From nobody Fri Feb 6 12:49:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D76D1A885C; Fri, 6 Feb 2015 12:47:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GADdvPD0hN_l; Fri, 6 Feb 2015 12:47:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF4B1A8852; Fri, 6 Feb 2015 12:47:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: "IETF Announcement List" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150206204732.25631.83128.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:47:32 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:49:23 -0800 Cc: ietf@trammell.ch, mirjak@tik.ee.ethz.ch, jhildebr@cisco.com, spud@ietf.org Subject: [Spud] New Non-WG Mailing List: Spud -- Session Protocol Underneath Datagrams X-BeenThere: spud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Session Protocol Underneath Datagrams List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 20:47:33 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: spud@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/spud/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spud Purpose: The deployment of new transport protocols as well as the extension of existing IETF-defined transport protocols faces the continuing challenge of how to make these protocols robust against packet and flow modification in the Internet at the hands of middleboxes. The increasing deployment of these packet modifications have made expectations about packet handling behaviors implicit. For example, a TCP packet with the SYN and ACK flags set not only synchronizes sequence numbers and set up state on both endpoints for a TCP connection (its explicit meaning), it also confirms network address translation (NAT) mappings along the path as well as signifying to any firewalls along the path that the endpoint has accepted the connection (implicit meanings). One strategy to resolve this tussle, identified and discussed during the recent IAB workshop on Stack Evolution in a Middlebox Internet (SEMI), would be to provide a mechanism for applications at the end as well as boxes along the path to explicitly declare their assumptions and intentions. This list is for discussion of the definition of such a mechanism, as part of a pre-WG activity to determine what can be done. For additional information, please contact the list administrators. 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Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:22:25 +0100 From: "Philipp S. Schmidt" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:23:01 +0100 To: "spud@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Subject: [Spud] Interactions between SPUD and I2NSF X-BeenThere: spud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Session Protocol Underneath Datagrams List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:23:21 -0000 Hi, as a response to our position paper at IAB SEMI workshop, I was aksed to comment on the not-yet-cartered I2NSF WG (Interface to Network Security = Functions). I see a lot of overlap between the "service layer" defined in = [draft-dunbar-i2nsf-problem-statement], but I am a little shaken between = have an =E2=80=9Cjoint approach=E2=80=9D the complexity the whole = frameing of I2NSF implies. AVE! Philipp S. 