From extest-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Sat Jun 1 05:24:16 2002 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA12270 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g519OhN06129 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:24:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:24:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200206010924.g519OhN06129@share.research.bell-labs.com> Subject: lists.bell-labs.com mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner@lists.bell-labs.com To: spirits-archive@ietf.org X-No-Archive: yes X-Ack: no Sender: extest-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: extest-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: extest@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your lists.bell-labs.com mailing list memberships. 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Passwords for spirits-archive@lists.ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- spirits@lists.bell-labs.com unmora http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/options/spirits/spirits-archive%40lists.ietf.org From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Wed Jun 12 06:20:49 2002 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA21647 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5CAL2211134; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:21:02 -0400 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5C8e8210594 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:40:08 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5C8eF6R064595 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id 62B3D4439E; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from grubby.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.9]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231534439D for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dusty.research.bell-labs.com (dusty.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.7]) by grubby.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5C8e1o06117 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hindon.hss.co.in ([202.54.26.202]) by dusty; Wed Jun 12 04:34:55 EDT 2002 Received: from ultra.hss.co.in (ultra.hss.hns.com [192.168.100.5]) by hindon.hss.co.in (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g5C8ecY15141 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:43 +0530 (IST) Received: from sandesh.hss.hns.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra.hss.co.in (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g5C8ese16788 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:55 +0530 (IST) Received: by sandesh.hss.hns.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 65256BD6.002F4928 ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:06:29 +0530 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HSS From: ucbabu@hss.hns.com To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Message-ID: <65256BD6.002F485B.00@sandesh.hss.hns.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [SPIRITS] help Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:09:01 +0530 hi, I wanted to know if there is any draft specifying how to invoke a spirit service. My question is, how does one know that, the subscriber is BUSY because he is connected to the Internet or he is BUSY because he is talking on the phone? Is the SSF going to decide or SCF has to decide depending on the subscriber? At SCF will there be CALL WAITING and INTERNET CALL WAITING as two different services? If so how to distinguish? thanks UCB DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to Hughes Software Systems Limited (HSS) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. HSS accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus. _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Wed Jun 12 09:59:35 2002 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28505 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5CE02212146; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:00:02 -0400 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5CDx2212124 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:59:02 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CDx96R066905 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id 405354439E; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6014439D for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ih2mail.ih.lucent.com (ih2mail.ih.lucent.com [135.1.241.39]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5CDwtk52126 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucent.com by ih2mail.ih.lucent.com (8.8.8+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id IAA04327; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:58:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D07539B.1050207@lucent.com> From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Lucent Technologies, Inc./Bell Laboratories User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0rc1) Gecko/20020417 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucbabu@hss.hns.com Cc: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] help References: <65256BD6.002F485B.00@sandesh.hss.hns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:58:51 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ucbabu@hss.hns.com wrote: > > hi, > > I wanted to know if there is any draft specifying > how to invoke a spirit service. > > My question is, how does one know that, the subscriber > is BUSY because he is connected to the Internet or he > is BUSY because he is talking on the phone? Different triggers could be used for different services. > At SCF will there be CALL WAITING and INTERNET CALL WAITING > as two different services? Most certainly. > If so how to distinguish? With reference to CS2, Termination_Attempt DP could be used for Internet Call Waiting service and T_Busy DP could be used for the busy condition. Hope that helps. Regards, - vijay -- Vijay K. Gurbani vkg@{lucent.com,research.bell-labs.com,acm.org} Wireless Networks Group/Internet Software and Services Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs Innovations, 2000 Lucent Lane, Rm 6G-440 Naperville, Illinois 60566 Voice: +1 630 224 0216 _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Wed Jun 12 11:15:43 2002 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00875 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5CFG2212503; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:16:02 -0400 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5CFFa212489 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:15:36 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CFFg6R067916 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id D37644439E; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from grubby.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.9]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD40A4439D for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dusty.research.bell-labs.com (dusty.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.7]) by grubby.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5CFFTo34115 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hindon.hss.co.in ([202.54.26.202]) by dusty; Wed Jun 12 11:10:20 EDT 2002 Received: from ultra.hss.co.in (ultra.hss.hns.com [192.168.100.5]) by hindon.hss.co.in (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g5CFG5Y15697 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:46:05 +0530 (IST) Received: from sandesh.hss.hns.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra.hss.co.in (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g5CFGKg18102 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:46:21 +0530 (IST) Received: by sandesh.hss.hns.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 65256BD6.00537DC1 ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:41:56 +0530 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HSS From: ucbabu@hss.hns.com To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Message-ID: <65256BD6.00537CBA.00@sandesh.hss.hns.