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I'm still waiting to hear if there is anybody in the WG that is going to
review this draft?

spt 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org 
> [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Turner, Sean P.
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 8:39 AM
> To: 'S-MIME / IETF'
> Cc: 'pkix'
> Subject: RE: CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES)
> 
> 
> The question at hand is someone in the working group willing 
> to review this ID?
> 
> spt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org 
> [mailto:owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Denis Pinkas
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:20 AM
> To: S-MIME / IETF
> Cc: pkix
> Subject: CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES)
> 
> 
> To the S-MIME list,
> 
> 
> Copy: the PKIX list.
> 
> RFC 3126 has been issued in September 2001 and its title is:
> 
> "Electronic Signature Format for long term electronic signatures"
> 
> The contents of this Informational RFC is technically 
> equivalent to ETSI TS
> 101 733 V.1.2.2.
> 
> In the mean time, ETSI TC ESI has revised this Technical 
> Standard (TS) and is going to publish a new version of it 
> with a new title :
> 
> CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES), in order to be 
> the "brother" of XML Advanced Electronic Signatures (XAdES), 
> published as ETSI TS 101 903.
> 
> In order to make this document widely available, ETSI has 
> produced an equivalent of the revised TS using the format of a RFC.
> 
> This document is temporarily available (by a kind hosting 
> from Paul Offman)
> from:
> 
> <http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/TEMP-draft-pinkas-smime-cades-00.txt>
> 
> until is is officially posted in the IETF repository.
> 
> The major changes are mentioned section  J :
> 
>    "The title of the document has changed to be aligned with the title
>    of XAdES, the vocabulary used within the present document has been
>    aligned with the vocabulary used in XAdES,
> 
>    In the previous version of TS 101 733 (i.e. version 1.5.1)
>    sigPolicyHash was mandatory.  Implementations requiring to be
>    backward compatible with version 1.5.1 and previous versions
>    of the current document MUST include SigPolicyHash.
> 
>    The OIDs from the ASN.1 modules have changed for the following
>    reasons:
> 
>     - the OIDs of the ASN.1 modules of RFC 2560 and RFC 3161 have been
>       included.
> 
>     - since RFC 2459 and RFC 3369 has been obsoleted by RFC 3280 and
>       RFC 3852 respectively, there was the need to refer to the OIDs
>       of the ASN.1 modules of RFC 3280 and RFC 3852, instead of the
>       OIDs of the ASN.1 modules of RFC 2459 and RFC 3369.
> 
>     - the other change is related to the field sigPolicyHash from
>       SignaturePolicyId (see clause 5.8.1). That field was mandatory
>       and is now optional."
>  
> It is proposed to progress this document within the S-MIME WG 
> as an Informational Standard.
> 
> Denis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





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All,

The Version 2.5 S/MIME Freeware Library (SFL) source code and documents 
are freely available at:
<http://www.digitalnet.com/knowledge/sfl_home.htm>  

The SFL implements the IETF S/MIME v3 RFC 3852 Cryptographic Message
Syntax (CMS) and RFC 2634 Enhanced Security Services (ESS)
specifications.  It implements portions of the RFC 3851 Message
Specification, RFC 3850 Certificate Handling, and RFC 3370 CMS
Algorithms specifications.  When used in conjunction with the Crypto++
freeware library, the SFL implements the RFC 2631 Diffie-Hellman (D-H)
Key Agreement Method specification.  It has been successfully tested
using the Microsoft (MS) Windows 2000/XP, Linux and Sun Solaris 2.8
operating systems.  Further enhancements, ports and testing of the SFL
are still in process.  Further releases of the SFL will be provided as
significant capabilities are added. 

All source code for the SFL is being provided at no cost and with no
financial limitations regarding its use and distribution. Organizations
can use the SFL without paying any royalties or licensing fees.  BAE
Systems is developing the SFL under contract to the U.S. Government.
The U.S. Government is furnishing the SFL source code at no cost to the
vendor subject to the conditions of the "SMP Public License".

The SFL has been successfully used to sign, verify, encrypt and decrypt
CMS/ESS objects using: DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES algorithms provided by the
Crypto++ library; RSA suite of algorithms provided by the RSA BSAFE 6.0
Crypto-C and Crypto++ libraries; and Fortezza suite of algorithms
provided by the Fortezza Crypto Card.  The v2.5 SFL uses the v2.5
Certificate Management Library (CML) and v1.7 Enhanced SNACC (eSNACC)
ASN.1 C++ Library to encode/decode objects and certificate path
validation.  The v2.5 SFL release includes: SFL High-level library; Free
(a.k.a. Crypto++) Crypto Token Interface Library (CTIL); BSAFE CTIL;
Fortezza CTIL; PKCS #11 CTIL; Microsoft CAPI v2.0 CTIL; test
utilities; test drivers; and test data.  All CTILs were tested as
Dynamically Linked Libraries (DLL) using MS Windows.  The Fortezza,
BSAFE and Crypto++ CTILs were tested with the respective security
libraries as shared objects using Linux and Solaris 2.8.  

