From nobody Sun Aug 2 08:55:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A053A0B9B for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MwgTzafP03f0 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 08:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B26D3A0B8F for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 08:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.19]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app03-12003 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee35f26e1f7e2e-6cc8b; Sun, 02 Aug 2020 23:55:36 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee35f26e1f7e2e-6cc8b X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.1.6.7]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr10-12010 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2eea5f26e1f78db-0d2b5; Sun, 02 Aug 2020 23:55:35 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2eea5f26e1f78db-0d2b5 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: Cc: "'Sander Steffann'" Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 23:55:34 +0800 Message-ID: <000601d668e5$5c08ac00$141a0400$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D66928.6A2BEC00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZo5VuRWo1W4tGHQ9+p4sBFJfXGMw== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting plan X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 15:55:51 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D66928.6A2BEC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Team, Sander and I got some suggestions from wg chairs, and they hope we could propose a shorter time frame for the both drafts. "Ideally, first drafts of each deliverable would be available at: Stage 1: end of September Stage 2: end of October. (as IETF 109 is November 14-20)" And they also suggested that we could have more meetings, such as two meetings per week. However, they also believe that delay is less important than the quality and usefulness of the documents. So the final decision should be made by design team. Let's know your suggestions or comments on the schedule and the meeting plan. B.R. Weiqiang Cheng ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D66928.6A2BEC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Team,

Sander and I got some suggestions from wg chairs, and they = hope we could propose a shorter time frame for the both = drafts.

 

“Ideally, first drafts of each deliverable would be = available at:

Stage 1: end of September

Stage 2: end of = October.

(as IETF 109 is November = 14-20)”

 

And they also suggested that we could have more meetings, = such as two meetings per week.

 

However, they also believe that = delay is less important than the quality and usefulness of the = documents.

So the final decision should be made by design = team.

 

Let’s know your suggestions or comments on the = schedule and the meeting plan.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

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Hi Ron=A3=AC<= span style=3D"color:#1F497D">

 

I think you are correc= t. When merging two SRv6 networks into one, it will be good to reuse the ex= isting IPv6 addresses instead of renumbering.

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

 

From: Ron Bonica [mailto:rbonica@juniper.net]=
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 2:59 AM
To: Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-FLEX-ADDRESS-PLANNING-00

 

Cheng Li,

 

I strongly support this requirement. In fact, I woul= d like to add two metrics.

 

Assume that two companies run SRv6 networks. One com= pany draws it locators from the prefix 2001:db8::/48, while the other draws= its locators from the prefix 2001:db8:FFFF:FF00::/56. At some point, the c= ompanies want to merge their networks into a single SRv6 domain.

 

Metric 1: The merger must not require renumbering of= either network. The compression mechanism must continue to work, even thou= gh locators have different lengths.

 

Metric 2: The merger must not require renumbering of= either network. Compression efficiency must not be effected by the merger.=

 

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Chengli (Cheng Li)
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:47 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-28-FLEX-ADDRESS-PLANNING-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Lato;color:black">[External Emai= l. Be cautious of content]

 

Short Name: Flexible IPv6 address Planning

 

Description: The compression mechanism MUST support = flexible IPv6 address planning, and MUST NOT require for specific address t= ype and address value. Also, It MUST support to be deployed by using GLA, U= LA and other unicast address types.

 

Rationale: The address planning of the network is va= ry based on the address schema of the operator, so the solution MUST suppor= t flexible address planning. Operators need to deploy the solution based on= their own addresses planning.

 

Metric: if the solution only works when using a spec= ific address type, or some specific address value, that is not compliant. I= f it require one or some specific prefixes, that is not compliant.

