From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Aug 1 13:37:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2F311E827A; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:37:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.096, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7t1--xeghZ+i; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D285C11E820D; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:37:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120801203751.10633.16688.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:37:51 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-00.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:37:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : DHCPv6 Options for Mapping of Address and Port Author(s) : Tomasz Mrugalski Ole Troan Congxiao Bao Wojciech Dec Leaf Y. Yeh Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-00.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2012-08-01 Abstract: This document specifies DHCPv6 options for the provisioning of Mapping of Address and Port (MAP) Customer Edge (CE) devices, based on the MAP paramaters defined in [I-D.ietf-softwire-map]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From cuiyong@tsinghua.edu.cn Wed Aug 1 20:33:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767F111E80EF for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:33:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.403 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.403 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_DSN=1.495] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rMu+mkNYepgc for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn (smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn [166.111.8.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6FE11E809C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.68.180] by smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwmA0-0004yQ-Rs; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:33:17 +0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.0.0.100825 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:33:10 +0800 From: Yong Cui To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Slides for Softwire in IETF 84 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Softwires] Slides for Softwire in IETF 84 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 03:33:21 -0000 Hi folks, We've received most of the slides for our session at tomorrow morning. But we didn't receive the following items: 1) A converged solution 2) Port Set Definition Algorithms Analysis Please send to Suresh and me by 9:30pm, or we have to give the time slot to others. Thanks for your understanding. Yong -----Original Message----- From: Yong Cui Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:07:30 +0800 To: Cc: "suresh.krishnan" Subject: Slides for Softwire in IETF 84 >Hi folks, > >Our agenda was published at: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda/softwire/ > >Please send your slides to Suresh and me by 4pm on Wed. (Vancouver time). > >Thanks, > >Yong From mark@townsley.net Thu Aug 2 11:04:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE02811E81BB for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.501, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KosQkIYXJ1Wi for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C934F11E81BA for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so16103801obb.31 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:subject:date:message-id:cc:to:mime-version :x-mailer:x-gm-message-state; bh=GmFt3hLRp3RKwnX1WuhPuApX4+0wKq0CiwMa/P/iFM4=; b=Skvgq/0D40xPkseyI1vjv3xloYCiCNnAdCYn9SB/mYyqycY/fYZEzM+aXiyqHaIV1z MNyi0d3v7X+iDCzeMa8fAgztDFGBuXDqXM168F+J2StkcCi86t9lbVJia6Y4dVkj+Rhu wkTCVCdNWLvft4BfwdmtTuHwYgyjv1cJ+JyThl5Gut+YRbcP8ZyfwMC6oPvEoC99Ue0a Rzy4f37lssX+HR69yW9J0AXUOsLHe5AWfGfBh67jwm6NW6H66Rh56HAaHx4zKCdAcGjU UvifC6Kr32QhMS2o4kBnsdC+yO4h8gfXoT85NiBO4/HSdYtp8gEqOSr1cWlqKEI40mem 0HkQ== Received: by 10.182.16.3 with SMTP id b3mr38680435obd.72.1343930647442; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.21.166.154] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com. [128.107.239.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k3sm6594947obw.4.2012.08.02.11.04.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Townsley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_59D09B91-BB8D-4D44-8E67-F1CDF525A742" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:04:04 -0700 Message-Id: <18D013C5-5D6B-4546-BE15-8C4BAEC0CA17@townsley.net> To: Softwires WG Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl8hbNnjMXvc9jilE61rE9vEq3HHCSkZh+u0yA/nmAOBtIFnpwiLahPLll93a6XvvQhF/J9 Cc: Arthur Lacoste Subject: [Softwires] MAP Calculator X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:04:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_59D09B91-BB8D-4D44-8E67-F1CDF525A742 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Arthur, I just demoed your MAP Simulation tool for the group. Sounds = like they really liked it! (you got applause) Here's the link, for those who missed it: http://6lab.cisco.com/map/MAP.php Search for "Map Calculator" on Google Play for the android version. = iPhone version coming soon as well. Enjoy, and please let Arthur know if you think he did a good job :-) - Mark= --Apple-Mail=_59D09B91-BB8D-4D44-8E67-F1CDF525A742 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Arthur, I just demoed your MAP Simulation tool for the group. Sounds like they really liked it! (you got applause)

Here's the link, for those who missed it:


Search for "Map Calculator" on Google Play for the android version. iPhone version coming soon as well.

Enjoy, and please let Arthur know if you think he did a good job :-)

- Mark
--Apple-Mail=_59D09B91-BB8D-4D44-8E67-F1CDF525A742-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Aug 6 05:13:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FA521F8585; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:13:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.134, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9C9H2ofgTuKl; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039DC21F85CE; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:13:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120806121334.9935.58127.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:13:34 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-multicast-prefix-option-01.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:13:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : DHCPv6 Option for IPv4-Embedded Multicast and Unicast IP= v6 Prefixes Author(s) : Mohamed Boucadair Jacni Qin Tina Tsou Xiaohong Deng Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-multicast-prefix-option-01.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2012-08-06 Abstract: This document defines Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol version 6 (DHCPv6) Option for multicast transition solutions, aiming to convey the IPv6 prefixes to be used to build unicast and multicast IPv4- embedded IPv6 addresses. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-multicast-prefix-option There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-multicast-prefix-option-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-multicast-prefix-opt= ion-01 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Tue Aug 7 15:02:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9325C11E80FD for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:02:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.571 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.571 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38yP1F0XNovZ for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B12611E80D5 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q77M2ObN010727 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:02:25 -0500 Received: from [142.133.112.80] (147.117.20.214) by smtps-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.20.178) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.0; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:02:18 -0400 Message-ID: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:02:17 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Softwires WG X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:02:26 -0000 Hi all, During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. Regards Suresh & Yong * Questions are available at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf From jacni@jacni.com Tue Aug 7 22:14:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6615311E80EA for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bjw8wjqEF62G for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv05.olivemail.cn (mx100.vip.olivemail.net [74.82.185.218]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C8311E80E2 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv01.olivemail.cn (unknown [202.105.21.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by srv05.olivemail.cn (Olivemail) with ESMTPS id 15B24380035 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 01:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oray.cn (unknown [202.105.21.248]) by srv01.olivemail.cn (Olivemail) with ESMTP id A3609340045 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:14:00 +0800 (CST) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (unknown [118.135.11.98]) by app (Coremail) with SMTP id +AWowJCbLwKV9SFQC286AA--.23802S2; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:13:59 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <5021F590.3050007@jacni.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:13:52 +0800 From: Jacni Qin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090100040000060503090404" X-CM-TRANSID: +AWowJCbLwKV9SFQC286AA--.23802S2 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1UD129KBjvdXoWrZrWrZr1UGFW8Ar1DWFW8Xrb_yoWDZrc_uF WS9r95Ar1UAF47tw4Syr90ywnxCFWUG345trWDAryav34FvrsxtrsxWrWxWr18W3yxJry3 Jr1xW342ka4xujkaLaAFLSUrUUUUUb8apTn2vfkv8UJUUUU8Yxn0WfASr-VFAUDa7-sFnT 9fnUUIcSsGvfJ-t7k0a2IF6FyUM7kC6x804xWl1xkIjI8I6I8E6xAIw20EY4v20xvaj40_ Wr0E3s1lYx0E2Ix0cI8IcVAFwI0_Jr0_Jr4lYx0Ex4A2jsIE14v26r1j6r4UM4x0Y48IcV AKI48JMx8GjcxK6IxK0xIIj40E5I8CrwCYjI0SjxkI62AI1cAE67vIY487MxAIw28IcxkI 7VAKI48JMI8E67AF67kF1VAFwI0_Jrv_JF1lIxkGc2Ij64vIr4UvcSsGvfC2KfnxnUUI43 ZEXa7IU0_Ma5UUUUU== X-CM-SenderInfo: xmdf0xo6mdu03lof0z/1tbiAQEAEko7lR8HxAACso Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 05:14:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090100040000060503090404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re-, Seems to be a good choice, I'm in favor of it. Cheers, Jacni On 8/8/2012 Wednesday 6:02 AM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > Regards > Suresh & Yong > > * Questions are available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > > --------------090100040000060503090404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re-,

Seems to be a good choice, I'm in favor of it.


Cheers,
Jacni
On 8/8/2012 Wednesday 6:02 AM, Suresh Krishnan wrote:
Hi all,
  During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to
determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the
sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed
standard stateless solution.

This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus
towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard
stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this
selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please
also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete
at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21.

Regards
Suresh & Yong

* Questions are available at

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf


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--------------090100040000060503090404-- From fibrib@gmail.com Tue Aug 7 22:32:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB5311E8135 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:32:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.688 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.688 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.910, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iVtl6k6s3YWo for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1AA11E812D for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eekb45 with SMTP id b45so73034eek.31 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:32:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nwrPREVZmOFURAgMkNclWjyQPUXkjEs+nEA93SImkpE=; b=ZWUERV/HeSTuggKRi5OIYIMp5wsSXlCacU0PTrg862ZYTbKKs/DrKI48AQQYZwn+ul +zq/qDwrKHbTojvU61Xy+oFoqbD9AKrWjpehr6EH0vHkJta5iNOxIx5d1up0RRJ8D0MT 1PYSkSI+8hHa7l2zfy1wun/ARNShD/dghRsemTAyIP4tfOaH2BGrmK0beXnR+uwPsFTQ 4RDU8MTtCH7/rUneCgD8wlGKKmbCxdhccqSv7Cxqe92L1a7+q21LQKRGwwZ84a+/jbpB ql8i1VfKGw4lGt61Xfu4Z1792XXBANW+HlfQVtQnUoHzvmeTT5ghWSWJ+4ktRsBi5zLk Daaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.216.198 with SMTP id g46mr20885181eep.32.1344403925576; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.211.131 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:32:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:32:05 +0900 Message-ID: From: Maoke To: Suresh Krishnan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b603c1c6b2b2f04c6ba6ead Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 05:32:07 -0000 --047d7b603c1c6b2b2f04c6ba6ead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 chairs and all, as MAP-T and MAP-E were approved by the room of the IETF84 softwire session as different solutions, i confirm here that i am in favor of selecting MAP-E as the basis for the WG proposed standard for stateless solution. and i support the WG continuing the effort in providing the same MAP algorithm for both MAP-E and MAP-T, and making them inter-operable. - maoke 2012/8/8 Suresh Krishnan > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > Regards > Suresh & Yong > > * Questions are available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > --047d7b603c1c6b2b2f04c6ba6ead Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
chairs and all,=A0

as MAP-T and MAP-E wer= e approved by the room of the IETF84 softwire session as different solution= s, i confirm here that i am in favor of selecting MAP-E as the basis for th= e WG proposed standard for stateless solution.=A0

and i support the WG continuing the effort in providing= the same MAP algorithm for both MAP-E and MAP-T, and making them inter-ope= rable.=A0

- maoke

2012/8/8 Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com><= /span>
Hi all,
=A0 During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to
determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the
sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed
standard stateless solution.

This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus
towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard
stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this=
selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please
also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete
at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21.

