From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 1 14:57:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6F43A67E9 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:57:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6EiLrFdvGAV5 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DF83A6890 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m91Lj19p062237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:45:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m91Lj1kr062236; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:45:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp100.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.52.46]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m91LinB3062168 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:45:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: (qmail 53281 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 21:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Wylie) (turners@71.191.10.224 with login) by smtp100.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 21:44:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wmoSJhAVM1lYgsHC_Jiomxcelw77pRMEReeuV6yOApN8sa9PKpzRT9JY0g9fI4BVRmBKCbZASh60WGvVPxCk6yWbo2.hSKq5bSOwzGn5_VESwU92GejTNOr.p4h4NlG6ziQxOJ7wBwbB4UO_J3Oc6VnVDg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Turner, Sean P." To: References: <20080929170001.4ACD628C128@core3.amsl.com> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02.txt Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:44:38 -0400 Organization: IECA, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckiVZL3l9LMHssFQYGDYXvp95GJEQAAkLyA In-Reply-To: <20080929170001.4ACD628C128@core3.amsl.com> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This version addresses most of Jim's comments. The two comments not fully addressed are: - AuthenticatedData/AuthEnvelopedData issues - parameter issues With respect to the parameters, instead of repeating the text for parameters from various IDs/RFCs we should just point to those other IDs/RFCs. RFC 3278: - Didn't indicate the parameters for SHA-1. Section 7.1.1 now points to draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08 for SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA-384, and SHA-512 parameters. I should have added a reference to RFC 3370 for SHA-1 in this version but forgot will add it in draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03. - Indicated that the parameters for id-ecPublicKey were NULL for the originator field. Section 7.1.2 now states that the parameters for id-ecPublicKey are absent, NULL, or ECParameters (see editorial fix below). Since id-ecPublicKey is only used in originatorKey is used for ECDSA and the parameters for it are always ECParameters and always present (from draft-ietf-pkix-sha2-dsa-ecdsa) and other NIST specified signature algorithm parameter's are absent (e.g., DSA), NULL parameters seems wrong. Section 7.1.2 also states that parameters are preferred absent and if ECParameters are included they are ignored (we get them from the certificate). I'll add a note in -03 to indicate the old way has been changed. - Indicated that the parameters for ECDSA with SHA-1 were NULL. draft-ietf-pkix-ecc-subpubkeyinfo/draft-ietf-pkix-sha2-dsa-ecdsa indicates the parameters are absent. Section 7.1.3 now just points to the other drafts. I'll add a note in -03 to indicate the old way has been changed. - Was a little vague about KeyWrapAlgorithm ::= AgorithmIdentifier as the parameters. Section 7.1.4 of draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 clarifies this. - Indicated that key wrap algorithm parameters were NULL. This is correct for Triple-DES but not for AES. Section 7.1.5 draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 now points to the appropriate documents for the object identifiers and parameters for the key wrap algorithms. I'll add a note in -03 to indicate the old way has been changed. - Didn't indicate the parameters for content encryption algorithms. Section 7.1.6. of draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 points to the appropriate documents for object identifiers and parameters. - Didn't indicate the parameters for message authentication algorithms. Section 7.1.6 of draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 points to the appropriate documents for object identifiers and parameters. I've already caught some other edits: - in 7.1.2 it ECPoint should be replaced by ECParameters. - in 7.1.7 SHA-1 is repeated many times and should be replaced by SHA-256, SHA-384, and SHA-512 - throughout I should have replaced SHA1 with SHA-1 where appropriate. spt >-----Original Message----- >From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org >[mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:00 PM >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02.txt > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >Internet-Drafts directories. >This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working >Group of the IETF. > > Title : Use of Elliptic Curve Cryptography >(ECC) Algorithms in Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) > Author(s) : S. Turner, D. Brown > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02.txt > Pages : 53 > Date : 2008-9-29 > >This document describes how to use Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) > public-key algorithms in the Cryptographic Message Syntax >(CMS). The > ECC algorithms support the creation of digital signatures and the > exchange of keys to encrypt or authenticate content. The >definition of the algorithm processing is based on the NIST >FIPS 186-3 for > digital signature, NIST SP800-56A for key agreement, RFC >3565 for key > wrap and content encryption, NIST FIPS 180-3 for message >digest, and > RFCs 2104 and 4231 for message authentication code standards. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02.txt > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail >reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII >version of the Internet-Draft. > From 9922780@nb.sympatico.ca Fri Oct 3 03:34:31 2008 Return-Path: <9922780@nb.sympatico.ca> X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C668A3A6ABF for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 03:34:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.577 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.499, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=2.077] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2fAL+zTZ1Y8G for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 03:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.163]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6733A68C4 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 03:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.91]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081003103459.EAUV1673.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:34:59 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuVuAHqS5UjOL8eh/2dsb2JhbACBcQoQiXWIN6gYgQg Received: from simfep6.bellnexxia.net (HELO smtp8.sympatico.ca) ([206.47.199.161]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with SMTP; 03 Oct 2008 06:42:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.10 (webedge20-101-191-20030113) X-Originating-IP: [72.167.203.129] From: Mrs. Sarah Grant <9922780@nb.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: shgrant56@starmail.co.za To: Subject: PLEASE I NEED YOUR HELP Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 6:34:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20081003103459.EAUV1673.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip11-ac.srvr.bell.ca> I am Mrs. Sarah Grant, my husband deposited 7.5 Million Pounds with a Bank when he was alive. I'm suffering from esophageal cancer, help me Stand-in as my beneficiary and collect the Funds finance Charity Organisations.contact me on : shgrant56@starmail.co.za From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Oct 3 14:03:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A633A68E1 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:03:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XIcNBI5j16-T for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A733A6807 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93KkqdM084024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:46:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m93Kkq29084023; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93KkfKK084011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from GALATIONS (unknown [74.92.162.33]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C9A77B1; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "Sean P. Turner" Cc: References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:43:43 -0700 Message-ID: <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckgKgrgKmNEQe1lR5KPs80gOLZdkQFbNO8A Content-Language: en-us Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Sean, 1. Implenations MUST have absent parameters for SHA-2 -- there is no reason to allow anything else to run. I won't dispute the MUST read with NULL parameters however much I would like to. The defect does not really apply as plenty of time has passed and this is a new algorithm. The only exception to this appears to be in OAEP and PSS where the parameters are explicitly defined as being required. 2. Why allow for optional parameters on the signature algorithms for rsa - not permitted for sha-1WithRSAEncryption. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:45 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of > the IETF. > > Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with Cryptographic Message > Syntax > Author(s) : S. Turner > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2008-9-26 > > This document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash > Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA- > 384, > SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also > describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and > the > Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman (RSA), and > Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. 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To: "'Jim Schaad'" Cc: References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:09:13 -0400 Organization: IECA, Inc. Message-ID: <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> Thread-Index: AckgKgrgKmNEQe1lR5KPs80gOLZdkQFbNO8AAAC8VSA= Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Jim, 1. I was just following the conventions for SHA-1. I take it you're suggesting we should break with those conventions? 2. I copied the last paragraph in 3.2 from RFC 4055 section 5. spt >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 4:44 PM >To: Sean P. Turner >Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org >Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > >Sean, > >1. Implenations MUST have absent parameters for SHA-2 -- >there is no reason to allow anything else to run. I won't >dispute the MUST read with NULL parameters however much I >would like to. The defect does not really apply >as plenty of time has passed and this is a new algorithm. The only >exception to this appears to be in OAEP and PSS where the >parameters are explicitly defined as being required. > >2. Why allow for optional parameters on the signature >algorithms for rsa - not permitted for sha-1WithRSAEncryption. > > >jim > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- >> smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:45 PM >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org >> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security >Working Group of >> the IETF. >> >> Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with >Cryptographic Message >> Syntax >> Author(s) : S. Turner >> Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt >> Pages : 10 >> Date : 2008-9-26 >> >> This document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash >> Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA- >> 384, >> SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also >> describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and >> the >> Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman >(RSA), and >> Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >> Internet-Draft. > From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Oct 3 19:17:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFD43A6B28 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZ1Je7PC99Rc for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C852E3A68BC for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9424qBr011667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9424qu6011665; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9424f4Y011601 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from blaker@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 18so1334424fkq.10 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:04:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KYC+oqtyNC9AM58PAuAF816F+amkcpDpAcKbYyuObYE=; b=OAn/90aUvekIkYrU5RKx8PG8pdbC3E+pFQuIGi2HndnXB/gY+sDgqD60fWS0AJ3RR5 FJmxfkb0/wG7GBn2g1QzQ6OCljWwJP4K99gdKazIR6PjLDMPBbeGLdwcGSlV2bUtz6R7 RSAdNiMbs+9k8wOMo0ZAQiOxDlSwE1yY/J3Mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=YCxNf43JwPLlgfYICJWJbqXyw8p1Tya5ANCaexQWZvjxtzUBDSDEuk/QpIcAwSehWr ID/l5qVDBkvppBN9KArrjjIEFvK6/cziYA+JRxzKrzSkjt9WrfODHg9HbxSDoGp+TcZL 889Qy5YVonmpw7dpzUIqZSfqnQf3bCIUay8m0= Received: by 10.180.207.7 with SMTP id e7mr1477898bkg.18.1223085880059; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.28.11 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <985966520810031904w41a557ddk1c4822c852ecb7fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:39 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "Turner, Sean P." Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Cc: "Jim Schaad" , ietf-smime@imc.org In-Reply-To: <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Turner, Sean P. wrote: > 1. I was just following the conventions for SHA-1. I take it you're > suggesting we should break with those conventions? This is something we debated back in the DSA days. The bottom line is that we were younger and dumber back in the 90's for AlgorithmIdentifier, and now we know that the parameters are an optional field. So the bottom line is that new algorithms should be absent parameters instead of encoded as NULL. >From RFC 2633: 2.2 SignatureAlgorithmIdentifier Sending and receiving agents MUST support id-dsa defined in [DSS]. The algorithm parameters MUST be absent (not encoded as NULL). So yeah, we're kind of jerks for carting around some of this NULL for the older algorithms, but the rule of thumb is that "for any new algorithms, the parameters are absent if there aren't any". Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | http://www.blakeramsdell.com From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Sat Oct 4 12:30:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548CA3A67A7 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.624 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.624 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bHYBE2gtG59X for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06BF3A6813 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94JGNIj083358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m94JGNQi083357; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp102.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.216]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m94JGBjA083343 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: (qmail 41822 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 19:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Wylie) (turners@71.191.10.224 with login) by smtp102.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 19:16:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: T3dkBBkVM1mliKIy13AclXETWm5dsDW5akq76lBEAl0ncUJ_wWOxdeOW4y1lN3XXZRxbVgMXTm.8KqsoK3y6snsJZm0tSGDOiqT4LFyym_aNpKOK1AgCCw8fdCurnCBJ_7E.oegBF5NkU38Q8BwDAeBwAA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Turner, Sean P." To: References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> <985966520810031904w41a557ddk1c4822c852ecb7fc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:15:54 -0400 Organization: IECA, Inc. Message-ID: <49BF2066C5CD4B06BA6E078947DC9A27@Wylie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <985966520810031904w41a557ddk1c4822c852ecb7fc@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acklx3UYxSYe/092SCabwUqvik/i+wAXuZ8g Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: In para 2, I'll remove the paragraph that starts "There are two possible encodings for the SHA AlgorithmIdentifier ..." and I'll change the last paragraph in 2 from: The AlgorithmIdentifier parameters field is OPTIONAL. If present, the parameters field MUST contain a NULL. Implementations MUST accept SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with absent parameters. Implementations MUST accept SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with NULL parameters. Implementations SHOULD generate SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with absent parameters. To: The AlgorithmIdentifier parameters field is OPTIONAL. Implementations MUST accept SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with absent parameters. Implementations MUST accept SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with NULL parameters. Implementations MUST generate SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with absent parameters. I'll post a new version Monday and I think we'll re-do a WGLC with a one week period. This time will give implementers with experience to chime in. spt >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org >[mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:05 PM >To: Turner, Sean P. >Cc: Jim Schaad; ietf-smime@imc.org >Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > >On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Turner, Sean P. > wrote: >> 1. I was just following the conventions for SHA-1. I take it you're >> suggesting we should break with those conventions? > >This is something we debated back in the DSA days. The bottom >line is that we were younger and dumber back in the 90's for >AlgorithmIdentifier, and now we know that the parameters are >an optional field. So the bottom line is that new algorithms >should be absent parameters instead of encoded as NULL. > >From RFC 2633: > >2.2 SignatureAlgorithmIdentifier > > Sending and receiving agents MUST support id-dsa defined in [DSS]. > The algorithm parameters MUST be absent (not encoded as NULL). > >So yeah, we're kind of jerks for carting around some of this >NULL for the older algorithms, but the rule of thumb is that >"for any new algorithms, the parameters are absent if there >aren't any". > >Blake >-- >Blake Ramsdell | http://www.blakeramsdell.com > From grete@spaces.live.com Sat Oct 4 14:14:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE283A68D7 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.417 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24=2.189, DOS_OE_TO_MX=2.75, FB_ADD_INCHES=2.131, HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP=3.493, HELO_EQ_DYNAMIC=1.144, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z7EY+PiP-cRc for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 216.pool85-49-244.dynamic.orange.es (216.pool85-49-244.dynamic.orange.es [85.49.244.216]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E653A677D for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000501c9272e$01bbc5c9$8c75e08e@kdngavjo> From: "goober jianli" To: Subject: Break out of your sexual drought Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:23:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C9272E.01BB7388" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C9272E.01BB7388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Add inches to your length hassle free and rapidly ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C9272E.01BB7388 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C9272E.01BB7388-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Sun Oct 5 14:37:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB1F3A679C for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:37:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8RbwUVJ37jsE for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E013A6968 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m95LHepY078055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m95LHeOp078054; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m95LHS0h078041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from GALATIONS (static-66-14-119-7.bdsl.verizon.net [66.14.119.7]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECE66B741; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Turner, Sean P.'" Cc: References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> In-Reply-To: <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: <030401c9272f$c41b4f00$4c51ed00$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckgKgrgKmNEQe1lR5KPs80gOLZdkQFbNO8AAAC8VSAAZWu6oA== Content-Language: en-us Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Turner, Sean P. > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:09 PM > To: 'Jim Schaad' > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > > Jim, > > 1. I was just following the conventions for SHA-1. I take it you're > suggesting we should break with those conventions? Yes we break with that convention. > > 2. I copied the last paragraph in 3.2 from RFC 4055 section 5. These need to be kept as is, we pulled this forward from somebody else who messed it up. We can't change this. > > spt > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 4:44 PM > >To: Sean P. Turner > >Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > >Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > > >Sean, > > > >1. Implenations MUST have absent parameters for SHA-2 -- > >there is no reason to allow anything else to run. I won't > >dispute the MUST read with NULL parameters however much I > >would like to. The defect does not really apply > >as plenty of time has passed and this is a new algorithm. The only > >exception to this appears to be in OAEP and PSS where the > >parameters are explicitly defined as being required. > > > >2. Why allow for optional parameters on the signature > >algorithms for rsa - not permitted for sha-1WithRSAEncryption. > > > > > >jim > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > >> smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:45 PM > >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > >> Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > >> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > >> > >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >> directories. > >> This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security > >Working Group of > >> the IETF. > >> > >> Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with > >Cryptographic Message > >> Syntax > >> Author(s) : S. Turner > >> Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > >> Pages : 10 > >> Date : 2008-9-26 > >> > >> This document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash > >> Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA- > >> 384, > >> SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also > >> describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and > >> the > >> Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman > >(RSA), and > >> Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. > >> > >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > >> > >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >> > >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > >> Internet-Draft. > > From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 6 11:14:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3613A69AC for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.416 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.416 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.183, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YLQUoerepqLh for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421A83A6970 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96I0eOF079724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m96I0eDm079722; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96I0dsc079710 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 757A928C1F8; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081006180002.757A928C1F8@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Certificate Handling Author(s) : S. Turner, B. Ramsdell Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2008-10-6 This document specifies conventions for X.509 certificate usage by Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) agents. S/MIME provides a method to send and receive secure MIME messages, and certificates are an integral part of S/MIME agent processing. S/MIME agents validate certificates as described in RFC 5280, the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and CRL Profile. S/MIME agents must meet the certificate processing requirements in this document as well as those in RFC 5280. This document obsoletes RFC 3850. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-6105242.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 6 11:17:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8237F3A6ADD for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.179, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ggpkK+B6TbWJ for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139B73A69DD for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96I0elW079725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m96I0eYq079723; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96I0dv5079711 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 785BA28C1FC; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081006180002.785BA28C1FC@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Message Specification Author(s) : B. Ramsdell, S. Turner Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt Pages : 45 Date : 2008-10-6 This document defines Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) version 3.2. S/MIME provides a consistent way to send and receive secure MIME data. Digital signatures provide authentication, message integrity, and non-repudiation with proof of origin. Encryption provides data confidentiality. Compression can be used to reduce data size. This document obsoletes RFC 3851. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-6105450.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 6 14:24:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AC428C22F for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:24:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.047 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.047 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.251, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YQCERch1CQmg for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185ED28C21D for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96L4SeZ098075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m96L4SQS098073; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m96L4HGI098052 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Message-Id: <200810062104.m96L4HGI098052@balder-227.proper.com> Received: (qmail 29700 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 21:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.145.18) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 21:04:10 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:04:13 -0400 To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3851bis-05.txt In-Reply-To: <366ED0364D3B4D81A6E2CACD5BBD20B8@Wylie> References: <366ED0364D3B4D81A6E2CACD5BBD20B8@Wylie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: With the posting of -08, it looks to me that all WG Last Call comments have been resolved. It looks like we have achieved WG rough consensus. Russ At 08:33 PM 8/21/2008, Turner, Sean P. wrote: >This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: > > Title : Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) > Version 3.2 Message Specification > Author(s) : B. Ramsdell, S. Turner > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-05.txt > Pages : 45 > Date : 2008-8-21 > >This document defines Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) >version 3.2. S/MIME provides a consistent way to send and receive secure >MIME data. Digital signatures provide authentication, message integrity, >and non-repudiation with proof of origin. Encryption provides data >confidentiality. Compression can be used to reduce data size. This >document obsoletes RFC 3851. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-05.txt > >The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has >achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a >Standards Track RFC. > >Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. >Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be >sent to the document editor. > >The Last Call period will end on 8 September 2008. > >Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon >the consensus of the WG. As the authors are also the WG co-chairs, Russ >Housley has offered to make consensus calls and the WG chairs have agreed to >abide by Russ's consensus calls. Possible actions include: > > 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors > that the document, after possible editorial or > other minor changes, be considered by the IESG > for publication as an Informational RFC > (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or > > 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately > addressed prior to further action (including, > possibly, another WG Last Call). > >Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure >the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, >please read and comment! > >spt From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 6 14:30:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27CE28C1AD for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:30:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.043 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.043 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.247, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZhgJPGJ6asRg for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C67628C202 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96L4S8f098074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m96L4S7N098072; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m96L4Hgn098053 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Message-Id: <200810062104.m96L4Hgn098053@balder-227.proper.com> Received: (qmail 29698 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 21:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.145.18) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 21:04:09 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:04:05 -0400 To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3850bis-05.txt In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: With the posting of -08, it looks to me that all WG Last Call comments have been resolved. It looks like we have achieved WG rough consensus. Russ At 08:32 PM 8/21/2008, Turner, Sean P. wrote: >This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: > > Title : Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) > Version 3.2 Certificate Handling > Author(s) : S. Turner, B. Ramsdell > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-05.txt > Pages : 20 > Date : 2008-8-21 > >This document specifies conventions for X.509 certificate usage by >Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) agents. S/MIME >provides a method to send and receive secure MIME messages, and certificates >are an integral part of S/MIME agent processing. S/MIME agents validate >certificates as described in RFC 5280, the Internet X.509 Public Key >Infrastructure Certificate and CRL Profile. S/MIME agents must meet the >certificate processing requirements in this document as well as those in RFC >5280. This document obsoletes RFC 3850. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-05.txt > >The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has >achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a >Standards Track RFC. > >Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. >Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be >sent to the document editor. > >The Last Call period will end on 8 September 2008. > >Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon >the consensus of the WG. As the authors are also the WG co-chairs, Russ >Housley has offered to make consensus calls and the WG chairs have agreed to >abide by Russ's consensus calls. Possible actions include: > > 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors > that the document, after possible editorial or > other minor changes, be considered by the IESG > for publication as an Informational RFC > (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or > > 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately > addressed prior to further action (including, > possibly, another WG Last Call). > >Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure >the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. 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This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with Cryptographic Message Syntax Author(s) : S. Turner Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2008-10-9 his document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA-384, SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman (RSA), and Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-9113456.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 9 12:53:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0893A6843 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:53:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.451 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.451 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.149, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rMqyBqTLsyQL for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9173A68AD for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m99IjnHL091240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m99Ijnac091237; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m99Ijnnb091225 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 663E73A6A3B; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081009184504.663E73A6A3B@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Identity-based Encryption Architecture and Supporting Data Structures Author(s) : G. Appenzeller, L. Martin, M. Schertler Filename : draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2008-10-9 This document describes the security architecture required to implement identity-based encryption, a public-key encryption technology that uses a user's identity as a public key. It also defines data structures that can be used to implement the technology. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-9113804.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Sun Oct 12 11:17:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFFF3A683D for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SsRTgK0WFJo8 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695033A69DE for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CI3CnR025668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9CI3CLp025667; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CI306H025653 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from blaker@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so971786fgb.26 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=VYMO0wDzskxgK05Opzj01CwpBDnMnZKc3AFk+K+57fw=; b=sD11PtIST0JDcZD+7SA0Mth/QUEPxJouzZnQHWA+4i5ifaDHGK2ZnKolxSiUBz/Gx4 MjThYYTsz9tawyyIpG7HtRDPk62ziz6ZzCvtUmUd9gGEs6Egvk95quhnlBdichrUUJ2R iGy/fnpC8q3/ZFCEC4GUTIhg4mRBpzn6dSA7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=vN92Gd5yeOPvLb0tWLL4A+enMl880LRiXTO6yqNSYeBlFR9dxs9GGQIjn4PVJ/Dx43 bYHCdMLPfMLkGdEXgh/25O0URALCun3ZtRsA9gnFRDRem34YgJHnm4GHjROvi9HWG/Yu hVCe/TsDIjx4czcH97dBM2LkpDzj0ndUhxpQk= Received: by 10.181.134.11 with SMTP id l11mr3783374bkn.73.1223834578517; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.36.7 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <985966520810121102w705fd6adr401fe7d0cd3dbfea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:58 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with Cryptographic Message Syntax Author(s) : S. Turner Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2008-10-9 his document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA-384, SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman (RSA), and Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Standards Track RFC. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on 20 October 2008. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors that the document, after possible editorial or other minor changes, be considered by the IESG for publication as an Informational RFC (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately addressed prior to further action (including, possibly, another WG Last Call). Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | http://www.blakeramsdell.com From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 14 05:04:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73323A6B9B for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.265 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qkMDv2W6GdxK for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A1B3A6B7E for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EBl8FU084975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9EBl8CZ084974; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from WOTAN.TR-Sys.de (gateway.tr-sys.de [213.178.172.147]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EBkt0W084957 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from A.Hoenes@tr-sys.de) Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3) id AA246364738; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:45:38 +0200 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id NAA10506; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:45:37 +0200 (MESZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200810141145.NAA10506@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:45:36 +0200 (MESZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I have already followed up the new version draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09 and reported off-list a single small typo, which could easily be fixed at a later stage in the publication process. Otherwise, all concerns I had raised in the past have been addressed in a satisfactory manner, and the draft is in a very good shape now. Although not acknowledged in the draft, it has seen substantial discussion on- and off-list, and as far as I can see, all concerns raised on the list have been resolved as well. Thus, I support forwarding this draft for publication; it serves as a Normative Reference for the S/MIME v3.2 Message Specification WG draft (draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08) already forwarded to the IESG, and hence is needed as soon as possible. Kind regards, Alfred HÎnes. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 14 11:28:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAC63A6C23 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:28:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.264 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.264 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bv8ECnlv7dDK for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275F93A63EC for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EIEUcE022929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9EIEUpD022928; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from WOTAN.TR-Sys.de (gateway.tr-sys.de [213.178.172.147]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EIED3V022889 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from A.Hoenes@tr-sys.de) Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3) id AA248507976; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:56 +0200 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id UAA11236; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:55 +0200 (MESZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200810141812.UAA11236@TR-Sys.de> Subject: review of draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:55 +0200 (MESZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I once again have performed a rather detailed review of the main body, and to a lesser extent the ASN.1 modules included, of the CMS ECC Algorithms draft, which had undergone substantive edits for its current version, draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02. The review has grown to 900++ lines and I have sent it off-list to the authors only to avoid pollution of list mailbox space. The issues raised are mainly editorial, and in no case meant to change the reasonable normative content of the current draft; yet, a few inconsistencies (perhaps introduced by accident) are noted and recommendations for resolution have been included in the review. 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Mrs Rose Wood From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 16 14:25:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A613B3A67B0 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:25:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FY4KBRGZURpy for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC693A67FB for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9GLFRhM064603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9GLFRYY064602; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mintbk2.inrete.it (staff.inrete.it [85.89.129.9]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9GLFQt8064593 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:15:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gb@inrete.it) Received: (from root@localhost) by mintbk2.inrete.it (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) id m9GLFPa1024933 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:15:25 +0200 Received: from computer-di-giorgio-bernardi.local (host114-243-static.55-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it [88.55.243.114]) Inrete IControl (IControlServer: mintbk2 SrcIp: 88.55.243.114 SrcIpType: UnTrusted RblListed: no ResolvedAs: host114-243-static.55-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it UserType: Local UserHeaderType: Local Authenticated: yes) (authenticated bits=0) by mintbk2.inrete.it (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id m9GLFIb4024870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:15:20 +0200 X-Icontrol: Sent by Inrete Icontrol Message-ID: <48F7AEE6.4090404@inrete.it> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:15:18 +0200 From: Bernardi Giorgio Reply-To: gb@inrete.it Organization: Inrete Srl User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org Subject: Comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Inrete-Amavisjob-Virus-Scanned: PDAmail Multiple Antivirus with ClamAv X-Inrete-Amavisjob-Service-Runned: 6 (m9GLFIb4024870) X-Inrete-Amavisjob-Service-Disabled: No Service disabled (m9GLFIb4024870) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Being a developer of "PEC recommendation" compliant software, I just like to point out a clarification that would be nice on the point 2.2.2 of the draft, in order to promote the "best practice" that have surfaced in the recent years. Lately has been discovered that many PEC messages are handled by automatic systems in banking and security organizations, for which to decode and understand SMTP error message is adding a level of complexity to the software app that generate PEC messages, so most of them prefer wait and process the "Non-delivery notification" that is now used as the preferred method to convey errors. Now the point 2.2.2 is states as: ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.2.2. Incoming point This point permits the exchange of PEC messages and notifications between PEC providers. It is also the point through which ordinary mail messages can be inserted within the circuit of certified mail. The exchange of messages between providers takes place through SMTP-based transactions, as defined in [SMTP]. If SMTP communication errors occur, they can be handled using the standard error notification mechanisms, as provided by SMTP in [SMTP] and [SMTP-DSN]. ------------------------------------------------------------------ A better way to state it could be: ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.2.2. Incoming point This point permits the exchange of PEC messages and notifications between PEC providers. It is also the point through which ordinary mail messages can be inserted within the circuit of certified mail. The exchange of messages between providers takes place through SMTP-based transactions, as defined in [SMTP]. If SMTP communication errors occur, they can be handled using the standard error notification mechanisms, as provided by SMTP in [SMTP] and [SMTP-DSN], however if the message is coming from another PEC provider for the notification of the error the PEC message for "Non-delivery notification" should be used in place of the SMTP error. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Regards. -- ____________________________________________________________ Giorgio Bernardi INRETE Email gb@inrete.it Via Postiglione, 29 10024 Moncalieri (TO) Tel 011 6811590 Fax 011 6811603 Email info@inrete.it Web http://www.inrete.it From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 20 06:02:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07B03A6AB0 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.800, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12Ss7GCpcYc0 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F973A680C for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9KCeZWs008218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9KCeZ8M008217; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9KCeZOf008211 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wwwrun@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id B384228C119; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:39:22 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Second Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-ibearch (Identity-based Encryption Architecture and Supporting Data Structures) to Proposed Standard Reply-to: ietf@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: <20081020123922.B384228C119@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a second last call for consideration of the following document from the S/MIME Mail Security WG (smime): - 'Identity-based Encryption Architecture and Supporting Data Structures ' as a Proposed Standard Technical issues raised in IETF Last Call and IESG evaluation have been resolved. However, there have been substantive changes in the relevant IPR disclosures statements since the review process was initiated. Specifically, IPR disclosure statement #888, (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/888/) was replaced by PR disclosure statement #950, (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/950/) This Last Call is intended to confirm continued community support in light of the new IPR disclosure statement. Given the limited scope of this Last Call, an abbreviated time period has been selected. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-10-27. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=14987&rfc_flag=0 From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 20 06:50:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44AC3A68CE for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:50:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.932 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.667, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dl6DlhL5eA98 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822133A681C for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9KCcvur008091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9KCcvlM008090; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9KCcvVG008084 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wwwrun@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 168C03A6A29; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:37:44 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Second Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-bfibecms (Using the Boneh-Franklin and Boneh-Boyen identity-based Encryption Algorithms with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)) to Proposed Standard Reply-to: ietf@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: <20081020123745.168C03A6A29@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a second last call for consideration of the following document from the S/MIME Mail Security WG (smime): - 'Using the Boneh-Franklin and Boneh-Boyen identity-based Encryption Algorithms with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) ' as a Proposed Standard Technical issues raised in IETF Last Call and IESG evaluation have been resolved. However, there have been substantive changes in the relevant IPR disclosures statements since the review process was initiated. Specifically, IPR disclosure statement #888, (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/888/) was replaced by PR disclosure statement #950, (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/950/) This Last Call is intended to confirm continued community support in light of the new IPR disclosure statement. Given the limited scope of this Last Call, an abbreviated time period has been selected. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-10-27. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-bfibecms-10.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=14992&rfc_flag=0 From jah.fer@live.com Mon Oct 20 14:34:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCF73A6AD5 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -70.875 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-70.875 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, CHARSET_FARAWAY=3.2, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_120=0.469, CN_BODY_16=0.013, CN_BODY_24=0.034, CN_BODY_368=0.007, CN_BODY_382=0.026, CN_BODY_4=0.037, CN_BODY_405=0.068, CN_BODY_457=0.011, CN_BODY_49=0.02, CN_BODY_496=0.017, CN_BODY_504=0.006, CN_BODY_518=0.006, CN_BODY_546=0.059, CN_BODY_569=0.009, CN_BODY_59=0.021, CN_BODY_61=1.18, CN_BODY_630=0.013, CN_BODY_641=0.004, CN_BODY_646=0.018, CN_BODY_732=0.005, CN_BODY_753=0.007, CN_BODY_941=0.16, CN_SUBJECT_336=0.928, CN_SUBJECT_94=1.251, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qocu6lvWfIDf for ; 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d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=FF6o+24A48xr539jy9QzIT9Q2YNhf0HZn2UlnBaYcZ7FH1Yeehr+ck9bWGFp9c0pPS jrJKqS7y+c0I9OzoWM2KNr9i5D9gsQDreaj/EngDhvHc6CfgT8uFML8vQ0gIpzXT92fX yUtC0kyuOD7DUx3uAQMFEgRuC1OfjrdZ7vSdA= Received: by 10.210.116.14 with SMTP id o14mr10453212ebc.88.1224601719152; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.17.13 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <81fff38d0810210808q4df9d61t51e139ea1e34efe8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:08:39 +0200 From: "Umberto Ferrara" To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8067_16471194.1224601719162" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 405e56314455708f Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: ------=_Part_8067_16471194.1224601719162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all I'm a PEC technician and a component of the open source project OpenPEC (www.openpec.org). I would like to talk about the SMTP diagnostic in PEC systems. I think that it could be very useful to enrich the PEC with a sort of SMTP-diagnostic management feature and give more feedbacks to the users, also in case of failed deliveries. Suppose that a PEC users sends a message to a non-existent ordinary recipient and that PEC provider system receives a SMTP 5xx error type. If it doesn't propagate this error, the sender won't be able to know that his message could not be delivered. The solution could be forwarding the error message into an anomaly envelope containing a short description of the problem In this way the PEC user could receive negative feedbacks (failed deliveries) in a homogeneous mode, i.e. with a PEC-format message (anomaly envelope). Best regards -- [Umberto Ferrara] _____________________________________ EXENTRICA srl via Giuntini, 63 56023 Navacchio (PI) tel: +39 0575 19 39 163 fax: +39 050 38 69 811 web: http://www.exentrica.it email: ferrara@exentrica.it ------=_Part_8067_16471194.1224601719162 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all
I'm a PEC technician and a component of the open source project
OpenPEC (www.openpec.org).