 

Cheng

 

 

 

--_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B4422Cdggeml529mbxchi_-- From nobody Mon Aug 3 05:41:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CACA3A07F0 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 05:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mIEtAF49VsLv for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 05:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF5023A07ED for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 05:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 0392F67105F3FF4862FD; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:40:59 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) by lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:40:57 +0100 Received: from DGGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.32) by lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:40:57 +0100 Received: from DGGEML529-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.133]) by DGGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::89ed:853e:30a9:2a79%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:39:12 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: Weiqiang Cheng , "srcomp@ietf.org" CC: 'Sander Steffann' Thread-Topic: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting plan Thread-Index: AdZo5VuRWo1W4tGHQ9+p4sBFJfXGMwArFysA Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 12:39:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <000601d668e5$5c08ac00$141a0400$@com> In-Reply-To: <000601d668e5$5c08ac00$141a0400$@com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.130] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B44252dggeml529mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting plan X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 12:41:02 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B44252dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Team, I guess it is a really tough task. Currently, we have over 15 Requirements to be discussed, and each of them s= hould be treated very carefully. Based on the current situation, I guess that we may need weeks to finish th= em. However, they are not all, so I doubt that the updated schedule. But an= yway, I will try my best to speed up. Personally, will agree on the previous plan, but we can speed up as we can. Regarding the meeting, I feel good of the previous decision. We are discuss= ing every day via emails, the call meeting will not be used for addressing = issues I guess. It should be a sync up meeting? Thanks, Cheng From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Weiqiang Cheng Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 11:56 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Cc: 'Sander Steffann' Subject: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting plan Hi Team, Sander and I got some suggestions from wg chairs, and they hope we could pr= opose a shorter time frame for the both drafts. "Ideally, first drafts of each deliverable would be available at: Stage 1: end of September Stage 2: end of October. (as IETF 109 is November 14-20)" And they also suggested that we could have more meetings, such as two meeti= ngs per week. However, they also believe that delay is less important than the quality an= d usefulness of the documents. So the final decision should be made by design team. Let's know your suggestions or comments on the schedule and the meeting pla= n. B.R. Weiqiang Cheng --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B44252dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Te= am,

=  

I gue= ss it is a really tough task.

=  

Curre= ntly, we have over 15 Requirements to be discussed, and each of them should= be treated very carefully.

Based= on the current situation, I guess that we may need weeks to finish them. H= owever, they are not all, so I doubt that the updated schedule. But anyway,= I will try my best to speed up.

=  

Perso= nally, will agree on the previous plan, but we can speed up as we can.=

Regar= ding the meeting, I feel good of the previous decision. We are discussing e= very day via emails, the call meeting will not be used for addressing issue= s I guess. It should be a sync up meeting?

=  

Thank= s,

Cheng=

=  

=  

=  

From: = Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Weiqiang Cheng
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 11:56 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Cc: 'Sander Steffann' <sander@steffann.nl>
Subject: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting plan

 =

Hi Team,

Sander and I got some suggestions from wg chairs, an= d they hope we could propose a shorter time frame for the both drafts.=

 

“Ideally, first drafts of each deliverable wou= ld be available at:

Stage 1: end of September

Stage 2: end of October.

(as IETF 109 is November 14-20)”

 

And they also suggested that we could have more meet= ings, such as two meetings per week.

 

However, they also believe that delay is less import= ant than the quality and usefulness of the documents.

So the final decision should be made by design team.=

 

Let’s know your suggestions or comments on the= schedule and the meeting plan.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

--_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B44252dggeml529mbxchi_-- From nobody Mon Aug 3 05:49:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C72A3A085A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 05:49:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BxoLZG02u9rc for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 05:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD19F3A0881 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 05:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 8A878B5A84BA3209E298 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:49:27 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) by lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:49:27 +0100 Received: from DGGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.32) by lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:49:26 +0100 Received: from DGGEML529-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.133]) by DGGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::89ed:853e:30a9:2a79%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:49:22 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: Ron Bonica , "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: REQ-7-30-Standards- Compliance-00 Thread-Index: AdZmlpqvKy9KM5nvTR27PudTnLb5AQC/YADw Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 12:49:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.130] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B44275dggeml529mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-30-Standards- Compliance-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 12:49:30 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B44275dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ron, May be good to separate this REQ into multiple REQs associated to each RFC = and BCP. I think we may have a really hot discussion regarding to this REQ. Thus, it= may be good to divide it into pieces :) Thanks, Cheng From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:30 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-30-Standards- Compliance-00 Short name: Standards compliance Description: The solution must comply with all Standards Track and Best Com= mon Practice RFCs. These include RFCs 4291, 8200, 8402 and 7855. Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standards causes network fragi= lity. Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards Track and Best Common P= ractice RFCs. Juniper Business Use Only --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B44275dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ron,