We used the SFL to successfully process the SFL-supported sample data 
included in the S/MIME WG "Examples of S/MIME Messages" document.  

The use of the v2.5 SFL is described in the v2.5 SFL Application
Programming Interface (API) and v2.5 SFL Software Design Description
documents.  The use of the v2.5 CTIL API is described in the v2.5 CTIL
API document. 

v2.5 SFL includes the following enhancements (compared to v2.4
SFL releases):

1.	CSM_CertificateChoice changed to reflect the Crytographic
Message Syntax (CMS) update for the CertificateChoice class.  The class
was enhanced with a mechanism to support additional certificate formats
without further changes to the CMS_CertificateChoice interface.  A new
member was added to handle the other significant format types.   You
will find the definition for this type in the SMIME/libCert library of
the SFL.  This requirement could not be fully implemented at this time
because otherCertFormat type has not been defined.  The SFL can only
encode and decode this type.  See CSM_CertificateChoice Class section
for further details. 

2.	Added new classes CSM_RevocationInfoChoice and
CSM_RevocationInfoChoices reflecting the CMS class RevocationInfoChoice
addition.  The new member SNACC::otherRevocationInfoFormat is in this
class to support revocation status information formats without further
changes to the CMS_RevocationInfoChoice. Full implementation is not
available at this time because otherRevocationInfoFormat type has not
been defined.  The SFL can only encode and decode this type.   

3.	The use of version numbers have changed.  The
CSM_CertificateChoice and CSM_RevocationInfoChoice have new members
which required version number logic changes.  

4.	Added support for the Crypto++ Implementation of AES to the
sm_free3 CTIL.  This was done because the Crypto++ implementation is
significantly faster than the previous rijndael reference version.  The
AES rijndael/rijndaelref.zip is no longer needed to build the SMP/SFL
library.  Free3 now provides the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES)
algorithm, and is no longer in the Common Class.

5.	To implement Appendix B of the RFC 3161, the TimeStampToken
verification code now uses the CML to verify that the date/time
indicated by the time stamp authority (TSA) falls within the validity
period of the TSA's signing certificate and that the TSA's signing
certificate was not revoked at the date/time of the time-stamping
operation. To this end, revocation checking by the CML library is
necessary, and the revPolicy member of the InitSettings of the CML
session structure needs to be set to CM_REVCRL.

The SFL is developed to maximize portability to 32-bit operating
systems.  In addition to testing on MS Windows, Linux and Solaris 2.8,
we may port the SFL to other operating systems.

On 14 January 2000, the U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of Export
Administration published a new regulation implementing an update to the
U.S. Government's encryption export policy
<http://www.bxa.doc.gov/Encryption/Default.htm>.  In accordance with the
revisions to the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) of 14 Jan 2000,
the downloading of the SFL source code is not password controlled.

The SFL is composed of a high-level library that performs generic CMS
and ESS processing independent of the crypto algorithms used to protect
a specific object.  The SFL high-level library makes calls to an
algorithm-independent CTIL API.  The underlying, external crypto token
libraries are not distributed as part of the SFL source code. The
application developer must independently obtain these libraries and then
link them with the SFL.  
 
The SFL uses the CML and eSNACC ASN.1 Library to encode/decode
certificates, ACs, CRLs and components thereof as well as to perform
certificate path validation.  The CML is freely available at:
<http://www.DigitalNet.com/knowledge/cml_home.htm>.

The SFL has been successfully tested in conjunction with the Access
Control Library (ACL) that is freely available to everyone from: 
<http://www.DigitalNet.com/knowledge/acl_home.htm>.

The Internet Mail Consortium (IMC) has established an SFL web page
<http://www.imc.org/imc-sfl>.  The IMC has also established an SFL mail
list which is used to: distribute information regarding SFL releases;
discuss SFL-related issues; and provide a means for SFL users to provide
feedback, comments, bug reports, etc.  Subscription information for the
imc-sfl mailing list is at the IMC web site listed above.

All comments regarding the SFL source code and documents are welcome.
This SFL release announcement was sent to several mail lists, but please
send all messages regarding the SFL to the imc-sfl mail list ONLY.
Please do not send messages regarding the SFL to any of the IETF mail
lists.  We will respond to all messages sent to the imc-sfl mail list.

-------------------------------------------------------- 
John Pawling
BAE SYSTEMS Information Technology
John.Pawling@it.baesystems.com




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Hi Radhika,=20
=20
frankly, I dont see the point of your questions, and my impression is
nor does anybody else. Rather than taking a lot of time trying to
explain (again) everything I'd like to quote rough working group
consensus that the QSPEC is ok the way it is.=20
=20
Cornelia

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Roy, Radhika (AEAD) [mailto:RoyR@saic-abingdon.com]=20
	Sent: Mittwoch, 17. August 2005 20:17
	To: Kappler, Cornelia
	Cc: Tseno Tsenov; nsis@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: [NSIS] QSPEC extensibility and re-use of multiple
instances of defined parameters
=09
=09

	Cornelia:

	In response to one of Tseno's questions, you have mentioned as
follows:

	".. accommodate as many QoS Models as possible .."