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Schmidt" , "spud@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Spud] Interactions between SPUD and I2NSF Thread-Index: AQHQRU4CzEpRshcNjEO5dhukE9/BC5zqkn4A Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 00:13:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.238.44.129] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd52.lss.emc.com X-RSA-Classifications: public Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Spud] Interactions between SPUD and I2NSF X-BeenThere: spud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Session Protocol Underneath Datagrams List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 00:13:55 -0000 UGhpbGlwcCwNCg0KPiBhcyBhIHJlc3BvbnNlIHRvIG91ciBwb3NpdGlvbiBwYXBlciBhdCBJQUIg U0VNSSB3b3Jrc2hvcCwgSSB3YXMgYXNrZWQgdG8NCj4gY29tbWVudCBvbiB0aGUgbm90LXlldC1j aGFydGVyZWQgSTJOU0YgV0cgKEludGVyZmFjZSB0byBOZXR3b3JrIFNlY3VyaXR5DQo+IEZ1bmN0 aW9ucykuDQo+DQo+IEkgc2VlIGEgbG90IG9mIG92ZXJsYXAgYmV0d2VlbiB0aGUgInNlcnZpY2Ug bGF5ZXIiIGRlZmluZWQgaW4gW2RyYWZ0LWR1bmJhci0NCj4gaTJuc2YtcHJvYmxlbS1zdGF0ZW1l bnRdLCBidXQgSSBhbSBhIGxpdHRsZSBzaGFrZW4gYmV0d2VlbiBoYXZlIGFuIOKAnGpvaW50DQo+ IGFwcHJvYWNo4oCdIHRoZSBjb21wbGV4aXR5IHRoZSB3aG9sZSBmcmFtaW5nIG9mIEkyTlNGIGlt cGxpZXMuDQoNCldoYXQgc29ydCBvZiAiam9pbnQgYXBwcm9hY2giIGlzIGludm9sdmVkPw0KDQpN eSByZWFzb24gZm9yIGFza2luZyBpcyB0aGF0IHRoZSBwcm9wb3NlZCBJMk5TRiBjaGFydGVyOiAN CglodHRwOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL21haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS93ZWIvaTJuc2YvY3VycmVudC9tc2cw MDI0NS5odG1sDQoNCmNvbnRhaW5zIHRoaXMgY2xlYXIgc2VudGVuY2U6DQoNCglJdCBpcyBhIG5v bi1nb2FsIHRvIGNyZWF0ZSBuZXcgcHJvdG9jb2xzIG9yIGRhdGEgbW9kZWxpbmcgbGFuZ3VhZ2Vz IGZvciBJMk5TRiBpbnRlcmZhY2VzLg0KDQpPYnZpb3VzbHksIEkyTlNGIGlzIGNvbmNlcm5lZCB3 aXRoIGZpcmV3YWxscywgYW5kIHB1bmNoaW5nIHBpbmhvbGVzIGluIGF0IGxlYXN0DQpmaXJld2Fs bHMgYW5kIE5BVHMgYXJlIHRoaW5ncyB0aGF0IFNQVUQgbmVlZHMgdG8gYmUgY29uY2VybmVkIGFi b3V0LCBidXQgaXMNCnRoZXJlIG1vcmU/DQoNCkF0IHRoZSBvdGhlciBleHRyZW1lLCB0aGUgZGVz aWduIG9mIFNQVUQgc2hvdWxkIG5vdCB0b3VjaCB0aGUgSTJOU0Ygc2VydmljZSBsYXllciwNCmFn YWluIHF1b3RpbmcgZnJvbSB0aGUgSTJOU0YgZHJhZnQgY2hhcnRlcjoNCg0KCVRoZSBTZWN1cml0 eSBTZXJ2aWNlIGFuZCBQb2xpY3kgTGF5ZXIgaXMgZm9yIGNsaWVudHMgdG8gZXhwcmVzcyBhbmQg bW9uaXRvcg0KCQlzZWN1cml0eSBwb2xpY2llcyBmb3IgdGhlaXIgc3BlY2lmaWMgZmxvd3MuDQoN CldlIHNob3VsZCBsZWF2ZSB0aGF0IHNvcnQgb2Ygc2VjdXJpdHkgdG8gdGhlIHNlY3VyaXR5IGV4 cGVydHMsIGFuZCBob3BlIHRoYXQgdGhleQ0KbGVhdmUgdHJhbnNwb3J0IHRvIHRoZSB0cmFuc3Bv cnQgZXhwZXJ0cyA7LSkuDQoNCkFuZCBpZiBhbnlvbmUgZnJvbSB0aGUgSUVTRyBpcyBsdXJraW5n IG9uIHRoaXMgbGlzdCwgaGVyZSdzIG9uZSBtb3JlIGV4YW1wbGUgb2YNCndoeSBBcmVhcyBtYXR0 ZXIgdG8gdGhlIHN0cnVjdHVyZSBvZiB0aGUgSUVURi4NCg0KVGhhbmtzLA0KLS1EYXZpZA0KDQoN Cj4gLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCj4gRnJvbTogU3B1ZCBbbWFpbHRvOnNwdWQt Ym91bmNlc0BpZXRmLm9yZ10gT24gQmVoYWxmIE9mIFBoaWxpcHAgUy4gU2NobWlkdA0KPiBTZW50 OiBUdWVzZGF5LCBGZWJydWFyeSAxMCwgMjAxNSAxMToyMyBBTQ0KPiBUbzogc3B1ZEBpZXRmLm9y Zw0KPiBTdWJqZWN0OiBbU3B1ZF0gSW50ZXJhY3Rpb25zIGJldHdlZW4gU1BVRCBhbmQgSTJOU0YN Cj4gDQo+IEhpLA0KPiANCj4gYXMgYSByZXNwb25zZSB0byBvdXIgcG9zaXRpb24gcGFwZXIgYXQg SUFCIFNFTUkgd29ya3Nob3AsIEkgd2FzIGFrc2VkIHRvDQo+IGNvbW1lbnQgb24gdGhlIG5vdC15 ZXQtY2FydGVyZWQgSTJOU0YgV0cgKEludGVyZmFjZSB0byBOZXR3b3JrIFNlY3VyaXR5DQo+IEZ1 bmN0aW9ucykuDQo+IA0KPiBJIHNlZSBhIGxvdCBvZiBvdmVybGFwIGJldHdlZW4gdGhlICJzZXJ2 aWNlIGxheWVyIiBkZWZpbmVkIGluIFtkcmFmdC1kdW5iYXItDQo+IGkybnNmLXByb2JsZW0tc3Rh dGVtZW50XSwgYnV0IEkgYW0gYSBsaXR0bGUgc2hha2VuIGJldHdlZW4gaGF2ZSBhbiDigJxqb2lu dA0KPiBhcHByb2FjaOKAnSB0aGUgY29tcGxleGl0eSB0aGUgd2hvbGUgZnJhbWVpbmcgb2YgSTJO U0YgaW1wbGllcy4NCj4gDQo+IEFWRSENCj4gICBQaGlsaXBwIFMuIFNjaG1pZHQgLyBwaGlsc+KA pg0KPiAtLQ0KPiAgICB7cGhpbHN9LS0tPi0tLShwaGlsc0Bpbi1wYW5pay5kZSktLS0+LS0tKGh0 dHA6Ly9waGlscy5pbi1wYW5pay5kZSktLS0tLA0KPiAgICAgICB3ZW5uIHcgZWluZSAgIGF1YmUg aXN0IGRuICAgICAgbWFuIGF1IGRyYW4gZHJlIGVuICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIHwNCj4gICAg ICAgICAgICBvICAgICBTY2hyICAgICAgICBhbiBtdXNzICAgICBoYyAgICAgICAgIGggICAoS3Vy dCBTY2h3aXR0ZXJzKSB8DQo+IDp3cSEgIDwtLS0ocGhvbmU6ICs0OS0xNzktNjczNzQzOSktLS08 LS0tKGphYmJlcjogcGhpbHNAamFiYmVyLmNjYy5kZSktLS0nDQo+IA0KPiBfX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KPiBTcHVkIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdA0K PiBTcHVkQGlldGYub3JnDQo+IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8v