 

May be good to separat= e this REQ into multiple REQs associated to each RFC and BCP.

 

I think we may have a = really hot discussion regarding to this REQ. Thus, it may be good to divide= it into pieces J

 

Thanks,
Cheng

 

 

 

From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:30 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-30-Standards- Compliance-00

 

Short name: Standards compliance

 

Description: The solution must comply with all Stand= ards Track and Best Common Practice RFCs. These include RFCs 4291, 8200, 84= 02 and 7855.

 

Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standar= ds causes network fragility.

 

Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards = Track and Best Common Practice RFCs.

 

Juniper Business Use Only

--_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B44275dggeml529mbxchi_-- From nobody Mon Aug 3 06:16:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE5B3A093B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 06:16:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u1GhqInDW8MC for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 06:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2FA13A0934 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 06:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml744-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 6C914EB4DAD758FBE1AF for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:16:31 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml744-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.194) by lhreml744-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.194) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:16:31 +0100 Received: from DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.39) by lhreml744-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.194) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:16:30 +0100 Received: from DGGEML529-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.133]) by DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::b177:a243:7a69:5ab8%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 21:16:23 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Where is the end of a discussion? Thread-Index: AdZpltiG40qmSBsVSEClvwTw9U87MQ== Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 13:16:23 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.130] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B442A8dggeml529mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion? X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 13:16:34 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B442A8dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Team, When I read the emails, I found out that we have too many threads in the sa= me time, I need to pay a lot of time to follow up all of them. IMHO, solutions should be provided to solve this problem. * What is the order of the discussion? * Where is the end of a discussion? Regarding the order, we may need to list them in order, and then discuss on= e by one? Any suggestion? Chairs, please help on this. Also, how do we know the discussion has been successfully closed? a poll w= ith all supports? Again, it is not an easy task that we can finish it in days :( Thanks, Cheng --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B442A8dggeml529mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Team,

 

When I read the emails, I found out that we have too= many threads in the same time, I need to pay a lot of time to follow up al= l of them.

 

IMHO, solutions should be provided to solve this pro= blem. 

·         What is the order of the discussion?

·         Where is the end of a discussion?=

 

Regarding the order, we may need to list them in ord= er, and then discuss one by one? Any suggestion? Chairs, please help on thi= s.

Also,  how do we know the discussion has been s= uccessfully closed? a poll with all supports?

 

Again, it is not an easy task that we can finish it = in days L

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Peng, I support this requirement 100%. At implementation time, it will raise an interesting issue, but that issue = is unavoidable. When sending a packet across domain boundaries, how will th= e SR Path be encoded: * Using the sender's encoding mechanism? * Using the receiver's encoding mechanism? * Using a common encoding mechanism that may be native to neither the s= ender nor the receiver? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 11:09 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-1-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: Interworking Across SR Domain Boundaries. Description: An E2E SR path may across multiple domains and each domain has= different SID encapsulation style. Rational: SRv6 is deployed in the network gradually, there maybe already de= ployed calssical 128-bits based SID SRv6 solution in some domains, and may = also deployed SR-MPLS in other domains, thus if an E2E SR path across multi= ple domains, the new compression-based SID SRv6 solution MUST support inter= working with other classical SRv6 and SR-MPLS domains in the network. If th= e new compression-based SID SRv6 provide multiple compression length, eg, 3= 2, 16, etc, multiple domains each with different compression length MUST al= so support interworking between them. Note that the classical 128-bits SID = based SID SRv6 solution can be considered to have a compression length of 1= 28. Metric: The solution must provide method to interwork with classical SRv6 o= r SR-MPLS domains, and interwork between domains with different compression= length. Regards, PSF --_000_DM6PR05MB63488B485C12CBD7BA7B95F1AE4D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Peng,

 

I support this requirement 100%.