Regards
Suresh & Yong

* Questions are available at

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-= softwire-15.pdf


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--047d7b603c1c6b2b2f04c6ba6ead-- From jan@go6.si Wed Aug 8 01:01:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D052221F86B1 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 01:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.824 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.824 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.776, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YnAsWvhXVh3L for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 01:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipv6.go6.si (unknown [212.44.108.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8754721F85B4 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 01:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [91.239.97.88] (unknown [91.239.97.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jan) by ipv6.go6.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A2A22CC001 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 10:01:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50221CDC.3000403@go6.si> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:01:32 +0200 From: "Jan Zorz @ go6.si" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwires@ietf.org References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:01:39 -0000 On 8/8/12 12:02 AM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. +1 finally a WG made a decision so we can move forward with A+P work. Cheers, Jan From roberta.maglione@telecomitalia.it Wed Aug 8 02:35:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F0121F852C for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 02:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.541 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.541 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.178, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MgtWGl78YAqC for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 02:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFEDG701BA020.telecomitalia.it (grfedg701ba020.telecomitalia.it [156.54.233.200]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C6E21F851E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 02:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFHUB702BA020.griffon.local (10.188.101.112) by GRFEDG701BA020.telecomitalia.it (10.188.45.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.245.1; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:35:24 +0200 Received: from GRFMBX704BA020.griffon.local ([10.188.101.15]) by GRFHUB702BA020.griffon.local ([10.188.101.112]) with mapi; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:35:23 +0200 From: Maglione Roberta To: 'Suresh Krishnan' , Softwires WG Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:35:23 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution Thread-Index: Ac106FnUo4/9HKabSPiur714UKk4aQAYE9Ag Message-ID: <282BBE8A501E1F4DA9C775F964BB21FE519702F137@GRFMBX704BA020.griffon.local> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US, it-IT Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, it-IT x-ti-disclaimer: Disclaimer1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:35:29 -0000 Hello, in my opinion the design team did a great job in creating the MAP draft= as a common baseline specification for MAP-T and MAP-E flavors and the pre= sentations we saw in Vancouver last week shown that implementations for bot= h MAP-T and MAP-E already exist and they just differs for few lines of code= . As this working group already discussed in the past, there are use cases th= at can be simply covered by MAP-T flavor of the MAP solution, for example b= eing able to apply ACL's and policies tied to customer's profile stored in= Radius server at the BNG level without requiring additional work and corre= lations on the BR. Speaking as a Service Provider I do care about these use cases, thus I woul= d encourage the working group to adopt the current MAP draft as is (includi= ng MAP-T and MAP-E) as the basis for the proposed standard stateless soluti= on and keep working on common MAP solution. Thanks Best regards, Roberta -----Original Message----- From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Beh= alf Of Suresh Krishnan Sent: mercoled=EC 8 agosto 2012 0.02 To: Softwires WG Subject: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basi= s for the proposed standard stateless solution Hi all, During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. Regards Suresh & Yong * Questions are available at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle per= sone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dall= a conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora abb= iate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di dar= ne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzione= , Grazie. This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privileged = information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, pri= nting or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended r= ecipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the sen= der by return e-mail, Thanks. From despres.remi@laposte.net Wed Aug 8 03:18:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F1A21F86C4 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:18:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.352, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mspg5XvgXC5A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr (smtp22.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252D421F865F for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2201.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A5AE57000061; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:18:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.73] (68.204.170.89.rev.sfr.net [89.170.204.68]) by msfrf2201.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 40053700005E; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:18:07 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20120808101807262.40053700005E@msfrf2201.sfr.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Despr=E9s?= In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:18:06 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> To: Suresh Krishnan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:18:13 -0000 Hi, Suresh, 2012-08-08 00:02, Suresh Krishnan : > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that = the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. >=20 > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of = this > selection by replying to this email. Although I personally voted for 4rd, I acknowledge how important it is = to make a choice, and that the WG expressed a clear preference for = Encapsulation. Since some the identified limitations of MAP-E can easily eliminated in = a new draft, as noted in particular by Mark and myself, I support = Encapsulation as the WG choice for standard track. Regards, RD=20 > If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will = complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. >=20 > Regards > Suresh & Yong >=20 > * Questions are available at >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From n@arifumi.net Wed Aug 8 03:50:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE7F21F853E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:50:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.677 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.677 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ery0WGvct8WW for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1243021F853C for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so648528vcb.31 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 03:50:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=An44JRHwakx3j/SUTjbLGPMlXCQNA5zcHNDTZkdgrLY=; b=TGMQSza8XNnkyG19OwVmmqZv+b8JyY8yUYH6RnLpP4aaZN4kxK7bJv3qQ6A9zaWW9k gnuE+SXFojS4cnmh6ai9s0kzjLEVcSiq2HTqxReyZr6LSyFsMMeU1zEYA+OtEeq2cIYn pe7eGKDRbJ761SLxrJKjUtyg7FEYlnN8ObhsOVvb/uw4NqUio1CpUKay0mScdL3MbKpM Sqzf7V3v5vO4BcFasTpXxAsjvNKOUp2XNKYE2NbOdrMarDv/2B0o2zOg+0RM3I0RQt73 5HvfRDd1/mPDwvNRRBG3Le/rtnBykhgRiEdjEwBk89ZLg/bNnlWSPB8ujBXDvIUyCybp QbWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.23.136 with SMTP id m8mr11691177vdf.28.1344423030283; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 03:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: n@arifumi.net Received: by 10.58.91.80 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:50:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [192.68.248.65] In-Reply-To: References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:50:30 +0900 X-Google-Sender-Auth: FhZW9Ttubi03G7bFEo9NFrfzipE Message-ID: From: Arifumi Matsumoto To: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UultaSBEZXNwculz?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlDW+g6w1Tgob3KEe/bux13JxD9St4y823olxn8kPFdj/QS2dk8Rv842ZaM3h2/mb84pazn Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:50:32 -0000 Chairs, I support the decision we've reached in Vancouver. Thank you for wonderful chairing so that we can finally move forward. 2012/8/8 R=E9mi Despr=E9s : > Hi, Suresh, > > > 2012-08-08 00:02, Suresh Krishnan : > >> Hi all, >> During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to >> determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the >> sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed >> standard stateless solution. >> >> This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus >> towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard >> stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this >> selection by replying to this email. > > Although I personally voted for 4rd, I acknowledge how important it is to= make a choice, and that the WG expressed a clear preference for Encapsula= tion. > Since some the identified limitations of MAP-E can easily eliminated in a= new draft, as noted in particular by Mark and myself, I support Encapsulat= ion as the WG choice for standard track. > > Regards, > RD > > >> If you are not in favor, please >> also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete >> at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. >> >> Regards >> Suresh & Yong >> >> * Questions are available at >> >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From ales.vizdal@t-mobile.cz Wed Aug 8 05:08:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C08321F8540 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.375 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.375 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.325, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4-n3MiQyxD8g for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub1.t-mobile.cz (mailhub1.t-mobile.cz [62.141.0.149]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1479821F853A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 05:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srvhk504.rdm.cz (unknown [10.254.92.81]) by mailhub1.t-mobile.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A496B28580B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from SRVHKE02.rdm.cz ([fe80::94ce:8456:f6fa:86a8]) by srvhk504.rdm.cz ([fe80::744e:351e:b5b:fd01%12]) with mapi; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:08:13 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?V=EDzdal_Ale=B9?= To: Softwires WG Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:05:37 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution Thread-Index: Ac106Fj62ig5G1+YRXOtR+jys4UjMQAbRPpQ Message-ID: <1808340F7EC362469DDFFB112B37E2FCC681CC19A3@SRVHKE02.rdm.cz> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forwarded Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:08:15 -0000 Chairs, thanks for moving the wg work forward by facilitating the discussion in Van= couver! I support progressing MAP-E as a basis for the proposed standard stateless = solution=20 for mesh deployments. Cheers, Ales > -----Original Message----- > From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On B= ehalf Of > Suresh Krishnan > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:02 AM > To: Softwires WG > Subject: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the ba= sis for the > proposed standard stateless solution >=20 > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. >=20 > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. >=20 > Regards > Suresh & Yong >=20 > * Questions are available at >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From rajiva@cisco.com Wed Aug 8 07:13:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F8A11E80DC for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:13:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uDl68aRCiUcf for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D2711E80AD for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:13:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=rajiva@cisco.com; l=3628; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344435192; x=1345644792; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=bSzX8X5skDCTwm1pgG+Cuwp7OXkJZVkBDCj3kh6vWtc=; b=iVgtFFCVXT0Qfz+jrOA12PzuzlMFEX6y719UPX9t+cbIA3paWpOeGpG3 0JhT9fmZdRDxl0yjlN4jxXZ4R9g8fgelhUi2AIfGNF/ARhSkAzO6b5e0+ 7fM2C9IfdR4NMkdM6vWyj9w8YA8hWl6+N8li+AVdwlkchue8dAjm7kzmP s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAOtyIlCtJXG+/2dsb2JhbABFuVyBB4IgAQEBAgEBAQEBDwEKUQsFBwQCAQgRBAEBJAQHJwsUCQgCBA4FCRIHh2UGC5pKoD2LEhqFZmADiBmNMI4pgWaCX4Ff X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,733,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="109589775" Received: from rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com ([173.37.113.190]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2012 14:13:11 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com [173.37.183.81]) by rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q78EDBvZ002002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:13:11 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x06.cisco.com ([169.254.6.230]) by xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com ([173.37.183.81]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:13:11 -0500 From: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" To: Maglione Roberta Thread-Topic: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution Thread-Index: AQHNdOhZMd8FLs3wEkCDQwRoU48upJdP/EWA///5zDU= Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 14:13:11 +0000 Message-ID: <18DF92A3-5DDC-47B3-A2FE-FB867A91C640@cisco.com> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com>, <282BBE8A501E1F4DA9C775F964BB21FE519702F137@GRFMBX704BA020.griffon.local> In-Reply-To: <282BBE8A501E1F4DA9C775F964BB21FE519702F137@GRFMBX704BA020.griffon.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19094.000 x-tm-as-result: No--42.766200-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:13:13 -0000 +1 I also support MAP-E and MAP-T, as Maglione pointed out. We need to be resp= ectful of the design team that produced MAP based on consideration and requ= irements. Not to forget that MAP-T (unlike others) has already been deploye= d. Cheers, Rajiv Sent from my Phone On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:35 AM, "Maglione Roberta" wrote: > Hello, > in my opinion the design team did a great job in creating the MAP draf= t as a common baseline specification for MAP-T and MAP-E flavors and the pr= esentations we saw in Vancouver last week shown that implementations for bo= th MAP-T and MAP-E already exist and they just differs for few lines of cod= e. >=20 > As this working group already discussed in the past, there are use cases = that can be simply covered by MAP-T flavor of the MAP solution, for example= being able to apply ACL's and policies tied to customer's profile stored = in Radius server at the BNG level without requiring additional work and cor= relations on the BR. > Speaking as a Service Provider I do care about these use cases, thus I wo= uld encourage the working group to adopt the current MAP draft as is (inclu= ding MAP-T and MAP-E) as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solu= tion and keep working on common MAP solution. >=20 > Thanks > Best regards, > Roberta >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On B= ehalf Of Suresh Krishnan > Sent: mercoled=EC 8 agosto 2012 0.02 > To: Softwires WG > Subject: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the ba= sis for the proposed standard stateless solution >=20 > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. >=20 > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. >=20 > Regards > Suresh & Yong >=20 > * Questions are available at >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >=20 > Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle p= ersone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante da= lla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora a= bbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di d= arne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua distruzio= ne, Grazie. >=20 > This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain privilege= d information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, p= rinting or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended= recipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the s= ender by return e-mail, Thanks. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From despres.remi@laposte.net Wed Aug 8 07:51:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65A821F867F for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.363, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vnx4tcZ9tqI2 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp24.services.sfr.fr (smtp24.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05BD21F8674 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2408.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EA1EA70000B3; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:51:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.73] (68.204.170.89.rev.sfr.net [89.170.204.68]) by msfrf2408.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 83AE470000AE; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:51:56 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20120808145156539.83AE470000AE@msfrf2408.sfr.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Despr=E9s?= In-Reply-To: <18DF92A3-5DDC-47B3-A2FE-FB867A91C640@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:51:52 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com>, <282BBE8A501E1F4DA9C775F964BB21FE519702F137@GRFMBX704BA020.griffon.local> <18DF92A3-5DDC-47B3-A2FE-FB867A91C640@cisco.com> To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:51:59 -0000 Le 2012-08-08 =E0 16:13, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) a =E9crit : > +1 >=20 > I also support MAP-E and MAP-T, as Maglione pointed out. We need to be = respectful of the design team that produced MAP based on consideration = and requirements. > Not to forget that MAP-T (unlike others) has already been deployed. Without ignoring that,=20 - the clear order of preference for a single standard solution has been = in Vancouver first MAP-E, then 4rd, then MAP-T well behind, - the design team of 4rd also deserves respect, - a number of issues have yet to be closed regarding what is exactly = MAP-T,=20 could you communicate, for the sake of information, the DMR, and the = BMRs/FMRs if any, of the deployment(s) you are referring to? Thanks, RD >=20 > Cheers, > Rajiv >=20 > Sent from my Phone >=20 > On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:35 AM, "Maglione Roberta" = wrote: >=20 >> Hello, >> in my opinion the design team did a great job in creating the MAP = draft as a common baseline specification for MAP-T and MAP-E flavors and = the presentations we saw in Vancouver last week shown that = implementations for both MAP-T and MAP-E already exist and they just = differs for few lines of code. >>=20 >> As this working group already discussed in the past, there are use = cases that can be simply covered by MAP-T flavor of the MAP solution, = for example being able to apply ACL's and policies tied to customer's = profile stored in Radius server at the BNG level without requiring = additional work and correlations on the BR. >> Speaking as a Service Provider I do care about these use cases, thus = I would encourage the working group to adopt the current MAP draft as is = (including MAP-T and MAP-E) as the basis for the proposed standard = stateless solution and keep working on common MAP solution. >>=20 >> Thanks >> Best regards, >> Roberta >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Suresh Krishnan >> Sent: mercoled=EC 8 agosto 2012 0.02 >> To: Softwires WG >> Subject: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as = the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution >>=20 >> Hi all, >> During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to >> determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that = the >> sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed >> standard stateless solution. >>=20 >> This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus >> towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard >> stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of = this >> selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please >> also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will = complete >> at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. >>=20 >> Regards >> Suresh & Yong >>=20 >> * Questions are available at >>=20 >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>=20 >> Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente = alle persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione = derivante dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente = vietate. Qualora abbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete = cortesemente pregati di darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di = provvedere alla sua distruzione, Grazie. >>=20 >> This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain = privileged information intended for the addressee(s) only. = Dissemination, copying, printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. = If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and = any attachments and advise the sender by return e-mail, Thanks. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Wed Aug 8 08:11:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5D121F8674 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sgkvXT6judE9 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5C521F853B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qadz3 with SMTP id z3so2496086qad.10 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=sCvBT4t1sT6luSb+qFqugE9AqMveSvXFzMyKOo7m4mI=; b=murNKqTzS9EFburWeP8EpDkFXgJxZ6Bs5CbEqZr0bLtp+iO2lAK5OG+D+wwAHgO2eX nQA8VWOeq2TBXv9wDMDlFCmOXh/18AkzZt4wmol1rFmgdllOo8TycjDBAxrPtO9aQ8Yz LJR0GZFxsVtGEels3N/puYUFiObFsB7YhVmkfXLvX3pA24mPcNXtyzaGYDM7umNUb0Ya YaY5FPXXDh/L+aqSEsrQ3iqzV3EGhvXgzjojv+QyNhZUxuGAfxrkF++LM57pU9rvbJCg 0L89oYRAd3aOydQdnIvOO4szW1fJwru2lYOv3AZGgic2pE7AU0EGnsE0PDPwQzrLgoKx ujyQ== Received: by 10.224.174.72 with SMTP id s8mr30503010qaz.91.1344438672876; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [161.44.65.173] ([161.44.65.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dr6sm18861036qab.16.2012.08.08.08.11.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:11:01 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com>, <282BBE8A501E1F4DA9C775F964BB21FE519702F137@GRFMBX704BA020.griffon.local> <18DF92A3-5DDC-47B3-A2FE-FB867A91C640@cisco.com> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Despr=E9s?= , "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:11:14 -0000 Please move this discussion to a new thread. The topic for this thread = is confirmation of consensus for selecting MAP-E. - Ralph On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:51 AM 8/8/12, R=E9mi Despr=E9s wrote: >=20 > Le 2012-08-08 =E0 16:13, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) a =E9crit : >=20 >> +1 >>=20 >> I also support MAP-E and MAP-T, as Maglione pointed out. We need to = be respectful of the design team that produced MAP based on = consideration and requirements. >=20 >=20 >> Not to forget that MAP-T (unlike others) has already been deployed. >=20 > Without ignoring that,=20 > - the clear order of preference for a single standard solution has = been in Vancouver first MAP-E, then 4rd, then MAP-T well behind, > - the design team of 4rd also deserves respect, > - a number of issues have yet to be closed regarding what is exactly = MAP-T,=20 > could you communicate, for the sake of information, the DMR, and the = BMRs/FMRs if any, of the deployment(s) you are referring to? >=20 > Thanks, > RD >=20 >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Rajiv >>=20 >> Sent from my Phone >>=20 >> On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:35 AM, "Maglione Roberta" = wrote: >>=20 >>> Hello, >>> in my opinion the design team did a great job in creating the MAP = draft as a common baseline specification for MAP-T and MAP-E flavors and = the presentations we saw in Vancouver last week shown that = implementations for both MAP-T and MAP-E already exist and they just = differs for few lines of code. >>>=20 >>> As this working group already discussed in the past, there are use = cases that can be simply covered by MAP-T flavor of the MAP solution, = for example being able to apply ACL's and policies tied to customer's = profile stored in Radius server at the BNG level without requiring = additional work and correlations on the BR. >>> Speaking as a Service Provider I do care about these use cases, thus = I would encourage the working group to adopt the current MAP draft as is = (including MAP-T and MAP-E) as the basis for the proposed standard = stateless solution and keep working on common MAP solution. >>>=20 >>> Thanks >>> Best regards, >>> Roberta >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Suresh Krishnan >>> Sent: mercoled=EC 8 agosto 2012 0.02 >>> To: Softwires WG >>> Subject: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as = the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution >>>=20 >>> Hi all, >>> During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to >>> determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that = the >>> sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the = proposed >>> standard stateless solution. >>>=20 >>> This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG = consensus >>> towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed = standard >>> stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of = this >>> selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please >>> also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will = complete >>> at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. >>>=20 >>> Regards >>> Suresh & Yong >>>=20 >>> * Questions are available at >>>=20 >>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Softwires mailing list >>> Softwires@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>>=20 >>> Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente = alle persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione = derivante dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente = vietate. Qualora abbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete = cortesemente pregati di darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di = provvedere alla sua distruzione, Grazie. >>>=20 >>> This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain = privileged information intended for the addressee(s) only. = Dissemination, copying, printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. = If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and = any attachments and advise the sender by return e-mail, Thanks. >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Softwires mailing list >>> Softwires@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Wed Aug 8 08:22:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A837C21F85B8 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iBJX5G2UPZ5M for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C66721F85A5 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bkty7 with SMTP id y7so401536bkt.31 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:22:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=NveK95g1OQgJJBb0xwx+Q2CDjX+qTZgYj+NeGAPR3Z4=; b=0AkSIM69ZeJtwh99iOi7ozpWQtEGWI2D62N7pEQQoGusP7JbIaUKWS2V777I9GK4Qq X9DVRxzAFb6PzEzstQQC8PL/scHO4qJLVIxa0xBW/d4mirGo4qHMu0cAk/Y/d+iOH6Wn urxJrt3+ewEaRQtZEajwYIU9eooq8niYNnKY6/QKLMl11DFaEmRnOAReTgUdOfkhJLfX vSjt5Wzb+L2MU/DO6bMbY9lnzNOcYFrx/htk09hzhRIEEqf+/iNAGryIwsktgq5HxA5g oJNPq+xvgr+Om2dtYcac5UH1UqQ9hkgl9+4LNpu8o9/AstKlBFo/CME9EbNnFytJi+EH AlgQ== Received: by 10.205.134.137 with SMTP id ic9mr7847073bkc.57.1344439331032; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([199.246.39.165]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m9sm10523190bkm.10.2012.08.08.08.22.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5022841F.6090909@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:22:07 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120808-0, 08/08/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:22:16 -0000 Support. It's time a decision was made. On 07/08/2012 6:02 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > Regards > Suresh & Yong > > * Questions are available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > From raghuramgangi@gmail.com Wed Aug 8 09:28:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0519E21F873B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:28:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T9M0cOg43+88 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F247521F86DA for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by weyu54 with SMTP id u54so702152wey.31 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XQ8fbTfcznh0ny65XcZE2HNYLbMwH6nFOUpfCxMMU8Q=; b=Y9muuyy+LagAKzhgZQJ5sx9wj3NgoqWDrCZTTAyW4Mr2d8Jqg6qr9C+lMj9viugUj6 U24/mnvBw/lXEbzp8VH+St1tnqC10KnGJJr4WIjDg0ot+axtM/QFsrdZufW3NAEY4aUf L3fmttfhmIFUW9mfbJWT6R2bmidbak5VnVGsXCTu7mJLVEhZp3IA/jZ4wM0BFQ0/dvJ7 P8GdUn+QS4JaoNMvcQBEThz33xgPsTnIbsVvU2MJd7hpQ3tJqq0klib/2KJZjTdFMYJo maudWk2YX1d2vGYQL3QCEmbItqikYRfoLgxhBLyf1RMLPOjXTjBbYxWWy9ShJQ+3PSLY RERg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.233.95 with SMTP id o73mr10328603weq.59.1344443330783; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.89.102 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:28:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Raghu Ram To: softwires@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4841a26eaac04c6c39bca Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:28:53 -0000 --000e0cd4841a26eaac04c6c39bca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, I also support MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. Thanks Raghu On 07/08/2012 6:02 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > Regards > Suresh & Yong > > * Questions are available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > --000e0cd4841a26eaac04c6c39bca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,

I also support MAP= -E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution.