c3B1ZA0K From nobody Wed Feb 11 00:53:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7151A8547 for ; 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Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:52:26 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: "Philipp S. Schmidt" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:53:03 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3086E826-08EC-47F5-9AF0-4AAAC99CB364@in-panik.de> References: To: "Black, David" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: "spud@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Spud] Interactions between SPUD and I2NSF X-BeenThere: spud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Session Protocol Underneath Datagrams List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:53:12 -0000 Hi David, > On 11.02.2015, at 01:13, Black, David wrote: >=20 > Philipp, >=20 >> as a response to our position paper at IAB SEMI workshop, I was asked = to >> comment on the not-yet-chartered I2NSF WG (Interface to Network = Security >> Functions). >>=20 >> I see a lot of overlap between the "service layer" defined in = [draft-dunbar- >> i2nsf-problem-statement], but I am a little shaken between have an = =E2=80=9Cjoint >> approach=E2=80=9D the complexity the whole framing of I2NSF implies. >=20 > What sort of "joint approach" is involved? A "joint approach=E2=80=9D would in my opinion mean making sure = terminology and mental model of the network fit, and allow I2NSF to use SUPD as an example for a protocol implementing their Security Service and Policy = Layer. > My reason for asking is that the proposed I2NSF charter:=20 > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/i2nsf/current/msg00245.html >=20 > contains this clear sentence: >=20 > It is a non-goal to create new protocols or data modeling = languages for I2NSF interfaces. >=20 > Obviously, I2NSF is concerned with firewalls, and punching pinholes in = at least > firewalls and NATs are things that SPUD needs to be concerned about, = but is > there more? >=20 > At the other extreme, the design of SPUD should not touch the I2NSF = service layer, > again quoting from the I2NSF draft charter: >=20 > The Security Service and Policy Layer is for clients to express = and monitor > security policies for their specific flows. Which is - in my opinion - a clear distinction where the interfaces = _could_ be. > We should leave that sort of security to the security experts, and = hope that they > leave transport to the transport experts ;-). >=20 > And if anyone from the IESG is lurking on this list, here's one more = example of > why Areas matter to the structure of the IETF. Sorry - I am quite new to the IETF - I just did not want to miss an = opportunity to bring people together that work on closely related topics (and = admittingly=20 get a feeling how where to put I2NSF in my personal mental model).=20 AVE! Philipp S. Schmidt / phils=E2=80=A6 --=20 = {phils}--->---(phils@in-panik.de)--->---(http://phils.in-panik.de)----, wenn w eine aube ist dn man au dran dre en = | o Schr an muss hc h (Kurt = Schwitters) | :wq! <---(phone: +49-179-6737439)---<---(jabber: = phils@jabber.ccc.de)---' From nobody Wed Feb 11 06:44:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64821A893A for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 06:44:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DlWN4-ue3bz2 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 06:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailuogwdur.emc.com (mailuogwdur.emc.com [128.221.224.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FEEF1A8931 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 06:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from maildlpprd55.lss.emc.com (maildlpprd55.lss.emc.com [10.106.48.159]) by mailuogwprd51.