 

At implementation time, it will raise an interesting= issue, but that issue is unavoidable. When sending a packet across domain = boundaries, how will the SR Path be encoded:

 

  • Using the sender’s encoding mechanism?
  • Usi= ng the receiver’s encoding mechanism?
  • Using a co= mmon encoding mechanism that may be native to neither the sender nor the re= ceiver?

 

        &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;      Ron

 

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 11:09 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-1-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

 

Short Name: Interworking Across SR Domain Boundaries.

 

Description<= /span>: An E2E SR path may across multiple domains and each domain= has different SID encapsulation style.

 

Rational: SRv6 is deployed in the network gradually, there maybe alread= y deployed calssical 128-bits based SID SRv6 solution in some domains, and = may also deployed SR-MPLS in other domains, thus if an E2E SR path across multiple domains, the new compressi= on-based SID SRv6 solution MUST support interworking with other classical S= Rv6 and SR-MPLS domains in the network. If the new compression-based SID SR= v6 provide multiple compression length, eg, 32, 16, etc, multiple domains each with different compression = length MUST also support interworking between them. Note that the classical= 128-bits SID based SID SRv6 solution can be considered to have a comp= ression length of 128.

 

Metric: The solution must provide method to interwork with classical SR= v6 or SR-MPLS domains, and interwork between domains with different compres= sion length.

 

 

Regards,

PSF

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, We may want to make the metrics a little more specific. May I suggest: * The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C) * The compression mechanism MAY support the following SID types (X, Y, = Z) * If the compression mechanism uses any of the encodings defined in RFC= 7855 or the network programming draft, they must be backwards compatible w= ith legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not requi= red to use any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programm= ing draft. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia = - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: The compression solution must be compliant to RFC 7855 and htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-16 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855/NPG, would allow for = a natural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers wh= o deployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sp= ring-srv6-network-programming-16 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348BA928D73914108E458CEAE4D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

 

We may want to make the metrics a little more specif= ic. May I suggest:

 

  • The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C)
  • The compression mechanism MAY support the followin= g SID types (X, Y, Z)
  • If the compression mechanism u= ses any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programming dra= ft, they must be backwards compatible with legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not required to use any of the encodings defi= ned in RFC 7855 or the network programming draft.

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cheng, Fair enough. I will enter four independent requirements. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 8:49 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-30-Standards- Compliance-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron, May be good to separate this REQ into multiple REQs associated to each RFC = and BCP. I think we may have a really hot discussion regarding to this REQ. Thus, it= may be good to divide it into pieces :) Thanks, Cheng From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:30 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-30-Standards- Compliance-00 Short name: Standards compliance Description: The solution must comply with all Standards Track and Best Com= mon Practice RFCs. These include RFCs 4291, 8200, 8402 and 7855. Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standards causes network fragi= lity. Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards Track and Best Common P= ractice RFCs. Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348F138B247B1027B67792DAE4D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Cheng,

 

Fair enough. I will enter four independent requireme= nts.

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Chengli (Cheng Li)
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 8:49 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcom= p@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-30-Standards- Compliance-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi Ron,

 

May be good to separat= e this REQ into multiple REQs associated to each RFC and BCP.

 

I think we may have a = really hot discussion regarding to this REQ. Thus, it may be good to divide= it into pieces J

 

Thanks,
Cheng

 

 

 

From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:30 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-30-Standards- Compliance-00

 

Short name: Standards compliance

 

Description: The solution must comply with all Stand= ards Track and Best Common Practice RFCs. These include RFCs 4291, 8200, 84= 02 and 7855.

 

Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standar= ds causes network fragility.