Thanks
Raghu

On 07/08/2012 6:02 = PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote:
> Hi all,
> =A0 =A0During the softwire WG m= eeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to
> determine the preferred solutio= n in the meeting room indicated that the
> sense of the room was in favor = of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed
> standard stateless solution.
>
> This call is being initiated to= confirm whether there is WG consensus
> towards the selection of MAP-E = as the basis for the proposed standard
> stateless solution. Please stat= e whether or not you're in favor of this
> selection by replying to this e= mail. If you are not in favor, please
> also (re)state your objections = in your response. The call will complete
> at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21.<= /span>
>
> Regards
> Suresh & Yong
>
> * Questions are available at
>
>=A0http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slide= s/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf
>
>
> ______________________________<= /span>_________________
> Softwires mailing list >=A0Softwires@ietf.org >=A0https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
>
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[128.107.239.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tv6sm10312796pbc.24.2012.08.08.10.10.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mark Townsley In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:10:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7807E55A-AE79-4104-A443-BA6C4E3A93CF@townsley.net> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> To: Suresh Krishnan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnQbFtV7CpdtXoT7dXPuWiNNOZDH0L8k3Nz/CFuBLs1rc/FCED+vqrdIJv70QPhnQfwJos6 Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:10:34 -0000 In favor. - Mark On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > Regards > Suresh & Yong > > * Questions are available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From shtsuchi@cisco.com Wed Aug 8 13:43:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC17D21F86D7 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:43:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lqQ7L-N2nII7 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bgl-iport-2.cisco.com (bgl-iport-2.cisco.com [72.163.197.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395F121F8616 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:43:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=shtsuchi@cisco.com; l=1531; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1344458600; x=1345668200; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JeeiWpH02oXml1CQv/+eUrSC+a8RkF+20cRycJkLxwk=; b=kXPuQK7RB/ssVSSpYCSLixuTYuzuU/HdRlUfjRuCAa8dmrBbWTx1uZHg N8cbhFSv/DfeHDAES/q2kTTY7l0zsJFjfGuJFAeU7QP1sTRRM084+Uieh iwcZFzNya7HuMBJr4E1bbyBK6qdHf8IOjvhu4Sj1RYsxbm20mYLWxl2/f 8=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,734,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="15861707" Received: from vla196-nat.cisco.com (HELO bgl-core-3.cisco.com) ([72.163.197.24]) by bgl-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2012 20:43:17 +0000 Received: from [10.71.44.91] (tky-shtsuchi-89110.cisco.com [10.71.44.91]) by bgl-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q78KhGTT016144; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 20:43:17 GMT Message-ID: <5022CF62.5020501@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 05:43:14 +0900 From: Shishio Tsuchiya User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:43:22 -0000 Chairs, I really appreciate your great chairing in IETF84. I support *MAP-E* as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. As you might know,Japan already has nation wide IPv6 service. Operators has interesting in softwire wg decision for stateless IPv4 over IPv6. Many Japanese vendors already supported draft-murakami-softwire-4rd. It is convenient for JAPAN,if MAP-E(encapsulation solution) would be selected as the standard technology. We can move forward easily. Regards, -Shishio (2012/08/08 7:02), Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > Regards > Suresh & Yong > > * Questions are available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > From jiangsheng@huawei.com Wed Aug 8 16:37:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7621821F85D1 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:37:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.351, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y4Gq-8ZJNaLf for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D201721F85CE for ; 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Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.062 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.062 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.169, BAYES_00=-2.599, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i2TJ7-7NG25B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cable.comcast.com (copdcavout01.cable.comcast.com [76.96.32.253]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DC711E8087 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.56.114]) by copdcavout01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id C7WM3M1.28603919; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:53:06 -0600 Received: from PACDCEXMB05.cable.comcast.com ([169.254.7.115]) by PACDCEXHUB01.cable.comcast.com ([fe80::84e8:95f3:f13b:169e%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:12:38 -0400 From: "Lee, Yiu" To: Suresh Krishnan , Softwires WG Thread-Topic: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution Thread-Index: AQHNdcwRU9wz0vUuOkGYWAEwi9eBmw== Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 01:12:38 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 x-originating-ip: [24.40.55.70] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3427305157_18000182" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 01:12:45 -0000 --B_3427305157_18000182 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I support to standardize MAP-E as the stateless solution. Let's move forward. Thanks for both chairs and Ralph to shepherd the discussion. On 8/7/12 6:02 PM, "Suresh Krishnan" wrote: >Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to >determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the >sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed >standard stateless solution. > >This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus >towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard >stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this >selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please >also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete >at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > >Regards >Suresh & Yong > >* Questions are available at > >http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > >_______________________________________________ >Softwires mailing list >Softwires@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires --B_3427305157_18000182 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIIVlwYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIViDCCFYQCAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC EzAwggUzMIIEG6ADAgECAhBTm5vcGTrcIPdnvVTe3rDkMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIGTMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJHQjEbMBkGA1UECBMSR3JlYXRlciBNYW5jaGVzdGVyMRAwDgYDVQQHEwdTYWxm b3JkMRowGAYDVQQKExFDT01PRE8gQ0EgTGltaXRlZDE5MDcGA1UEAxMwQ09NT0RPIENsaWVu dCBBdXRoZW50aWNhdGlvbiBhbmQgU2VjdXJlIEVtYWlsIENBMB4XDTEyMDIxNDAwMDAwMFoX DTEzMDIxMzIzNTk1OVowKjEoMCYGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYZeWl1X2xlZUBjYWJsZS5jb21jYXN0 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10 Aug 2012 17:12:48 +0800 From: "Liubing (Leo)" To: Suresh Krishnan , Softwires WG Thread-Topic: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution Thread-Index: AQHNdOhg2WXnWF/VCE+ciR868N0aVZdSxCOQ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:12:48 +0000 Message-ID: <8AE0F17B87264D4CAC7DE0AA6C406F452932DF7C@szxeml509-mbs> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.99.42] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:15:52 -0000 +1 A remarkable decision case in IETF. -----Original Message----- From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Beh= alf Of Suresh Krishnan Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:02 AM To: Softwires WG Subject: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basi= s for the proposed standard stateless solution Hi all, During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. Regards Suresh & Yong * Questions are available at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From ian.farrer@telekom.de Fri Aug 10 08:31:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DF921F8607 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:31:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IbWHB2aRLYpm for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail73.telekom.de (tcmail73.telekom.de [217.243.239.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C5921F84D8 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from he110889.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.92.130]) by tcmail71.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 10 Aug 2012 17:30:43 +0200 Received: from HE111643.EMEA1.CDS.T-INTERNAL.COM ([10.134.93.12]) by HE110889.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::841f:f92c:15ca:8526%16]) with mapi; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:30:22 +0200 From: To: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:30:20 +0200 Thread-Topic: Softwires Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4 Thread-Index: Ac13DQ4+EcrBlLk3QwuVrSg/8Mj5KA== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 acceptlanguage: en-US, de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Softwires Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:31:06 -0000 Hi, I support the selection of MAP-E for the stateless solution. Thanks for moving this forward. Ian -----Original Message----- From: softwires-bounces at ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces at ietf.org] On Behalf Of Suresh Krishnan Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:02 AM To: Softwires WG Subject: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution > >Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to >determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the >sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed >standard stateless solution. > >This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus >towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard >stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this >selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please >also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete >at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > >Regards >Suresh & Yong > >* Questions are available at > >http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Tue Aug 14 09:25:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2436E21F869F for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:25:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4k1KnvGtQMia for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB3B21F867D for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yhq56 with SMTP id 56so716408yhq.31 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:25:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ypG+OkS9dRaJRM28/F3tw99tJ0ZwW0Wqk8LOXSWCoj4=; b=ZzBZfkXB8wzxnP5WWzgY8N16q5m9vZmL9kUod9POBS4+pbWexWghdA6Oi37akbG7kn xgFLKd4CoDzfTRDGCaugXRFVPWrNI2SE6gMfEhDpAiUDxkiLG2VIvaNr98vMWuwB6vn+ Qv5YPmCaM7pfmc0xvj1DlfwlpLhXiLpQ4yGsKEDkZmw/4Vdosc0VNN7qLxcOkgmMTUWP UbSFKjn9DwpKbz6t0MHs+uNBswQxVydhuI7CCCXO4zVuAXXyJ4rhon7L+WpQn6cbI3Oh dBCBJqAuDlCxLIc4eJhbQRaKCw0GO05SQ214BIqq5v0uPzNCJ/1l1O8upSuPyhl5gYhW 8W5A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.187.228 with SMTP id fv4mr10219484igc.37.1344961513949; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.55.70 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 09:25:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:25:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: "Lee, Yiu" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:25:17 -0000 On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Lee, Yiu wrote: > I support to standardize MAP-E as the stateless solution. Let's move > forward. Thanks for both chairs and Ralph to shepherd the discussion. > +1 Encapsulation is the way to go. Yuppi. Just like DS-Lite :-). Behcet > On 8/7/12 6:02 PM, "Suresh Krishnan" wrote: > >>Hi all, >> During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to >>determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the >>sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed >>standard stateless solution. >> >>This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus >>towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard >>stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this >>selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please >>also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete >>at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. >> >>Regards >>Suresh & Yong >> >>* Questions are available at >> >>http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Softwires mailing list >>Softwires@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > From phdgang@gmail.com Wed Aug 15 03:28:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B645821F8712 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:28:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.152 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.152 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.447, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SvDIu5rGyRNY for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FBA21F8726 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so1553277vcb.31 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:28:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ka728WP+eAbZZQxoDzr98mydWjOx0KG7ppTVv5ZXZAo=; b=Xclov3FqjY+jz4k1VsygTpAD/fggKUAB6nePxya4C/9dkvmW5dOOVN8wn04P/L4bd0 GwC4LbPcQ2PTyT39mYMfEloYwmpRiQLwf6+5WfHsyjYslxK8ETqucwfGFiRLW1y3CBCc W2UAaO4fHX5o+PqC+sSHKrpYSwCe8WfaBWtyanjAUO3OKaG+Zsej0H4f+QuAq/EzdRo4 XruS19QHn0FwDu9Tg0R3cZB7HqehDzzXdQpfutUfMgJrmzWqI3GobC4bJmX5nUu35DKP i8hrfNb7/kOPPgVo81GVf/m0NlEc4TFuNK30uJ3l2+h6pgJTJLrQfFcXzkByy+eXv7g4 IQew== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.33.234 with SMTP id u10mr12069436vei.49.1345026495237; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.165.67 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:28:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:28:14 +0800 Message-ID: From: GangChen To: Suresh Krishnan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:28:16 -0000 Hello Chairs, I support the outcome from Vancouver meeting to choose MAP-E as the basis. It's a fair decision after half-year of discussions. Many thanks for the guidance of the chairs and ADs. BRs Gang 2012/8/8, Suresh Krishnan : > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > Regards > Suresh & Yong > > * Questions are available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > From pengwu.thu@gmail.com Wed Aug 15 05:49:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2587021F8813 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:49:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v+45lu48AOlM for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1BC21F881D for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so1662386vbb.31 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:49:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MxVtpedWKinXdU7UL6zVC1s+lZZAFFyNL72SZEDOW08=; b=Yvzav70BHtcZt7S/evI+UiDTeJY42k8u0PppDTHxna0VTMBc0YtXiNS/XwqU3GkkwC t56jwezSgq0+4lehNrx4yz1RXHW/KfrBMihOhyBpXWGghUa8b3taUDAIdTKYBjC/A9bS BqW5W2b98wPacGTiOfMOBFUEaar1j8ysT1Ub1qBoSUpll2A5XjcWsSJMx5gcQm053Awh G7RVAqB2cWFAxUzrco11q/k7qRYGzAeJZmQvVZjl8wJu5lN5PhmTMGAdFE/EqiPPWyI7 HuWwTvSV7AguHFxS6v87zPYp/vyyJB/DEQyvfTP+7DxgUmv3qjbjYUNIoQrYB6fDUB7A I+HA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.225.194 with SMTP id it2mr12871523vcb.32.1345034976705; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.55.136 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:49:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:49:36 +0800 Message-ID: From: Peng Wu To: Softwires WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:49:39 -0000 Dear Chairs, I support MAP-E as the basis, and -T & 4rd as experimental/informational. Let's move forward. Thanks for the joyful experience in Vancouver meeting. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > Regards > Suresh & Yong > > * Questions are available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From sunqi.csnet.thu@gmail.com Wed Aug 15 05:50:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153EA21F87D2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:50:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TKxYv09GjYts for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9242421F85E7 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dakr19 with SMTP id r19so175398dak.31 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:50:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=v/8mE4J4MlGQfLku1Kv5X6eRyjBbeEkhtliMBJqhqrU=; b=TO7MitNrxAKEPzt3s17arkxF8/wybHI9kzyzUenTADbecQVOsSBA6LtCWI8OxFXskq vzgkL+3mHBdwy0PQKZk8RKR/aq9owkKihKIWhX58upCmK92JK9p5FFHiwf2B8Aq7oSvH MXfSC9FRxnpQ/X6Ax4d2qyShmFlPOxR95mpzFE8wefMSYGpvZ4zffpUwyTNQcPr7UEg4 oyZEDg+HaLLCg2N1wr+2CK+9ibWZ9E+KjwXbdiYLWp1rvSvXDpB1U2vmE0T8ZqliSNNt XmfJ/T0VXDxzpgwsO1EpCzf1FCyDun+Hks1lfNnaCYkZjZokv3nSFnNoRUhq0jmcjFUv MiHQ== Received: by 10.66.85.201 with SMTP id j9mr24407081paz.40.1345035021035; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([112.237.34.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pn4sm552705pbb.50.2012.08.15.05.50.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 From: sunqi In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:50:07 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> To: Suresh Krishnan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:50:22 -0000 Hi , dear chairs, I would like to see the stateless solutions moving forward with = MAP-E on the standard track and keep it focusing on mesh scenarios. Many thanks for the great guidance of our chairs and ADs. Thanks, Qi Sun =D4=DA 2012-8-8=A3=AC=C9=CF=CE=E76:02=A3=AC Suresh Krishnan =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3= =BA > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that = the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. >=20 > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of = this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will = complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. >=20 > Regards > Suresh & Yong >=20 > * Questions are available at >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From bingxuere@gmail.com Wed Aug 15 06:05:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9192521F8826 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:05:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.425 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.425 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.173, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QY-SvdS81hGq for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A5921F8576 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yenm5 with SMTP id m5so1882553yen.31 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:05:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=jEEajpi753j2dXWOPFqKeqger2/n4hEUzrVzz6SxQJo=; b=oRAv+O5kjXLyc1L1IwDP4R0qEPNevWDAPECONZiAp/2YANDTf2omwJySVoY1YpPEcx VSpkpDeur1qRIDQ4HK266zy3XGFx9HaasF/eyHG/aMh/HEI8Lj6Fa/vX7NrrGeJb9csX lccbX8d0+w3V2Vrcx82IvSa7+dWLP63vHbfPWybhSiPWBBPLGf7j6j3fMSNuAGl97PUB mkl7zM6+SgsxOonyVenZMc935zY82daTrfBPqGIL6JyQze4IAW+8q7YNU1lzcBzUeS/S iV5d80u56AXrGTgwPLnCyAhZMJQNsPXM/o0cgsTDW7wiN+fPvZzihf0wpFlg+JPHZCD/ pE8Q== Received: by 10.50.213.106 with SMTP id nr10mr18053636igc.58.1345035918832; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:05:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.38.101 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> From: Qiong Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:04:38 +0800 Message-ID: To: Suresh Krishnan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934053926f5c104c74d9432 Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:05:22 -0000 --14dae934053926f5c104c74d9432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Chairs, Support to move forward with MAP-E as a basis stateless solution. It is a remarkable milestone in Vancouver meeting to end the long time arguement over the past two years. Best wishes Qiong On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Suresh Krishnan < suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > Regards > Suresh & Yong > > * Questions are available at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > -- ============================================== Qiong Sun China Telecom Beijing Research Institude Open source code: lightweight 4over6: *http://sourceforge.net/projects/laft6/* PCP-natcoord:* http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcpportsetdemo/ * =============================================== --14dae934053926f5c104c74d9432 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chairs,

Support to move forward with MAP-E as a basis stateless s= olution. It is a remarkable milestone in Vancouver meeting to end the long = time arguement over the past two years.

Best wishes
Qiong


On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Suresh Krish= nan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi all,
=C2=A0 During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the
sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed
standard stateless solution.

This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus
towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard
stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this=
selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please
also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete
at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21.

Regards
Suresh & Yong

* Questions are available at

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-= softwire-15.pdf


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Open source code:
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PCP-natcoord: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcpportsetdemo/
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charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2012/8/16 Leaf yeh > Qi Sun - I would like ...MAP-E on the standard track and keep it focusing > on mesh scenarios. > > MAP sounds native in mesh mode, because CE got the public ipv4 address, > its port set, and the mapping between IPv4 (A+P) and the accessible IPv6 > prefix, but why can't we make it support hub-and-spoke? > same view. some operator would like to deploy things only with hub&spokes mode, it is fine. but for those who want to have mesh and hub&spokes simultaneously, there is no reason that we need two solutions especially when MAP has supported both. there is no need to limit MAP's scope with "focusing on mesh". in a service architecture that i am designing for one of my company's product, i have had the very concrete requirement on both mesh and hub&spokes. - maoke > > > Best Regards, > Leaf > > > -----Original Message----- > From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of sunqi > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:50 PM > To: Suresh Krishnan > Cc: Softwires WG > Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as th= e > basis for the proposed standard stateless solution > > > Hi , dear chairs, > > I would like to see the stateless solutions moving forward with > MAP-E on the standard track and keep it focusing on mesh scenarios. > > Many thanks for the great guidance of our chairs and ADs. > > > > Thanks, > > Qi Sun > > > =D4=DA 2012-8-8=A3=AC=C9=CF=CE=E76:02=A3=AC Suresh Krishnan =D0=B4=B5=C0= =A3=BA > > > Hi all, > > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > > standard stateless solution. > > > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > > > Regards > > Suresh & Yong > > > > * Questions are available at > > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Softwires mailing list > > Softwires@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > --047d7b622538ad106404c75ae471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2012/8/16 Leaf yeh <= ;leaf.y.yeh@huaw= ei.com>
Qi Sun - I would like ...MAP-E on the standard track and keep it focusing o= n mesh scenarios.

MAP sounds native in mesh mode, because CE got the public ipv4 address, its= port set, and the mapping between IPv4 (A+P) and the accessible IPv6 prefi= x, but why can't we make it support hub-and-spoke?

same view. some operator would like to deploy things on= ly with hub&spokes mode, it is fine. but for those who want to have mes= h and hub&spokes simultaneously, there is no reason that we need two so= lutions especially when MAP has supported both. there is no need to limit M= AP's scope with "focusing on mesh". 

in a service architecture that i am designing for one o= f my company's product, i have had the very concrete requirement on bot= h mesh and hub&spokes. 

- maoke
 


Best Regards,
Leaf


-----Original Message-----
From: softw= ires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of sunqi Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:50 PM
To: Suresh Krishnan
Cc: Softwires WG
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the = basis for the proposed standard stateless solution


Hi , dear chairs,

       I would like to see the stateless solutions movi= ng forward with MAP-E on the standard track and keep it focusing on mesh sc= enarios.

      Many thanks for the great guidance of our chairs and A= Ds.