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id t1BEiN0V030082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:44:24 -0500 X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd51.lss.emc.com t1BEiN0V030082 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=emc.com; s=jan2013; t=1423665864; bh=lxlZplmjDkp/TlT2L5K9vS/JuSA=; h=From:To:CC:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=icooWJBtKlfiDLq5P6l8xg0kyZ1w1LrCIHWyp77YE8ixawic0i1H8U6OlnKqjnrKA KcldyzbLk3eUWGPfaDFwQPVyBrm8W8c1GTngA6uv7MC1TzMeQ/7oTXOI4OEEIqEMfu uoL/IpuxD38clYRhY6mTgzAjgx0iUVfpItoLZKCk= X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd51.lss.emc.com t1BEiN0V030082 Received: from mailusrhubprd51.lss.emc.com (mailusrhubprd51.lss.emc.com [10.106.48.24]) by maildlpprd55.lss.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:44:08 -0500 Received: from mxhub10.corp.emc.com (mxhub10.corp.emc.com [10.254.92.105]) by mailusrhubprd51.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id t1BEi1IL027081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:44:08 -0500 Received: from MXHUB102.corp.emc.com (10.253.58.15) by mxhub10.corp.emc.com (10.254.92.105) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.327.1; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:44:05 -0500 Received: from MX104CL02.corp.emc.com ([169.254.8.236]) by MXHUB102.corp.emc.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:44:06 -0500 From: "Black, David" To: "Philipp S. Schmidt" Thread-Topic: [Spud] Interactions between SPUD and I2NSF Thread-Index: AQHQRU4CzEpRshcNjEO5dhukE9/BC5zqkn4AgADnAYCAAAPJEA== Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:44:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3086E826-08EC-47F5-9AF0-4AAAC99CB364@in-panik.de> In-Reply-To: <3086E826-08EC-47F5-9AF0-4AAAC99CB364@in-panik.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.238.44.129] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd51.lss.emc.com X-RSA-Classifications: public Archived-At: Cc: "Black, David" , "spud@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Spud] Interactions between SPUD and I2NSF X-BeenThere: spud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Session Protocol Underneath Datagrams List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:44:38 -0000 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This is an adjunct to Joe and Brian's draft. regards, Ted ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:26 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hardie-spud-use-cases-00.txt To: Ted Hardie A new version of I-D, draft-hardie-spud-use-cases-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Ted Hardie and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-hardie-spud-use-cases Revision: 00 Title: Use Cases for SPUD Document date: 2015-02-11 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 5 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hardie-spud-use-cases-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hardie-spud-use-cases/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hardie-spud-use-cases-00 Abstract: SPUD is a prototype for grouping UDP packets together in a session. This grouping allows on-path network devices, especially middleboxes such as NATs or firewalls, to understand basic session semantics and potentially to offer salient information about their functions or the path to the endpoints. This document describes basic use cases for sharing that session semantic and for using the information shared. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --047d7bdc79e4dfaebc050ed89d0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI.