 

Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards = Track and Best Common Practice RFCs.

 

Juniper Business Use Only

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Short name: RFC 4291 compliance

 

Description: The solution must comply with all Stand= ards Track and Best Common Practice RFCs,  including RFC 4291.

 

Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standar= ds causes network fragility.

 

Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards = Track or Best Common Practice RFCs, including RFC 4291.

 

 


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short name: RFC 8200 compliance Description: The solution must comply with all Standards Track and Best Com= mon Practice RFCs, including RFC 8200. Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standards causes network fragi= lity. Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards Track or Best Common Pr= actice RFCs, including RFC 8200. Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB634835D1D43E1A759E339BB5AE4D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short name: RFC 8200 compliance

 

Description: The solution must comply with all Stand= ards Track and Best Common Practice RFCs,  including RFC 8200.

 

Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standar= ds causes network fragility.

 

Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards = Track or Best Common Practice RFCs, including RFC 8200.

 

 


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short name: RFC 8402 compliance Description: The solution must comply with all Standards Track and Best Com= mon Practice RFCs, including RFC 8402. Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standards causes network fragi= lity. Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards Track or Best Common Pr= actice RFCs, including RFC 8402. Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348782A31D0BCD95CF5ECD3AE4D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short name: RFC 8402 compliance

 

Description: The solution must comply with all Stand= ards Track and Best Common Practice RFCs,  including RFC 8402.

 

Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standar= ds causes network fragility.

 

Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards = Track or Best Common Practice RFCs, including RFC 8402.

 

 


Juniper Business= Use Only

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short name: RFC 8754 compliance Description: The solution must comply with all Standards Track and Best Com= mon Practice RFCs, including RFC 8754. Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standards causes network fragi= lity. Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards Track or Best Common Pr= actice RFCs, including RFC 8754. However, the solution is not required to u= se any of the encodings defined in RFC 8754. Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB63489C57673481895B11E16DAE4D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short name: RFC 8754 compliance

 

Description: The solution must comply with all Stand= ards Track and Best Common Practice RFCs,  including RFC 8754.

 

Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standar= ds causes network fragility.

 

Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards = Track or Best Common Practice RFCs, including RFC 8754. However, the soluti= on is not required to use any of the encodings defined in RFC 8754.

 

 


Juniper Business= Use Only

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chairs, Could one of you send out an invitation for this week's meeting? Also, we should meet in a venue that supports screen sharing (e.g., MS Team= s, Webex). Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348E143026BF1C9757380E3AE4D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chairs,

 

Could one of you send out an invitation for this wee= k’s meeting?

 

Also, we should meet in a venue that supports screen= sharing (e.g., MS Teams, Webex).

