Stefan Santesson > > Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > > > Sent: den 13 december 2004 15:01 > > > To: Stefan Santesson > > > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > > > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > > > > > Stefan, > > > > > > A couple of small comments on the draft, although I believe that it > > could > > > go > > > to last call in its current state. > > > > > > 1. In section 2 you have the statement 'Algorithms should > > be ordered > > by > > > preference.' 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----026781862816621684-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBEFmfJ3019149; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:48:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBEFmfbA019148; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:48:41 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-eur1.microsoft.com (mail-eur1.microsoft.com [213.199.128.139]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBEFmZYA018392 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:48:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefans@microsoft.com) Received: from EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.44]) by mail-eur1.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1247); Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:48:24 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:48:13 -0000 Message-ID: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01798298@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Thread-Index: AcThVgDLsdkA4wPQQfyexavEjElEBAAD9FcQAAHzoJAAA1Ac4AAeLpdw From: "Stefan Santesson" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2004 15:48:24.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[58277FF0:01C4E1F4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iBEFmaYA019003 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Jim, I can't think of any justifications for differences myself so it will be hard for me to add any to the spec. If you still think we should specify differences, could you share your justifications for them for consideration? Otherwise I will be happy to just add text stating that there are no differences. Stefan Santesson Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > Sent: den 13 december 2004 17:23 > To: Stefan Santesson > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > Stefan, > > I believe that I could easily justify differences in behaviors here. > However I think you need to put in some text saying that there is no > difference as to what is included and a small justification for this. > > jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stefan Santesson [mailto:stefans@microsoft.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:48 PM > > To: ietf@augustcellars.com > > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > > > Thanks Jim, > > > > I agree on 1 3 and 4 to be fixed. > > > > I'm not so sure with 2. I think any such recommendations > > should be handled in RFC 3851 where the S/MIME Capabilities > > attribute is defined. > > No use of this extension in certificate should differ in any > > way from its use as signed attribute in S/MIME messages. > > > > I think that it would be confusing if we started to actually > > specify/recommend the attribute content in 2 separate RFCs. > > > > Stefan Santesson > > Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > > > Sent: den 13 december 2004 15:01 > > > To: Stefan Santesson > > > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > > > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > > > > > Stefan, > > > > > > A couple of small comments on the draft, although I believe that it > > could > > > go > > > to last call in its current state. > > > > > > 1. In section 2 you have the statement 'Algorithms should > > be ordered > > by > > > preference.' As I general rule I attempt to avoid the use of must, > > should > > > and may when writing documents to avoid confusion with MUST, SHOULD > > and > > > MAY > > > (did he just forget to capatilize it?). A better statement > > might be > > > 'Algorithms are expected to be be ordered by preference'. > > > > > > 2. I would like to see the addition of a paragraph describing the > > types > > > of > > > capabilities that are expected to be listed. It seems obious that > > bulk > > > encryption algorithms are listed as, potentially, are key > > encryption > > > algorithms (consider RSA-OAEP as an example). However it > > is not clear > > > about some of the other potential capabililties. What > > about signature > > > and > > hash > > > algorithms? What about MAC algorithms? What about S/MIME specifics > > such > > > as > > > id-cap-preferBinaryInside? > > > > > > 3. RFC 2199 is a reference, but the text refering to it is absent. > > > > > > 4. RFC 3280 is referenced only from the abstract. Duplicate text > > should > > > be > > > placed in section 1. > > > > > > > > > jim > > > > > > > > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBE1DbxE070174; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:13:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBE1DbiN070173; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:13:37 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBE1DaTn070165 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from romans (ip237.132.dial-acs01.sea.iinet.com [209.20.132.237]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EAF6ADD0; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:13:37 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Stefan Santesson'" Cc: Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:22:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01797F57@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Thread-Index: AcThVgDLsdkA4wPQQfyexavEjElEBAAD9FcQAAHzoJAAA1Ac4A== Message-Id: <20041214011337.91EAF6ADD0@smtp4.