This is an adjunct to Joe and Brian&= #39;s draft.

regards,

Ted
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0path to the endpoints.=C2=A0 This document describes basic use= cases for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0sharing that session semantic and for using the information sh= ared.




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--047d7bdc79e4dfaebc050ed89d0a-- From nobody Thu Feb 12 05:53:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014FA1A87BE for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 05:53:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qm6J6x3R53N4 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 05:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D81081A1A87 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 05:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id a1so10248953wgh.5 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 05:53:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rF/cTL3TLBJOrCR+figACHCoriDi7ehatHSi/Gs7P70=; b=SnBVcfWvntgPKd0NyspgbzszQuuKCg4SZPqeccyvY5qBooIw9Y7X6S6ovENwOUV2lB cRLkBkoZWS4JblrZzvXY7gTkI0TQpseXxYT+hiUNDL7GdCCw3bM6QxpDgh9ooQOPzQSk Ho4kAlCC3NAyrriRfnwiR+Xqzc3R7u075nkYfWSNRVKEgDK2WmJK08gs06b1XDm29q2j xVzHSe3G2++8uoqNUr4RocUw0ko68pS7qwikjP4MFs3yQ+odRtimgmbWLmQf75u8xB8D U/LD4GwSv7KCQKeCyK4WM+mBuU9BZKLx0ygLrtfMijHCxPeSdv07xn9XJUWGOxzCQRIe +GIA== X-Received: by 10.194.193.99 with SMTP id hn3mr8053613wjc.148.1423749180474; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 05:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbipool-clients-45-1.fbi.h-da.de ([2001:41b8:9bf:fda2:9f8:dfdc:a611:2eb6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pr9sm5810005wjc.4.2015.02.12.05.52.59 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Feb 2015 05:52:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54DCB039.5090302@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:52:57 +0100 From: Martin Stiemerling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: spud@ietf.org References: <3D172733-DDDD-49BB-A91E-75BA6BB078AE@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> In-Reply-To: <3D172733-DDDD-49BB-A91E-75BA6BB078AE@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <3D172733-DDDD-49BB-A91E-75BA6BB078AE@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Spud] Fwd: [homenet] User-space multipath-UDP in Mosh X-BeenThere: spud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Session Protocol Underneath Datagrams List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 13:53:05 -0000 Hi, not sure if this has made it alread to the spud list, but it might be of interest for the discussions. Martin -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: [homenet] User-space multipath-UDP in Mosh Datum: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:42:03 +0100 Von: Matthieu Boutier An: HOMENET Kopie (CC): Juliusz Chroboczek Hello, We made a multipath version of Mosh[1], taking benefit of source-specific routing. It is built at the application layer over UDP. The following paper relates our experience: http://arxiv.org/abs/1502.02402 The source code is available on: https://github.com/boutier/mosh Matthieu _______________________________________________ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet From nobody Thu Feb 12 09:21:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9AD1A0199 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:21:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D5B6rwlWR477 for ; 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charset=UTF-8 This is a minor update, to harmonize with some of the vocabulary shifts in spud-prototype-01. Ted ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:19 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hardie-spud-use-cases-01.txt To: Ted Hardie A new version of I-D, draft-hardie-spud-use-cases-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Ted Hardie and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-hardie-spud-use-cases Revision: 01 Title: Use Cases for SPUD Document date: 2015-02-12 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 5 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hardie-spud-use-cases-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hardie-spud-use-cases/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hardie-spud-use-cases-01 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-hardie-spud-use-cases-01 Abstract: SPUD is a prototype for grouping UDP packets together. This grouping allows on-path network devices, especially middleboxes such as NATs or firewalls, to understand some basic semantics and potentially to offer salient information about their functions or the path to the endpoints. This document describes basic use cases for sharing that semantic and for using the information shared. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --001a1135f578877918050eed491c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0SPUD is a prototype for grouping UDP packets together.=C2=A0 T= his grouping
=C2=A0 =C2=A0allows on-path network devices, especially middleboxes such as= NATs
=C2=A0 =C2=A0or firewalls, to understand some basic semantics and potential= ly
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to offer salient information about their functions or the path= to the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0endpoints.=C2=A0 This document describes basic use cases for s= haring that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0semantic and for using the information shared.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