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cheng, If I am reading your email correctly, you are proposing a separate, but ext= remely important requirement. That is. R must not exceed some critical num= ber of bits. Am I interpreting your message correctly? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 9:06 AM To: Ron Bonica ; Darren Dukes (dduk= es) ; Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi team, We may need to maintain the R and P rather than providing the R/P only. Because we need to compare R with the on-chip memory copy packet windows. = This is a really important factor for analyzing the solutions. If the R is = large than the size of packet windows, then node should recircle to read th= e SID, which will make almost 50% forwarding efficiency drop. Comparing to= this, I don't really care the minor differences in overhead among solution= s actually. Thanks, Cheng From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:26 AM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 Darren, We are getting closer, but there is still room for refinement. This requirement is all about metrics. So, have to: * Measure the right thing * Measure it correctly I think we are measuring a compression factor. The compression factor is R = divided by P where: * R is the IPv6 overhead required to represent an SR path (measured in = bits) * P is the amount of information in an SR path (also measured in bits) See below for a discussion of how to calculate P. If you want, you can include RFC 7855 as one of the proposed solutions. Tha= t way, you can see how each proposed solution compares to RFC 7855 without = measuring it in terms of 7855. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:27 AM To: Ron Bonica >; Darren Du= kes (ddukes) >; srcomp@ietf.org<= mailto:srcomp@ietf.org> Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron and Sander, I think we are saying the same thing but slightly differ= ently. I'm going to assume all proposals encapsulate in an outer IPv6 header and "= other stuff" to carry segments. I believe this requirement has been propos= ed. Without constraining how a proposal defines its encapsulating IPv6 header, = the description can be written as: When encapsulating a packet traversing an SR domain, the size of a proposal= 's encapsulating IPv6 header MUST be reduced vs the currently defined SRv6 = encapsulating IPv6 header. The size of the encapsulating header is measure= d in bytes from the start of the encapsulating IPv6 header to the start of = the encapsulated packet header. What do you think of this? I believe it's more explicit and there is no as= sumption that a proposal must be compliant or compatible with SRv6. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:35 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srcomp@ietf.org <= srcomp@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 Darren, I think that the goal is laudable. However, I think that there is a more so= lution-neutral way to measure compression efficiency.. Consider that: * An SR path is a series of segments. * Each segment is an instruction. * The information of an instruction can be measured in bits. For exampl= e: * The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 = bits (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00) * The information value of a node instruction is equal to the number= of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) * The information value of an adjacency instruction is equal to the = number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plus 16 bits (REQ-7-27-LI= NK-SCALE-00) So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equal to the sum of the info= rmation values of its segments. A compression mechanism produces a particular compression header for a part= icular SR path. So, we can create a table with the following columns: * Compression mechanism * SR path (described as a sequence segment types) * Compression header length * Encoding efficiency In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to compression header length di= vided by P. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] COMPRESS, Encapsulation Compression Description: A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SR= v6 encapsulating header compression. Rationale: The compression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design te= am. Metric: Compression is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined = in RFC8402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6= encapsulation size of a given proposal. The encapsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a u= seful measurement to compare proposals. The encapsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. E(proposal, segment list) The encapsulation savings (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6 = base, segment list) --_000_DM6PR05MB6348B2C5A3C5AC5B1B0B6B58AE4D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Cheng,

 

If I am reading your email correctly, you are propos= ing a separate, but extremely important requirement. That is.  R must = not exceed some critical number of bits.

 

Am I interpreting your message correctly?=

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Ron<= /p>

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Chengli (Cheng Li)
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 9:06 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darre= n Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darren Dukes = (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi team,

 

We may need to maintai= n the R and P rather than providing the R/P only.

 

Because we need to com= pare R with the on-chip memory copy packet windows.  This is a really = important factor for analyzing the solutions. If the R is large than the si= ze of packet windows, then node should recircle to read the SID, which will make almost 50% forwarding efficiency drop. &n= bsp;Comparing to this, I don’t really care the minor differences in o= verhead among solutions actually.

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

 

 

From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:26 AM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darren Dukes = (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

Darren,

 

We are getting closer, but there is still room for r= efinement.

 

This requirement is all about metrics. So, have to:<= o:p>

 

  • Measure the right= thing
  • Measure it correctly

 

I think we are measuring a compression factor. The c= ompression factor is R divided by P where:

 

  • R is the IPv6 ove= rhead required to represent an SR path (measured in bits)
    • P is the amount of = information  in an SR path (also measured in bits)

     

    See below for a discussion of how to calculate P.

     

    If you want, you can include RFC 7855 as one of the = proposed solutions. That way, you can see how each proposed solution compar= es to RFC 7855 without measuring it in terms of 7855.

     

            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;          Ron

     

     

    Juniper Business Use Only

    From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.o= rg>
    Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:27 AM
    To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

     

    <= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

     

    Hi Ron and Sander, I think we are saying the same thing but sligh= tly differently.

    I'm goi= ng to assume all proposals encapsulate in an outer IPv6 header and "ot= her stuff" to carry segments.  I believe this requirement has bee= n proposed.