	In fact, it is NOT true. Even the QOS model like Y.1541 that has
been trying to be accommodated fully in the draft has been failed.
Please see the following draft:=20

=09
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nsis-y1541-qosm-00.txt
<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nsis-y1541-qosm-00.txt>=20

	The above draft shows that more extensions in QSPEC template are
needed.

	The basic question is this: Why do you want to include the QOS
model-specific extensions in the "generalized" QSPEC template draft?

	What you have done is this: Included Y1541 QOS model (which is
also incomplete) and DSTE QOS model (a cheap shot - basically only one
parameter).=20

	Tseno has mentioned the most fundamental QOS models of the IETF:
IntServ and DiffServ. You have failed to explain why you have not
included those in the draft.

	What do you mean that you have accommodated as many QOS models
as possible?

	Why do you NOT "delete" all so-called QOS model-specific
extensions from this draft?

	The way you should proceed is as follows:

	1.      Make the draft-ietf-nsis-y1541-qosm-00.txt complete
including "all" extensions QSPEC specific to y1541using all "specific
values." Also, show how to create y1541 domains using specific values
without contradicting the end-to-end values from end users' and/or
applications' point of view so that people can implement without
creating any confusions or contradictions.

	2.      Do the same writing another draft for DSTE model as
explained in item 1.=20

	3.      Delete all QOS model-specific extensions in the
generalized QSPEC draft.=20

	In this way, all drafts will be clean.

	If you have any questions, please let us know.

	Best regards,

	Radhika

	PS: I also explained in earlier emails (John L. also agreed)
that the use of both generalized QSPEC template and QOS model-specific
QSPEC template will create contradictions if domains are not created
carefully. The present QSPEC draft does not explain how to create
respective QOS domains using specific values in the first place.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: nsis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsis-bounces@ietf.org] On
Behalf Of Kappler, Cornelia
	Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:22 AM
	To: Tseno Tsenov; Ash, Gerald R (Jerry), ALABS; nsis@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: [NSIS] QSPEC extensibility and re-use of multiple
instances of defined parameters

	Hi Tseno - and John and Jerry,=20

	so there doesnt seem to be much concrete use for this additional
kind of

	extensibility. Therefore my suggestion is to not support it.=20

	Regarding your (Tseno) 2nd paragraph:=20

	In the QSPEC we tried to balance two mutually exclusive
requirements

	- accommodate as many QoS Models as possible

	- make the QSPEC as widely understood as possible without
defining too

	many parameters.=20

	We solved this problem by defining mandatory parameters which we
expect

	to be used in most QOSMs (e.g. bandwidth); and by requesting all
QNEs to

	_understand_ the mandatory parameters. That is, for a QOSM that
has no

	use of the mandatory parameters (which is quite unlikely by the
way)

	these parameters _dont need to be included_ in the QSPEC.
However this

	makes it unlikely that this QSPEC will be understood outside the
domain

	of this QOSM.=20

	I guess we have to explain this better in our document as this
is not

	the first time somebody (particularly someone really familiar
with NSIS)

	didn't really get the idea.

	Cornelia

	> -----Original Message-----

	> From: Tseno Tsenov [mailto:tseno.tsenov@mytum.de]=20

	> Sent: Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 20:30

	> To: Kappler, Cornelia; Ash, Gerald R (Jerry), ALABS;
nsis@ietf.org

	> Subject: Re: [NSIS] QSPEC extensibility and re-use of=20

	> multiple instances ofdefined parameters

	>=20

	>=20

	> Hi Cornelia,

	>=20

	> I agree that currently there might be no QoS model that uses=20

	> multiple values

	> of one QoS parameter (except the DiffServ case). However the
current

	> encoding approach restricts the extensibility of the QSPEC.

	>=20

	> Your example with usage of two different QoS classes which=20

	> are mandatory

	> parameters (and are redundant in some sense) raises other=20

	> question for me:

	> Again, we have a new QoS model does not use any of the
mandatory QSPEC

	> parameters and defines its own set of optional QSPEC=20

	> parameters. Then, is it

	> expected that some mandatory QSPEC parameters will be
"artificially"

	> included which will provide interoperability with other QoS
models?