Thanks,

Qi Sun


=D4=DA 2012-8-8=A3=AC=C9=CF=CE=E76:02=A3=AC Suresh Krishnan =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3= =BA

> Hi all,
>  During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* = to
> determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that th= e
> sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed<= br> > standard stateless solution.
>
> This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus<= br> > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard<= br> > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of= this
> selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complet= e
> at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21.
>
> Regards
> Suresh & Yong
>
> * Questions are available at
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slide= s-84-softwire-15.pdf
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--047d7b622538ad106404c75ae471-- From simon.perreault@viagenie.ca Thu Aug 16 06:19:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281A521F85E7 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:19:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.548, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_36=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ubzwKef3G0bM for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962A921F85E3 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from porto.nomis80.org (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:68a5:3635:1020:db96]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C187F414B4 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:19:01 -0400 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120717 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwires@ietf.org References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 13:19:03 -0000 Le 2012-08-16 00:58, Maoke a écrit : > same view. some operator would like to deploy things only with > hub&spokes mode, it is fine. but for those who want to have mesh and > hub&spokes simultaneously, there is no reason that we need two solutions > especially when MAP has supported both. there is no need to limit MAP's > scope with "focusing on mesh". The elephant in the room is that a provider that only needs hub-and-spoke doesn't want to pay for the needless (subjectively) complexity of MAP. Here's an idea: a restricted "profile" of MAP-E that would only allow hub-and-spoke, described in a separate RFC, would look exactly like LW4o6, right? And it could be implemented stand-alone, without all the mesh code. And it could be listed on an RFP. Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca From sunqi.csnet.thu@gmail.com Thu Aug 16 19:39:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310BF21F84D1 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:39:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_36=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KzxsWUIbUU16 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C86821F84C4 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so2574539pbb.31 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:39:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=EEGCrXNzQzTW2CbtALkp3Cct+6rqcVUfwBYNKHon4Eo=; b=erMyrIof28IeoGJaz7+wKbw7QA6f9WIl5TKwqo/7O/XIyCleBaw+GrfemHG8U5QjLg KVaE7G91zszF5xoXVrfCI9EAdZL2e/8s0vguJws9oqUK2h4Kg/f5sm3z3gXx7JVbxusD PqF3Xo/jl5jY9RaJI1TYzlePHvr+k7JIRpc53W+65Ohd5kzAH53+fXS/D8m2fK+kfTP3 oTEGyz14dIFQ6e0OKRcIiQt4f677lymUiUNRPVEOtFLULm+IR4v81DWLGfNv52LN8iUe zmZVCgBfhJR5MGe6QcAaKpTjP/J0q9v/kSlZKsRrPt7AMO2Irg9B2N6mQ/1X3/BQLlGY jzag== Received: by 10.66.79.195 with SMTP id l3mr6253793pax.33.1345171198049; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([123.130.137.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ty1sm794677pbc.76.2012.08.16.19.39.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: sunqi In-Reply-To: <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:39:52 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8B00DBAF-54FD-473B-9288-CEECFC1ADC21@gmail.com> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> To: Simon Perreault X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:39:59 -0000 On 2012-8-16, at =E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=889:19, Simon Perreault wrote: > Le 2012-08-16 00:58, Maoke a =C3=A9crit : >> same view. some operator would like to deploy things only with >> hub&spokes mode, it is fine. but for those who want to have mesh and >> hub&spokes simultaneously, there is no reason that we need two = solutions >> especially when MAP has supported both. there is no need to limit = MAP's >> scope with "focusing on mesh". >=20 > The elephant in the room is that a provider that only needs = hub-and-spoke doesn't want to pay for the needless (subjectively) = complexity of MAP. [Qi] Agreed. >=20 > Here's an idea: a restricted "profile" of MAP-E that would only allow = hub-and-spoke, described in a separate RFC, would look exactly like = LW4o6, right? And it could be implemented stand-alone, without all the = mesh code. And it could be listed on an RFP. [Qi] IMHO, with MAP-E sticking to the native MAP algorithm, that it = achieves stateless at the cost of 4-6 coupling and makes full use of MAP = rules, MAP-E will not be that like LW4o6. LW4o6 is a per-subscriber = stateful solution. Am i right? Thanks! Qi >=20 > Simon > --=20 > DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca > NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca > STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Fri Aug 17 14:27:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7488421E805F for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8aHhllSIyuGH for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE0121E8045 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q7HLS90K028259 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:28:12 -0500 Received: from [142.133.112.80] (147.117.20.214) by smtps-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.20.178) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.1; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:27:26 -0400 Message-ID: <502EB72F.9080602@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:27:11 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Softwires WG X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Softwires] Minutes from IETF 84 available X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:27:35 -0000 Hi all, The minutes from the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 are available on the proceedings site. Thanks to Ole Troan for taking the minutes. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/minutes/minutes-84-softwire.txt If there are any inaccuracies or omissions in the minutes, please let us know by Friday August 31, 2012. Thanks Suresh & Yong From xing@cernet.edu.cn Mon Aug 20 20:31:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1826E11E80BF for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VoTuL8BZLEkn for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cernet.edu.cn (sea.net.edu.cn [202.112.39.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDF011E80AE for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [59.66.24.249]) by centos (Coremail) with SMTP id AQAAf3DLAASc_zJQLCAMAA--.35648S5; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:25:16 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <503300ED.7030706@cernet.edu.cn> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:30:53 +0800 From: Xing Li User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CM-TRANSID: AQAAf3DLAASc_zJQLCAMAA--.35648S5 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1UD129KBjvdXoW7JF4UAry3tFyfZrW3ZrWDurg_yoWDuFX_uF WfKryrAw1UAFsrtr4FyryqywnxCFWUGry5JrWDtr1av34Yyrs7trs8Jry3Wr17W34xJr9x Gr1xKa4Fka4xujkaLaAFLSUrUUUUUb8apTn2vfkv8UJUUUU8Yxn0WfASr-VFAUDa7-sFnT 9fnUUIcSsGvfJTRUUUbnAYjsxI4VWxJwAYFVCjjxCrM7AC8VAFwI0_Gr0_Xr1l1xkIjI8I 6I8E6xAIw20EY4v20xvaj40_Wr0E3s1l1IIY67AEw4v_Jr0_Jr4l8cAvFVAK0II2c7xJM2 8EF7xvwVC0I7IYx2IY67AKxVW8JVW5JwA2z4x0Y4vE2Ix0cI8IcVCY1x0267AKxVW8JVWx JwA2z4x0Y4vEx4A2jsIE14v26r4UJVWxJr1l84ACjcxK6I8E87Iv6xkF7I0E14v26r4UJV WxJr1le2I262IYc4CY6c8Ij28IcVAaY2xG8wAqx4xG64xvF2IEw4CE5I8CrVC2j2WlYx0E 2Ix0cI8IcVAFwI0_Jrv_JF1lYx0Ex4A2jsIE14v26r1j6r4UMcvjeVCFs4IE7xkEbVWUJV W8JwACjcxG0xvEwIxGrwCY02Avz4vE14v_Gr4l42xK82IYc2Ij64vIr41lx2IqxVAqx4xG 67AKxVWUJVWUGwC20s026x8GjcxK67AKxVWUGVWUWwC2zVAF1VAY17CE14v26r1Y6r17MI IYrxkI7VAKI48JMIIF0xvE2Ix0cI8IcVAFwI0_Jr0_JF4lIxAIcVC0I7IYx2IY6xkF7I0E 14v26r1j6r4UMIIF0xvE42xK8VAvwI8IcIk0rVW8JVW3JwCI42IY6I8E87Iv67AKxVW8JV WxJwCI42IY6I8E87Iv6xkF7I0E14v26r4j6r4UJbIYCTnIWIevJa73UjIFyTuYvjxUcQJ5 DUUUU X-CM-SenderInfo: p0lqwqxfhu0vvwohv3gofq/ Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:31:00 -0000 I support MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. xing Suresh Krishnan 写é“: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. 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Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:10:00 -0700 Received: from SZXEML510-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.119]) by SZXEML432-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.72.61.60]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:09:56 +0800 From: Leaf yeh To: Softwires WG Thread-Topic: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution Thread-Index: AQHNdYjMgP26SqI+2E6ZNnQ79qkoNZdj28RQ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:09:56 +0000 Message-ID: References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> <7807E55A-AE79-4104-A443-BA6C4E3A93CF@townsley.net> In-Reply-To: <7807E55A-AE79-4104-A443-BA6C4E3A93CF@townsley.net> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.83.152] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:13:05 -0000 + 1 Best Regards, Leaf -----Original Message----- From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Beh= alf Of Mark Townsley Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:10 AM To: Suresh Krishnan Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the = basis for the proposed standard stateless solution In favor.=20 - Mark On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi all, > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > standard stateless solution. >=20 > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. >=20 > Regards > Suresh & Yong >=20 > * Questions are available at >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From stig@venaas.com Wed Aug 22 10:39:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7BA21F8600 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:39:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.103, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TDpWZrCZ6fhL for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FB321F8606 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:420:301:1004:9c83:edff:c219:5a36] (unknown [IPv6:2001:420:301:1004:9c83:edff:c219:5a36]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 35A9F7FC3; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:39:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50351935.3090602@venaas.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:39:01 -0700 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com References: <060.03db91f96d17fb6834f0bc0ce34fe6b1@tools.ietf.org> <075.791032c8f7af939e50f982ec7f6190e2@tools.ietf.org> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E4A17E625@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <5012C1E6.8090005@venaas.com> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E4A17E801@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E4A17E801@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" , softwire issue tracker , "draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Softwires] [softwire] #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:39:09 -0000 On 7/30/2012 12:06 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: > Hi Stig, > > Wouldn't be sufficient enough to add this sentence to the abstract and the Introduction: > > "The proposed solution can be deployed for other 4-6-4 use cases." Sorry for a late reply. I feel that you need to change more. Here are my suggestions. The title is "Multicast Extensions to DS-Lite Technique in Broadband Deployments". Could it be changed to something like "Delivery of IPv4 multicast services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network". Make the abstract something like: This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 multicast services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for for the delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced customers. In the Introduction, add a paragraph in front of the current 1st paragraph. Something like This document specifies a generic solution for delivery of IPv4 multicast services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The solution was developed with DS-Lite in mind, and we will discuss that below. The solution is however not limited to DS-Lite. Section 3, change beginning of the section to something like: This document focuses only subscription to an IPv4 multicast group and the delivery of IPv4-formatted content to IPv4 receivers over an IPv6-only network. In particular, only the following case is covered: Section 4, maybe change first paragraph to this: In the original DS-Lite specification [RFC6333], an IPv4-in-IPv6 tunnel is used to carry bidirectional IPv4 unicast traffic between a B4 and an AFTR. The solution specified in this document provides an IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme to deliver unidirectional IPv4 multicast traffic from an mAFTR to an mB4. Stig > Thanks. > > Cheers, > Med > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Stig Venaas [mailto:stig@venaas.com] >> Envoyé : vendredi 27 juillet 2012 18:29 >> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP >> Cc : softwire issue tracker; >> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@tools.ietf.org; >> sarikaya@ieee.org; softwires@ietf.org >> Objet : Re: [Softwires] [softwire] #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite >> >> Hi >> >> On 7/27/2012 4:48 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I really don't understand this issue. >>> It is even misplaced to have this comment at this stage, >> since this is a document which has been adopted by the WG and >> the solution it specifies is the same as the one reviewed by >> the WG prior to its adoption (i.e., since April 2011). >>> >>> Anyway, below a tentative to explain the overall rationale: >>> >>> DS-Lite model can not be reduced to a CGN/AFTR + tunnel. >> DS-Lite should be first seen as an IP connectivity service. >> This service can be defined as follows: >>> >>> * delivery of IPv4 connectivity over an IPv6-capable network. >>> * delivery of native IPv6 connectivity >>> * DS-Lite serviced customers are assigned with IPv6 prefix >> and no IPv4 address. >>> >>> The unicast portion of the service is defined in RFC6333 and >> is implemented using a tunnel + CGN. >>> >>> The multicast portion of the service is defined in >> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast. This portion of the >> service can be defined as follows: >>> >>> * delivery of IPv4 multicast content using native IPv6 >> multicast capabilities >>> * delivery of native IPv6 multicast content >>> >>> The solution proposed in >> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast is designed to allow >> DS-Lite serviced customers be delivered IPv4 multicast services. >> >> I think I agree with the above. >> >>> A side note, I agree with Stig and Woj the proposed solution >> can be generalized to cover any 4-6-4 scenario. This can be >> done easily by updating the draft (abstract and introduction) >> to reflect the change of scope of use cases. We didn't had the >> ambition to define a generic solution when we wrote this >> draft, we focused mainly on the DS-Lite context. If there is >> no objection from the WG, we can implement that change. >> >> This is all I've been asking for. An update to abstract/introduction to >> indicate that it is a generic solution. And then say that >> DS-Lite is one >> of the use-cases. You can even say that the solution was developed to >> solve the problem for DS-Lite. All I want is to make it clear >> that it is >> a generic solution. >> >> Stig >> >>> Cheers, >>> Med >>> >>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>> De : softwire issue tracker [mailto:trac+softwire@tools.ietf.org] >>>> Envoyé : vendredi 13 juillet 2012 23:55 >>>> À : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@tools.ietf.org; >>>> sarikaya@ieee.org >>>> Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>>> Objet : Re: [softwire] #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite >>>> >>>> #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite >>>> >>>> Changes (by sarikaya@.): >>>> >>>> * owner: sarikaya@. => draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -------------------------+------------------------------------- >>>> ------------ >>>> Reporter: sarikaya@. | Owner: draft-ietf-softwire-dslite- >>>> Type: defect | multicast@. >>>> Priority: major | Status: new >>>> Component: dslite- | Milestone: milestone1 >>>> multicast | Version: 2.0 >>>> Severity: In WG Last | Resolution: >>>> Call | >>>> Keywords: tunneling | >>>> -------------------------+------------------------------------- >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Ticket URL: >>>> >>>> softwire >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Softwires mailing list >>> Softwires@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>> >> >> > From jacni@jacni.com Wed Aug 22 21:19:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6F711E808D for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:19:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.949, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4KUOWiRR+9Y for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2681511E808A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so564134pbb.31 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:19:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Q+YtiOsFYPv+RtBGjp2zphjhwSuzDzwl03qnVMXuVmU=; b=isrNT2S1gx6cKQAUiHPsLWpEAoxfxSwQig+IhtcqZ4YATdgU9L6JEnqEmmyvoNWmbK sdzuimH6uL298Zq1+tA0EB4DWL8DasBGNbUyzOLQvO2NEzJ11WfkoPV/DgewT+LBe+8d r981+0SzarKZtP11tuRB/y1MgYUnmYuzmUu/W2wcJnwOU2THUfOb/39XNkbKRd9qd0bu QytFgK5bsY8vnsiWAAh6l+F3RZj+5EJ3nvXfnenK52OzBXfpqVVlvNvSRBOpfkn2/doJ KdJvJMA7uUnWQQjkLSDGxrKActrczkWzUACp85oXkbNeaM1yTlPsAD2XtvBEi7iBkc9h 1exQ== Received: by 10.68.134.97 with SMTP id pj1mr1368137pbb.55.1345695591385; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.140.16.196] (64-104-125-217.cisco.com. [64.104.125.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pk9sm5132082pbb.4.2012.08.22.21.19.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5035AF5E.4010409@jacni.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:19:42 +0800 From: Jacni Qin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stig Venaas References: <060.03db91f96d17fb6834f0bc0ce34fe6b1@tools.ietf.org> <075.791032c8f7af939e50f982ec7f6190e2@tools.ietf.org> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E4A17E625@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <5012C1E6.8090005@venaas.com> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E4A17E801@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <50351935.3090602@venaas.com> In-Reply-To: <50351935.3090602@venaas.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020906020401000407030307" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl5NLT1oiA3/Wqt7Qr6W8lgrzFhOOVDjZ3CS8S3FViWbe3LtK/NBJKt+aHVxqKPGgCNjsjc Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" , softwire issue tracker , "draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Softwires] [softwire] #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:19:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020906020401000407030307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Stig, Thanks a lot for the comments and the proposed text, we'll consider that. Cheers, Jacni On 8/23/2012 Thursday 1:39 AM, Stig Venaas wrote: > On 7/30/2012 12:06 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >> Hi Stig, >> >> Wouldn't be sufficient enough to add this sentence to the abstract >> and the Introduction: >> >> "The proposed solution can be deployed for other 4-6-4 use cases." > > Sorry for a late reply. I feel that you need to change more. Here are > my suggestions. > > The title is "Multicast Extensions to DS-Lite Technique in Broadband > Deployments". Could it be changed to something like > > "Delivery of IPv4 multicast services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 > multicast network". > > Make the abstract something like: > > This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 multicast > services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The solution > relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme and uses the > IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 multicast traffic. The > solution is particularly useful for for the delivery of multicast > service offerings to DS-Lite serviced customers. > > In the Introduction, add a paragraph in front of the current 1st > paragraph. > > Something like > > This document specifies a generic solution for delivery of IPv4 > multicast services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The > solution was developed with DS-Lite in mind, and we will discuss that > below. The solution is however not limited to DS-Lite. > > Section 3, change beginning of the section to something like: > > This document focuses only subscription to an IPv4 multicast group and > the delivery of IPv4-formatted content to IPv4 receivers over an > IPv6-only network. In particular, only the following case is covered: > > Section 4, maybe change first paragraph to this: > > In the original DS-Lite specification [RFC6333], an IPv4-in-IPv6 > tunnel is used to carry bidirectional IPv4 unicast traffic between a > B4 and an AFTR. The solution specified in this document provides an > IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme to deliver unidirectional IPv4 > multicast traffic from an mAFTR to an mB4. > > Stig > >> Thanks. >> >> Cheers, >> Med >> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : Stig Venaas [mailto:stig@venaas.com] >>> Envoyé : vendredi 27 juillet 2012 18:29 >>> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP >>> Cc : softwire issue tracker; >>> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@tools.ietf.org; >>> sarikaya@ieee.org; softwires@ietf.org >>> Objet : Re: [Softwires] [softwire] #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> On 7/27/2012 4:48 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I really don't understand this issue. >>>> It is even misplaced to have this comment at this stage, >>> since this is a document which has been adopted by the WG and >>> the solution it specifies is the same as the one reviewed by >>> the WG prior to its adoption (i.e., since April 2011). >>>> >>>> Anyway, below a tentative to explain the overall rationale: >>>> >>>> DS-Lite model can not be reduced to a CGN/AFTR + tunnel. >>> DS-Lite should be first seen as an IP connectivity service. >>> This service can be defined as follows: >>>> >>>> * delivery of IPv4 connectivity over an IPv6-capable network. >>>> * delivery of native IPv6 connectivity >>>> * DS-Lite serviced customers are assigned with IPv6 prefix >>> and no IPv4 address. >>>> >>>> The unicast portion of the service is defined in RFC6333 and >>> is implemented using a tunnel + CGN. >>>> >>>> The multicast portion of the service is defined in >>> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast. This portion of the >>> service can be defined as follows: >>>> >>>> * delivery of IPv4 multicast content using native IPv6 >>> multicast capabilities >>>> * delivery of native IPv6 multicast content >>>> >>>> The solution proposed in >>> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast is designed to allow >>> DS-Lite serviced customers be delivered IPv4 multicast services. >>> >>> I think I agree with the above. >>> >>>> A side note, I agree with Stig and Woj the proposed solution >>> can be generalized to cover any 4-6-4 scenario. This can be >>> done easily by updating the draft (abstract and introduction) >>> to reflect the change of scope of use cases. We didn't had the >>> ambition to define a generic solution when we wrote this >>> draft, we focused mainly on the DS-Lite context. If there is >>> no objection from the WG, we can implement that change. >>> >>> This is all I've been asking for. An update to abstract/introduction to >>> indicate that it is a generic solution. And then say that >>> DS-Lite is one >>> of the use-cases. You can even say that the solution was developed to >>> solve the problem for DS-Lite. All I want is to make it clear >>> that it is >>> a generic solution. >>> >>> Stig >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Med >>>> >>>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>>> De : softwire issue tracker [mailto:trac+softwire@tools.ietf.org] >>>>> Envoyé : vendredi 13 juillet 2012 23:55 >>>>> À : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@tools.ietf.org; >>>>> sarikaya@ieee.org >>>>> Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>>>> Objet : Re: [softwire] #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite >>>>> >>>>> #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite >>>>> >>>>> Changes (by sarikaya@.): >>>>> >>>>> * owner: sarikaya@. => draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -------------------------+------------------------------------- >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Reporter: sarikaya@. | Owner: draft-ietf-softwire-dslite- >>>>> Type: defect | multicast@. >>>>> Priority: major | Status: new >>>>> Component: dslite- | Milestone: milestone1 >>>>> multicast | Version: 2.0 >>>>> Severity: In WG Last | Resolution: >>>>> Call | >>>>> Keywords: tunneling | >>>>> -------------------------+------------------------------------- >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Ticket URL: >>>>> >>>>> softwire >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Softwires mailing list >>>> Softwires@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > --------------020906020401000407030307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Stig,

Thanks a lot for the comments and the proposed text, we'll consider that.