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Stefan, I believe that I could easily justify differences in behaviors here. However I think you need to put in some text saying that there is no difference as to what is included and a small justification for this. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Santesson [mailto:stefans@microsoft.com] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To: ietf@augustcellars.com > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > Thanks Jim, > > I agree on 1 3 and 4 to be fixed. > > I'm not so sure with 2. I think any such recommendations > should be handled in RFC 3851 where the S/MIME Capabilities > attribute is defined. > No use of this extension in certificate should differ in any > way from its use as signed attribute in S/MIME messages. > > I think that it would be confusing if we started to actually > specify/recommend the attribute content in 2 separate RFCs. > > Stefan Santesson > Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > > Sent: den 13 december 2004 15:01 > > To: Stefan Santesson > > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > > > Stefan, > > > > A couple of small comments on the draft, although I believe that it > could > > go > > to last call in its current state. > > > > 1. In section 2 you have the statement 'Algorithms should > be ordered > by > > preference.' As I general rule I attempt to avoid the use of must, > should > > and may when writing documents to avoid confusion with MUST, SHOULD > and > > MAY > > (did he just forget to capatilize it?). A better statement > might be > > 'Algorithms are expected to be be ordered by preference'. > > > > 2. I would like to see the addition of a paragraph describing the > types > > of > > capabilities that are expected to be listed. It seems obious that > bulk > > encryption algorithms are listed as, potentially, are key > encryption > > algorithms (consider RSA-OAEP as an example). However it > is not clear > > about some of the other potential capabililties. What > about signature > > and > hash > > algorithms? What about MAC algorithms? What about S/MIME specifics > such > > as > > id-cap-preferBinaryInside? > > > > 3. RFC 2199 is a reference, but the text refering to it is absent. > > > > 4. RFC 3280 is referenced only from the abstract. Duplicate text > should > > be > > placed in section 1. > > > > > > jim > > > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBDNmoMe056483; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBDNmoFo056482; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:48:50 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-eur1.microsoft.com (mail-eur1.microsoft.com [213.199.128.139]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBDNmmRe056464 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:48:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefans@microsoft.com) Received: from EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.44]) by mail-eur1.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1247); Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:48:38 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:48:25 -0000 Message-ID: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D01797F57@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Thread-Index: AcThVgDLsdkA4wPQQfyexavEjElEBAAD9FcQAAHzoJA= From: "Stefan Santesson" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2004 23:48:38.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[44471DA0:01C4E16E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iBDNmnRe056477 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Jim, I agree on 1 3 and 4 to be fixed. I'm not so sure with 2. I think any such recommendations should be handled in RFC 3851 where the S/MIME Capabilities attribute is defined. No use of this extension in certificate should differ in any way from its use as signed attribute in S/MIME messages. I think that it would be confusing if we started to actually specify/recommend the attribute content in 2 separate RFCs. Stefan Santesson Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > Sent: den 13 december 2004 15:01 > To: Stefan Santesson > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > Stefan, > > A couple of small comments on the draft, although I believe that it could > go > to last call in its current state. > > 1. In section 2 you have the statement 'Algorithms should be ordered by > preference.' As I general rule I attempt to avoid the use of must, should > and may when writing documents to avoid confusion with MUST, SHOULD and > MAY > (did he just forget to capatilize it?). A better statement might be > 'Algorithms are expected to be be ordered by preference'. > > 2. I would like to see the addition of a paragraph describing the types > of > capabilities that are expected to be listed. It seems obious that bulk > encryption algorithms are listed as, potentially, are key encryption > algorithms (consider RSA-OAEP as an example). However it is not clear > about > some of the other potential capabililties. What about signature and hash > algorithms? What about MAC algorithms? What about S/MIME specifics such > as > id-cap-preferBinaryInside? > > 3. RFC 2199 is a reference, but the text refering to it is absent. > > 4. RFC 3280 is referenced only from the abstract. Duplicate text should > be > placed in section 1. > > > jim > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBDMq1jv041717; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:52:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBDMq14b041716; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:52:01 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBDMq0te041524 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:52:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from romans (ip237.132.dial-acs01.sea.iinet.com [209.20.132.237]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283BD6AF5A; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:52:00 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Stefan Santesson'" Cc: Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:01:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200412132034.PAA16435@ietf.org> Thread-Index: AcThVgDLsdkA4wPQQfyexavEjElEBAAD9FcQ Message-Id: <20041213225200.283BD6AF5A@smtp4.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Stefan, A couple of small comments on the draft, although I believe that it could go to last call in its current state. 1. In section 2 you have the statement 'Algorithms should be ordered by preference.' As I general rule I attempt to avoid the use of must, should and may when writing documents to avoid confusion with MUST, SHOULD and MAY (did he just forget to capatilize it?). A better statement might be 'Algorithms are expected to be be ordered by preference'. 2. I would like to see the addition of a paragraph describing the types of capabilities that are expected to be listed. It seems obious that bulk encryption algorithms are listed as, potentially, are key encryption algorithms (consider RSA-OAEP as an example). However it is not clear about some of the other potential capabililties. What about signature and hash algorithms? What about MAC algorithms? What about S/MIME specifics such as id-cap-preferBinaryInside? 3. RFC 2199 is a reference, but the text refering to it is absent. 4. RFC 3280 is referenced only from the abstract. Duplicate text should be placed in section 1. jim Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBDKYG28097676; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:34:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBDKYGof097675; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:34:16 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBDKYFVm097669 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:34:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dinaras@cnri.reston.va.us) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA16435; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:34:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200412132034.PAA16435@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:34:18 -0500 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Certificate extension for S/MIME Capabilities Author(s) : S. Santesson Filename : draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2004-12-13 This document defines a certificate extension for inclusion of S/MIME capabilities in public key certificates defined by RFC 3280. S/MIME Capabilities provides an optional method to communicate cryptographic capabilities of the certified subject as a complement to use of the S/MIME Capabilities signed attribute in S/MIME messages according to RFC 3851. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-12-13145601.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-12-13145601.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBAF2YlC079635; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:02:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBAF2Ym3079634; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:02:34 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBAF2X2B079593 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:02:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from capel@comgate.com) Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iBAF1oVo007116; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:01:51 -0500 Received: from tony (ottawa-hs-209-217-122-183.s-ip.magma.ca [209.217.122.183]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iBAF1l7u019707; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:01:50 -0500 From: "Tony Capel" To: "'Denis Pinkas'" Cc: , "'Peter Gutmann'" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:05:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c4dec9$a7a75290$01b5a8c0@tony> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <41B9A8C8.2090309@bull.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iBAF2Y2B079627 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Denis: I did look at 3126 and indeed hope that the solution would be as close a subset (profile) of that as possible. 3126 has many capabilities, but was hoping for a simple way for originators (or originating domain gateways) to add information bound to the message instance which would reduce the load on the ultimate receivers - and especially receivers operating in foreign domains who do not want to understand certificate restrictions imposed within the originating domain. Also reducing receiver load is essential for telecontrol and SCADA where the actuators are simple and potentially on the end of restrictive communications links. I would not expect this to replace 3126 for more complex applications or where formal legal requirements must be met. An ideal solution could be a subset profile of 3126, potentially adding (as necessary) optional attributes. Also simplifications are possible since the "proof..." signerInfo is always constructed within the