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [SPIRITS] help Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:44:26 +0530 hi, I have gone through the document draft-ietf-spirits-protocol-01.txt April 2002. with reference to that document i have one dought. In the sample call flow (FIG:2) The "subscriber" when connected to the internet subscribes to the IN Termination_Attemp_DP. Then the SIP SUBSCRIBE request identifying that DP is sent to the Gateway. and thereby Notifier sends the Arm DP to the SCF. My question is "Termination_Attemp_DP" is already statically armed at SSF when the user is subscribed to that particular service and its also a TDP. So it cant be armed Dynamically. So, why its like this.? Is he doing to inform the SCF that the SPIRIT SERVER is alive and not to arm the DP? when will the SPIRIT Service be invoked? will it be when the InitialDP comes from the SSF (with respect to IN ) or the subscriber himself is going to activate the service and then the serivice is going to wait for the InitialDP? thanks and regards UCB DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to Hughes Software Systems Limited (HSS) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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HSS accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus. _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Wed Jun 12 23:04:39 2002 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA20662 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5D351215960; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:05:01 -0400 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5D34F215941 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:04:15 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5D34K6R074427 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id 190FC4439E; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E194D4439D for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotair.hobl.lucent.com (hotair.hobl.lucent.com [199.118.135.2]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5D348k19196 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bell-labs.com by hotair.hobl.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.5 sol2) id XAA10913; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3D080B9E.8C6B25B6@bell-labs.com> From: Igor Faynberg Reply-To: faynberg@lucent.com Organization: Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD EMS-1.5 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ucbabu@hss.hns.com Cc: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] help References: <65256BD6.002F485B.00@sandesh.hss.hns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:03:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ucbabu@hss.hns.com wrote: > > hi, > > I wanted to know if there is any draft specifying > how to invoke a spirit service. > > My question is, how does one know that, the subscriber > is BUSY because he is connected to the Internet or he > is BUSY because he is talking on the phone? > > Is the SSF going to decide or SCF has to decide depending on > the subscriber? The SSF is not expected to perform any action based on its knowledge of the connection type. It is the SCF that will know what is happening. > > At SCF will there be CALL WAITING and INTERNET CALL WAITING > as two different services? Precisely. > > If so how to distinguish? By the telephone number in use, for example, or some other parameter. Igor > > thanks > UCB > > DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to Hughes Software Systems > Limited (HSS) and is intended solely for the use of the individual > to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential > information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other > than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, > please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, > copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. HSS accepts > no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information > transmitted by this email including damage from virus. > > _______________________________________________ > SPIRITS mailing list > SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Thu Jun 13 07:46:41 2002 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08181 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DBl1218400; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:47:01 -0400 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DBkJ218387 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:46:19 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5DBkN6R077549 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id 00E204439E; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from grubby.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.9]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B0C4439D for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dusty.research.bell-labs.com (dusty.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.7]) by grubby.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5DBkCo19143 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cvis153.mail.marconicomms.com ([128.87.251.103]) by dusty; Thu Jun 13 07:41:01 EDT 2002 Received: from cvis05.marconicomms.com (unverified) by cvis156.mail.marconicomms.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with SMTP id ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:24:26 +0100 Received: from cvdgwy01.uk.marconicomms.com by cvis05.marconicomms.com with ESMTP (8.10.2+Sun/cvms-36) id g5DBONB16820; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:24:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] help To: faynberg@lucent.com Cc: "ucbabu" , "spirits" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: "Jane Humphrey" X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CVDGWY01/S/EXT/MC1(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 13/06/2002 12:24:18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:24:24 +0100 Igor, I am not sure that I follow your response, please clarify ...... see below, my comments are marked 'JH' Jane Marconi Communications Igor Faynberg @lists.bell-labs.com on 13/06/2002 04:03:58 Please respond to faynberg@lucent.com Sent by: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com To: ucbabu@hss.hns.com cc: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] help ucbabu@hss.hns.com wrote: > > hi, > > I wanted to know if there is any draft specifying > how to invoke a spirit service. > > My question is, how does one know that, the subscriber > is BUSY because he is connected to the Internet or he > is BUSY because he is talking on the phone? > > Is the SSF going to decide or SCF has to decide depending on > the subscriber? The SSF is not expected to perform any action based on its knowledge of the connection type. It is the SCF that will know what is happening. JH - but only in the context of the call that has triggered the busy condition. It will not know the details of the call which is causing the busy condition i.e A calls B, B is busy on a call to C, the SCP will not know the details of the B-C call so will not be able to identify the reason for busy. It is only the ICW server that can actually determine the reason for busy. > > At SCF will there be CALL WAITING and INTERNET CALL WAITING > as two different services? Precisely. > > If so how to distinguish? By the telephone number in use, for example, or some other parameter. JH - In my understanding, this would not be the SCP service logic as it does not have access to the information. Igor > > thanks > UCB > > DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to Hughes Software Systems > Limited (HSS) and is intended solely for the use of the individual > to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential > information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other > than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, > please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, > copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. HSS accepts > no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information > transmitted by this email including damage from virus. > > _______________________________________________ > SPIRITS mailing list > SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Thu Jun 13 15:16:39 2002 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26904 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DJH2221173; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:17:02 -0400 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DJGt221160 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:16:55 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5DJGw6R082991 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id D16254439E; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A879B4439D for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotair.hobl.lucent.com (hotair.hobl.lucent.com [199.118.135.2]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5DJGmk87437 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bell-labs.com by hotair.hobl.