	>=20

	> greetings,

	> Tseno_


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Radhika, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D184171108-18082005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D184171108-18082005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>frankly, I dont see the point of your questions, and my =
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the way it is. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D184171108-18082005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Cornelia</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Roy, =
Radhika=20
  (AEAD) [mailto:RoyR@saic-abingdon.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Mittwoch, 17. =
August=20
  2005 20:17<BR><B>To:</B> Kappler, Cornelia<BR><B>Cc:</B> Tseno Tsenov; =

  nsis@ietf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [NSIS] QSPEC extensibility and =
re-use of=20
  multiple instances of defined parameters<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><!-- =
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  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>Cornelia:</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>In response=20
  to one of Tseno's questions, you have mentioned as =
follows:</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>"..</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>accommodate</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2> as=20
  many QoS Models as possible</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> =
.."</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>In fact, it=20
  is NOT</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>true</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>. Even the QOS =
model like=20
  Y.1541 that has been</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us>=20
  <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>trying to</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =

  size=3D2>be</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>accommodate</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>d</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>fully</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>in =
the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>draft has</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =

  size=3D2>been</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>failed</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> Please see the following=20
  draft:</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT =

  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us> </SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nsis-y1541-qosm-00=
.txt"><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><U><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
  color=3D#0000ff=20
  =
size=3D2>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nsis-y1541-qosm-0=
0.txt</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN></A><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>The above=20
  draft shows that more extensions in QSPEC</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =

  size=3D2>template</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>are</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> =
n</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>e</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>eded.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>The basic=20
  question is this: Why do you want to include</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =

  size=3D2>the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> QO</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>S model-specific=20
  extension</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>in=20
  the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>"</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>generalized</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>"</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> Q</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>SPEC=20
  template</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> draft?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>What you=20
  have done is this: Included Y1541 QOS model (which is also incomplete) =
and=20
  DSTE</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>QOS</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>model (a cheap=20
  shot</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> - basically only one=20
  parameter</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>).</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us> </SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>Tseno has=20
  mentioned the most</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> fundamental QOS models of the IETF: =
IntServ and=20
  DiffServ. You have failed to explain why you have not included those =
in=20
  the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>draft.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>What do you=20
  mean that you have accommodated as many QOS models as=20
  possible?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>Why do=20
  you</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> NOT</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> =
"delete"</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>all=20
  so-called</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>QOS =
model-specific</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =

  size=3D2>extensions</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> from this draft?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =

  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>The way you=20
  should proceed</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>is as f</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>ollows:</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>Make the =
draft-ietf-nsis-y1541-qosm-00.txt=20
  complete including</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us>=20
  <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>"</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>all</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>"</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> =
extensions</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>=20
  QSPEC</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> specific to =
y1541</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>using=20
  all "specific values."</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> Also, show how =
to create y1541=20
  domains using specific values without contradicting the end-to-end =
values from=20
  end</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>users' and/or=20
  applications</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>' point of view so that people can =
implement=20
  without creating any confusions or contradictions.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>D</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>o the =
same</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =

  size=3D2>writing another draft</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>for DSTE model =
as explained in=20
  item</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>1</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>.</FONT></SPAN> =
</P>
  <P><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>3.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>Delete all QOS model-specific =
extensions in the=20
  generalized QSPEC draft.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN> </P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>In this=20
  way, all drafts</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>will be</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =

  size=3D2>clean</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>If you have=20
  any questions, please let us know.</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>Best=20
  regards</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>,</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>Radhika</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>PS: I also=20
  explained in earlier emails (John L. also agreed) =
that</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =

  size=3D2>the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us> <FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>use of both generalized QSPEC =
template and QOS=20
  model-specific QSPEC template</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> will =
create</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>=20
  contradictions if domains are not created carefully. The present QSPEC =
draft=20
  does not explain how to create</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>respective</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>QOS=20
  domains</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> using specific values in the first=20
  place.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: nsis-bounces@ietf.org [<A =

  =
href=3D"mailto:nsis-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:nsis-bounces@ietf.org</A>] =
On=20
  Behalf Of Kappler, Cornelia<BR>Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:22 =
AM<BR>To:=20
  Tseno Tsenov; Ash, Gerald R (Jerry), ALABS; nsis@ietf.org<BR>Subject: =
RE:=20
  [NSIS] QSPEC extensibility and re-use of multiple =
instances</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>of</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =

  size=3D2>defined parameters</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>Hi Tseno -=20
  and John and Jerry, </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>so there=20
  doesnt seem to be much concrete use for this additional kind=20
  of</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>extensibility. Therefore my suggestion is to not support it.=20
  </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>Regarding=20
  your (Tseno) 2nd paragraph: </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>In the=20
  QSPEC we tried to balance two mutually exclusive=20
requirements</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>-</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us> =
<FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>accommodate</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
  lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2> as=20
  many QoS Models as possible</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>- make the=20
  QSPEC as widely understood as possible without defining =
too</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>many=20
  parameters. </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>We solved=20
  this problem by defining mandatory parameters which we=20
expect</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>to be used=20
  in most QOSMs (e.g. bandwidth); and by requesting all QNEs=20
to</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>_understand_ the mandatory parameters. That is, for a QOSM =
that has=20
  no</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>use of the=20
  mandatory parameters (which is quite unlikely by the =
way)</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>these=20
  parameters _dont need to be included_ in the QSPEC. However=20
  this</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>makes it=20
  unlikely that this QSPEC will be understood outside the=20
  domain</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>of this=20
  QOSM. </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>I guess we=20
  have to explain this better in our document as this is =
not</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>the first=20
  time somebody (particularly someone really familiar with=20
  NSIS)</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>didn't</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=3Den-us></SPAN><SPAN =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2> really get the =
idea.</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
  size=3D2>Cornelia</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  -----Original Message-----</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt; From:=20
  Tseno Tsenov [<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:tseno.tsenov@mytum.de">mailto:tseno.tsenov@mytum.de</A>]=20
  </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt; Sent:=20
  Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 20:30</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt; To:=20
  Kappler, Cornelia; Ash, Gerald R (Jerry), ALABS;=20
  nsis@ietf.org</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  Subject: Re: [NSIS] QSPEC extensibility and re-use of =
</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  multiple instances ofdefined parameters</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt; Hi=20
  Cornelia,</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt; I=20
  agree that currently there might be no QoS model that uses =
</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  multiple values</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt; of one=20
  QoS parameter (except the DiffServ case). However the=20
current</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  encoding approach restricts the extensibility of the =
QSPEC.</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt; Your=20
  example with usage of two different QoS classes which =
</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt; are=20
  mandatory</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  parameters (and are redundant in some sense) raises other =
</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  question for me:</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt; Again,=20
  we have a new QoS model does not use any of the mandatory=20
  QSPEC</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  parameters and defines its own set of optional QSPEC =
</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  parameters. Then, is it</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  expected that some mandatory QSPEC parameters will be=20
  "artificially"</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  included which will provide interoperability with other QoS=20
  models?</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  greetings,</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>&gt;=20
  Tseno_</FONT></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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China Mobility Solutions Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: CHMS - News)
is pleased to announce its second quarter financial statements
for the period ended June 30, 2005. All figures are in US dollars.
The Company achieved revenues of $1,164,618 in the second quarter of 2005,
compared to $62,769 for the same period in 2004. CHMS revenues
are from net sales of mobile marketing services in China
and education courses offered in Canada. During the Quarter,
the Company's revenues from the two businesses were as follows: $1,133,972
from mobile marketing services and $30, 646 from education.

CHMS controls 51% of the mobile marketing services company
and acquired this interest subsequent to Q2 2004, which explains
the year-over-year discrepancy in revenue. While revenue
and costs of revenue have been consolidated for reporting purposes,
a 49% minority interest in the mobile marketing business exists,
reducing the net income by 49%.

China Mobility Solutions (OTC Bulletin Board: CHMS - News)
is a leading provider of mobile business solutions
to many diverse corporations across China. With its rapidly growing
client base of more than 20,000 Chinese companies and access
to a further 500,000 companies through its proprietary database,
China Mobility Solutions is well positioned to become one
of the largest providers of mobile business solutions in China.
The Company has proprietary profit-sharing contracts
with China's largest telecommunications companies -- China Mobile,
China Unicom and China Telecom. Analysts predict that by 2007,
China will have more than 500 million mobile phones in operation.
In 2003, more than 200 billion text messages were sent
through mobile phones in China.

At the quarter ended June 30, 2005, the Company had $5,843,782 in cash.

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Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with external encrypted data
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Greetings:

SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS.  Instead CMS
SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted and placed
inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS EnvelopedData
structure.

But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is detached
in a separate file from the original data.  And one can have a CMS
EnvelopedData structrure with decryption details in a separate file
from the encrypted data since the EncryptedContent is optional.

But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does one
impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, containing a
digital signature and decryption details, for a separate file or
stream of encrypted data?  Detachment is critical if one is dealing
with large (> 1GB) file or data streams.

There are many real world cases where you want to both sign and
encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it.
Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, like a CA,
software company, or service provider.  These trusted organiations can
digital signed and distribute CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted
with the customers public keys.  This is useful for provisioning, VoIP,
video on demand, etc.

If anyone has any reasonable work around for SignedAndEnvelopedData that
works with detached encrypted data and still meets the CMS standards,
please let me know.  Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending
the CMS specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData.

Thank you in advance.
Alicia.




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Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with external encrypted data
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Greetings:

SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS.  Instead CMS
SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted and placed
inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS EnvelopedData
structure.

But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is detached
in a separate file from the original data.  And one can have a CMS
EnvelopedData structrure with decryption details in a separate file
from the encrypted data since the EncryptedContent is optional.

But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does one
impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, containing a
digital signature and decryption details, for a separate file or
stream of encrypted data?  Detachment is critical if one is dealing
with large (> 1GB) file or data streams.

There are many real world cases where you want to both sign and
encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it.
Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, like a CA,
software company, or service provider.  These trusted organiations can
digital signed and distribute CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted
with the customers public keys.  This is useful for provisioning, VoIP,
video on demand, etc.

If anyone has any reasonable work around for SignedAndEnvelopedData that
works with detached encrypted data and still meets the CMS standards,
please let me know.  Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending
the CMS specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData.

Thank you in advance.
Alicia.





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Subject: Re: CMS and PKCS7 signedAndEnvelopedData
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Alicia:

The SignedAndEnvelopedData was dropped because of a security concern.  An 
attacker can remove the signature, essentially making an EnvelopedData, and 
the recipient has no way to tell that the originator intended to sign and 
encrypt the protected content.

Russ

At 08:13 AM 8/27/2005, Alicia da Conceicao wrote:

>Greetings:
>
>Does CMS (Cryptographic Message Syntax) support signedAndEnvelopedData
>as specified in PKCS7 v 1.5?  I cannot find any references to
>signedAndEnvelopedData in RFC-2630.
>
>Has signedAndEnvelopedData been deprecated in favour of placing signedData
>within encrypted envelopedData, in order to protect the identity of the
>signer?
>
>Thank you in advance.
>Alicia.




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Alicia,

I can think of atleast one way of dealing with this that meets your problem
in the current CMS method.  That would be to emit the encrypted body into
the data file and then have a EncryptedData object followed by a SignedData
object in the header information file.  While this would not be strictly a
CMS object in the second file the code could easily understand that the two
items would follow in sequence.  

Jim
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org 
> [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Alicia da 
> Conceicao
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:25 AM
> To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org
> Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with 
> external encrypted data
> 
> 
> Greetings:
> 
> SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS.  Instead 
> CMS SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted 
> and placed inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS 
> EnvelopedData structure.
> 
> But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is 
> detached in a separate file from the original data.  And one 
> can have a CMS EnvelopedData structrure with decryption 
> details in a separate file from the encrypted data since the 
> EncryptedContent is optional.
> 
> But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does 
> one impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, 
> containing a digital signature and decryption details, for a 
> separate file or stream of encrypted data?  Detachment is 
> critical if one is dealing with large (> 1GB) file or data streams.
> 
> There are many real world cases where you want to both sign 
> and encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it.
> Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, 
> like a CA, software company, or service provider.  These 
> trusted organiations can digital signed and distribute 
> CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted with the customers 
> public keys.  This is useful for provisioning, VoIP, video on 
> demand, etc.
> 
> If anyone has any reasonable work around for 
> SignedAndEnvelopedData that works with detached encrypted 
> data and still meets the CMS standards, please let me know.  
> Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending the CMS 
> specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> Alicia.
> 
> 
> 





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Alicia,

I can think of atleast one way of dealing with this that meets your problem
in the current CMS method.  That would be to emit the encrypted body into
the data file and then have a EncryptedData object followed by a SignedData
object in the header information file.  While this would not be strictly a
CMS object in the second file the code could easily understand that the two
items would follow in sequence.  

Jim
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org 
> [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Alicia da 
> Conceicao
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:25 AM
> To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org
> Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with 
> external encrypted data
> 
> 
> Greetings:
> 
> SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS.  Instead 
> CMS SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted 
> and placed inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS 
> EnvelopedData structure.
> 
> But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is 
> detached in a separate file from the original data.  And one 
> can have a CMS EnvelopedData structrure with decryption 
> details in a separate file from the encrypted data since the 
> EncryptedContent is optional.
> 
> But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does 
> one impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, 
> containing a digital signature and decryption details, for a 
> separate file or stream of encrypted data?  Detachment is 
> critical if one is dealing with large (> 1GB) file or data streams.
> 
> There are many real world cases where you want to both sign 
> and encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it.
> Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, 
> like a CA, software company, or service provider.  These 
> trusted organiations can digital signed and distribute 
> CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted with the customers 
> public keys.  This is useful for provisioning, VoIP, video on 
> demand, etc.
> 
> If anyone has any reasonable work around for 
> SignedAndEnvelopedData that works with detached encrypted 
> data and still meets the CMS standards, please let me know.  
> Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending the CMS 
> specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> Alicia.
> 
> 
> 




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Alicia:

The SignedAndEnvelopedData was dropped because of a security concern.  An 
attacker can remove the signature, essentially making an EnvelopedData, and 
the recipient has no way to tell that the originator intended to sign and 
encrypt the protected content.

Russ

At 08:13 AM 8/27/2005, Alicia da Conceicao wrote:

>Greetings:
>
>Does CMS (Cryptographic Message Syntax) support signedAndEnvelopedData
>as specified in PKCS7 v 1.5?  I cannot find any references to
>signedAndEnvelopedData in RFC-2630.
>
>Has signedAndEnvelopedData been deprecated in favour of placing signedData
>within encrypted envelopedData, in order to protect the identity of the
>signer?
>
>Thank you in advance.
>Alicia.



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Greetings:

SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS.  Instead CMS
SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted and placed
inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS EnvelopedData
structure.

But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is detached
in a separate file from the original data.  And one can have a CMS
EnvelopedData structrure with decryption details in a separate file
from the encrypted data since the EncryptedContent is optional.

But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does one
impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, containing a
digital signature and decryption details, for a separate file or
stream of encrypted data?  Detachment is critical if one is dealing
with large (> 1GB) file or data streams.

There are many real world cases where you want to both sign and
encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it.
Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, like a CA,
software company, or service provider.  These trusted organiations can
digital signed and distribute CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted
with the customers public keys.  This is useful for provisioning, VoIP,
video on demand, etc.