originating domain (so cross-certification, cert chaining, third party servers (including time stamp servers, arbiters, ...), etc. are not required). Denis, I wonder if you could suggest a profile of 3126 which could be used? If we can do this with a profile alone without anything new this would make everything easier. I was hoping all we needed was an appropriate signerInfo structure definition along with non-normative words describing how it is used. Tony | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org | [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Denis Pinkas | Sent: December 10, 2004 8:47 AM | To: Tony Capel | Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org; Peter Gutmann | Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt | | | | Tony, | | 3. This is already done with RFC 3126, "Electronic Signature | Formats for long term electronic signatures". | | RFC 3126 does not support the exact solution you propose, but | provides a | solution to the problem you want to solve. | | Denis | | | > This is not a comment on the proposed draft text, but rather a | > question as to whether the issue discussed below should be | addressed | > by adding another "enhanced service" to ESS or rather to consider a | > separate draft. | > | > The inclination is to keep it separate to avoid delaying | ESS-bis, but | > it MAY logically fit within ESS... | > | > The response to this e-mail could be: | > | > 1. Lets add a section to ESS to address this issue. | > 2. Issue sounds interesting but it should be proposed as a separate | > draft and we'll look at it. 3. This can already be done with "XYZ". | > 4. Not interested (silence). | > | > | > In any event, it provides an opportunity to breach the issue to the | > list and invite opinions! | > | > What is all this about? | > | > It is argued that there is a need for a scheme to permit | the inclusion | > of "proof of signing-certificate validation" in signed | messages (and | > potentially in signed receipts). ESS section 5 discusses a related | > issue. | > | > Traditional signed messaging using CMS and MSG is based on the | > originator appending a signature to a message which is subsequently | > checked by the message receiver(s), with receivers checking the | > validity (e.g. revocation status) of the corresponding public key | > certificate. This method has problems (detailed | > below) which could be mitigated if there was a way to force | the certificate (and | > certificate use) validation to occur at signing time (or | close to signing time). | > | > The traditional method has shortcomings in situations where | signature | > validation occurs some time after signature creation, as is | common in | > S/MIME environments where signed messages, including archived | > messages, may be checked months and possibly years later. If a key | > compromise and revocation were to occur in the meantime, or the | > certificate were to expire, the signature will be | incorrectly judged | > as invalid (or incapable of being verified). (Some | implementations try | > to cache old crls to permit old messages to be validated, | but this opens security | > holes.) | > | > It is also a concern when attempting to use this method for | > non-repudiation; since the subsequent compromise of the key | > (accidentally or otherwise) permits the originator to retroactively | > refute its creation. (And non-repudiation is not supported past | > certificate expiry.) | > | > A Time Stamp Server may be used to establish that the | message existed | > prior to a certain time so that subsequent key compromise (or | > certificate expiry) will not invalidate the signature. | However, this | > requires adjustment to the way in which the messages are | handled (e.g. | > copied to time stamp servers) and these services normally | do not fully | > understand originator security policies and cannot fully validate | > "correct use" of the certificate (as will be discussed next). | > | > Another issue arises if enterprises want to enforce how | signatures are | > applied using their certificates. For example the | enterprises may wish | > to enforce the X.509 privateKeyUsagePeriod attribute. | Enforcement of | > the "not Before" time is not possible with current approaches, and | > enforcement of "not After" suffers from the same | limitations discussed | > above. That is, the signature may have been applied at a | valid time, | > but the subsequent check by the receiver may occur after | signing key | > usage expiry, producing an erroneous negative result (and realizing | > that the "signing time" in the message cannot be trusted | since it is | > only protected by the signature being verified). | > | > Uncommon or unique-to-the-originating-enterprise signing-key usage | > restrictions may also not be capable of being enforced by receivers | > (or time stamp servers) since only the originating enterprise may | > understand their relevance. | > | > Some environments may further require the inclusion of fixed | > "boilerplate" or dynamically generated text statements limiting | > liability, or the inclusion of attribute certificates. While such | > statements may be included in certificates, or the security | policies | > associated with certificates, some enterprises may need to | use dynamic | > approaches which can be applied when the signature is applied. | > | > For example, authorization to commit the organization (e.g. in a | > purchase order) may be dynamically altered based on the date or | > temporarily delegated to specific identities (to support "acting" | > authorities, to designate current signing authority -"this | signature | > is valid only for purchases up to $10,000"-, etc). | > | > Finally, in automated applications, for example SCADA (Supervisory | > Control and Data Acquisition) and telecontrol applications, the | > relaxation of receiver revocation checking requirements will permit | > the deployment of receivers (e.g. | > actuators) with limited processing and on-line access | capabilities. For example, | > a programmable controller creating a command for a remote | actuator could be | > required to obtain and include the "proof" signerInfo | obtained from a local | > security server. By using short certificate periods in the | server and trusted | > clocks in the server and actuator, an adequately secure (potentially | > unidirectional simplex) command/control link might be established. | > | > Proposal: | > | > It is initially proposed to only define the "proof of signing | > certificate validation" signerInfo structure. The specification of | > how the originator, or any intermediate element, obtains this | > signerInfo from a "security server" could be left open | since this is | > not required for interoperability between the originator | and receiver. | > This operation will occur within the originating enterprise | and thus | > it MAY be implemented in a proprietary manner. Depending upon | > interest it might be advantageous to expose this interface and | > identify a protocol however. | > | > The "proof of certificate validation" SignerInfo itself | will rely on | > the use of a public certificate and so one might argue that | this only | > replaces one validation with another. However, it is | argued that the | > "proof of certificate validation" SignerInfo is created by a device | > high in the organization's trust hierarchy which can have | better key | > protection, potentially shorter certificate periods, and implement | > other measures to reduced the probability of compromise, | and thus the | > need for automated certificate validation may be avoided (e.g. | > replaced by manual means). | > | > | > If there is interest on the list, Peter Gutmann and I will put | > together a draft. | > | > HOWEVER, if Jim Schaad and the list were to prefer it be | included in | > the ESS revision we would happily turn it over! | > | > | > Tony | > | > | | Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBAEifpM063454; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:44:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBAEif3u063453; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:44:41 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [212.234.46.16]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBAEidLC063443 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 06:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr) Received: from chandon.edelweb.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by edelweb.fr (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id iBAEiWn22550; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from chandon.edelweb.fr (chandon.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.162]) by edelweb.fr (nospam/1.8); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:32 +0100 (MET) Received: (from peter@localhost) by chandon.edelweb.fr (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id iBAEiU029479; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:30 +0100 (MET) From: Peter Sylvester Message-Id: <200412101444.iBAEiU029479@chandon.edelweb.fr> To: capel@comgate.com, Denis.Pinkas@bull.net Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org, pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > > This is not a comment on the proposed draft text, but rather a question as to > > whether the issue discussed below should be addressed by adding another > > "enhanced service" to ESS or rather to consider a separate draft. > > > > The inclination is to keep it separate to avoid delaying ESS-bis, but it MAY > > logically fit within ESS... > > > > The response to this e-mail could be: > > > > 1. Lets add a section to ESS to address this issue. > > 2. Issue sounds interesting but it should be proposed as a separate draft and > > we'll look at it. > > 3. This can already be done with "XYZ". > > 4. Not interested (silence). > > the ad-hoc techniques od RFC 3126 adding time stamps are one point. As far as I remember there is also the possibility in PKCS9 to add a 'contenttype' structure as an attribute of whatever attesttion a 'signature validation' service (e.g. RFC 3029) can produce. Also, The topic of validation of signed documents seems to be part of the ltans group (notarisation). A binding of to a concrete field in CMS/ESS signedData as an attribute or so seems useful to me but to do this as generic as possible. What may fit logically into ESS seems to me is an 'extended rule for validation' of such structures, similar to the rule to validate ESSSigningCertificate. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBADlDFG009725; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:47:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBADlDce009724; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:47:13 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from odin2.bull.net (odin2.bull.net [192.90.70.84]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBADlBQY009490 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:47:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Denis.Pinkas@bull.net) Received: from cln-m001.frcl.bull.fr (cln-m001.frcl.bull.fr [129.182.91.40]) by odin2.bull.