Cheers,
Jacni
On 8/23/2012 Thursday 1:39 AM, Stig Venaas wrote:
On 7/30/2012 12:06 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
Hi Stig,

Wouldn't be sufficient enough to add this sentence to the abstract and the Introduction:

    "The proposed solution can be deployed for other 4-6-4 use cases."

Sorry for a late reply. I feel that you need to change more. Here are
my suggestions.

The title is "Multicast Extensions to DS-Lite Technique in Broadband Deployments". Could it be changed to something like

"Delivery of IPv4 multicast services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network".

Make the abstract something like:

This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 multicast
services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 multicast traffic. The
solution is particularly useful for for the delivery of multicast
service offerings to DS-Lite serviced customers.

In the Introduction, add a paragraph in front of the current 1st
paragraph.

Something like

This document specifies a generic solution for delivery of IPv4 multicast services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The
solution was developed with DS-Lite in mind, and we will discuss that
below. The solution is however not limited to DS-Lite.

Section 3, change beginning of the section to something like:

This document focuses only subscription to an IPv4 multicast group and
the delivery of IPv4-formatted content to IPv4 receivers over an
IPv6-only network.  In particular, only the following case is covered:

Section 4, maybe change first paragraph to this:

In the original DS-Lite specification [RFC6333], an IPv4-in-IPv6
tunnel is used to carry bidirectional IPv4 unicast traffic between a
B4 and an AFTR.  The solution specified in this document provides an
IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme to deliver unidirectional IPv4
multicast traffic from an mAFTR to an mB4.

Stig

Thanks.

Cheers,
Med

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Stig Venaas [mailto:stig@venaas.com]
Envoyé : vendredi 27 juillet 2012 18:29
À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP
Cc : softwire issue tracker;
draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@tools.ietf.org;
sarikaya@ieee.org; softwires@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [Softwires] [softwire] #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite

Hi

On 7/27/2012 4:48 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
Dear all,

I really don't understand this issue.
It is even misplaced to have this comment at this stage,
since this is a document which has been adopted by the WG and
the solution it specifies is the same as the one reviewed by
the WG prior to its adoption (i.e., since April 2011).

Anyway, below a tentative to explain the overall rationale:

DS-Lite model can not be reduced to a CGN/AFTR + tunnel.
DS-Lite should be first seen as an IP connectivity service.
This service can be defined as follows:

* delivery of IPv4 connectivity over an IPv6-capable network.
* delivery of native IPv6 connectivity
* DS-Lite serviced customers are assigned with IPv6 prefix
and no IPv4 address.

The unicast portion of the service is defined in RFC6333 and
is implemented using a tunnel + CGN.

The multicast portion of the service is defined in
draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast. This portion of the
service can be defined as follows:

* delivery of IPv4 multicast content using native IPv6
multicast capabilities
* delivery of native IPv6 multicast content

The solution proposed in
draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast is designed to allow
DS-Lite serviced customers be delivered IPv4 multicast services.

I think I agree with the above.

A side note, I agree with Stig and Woj the proposed solution
can be generalized to cover any 4-6-4 scenario. This can be
done easily by updating the draft (abstract and introduction)
to reflect the change of scope of use cases. We didn't had the
ambition to define a generic solution when we wrote this
draft, we focused mainly on the DS-Lite context. If there is
no objection from the WG, we can implement that change.

This is all I've been asking for. An update to abstract/introduction to
indicate that it is a generic solution. And then say that
DS-Lite is one
of the use-cases. You can even say that the solution was developed to
solve the problem for DS-Lite. All I want is to make it clear
that it is
a generic solution.

Stig

Cheers,
Med

-----Message d'origine-----
De : softwire issue tracker [mailto:trac+softwire@tools.ietf.org]
Envoyé : vendredi 13 juillet 2012 23:55
À : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@tools.ietf.org;
sarikaya@ieee.org
Cc : softwires@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [softwire] #10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite

#10: Nothing in common with DS-Lite

Changes (by sarikaya@.):

* owner:  sarikaya@. => draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast@.


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Reporter:  sarikaya@.   |       Owner:  draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-
      Type:  defect       |  multicast@.
Priority:  major        |      Status:  new
Component:  dslite-      |   Milestone:  milestone1
   multicast              |     Version:  2.0
Severity:  In WG Last   |  Resolution:
   Call                   |
Keywords:  tunneling    |
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Ticket URL:
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/softwire/trac/ticket/10#comment:1>
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--------------020906020401000407030307-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Aug 23 07:46:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E41821F858E; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:46:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ir646Sq8m6uZ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1540F21F855E; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:46:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:46:55 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:46:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services to IPv4 Clients over= an IPv6 Multicast Network Author(s) : Jacni Qin Mohamed Boucadair Christian Jacquenet Yiu L. Lee Qian Wang Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2012-08-23 Abstract: This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 multicast services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced customers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Thu Aug 23 07:54:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C27821F84DA for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.058 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.058 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.190, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sryWP6FPWPoS for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D24C21F8517 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.3]) by omfedm10.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 80B282646BB for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PUEXCH51.nanterre.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.101.44.31]) by omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 6A1284C017 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.9]) by PUEXCH51.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.31]) with mapi; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:54:31 +0200 From: To: "softwires@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:54:30 +0200 Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 Thread-Index: Ac2BPhl+6uIx1sv0TtmiKAXOkUOILQAABU5g Message-ID: <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2012.6.19.115414 Subject: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:54:55 -0000 Dear all, A new version taking into account comments received during the WGLC has bee= n submitted. The main changes are: * change the title * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and the solution h= as been designed with DS-Lite in mind * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when translation multi= cast addresses * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the document but other = tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future * update the security section with some discussions related to scoping. * + other editorial changes. To view the detailed changes: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf= -softwire-dslite-multicast-03 I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. Cheers, Med >-----Message d'origine----- >De : softwires-bounces@ietf.org=20 >[mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de=20 >internet-drafts@ietf.org >Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 ao=FBt 2012 16:47 >=C0 : i-d-announce@ietf.org >Cc : softwires@ietf.org >Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action:=20 >draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 >Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services=20 >to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network > Author(s) : Jacni Qin > Mohamed Boucadair > Christian Jacquenet > Yiu L. Lee > Qian Wang > Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt > Pages : 20 > Date : 2012-08-23 > >Abstract: > This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4=20 >multicast > services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The > solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme > and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 > multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the > delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced > customers. > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 > >A diff from the previous version is available at: >http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >ticast-03 > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >_______________________________________________ >Softwires mailing list >Softwires@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >= From stig@venaas.com Thu Aug 23 10:45:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08AC21F8564 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:45:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S0Lajl98bzre for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832A621F856F for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:420:301:1004:f485:5a0:15c7:ed8f] (unknown [IPv6:2001:420:301:1004:f485:5a0:15c7:ed8f]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 496227FED; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:45:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50366C1D.5060606@venaas.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:45:01 -0700 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com References: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:45:15 -0000 On 8/23/2012 7:54 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: > Dear all, > > A new version taking into account comments received during the WGLC has been submitted. The main changes are: > > * change the title > * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and the solution has been designed with DS-Lite in mind > * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when translation multicast addresses > * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the document but other tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future > * update the security section with some discussions related to scoping. > * + other editorial changes. Thanks for doing this. The new version looks good to me. Just two comments. 1. This document probably needs to wait on the address format draft. The examples here depend on what format is chosen. 2. It would be good to ask for a review in mboned. There are people there that know multicast and might be interested in this solution. Also, people that read this would get a better understanding for the need of the address format draft and multicast transitioning in general. Stig > To view the detailed changes: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 > > I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. > > Cheers, > Med > > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : softwires-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de >> internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Envoyé : jeudi 23 août 2012 16:47 >> À : i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc : softwires@ietf.org >> Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >> Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. >> >> Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services >> to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network >> Author(s) : Jacni Qin >> Mohamed Boucadair >> Christian Jacquenet >> Yiu L. Lee >> Qian Wang >> Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >> Pages : 20 >> Date : 2012-08-23 >> >> Abstract: >> This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 >> multicast >> services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The >> solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme >> and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 >> multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the >> delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced >> customers. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >> ticast-03 >> >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >> > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Thu Aug 23 12:33:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A38121F86B8 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ypx-tKA+b6du for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A7B21F861B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so2051124iab.31 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3pP0HjmxTv701TIFN8VVlwLDVYXllzqy2Bkp/vEJo5Y=; b=AKBbhANWbhch1LXWZE9Fmv+lJJXhD++E4GVlCPaTqv+9TXT+/qTnRn4zFhkpqQI9Z7 PvuyDXEQk+7GDRIE1YzZ+NrS6yNDxBMyJdfl86L/OAEl5GTBh/w2ajQAYOhbCxksZCte xi09wv6/+sdCymabT1PlL6j0OS1PFQBw0uowb1L4VRCwZOhGw5+BgrWU+30FUJ+gi36K 6H80O2l9n6shmHVg93/u/Z5z3w+kam+Yzc3kPmRdr7KAqCFmwg/d3+F49AsExzIuFqpF WJY2HJ96rHOeAIeGrXLnuxaR7qslimJK04SbjYUAXBdnHGfV6FADQzmtviV4Lnl/tj00 mr6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.31.5 with SMTP id x5mr2283887icc.40.1345750406372; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.55.70 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:33:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:33:28 -0000 Hi Med, Thanks for posting this revision but it seems like it has not solved any problems but instead it created more problems :-). First, please see the two active tickets, ticket #10 and ticket #11 in the issue tracker: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/softwire/trac/report/1 In addition, in Section 4.3, the draft all of a sudden deviates from translation which is used all over and introduces encapsulation. I had asked before in my mails, asking it again, why? You think that translation of multicast data could not be used/does not work? Please see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-behave-mcast4nat64-06 Section 5 might be containing immature text as the underlying draft work has not yet been finalized. The right way to handle tickets # 10 & 11 is first to include the encapsulation solution and next describe the drawbacks based on the application that you consider and then next present this translation solution. Failing this, the only suggestion is to take this draft to another place, e.g. mboned and try its chances there. Regards, Behcet On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:54 AM, wrote: > Dear all, > > A new version taking into account comments received during the WGLC has b= een submitted. The main changes are: > > * change the title > * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and the solution= has been designed with DS-Lite in mind > * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when translation mul= ticast addresses > * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the document but othe= r tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future > * update the security section with some discussions related to scoping. > * + other editorial changes. > > To view the detailed changes: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ie= tf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 > > I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. > > Cheers, > Med > > >>-----Message d'origine----- >>De : softwires-bounces@ietf.org >>[mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de >>internet-drafts@ietf.org >>Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 ao=FBt 2012 16:47 >>=C0 : i-d-announce@ietf.org >>Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action: >>draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >> >> >>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >>Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. >> >> Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services >>to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network >> Author(s) : Jacni Qin >> Mohamed Boucadair >> Christian Jacquenet >> Yiu L. Lee >> Qian Wang >> Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >> Pages : 20 >> Date : 2012-08-23 >> >>Abstract: >> This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 >>multicast >> services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The >> solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme >> and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 >> multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the >> delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced >> customers. >> >> >>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast >> >>There's also a htmlized version available at: >>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >> >>A diff from the previous version is available at: >>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >>ticast-03 >> >> >>Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Softwires mailing list >>Softwires@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >> > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From yiu_lee@cable.comcast.com Thu Aug 23 13:08:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAA121F854E for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.229 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.229 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Ne0Hu8a3NDL for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cable.comcast.com (copdcavout01.cable.comcast.com [76.96.32.253]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377E921F8505 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.56.116]) by copdcavout01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP id C7WM3M1.30526893; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:47:35 -0600 Received: from PACDCEXMB05.cable.comcast.com ([169.254.7.115]) by pacdcexhub03.cable.comcast.com ([fe80::5527:6d6b:29a7:f414%13]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:07:56 -0400 From: "Lee, Yiu" To: Stig Venaas , "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com" Thread-Topic: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 Thread-Index: AQHNgWr7LiF1eWlgPky2KD+BPsa0EA== Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:07:54 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50366C1D.5060606@venaas.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 x-originating-ip: [24.40.55.70] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3428582873_17935" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:08:03 -0000 --B_3428582873_17935 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stig, Agree we should review this in mboned. We will send a separate message to mboned for review. Thanks very much for all your comments. Thanks, Yiu On 8/23/12 1:45 PM, "Stig Venaas" wrote: >On 8/23/2012 7:54 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> A new version taking into account comments received during the WGLC has >>been submitted. The main changes are: >> >> * change the title >> * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and the >>solution has been designed with DS-Lite in mind >> * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when translation >>multicast addresses >> * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the document but >>other tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future >> * update the security section with some discussions related to scoping. >> * + other editorial changes. > >Thanks for doing this. The new version looks good to me. > >Just two comments. > >1. This document probably needs to wait on the address format draft. The > examples here depend on what format is chosen. > >2. It would be good to ask for a review in mboned. There are people > there that know multicast and might be interested in this solution. > Also, people that read this would get a better understanding for the > need of the address format draft and multicast transitioning in > general. > >Stig > >> To view the detailed changes: >>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >> >> I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. >> >> Cheers, >> Med >> >> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : softwires-bounces@ietf.org >>> [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de >>> internet-drafts@ietf.org >>> Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 ao=FBt 2012 16:47 >>> =C0 : i-d-announce@ietf.org >>> Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>> Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action: >>> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>> >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >>> Internet-Drafts directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services >>> to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network >>> Author(s) : Jacni Qin >>> Mohamed Boucadair >>> Christian Jacquenet >>> Yiu L. Lee >>> Qian Wang >>> Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>> Pages : 20 >>> Date : 2012-08-23 >>> >>> Abstract: >>> This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 >>> multicast >>> services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The >>> solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme >>> and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 >>> multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the >>> delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced >>> customers. >>> >>> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast >>> >>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >>> >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >>> ticast-03 >>> >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Softwires mailing list >>> Softwires@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >> > 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[64.104.125.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ou6sm7148924pbc.9.2012.08.23.18.26.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5036D84E.6070804@jacni.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:26:38 +0800 From: Jacni Qin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stig Venaas References: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <50366C1D.5060606@venaas.com> In-Reply-To: <50366C1D.5060606@venaas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlZibq5dRxAQgoo3AJLEmCv44AUgNjL/04P3kR0gQUaIcWiYet7WB07rkLolIgUjsxOKc3E Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:26:49 -0000 Re-, On 8/24/2012 Friday 1:45 AM, Stig Venaas wrote: > On 8/23/2012 7:54 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> A new version taking into account comments received during the WGLC >> has been submitted. The main changes are: >> >> * change the title >> * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and the >> solution has been designed with DS-Lite in mind >> * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when translation >> multicast addresses >> * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the document but >> other tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future >> * update the security section with some discussions related to scoping. >> * + other editorial changes. > > Thanks for doing this. The new version looks good to me. Great, Thanks a lot for your comments and helps to improve the doc. > > Just two comments. > > 1. This document probably needs to wait on the address format draft. The > examples here depend on what format is chosen. True, we'll update it accordingly after the address format design is done. Cheers, Jacni > > 2. It would be good to ask for a review in mboned. There are people > there that know multicast and might be interested in this solution. > Also, people that read this would get a better understanding for the > need of the address format draft and multicast transitioning in > general. > > Stig > >> To view the detailed changes: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >> >> I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. >> >> Cheers, >> Med >> >> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : softwires-bounces@ietf.org >>> [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de >>> internet-drafts@ietf.org >>> Envoyé : jeudi 23 août 2012 16:47 >>> À : i-d-announce@ietf.org >>> Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>> Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action: >>> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>> >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >>> Internet-Drafts directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services >>> to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network >>> Author(s) : Jacni Qin >>> Mohamed Boucadair >>> Christian Jacquenet >>> Yiu L. Lee >>> Qian Wang >>> Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>> Pages : 20 >>> Date : 2012-08-23 >>> >>> Abstract: >>> This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 >>> multicast >>> services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The >>> solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme >>> and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 >>> multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the >>> delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced >>> customers. >>> >>> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast >>> >>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >>> >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >>> ticast-03 >>> >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Softwires mailing list >>> Softwires@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >> > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > . > From mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Thu Aug 23 22:41:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE7321F847B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:41:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.06 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.06 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.188, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C6USszqbIYsk for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias92.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61FE21F847A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by omfedm12.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 16BA218C961; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from puexch91.nanterre.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.101.44.48]) by omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id F0B46238062; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:41:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.9]) by puexch91.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.48]) with mapi; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:41:15 +0200 From: To: "sarikaya@ieee.org" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:41:14 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 Thread-Index: Ac2BZh7qV31h3UiHQ5miZLTsPGNLnQAVCsMw Message-ID: <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A92D@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2012.8.24.45416 Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:41:40 -0000 Hi Behcet, I'm ready to record in the document whatever the WG agrees to do. But as fa= r as I know the solution which consists in encapsulating all multicast flow= s to the unicast AFTR has not been accepted by the working group. The drawb= acks are even been documented in this draft. =20 I'm aware of the tickets you opened. I already answered several times to th= ose issues by e-mail. I sincerely don't see what I can do more.=20 Cheers, Med >-----Message d'origine----- >De : Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com]=20 >Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 ao=FBt 2012 21:33 >=C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP >Cc : softwires@ietf.org >Objet : Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 > >Hi Med, > >Thanks for posting this revision but it seems like it has not solved >any problems but instead it created more problems :-). > >First, please see the two active tickets, > >ticket #10 >and >ticket #11 > >in the issue tracker: >http://tools.ietf.org/wg/softwire/trac/report/1 > >In addition, in Section 4.3, the draft all of a sudden deviates from >translation which is used all over and introduces encapsulation. >I had asked before in my mails, asking it again, why? You think that >translation of multicast data could not be used/does not work? Please >see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-behave-mcast4nat64-06 > >Section 5 might be containing immature text as the underlying draft >work has not yet been finalized. > >The right way to handle tickets # 10 & 11 >is > >first to include the encapsulation solution > >and next describe the drawbacks based on the application that you >consider and then > >next present this translation solution. > >Failing this, the only suggestion is to take this draft to another >place, e.g. mboned and try its chances there. > >Regards, > >Behcet > >On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:54 AM, wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> A new version taking into account comments received during=20 >the WGLC has been submitted. The main changes are: >> >> * change the title >> * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and=20 >the solution has been designed with DS-Lite in mind >> * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when=20 >translation multicast addresses >> * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the=20 >document but other tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future >> * update the security section with some discussions related=20 >to scoping. >> * + other editorial changes. >> >> To view the detailed changes:=20 >http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul ticast-03 >> >> I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. >> >> Cheers, >> Med >> >> >>>-----Message d'origine----- >>>De : softwires-bounces@ietf.org >>>[mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de >>>internet-drafts@ietf.org >>>Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 ao=FBt 2012 16:47 >>>=C0 : i-d-announce@ietf.org >>>Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>>Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action: >>>draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>> >>> >>>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >>>Internet-Drafts directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of=20 >the IETF. >>> >>> Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services >>>to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network >>> Author(s) : Jacni Qin >>> Mohamed Boucadair >>> Christian Jacquenet >>> Yiu L. Lee >>> Qian Wang >>> Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>> Pages : 20 >>> Date : 2012-08-23 >>> >>>Abstract: >>> This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 >>>multicast >>> services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The >>> solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme >>> and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 >>> multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the >>> delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced >>> customers. >>> >>> >>>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast >>> >>>There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >>> >>>A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >>>ticast-03 >>> >>> >>>Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Softwires mailing list >>>Softwires@ietf.org >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >= From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Aug 24 07:16:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E2421F86FE; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:16:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p0J9FTNj8J5p; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0637021F86E4; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:16:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120824141618.3309.63092.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:16:18 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-01.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:16:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : DHCPv6 Options for Mapping of Address and Port Author(s) : Tomasz Mrugalski Ole Troan Congxiao Bao Wojciech Dec Leaf Y. Yeh Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-01.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2012-08-24 Abstract: This document specifies DHCPv6 options for the provisioning of Mapping of Address and Port (MAP) Customer Edge (CE) devices, based on the MAP paramaters defined in [I-D.ietf-softwire-map]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-01 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From tomasz.mrugalski@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 07:33:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597EA21F86C2 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dauYNJvcQOPK for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3A321F86C5 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eekb45 with SMTP id b45so732790eek.31 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-tagtoolbar-keys:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gu0t410Eh5jB0N7BFMm5/dKvPqFhE8/nzuuHA4EZpW4=; b=pUzHL1CYBXTATT/tXgVUoiqJL/NFoMheZOcHc5TIO2rgge2n3gnhgeWp7iOc95qdKH YAfVOa8XoYjbu31m0fqgOogZFnHJ6mE/WeeYnm8iUg+lnpuq2jD5HmvmX8uOBA4dfnQZ 3Wq9VNv/5b94WYTmT7LkWnbVDunjl6YWTUVAxvlHHbcTajCsvFSgCdqFnqGHx1D7uoHL fOiUfaf2EM0gbs1Jh4cgcK7Ubwjafw+dxzxPEAdhWYjulJgjg1qqFt35DB0hbcxWUrq8 rUaJo+ME+bav9Y0xFF9pyuvmGYlQ8yiL7+syPxxVps0oU7yisPyRz6ZsW5zg5qoGixe+ 95FQ== Received: by 10.14.212.72 with SMTP id x48mr7659478eeo.40.1345818818698; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:470:6061:1:d069:65b6:5b6b:842b? ([2001:470:6061:1:d069:65b6:5b6b:842b]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l42sm30419798eep.1.2012.08.24.07.33.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <503790BF.2020303@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:33:35 +0200 From: Tomek Mrugalski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwires@ietf.org References: <20120824141618.3309.63092.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120824141618.3309.63092.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-TagToolbar-Keys: D20120824163335614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-01.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:33:40 -0000 On 24.08.2012 16:16, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : DHCPv6 Options for Mapping of Address and Port > Author(s) : Tomasz Mrugalski > Ole Troan > Congxiao Bao > Wojciech Dec > Leaf Y. Yeh > Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-01.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2012-08-24 Dear softwires! draft-mdt-softwire-map-dhcp-option-03 passed adoption call in June and was adopted as draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-00. In the mean time, WG decided that 1:1 mode should be removed from the main MAP draft. It seemed reasonable that removing corresponding PORTPARAMS option between individual -03 and wg-00 is ok, so authors did then when uploading wg-00 draft. The chairs have informed authors that technically WG reached consensus on adopting idividual -03, not individual -03 + changes. Therefore this -01 draft is a revert back to invidual -03. Our belief is that this concludes the adoption process. Now that we are done with it, let's decide what to do with PORTPARAMS option. Simply speaking, PORTPARAMS option allow PSID configuration on a per-CPE basis. A simple, direct question to the interested WG participants: Do you want to keep PORTPARAMS option or get rid of it? Cheers, Tomek From wdec.ietf@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 07:48:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBE321F86D4 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:48:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LhWFiQ6mVzAk for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1777321F86C6 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eekb45 with SMTP id b45so739310eek.31 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=C48bN6RRN7cK8eH7qyxOislf540sc2lq9eEmosAf5zQ=; b=kKqRrQpNx/Zr+XW/E7DNURGiql2eXvTHPeXbEwpR8G4xgwp/xAtG/s+oJ6TLDzG5GI RlBeyjbYO57Iky45nAa5xr1k+cF/BX60IaL/NoKLidxc6R4HF1q9VULZ9eugmrwzINh4 NhhMkcEVIA07HW0NYPdXZEmQ1w2UPUuHinqPhHaKwGZHa6oFM6KYP3Di/N7ND8wGWZ7U p8umjOPcp3M6sNEzq45khTlz2AXaCimsajRIrr0uwuo2adJUnb3/xGBIpE+uIe1RcoVN h+/OOrHTU9q57CL5Nzpxracay2nVtqzoxkKBQjb3J9ZkzY7Mp1j3P7pnSIpSbLQ/s9Xk E0aw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.223.72 with SMTP id u48mr7806927eep.37.1345819728256; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.45.68 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:48:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <503790BF.2020303@gmail.com> References: <20120824141618.3309.63092.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <503790BF.2020303@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:48:48 +0200 Message-ID: From: Wojciech Dec To: Tomek Mrugalski Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b622810d59d8804c80412be Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-01.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:48:50 -0000 --047d7b622810d59d8804c80412be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Tomek, thanks for re-posting. On 24 August 2012 16:33, Tomek Mrugalski wrote: > On 24.08.2012 16:16, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : DHCPv6 Options for Mapping of Address and Port > > Author(s) : Tomasz Mrugalski > > Ole Troan > > Congxiao Bao > > Wojciech Dec > > Leaf Y. Yeh > > Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-01.txt > > Pages : 16 > > Date : 2012-08-24 > > Dear softwires! > > draft-mdt-softwire-map-dhcp-option-03 passed adoption call in June and > was adopted as draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-00. In the mean time, WG > decided that 1:1 mode should be removed from the main MAP draft. > It seemed reasonable that removing corresponding PORTPARAMS option > between individual -03 and wg-00 is ok, so authors did then when > uploading wg-00 draft. > > The chairs have informed authors that technically WG reached consensus > on adopting idividual -03, not individual -03 + changes. Therefore this > -01 draft is a revert back to invidual -03. > > Our belief is that this concludes the adoption process. Now that we are > done with it, let's decide what to do with PORTPARAMS option. Simply > speaking, PORTPARAMS option allow PSID configuration on a per-CPE basis. > A simple, direct question to the interested WG participants: > > Do you want to keep PORTPARAMS option or get rid of it? > Given that the PORTPARAMS is a key and inherent configuration parameter to MAP, it needs to be exposed as such via config protocol extensions for MAP as in the posted draft. Note: The WG already voted & approved/accepted the posted draft. -Woj. > > Cheers, > Tomek > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > --047d7b622810d59d8804c80412be Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tomek,

thanks for re-posting.

O= n 24 August 2012 16:33, Tomek Mrugalski <tomasz.mrugalski@gmail.c= om> wrote:
On 24.08.2012 16:16, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir= ectories.
> =A0This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IET= F.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : DHCPv6 Options for Mapping of = Address and Port
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : Tomasz Mrugalski
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Ole Troan
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Congxiao Bao
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Wojciech Dec
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Leaf Y. Yeh
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-01.= txt
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 16
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2012-08-24

Dear softwires!

draft-mdt-softwire-map-dhcp-option-03 passed adoption call in June and
was adopted as draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp-00. In the mean time, WG
decided that 1:1 mode should be removed from the main MAP draft.
It seemed reasonable that removing corresponding PORTPARAMS option
between individual -03 and wg-00 is ok, so authors did then when
uploading wg-00 draft.

The chairs have informed authors that technically WG reached consensus
on adopting idividual -03, not individual -03 + changes. Therefore this
-01 draft is a revert back to invidual -03.

Our belief is that this concludes the adoption process. Now that we are
done with it, let's decide what to do with PORTPARAMS option. Simply speaking, PORTPARAMS option allow PSID configuration on a per-CPE basis. A simple, direct question to the interested WG participants:

Do you want to keep PORTPARAMS option or get rid of it?

Given that the PORTPARAMS is a key and inherent configuration paramet= er to MAP, it needs to be exposed as such via config protocol extensions fo= r MAP as in the posted draft.
Note: The WG already voted & approved/accepted the posted draft.

-Woj.

Cheers,
Tomek

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--047d7b622810d59d8804c80412be-- From wdec.ietf@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 07:58:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8D621F8688 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:58:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5dBsz8I6fdWO for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5D821F866C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eaai11 with SMTP id i11so586830eaa.31 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zrrEr15n7Uy0jyVzxJlMm7NReqy6wH87MgZrk9JfZAM=; b=zTQSPw/ohM9X8pFGKX6DdmD4FR5SX2JvkMfU6HJaFQ2y0NQ1zUIbPMSwj1jKNb5xTT bRqFKDqVfIdDtpsM0rC0D6NOFxJDa8u7d2fOnYRbLXiwdnym+EE3L9qk8GwhSnBtFyxU puOACmFZFYjp3wzx63boYnceQkf2xba9aLJ7rECDtyQ9TYEPwN6k2AddPefH4+oMFSJ+ ebFFbOOXnohE3iKnLJ5lrnJQ/GQOkB4VSvhGbWUEctHF1aXYF6+akF0LqMMV9vqWUc6/ dHm8Xw1RF/yYmloeaPEptrINBwkkTAQHlE+JOItkf2CqA0EZll8HDcXHdt03EAhdEcND VK6A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.206.201 with SMTP id l49mr8004094eeo.3.1345820291061; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.45.68 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:58:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:58:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: Wojciech Dec To: sunqi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343faa6159ba04c8043426 Cc: Softwires WG Subject: Re: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:58:13 -0000 --047d7b343faa6159ba04c8043426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Qi, by definition a hub & spoke is a subset of mesh, which MAP supports naturally. Any solution that seeks to exclude hub& spoke mode from mesh is in conflict with that and as stated multiple times, precluding such use is actually complicating the MAP solution, for no apparent benefit or technical reason as it is a deployment choice. Thanks, Woj. > > -----Original Message----- > From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of sunqi > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:50 PM > To: Suresh Krishnan > Cc: Softwires WG > Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as th= e > basis for the proposed standard stateless solution > > > Hi , dear chairs, > > I would like to see the stateless solutions moving forward with > MAP-E on the standard track and keep it focusing on mesh scenarios. > > Many thanks for the great guidance of our chairs and ADs. > > > > Thanks, > > Qi Sun > > > =E5=9C=A8 2012-8-8=EF=BC=8C=E4=B8=8A=E5=8D=886:02=EF=BC=8C Suresh Krishna= n =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > > > Hi all, > > During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* to > > determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that the > > sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed > > standard stateless solution. > > > > This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus > > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard > > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of this > > selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complete > > at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21. > > > > Regards > > Suresh & Yong > > > > * Questions are available at > > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-softwire-15.pdf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Softwires mailing list > > Softwires@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > --047d7b343faa6159ba04c8043426 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Qi,

by definition a hub & spoke is a subset of mesh, which MAP s= upports naturally. Any solution that seeks to exclude hub& spoke mode f= rom mesh is in conflict with that and as stated multiple times, precluding = such use is actually complicating the MAP solution, for no apparent benefit= or technical reason as it is a deployment choice.

Thanks,
Woj.



-----Original Message-----
From: softwires-bounces@ietf.= org [mailto:softwires-bou= nces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of sunqi
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:50 PM
To: Suresh Krishnan
Cc: Softwires WG
Subject: Re: [Softwires] Call for confirming the selection of MAP-E as the = basis for the proposed standard stateless solution


Hi , dear chairs,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I would like to see the stateless solutions movi= ng forward with MAP-E on the standard track and keep it focusing on mesh sc= enarios.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Many thanks for the great guidance of our chairs and A= Ds.



Thanks,

Qi Sun


=E5=9C=A8 2012-8-8=EF=BC=8C=E4=B8=8A=E5=8D=886:02=EF=BC=8C Suresh Krishnan = =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> Hi all,
> =C2=A0During the softwire WG meeting at IETF84 a series of questions* = to
> determine the preferred solution in the meeting room indicated that th= e
> sense of the room was in favor of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed<= br> > standard stateless solution.
>
> This call is being initiated to confirm whether there is WG consensus<= br> > towards the selection of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard<= br> > stateless solution. Please state whether or not you're in favor of= this
> selection by replying to this email. If you are not in favor, please > also (re)state your objections in your response. The call will complet= e
> at midnight EDT on 2012-08-21.
>
> Regards
> Suresh & Yong
>
> * Questions are available at
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slide= s-84-softwire-15.pdf
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Softwires mailing list
> Softwires@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires

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--047d7b343faa6159ba04c8043426-- From wdec.ietf@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 08:39:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398EC21F86AA for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:39:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.591, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_36=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z7uY7-lGl++L for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A64121F8691 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eekb45 with SMTP id b45so760707eek.31 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:39:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2ArmBTdtHXqPkD0TbeBIlvzPOWBCr7RaIWAAt0tlWzM=; b=z3TNBakHTn5vXFGoDWjRNGnSwXOQdPEUKV9xOJFO5Xx1yoQW9KLdTiw5ZtdelK/JB4 wrV8xVwWTJu8SNnyTBfUG6CdefeEzzgkLDTaD+wmmZ26s/43lHOpwu0oB9IMXMelH94E 3UNkF/wJ3E9HOFITO6HFJCiWCP1oIwzqjIvGeMon59O68iNsEVIYEP67Ju+0vov/njY1 6LFiUwu/yDCsFaov0/RljjrZOGwGyx6ejmiJfBti6qq1xDLvBukblQp5veaB8+1nDdz9 7Egc2nGKB91EZZgcIK/QDKzqyx3sROP1h8dUyEpbkIlzbV1FBJXiXiQ9ObWPNPodq5Ty MzYA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.224.4 with SMTP id w4mr8111730eep.21.1345822744784; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.45.68 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:39:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:39:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: Wojciech Dec To: Simon Perreault Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6227d2a22ec004c804c66e Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:39:07 -0000 --047d7b6227d2a22ec004c804c66e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simon, On 16 August 2012 15:19, Simon Perreault wrote= : > Le 2012-08-16 00:58, Maoke a =E9crit : > > same view. some operator would like to deploy things only with >> hub&spokes mode, it is fine. but for those who want to have mesh and >> hub&spokes simultaneously, there is no reason that we need two solutions >> especially when MAP has supported both. there is no need to limit MAP's >> scope with "focusing on mesh". >> > > The elephant in the room is that a provider that only needs hub-and-spoke > doesn't want to pay for the needless (subjectively) complexity of MAP. > > Here's an idea: a restricted "profile" of MAP-E that would only allow > hub-and-spoke, described in a separate RFC, would look exactly like LW4o6= , > right? And it could be implemented stand-alone, without all the mesh code= . > And it could be listed on an RFP. > MAP already supports hub& spoke, as documented, and no it doesn't look like LW4o6, since MAP allows the: 1. Ability to optimize the amount of configuration/rules required. Eg 1 rule can cover millions of end points. 2. Ability to optimize traffic forwarding (which gets referred to as mesh mode). -Woj. > Simon > -- > DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.**ca > NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca > STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca > > ______________________________**_________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/softwires > --047d7b6227d2a22ec004c804c66e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simon,

On 16 August 2012 15:19, Simon Per= reault <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> wrote:
Le 2012-08-16 00:58, Maoke a =E9crit :

same view. some operator would like to deploy things only with
hub&spokes mode, it is fine. but for those who want to have mesh and hub&spokes simultaneously, there is no reason that we need two solution= s
especially when MAP has supported both. there is no need to limit MAP's=
scope with "focusing on mesh".