If anyone has any reasonable work around for SignedAndEnvelopedData that
works with detached encrypted data and still meets the CMS standards,
please let me know.  Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending
the CMS specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData.

Thank you in advance.
Alicia.




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Greetings:

SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS.  Instead CMS
SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted and placed
inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS EnvelopedData
structure.

But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is detached
in a separate file from the original data.  And one can have a CMS
EnvelopedData structrure with decryption details in a separate file
from the encrypted data since the EncryptedContent is optional.

But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does one
impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, containing a
digital signature and decryption details, for a separate file or
stream of encrypted data?  Detachment is critical if one is dealing
with large (> 1GB) file or data streams.

There are many real world cases where you want to both sign and
encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it.
Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, like a CA,
software company, or service provider.  These trusted organiations can
digital signed and distribute CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted
with the customers public keys.  This is useful for provisioning, VoIP,
video on demand, etc.

If anyone has any reasonable work around for SignedAndEnvelopedData that
works with detached encrypted data and still meets the CMS standards,
please let me know.  Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending
the CMS specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData.

Thank you in advance.
Alicia.



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The I-D for CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES) has been updated
to correct a few typos and ASN.1 errors in the ASN.1 modules.

It is now available at:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pinkas-smime-cades-01.txt

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All,

The Version 2.5 S/MIME Freeware Library (SFL) source code and documents 
are freely available at:
<http://www.digitalnet.com/knowledge/sfl_home.htm>  

The SFL implements the IETF S/MIME v3 RFC 3852 Cryptographic Message
Syntax (CMS) and RFC 2634 Enhanced Security Services (ESS)
specifications.  It implements portions of the RFC 3851 Message
Specification, RFC 3850 Certificate Handling, and RFC 3370 CMS
Algorithms specifications.  When used in conjunction with the Crypto++
freeware library, the SFL implements the RFC 2631 Diffie-Hellman (D-H)
Key Agreement Method specification.  It has been successfully tested
using the Microsoft (MS) Windows 2000/XP, Linux and Sun Solaris 2.8
operating systems.  Further enhancements, ports and testing of the SFL
are still in process.  Further releases of the SFL will be provided as
significant capabilities are added. 

All source code for the SFL is being provided at no cost and with no
financial limitations regarding its use and distribution. Organizations
can use the SFL without paying any royalties or licensing fees.  BAE
Systems is developing the SFL under contract to the U.S. Government.
The U.S. Government is furnishing the SFL source code at no cost to the
vendor subject to the conditions of the "SMP Public License".

The SFL has been successfully used to sign, verify, encrypt and decrypt
CMS/ESS objects using: DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES algorithms provided by the
Crypto++ library; RSA suite of algorithms provided by the RSA BSAFE 6.0
Crypto-C and Crypto++ libraries; and Fortezza suite of algorithms
provided by the Fortezza Crypto Card.  The v2.5 SFL uses the v2.5
Certificate Management Library (CML) and v1.7 Enhanced SNACC (eSNACC)
ASN.1 C++ Library to encode/decode objects and certificate path
validation.  The v2.5 SFL release includes: SFL High-level library; Free
(a.k.a. Crypto++) Crypto Token Interface Library (CTIL); BSAFE CTIL;
Fortezza CTIL; PKCS #11 CTIL; Microsoft CAPI v2.0 CTIL; test
utilities; test drivers; and test data.  All CTILs were tested as
Dynamically Linked Libraries (DLL) using MS Windows.  The Fortezza,
BSAFE and Crypto++ CTILs were tested with the respective security
libraries as shared objects using Linux and Solaris 2.8.  

We used the SFL to successfully process the SFL-supported sample data 
included in the S/MIME WG "Examples of S/MIME Messages" document.  

The use of the v2.5 SFL is described in the v2.5 SFL Application
Programming Interface (API) and v2.5 SFL Software Design Description
documents.  The use of the v2.5 CTIL API is described in the v2.5 CTIL
API document. 

v2.5 SFL includes the following enhancements (compared to v2.4
SFL releases):

1.	CSM_CertificateChoice changed to reflect the Crytographic
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was enhanced with a mechanism to support additional certificate formats
without further changes to the CMS_CertificateChoice interface.  A new
member was added to handle the other significant format types.   You
will find the definition for this type in the SMIME/libCert library of
the SFL.  This requirement could not be fully implemented at this time
because otherCertFormat type has not been defined.  The SFL can only
encode and decode this type.  See CSM_CertificateChoice Class section
for further details. 

2.	Added new classes CSM_RevocationInfoChoice and
CSM_RevocationInfoChoices reflecting the CMS class RevocationInfoChoice
addition.  The new member SNACC::otherRevocationInfoFormat is in this
class to support revocation status information formats without further
changes to the CMS_RevocationInfoChoice. Full implementation is not
available at this time because otherRevocationInfoFormat type has not
been defined.  The SFL can only encode and decode this type.   

3.	The use of version numbers have changed.  The
CSM_CertificateChoice and CSM_RevocationInfoChoice have new members
which required version number logic changes.  