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22568; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:59:32 +0100 Received: from bull.net ([129.182.108.120]) by cln-m001.frcl.bull.fr (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2004121014465063:290 ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:46:50 +0100 Message-ID: <41B9A8C8.2090309@bull.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:46:48 +0100 From: Denis Pinkas Organization: Bull SA. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Capel CC: ietf-smime@imc.org, Peter Gutmann Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt References: <001801c4de32$17455f90$01b5a8c0@tony> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on CLN-M001/FR/BULL(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/12/2004 14:46:50, Serialize by Router on CLN-M001/FR/BULL(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 10/12/2004 14:47:01, Serialize complete at 10/12/2004 14:47:01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Tony, 3. This is already done with RFC 3126, "Electronic Signature Formats for long term electronic signatures". RFC 3126 does not support the exact solution you propose, but provides a solution to the problem you want to solve. Denis > This is not a comment on the proposed draft text, but rather a question as to > whether the issue discussed below should be addressed by adding another > "enhanced service" to ESS or rather to consider a separate draft. > > The inclination is to keep it separate to avoid delaying ESS-bis, but it MAY > logically fit within ESS... > > The response to this e-mail could be: > > 1. Lets add a section to ESS to address this issue. > 2. Issue sounds interesting but it should be proposed as a separate draft and > we'll look at it. > 3. This can already be done with "XYZ". > 4. Not interested (silence). > > > In any event, it provides an opportunity to breach the issue to the list and > invite opinions! > > What is all this about? > > It is argued that there is a need for a scheme to permit the inclusion of "proof > of signing-certificate validation" in signed messages (and potentially in signed > receipts). ESS section 5 discusses a related issue. > > Traditional signed messaging using CMS and MSG is based on the originator > appending a signature to a message which is subsequently checked by the message > receiver(s), with receivers checking the validity (e.g. revocation status) of > the corresponding public key certificate. This method has problems (detailed > below) which could be mitigated if there was a way to force the certificate (and > certificate use) validation to occur at signing time (or close to signing time). > > The traditional method has shortcomings in situations where signature validation > occurs some time after signature creation, as is common in S/MIME environments > where signed messages, including archived messages, may be checked months and > possibly years later. If a key compromise and revocation were to occur in the > meantime, or the certificate were to expire, the signature will be incorrectly > judged as invalid (or incapable of being verified). (Some implementations try to > cache old crls to permit old messages to be validated, but this opens security > holes.) > > It is also a concern when attempting to use this method for non-repudiation; > since the subsequent compromise of the key (accidentally or otherwise) permits > the originator to retroactively refute its creation. (And non-repudiation is > not supported past certificate expiry.) > > A Time Stamp Server may be used to establish that the message existed prior to a > certain time so that subsequent key compromise (or certificate expiry) will not > invalidate the signature. However, this requires adjustment to the way in which > the messages are handled (e.g. copied to time stamp servers) and these services > normally do not fully understand originator security policies and cannot fully > validate "correct use" of the certificate (as will be discussed next). > > Another issue arises if enterprises want to enforce how signatures are applied > using their certificates. For example the enterprises may wish to enforce the > X.509 privateKeyUsagePeriod attribute. Enforcement of the "not Before" time is > not possible with current approaches, and enforcement of "not After" suffers > from the same limitations discussed above. That is, the signature may have been > applied at a valid time, but the subsequent check by the receiver may occur > after signing key usage expiry, producing an erroneous negative result (and > realizing that the "signing time" in the message cannot be trusted since it is > only protected by the signature being verified). > > Uncommon or unique-to-the-originating-enterprise signing-key usage restrictions > may also not be capable of being enforced by receivers (or time stamp servers) > since only the originating enterprise may understand their relevance. > > Some environments may further require the inclusion of fixed "boilerplate" or > dynamically generated text statements limiting liability, or the inclusion of > attribute certificates. While such statements may be included in certificates, > or the security policies associated with certificates, some enterprises may need > to use dynamic approaches which can be applied when the signature is applied. > > For example, authorization to commit the organization (e.g. in a purchase order) > may be dynamically altered based on the date or temporarily delegated to > specific identities (to support "acting" authorities, to designate current > signing authority -"this signature is valid only for purchases up to $10,000"-, > etc). > > Finally, in automated