I would like to talk about the SMTP diagnostic in PEC systems.

I think that it could be very useful to enrich the PEC with a sort of
SMTP-diagnostic management feature and give more feedbacks to
the users, also in case of failed deliveries.

Suppose that a PEC users sends a message to a non-existent ordinary
recipient and that PEC provider system receives a SMTP 5xx error type.
If it doesn't propagate this error, the sender won't be able to know that
his message could not be delivered.

The solution could be forwarding the error message into an anomaly
envelope containing a short description of the problem

In this way the PEC user could receive negative feedbacks (failed
deliveries) in a homogeneous mode, i.e. with a PEC-format message
(anomaly envelope).

Best regards

--
[Umberto Ferrara]
_____________________________________
EXENTRICA srl
via Giuntini, 63
56023 Navacchio (PI)
tel:    +39 0575 19 39 163
fax:    +39 050  38 69 811

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------=_Part_8067_16471194.1224601719162-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 21 09:38:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402EC3A6A70 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:38:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.600, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id paOPpM1vYXwe for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4443A682A for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9LFQ0uB050355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9LFQ0CJ050354; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.12.34]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9LFPnHJ050302 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1007119BB3; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:49 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TtUOzRaa340C; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:48 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.152]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7165719BB0; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:47 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz (wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE38E19EC0BA; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:43 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from pgut001 by wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KsJ79-0006iq-3q; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:43 +1300 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: ferrara@exentrica.it, ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text In-Reply-To: <81fff38d0810210808q4df9d61t51e139ea1e34efe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:43 +1300 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: "Umberto Ferrara" writes: >Suppose that a PEC users sends a message to a non-existent ordinary recipient >and that PEC provider system receives a SMTP 5xx error type. If it doesn't >propagate this error, the sender won't be able to know that his message could >not be delivered. > >The solution could be forwarding the error message into an anomaly envelope >containing a short description of the problem If it never gets to the end user that the sender has a (trust) relationship with, how is key management for the anomaly envelope handled? Peter. From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 21 11:10:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA843A6B83 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XfgHj0cqXZn for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16183A6A95 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9LGvr2q061948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9LGvrHB061947; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9LGvf4u061902 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:57:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from blaker@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2972fgb.26 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:57:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=EaZ6QM5G2irb1D30zFTHaPabIPRIjYikSvqgdZmMvqk=; b=WCNqLIqqwayb4sd+AdBfZnXI/4N7AobUxTVnnve2RIye6vThRwqPlGX71FeIohjRfR s+Om2JyENy02sM0DDlTzNEXJl+mv40R4eofh/vxDLtHIJMlkZuNav98aoJOmOGyKpvTg Fp7K5YudQ1cog9NiCAIizBJ86zq6LksQnbv20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jdOMJbSUxDSLi348EGAfA1YOK1j4+zTixW/am8YNVA05NPLVNV/qUDsrxhrJISg+fQ hkd1OqMDOUjmygNAXnXWvtBntGHmKJ+ErBkmX2WyI+4o+3yFnWn315rILRDyiG453dqj XKlmx6h314gM7yxP66qA8kEoY/9fEpGv97tbU= Received: by 10.180.224.13 with SMTP id w13mr1221418bkg.117.1224608260423; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.36.7 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <985966520810210957y77b0a93es3ed399a4b6671288@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:57:40 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: WG Last Call CLOSED: draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09 will proceed on its merry way. 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Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | http://www.blakeramsdell.com From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 22 14:01:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97833A6A96 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:01:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.389 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.389 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.210, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NiNNohCNiwEC for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3F43A6A83 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9MKkKv1042340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9MKkK6p042339; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9MKkJqI042331 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id B543B28C187; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081022204501.B543B28C187@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Use of Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) Algorithms in Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) Author(s) : S. Turner, D. Brown Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03.txt Pages : 55 Date : 2008-10-22 This document describes how to use Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) public-key algorithms in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). The ECC algorithms support the creation of digital signatures and the exchange of keys to encrypt or authenticate content. The definition of the algorithm processing is based on the NIST FIPS 186-3 for digital signature, NIST SP800-56A for key agreement, RFC 3565 and RFC 3370 for key wrap and content encryption, NIST FIPS 180-3 for message digest, and RFC 2104 and RFC 4231 for message authentication code standards. This document will obsolete RFC 3278. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-22133758.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 22 14:12:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0192728C169 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dIYnMxJHFmtX for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2F828C12E for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ML0qiS043921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9ML0qYI043920; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ML0ftZ043899 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from blaker@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so417951fgb.26 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=5eTpwbPoXBMNrHhYQ27KkIOvj2CK4JSxh+W7kINEbok=; b=PGzaRJKHi2rm7CVjgrY90XMl/HriWvF6NPkzA+Wtawr5e+rUZHCFiZZY1xGl1vcB6Y Mwt8OSVBLI67zJ7gab9NSBaO4PgjzsZS5ui1J+SGKqDHei7VxREwBgfOmp+eSKoqXrwD Y5w0gNZdM1pjsEdNDBoMtFMPzokHBxFK11HQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pVm+KN8r9zDS9Uc3MG0vqZCenME1EeGb6IQ8Wh8IrhTj2yuou++tJ0b8Dj3zN7SXZH w8Zk8WvlVXKMB0zyezK7bDfKk497ZPGzwAvuNRALWKFq6czsuiOAVHIcSxJp9C4uiTXR loVd8hlM6rhnwo1bpgdvk5R6o+rv1wZjbvIDI= Received: by 10.181.145.6 with SMTP id x6mr1520517bkn.25.1224709239921; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.36.7 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <985966520810221400v63274a17ia8e28cf8176fc6ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:39 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : Use of Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) Algorithms in Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) Author(s) : S. Turner, D. Brown Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03.txt Pages : 55 Date : 2008-10-22 This document describes how to use Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) public-key algorithms in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). The ECC algorithms support the creation of digital signatures and the exchange of keys to encrypt or authenticate content. The definition of the algorithm processing is based on the NIST FIPS 186-3 for digital signature, NIST SP800-56A for key agreement, RFC 3565 for key wrap and content encryption, NIST FIPS 180-3 for message digest, and RFCs 2104 and 4231 for message authentication code standards. This document will obsolete RFC 3278. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Informational Track RFC. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on 6 November 2008. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors that the document, after possible editorial or other minor changes, be considered by the IESG for publication as an Informational RFC (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately addressed prior to further action (including, possibly, another WG Last Call). Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! 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Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ITANIUM.ISTI.CNR.IT (mx4.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBMSXX056547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N17XQNIB4WC7KF49@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:21:52 +0200 Received: from [146.48.87.228] (pc-suketeru.isti.cnr.it [146.48.87.228]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPSA id <01N17XQLN2HAC8TL6Z@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:21:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:21:32 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: Re: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text In-reply-to: <81fff38d0810210808q4df9d61t51e139ea1e34efe8@mail.gmail.com> To: Umberto Ferrara Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Message-id: <4905A43C.7010906@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.87.228 Auth Done References: <81fff38d0810210808q4df9d61t51e139ea1e34efe8@mail.gmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Umberto Ferrara wrote: > I would like to talk about the SMTP diagnostic in PEC systems. > > I think that it could be very useful to enrich the PEC with a sort of > SMTP-diagnostic management feature and give more feedbacks to > the users, also in case of failed deliveries. > Such Internet notifications are already handled by being inserted in anomaly envelopes and sent to the sending user. To enhance the system by giving a more PEC-standardized specification of the error could be a good idea, but not all MTA implementations generate standard-formatted notifications (DSN - RFC 3461 - 3464). This could be done in the future on a best effort basis. --Alba From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 27 04:42:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC773A6855 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:42:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.788 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_40=-0.185, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRl9pxStXUA1 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F73C3A67AB for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBIJZ3055626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9RBIJ8X055625; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ITANIUM.ISTI.CNR.IT (mx4.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBI6aU055569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N17XL6HVVKC7KAOB@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@vpnc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:17:28 +0200 Received: from [146.48.87.228] (pc-suketeru.isti.cnr.it [146.48.87.228]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPSA id <01N17XL4QVV8C7KEDU@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@vpnc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:17:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:17:08 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: Re: Comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.txt In-reply-to: <48F7AEE6.4090404@inrete.it> To: gb@inrete.it Cc: ietf-smime@vpnc.org Message-id: <4905A334.7080904@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.87.228 Auth Done References: <48F7AEE6.4090404@inrete.it> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Bernardi Giorgio wrote: > 2.2.2. Incoming point > > This point permits the exchange of PEC messages and > notifications between PEC providers. It is also the point > through which ordinary mail messages can be inserted within the > circuit of certified mail. > > The exchange of messages between providers takes place through > SMTP-based transactions, as defined in [SMTP]. If SMTP > communication errors occur, they can be handled using the > standard error notification mechanisms, as provided by SMTP in > [SMTP] and [SMTP-DSN], however if the message is coming from > another PEC provider for the notification of the error the PEC > message for "Non-delivery notification" should be used in place of > the SMTP error. When SMTP communication errors occur, the error notification is generated by the sending PEC server itself, not the intended receiving one -since the communication error would occur before the message reached the destination. That notification is sent to the server's service mailbox (not the user's mailbox), and after a certain amount of time the Timeout Delivery Error Notification is generated by the sending server. The only case we can think of in which the receiving server could send an SMTP error, would be if the MTA at the receiver's side got hold of the message and ran its standard checks on it -therefore rejecting it- rather than having PEC checks run on the message. This though must not happen, since all messages have to be accepted by the PEC server. A minor adjustment though will be the following: "If SMTP communication errors occur, they MAY be handled using the standard error notification mechanisms, as provided by SMTP in [SMTP] and [SMTP-DSN]." --Alba From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 27 04:45:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74313A69DB for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.835 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.835 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JeAVEXBqsKdK for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0643A69CC for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBURF6058094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9RBURav058093; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ITANIUM.ISTI.CNR.IT (mx4.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBUPRw058075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N17Y1IUXRKC7KAOB@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:29:53 +0200 Received: from [146.48.87.228] (pc-suketeru.isti.cnr.it [146.48.87.228]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPSA id <01N17Y1G9AKKC8TL6Z@mx.isti.cnr.it>; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:29:48 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:29:30 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: Re: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text In-reply-to: To: Peter Gutmann Cc: ferrara@exentrica.it, ietf-smime@imc.org Message-id: <4905A61A.9050207@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.87.228 Auth Done References: Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Peter Gutmann wrote: > "Umberto Ferrara" writes: > > >> Suppose that a PEC users sends a message to a non-existent ordinary recipient >> and that PEC provider system receives a SMTP 5xx error type. If it doesn't >> propagate this error, the sender won't be able to know that his message could >> not be delivered. >> >> The solution could be forwarding the error message into an anomaly envelope >> containing a short description of the problem >> > > If it never gets to the end user that the sender has a (trust) relationship > with, how is key management for the anomaly envelope handled? > > Peter. > The "trust" relationship is not between users, but between (PEC) servers. So in this example, there is no "trust" relationship, since the receiver would be a normal user from the "outside" world wrt to the PEC system. This normal user will receive a PEC Transport Envelope signed by the sending PEC provider. If, on the contrary, a message is sent from a source outside of the PEC system to a PEC user, the receiving PEC provider inserts that message inside an Anomaly Envelope and signs it. --Alba From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 27 07:54:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EF43A6B68 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:54:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.508, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O44J4CTfwB09 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E4E3A6A71 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9REddx6098515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9REddaI098514; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9REdcVv098501 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:39:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Message-Id: <200810271439.m9REdcVv098501@balder-227.proper.com> Received: (qmail 3320 invoked by uid 0); 27 Oct 2008 14:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.145.18) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 14:39:06 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:39:34 -0400 To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: IETF IBE efforts Cc: iesg@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, "TS Glassey" In-Reply-To: <013901c937d1$92b97510$6401a8c0@tsg1> References: <013901c937d1$92b97510$6401a8c0@tsg1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: S/MIME WG: Please note the attached claim. The referenced IPR statement can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/201/ Note that there are other IPR statements that update IPR statement 201 in the repository that can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/ Russ At 09:15 PM 10/26/2008, TS Glassey wrote: >FWIW, many IBE (Identity Based Encryption) systems which the IETF >could come to implement will infringe on the Glassey McNeil IPR 201 >posting. How this works is that since IP Addresses are encoded into >the PKI model in a number of models whether in the DOMAIN ADDRESS >TOKEN form or in the actual IP ADDRESS form, they are 'location >specific controls used in encrypting and decrypting data' - which >qualifies as a use model under our Patent, 6,370,629. > >Thanks for taking this notice as well. > >TS Glassey From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 27 15:43:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B012428C14C for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:43:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v1lAdFmsb5JM for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6442028C13D for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RMRnW8097457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9RMRnAU097456; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.voltage.com (mail.voltage.com [71.6.108.2]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RMRbPu097417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from martin@voltage.com) Received: from hqmailsvr01.voltage.com (hqmailsvr01.voltage.com [172.16.0.22]) by mail.voltage.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m9RMRqtq020642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:52 -0700 Received: from hqmailsvr01.voltage.com ([172.16.0.22]) by hqmailsvr01.voltage.com ([172.16.0.22]) with mapi; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:31 -0700 From: Luther Martin To: "'Russ Housley'" , "ietf-smime@imc.org" CC: "iesg@ietf.org" , "chair@ietf.org" , TS Glassey Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:31 -0700 Subject: RE: IETF IBE efforts Thread-Topic: IETF IBE efforts Thread-Index: Ack4RV+Izn0PwqkpTr6Y5zJT1UMfGAAPRBSA Message-ID: References: <013901c937d1$92b97510$6401a8c0@tsg1> <200810271439.m9REdcVv098501@balder-227.proper.com> In-Reply-To: <200810271439.m9REdcVv098501@balder-227.proper.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.7400:2.4.4,1.2.40,4.0.164 definitions=2008-10-27_07:2008-10-10,2008-10-27,2008-10-27 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0810270166 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: So there's no claim at all that this particular IPR is relevant to any of t= he content of the IBE IDs? Is that an accurate summary of this comment? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:40 AM > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > Cc: iesg@ietf.org; chair@ietf.org; TS Glassey > Subject: Re: IETF IBE efforts > > > S/MIME WG: > > Please note the attached claim. The referenced IPR statement can be > found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/201/ > > Note that there are other IPR statements that update IPR statement > 201 in the repository that can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/ > > Russ > > > At 09:15 PM 10/26/2008, TS Glassey wrote: > >FWIW, many IBE (Identity Based Encryption) systems which the IETF > >could come to implement will infringe on the Glassey McNeil IPR 201 > >posting. How this works is that since IP Addresses are encoded into > >the PKI model in a number of models whether in the DOMAIN ADDRESS > >TOKEN form or in the actual IP ADDRESS form, they are 'location > >specific controls used in encrypting and decrypting data' - which > >qualifies as a use model under our Patent, 6,370,629. > > > >Thanks for taking this notice as well. > > > >TS Glassey From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 27 17:26:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7ED3A689A for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.041 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.041 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.557, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kejORLVcjka0 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2E53A6813 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9S0FU7g010390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9S0FUor010389; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9S0FJQG010376 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tglassey@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=URVYcM5L9jC7TLdlXtHy4wQHL/ZFC2sBb3534SbvwcmmYRzurlKw+q0V2T40RjzL; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.180.133.66] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KucEl-0005Zu-27; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:15:07 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c93892$585f21a0$6401a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Luther Martin" , "'Russ Housley'" , Cc: , References: <013901c937d1$92b97510$6401a8c0@tsg1> <200810271439.m9REdcVv098501@balder-227.proper.com> Subject: Re: IETF IBE efforts Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:15:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c33ea496dcf312eb97519a89153d2062350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.180.133.66 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I disagree - but will take this offlist with you Luther. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luther Martin" To: "'Russ Housley'" ; Cc: ; ; "TS Glassey" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: RE: IETF IBE efforts So there's no claim at all that this particular IPR is relevant to any of the content of the IBE IDs? Is that an accurate summary of this comment? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:40 AM > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > Cc: iesg@ietf.org; chair@ietf.org; TS Glassey > Subject: Re: IETF IBE efforts > > > S/MIME WG: > > Please note the attached claim. The referenced IPR statement can be > found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/201/ > > Note that there are other IPR statements that update IPR statement > 201 in the repository that can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/ > > Russ > > > At 09:15 PM 10/26/2008, TS Glassey wrote: > >FWIW, many IBE (Identity Based Encryption) systems which the IETF > >could come to implement will infringe on the Glassey McNeil IPR 201 > >posting. How this works is that since IP Addresses are encoded into > >the PKI model in a number of models whether in the DOMAIN ADDRESS > >TOKEN form or in the actual IP ADDRESS form, they are 'location > >specific controls used in encrypting and decrypting data' - which > >qualifies as a use model under our Patent, 6,370,629. > > > >Thanks for taking this notice as well. > > > >TS Glassey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 28 09:56:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FBD3A69DF for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:56:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZnYX+oWF-4Xs for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF513A6BC5 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SGZN5E000841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9SGZN4V000840; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from sirio3.tno.it (sirio.tno.it [138.66.30.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SGZBnE000803 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:35:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from p.romanazzi@tno.it) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sirio3.tno.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6B124C197 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:35:11 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tno.it Received: from sirio3.tno.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sirio3.tno.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NuhcyI4TjedW for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:35:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.66.82.82] (romanazzi.domtecno.tno.it [10.66.82.82]) (Authenticated sender: p.romanazzi@tno.it) by sirio3.tno.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59D9C24C193 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:35:07 +0100 (CET) From: "Pietro Romanazzi" To: ietf-smime@imc.org Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:35:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text Reply-to: p.romanazzi@tno.it Message-ID: <49074D4B.29647.1B947B6@p.romanazzi.tno.it> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I have two comments to the draft in subject. In my personal opinion there is a weakness in the notification of problems occurring at the Incoming point. With the only exception of the "Virus detection notification", there is no message of "not taken in charge" to the sender PEC system (could it be better called CEM system? PEC is the acronim of the Italian original name.). Consequently the user will receive Timeout delivery error notification(s) with no info about the reason why the mail has not been delivered. Yust to make an example: the user sends a big message which is accepted by his PEC system but the destination PEC system imposed a different limit for the message size and it rejects the message. There is no PEC message to kick this "non acceptance" back to the origin. A proposal could be to have a sort of "not taken in charge notification" message, with the "Virus detection notification" as one possible case. Similar behaviour could be obtained at the delivery point but, as the previous example, the PEC system should not be happy to elaborate a message, outside the SLA rules, any longer. A more general comment is about the use of italian word throughout the draft. It could be better to use the translation of Appendix A and obtain a document in full english. It will improve the readability of the document which is now intended for international readers. Regards, Pietro Romanazzi From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 29 03:55:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4806E3A6A07 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:55:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.269, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sL79UsgXn+hH for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D369D3A6833 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9TAaPj6017463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9TAaPeL017462; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.isti.cnr.it (mx2.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.4]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9TAaDm3017420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N1AOPX5PGGC8V077@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:35:55 +0200 Received: from [146.48.87.200] (tramontana.isti.cnr.it [146.48.87.200]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPA id <01N1AOPSQP9EC7LB2A@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:35:30 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:35:28 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt] To: ietf-smime@imc.org Message-id: <49083C70.6040504@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.87.200 Auth Done Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kindly note that version 01 of the draft gennai-smime-cnipa-pec has been announced. --Alba -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:07:29 +0200 Resent-From: Francesco Gennai Resent-To: alba.shahin@isti.cnr.it Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Certified Electronic Mail Author(s) : F. Gennai, A. Shahin, C. Petrucci, A. Vinciarelli Filename : draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt Pages : 62 Date : 2008-10-27 Since 1997, the Italian Laws have recognized electronic delivery systems as legally usable. After 2 years of technical tests, in 2005 the characteristics of an official electronic delivery service, named certified electronic mail (in Italian "Posta Elettronica Certificata") were defined, giving the system legal value. Design of the entire system was carried out by the National Center for Informatics in the Public Administration of Italy (CNIPA), followed by efforts for the implementation and testing of the service. The CNIPA has given the Italian National Research Council (CNR), and in particular The Institute of Information Science and Technologies at the CNR (ISTI), the task of running tests on providers of the service to guarantee the correct implementation and interoperability. This document describes the certified email system adopted in Italy. It represents the system as it is at the moment of writing, following the technical regulations that were written based upon the Italian Law DPR. November 2, 2005. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w) Content-type: Message/External-body; name="draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline; filename="draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-27131643.I-D@ietf.org> --Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w) Content-type: text/plain; name="Attached Message Part" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename="Attached Message Part" _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w)-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 29 11:06:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7F93A6A7F for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:06:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MDHbH2n-he6b for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6873A6894 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9THsAuI014257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9THsAEU014256; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.isti.cnr.it (mx2.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.4]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9THrvTA014192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N1B405L7M8C7L7NI@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:52:55 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([78.13.158.72]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPSA id <01N1B401KE2CC8VBRQ@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:52:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:52:49 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: Re: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text In-reply-to: <49074D4B.29647.1B947B6@p.romanazzi.tno.it> To: p.romanazzi@tno.it Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Message-id: <4908A2F1.70407@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 78.13.158.72 Auth Done References: <49074D4B.29647.1B947B6@p.romanazzi.tno.it> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Pietro, Error notifications at the Incoming Point do take place. All incoming messages must always be accepted by the receiving PEC provider , which will send a take in charge notification to the sender. Only after that does it do the formal checks. If anything doesn't add up, such as the message exceeding the size limit, it sends a non-delivery notification with a brief description of the error to the sender. As for removing all Italian terms, this document describes PEC as it exists today. If anyone inside or outside Italy wishes to implement PEC, they will need to use those Italian terms in order to be compatible with the already existing and operating implementations. Changing them to English could be done in future improvements of PEC itself. --Alba Pietro Romanazzi wrote: > Hi all, > > I have two comments to the draft in subject. > > In my personal opinion there is a weakness in the notification of problems > occurring at the Incoming point. > With the only exception of the "Virus detection notification", there is no message > of "not taken in charge" to the sender PEC system (could it be > better called CEM system? PEC is the acronim of the Italian original name.). > Consequently the user will receive Timeout delivery error notification(s) with no info > about the reason why the mail has not been delivered. > Yust to make an example: the user sends a big message which is accepted > by his PEC system but the destination PEC system imposed a different limit > for the message size and it rejects the message. There is no PEC message to > kick this "non acceptance" back to the origin. > A proposal could be to have a sort of "not taken in charge notification" message, > with the "Virus detection notification" as one possible case. > Similar behaviour could be obtained at the delivery point but, as the previous example, > the PEC system should not be happy to elaborate a message, outside the SLA rules, any > longer. > > A more general comment is about the use of italian word throughout the draft. > It could be better to use the translation of Appendix A and obtain a document > in full english. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C93A81.211F54A8-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 30 09:55:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC33F3A6A68 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.633 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.633 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.967, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O0eulrIQRLUX for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D423A6878 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UGgBdZ095400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:42:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9UGgBbR095399; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:42:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UGgBqB095392 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:42:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wwwrun@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id D60EF3A684F; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:42:11 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-3851bis (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Message Specification) to Proposed Standard Reply-to: ietf@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: <20081030164211.D60EF3A684F@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has received a request from the S/MIME Mail Security WG (smime) to consider the following document: - 'Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Message Specification ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. In particular, the IESG solicits comments on the cryptographic strength requirements specified in section 4.1 through 4.5, and the following statement from Section 6, Security Considerations: "Today, 512-bit RSA, DSA and DH keys are considered by many experts to be cryptographically insecure." These sections allow the continued use of RSA, DSA, and DH key lengths between 512 and 1024 bits. Given that other organizations are moving to a minimum key length of 2048 bits, the IESG wishes to verify IETF consensus for the cryptographic minimums in this document. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-11-13. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=16577&rfc_flag=0 From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 30 09:59:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198E13A6829 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:59:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.771 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.771 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.828, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iiGBp0PFuWMA for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B994B3A694C for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UGfOCk095212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9UGfOa7095211; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UGfO9g095205 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wwwrun@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 09AA528C104; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:40:52 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-3850bis (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Certificate Handling) to Proposed Standard Reply-to: ietf@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: <20081030164053.09AA528C104@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has received a request from the S/MIME Mail Security WG (smime) to consider the following document: - 'Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Certificate Handling ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. In particular, the IESG solicits comments on the cryptographic strength requirements specified in section 4.3, Certificate and CRL Signing Algorithm and Key Sizes, and the following statement from Section 6, Security Considerations: "Today, 512-bit RSA, DSA and DH keys are considered by many experts to be cryptographically insecure." These sections require S/MIME recieving agents to support RSA key lengths between 512 and 1024 bits, and permit support for DSA key lengths between 512 and 1024 bits. Given that other organizations are moving to a minimum key length of 2048 bits, the IESG wishes to verify IETF consensus for the cryptographic minimums in this document. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-11-13. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=16576&rfc_flag=0 From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Oct 30 14:33:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3E33A6AB0 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lU5OvEqhigl5 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640183A6981 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ULCYOA049349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9ULCYXZ049347; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:12:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ULCNBD049287 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:12:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tmiller@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9ULCMr9031857 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:12:22 -0400 Received: from imchub2.MITRE.ORG (imchub2.mitre.org [129.83.29.74]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9ULCMZ9031854 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:12:22 -0400 Received: from [129.83.200.7] (129.83.200.7) by imchub2.MITRE.ORG (129.83.29.74) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.311.2; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:12:22 -0400 Message-ID: <490A2330.3010102@mitre.org> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:12:16 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Clients supporting CMS CompressedData type? Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000202030309000609090500" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --------------ms000202030309000609090500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know of any? 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(properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225D93A6804 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UNQa5k072459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9UNQaGk072458; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:26:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from relay10.mail.uk.clara.net (relay10.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.190]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UNQO3M072421 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:26:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lists@drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk) Received: from drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk ([80.177.30.10]:49212 helo=[192.168.7.8]) by relay10.