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--001a1135f578877918050eed491c-- From nobody Sat Feb 21 12:54:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spud@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CCD1A002C for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:53:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2DqcfACDqLKe for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from trammell.ch (trammell.ch [5.148.172.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351391A0013 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.27.105] (cust-integra-122-165.antanet.ch [80.75.122.165]) by trammell.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19FD51A017C for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:53:55 +0100 (CET) From: Brian Trammell X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_266150A2-4446-461B-9FF8-0E1749B86BDF"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:53:54 +0100 References: <9B067372C2434A429FBD4CF7F0E869FD2066AFB6@DEMUMBX009.nsn-intra.net> To: spud@ietf.org Message-Id: <9C337CAD-4C16-4CA3-9246-CD711BC42B25@trammell.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:54:53 -0800 Subject: [Spud] Fwd: [tsvwg] I-D Action: draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-arch-01.txt X-BeenThere: spud@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Session Protocol Underneath Datagrams List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 20:53:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_266150A2-4446-461B-9FF8-0E1749B86BDF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8226CE9F-CEB1-44F7-86F3-60C12EDB4AAF" --Apple-Mail=_8226CE9F-CEB1-44F7-86F3-60C12EDB4AAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 For those not on the tsvwg list, this seems relevant to = path-to-application use cases in SPUD. Cheers, Brian > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: "Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)" = > To: "tsvwg@ietf.org" > Date: 20 Feb 2015 14:46:09 CET > Cc: "Arunachalam, Swaminathan \(NSN - US/Irving\)" = , "Klas, Guenter, Vodafone Group" = , 'Helen Parsons' , = "ext Smith, Kevin, \(R&D\) Vodafone Group" , = Ankur Jain , "Flinck, Hannu \(NSN - FI/Espoo\)" = , "Cosimini, Peter, Vodafone Group" = > Subject: [tsvwg] FW: I-D Action: = draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-arch-01.txt >=20 > Dear all, > Please be aware of the new I-D we have submitted on =E2=80=9CRequirement= s and reference architecture for Mobile Throughput Guidance Exposure=E2=80= =9D. > The draft proposes principles for a mobile throughput guidance = exposure mechanism that can be used to assist TCP in cellular networks, = and help to ensure better network efficiency and enhanced service = delivery performance. > The draft presents the problems that the rapidly-varying conditions in = a cellular network can cause to the TCP behavior and to the application = performance. > The draft specifies the requirements and reference architecture for = the mechanism. > While the proposed mechanism can be used to optimize any content = delivery application, the draft describes its applicability to video = delivery optimization in mobile networks. > Your review and comments will be much appreciated. Comments can be = sent on the tsvwg list or directly to the authors. > Best regards, > Nurit >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of ext = internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 3:04 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-arch-01.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : Requirements and reference architecture for = Mobile Throughput Guidance Exposure > Authors : Ankur Jain > Andreas Terzis > Nurit Sprecher > Swaminathan Arunachalam > Kevin Smith > Guenter Klas > Filename : = draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-arch-01.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2015-02-20 >=20 > Abstract: > Rapidly-varying conditions in a cellular network can cause problems > for the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP), which in turn can > degrade application performance. >=20 > This document presents the problem statement and proposes solution > principles. It specifies the requirements and reference = architecture > for a mobile throughput guidance exposure mechanism that can be = used > to assist TCP in cellular networks, ensuring better network > efficiency and enhanced service delivery performance. >=20 > The proposed mechanism can be applied to any content or TCP/IP = based > application content delivery. This document describes the > applicability of the mechanism for Intelligent Video Acceleration > over cellular networks. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-arc= h/ = >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-arch-01 = = >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-a= rch-01 = >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org = . >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce = > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html = > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt = --Apple-Mail=_8226CE9F-CEB1-44F7-86F3-60C12EDB4AAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 For those not on the tsvwg list, this seems relevant to = path-to-application use cases in SPUD.