applications, for example SCADA (Supervisory Control and > Data Acquisition) and telecontrol applications, the relaxation of receiver > revocation checking requirements will permit the deployment of receivers (e.g. > actuators) with limited processing and on-line access capabilities. For example, > a programmable controller creating a command for a remote actuator could be > required to obtain and include the "proof" signerInfo obtained from a local > security server. By using short certificate periods in the server and trusted > clocks in the server and actuator, an adequately secure (potentially > unidirectional simplex) command/control link might be established. > > Proposal: > > It is initially proposed to only define the "proof of signing certificate > validation" signerInfo structure. The specification of how the originator, or > any intermediate element, obtains this signerInfo from a "security server" could > be left open since this is not required for interoperability between the > originator and receiver. This operation will occur within the originating > enterprise and thus it MAY be implemented in a proprietary manner. Depending > upon interest it might be advantageous to expose this interface and identify a > protocol however. > > The "proof of certificate validation" SignerInfo itself will rely on the use of > a public certificate and so one might argue that this only replaces one > validation with another. However, it is argued that the "proof of certificate > validation" SignerInfo is created by a device high in the organization's trust > hierarchy which can have better key protection, potentially shorter certificate > periods, and implement other measures to reduced the probability of compromise, > and thus the need for automated certificate validation may be avoided (e.g. > replaced by manual means). > > > If there is interest on the list, Peter Gutmann and I will put together a draft. > > HOWEVER, if Jim Schaad and the list were to prefer it be included in the ESS > revision we would happily turn it over! > > > Tony > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB9Kv6e4032848; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:57:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB9Kv6un032847; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.magma.ca (mx2.magma.ca [206.191.0.250]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB9Kv1S1032762 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:57:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from capel@comgate.com) Received: from mail1.magma.ca (mail1.magma.ca [206.191.0.252]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iB9KuwGK017036; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:56:59 -0500 Received: from tony (ottawa-hs-209-217-122-183.s-ip.magma.ca [209.217.122.183]) by mail1.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iB9KuqdC022543; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:56:58 -0500 From: "Tony Capel" To: Cc: "Peter Gutmann" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:00:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c4de32$17455f90$01b5a8c0@tony> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <200411292016.PAA27107@ietf.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iB9Kv5S1032840 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is not a comment on the proposed draft text, but rather a question as to whether the issue discussed below should be addressed by adding another "enhanced service" to ESS or rather to consider a separate draft. The inclination is to keep it separate to avoid delaying ESS-bis, but it MAY logically fit within ESS... The response to this e-mail could be: 1. Lets add a section to ESS to address this issue. 2. Issue sounds interesting but it should be proposed as a separate draft and we'll look at it. 3. This can already be done with "XYZ". 4. Not interested (silence). In any event, it provides an opportunity to breach the issue to the list and invite opinions! What is all this about? It is argued that there is a need for a scheme to permit the inclusion of "proof of signing-certificate validation" in signed messages (and potentially in signed receipts). ESS section 5 discusses a related issue. Traditional signed messaging using CMS and MSG is based on the originator appending a signature to a message which is subsequently checked by the message receiver(s), with receivers checking the validity (e.g. revocation status) of the corresponding public key certificate. This method has problems (detailed below) which could be mitigated if there was a way to force the certificate (and certificate use) validation to occur at signing time (or close to signing time). The traditional method has shortcomings in situations where signature validation occurs some time after signature creation, as is common in S/MIME environments where signed messages, including archived messages, may be checked months and possibly years later. If a key compromise and revocation were to occur in the meantime, or the certificate were to expire, the signature will be incorrectly judged as invalid (or incapable of being verified). (Some implementations try to cache old crls to permit old messages to be validated, but this opens security holes.) It is also a concern when attempting to use this method for non-repudiation; since the subsequent compromise of the key (accidentally or otherwise) permits the originator to retroactively refute its creation. (And non-repudiation is not supported past certificate expiry.) A Time Stamp Server may be used to establish that the message existed prior to a certain