4.	Added support for the Crypto++ Implementation of AES to the
sm_free3 CTIL.  This was done because the Crypto++ implementation is
significantly faster than the previous rijndael reference version.  The
AES rijndael/rijndaelref.zip is no longer needed to build the SMP/SFL
library.  Free3 now provides the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES)
algorithm, and is no longer in the Common Class.

5.	To implement Appendix B of the RFC 3161, the TimeStampToken
verification code now uses the CML to verify that the date/time
indicated by the time stamp authority (TSA) falls within the validity
period of the TSA's signing certificate and that the TSA's signing
certificate was not revoked at the date/time of the time-stamping
operation. To this end, revocation checking by the CML library is
necessary, and the revPolicy member of the InitSettings of the CML
session structure needs to be set to CM_REVCRL.

The SFL is developed to maximize portability to 32-bit operating
systems.  In addition to testing on MS Windows, Linux and Solaris 2.8,
we may port the SFL to other operating systems.

On 14 January 2000, the U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of Export
Administration published a new regulation implementing an update to the
U.S. Government's encryption export policy
<http://www.bxa.doc.gov/Encryption/Default.htm>.  In accordance with the
revisions to the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) of 14 Jan 2000,
the downloading of the SFL source code is not password controlled.

The SFL is composed of a high-level library that performs generic CMS
and ESS processing independent of the crypto algorithms used to protect
a specific object.  The SFL high-level library makes calls to an
algorithm-independent CTIL API.  The underlying, external crypto token
libraries are not distributed as part of the SFL source code. The
application developer must independently obtain these libraries and then
link them with the SFL.  
 
The SFL uses the CML and eSNACC ASN.1 Library to encode/decode
certificates, ACs, CRLs and components thereof as well as to perform
certificate path validation.  The CML is freely available at:
<http://www.DigitalNet.com/knowledge/cml_home.htm>.

The SFL has been successfully tested in conjunction with the Access
Control Library (ACL) that is freely available to everyone from: 
<http://www.DigitalNet.com/knowledge/acl_home.htm>.

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<http://www.imc.org/imc-sfl>.  The IMC has also established an SFL mail
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John Pawling
BAE SYSTEMS Information Technology
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I'm still waiting to hear if there is anybody in the WG that is going to
review this draft?

spt 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org 
> [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Turner, Sean P.
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 8:39 AM
> To: 'S-MIME / IETF'
> Cc: 'pkix'
> Subject: RE: CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES)
> 
> 
> The question at hand is someone in the working group willing 
> to review this ID?
> 
> spt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org 
> [mailto:owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Denis Pinkas
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:20 AM
> To: S-MIME / IETF
> Cc: pkix
> Subject: CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES)
> 
> 
> To the S-MIME list,
> 
> 
> Copy: the PKIX list.
> 
> RFC 3126 has been issued in September 2001 and its title is:
> 
> "Electronic Signature Format for long term electronic signatures"
> 
> The contents of this Informational RFC is technically 
> equivalent to ETSI TS
> 101 733 V.1.2.2.
> 
> In the mean time, ETSI TC ESI has revised this Technical 
> Standard (TS) and is going to publish a new version of it 
> with a new title :
> 
> CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES), in order to be 
> the "brother" of XML Advanced Electronic Signatures (XAdES), 
> published as ETSI TS 101 903.
> 
> In order to make this document widely available, ETSI has 
> produced an equivalent of the revised TS using the format of a RFC.
> 
> This document is temporarily available (by a kind hosting 
> from Paul Offman)
> from:
> 
> <http://www.imc.org/ietf-smime/TEMP-draft-pinkas-smime-cades-00.txt>
> 
> until is is officially posted in the IETF repository.
> 
> The major changes are mentioned section  J :
> 
>    "The title of the document has changed to be aligned with the title
>    of XAdES, the vocabulary used within the present document has been
>    aligned with the vocabulary used in XAdES,
> 
>    In the previous version of TS 101 733 (i.e. version 1.5.1)
>    sigPolicyHash was mandatory.  Implementations requiring to be
>    backward compatible with version 1.5.1 and previous versions
>    of the current document MUST include SigPolicyHash.
> 
>    The OIDs from the ASN.1 modules have changed for the following
>    reasons:
> 
>     - the OIDs of the ASN.1 modules of RFC 2560 and RFC 3161 have been
>       included.
> 
>     - since RFC 2459 and RFC 3369 has been obsoleted by RFC 3280 and
>       RFC 3852 respectively, there was the need to refer to the OIDs
>       of the ASN.1 modules of RFC 3280 and RFC 3852, instead of the
>       OIDs of the ASN.1 modules of RFC 2459 and RFC 3369.
> 
>     - the other change is related to the field sigPolicyHash from
>       SignaturePolicyId (see clause 5.8.1). That field was mandatory
>       and is now optional."
>  
> It is proposed to progress this document within the S-MIME WG 
> as an Informational Standard.
> 
> Denis
> 
> 
> 
> 
>