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.5 sol2) id PAA19073; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:17:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3D08EF99.D0FD7A5D@bell-labs.com> From: Igor Faynberg Reply-To: faynberg@lucent.com Organization: Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD EMS-1.5 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Humphrey Cc: faynberg@lucent.com, ucbabu , spirits Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:16:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jane, First, I am very happy to hear from YOU. Second, I completely agree with your comments. I knew I ventured into the gray area, when I started to put pressure on the SCF awareness. Maybe I was hurrying too much to respond--and it was pretty late last night. (But then I feel very guilty that I am not puting enough time into SPIRITS.) I think on the SSF side, we have no difference of opinion. The SCF side is where we might have one. One way to implement things transparent to the SCF is to implement at the SSF.CCF a trigger criterion on specific strings. Then the SCF would know that this specific trigger comes because of the Internet call. So, we have at least one implementation possibility which would not pressure the SCF into knowing too much. But, I think that in the same way the SCF would know about the Internet off-load or line/trunk monitoring information [you may remember this infinite discussion in SG 11 13 years ago], it should be able to know about a specific call in progress. I am pretty sure CS-2 had this option, but I don't remember a particular subset of parameters that could be worked to provide this information. So, the monitoring information would then be stored in the SCF database. Granted, since the SCF and SPIRITS client typically share the same machine, one could argue that this information belongs in the SPIRITS client table, not the SCF one. (In fact, maybe it should even be part of a SPIRITS MIB.) Do I make sense? Igor Jane Humphrey wrote: > > Igor, > > I am not sure that I follow your response, please clarify ...... see below, > my comments are marked 'JH' > > Jane > > Marconi Communications > > Igor Faynberg @lists.bell-labs.com on 13/06/2002 > 04:03:58 > > Please respond to faynberg@lucent.com > > Sent by: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com > > To: ucbabu@hss.hns.com > cc: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com > > Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] help > > ucbabu@hss.hns.com wrote: > > > > hi, > > > > I wanted to know if there is any draft specifying > > how to invoke a spirit service. > > > > My question is, how does one know that, the subscriber > > is BUSY because he is connected to the Internet or he > > is BUSY because he is talking on the phone? > > > > Is the SSF going to decide or SCF has to decide depending on > > the subscriber? > > The SSF is not expected to perform any action based on its knowledge of > the connection type. It is the SCF that will know what is happening. > > JH - but only in the context of the call that has triggered the busy > condition. It will not know the details of the call which is causing the > busy condition i.e A calls B, B is busy on a call to C, the SCP will not > know the details of the B-C call so will not be able to identify the reason > for busy. It is only the ICW server that can actually determine the reason > for busy. > > > > > At SCF will there be CALL WAITING and INTERNET CALL WAITING > > as two different services? > > Precisely. > > > > > If so how to distinguish? > > By the telephone number in use, for example, or some other parameter. > > JH - In my understanding, this would not be the SCP service logic as it > does not have access to the information. > > Igor > > > > > thanks > > UCB > > > > DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to Hughes Software Systems > > Limited (HSS) and is intended solely for the use of the individual > > to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential > > information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other > > than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, > > please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended > > recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, > > copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. HSS > accepts > > no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the > information > > transmitted by this email including damage from virus. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SPIRITS mailing list > > SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com > > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits > _______________________________________________ > SPIRITS mailing list > SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits > > _______________________________________________ > SPIRITS mailing list > SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Sun Jun 30 23:55:34 2002 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA19533 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g613u2212003; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:56:02 -0400 Received: from crufty.research.bell-labs.com (ns2.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.49]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g613tk211990 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:55:46 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by crufty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g613tkCT071827 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id EE5874439E; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5374439D for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ih2mail.ih.lucent.com (ih2mail.ih.lucent.com [135.1.241.39]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g613tdk42193 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucent.com by ih2mail.ih.lucent.com (8.8.8+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id WAA12806; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:55:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D1FD2B1.90008@lucent.com> From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Lucent Technologies, Inc./Bell Laboratories User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0rc1) Gecko/20020417 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SPIRITS list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SPIRITS] Updated I-D for SPIRITS protocol Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:55:29 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I have submitted an update to the SPIRITS Protocol I-D. Until it appears in the IETF archives, you can get a copy from: http://www.iit.edu/~gurbvij/I-D/draft-ietf-spirits-protocol-02.txt Major changes are removal of Appendix A and B (which contained XML DTDs for the IN parameters), addition of a new section devoted to ICW, and some cosmetic changes. Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. Gurbani vkg@{lucent.com,research.bell-labs.com,acm.org} Wireless Networks Group/Internet Software and Services Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs Innovations, 2000 Lucent Lane, Rm 6G-440 Naperville, Illinois 60566 Voice: +1 630 224 0216 _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits