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Bellovin" Received: from lucent.com by ans.ih.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.5 sol2) id HAA08493; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:54:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3EEEAC.2030006@lucent.com> From: Alec Brusilovsky Organization: Lucent Technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SPIRITS list Original-CC: "Steven M. Bellovin" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SPIRITS] IETF52 meeting notes Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:54:52 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ladies and Gentlemen, Please find below our meeting notes from the SPIRITS meeting on 12/11/01. These notes have to be submitted to the IETF prior to the 01/14/02 date. I would appreciate if you let Steve and myself know about any additions and/or changes before the deadline. Kind regards, Alec ****************** 52nd. IETF SPIRITS Working Group Meeting Notes Reported by Alec Brusilovsky. Recorded by Hui-Lan Lu and Zachary Zeltsan, who deserve sincerest gratitude from both co-chairs for performing an excellent job. SPIRITS WG met in the afternoon of Tuesday, December 11, 2001. There were 32 registered attendees. That unexpectedly low attendance is attributed to the unresolved scheduling conflict with the SIPPING WG. Chairs: Steve Bellovin, Alec Brusilovsky Agenda 1. Agenda bashing - 2 min. 2. Current status of SPIRITS Protocol Requirements - Informational RFC candidate - 3 min. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-spirits-reqs-02.txt 3. SIP Events Package for the SPIRITS protocol - discussion - Igor Faynberg - 15 min. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-spirits-sip-evt-package-01.txt 4. On XML generation and encoding of SPIRITS parameters - John-Luc Bakker - 12 min. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-unmehopa-spirits-parameter-generation-00.txt 5. On the outline of the SPIRITS Protocol document - discussion - 18 min. (Please see Vijay's proposed outline at the mailing list) 6. SCE utilizing SCML for SPIRITS services - John-Luc Bakker - 5 min. (only if time allows) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bakker-jain-scml-00.txt 7. Conclusions - 5 min. Agenda item 1: Chair (A.B.) went through the changes in the agenda and the agenda bashing. Proposed agenda was accepted without any changes or additions. Agenda Item 2: Issue: SPIRITS Protocol Requirements I-D has been returned from IESG for re-work. Recommendation: Resubmit the document with re-worded Abstract to the IESG in January. Agenda Item 3: Issue: Igor Faynberg presented are two options for building SPIRITS Event tree: 1. Full hierarchy table - further sub-package the INDPs, such that each DP corresponds to a unique package name, which has to be registered with IANA. 2. Move leaves to the body - to carry the specific DP information in the body of the SUBSCRIBE. Under this scheme, the set of DP names (OAA, CI, OA, etc.) is specified in the XML DTD so that no deviation from these is possible. Recommendation: Going ahead with the second option will allow to specify the SPIRITS protocol without new SIP header. That alone will insure faster completion of the specifications. Thus, from a non-tecnical point of view the second option is preferred. Agenda Item 4: Objective: automatically generate XML to transparently produce data type and parameters definitions. Issues: ASN.1 -to-XML and IDL to XML generation using standard language mappings and tools. Question: Conversion and generation is not relevant to the protocol. Why XML generation is important for spirits? Answer: Truly, ASN.1 -to-XML conversion is not a part of the SPIRITS protocol. However, SPIRITS protocol cannot be successfully adopted by the developers' community without specifying standard language mappings and tools. Therefore, it is relevant. Recommendations to be discussed on the mailing list: 1. XML schema instead of DTD for the Spirits 2. Intermediate step generation XML schema via DTD Agenda Item 5: There were no additions or changes to the proposed Protocol document outline. Agenda Item 6: Due to lack of time this item is to be discussed on the mailing list Agenda Item 7: Conclusions. Both chairs asked meeting participants, interested in contributing to the Protocol Document, to send private E-mails Other: Lawrence Conroy requested time to discuss PINT position with regards to the updated SIP SUBSCRIBE/NOTIFY. Due to the importance of PINT compatibility with the SPIRITS protocol the request was granted. Action: PINT editors will produce report on what should be done with PINT to ensure its compatibility with SUBSCRIBE/NOTIFY. That report will be published for discussion on the PINT, SPRITS and SIP mailing lists. Respectfully submitted, Alec Brusilovsky _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Thu Jan 17 18:47:55 2002 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15744 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0HNc1o29088; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:38:02 -0500 Received: from crufty.research.bell-labs.com (crufty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.49]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0HNbBo29075 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:37:11 -0500 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com ([135.104.27.211]) by crufty; Thu Jan 17 18:30:27 EST 2002 Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id 263444439E; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:22:27 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from ih2mail.ih.lucent.com (ih2mail.ih.lucent.com [135.1.241.39]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBDD4439D for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from lucent.com by ih2mail.ih.lucent.com (8.8.8+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id RAA13667; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:22:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C475CB5.C533BDCA@lucent.com> From: Alec Brusilovsky Organization: Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "iesg-secretary@ietf.org" , Scott Bradner , Allison Mankin , SPIRITS list Cc: "iesg-secretary@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B19569CFFC024EC4D7BD0B59" Subject: [SPIRITS] Re-submission of the SPIRITS Requirements draft v.3 for Informational RFC Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:22:29 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B19569CFFC024EC4D7BD0B59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allison, Scott, Ladies and Gentlemen of the SPIRITS WG, According to Section 7.5 of RFC 2418, SPIRITS chairmen are submitting the SPIRITS Requirements draft v.3 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-spirits-reqs-03.txt for the IESG consideration on the subject of approval its publication as an Informational RFC. Background: This I-D was initially submitted on 6/25/2001. On 9/20/2001 IESG responded with two issues/comments. On 10/19/01 I-D was re-submitted to the IESG with corrections, however on 11/05/01 IESG responded asking for more clarifications. It looks like this iteration of the I-D has all IESG comments addressed, and I am happy to re-submit the v.3 of the I-D on behalf of its authors. Current version of the SPIRITS Requirements I-D was posted to the IETF directory on 01/17/2001 and has all of the issues raised by IESG resolved. 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