The elephant in the room is that a provider that only needs hub-and-spoke d= oesn't want to pay for the needless (subjectively) complexity of MAP.

Here's an idea: a restricted "profile" of MAP-E that would on= ly allow hub-and-spoke, described in a separate RFC, would look exactly lik= e LW4o6, right? And it could be implemented stand-alone, without all the me= sh code. And it could be listed on an RFP.

MAP already supports hub& spoke, as= documented, and no it doesn't look like LW4o6, since MAP allows the:1. Ability to optimize the amount of configuration/rules required. Eg 1 r= ule can cover millions of end points.
2. Ability to optimize traffic forwarding (which gets referred to as mesh m= ode).

-Woj.


Simon
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--047d7b6227d2a22ec004c804c66e-- From simon.perreault@viagenie.ca Fri Aug 24 08:50:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE12621F8510 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:50:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.083 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.083 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.398, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LlVU1OxecorG for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531B921F8466 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from porto.nomis80.org (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:4df:b093:21c9:f5f6]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A7CB425F1; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5037A2AA.8000603@viagenie.ca> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:50:02 -0400 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120717 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Dec References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:50:05 -0000 Le 2012-08-24 11:39, Wojciech Dec a écrit : > Here's an idea: a restricted "profile" of MAP-E that would only > allow hub-and-spoke, described in a separate RFC, would look exactly > like LW4o6, right? And it could be implemented stand-alone, without > all the mesh code. And it could be listed on an RFP. > > > MAP already supports hub& spoke, as documented, and no it doesn't look > like LW4o6, since MAP allows the: > 1. Ability to optimize the amount of configuration/rules required. Eg 1 > rule can cover millions of end points. > 2. Ability to optimize traffic forwarding (which gets referred to as > mesh mode). Looks like my idea wasn't well understood. Let me try again... RFC A: defines MAP as we know it. RFC B: defines a hub-and-spoke only subset of MAP. refers to A. My assumption is that RFC B would look very much like LW4o6. An ISP needing only hub-and-spoke would cite RFC B in an RFP. The vendor would be free to implement RFC B without full support for A. A full implementation of RFC A would also implicitly be an implementation of B. Just an idea, trying to find a way forward... Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 08:59:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1305521F86BD for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jj8AjY1+a-3s for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166AC21F86B7 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so4095947iab.31 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:59:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/uouzxuM4qsElILw99AP4U1jdMmFnyyLqaViIU7QvbM=; b=x5piQg1Ry8Ey0DYzfWhAnpX6ADCxVE6wKdyR4iDrSN+xppwBmNFmKXOlvv6cTzkiIS fRe75mgCAKUpZKij8tyPNhUapkphaWd1ZLDVH1IG+CaEg9Qgxe6IKzggpW/KfH+2SeuA 5xb0ZeAQbCFRZFHIYL2yrsu2nirv7fPLY/F/8PaEx1G8TaRd0d073jjJfHqezAjQTISv HMVRcJuMSkMYtFbNeH4arakTwz7l+HeCr+U3iVtXe1uJdMjKNPMIBvqB4nGvdJZDGj3k ovFKhABqwTHbae1DrjDGQVYYn6VUnVLJh5Dzo2n++pkUTySZ/vtGrtpm6fvi8faMwjs/ U2SA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.159.226 with SMTP id xf2mr2723139igb.41.1345823950596; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.55.70 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:59:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A92D@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A92D@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:59:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:59:12 -0000 Hi Med. Please see inline. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:41 AM, wrote: > Hi Behcet, > > I'm ready to record in the document whatever the WG agrees to do. But as = far as I know the solution which consists in encapsulating all multicast fl= ows to the unicast AFTR has not been accepted by the working group. The dra= wbacks are even been documented in this draft. > The 3rd paragraph in the introduction should reference http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslitemulticast-01 and I would like this be a normative reference. Your evauation that follows paragraph 3 (with Points 1 and 2) are quite biased and ill stated. As such it gives the impression of Execution without trial? In fact draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslitemulticast does have a much better evaluation of the so-called avalanche problem. Thank you for referring to this solution as DS-Lite environment. At least it is DS-Lite environment and draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 is not. > I'm aware of the tickets you opened. I already answered several times to = those issues by e-mail. > > I sincerely don't see what I can do more. > I could not see anyplace where WG agreed on the changes you made, basically pushed by one person. Please show me where there was WG consensus to do the revisions that way? Is this the solution draft for DS-Lite multicast in Softwire WG? I think it is a solution draft for draft-ietf-mboned-v4v6-mcast-ps, i.e. for mboned. Regards, Behcet > Cheers, > Med > >>-----Message d'origine----- >>De : Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com] >>Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 ao=FBt 2012 21:33 >>=C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP >>Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>Objet : Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >> >>Hi Med, >> >>Thanks for posting this revision but it seems like it has not solved >>any problems but instead it created more problems :-). >> >>First, please see the two active tickets, >> >>ticket #10 >>and >>ticket #11 >> >>in the issue tracker: >>http://tools.ietf.org/wg/softwire/trac/report/1 >> >>In addition, in Section 4.3, the draft all of a sudden deviates from >>translation which is used all over and introduces encapsulation. >>I had asked before in my mails, asking it again, why? You think that >>translation of multicast data could not be used/does not work? Please >>see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-behave-mcast4nat64-06 >> >>Section 5 might be containing immature text as the underlying draft >>work has not yet been finalized. >> >>The right way to handle tickets # 10 & 11 >>is >> >>first to include the encapsulation solution >> >>and next describe the drawbacks based on the application that you >>consider and then >> >>next present this translation solution. >> >>Failing this, the only suggestion is to take this draft to another >>place, e.g. mboned and try its chances there. >> >>Regards, >> >>Behcet >> >>On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:54 AM, wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> A new version taking into account comments received during >>the WGLC has been submitted. The main changes are: >>> >>> * change the title >>> * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and >>the solution has been designed with DS-Lite in mind >>> * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when >>translation multicast addresses >>> * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the >>document but other tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future >>> * update the security section with some discussions related >>to scoping. >>> * + other editorial changes. >>> >>> To view the detailed changes: >>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul > ticast-03 >>> >>> I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Med >>> >>> >>>>-----Message d'origine----- >>>>De : softwires-bounces@ietf.org >>>>[mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de >>>>internet-drafts@ietf.org >>>>Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 ao=FBt 2012 16:47 >>>>=C0 : i-d-announce@ietf.org >>>>Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>>>Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action: >>>>draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>>> >>>> >>>>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >>>>Internet-Drafts directories. >>>> This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of >>the IETF. >>>> >>>> Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services >>>>to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network >>>> Author(s) : Jacni Qin >>>> Mohamed Boucadair >>>> Christian Jacquenet >>>> Yiu L. Lee >>>> Qian Wang >>>> Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>>> Pages : 20 >>>> Date : 2012-08-23 >>>> >>>>Abstract: >>>> This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 >>>>multicast >>>> services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The >>>> solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme >>>> and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 >>>> multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the >>>> delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced >>>> customers. >>>> >>>> >>>>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast >>>> >>>>There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >>>> >>>>A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >>>>ticast-03 >>>> >>>> >>>>Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Softwires mailing list >>>>Softwires@ietf.org >>>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Softwires mailing list >>> Softwires@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >> From stig@venaas.com Fri Aug 24 10:13:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FF121F8707 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:13:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.085, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SmZ9LDxp1ENb for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2F621F86F7 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:420:301:1004:2813:da6:1dff:7b0f] (unknown [IPv6:2001:420:301:1004:2813:da6:1dff:7b0f]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 04C147FD6; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:13:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5037B632.6040302@venaas.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:13:22 -0700 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sarikaya@ieee.org References: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A92D@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "softwires@ietf.org" , Behcet Sarikaya Subject: Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:13:29 -0000 Hi On 8/24/2012 8:59 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Hi Med. > > Please see inline. > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:41 AM, wrote: >> Hi Behcet, >> >> I'm ready to record in the document whatever the WG agrees to do. But as far as I know the solution which consists in encapsulating all multicast flows to the unicast AFTR has not been accepted by the working group. The drawbacks are even been documented in this draft. >> > > > The 3rd paragraph in the introduction should reference > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslitemulticast-01 > > and I would like this be a normative reference. Why normative? You don't need to read your draft to implement this. > Your evauation that follows paragraph 3 (with Points 1 and 2) are > quite biased and ill stated. As such it gives the impression of > Execution without trial? > > In fact draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslitemulticast does have a much > better evaluation of the so-called avalanche problem. > > Thank you for referring to this solution as DS-Lite environment. At > least it is DS-Lite environment and > draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 is not. It is a perfectly fine solution for use in DS-Lite environments, and scales better than encapsulating in unicast as you're suggesting. >> I'm aware of the tickets you opened. I already answered several times to those issues by e-mail. >> >> I sincerely don't see what I can do more. >> > > I could not see anyplace where WG agreed on the changes you made, > basically pushed by one person. > > Please show me where there was WG consensus to do the revisions that way? > Is this the solution draft for DS-Lite multicast in Softwire WG? I > think it is a solution draft for draft-ietf-mboned-v4v6-mcast-ps, i.e. > for mboned. I see it as a solution for how to do multicast in DS-Lite. That it is a more generic solution that has wider applicability is just a bonus. I feel that mboned would have been a good place to do this work, but it was in softwires charter to find a solution, and this is one. I think mboned should review it to check if there are any issues with the solution though. That is happening right now. Stig > Regards, > > Behcet >> Cheers, >> Med >> >>> -----Message d'origine----- >>> De : Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com] >>> Envoyé : jeudi 23 août 2012 21:33 >>> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP >>> Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>> Objet : Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >>> >>> Hi Med, >>> >>> Thanks for posting this revision but it seems like it has not solved >>> any problems but instead it created more problems :-). >>> >>> First, please see the two active tickets, >>> >>> ticket #10 >>> and >>> ticket #11 >>> >>> in the issue tracker: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/softwire/trac/report/1 >>> >>> In addition, in Section 4.3, the draft all of a sudden deviates from >>> translation which is used all over and introduces encapsulation. >>> I had asked before in my mails, asking it again, why? You think that >>> translation of multicast data could not be used/does not work? Please >>> see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-behave-mcast4nat64-06 >>> >>> Section 5 might be containing immature text as the underlying draft >>> work has not yet been finalized. >>> >>> The right way to handle tickets # 10 & 11 >>> is >>> >>> first to include the encapsulation solution >>> >>> and next describe the drawbacks based on the application that you >>> consider and then >>> >>> next present this translation solution. >>> >>> Failing this, the only suggestion is to take this draft to another >>> place, e.g. mboned and try its chances there. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Behcet >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:54 AM, wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> A new version taking into account comments received during >>> the WGLC has been submitted. The main changes are: >>>> >>>> * change the title >>>> * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and >>> the solution has been designed with DS-Lite in mind >>>> * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when >>> translation multicast addresses >>>> * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the >>> document but other tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future >>>> * update the security section with some discussions related >>> to scoping. >>>> * + other editorial changes. >>>> >>>> To view the detailed changes: >>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >> ticast-03 >>>> >>>> I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Med >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>>> De : softwires-bounces@ietf.org >>>>> [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de >>>>> internet-drafts@ietf.org >>>>> Envoyé : jeudi 23 août 2012 16:47 >>>>> À : i-d-announce@ietf.org >>>>> Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>>>> Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action: >>>>> draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >>>>> Internet-Drafts directories. >>>>> This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of >>> the IETF. >>>>> >>>>> Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services >>>>> to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network >>>>> Author(s) : Jacni Qin >>>>> Mohamed Boucadair >>>>> Christian Jacquenet >>>>> Yiu L. Lee >>>>> Qian Wang >>>>> Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>>>> Pages : 20 >>>>> Date : 2012-08-23 >>>>> >>>>> Abstract: >>>>> This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 >>>>> multicast >>>>> services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The >>>>> solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme >>>>> and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 >>>>> multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the >>>>> delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced >>>>> customers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast >>>>> >>>>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >>>>> >>>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >>>>> ticast-03 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Softwires mailing list >>>>> Softwires@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Softwires mailing list >>>> Softwires@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>> > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > From mark@townsley.net Fri Aug 24 12:52:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7B921F8467 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.487, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0bOtKy92nGIT for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD08621F8460 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:52:42 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAOHZN1CQ/khM/2dsb2JhbABFumWBB4IgAQEBAwEBAQEPARRHCwULC0YnMAYTIodlBguZLqARiwiGMWADlmmNGYFngmU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,304,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="76229189" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Aug 2012 19:52:41 +0000 Received: from ams-townsley-8913.cisco.com (ams-townsley-8913.cisco.com [10.55.23.164]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7OJqeLV011846; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:52:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Mark Townsley In-Reply-To: <5037A2AA.8000603@viagenie.ca> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:52:40 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <88899C0B-D878-4BAF-B875-C94F96A72980@townsley.net> References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> <5037A2AA.8000603@viagenie.ca> To: Simon Perreault X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:52:43 -0000 On Aug 24, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Simon Perreault wrote: > Le 2012-08-24 11:39, Wojciech Dec a =E9crit : >> Here's an idea: a restricted "profile" of MAP-E that would only >> allow hub-and-spoke, described in a separate RFC, would look = exactly >> like LW4o6, right? And it could be implemented stand-alone, = without >> all the mesh code. And it could be listed on an RFP. >>=20 >>=20 >> MAP already supports hub& spoke, as documented, and no it doesn't = look >> like LW4o6, since MAP allows the: >> 1. Ability to optimize the amount of configuration/rules required. Eg = 1 >> rule can cover millions of end points. >> 2. Ability to optimize traffic forwarding (which gets referred to as >> mesh mode). >=20 > Looks like my idea wasn't well understood. Let me try again... >=20 > RFC A: defines MAP as we know it. > RFC B: defines a hub-and-spoke only subset of MAP. refers to A. >=20 > My assumption is that RFC B would look very much like LW4o6. > An ISP needing only hub-and-spoke would cite RFC B in an RFP. The = vendor would be free to implement RFC B without full support for A. A = full implementation of RFC A would also implicitly be an implementation = of B. We cannot have a standards track protocol RFC coming out of softwires = for every manner in which a technology might show up in an RFP. This = simply does not scale. What we can have is as many informational use-case documents as v6ops is = willing to shepherd. =20 So, I suggest we let softwires produce as few standards-track = alternatives as possible for base technology that can be used to meet = the needs of as many operators as possible. If an operator wants to = share how that technology is used in a specific manner, tradeoffs made, = specific topologies and configuration, etc. via a BCP, Informational or = Experimental document in the operations area, fantastic! We need real = world feedback on how the technology is and is not being used. If an ISP = wants to reference said operations document as advice for how they = intend to use the softwires protocol in an RFP, that's fine too, but = let's try and keep *this* group focused on as few base technologies = (read: fewer standards track RFCs) as possible. - Mark >=20 > Just an idea, trying to find a way forward... >=20 > Simon > --=20 > DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca > NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca > STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From leaf.y.yeh@huawei.com Fri Aug 24 20:58:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE511E80A2 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.811 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.811 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.412, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_36=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l4EMSB3i7NIf for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9002B21F8527 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfwdlp03-ep.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id ALN00401; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:54:30 -0700 Received: from SZXEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.60) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:54:27 -0700 Received: from SZXEML510-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.119]) by szxeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:54:19 +0800 From: Leaf yeh To: Simon Perreault , "softwires@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E Thread-Index: AQHNe11izUKBcAMDg0mlQEKyqL0GLZdbWrAAgACL34CADK8w4A== Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:54:18 +0000 Message-ID: References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.83.152] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:58:21 -0000 Simon - Here's an idea: a restricted "profile" of MAP-E that would only all= ow=20 hub-and-spoke, described in a separate RFC, would look exactly like=20 LW4o6, right? I believe the 'F-flag' defined in section 4.2 of draft-ietf (MAP_DHCP, ver.= -00 or -01, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-map-dhcp/?= include_text=3D1 ) already make MAP to support H&S mode. If the BMR is set = with F-flag=3D0, that does mean H&S for MAP, because BMR will not be used f= or the packet forwarding...=20 Best Regards, Leaf -----Original Message----- From: softwires-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] On Beh= alf Of Simon Perreault Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 9:19 PM To: softwires@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E Le 2012-08-16 00:58, Maoke a =E9crit : > same view. some operator would like to deploy things only with > hub&spokes mode, it is fine. but for those who want to have mesh and > hub&spokes simultaneously, there is no reason that we need two solutions > especially when MAP has supported both. there is no need to limit MAP's > scope with "focusing on mesh". The elephant in the room is that a provider that only needs=20 hub-and-spoke doesn't want to pay for the needless (subjectively)=20 complexity of MAP. Here's an idea: a restricted "profile" of MAP-E that would only allow=20 hub-and-spoke, described in a separate RFC, would look exactly like=20 LW4o6, right? And it could be implemented stand-alone, without all the=20 mesh code. And it could be listed on an RFP. Simon --=20 DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Aug 27 19:04:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2FA21F84CD; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:04:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HAwvBYwTxi8B; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D7B21F84BF; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:04:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120828020445.22913.55680.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:04:45 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-04.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:04:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : Deployment Considerations for Dual-Stack Lite Author(s) : Yiu L. Lee Roberta Maglione Carl Williams Christian Jacquenet Mohamed Boucadair Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-04.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2012-08-27 Abstract: This document discusses the deployment issues and describes requirements for the deployment and operation of Dual-Stack Lite. This document describes the various deployment considerations and applicability of the Dual-Stack Lite architecture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From cuiyong@tsinghua.edu.cn Mon Aug 27 19:45:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6FC11E80A3 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:45:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.404 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.404 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_DSN=1.495, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qv4wdE9qyY+m for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn (smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn [166.111.8.