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvguE-0003qa-Mb; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:26:23 +0000 Message-ID: <490A429F.6040702@drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:26:23 +0000 From: Dr Stephen Henson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Timothy J. Miller" CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Clients supporting CMS CompressedData type? References: <490A2330.3010102@mitre.org> In-Reply-To: <490A2330.3010102@mitre.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: drh Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Timothy J. Miller wrote: > Anyone know of any? Thanks. > Well not a client as such but OpenSSL's CMS implementation supports CompressedData with zlib compression. Steve. -- Dr Stephen N. Henson. Core developer of the OpenSSL project: http://www.openssl.org/ Freelance consultant see: http://www.drh-consultancy.co.uk/ Email: shenson@drh-consultancy.co.uk, PGP key: via homepage. From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Fri Oct 31 05:51:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-smime-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96D128C16F for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:51:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82r0IKl8EnGX for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BC328C0EA for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VCKggb009416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9VCKgGh009415; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VCKUrM009370 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:20:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tmiller@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VCKUwb023700 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:20:30 -0400 Received: from imchub2.MITRE.ORG (imchub2.mitre.org [129.83.29.74]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VCKT5C023697; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:20:29 -0400 Received: from [129.83.200.3] (129.83.200.3) by imchub2.MITRE.ORG (129.83.29.74) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.311.2; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <490AF806.8010304@mitre.org> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:20:22 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dr Stephen Henson CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Clients supporting CMS CompressedData type? References: <490A2330.3010102@mitre.org> <490A429F.6040702@drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490A429F.6040702@drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060909080904010906020307" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --------------ms060909080904010906020307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dr Stephen Henson wrote: > Well not a client as such but OpenSSL's CMS implementation supports > CompressedData with zlib compression. Devkits implementing it don't seem to be an issue. Actual MUAs seem to be sparse on the ground. I can only find one that specifically mentions CompressedData as a feature--"The Bat!". 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(8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9VCKUrM009370 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:20:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tmiller@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VCKUwb023700 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:20:30 -0400 Received: from imchub2.MITRE.ORG (imchub2.mitre.org [129.83.29.74]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m9VCKT5C023697; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:20:29 -0400 Received: from [129.83.200.3] (129.83.200.3) by imchub2.MITRE.ORG (129.83.29.74) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.311.2; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <490AF806.8010304@mitre.org> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:20:22 -0500 From: "Timothy J. Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dr Stephen Henson CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Clients supporting CMS CompressedData type? References: <490A2330.3010102@mitre.org> <490A429F.6040702@drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490A429F.6040702@drh-consultancy.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060909080904010906020307" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --------------ms060909080904010906020307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dr Stephen Henson wrote: > Well not a client as such but OpenSSL's CMS implementation supports > CompressedData with zlib compression. Devkits implementing it don't seem to be an issue. Actual MUAs seem to be sparse on the ground. I can only find one that specifically mentions CompressedData as a feature--"The Bat!". But then again, most feature specs don't delve into S/MIME implementation details. -- Tim --------------ms060909080904010906020307 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIKvjCC A2cwggJPoAMCAQICAh8FMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMF0xEjAQBgNVBAoTCW1pdHJlLm9yZzEe MBwGA1UECxMVQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgQXV0aG9yaXR5MScwJQYDVQQDEx5NSVRSRSBDb3Jwb3Jh dGlvbiBQcmltYXJ5IENBLTEwHhcNMDgwODIxMTUzMTI5WhcNMTAwMjEyMTUzMTI5WjBaMRIw EAYDVQQKEwltaXRyZS5vcmcxDzANBgNVBAsTBnBlb3BsZTEXMBUGCgmSJomT8ixkAQETB3Rt aWxsZXIxGjAYBgNVBAMTEU1pbGxlciBUaW1vdGh5IEouMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GN ADCBiQKBgQCTxM+z5fDKvmBInGatv0DkVwuOxd69S2M2jho8QkOltYJK/4JUm9uK0UtQZkyI bEjmCpmXLw17iMCgA0SjwuUfJxdF8ntTys8keyMjRdlKSwFnkgZl9tL7o060LBtZQYzI5ajr W9k3N768G/k1bZS5UYiMGHU5+Ygl4IwVhmQv3wIDAQABo4G3MIG0MA4GA1UdDwEB/wQEAwIF 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Miller" CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Clients supporting CMS CompressedData type? References: <490A2330.3010102@mitre.org> In-Reply-To: <490A2330.3010102@mitre.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: drh Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Timothy J. Miller wrote: > Anyone know of any? Thanks. > Well not a client as such but OpenSSL's CMS implementation supports CompressedData with zlib compression. Steve. -- Dr Stephen N. Henson. Core developer of the OpenSSL project: http://www.openssl.org/ Freelance consultant see: http://www.drh-consultancy.co.uk/ Email: shenson@drh-consultancy.co.uk, PGP key: via homepage. 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Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Clients supporting CMS CompressedData type? Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000202030309000609090500" Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --------------ms000202030309000609090500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know of any? 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(envelope-from wwwrun@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id D60EF3A684F; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:42:11 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-3851bis (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Message Specification) to Proposed Standard Reply-to: ietf@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: <20081030164211.D60EF3A684F@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has received a request from the S/MIME Mail Security WG (smime) to consider the following document: - 'Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Message Specification ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. In particular, the IESG solicits comments on the cryptographic strength requirements specified in section 4.1 through 4.5, and the following statement from Section 6, Security Considerations: "Today, 512-bit RSA, DSA and DH keys are considered by many experts to be cryptographically insecure." These sections allow the continued use of RSA, DSA, and DH key lengths between 512 and 1024 bits. Given that other organizations are moving to a minimum key length of 2048 bits, the IESG wishes to verify IETF consensus for the cryptographic minimums in this document. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-11-13. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=16577&rfc_flag=0 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UGfOCk095212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9UGfOa7095211; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9UGfO9g095205 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:41:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wwwrun@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 09AA528C104; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:40:52 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-3850bis (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Certificate Handling) to Proposed Standard Reply-to: ietf@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: <20081030164053.09AA528C104@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The IESG has received a request from the S/MIME Mail Security WG (smime) to consider the following document: - 'Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Certificate Handling ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. In particular, the IESG solicits comments on the cryptographic strength requirements specified in section 4.3, Certificate and CRL Signing Algorithm and Key Sizes, and the following statement from Section 6, Security Considerations: "Today, 512-bit RSA, DSA and DH keys are considered by many experts to be cryptographically insecure." These sections require S/MIME recieving agents to support RSA key lengths between 512 and 1024 bits, and permit support for DSA key lengths between 512 and 1024 bits. Given that other organizations are moving to a minimum key length of 2048 bits, the IESG wishes to verify IETF consensus for the cryptographic minimums in this document. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-11-13. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=16576&rfc_flag=0 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9THsAuI014257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9THsAEU014256; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:54:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.isti.cnr.it (mx2.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.4]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9THrvTA014192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:54:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N1B405L7M8C7L7NI@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:52:55 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([78.13.158.72]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPSA id <01N1B401KE2CC8VBRQ@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:52:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:52:49 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: Re: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text In-reply-to: <49074D4B.29647.1B947B6@p.romanazzi.tno.it> To: p.romanazzi@tno.it Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Message-id: <4908A2F1.70407@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 78.13.158.72 Auth Done References: <49074D4B.29647.1B947B6@p.romanazzi.tno.it> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Pietro, Error notifications at the Incoming Point do take place. All incoming messages must always be accepted by the receiving PEC provider , which will send a take in charge notification to the sender. Only after that does it do the formal checks. If anything doesn't add up, such as the message exceeding the size limit, it sends a non-delivery notification with a brief description of the error to the sender. As for removing all Italian terms, this document describes PEC as it exists today. If anyone inside or outside Italy wishes to implement PEC, they will need to use those Italian terms in order to be compatible with the already existing and operating implementations. Changing them to English could be done in future improvements of PEC itself. --Alba Pietro Romanazzi wrote: > Hi all, > > I have two comments to the draft in subject. > > In my personal opinion there is a weakness in the notification of problems > occurring at the Incoming point. > With the only exception of the "Virus detection notification", there is no message > of "not taken in charge" to the sender PEC system (could it be > better called CEM system? PEC is the acronim of the Italian original name.). > Consequently the user will receive Timeout delivery error notification(s) with no info > about the reason why the mail has not been delivered. > Yust to make an example: the user sends a big message which is accepted > by his PEC system but the destination PEC system imposed a different limit > for the message size and it rejects the message. There is no PEC message to > kick this "non acceptance" back to the origin. > A proposal could be to have a sort of "not taken in charge notification" message, > with the "Virus detection notification" as one possible case. > Similar behaviour could be obtained at the delivery point but, as the previous example, > the PEC system should not be happy to elaborate a message, outside the SLA rules, any > longer. > > A more general comment is about the use of italian word throughout the draft. > It could be better to use the translation of Appendix A and obtain a document > in full english. It will improve the readability of the document which is now intended > for international readers. > > Regards, > > Pietro Romanazzi > > > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9TAaPj6017463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9TAaPeL017462; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.isti.cnr.it (mx2.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.4]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9TAaDm3017420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:36:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N1AOPX5PGGC8V077@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:35:55 +0200 Received: from [146.48.87.200] (tramontana.isti.cnr.it [146.48.87.200]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPA id <01N1AOPSQP9EC7LB2A@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:35:30 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:35:28 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt] To: ietf-smime@imc.org Message-id: <49083C70.6040504@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.87.200 Auth Done Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kindly note that version 01 of the draft gennai-smime-cnipa-pec has been announced. --Alba -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:07:29 +0200 Resent-From: Francesco Gennai Resent-To: alba.shahin@isti.cnr.it Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Certified Electronic Mail Author(s) : F. Gennai, A. Shahin, C. Petrucci, A. Vinciarelli Filename : draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt Pages : 62 Date : 2008-10-27 Since 1997, the Italian Laws have recognized electronic delivery systems as legally usable. After 2 years of technical tests, in 2005 the characteristics of an official electronic delivery service, named certified electronic mail (in Italian "Posta Elettronica Certificata") were defined, giving the system legal value. Design of the entire system was carried out by the National Center for Informatics in the Public Administration of Italy (CNIPA), followed by efforts for the implementation and testing of the service. The CNIPA has given the Italian National Research Council (CNR), and in particular The Institute of Information Science and Technologies at the CNR (ISTI), the task of running tests on providers of the service to guarantee the correct implementation and interoperability. This document describes the certified email system adopted in Italy. It represents the system as it is at the moment of writing, following the technical regulations that were written based upon the Italian Law DPR. November 2, 2005. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w) Content-type: Message/External-body; name="draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline; filename="draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-01.txt" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-27131643.I-D@ietf.org> --Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w) Content-type: text/plain; name="Attached Message Part" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename="Attached Message Part" _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --Boundary_(ID_7v7Uq/RYKL3vX9dkXOMz9w)-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SGZN5E000841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9SGZN4V000840; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from sirio3.tno.it (sirio.tno.it [138.66.30.5]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9SGZBnE000803 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:35:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from p.romanazzi@tno.it) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sirio3.tno.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6B124C197 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:35:11 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tno.it Received: from sirio3.tno.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sirio3.tno.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NuhcyI4TjedW for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:35:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.66.82.82] (romanazzi.domtecno.tno.it [10.66.82.82]) (Authenticated sender: p.romanazzi@tno.it) by sirio3.tno.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59D9C24C193 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:35:07 +0100 (CET) From: "Pietro Romanazzi" To: ietf-smime@imc.org Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:35:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text Reply-to: p.romanazzi@tno.it Message-ID: <49074D4B.29647.1B947B6@p.romanazzi.tno.it> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I have two comments to the draft in subject. In my personal opinion there is a weakness in the notification of problems occurring at the Incoming point. With the only exception of the "Virus detection notification", there is no message of "not taken in charge" to the sender PEC system (could it be better called CEM system? PEC is the acronim of the Italian original name.). Consequently the user will receive Timeout delivery error notification(s) with no info about the reason why the mail has not been delivered. Yust to make an example: the user sends a big message which is accepted by his PEC system but the destination PEC system imposed a different limit for the message size and it rejects the message. There is no PEC message to kick this "non acceptance" back to the origin. A proposal could be to have a sort of "not taken in charge notification" message, with the "Virus detection notification" as one possible case. Similar behaviour could be obtained at the delivery point but, as the previous example, the PEC system should not be happy to elaborate a message, outside the SLA rules, any longer. A more general comment is about the use of italian word throughout the draft. It could be better to use the translation of Appendix A and obtain a document in full english. It will improve the readability of the document which is now intended for international readers. Regards, Pietro Romanazzi Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9S0FU7g010390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9S0FUor010389; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9S0FJQG010376 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:15:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tglassey@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=URVYcM5L9jC7TLdlXtHy4wQHL/ZFC2sBb3534SbvwcmmYRzurlKw+q0V2T40RjzL; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.180.133.66] (helo=tsg1) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KucEl-0005Zu-27; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:15:07 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c93892$585f21a0$6401a8c0@tsg1> From: "TS Glassey" To: "Luther Martin" , "'Russ Housley'" , Cc: , References: <013901c937d1$92b97510$6401a8c0@tsg1> <200810271439.m9REdcVv098501@balder-227.proper.com> Subject: Re: IETF IBE efforts Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:15:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 01b7a7e171bdf5911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c33ea496dcf312eb97519a89153d2062350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.180.133.66 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I disagree - but will take this offlist with you Luther. Todd Glassey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luther Martin" To: "'Russ Housley'" ; Cc: ; ; "TS Glassey" Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: RE: IETF IBE efforts So there's no claim at all that this particular IPR is relevant to any of the content of the IBE IDs? Is that an accurate summary of this comment? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:40 AM > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > Cc: iesg@ietf.org; chair@ietf.org; TS Glassey > Subject: Re: IETF IBE efforts > > > S/MIME WG: > > Please note the attached claim. The referenced IPR statement can be > found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/201/ > > Note that there are other IPR statements that update IPR statement > 201 in the repository that can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/ > > Russ > > > At 09:15 PM 10/26/2008, TS Glassey wrote: > >FWIW, many IBE (Identity Based Encryption) systems which the IETF > >could come to implement will infringe on the Glassey McNeil IPR 201 > >posting. How this works is that since IP Addresses are encoded into > >the PKI model in a number of models whether in the DOMAIN ADDRESS > >TOKEN form or in the actual IP ADDRESS form, they are 'location > >specific controls used in encrypting and decrypting data' - which > >qualifies as a use model under our Patent, 6,370,629. > > > >Thanks for taking this notice as well. > > > >TS Glassey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1749 - Release Date: 10/27/2008 7:57 AM Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RMRnW8097457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9RMRnAU097456; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.voltage.com (mail.voltage.com [71.6.108.2]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RMRbPu097417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from martin@voltage.com) Received: from hqmailsvr01.voltage.com (hqmailsvr01.voltage.com [172.16.0.22]) by mail.voltage.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m9RMRqtq020642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:52 -0700 Received: from hqmailsvr01.voltage.com ([172.16.0.22]) by hqmailsvr01.voltage.com ([172.16.0.22]) with mapi; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:31 -0700 From: Luther Martin To: "'Russ Housley'" , "ietf-smime@imc.org" CC: "iesg@ietf.org" , "chair@ietf.org" , TS Glassey Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:27:31 -0700 Subject: RE: IETF IBE efforts Thread-Topic: IETF IBE efforts Thread-Index: Ack4RV+Izn0PwqkpTr6Y5zJT1UMfGAAPRBSA Message-ID: References: <013901c937d1$92b97510$6401a8c0@tsg1> <200810271439.m9REdcVv098501@balder-227.proper.com> In-Reply-To: <200810271439.m9REdcVv098501@balder-227.proper.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.7400:2.4.4,1.2.40,4.0.164 definitions=2008-10-27_07:2008-10-10,2008-10-27,2008-10-27 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0805090000 definitions=main-0810270166 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: So there's no claim at all that this particular IPR is relevant to any of t= he content of the IBE IDs? Is that an accurate summary of this comment? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:40 AM > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > Cc: iesg@ietf.org; chair@ietf.org; TS Glassey > Subject: Re: IETF IBE efforts > > > S/MIME WG: > > Please note the attached claim. The referenced IPR statement can be > found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/201/ > > Note that there are other IPR statements that update IPR statement > 201 in the repository that can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/ > > Russ > > > At 09:15 PM 10/26/2008, TS Glassey wrote: > >FWIW, many IBE (Identity Based Encryption) systems which the IETF > >could come to implement will infringe on the Glassey McNeil IPR 201 > >posting. How this works is that since IP Addresses are encoded into > >the PKI model in a number of models whether in the DOMAIN ADDRESS > >TOKEN form or in the actual IP ADDRESS form, they are 'location > >specific controls used in encrypting and decrypting data' - which > >qualifies as a use model under our Patent, 6,370,629. > > > >Thanks for taking this notice as well. > > > >TS Glassey Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9REddx6098515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9REddaI098514; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m9REdcVv098501 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:39:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Message-Id: <200810271439.m9REdcVv098501@balder-227.proper.com> Received: (qmail 3320 invoked by uid 0); 27 Oct 2008 14:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.145.18) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2008 14:39:06 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:39:34 -0400 To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: IETF IBE efforts Cc: iesg@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org, "TS Glassey" In-Reply-To: <013901c937d1$92b97510$6401a8c0@tsg1> References: <013901c937d1$92b97510$6401a8c0@tsg1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: S/MIME WG: Please note the attached claim. The referenced IPR statement can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/201/ Note that there are other IPR statements that update IPR statement 201 in the repository that can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/ Russ At 09:15 PM 10/26/2008, TS Glassey wrote: >FWIW, many IBE (Identity Based Encryption) systems which the IETF >could come to implement will infringe on the Glassey McNeil IPR 201 >posting. How this works is that since IP Addresses are encoded into >the PKI model in a number of models whether in the DOMAIN ADDRESS >TOKEN form or in the actual IP ADDRESS form, they are 'location >specific controls used in encrypting and decrypting data' - which >qualifies as a use model under our Patent, 6,370,629. > >Thanks for taking this notice as well. > >TS Glassey Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBURF6058094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9RBURav058093; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ITANIUM.ISTI.CNR.IT (mx4.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBUPRw058075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:30:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N17Y1IUXRKC7KAOB@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:29:53 +0200 Received: from [146.48.87.228] (pc-suketeru.isti.cnr.it [146.48.87.228]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPSA id <01N17Y1G9AKKC8TL6Z@mx.isti.cnr.it>; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:29:48 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:29:30 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: Re: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text In-reply-to: To: Peter Gutmann Cc: ferrara@exentrica.it, ietf-smime@imc.org Message-id: <4905A61A.9050207@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.87.228 Auth Done References: Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Peter Gutmann wrote: > "Umberto Ferrara" writes: > > >> Suppose that a PEC users sends a message to a non-existent ordinary recipient >> and that PEC provider system receives a SMTP 5xx error type. If it doesn't >> propagate this error, the sender won't be able to know that his message could >> not be delivered. >> >> The solution could be forwarding the error message into an anomaly envelope >> containing a short description of the problem >> > > If it never gets to the end user that the sender has a (trust) relationship > with, how is key management for the anomaly envelope handled? > > Peter. > The "trust" relationship is not between users, but between (PEC) servers. So in this example, there is no "trust" relationship, since the receiver would be a normal user from the "outside" world wrt to the PEC system. This normal user will receive a PEC Transport Envelope signed by the sending PEC provider. If, on the contrary, a message is sent from a source outside of the PEC system to a PEC user, the receiving PEC provider inserts that message inside an Anomaly Envelope and signs it. --Alba Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBMUDl056556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9RBMUOD056555; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ITANIUM.ISTI.CNR.IT (mx4.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBMSXX056547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:22:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N17XQNIB4WC7KF49@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:21:52 +0200 Received: from [146.48.87.228] (pc-suketeru.isti.cnr.it [146.48.87.228]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPSA id <01N17XQLN2HAC8TL6Z@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@imc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:21:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:21:32 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: Re: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text In-reply-to: <81fff38d0810210808q4df9d61t51e139ea1e34efe8@mail.gmail.com> To: Umberto Ferrara Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Message-id: <4905A43C.7010906@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.87.228 Auth Done References: <81fff38d0810210808q4df9d61t51e139ea1e34efe8@mail.gmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Umberto Ferrara wrote: > I would like to talk about the SMTP diagnostic in PEC systems. > > I think that it could be very useful to enrich the PEC with a sort of > SMTP-diagnostic management feature and give more feedbacks to > the users, also in case of failed deliveries. > Such Internet notifications are already handled by being inserted in anomaly envelopes and sent to the sending user. To enhance the system by giving a more PEC-standardized specification of the error could be a good idea, but not all MTA implementations generate standard-formatted notifications (DSN - RFC 3461 - 3464). This could be done in the future on a best effort basis. --Alba Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBIJZ3055626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9RBIJ8X055625; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:18:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ITANIUM.ISTI.CNR.IT (mx4.isti.cnr.it [194.119.192.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9RBI6aU055569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Alba.Shahin@isti.cnr.it) Received: from conversionlocal.isti.cnr.it by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) id <01N17XL6HVVKC7KAOB@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@vpnc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:17:28 +0200 Received: from [146.48.87.228] (pc-suketeru.isti.cnr.it [146.48.87.228]) by mx.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.4 #31598) with ESMTPSA id <01N17XL4QVV8C7KEDU@mx.isti.cnr.it> for ietf-smime@vpnc.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:17:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:17:08 +0100 From: Shahin Alba Subject: Re: Comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.txt In-reply-to: <48F7AEE6.4090404@inrete.it> To: gb@inrete.it Cc: ietf-smime@vpnc.org Message-id: <4905A334.7080904@isti.cnr.it> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.87.228 Auth Done References: <48F7AEE6.4090404@inrete.it> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Bernardi Giorgio wrote: > 2.2.2. Incoming point > > This point permits the exchange of PEC messages and > notifications between PEC providers. It is also the point > through which ordinary mail messages can be inserted within the > circuit of certified mail. > > The exchange of messages between providers takes place through > SMTP-based transactions, as defined in [SMTP]. If SMTP > communication errors occur, they can be handled using the > standard error notification mechanisms, as provided by SMTP in > [SMTP] and [SMTP-DSN], however if the message is coming from > another PEC provider for the notification of the error the PEC > message for "Non-delivery notification" should be used in place of > the SMTP error. When SMTP communication errors occur, the error notification is generated by the sending PEC server itself, not the intended receiving one -since the communication error would occur before the message reached the destination. That notification is sent to the server's service mailbox (not the user's mailbox), and after a certain amount of time the Timeout Delivery Error Notification is generated by the sending server. The only case we can think of in which the receiving server could send an SMTP error, would be if the MTA at the receiver's side got hold of the message and ran its standard checks on it -therefore rejecting it- rather than having PEC checks run on the message. This though must not happen, since all messages have to be accepted by the PEC server. A minor adjustment though will be the following: "If SMTP communication errors occur, they MAY be handled using the standard error notification mechanisms, as provided by SMTP in [SMTP] and [SMTP-DSN]." --Alba Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ML0qiS043921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9ML0qYI043920; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9ML0ftZ043899 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from blaker@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so417951fgb.26 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=5eTpwbPoXBMNrHhYQ27KkIOvj2CK4JSxh+W7kINEbok=; b=PGzaRJKHi2rm7CVjgrY90XMl/HriWvF6NPkzA+Wtawr5e+rUZHCFiZZY1xGl1vcB6Y Mwt8OSVBLI67zJ7gab9NSBaO4PgjzsZS5ui1J+SGKqDHei7VxREwBgfOmp+eSKoqXrwD Y5w0gNZdM1pjsEdNDBoMtFMPzokHBxFK11HQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pVm+KN8r9zDS9Uc3MG0vqZCenME1EeGb6IQ8Wh8IrhTj2yuou++tJ0b8Dj3zN7SXZH w8Zk8WvlVXKMB0zyezK7bDfKk497ZPGzwAvuNRALWKFq6czsuiOAVHIcSxJp9C4uiTXR loVd8hlM6rhnwo1bpgdvk5R6o+rv1wZjbvIDI= Received: by 10.181.145.6 with SMTP id x6mr1520517bkn.25.1224709239921; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.36.7 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <985966520810221400v63274a17ia8e28cf8176fc6ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:39 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : Use of Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) Algorithms in Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) Author(s) : S. Turner, D. Brown Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03.txt Pages : 55 Date : 2008-10-22 This document describes how to use Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) public-key algorithms in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). The ECC algorithms support the creation of digital signatures and the exchange of keys to encrypt or authenticate content. The definition of the algorithm processing is based on the NIST FIPS 186-3 for digital signature, NIST SP800-56A for key agreement, RFC 3565 for key wrap and content encryption, NIST FIPS 180-3 for message digest, and RFCs 2104 and 4231 for message authentication code standards. This document will obsolete RFC 3278. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Informational Track RFC. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on 6 November 2008. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors that the document, after possible editorial or other minor changes, be considered by the IESG for publication as an Informational RFC (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately addressed prior to further action (including, possibly, another WG Last Call). Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! 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This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Use of Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) Algorithms in Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) Author(s) : S. Turner, D. Brown Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03.txt Pages : 55 Date : 2008-10-22 This document describes how to use Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) public-key algorithms in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). The ECC algorithms support the creation of digital signatures and the exchange of keys to encrypt or authenticate content. The definition of the algorithm processing is based on the NIST FIPS 186-3 for digital signature, NIST SP800-56A for key agreement, RFC 3565 and RFC 3370 for key wrap and content encryption, NIST FIPS 180-3 for message digest, and RFC 2104 and RFC 4231 for message authentication code standards. This document will obsolete RFC 3278. 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Thanks to all who participated. Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | http://www.blakeramsdell.com Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9LFQ0uB050355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9LFQ0CJ050354; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.12.34]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9LFPnHJ050302 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:26:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1007119BB3; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:49 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (larry.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TtUOzRaa340C; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:48 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.152]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7165719BB0; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:47 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz (wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE38E19EC0BA; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:43 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from pgut001 by wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KsJ79-0006iq-3q; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:43 +1300 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: ferrara@exentrica.it, ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text In-Reply-To: <81fff38d0810210808q4df9d61t51e139ea1e34efe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:25:43 +1300 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: "Umberto Ferrara" writes: >Suppose that a PEC users sends a message to a non-existent ordinary recipient >and that PEC provider system receives a SMTP 5xx error type. If it doesn't >propagate this error, the sender won't be able to know that his message could >not be delivered. > >The solution could be forwarding the error message into an anomaly envelope >containing a short description of the problem If it never gets to the end user that the sender has a (trust) relationship with, how is key management for the anomaly envelope handled? Peter. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9LF8v1P046316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9LF8vZq046313; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9LF8ed1046253 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from uferrara@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 30so1005767nfu.24 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=VBx3gRtq3aaSTNZzwjL6aLxCjnLuItuZPUVWUE+Qg1o=; b=bR3642Uuh8QkepeIuEgScwOjWiPRZwQ60/hQhRexpn5vg3v+NDVtGG92Pk9LU9vC+U mkjEaPeGPtV6TQMLpG3UA4TAW2JDmN0kvshz7g+Gml4SFUxpS8lPHg2BtsSbkUExL3ra MOkGvP4Dqt1lcMqzHKsylKAO00N7DQ9soLrgM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=FF6o+24A48xr539jy9QzIT9Q2YNhf0HZn2UlnBaYcZ7FH1Yeehr+ck9bWGFp9c0pPS jrJKqS7y+c0I9OzoWM2KNr9i5D9gsQDreaj/EngDhvHc6CfgT8uFML8vQ0gIpzXT92fX yUtC0kyuOD7DUx3uAQMFEgRuC1OfjrdZ7vSdA= Received: by 10.210.116.14 with SMTP id o14mr10453212ebc.88.1224601719152; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.17.13 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <81fff38d0810210808q4df9d61t51e139ea1e34efe8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:08:39 +0200 From: "Umberto Ferrara" To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Certified email: comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.text MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8067_16471194.1224601719162" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 405e56314455708f Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: ------=_Part_8067_16471194.1224601719162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all I'm a PEC technician and a component of the open source project OpenPEC (www.openpec.org). I would like to talk about the SMTP diagnostic in PEC systems. I think that it could be very useful to enrich the PEC with a sort of SMTP-diagnostic management feature and give more feedbacks to the users, also in case of failed deliveries. Suppose that a PEC users sends a message to a non-existent ordinary recipient and that PEC provider system receives a SMTP 5xx error type. If it doesn't propagate this error, the sender won't be able to know that his message could not be delivered. The solution could be forwarding the error message into an anomaly envelope containing a short description of the problem In this way the PEC user could receive negative feedbacks (failed deliveries) in a homogeneous mode, i.e. with a PEC-format message (anomaly envelope). Best regards -- [Umberto Ferrara] _____________________________________ EXENTRICA srl via Giuntini, 63 56023 Navacchio (PI) tel: +39 0575 19 39 163 fax: +39 050 38 69 811 web: http://www.exentrica.it email: ferrara@exentrica.it ------=_Part_8067_16471194.1224601719162 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all
I'm a PEC technician and a component of the open source project
OpenPEC (www.openpec.org).