time so that subsequent key compromise (or certificate expiry) will not invalidate the signature. However, this requires adjustment to the way in which the messages are handled (e.g. copied to time stamp servers) and these services normally do not fully understand originator security policies and cannot fully validate "correct use" of the certificate (as will be discussed next). Another issue arises if enterprises want to enforce how signatures are applied using their certificates. For example the enterprises may wish to enforce the X.509 privateKeyUsagePeriod attribute. Enforcement of the "not Before" time is not possible with current approaches, and enforcement of "not After" suffers from the same limitations discussed above. That is, the signature may have been applied at a valid time, but the subsequent check by the receiver may occur after signing key usage expiry, producing an erroneous negative result (and realizing that the "signing time" in the message cannot be trusted since it is only protected by the signature being verified). Uncommon or unique-to-the-originating-enterprise signing-key usage restrictions may also not be capable of being enforced by receivers (or time stamp servers) since only the originating enterprise may understand their relevance. Some environments may further require the inclusion of fixed "boilerplate" or dynamically generated text statements limiting liability, or the inclusion of attribute certificates. While such statements may be included in certificates, or the security policies associated with certificates, some enterprises may need to use dynamic approaches which can be applied when the signature is applied. For example, authorization to commit the organization (e.g. in a purchase order) may be dynamically altered based on the date or temporarily delegated to specific identities (to support "acting" authorities, to designate current signing authority -"this signature is valid only for purchases up to $10,000"-, etc). Finally, in automated applications, for example SCADA (Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition) and telecontrol applications, the relaxation of receiver revocation checking requirements will permit the deployment of receivers (e.g. actuators) with limited processing and on-line access capabilities. For example, a programmable controller creating a command for a remote actuator could be required to obtain and include the "proof" signerInfo obtained from a local security server. By using short certificate periods in the server and trusted clocks in the server and actuator, an adequately secure (potentially unidirectional simplex) command/control link might be established. Proposal: It is initially proposed to only define the "proof of signing certificate validation" signerInfo structure. The specification of how the originator, or any intermediate element, obtains this signerInfo from a "security server" could be left open since this is not required for interoperability between the originator and receiver. This operation will occur within the originating enterprise and thus it MAY be implemented in a proprietary manner. Depending upon interest it might be advantageous to expose this interface and identify a protocol however. The "proof of certificate validation" SignerInfo itself will rely on the use of a public certificate and so one might argue that this only replaces one validation with another. However, it is argued that the "proof of certificate validation" SignerInfo is created by a device high in the organization's trust hierarchy which can have better key protection, potentially shorter certificate periods, and implement other measures to reduced the probability of compromise, and thus the need for automated certificate validation may be avoided (e.g. replaced by manual means). If there is interest on the list, Peter Gutmann and I will put together a draft. HOWEVER, if Jim Schaad and the list were to prefer it be included in the ESS revision we would happily turn it over! Tony Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB43jKlM073098; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB43jJjl073087; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:45:19 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp001.bizmail.yahoo.com (smtp001.bizmail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.125]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id iB43jIp2072982 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:45:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (turners@ieca.com@70.21.4.88 with plain) by smtp001.bizmail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2004 03:45:22 -0000 Message-ID: <41B13267.3020201@ieca.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:43:35 -0500 From: "Sean P. Turner" Organization: IECA, Inc. 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I'd like to ask people to please review this document.

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This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Enhanced Security Services for S/MIME
	Author(s)	: J. Schaad
	Filename	: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2634-update-00.txt
	Pages		: 31
	Date		: 2004-11-29
	
This document describes the structures and procedures necessary to 
   provide a number of additional security services for S/MIME.  These 
   services are: 
    
   - signed receipts 
   - security labels 
   - secure mailing lists 
   - signing certificate validation 
    
   These services can be used by any CMS (Cryptographic Message Syntax) 
   based protocol.

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