Cheers,

Brian

Begin forwarded message:

From: = "Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod = HaSharon)" <nurit.sprecher@nsn.com>
To: "tsvwg@ietf.org" <tsvwg@ietf.org>
Date: = 20 Feb 2015 14:46:09 CET
Cc: = "Arunachalam, Swaminathan \(NSN = - US/Irving\)" <swaminathan.arunachalam@nsn.com>, "Klas, Guenter, = Vodafone Group" <Guenter.Klas@vodafone.com>, 'Helen Parsons' <helenparsons@google.com>, "ext Smith, Kevin, = \(R&D\) Vodafone Group" <Kevin.Smith@vodafone.com>, Ankur Jain <jankur@google.com>, = "Flinck, Hannu \(NSN - FI/Espoo\)" <hannu.flinck@nsn.com>, "Cosimini, Peter, Vodafone = Group" <Peter.Cosimini@vodafone.com>
Subject: = [tsvwg] FW: I-D = Action: draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-arch-01.txt

Dear all,

Please be aware of the new = I-D we have submitted on =E2=80=9CRequirements and reference = architecture for Mobile Throughput Guidance Exposure=E2=80=9D.

The draft proposes principles for = a mobile throughput guidance exposure mechanism that can be = used  to assist TCP in cellular networks, and help to ensure better = network  efficiency and enhanced service delivery = performance.  

The = draft presents the problems that the rapidly-varying conditions in a = cellular network can cause to the TCP behavior and to the application = performance.

The draft specifies the = requirements and reference architecture for the mechanism. 

While the proposed = mechanism can be used to optimize any content delivery = application, the draft describes its = applicability to video delivery optimization in mobile = networks.

Your review and comments = will be much appreciated. Comments can be sent on the tsvwg list or = directly to the authors.

Best regards,

Nurit

 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = ext internet-drafts@ietf.org
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 3:04 PM
To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
Subject: I-D Action: = draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-arch-01.txt
 
 
A New = Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories.
 
 
        = Title           : = Requirements and reference architecture for Mobile Throughput Guidance = Exposure
        = Authors         : Ankur Jain
          &nb= sp;            = ;   Andreas Terzis
          &nb= sp;            = ;   Nurit Sprecher
          &nb= sp;            = ;   Swaminathan Arunachalam
          &nb= sp;            = ;   Kevin Smith
          &nb= sp;            = ;   Guenter Klas
      Filename =        : = draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-req-arch-01.txt
      = Pages           : = 12
      = Date            : = 2015-02-20
 
Abstract:
   = Rapidly-varying conditions in a cellular network can cause problems
   for = the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP), which in turn can
   = degrade application performance.
 
   This document presents the problem = statement and proposes solution
   principles.  It specifies the = requirements and reference architecture
   for a mobile throughput guidance = exposure mechanism that can be used
  to assist TCP in cellular networks, = ensuring better network
   efficiency and enhanced service delivery = performance.
 
   The = proposed mechanism can be applied to any content or TCP/IP based
   = application content delivery.  This document describes the
  =  applicability of the mechanism for Intelligent Video = Acceleration
   over cellular networks.
 
 
The IETF = datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-expos= ure-req-arch/
 
There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exposure-re= q-arch-01
 
A = diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-sprecher-mobile-tg-exp= osure-req-arch-01
 
 
Please note that it may take a couple of minutes = from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available = at tools.ietf.org.
 
Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous = FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
 
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