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B95711E809B for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [1.203.199.1] (helo=[192.168.1.121]) by smtp.tsinghua.edu.cn with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T6Bo4-0003NI-RC for softwires@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:45:33 +0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.0.0.100825 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:45:30 +0800 From: Yong Cui To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Comments on 6rd Radius Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Softwires] Comments on 6rd Radius X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:45:36 -0000 Hi authors of 6rd Radius, When I reviewed this document again, there are some minor comments. 1. Line 6, Paragraph 1 of Section 1: should be =B36rd adopts Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) ...=B2 2. Line 4 of the paragraph below Fig 2, Section 3: The word =B3lifetimes=B2 should be =B3lifetime=B2. 3. The =B3Reserved=B2 part on Page 6, Section 4.1: To be compatible with other IPv6 prefix attributes in the Radius Protocol. =20 =B3RADIUS=B2 may be better than =B3Radius=B2. 4. The 2nd paragraph of Section 4.2: The word =B3meaning=B2 should be =B3meanings=B2? 5. Section 6, same RFC numbers show up twice. It=B9s better to simplify. Please take a look and revise accordingly if needed. Yong From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Aug 27 23:48:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAE621E804A; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:48:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GC+8in3ZPwpZ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87EE11E808E; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:48:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120828064819.32548.44944.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:48:19 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-06.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 06:48:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : RADIUS Attribute for 6rd Author(s) : Dayong Guo Sheng Jiang Remi Despres Roberta Maglione Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-06.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2012-08-27 Abstract: IPv6 Rapid Deployment (6rd) is one of the most popular methods to provide both IPv4 and IPv6 connectivity services simultaneously during the IPv4/IPv6 co-existing period. The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) 6rd option has been defined to configure 6rd Customer Edge (CE). However, in many networks, the configuration information may be stored in Authentication Authorization and Accounting (AAA) servers while user configuration is mainly from Broadband Network Gateway (BNG) through DHC protocol. This document defines a Remote Authentication Dial In User Service (RADIUS) attribute that carries 6rd configuration information from AAA server to BNG. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-06 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From jiangsheng@huawei.com Mon Aug 27 23:49:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0492411E80AE for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:49:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r+FhSqVLiYXV for ; 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Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:36:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vEIRRnirN-Wc; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6146311E80F4; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:36:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120828083642.25038.67847.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:36:42 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-03.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:36:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : Public IPv4 over IPv6 Access Network Author(s) : Yong Cui Jianping Wu Peng Wu Olivier Vautrin Yiu L. Lee Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-03.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2012-08-28 Abstract: When the service provider networks are upgraded to IPv6, end users will continue to demand IPv4 connectivity. This document proposes a mechanism for hosts or customer networks in IPv6 access network to build bidirectional IPv4 communication with the IPv4 Internet. The mechanism follows the hub and spokes softwire model, and uses IPv4- over-IPv6 tunnel as basic method to traverse IPv6 network. The bi- directionality of this IPv4 communication is achieved by explicitly allocating public IPv4 addresses to end users, as well as maintaining IPv4-IPv6 address binding on the border relay. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6 There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-03 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From pengwu.thu@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 02:01:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD11511E80FB for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:01:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sgzBZvp7aM5Y for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D909211E80F0 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so6135059vbb.31 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:01:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hALW6KiVGbpvMMcL9ptF4uw1NIOaZ4Y/KBndStZVPFA=; b=xbxEca77VrLLvut7bwlFgGY/APuucGibLWLqeULHLd3zMW6wUTygn4ZyyR6JXSkPbN inxl2kP1vXA0Bg4IT/xf+dQrsOQhnRUYidtODYqSiu2aAyvmhIv+X5pp9samcpNX4fpU YHRB7ZYnk9il8lIFouAlDVwEczT9GKDAFsjTK0xtjDHkxZBSJctySSASmL31kGl5LdDs bNuPkDp/U1lbMX/ec0xV+nrqU4ZLxXb6DnmmXWf5yzxgPcnk/aNo/ymfxsXGR5KCVYVL +Yxo+S0zjipUbfP/2jEGOodfs1UfOG23GNfRzXRUdHtu/M8f2tB6mpxuFI/PrvnLA7Ac wWUg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.175.130 with SMTP id ca2mr10950326vdc.112.1346144503216; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.35.168 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:01:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120828083642.25038.67847.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20120828083642.25038.67847.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:01:43 +0800 Message-ID: From: Peng Wu To: Softwires WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-03.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:01:44 -0000 Hi all, We have submitted the -03 version of the Public 4over6 draft. The revision is made according to the comments from the Vancouver Softwire meeting, as well as the offline discussions during the meeting. The updates include: restructuring the organization and writing of the document, mechanism adjustments to support the use case of provisioning IPv4 prefix to CE, terminology modification and substential edits. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:36 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Public IPv4 over IPv6 Access Network > Author(s) : Yong Cui > Jianping Wu > Peng Wu > Olivier Vautrin > Yiu L. Lee > Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-03.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2012-08-28 > > Abstract: > When the service provider networks are upgraded to IPv6, end users > will continue to demand IPv4 connectivity. This document proposes a > mechanism for hosts or customer networks in IPv6 access network to > build bidirectional IPv4 communication with the IPv4 Internet. The > mechanism follows the hub and spokes softwire model, and uses IPv4- > over-IPv6 tunnel as basic method to traverse IPv6 network. The bi- > directionality of this IPv4 communication is achieved by explicitly > allocating public IPv4 addresses to end users, as well as maintaining > IPv4-IPv6 address binding on the border relay. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6 > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-03 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-03 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires From jan@go6.si Tue Aug 28 03:46:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EB421F845A for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 03:46:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.206 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.206 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.618, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JzTBFBIIyTb0 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 03:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipv6.go6.si (unknown [212.44.108.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C6A21F8456 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 03:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [91.239.97.88] (unknown [91.239.97.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jan) by ipv6.go6.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390B322B40D9 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:45:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <503CA153.1070400@go6.si> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:45:39 +0200 From: "Jan Zorz @ go6.si" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwires@ietf.org References: <50219069.2040606@ericsson.com> <502CF345.5010407@viagenie.ca> <5037A2AA.8000603@viagenie.ca> <88899C0B-D878-4BAF-B875-C94F96A72980@townsley.net> In-Reply-To: <88899C0B-D878-4BAF-B875-C94F96A72980@townsley.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Softwires] Hub&Spoke of MAP-E X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:46:13 -0000 On 8/24/12 9:52 PM, Mark Townsley wrote: > We cannot have a standards track protocol RFC coming out of softwires > for every manner in which a technology might show up in an RFP. This > simply does not scale. +1 we need a procurement guidance document then how to use all of those :) Cheers, Jan From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Aug 28 06:14:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1D321E8034; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.558 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ddiVNFYnHq3H; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED9111E80CC; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120828131407.20754.46690.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 06:14:07 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-05.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:14:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : Deployment Considerations for Dual-Stack Lite Author(s) : Yiu L. Lee Roberta Maglione Carl Williams Christian Jacquenet Mohamed Boucadair Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2012-08-28 Abstract: This document discusses the deployment issues and describes requirements for the deployment and operation of Dual-Stack Lite. This document describes the various deployment considerations and applicability of the Dual-Stack Lite architecture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-05 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Tue Aug 28 20:48:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C5511E808A for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:48:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.576 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.576 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EbNX2FUPIJ6F for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8436E21F8505 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q7T3ntGS002485 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:49:56 -0500 Received: from [164.48.125.32] (147.117.20.214) by smtps-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.20.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.264.1; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:47:52 -0400 Message-ID: <503D90E1.9050900@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:47:45 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Softwires WG References: <4FD206D3.3010200@ericsson.com> <4FEB2D67.1010901@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4FEB2D67.1010901@ericsson.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Softwires] Confirmation of MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 03:48:00 -0000 Hi all, After going through the responses to the confirmation call, it was clear that the WG is overwhelmingly in favor of moving forward with MAP-E as the basis for the proposed standard stateless solution. We will work with the editor of MAP-E to get an initial draft out as early as possible. Thanks Suresh & Yong From shtsuchi@cisco.com Thu Aug 30 01:33:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B8A21F86BE for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:33:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_55=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_74=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZofsBLV+XA1s for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-4.cisco.com (ams-iport-4.cisco.com [144.254.224.147]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BAB21F86B9 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:33:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=shtsuchi@cisco.com; l=737; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1346315611; x=1347525211; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=XCk7KD8rBVAbXuDRhy/8S5bDxYy70y2ZRCgGFsjHytE=; b=lXMFhEzs/7GGA+bMHk9FkA8i/EHVFN5mNKMd1KGSKUnfjopiwrysWYYB MxXOTUOnM5Z9j8CprCOwggjHlteKlRiGCJUlExlieYthoLTPnVHicqmT0 sOnBbBr3eKOa7whZlyBuZsSvv4dAFzI9yz6uefN2TVQOGHcv8pmE/7mw3 w=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,338,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="7685672" Received: from ams-core-2.cisco.com ([144.254.72.75]) by ams-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Aug 2012 08:33:30 +0000 Received: from [10.141.32.140] (dhcp-10-141-32-140.cisco.com [10.141.32.140]) by ams-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7U8XSLj001392; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:33:29 GMT Message-ID: <503F2558.3080501@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:33:28 +0900 From: Shishio Tsuchiya User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwires@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Softwires] MAP-E interop/functionaly test by JANOG X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:33:32 -0000 WG JANOG(JApan Network Operator Group) has MAP-E interoperability test plan 24-26th October at Nagaoka,Niigata. When the previous JANOG meeting, we did test 4rd(draft-murakami-softwire-4rd) and I published the result as internet draft. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-janog-softwire-report-00 The documents includes -Implementation report of 3 vendors(FNSC,IIJ and IPinfusion) -IPv4 functionality over IPv6 Protocol level testing such as VPN and ICMP. Application level test such as messanger,VoIP and Video,we refered RFC6586. NAT verification tool result such as STUN and NAT-analyzer. -interoperability result If we have recommendation of test method on NAT environment , please let me know. Regards, -Shishio From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Aug 30 05:12:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6F521F8615; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:12:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.415 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.415 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.184, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dwy00PmrUzTU; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823E221F85C0; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:12:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120830121231.1545.94440.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:12:31 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-04.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:12:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : Motivations for Carrier-side Stateless IPv4 over IPv6 Mi= gration Solutions Author(s) : Mohamed Boucadair Satoru Matsushima Yiu Lee Olaf Bonness Isabel Borges Gang Chen Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2012-08-30 Abstract: IPv4 service continuity is one of the most pressing problems that must be resolved by Service Providers during the IPv6 transition period - especially after the exhaustion of the public IPv4 address space. Current standardization effort that addresses IPv4 service continuity focuses on stateful mechanisms. This document elaborates on the motivations for the need to undertake a companion effort to specify stateless IPv4 over IPv6 approaches. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivati= on There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motiva= tion-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Aug 30 09:04:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA43021F8598; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:04:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.162, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Z5NBVbB9FAh; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8292121F8594; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:04:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120830160417.24524.78667.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:04:17 -0700 Cc: softwires@ietf.org Subject: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-06.txt X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:04:23 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : Deployment Considerations for Dual-Stack Lite Author(s) : Yiu L. Lee Roberta Maglione Carl Williams Christian Jacquenet Mohamed Boucadair Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-06.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2012-08-30 Abstract: This document discusses the deployment issues and describes requirements for the deployment and operation of Dual-Stack Lite. This document describes the various deployment considerations and applicability of the Dual-Stack Lite architecture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-deployment-06 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 11:04:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C29F21F858A for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4aWXB8SU7z-n for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E6321F8585 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so4043949iab.31 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:04:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i77yK/La42ynQYCtoBFIGKTfcnq4Vw+H3CKpTbPCw+8=; b=Vr+XGMkf4CTLQbIj1IV212VmAHjad30S3MZOUA3S+wyKUrxSKE2xnRC2dV3LZZH9PN b29lxG38xruBQwrv0QQlDsnRY48Mvf7JxgnTbUMfrdchiNUBiJjtZU7LoJC3dC4c6w7T GqBeczU28wD6vB00TG2cfJPqbVywtma79dK3ohEy9yMV2uK71cV4Zu0QWGWw/VbTTUsp z0FeDt9N85mlU+4Pr7qDLHmNf88XQEytgyxgHQDj2p2oggRuIAvxGaUqlJXzXW3wZQB7 ARqEmNv9XB2V15m7z/JJNelwSuojXE99DlM8VPkkXX3VWW1cVz5CvGn9grhKOBttbYHK iV7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.159.226 with SMTP id xf2mr1682152igb.41.1346349854251; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.55.70 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:04:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120823144655.15571.5324.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A8E5@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F36E5332A92D@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:04:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Softwires-wg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: softwires wg discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:04:16 -0000 Hi all, It came to my attention that some words below in this mail was offensive. I apologize for the bad choice of the words. Civility first. Regards, Behcet On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Hi Med. > > Please see inline. > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:41 AM, wrote: >> Hi Behcet, >> >> I'm ready to record in the document whatever the WG agrees to do. But as= far as I know the solution which consists in encapsulating all multicast f= lows to the unicast AFTR has not been accepted by the working group. The dr= awbacks are even been documented in this draft. >> > > > The 3rd paragraph in the introduction should reference > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslitemulticast-01 > > and I would like this be a normative reference. > > Your evauation that follows paragraph 3 (with Points 1 and 2) are > quite biased and ill stated. As such it gives the impression of > Execution without trial? > > In fact draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslitemulticast does have a much > better evaluation of the so-called avalanche problem. > > Thank you for referring to this solution as DS-Lite environment. At > least it is DS-Lite environment and > draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 is not. > >> I'm aware of the tickets you opened. I already answered several times to= those issues by e-mail. >> >> I sincerely don't see what I can do more. >> > > I could not see anyplace where WG agreed on the changes you made, > basically pushed by one person. > > Please show me where there was WG consensus to do the revisions that way? > Is this the solution draft for DS-Lite multicast in Softwire WG? I > think it is a solution draft for draft-ietf-mboned-v4v6-mcast-ps, i.e. > for mboned. > > Regards, > > Behcet >> Cheers, >> Med >> >>>-----Message d'origine----- >>>De : Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com] >>>Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 ao=FBt 2012 21:33 >>>=C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP >>>Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>>Objet : Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >>> >>>Hi Med, >>> >>>Thanks for posting this revision but it seems like it has not solved >>>any problems but instead it created more problems :-). >>> >>>First, please see the two active tickets, >>> >>>ticket #10 >>>and >>>ticket #11 >>> >>>in the issue tracker: >>>http://tools.ietf.org/wg/softwire/trac/report/1 >>> >>>In addition, in Section 4.3, the draft all of a sudden deviates from >>>translation which is used all over and introduces encapsulation. >>>I had asked before in my mails, asking it again, why? You think that >>>translation of multicast data could not be used/does not work? Please >>>see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-behave-mcast4nat64-06 >>> >>>Section 5 might be containing immature text as the underlying draft >>>work has not yet been finalized. >>> >>>The right way to handle tickets # 10 & 11 >>>is >>> >>>first to include the encapsulation solution >>> >>>and next describe the drawbacks based on the application that you >>>consider and then >>> >>>next present this translation solution. >>> >>>Failing this, the only suggestion is to take this draft to another >>>place, e.g. mboned and try its chances there. >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Behcet >>> >>>On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:54 AM, wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> A new version taking into account comments received during >>>the WGLC has been submitted. The main changes are: >>>> >>>> * change the title >>>> * clarify the solution is generic for any 4-6-4 use case and >>>the solution has been designed with DS-Lite in mind >>>> * add a discussion about scoping: preserve the scope when >>>translation multicast addresses >>>> * add a note only IPv4-in-IPv6 encap is detailed in the >>>document but other tunnelling techniques may be defined in the future >>>> * update the security section with some discussions related >>>to scoping. >>>> * + other editorial changes. >>>> >>>> To view the detailed changes: >>>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >> ticast-03 >>>> >>>> I hope this version solve the concerns raised during the WGLC. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Med >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Message d'origine----- >>>>>De : softwires-bounces@ietf.org >>>>>[mailto:softwires-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de >>>>>internet-drafts@ietf.org >>>>>Envoy=E9 : jeudi 23 ao=FBt 2012 16:47 >>>>>=C0 : i-d-announce@ietf.org >>>>>Cc : softwires@ietf.org >>>>>Objet : [Softwires] I-D Action: >>>>>draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line >>>>>Internet-Drafts directories. >>>>> This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of >>>the IETF. >>>>> >>>>> Title : Delivery of IPv4 Multicast Services >>>>>to IPv4 Clients over an IPv6 Multicast Network >>>>> Author(s) : Jacni Qin >>>>> Mohamed Boucadair >>>>> Christian Jacquenet >>>>> Yiu L. Lee >>>>> Qian Wang >>>>> Filename : draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03.txt >>>>> Pages : 20 >>>>> Date : 2012-08-23 >>>>> >>>>>Abstract: >>>>> This document specifies a solution for the delivery of IPv4 >>>>>multicast >>>>> services to IPv4 clients over an IPv6 multicast network. The >>>>> solution relies upon a stateless IPv4-in-IPv6 encapsulation scheme >>>>> and uses the IPv6 multicast distribution tree to deliver IPv4 >>>>> multicast traffic. The solution is particularly useful for the >>>>> delivery of multicast service offerings to DS-Lite serviced >>>>> customers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast >>>>> >>>>>There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>>>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-03 >>>>> >>>>>A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-dslite-mul >>>>>ticast-03 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>>ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Softwires mailing list >>>>>Softwires@ietf.org >>>>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Softwires mailing list >>>> Softwires@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>>