I would like to talk about the SMTP diagnostic in PEC systems.

I think that it could be very useful to enrich the PEC with a sort of
SMTP-diagnostic management feature and give more feedbacks to
the users, also in case of failed deliveries.

Suppose that a PEC users sends a message to a non-existent ordinary
recipient and that PEC provider system receives a SMTP 5xx error type.
If it doesn't propagate this error, the sender won't be able to know that
his message could not be delivered.

The solution could be forwarding the error message into an anomaly
envelope containing a short description of the problem

In this way the PEC user could receive negative feedbacks (failed
deliveries) in a homogeneous mode, i.e. with a PEC-format message
(anomaly envelope).

Best regards

--
[Umberto Ferrara]
_____________________________________
EXENTRICA srl
via Giuntini, 63
56023 Navacchio (PI)
tel:    +39 0575 19 39 163
fax:    +39 050  38 69 811

web:   http://www.exentrica.it    
email: ferrara@exentrica.it
------=_Part_8067_16471194.1224601719162-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9KCeZWs008218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9KCeZ8M008217; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9KCeZOf008211 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:40:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wwwrun@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id B384228C119; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:39:22 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Second Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-ibearch (Identity-based Encryption Architecture and Supporting Data Structures) to Proposed Standard Reply-to: ietf@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: <20081020123922.B384228C119@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a second last call for consideration of the following document from the S/MIME Mail Security WG (smime): - 'Identity-based Encryption Architecture and Supporting Data Structures ' as a Proposed Standard Technical issues raised in IETF Last Call and IESG evaluation have been resolved. However, there have been substantive changes in the relevant IPR disclosures statements since the review process was initiated. Specifically, IPR disclosure statement #888, (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/888/) was replaced by PR disclosure statement #950, (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/950/) This Last Call is intended to confirm continued community support in light of the new IPR disclosure statement. Given the limited scope of this Last Call, an abbreviated time period has been selected. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-10-27. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=14987&rfc_flag=0 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9KCcvur008091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9KCcvlM008090; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9KCcvVG008084 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wwwrun@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 168C03A6A29; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:37:44 -0700 (PDT) X-idtracker: yes To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Second Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-bfibecms (Using the Boneh-Franklin and Boneh-Boyen identity-based Encryption Algorithms with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)) to Proposed Standard Reply-to: ietf@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: <20081020123745.168C03A6A29@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a second last call for consideration of the following document from the S/MIME Mail Security WG (smime): - 'Using the Boneh-Franklin and Boneh-Boyen identity-based Encryption Algorithms with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) ' as a Proposed Standard Technical issues raised in IETF Last Call and IESG evaluation have been resolved. However, there have been substantive changes in the relevant IPR disclosures statements since the review process was initiated. Specifically, IPR disclosure statement #888, (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/888/) was replaced by PR disclosure statement #950, (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/950/) This Last Call is intended to confirm continued community support in light of the new IPR disclosure statement. Given the limited scope of this Last Call, an abbreviated time period has been selected. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-10-27. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-bfibecms-10.txt IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=14992&rfc_flag=0 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9GLFRhM064603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9GLFRYY064602; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:15:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mintbk2.inrete.it (staff.inrete.it [85.89.129.9]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9GLFQt8064593 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:15:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gb@inrete.it) Received: (from root@localhost) by mintbk2.inrete.it (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) id m9GLFPa1024933 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:15:25 +0200 Received: from computer-di-giorgio-bernardi.local (host114-243-static.55-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it [88.55.243.114]) Inrete IControl (IControlServer: mintbk2 SrcIp: 88.55.243.114 SrcIpType: UnTrusted RblListed: no ResolvedAs: host114-243-static.55-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it UserType: Local UserHeaderType: Local Authenticated: yes) (authenticated bits=0) by mintbk2.inrete.it (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id m9GLFIb4024870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:15:20 +0200 X-Icontrol: Sent by Inrete Icontrol Message-ID: <48F7AEE6.4090404@inrete.it> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:15:18 +0200 From: Bernardi Giorgio Reply-To: gb@inrete.it Organization: Inrete Srl User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org Subject: Comment on draft-gennai-smime-cnipa-pec-00.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Inrete-Amavisjob-Virus-Scanned: PDAmail Multiple Antivirus with ClamAv X-Inrete-Amavisjob-Service-Runned: 6 (m9GLFIb4024870) X-Inrete-Amavisjob-Service-Disabled: No Service disabled (m9GLFIb4024870) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Being a developer of "PEC recommendation" compliant software, I just like to point out a clarification that would be nice on the point 2.2.2 of the draft, in order to promote the "best practice" that have surfaced in the recent years. Lately has been discovered that many PEC messages are handled by automatic systems in banking and security organizations, for which to decode and understand SMTP error message is adding a level of complexity to the software app that generate PEC messages, so most of them prefer wait and process the "Non-delivery notification" that is now used as the preferred method to convey errors. Now the point 2.2.2 is states as: ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.2.2. Incoming point This point permits the exchange of PEC messages and notifications between PEC providers. It is also the point through which ordinary mail messages can be inserted within the circuit of certified mail. The exchange of messages between providers takes place through SMTP-based transactions, as defined in [SMTP]. If SMTP communication errors occur, they can be handled using the standard error notification mechanisms, as provided by SMTP in [SMTP] and [SMTP-DSN]. ------------------------------------------------------------------ A better way to state it could be: ------------------------------------------------------------------ 2.2.2. Incoming point This point permits the exchange of PEC messages and notifications between PEC providers. It is also the point through which ordinary mail messages can be inserted within the circuit of certified mail. The exchange of messages between providers takes place through SMTP-based transactions, as defined in [SMTP]. If SMTP communication errors occur, they can be handled using the standard error notification mechanisms, as provided by SMTP in [SMTP] and [SMTP-DSN], however if the message is coming from another PEC provider for the notification of the error the PEC message for "Non-delivery notification" should be used in place of the SMTP error. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Regards. -- ____________________________________________________________ Giorgio Bernardi INRETE Email gb@inrete.it Via Postiglione, 29 10024 Moncalieri (TO) Tel 011 6811590 Fax 011 6811603 Email info@inrete.it Web http://www.inrete.it Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EIEUcE022929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9EIEUpD022928; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from WOTAN.TR-Sys.de (gateway.tr-sys.de [213.178.172.147]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EIED3V022889 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from A.Hoenes@tr-sys.de) Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3) id AA248507976; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:56 +0200 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id UAA11236; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:55 +0200 (MESZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200810141812.UAA11236@TR-Sys.de> Subject: review of draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:55 +0200 (MESZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I once again have performed a rather detailed review of the main body, and to a lesser extent the ASN.1 modules included, of the CMS ECC Algorithms draft, which had undergone substantive edits for its current version, draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02. The review has grown to 900++ lines and I have sent it off-list to the authors only to avoid pollution of list mailbox space. The issues raised are mainly editorial, and in no case meant to change the reasonable normative content of the current draft; yet, a few inconsistencies (perhaps introduced by accident) are noted and recommendations for resolution have been included in the review. Kind regards, Alfred. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EBl8FU084975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9EBl8CZ084974; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from WOTAN.TR-Sys.de (gateway.tr-sys.de [213.178.172.147]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9EBkt0W084957 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:47:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from A.Hoenes@tr-sys.de) Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3) id AA246364738; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:45:38 +0200 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id NAA10506; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:45:37 +0200 (MESZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200810141145.NAA10506@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:45:36 +0200 (MESZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I have already followed up the new version draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09 and reported off-list a single small typo, which could easily be fixed at a later stage in the publication process. Otherwise, all concerns I had raised in the past have been addressed in a satisfactory manner, and the draft is in a very good shape now. Although not acknowledged in the draft, it has seen substantial discussion on- and off-list, and as far as I can see, all concerns raised on the list have been resolved as well. Thus, I support forwarding this draft for publication; it serves as a Normative Reference for the S/MIME v3.2 Message Specification WG draft (draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08) already forwarded to the IESG, and hence is needed as soon as possible. Kind regards, Alfred HÎnes. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CI3CnR025668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9CI3CLp025667; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9CI306H025653 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from blaker@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so971786fgb.26 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=VYMO0wDzskxgK05Opzj01CwpBDnMnZKc3AFk+K+57fw=; b=sD11PtIST0JDcZD+7SA0Mth/QUEPxJouzZnQHWA+4i5ifaDHGK2ZnKolxSiUBz/Gx4 MjThYYTsz9tawyyIpG7HtRDPk62ziz6ZzCvtUmUd9gGEs6Egvk95quhnlBdichrUUJ2R iGy/fnpC8q3/ZFCEC4GUTIhg4mRBpzn6dSA7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=vN92Gd5yeOPvLb0tWLL4A+enMl880LRiXTO6yqNSYeBlFR9dxs9GGQIjn4PVJ/Dx43 bYHCdMLPfMLkGdEXgh/25O0URALCun3ZtRsA9gnFRDRem34YgJHnm4GHjROvi9HWG/Yu hVCe/TsDIjx4czcH97dBM2LkpDzj0ndUhxpQk= Received: by 10.181.134.11 with SMTP id l11mr3783374bkn.73.1223834578517; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.36.7 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <985966520810121102w705fd6adr401fe7d0cd3dbfea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:02:58 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with Cryptographic Message Syntax Author(s) : S. Turner Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2008-10-9 his document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA-384, SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman (RSA), and Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Standards Track RFC. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on 20 October 2008. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors that the document, after possible editorial or other minor changes, be considered by the IESG for publication as an Informational RFC (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately addressed prior to further action (including, possibly, another WG Last Call). Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | http://www.blakeramsdell.com Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m99IjnHL091240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m99Ijnac091237; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m99Ijnnb091225 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 663E73A6A3B; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081009184504.663E73A6A3B@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Identity-based Encryption Architecture and Supporting Data Structures Author(s) : G. Appenzeller, L. Martin, M. Schertler Filename : draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2008-10-9 This document describes the security architecture required to implement identity-based encryption, a public-key encryption technology that uses a user's identity as a public key. It also defines data structures that can be used to implement the technology. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-ibearch-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-9113804.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m99IjnvY091239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m99IjnVN091238; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m99Ijnxh091224 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 5C0A43A69F6; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081009184504.5C0A43A69F6@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with Cryptographic Message Syntax Author(s) : S. Turner Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2008-10-9 his document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA-384, SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman (RSA), and Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-sha2-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-9113456.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96L4SeZ098075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m96L4SQS098073; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m96L4HGI098052 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Message-Id: <200810062104.m96L4HGI098052@balder-227.proper.com> Received: (qmail 29700 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 21:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.145.18) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 21:04:10 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:04:13 -0400 To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3851bis-05.txt In-Reply-To: <366ED0364D3B4D81A6E2CACD5BBD20B8@Wylie> References: <366ED0364D3B4D81A6E2CACD5BBD20B8@Wylie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: With the posting of -08, it looks to me that all WG Last Call comments have been resolved. It looks like we have achieved WG rough consensus. Russ At 08:33 PM 8/21/2008, Turner, Sean P. wrote: >This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: > > Title : Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) > Version 3.2 Message Specification > Author(s) : B. Ramsdell, S. Turner > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-05.txt > Pages : 45 > Date : 2008-8-21 > >This document defines Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) >version 3.2. S/MIME provides a consistent way to send and receive secure >MIME data. Digital signatures provide authentication, message integrity, >and non-repudiation with proof of origin. Encryption provides data >confidentiality. Compression can be used to reduce data size. This >document obsoletes RFC 3851. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-05.txt > >The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has >achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a >Standards Track RFC. > >Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. >Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be >sent to the document editor. > >The Last Call period will end on 8 September 2008. > >Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon >the consensus of the WG. As the authors are also the WG co-chairs, Russ >Housley has offered to make consensus calls and the WG chairs have agreed to >abide by Russ's consensus calls. Possible actions include: > > 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors > that the document, after possible editorial or > other minor changes, be considered by the IESG > for publication as an Informational RFC > (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or > > 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately > addressed prior to further action (including, > possibly, another WG Last Call). > >Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure >the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, >please read and comment! > >spt Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96L4S8f098074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m96L4S7N098072; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m96L4Hgn098053 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:04:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Message-Id: <200810062104.m96L4Hgn098053@balder-227.proper.com> Received: (qmail 29698 invoked by uid 0); 6 Oct 2008 21:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.145.18) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 21:04:09 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:04:05 -0400 To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-rfc3850bis-05.txt In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: With the posting of -08, it looks to me that all WG Last Call comments have been resolved. It looks like we have achieved WG rough consensus. Russ At 08:32 PM 8/21/2008, Turner, Sean P. wrote: >This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: > > Title : Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) > Version 3.2 Certificate Handling > Author(s) : S. Turner, B. Ramsdell > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-05.txt > Pages : 20 > Date : 2008-8-21 > >This document specifies conventions for X.509 certificate usage by >Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) agents. S/MIME >provides a method to send and receive secure MIME messages, and certificates >are an integral part of S/MIME agent processing. S/MIME agents validate >certificates as described in RFC 5280, the Internet X.509 Public Key >Infrastructure Certificate and CRL Profile. S/MIME agents must meet the >certificate processing requirements in this document as well as those in RFC >5280. This document obsoletes RFC 3850. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-05.txt > >The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has >achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a >Standards Track RFC. > >Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. >Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be >sent to the document editor. > >The Last Call period will end on 8 September 2008. > >Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon >the consensus of the WG. As the authors are also the WG co-chairs, Russ >Housley has offered to make consensus calls and the WG chairs have agreed to >abide by Russ's consensus calls. Possible actions include: > > 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors > that the document, after possible editorial or > other minor changes, be considered by the IESG > for publication as an Informational RFC > (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or > > 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately > addressed prior to further action (including, > possibly, another WG Last Call). > >Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure >the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, >please read and comment! > >spt Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96I0eOF079724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m96I0eDm079722; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96I0dsc079710 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 757A928C1F8; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081006180002.757A928C1F8@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Certificate Handling Author(s) : S. Turner, B. Ramsdell Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2008-10-6 This document specifies conventions for X.509 certificate usage by Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) agents. S/MIME provides a method to send and receive secure MIME messages, and certificates are an integral part of S/MIME agent processing. S/MIME agents validate certificates as described in RFC 5280, the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Certificate and CRL Profile. S/MIME agents must meet the certificate processing requirements in this document as well as those in RFC 5280. This document obsoletes RFC 3850. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-3850bis-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-6105242.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96I0elW079725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m96I0eYq079723; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.32]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m96I0dv5079711 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from root@core3.amsl.com) Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 785BA28C1FC; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081006180002.785BA28C1FC@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) Version 3.2 Message Specification Author(s) : B. Ramsdell, S. Turner Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt Pages : 45 Date : 2008-10-6 This document defines Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (S/MIME) version 3.2. S/MIME provides a consistent way to send and receive secure MIME data. Digital signatures provide authentication, message integrity, and non-repudiation with proof of origin. Encryption provides data confidentiality. Compression can be used to reduce data size. This document obsoletes RFC 3851. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-3851bis-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2008-10-6105450.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m95LHepY078055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m95LHeOp078054; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m95LHS0h078041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from GALATIONS (static-66-14-119-7.bdsl.verizon.net [66.14.119.7]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECE66B741; Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Turner, Sean P.'" Cc: References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> In-Reply-To: <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: <030401c9272f$c41b4f00$4c51ed00$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckgKgrgKmNEQe1lR5KPs80gOLZdkQFbNO8AAAC8VSAAZWu6oA== Content-Language: en-us Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Turner, Sean P. > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:09 PM > To: 'Jim Schaad' > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > > Jim, > > 1. I was just following the conventions for SHA-1. I take it you're > suggesting we should break with those conventions? Yes we break with that convention. > > 2. I copied the last paragraph in 3.2 from RFC 4055 section 5. These need to be kept as is, we pulled this forward from somebody else who messed it up. We can't change this. > > spt > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 4:44 PM > >To: Sean P. Turner > >Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > >Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > > >Sean, > > > >1. Implenations MUST have absent parameters for SHA-2 -- > >there is no reason to allow anything else to run. I won't > >dispute the MUST read with NULL parameters however much I > >would like to. The defect does not really apply > >as plenty of time has passed and this is a new algorithm. The only > >exception to this appears to be in OAEP and PSS where the > >parameters are explicitly defined as being required. > > > >2. Why allow for optional parameters on the signature > >algorithms for rsa - not permitted for sha-1WithRSAEncryption. > > > > > >jim > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > >> smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:45 PM > >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > >> Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > >> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > >> > >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >> directories. > >> This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security > >Working Group of > >> the IETF. > >> > >> Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with > >Cryptographic Message > >> Syntax > >> Author(s) : S. Turner > >> Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > >> Pages : 10 > >> Date : 2008-9-26 > >> > >> This document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash > >> Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA- > >> 384, > >> SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also > >> describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and > >> the > >> Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman > >(RSA), and > >> Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. > >> > >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > >> > >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >> > >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > >> Internet-Draft. > > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m94JGNIj083358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m94JGNQi083357; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:16:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp102.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.216]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m94JGBjA083343 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: (qmail 41822 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2008 19:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Wylie) (turners@71.191.10.224 with login) by smtp102.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2008 19:16:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: T3dkBBkVM1mliKIy13AclXETWm5dsDW5akq76lBEAl0ncUJ_wWOxdeOW4y1lN3XXZRxbVgMXTm.8KqsoK3y6snsJZm0tSGDOiqT4LFyym_aNpKOK1AgCCw8fdCurnCBJ_7E.oegBF5NkU38Q8BwDAeBwAA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Turner, Sean P." To: References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> <985966520810031904w41a557ddk1c4822c852ecb7fc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:15:54 -0400 Organization: IECA, Inc. Message-ID: <49BF2066C5CD4B06BA6E078947DC9A27@Wylie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <985966520810031904w41a557ddk1c4822c852ecb7fc@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acklx3UYxSYe/092SCabwUqvik/i+wAXuZ8g Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: In para 2, I'll remove the paragraph that starts "There are two possible encodings for the SHA AlgorithmIdentifier ..." and I'll change the last paragraph in 2 from: The AlgorithmIdentifier parameters field is OPTIONAL. If present, the parameters field MUST contain a NULL. Implementations MUST accept SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with absent parameters. Implementations MUST accept SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with NULL parameters. Implementations SHOULD generate SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with absent parameters. To: The AlgorithmIdentifier parameters field is OPTIONAL. Implementations MUST accept SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with absent parameters. Implementations MUST accept SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with NULL parameters. Implementations MUST generate SHA2 AlgorithmIdentifiers with absent parameters. I'll post a new version Monday and I think we'll re-do a WGLC with a one week period. This time will give implementers with experience to chime in. spt >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org >[mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:05 PM >To: Turner, Sean P. >Cc: Jim Schaad; ietf-smime@imc.org >Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > >On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Turner, Sean P. > wrote: >> 1. I was just following the conventions for SHA-1. I take it you're >> suggesting we should break with those conventions? > >This is something we debated back in the DSA days. The bottom >line is that we were younger and dumber back in the 90's for >AlgorithmIdentifier, and now we know that the parameters are >an optional field. So the bottom line is that new algorithms >should be absent parameters instead of encoded as NULL. > >From RFC 2633: > >2.2 SignatureAlgorithmIdentifier > > Sending and receiving agents MUST support id-dsa defined in [DSS]. > The algorithm parameters MUST be absent (not encoded as NULL). > >So yeah, we're kind of jerks for carting around some of this >NULL for the older algorithms, but the rule of thumb is that >"for any new algorithms, the parameters are absent if there >aren't any". > >Blake >-- >Blake Ramsdell | http://www.blakeramsdell.com > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9424qBr011667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m9424qu6011665; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9424f4Y011601 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from blaker@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 18so1334424fkq.10 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:04:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KYC+oqtyNC9AM58PAuAF816F+amkcpDpAcKbYyuObYE=; b=OAn/90aUvekIkYrU5RKx8PG8pdbC3E+pFQuIGi2HndnXB/gY+sDgqD60fWS0AJ3RR5 FJmxfkb0/wG7GBn2g1QzQ6OCljWwJP4K99gdKazIR6PjLDMPBbeGLdwcGSlV2bUtz6R7 RSAdNiMbs+9k8wOMo0ZAQiOxDlSwE1yY/J3Mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=YCxNf43JwPLlgfYICJWJbqXyw8p1Tya5ANCaexQWZvjxtzUBDSDEuk/QpIcAwSehWr ID/l5qVDBkvppBN9KArrjjIEFvK6/cziYA+JRxzKrzSkjt9WrfODHg9HbxSDoGp+TcZL 889Qy5YVonmpw7dpzUIqZSfqnQf3bCIUay8m0= Received: by 10.180.207.7 with SMTP id e7mr1477898bkg.18.1223085880059; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.181.28.11 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <985966520810031904w41a557ddk1c4822c852ecb7fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:04:39 -0700 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: "Turner, Sean P." Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Cc: "Jim Schaad" , ietf-smime@imc.org In-Reply-To: <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Turner, Sean P. wrote: > 1. I was just following the conventions for SHA-1. I take it you're > suggesting we should break with those conventions? This is something we debated back in the DSA days. The bottom line is that we were younger and dumber back in the 90's for AlgorithmIdentifier, and now we know that the parameters are an optional field. So the bottom line is that new algorithms should be absent parameters instead of encoded as NULL. >From RFC 2633: 2.2 SignatureAlgorithmIdentifier Sending and receiving agents MUST support id-dsa defined in [DSS]. The algorithm parameters MUST be absent (not encoded as NULL). So yeah, we're kind of jerks for carting around some of this NULL for the older algorithms, but the rule of thumb is that "for any new algorithms, the parameters are absent if there aren't any". Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | http://www.blakeramsdell.com Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93L9d4t085428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m93L9dhj085427; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp101.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.215]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m93L9RPe085403 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:09:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: (qmail 3504 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2008 21:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Wylie) (turners@71.191.10.224 with login) by smtp101.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2008 21:09:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5RqcEa0VM1k3_4qMvda9DNgfBW_T.eIGWcbgDcGvFgqQrzKbyFxQIrqwD.6nxWfPGLqwXsomY3y0kmTns2ai2iBoOqbmfOaH0J8jtPjV95TypOBwXyfPbiKjDsvgpUP4AHv24NOkvl6WR3obLbGW8WAi8K0uIm0Wc0_PSYOIQ_nrYa.oNmQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Turner, Sean P." To: "'Jim Schaad'" Cc: References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:09:13 -0400 Organization: IECA, Inc. Message-ID: <05488B1D2E00491E9015F668708EA28D@Wylie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> Thread-Index: AckgKgrgKmNEQe1lR5KPs80gOLZdkQFbNO8AAAC8VSA= Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Jim, 1. I was just following the conventions for SHA-1. I take it you're suggesting we should break with those conventions? 2. I copied the last paragraph in 3.2 from RFC 4055 section 5. spt >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] >Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 4:44 PM >To: Sean P. Turner >Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org >Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > >Sean, > >1. Implenations MUST have absent parameters for SHA-2 -- >there is no reason to allow anything else to run. I won't >dispute the MUST read with NULL parameters however much I >would like to. The defect does not really apply >as plenty of time has passed and this is a new algorithm. The only >exception to this appears to be in OAEP and PSS where the >parameters are explicitly defined as being required. > >2. Why allow for optional parameters on the signature >algorithms for rsa - not permitted for sha-1WithRSAEncryption. > > >jim > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- >> smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:45 PM >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org >> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security >Working Group of >> the IETF. >> >> Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with >Cryptographic Message >> Syntax >> Author(s) : S. Turner >> Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt >> Pages : 10 >> Date : 2008-9-26 >> >> This document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash >> Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA- >> 384, >> SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also >> describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and >> the >> Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman >(RSA), and >> Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >> Internet-Draft. > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93KkqdM084024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:46:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id m93Kkq29084023; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m93KkfKK084011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from GALATIONS (unknown [74.92.162.33]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C9A77B1; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "Sean P. Turner" Cc: References: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20080926224507.788F23A6A18@core3.amsl.com> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:43:43 -0700 Message-ID: <085c01c92598$ba88bd30$2f9a3790$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckgKgrgKmNEQe1lR5KPs80gOLZdkQFbNO8A Content-Language: en-us Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Sean, 1. Implenations MUST have absent parameters for SHA-2 -- there is no reason to allow anything else to run. I won't dispute the MUST read with NULL parameters however much I would like to. The defect does not really apply as plenty of time has passed and this is a new algorithm. The only exception to this appears to be in OAEP and PSS where the parameters are explicitly defined as being required. 2. Why allow for optional parameters on the signature algorithms for rsa - not permitted for sha-1WithRSAEncryption. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf- > smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:45 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of > the IETF. > > Title : Using SHA2 Algorithms with Cryptographic Message > Syntax > Author(s) : S. Turner > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2008-9-26 > > This document describes the conventions for using the Secure Hash > Algorithm (SHA) message digest algorithms (SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA- > 384, > SHA-512) with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). It also > describes the conventions for using these algorithms with CMS and > the > Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA), Rivest Shamir Adleman (RSA), and > Elliptic Curve DSA (ECDSA) signature algorithms. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. 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To: References: <20080929170001.4ACD628C128@core3.amsl.com> Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02.txt Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:44:38 -0400 Organization: IECA, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckiVZL3l9LMHssFQYGDYXvp95GJEQAAkLyA In-Reply-To: <20080929170001.4ACD628C128@core3.amsl.com> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This version addresses most of Jim's comments. The two comments not fully addressed are: - AuthenticatedData/AuthEnvelopedData issues - parameter issues With respect to the parameters, instead of repeating the text for parameters from various IDs/RFCs we should just point to those other IDs/RFCs. RFC 3278: - Didn't indicate the parameters for SHA-1. Section 7.1.1 now points to draft-ietf-smime-sha2-08 for SHA-224, SHA-256, SHA-384, and SHA-512 parameters. I should have added a reference to RFC 3370 for SHA-1 in this version but forgot will add it in draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-03. - Indicated that the parameters for id-ecPublicKey were NULL for the originator field. Section 7.1.2 now states that the parameters for id-ecPublicKey are absent, NULL, or ECParameters (see editorial fix below). Since id-ecPublicKey is only used in originatorKey is used for ECDSA and the parameters for it are always ECParameters and always present (from draft-ietf-pkix-sha2-dsa-ecdsa) and other NIST specified signature algorithm parameter's are absent (e.g., DSA), NULL parameters seems wrong. Section 7.1.2 also states that parameters are preferred absent and if ECParameters are included they are ignored (we get them from the certificate). I'll add a note in -03 to indicate the old way has been changed. - Indicated that the parameters for ECDSA with SHA-1 were NULL. draft-ietf-pkix-ecc-subpubkeyinfo/draft-ietf-pkix-sha2-dsa-ecdsa indicates the parameters are absent. Section 7.1.3 now just points to the other drafts. I'll add a note in -03 to indicate the old way has been changed. - Was a little vague about KeyWrapAlgorithm ::= AgorithmIdentifier as the parameters. Section 7.1.4 of draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 clarifies this. - Indicated that key wrap algorithm parameters were NULL. This is correct for Triple-DES but not for AES. Section 7.1.5 draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 now points to the appropriate documents for the object identifiers and parameters for the key wrap algorithms. I'll add a note in -03 to indicate the old way has been changed. - Didn't indicate the parameters for content encryption algorithms. Section 7.1.6. of draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 points to the appropriate documents for object identifiers and parameters. - Didn't indicate the parameters for message authentication algorithms. Section 7.1.6 of draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02 points to the appropriate documents for object identifiers and parameters. I've already caught some other edits: - in 7.1.2 it ECPoint should be replaced by ECParameters. - in 7.1.7 SHA-1 is repeated many times and should be replaced by SHA-256, SHA-384, and SHA-512 - throughout I should have replaced SHA1 with SHA-1 where appropriate. spt >-----Original Message----- >From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org >[mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:00 PM >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02.txt > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >Internet-Drafts directories. >This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working >Group of the IETF. > > Title : Use of Elliptic Curve Cryptography >(ECC) Algorithms in Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) > Author(s) : S. Turner, D. Brown > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02.txt > Pages : 53 > Date : 2008-9-29 > >This document describes how to use Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) > public-key algorithms in the Cryptographic Message Syntax >(CMS). The > ECC algorithms support the creation of digital signatures and the > exchange of keys to encrypt or authenticate content. The >definition of the algorithm processing is based on the NIST >FIPS 186-3 for > digital signature, NIST SP800-56A for key agreement, RFC >3565 for key > wrap and content encryption, NIST FIPS 180-3 for message >digest, and > RFCs 2104 and 4231 for message authentication code standards. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-3278bis-02.txt > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail >reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII >version of the Internet-Draft. >