    &n= bsp;

    Without constraining how a proposal defines its encapsulating IPv= 6 header, the description can be written as:

    When encapsulating a packet traversing an SR domain, the size of = a proposal's encapsulating IPv6 header MUST be reduced vs the currently def= ined SRv6 encapsulating IPv6 header.  The size of the encapsulating header is measured in bytes from the s= tart of the encapsulating IPv6 header to the start of the encapsulated pack= et header.

    &n= bsp;

    What do= you think of this?  I believe it's more explicit and there is no assu= mption that a proposal must be compliant or compatible with SRv6.

    &n= bsp;

    Darren<= o:p>

    From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmar= c..ietf.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:35 PM
    To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
    Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

     

    Darren,

     

    I think that the goal is laudable. However, I think= that there is a more solution-neutral way to measure compression efficienc= y.. Consider that:

     

    • An SR path is a series of segments.
    • Each segme= nt is an instruction.
    • The information of an instruct= ion can be measured in bits. For example:
      • The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 bi= ts (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00)
      • The information value of a= node instruction is equal to the number of bits in a locator (between 48 a= nd 128?)
      • The information value of an adjacency instru= ction is equal to the number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plu= s 16 bits (REQ-7-27-LINK-SCALE-00)

     

    So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equa= l to the sum of the information values of its segments.

     

    A compression mechanism produces a particular compr= ession header for a particular SR path. So, we can create a table with the = following columns:

     

    • Compression mechanism
    • SR path (described as a = sequence segment types)
    • Compression header length
    • Encoding efficiency

     

    In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to comp= ression header length divided by P.

     

            &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;             = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        Ron

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Juniper Business Use Only

    From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
    Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM
    To: srcomp@ietf.org
    Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

     

    = [External Email. Be cautious of content]

     

    COMPRE= SS, Encapsulation Compression

     =

    Descri= ption:

    A solu= tion to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SRv6 enc= apsulating header compression.

     =

    Ration= ale:

    The co= mpression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design team.

     =

    Metric= :

    Compre= ssion is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined in RFC= 8402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6 encap= sulation size of a given proposal.

    The en= capsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a useful = measurement to compare proposals.

    The en= capsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a proposal = to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

     = I.e. E(proposal, segment list)

    The en= capsulation savings  (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a prop= osal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

     = I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6 b= ase, segment list)

     

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mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fTcVYI2cJiJB for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 21:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6B93A0781 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.3]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app07-12007 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee75f28e39a21a-8fbd4; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 12:27:06 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee75f28e39a21a-8fbd4 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.197]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr02-12002 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee25f28e399ba5-64d34; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 12:27:06 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee25f28e399ba5-64d34 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: "'Chengli \(Cheng Li\)'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 12:27:03 +0800 Message-ID: <020b01d66a17$82bd89a0$88389ce0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_020C_01D66A5A.90E0C9A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZpltiG40qmSBsVSEClvwTw9U87MQAfxAbA Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion? X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:27:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_020C_01D66A5A.90E0C9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cheng, Good point. In order to trace the status of each requirement, chairs will maintain a excel table, in which we will record the changing text, discussion and = the status. My suggestion is that we run poll one by one until all the items are = closed successfully. Then we document a draft based on the table. =20 I will make a table and send it to the group soon. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Chengli (Cheng Li) =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C23=C8=D5 21:16 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: srcomp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion? =20 Hi Team, =20 When I read the emails, I found out that we have too many threads in the same time, I need to pay a lot of time to follow up all of them. =20 IMHO, solutions should be provided to solve this problem. =20 =A1=A4 What is the order of the discussion? =A1=A4 Where is the end of a discussion? =20 Regarding the order, we may need to list them in order, and then discuss = one by one? Any suggestion? Chairs, please help on this. Also, how do we know the discussion has been successfully closed? a = poll with all supports? =20 Again, it is not an easy task that we can finish it in days L =20 Thanks, Cheng =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_020C_01D66A5A.90E0C9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Cheng,

Good = point.

In order to trace the status of = each requirement, chairs will maintain a excel table, in which we will = record the changing text, discussion and the = status.

My suggestion is that we run = poll one by one until all the items are closed = successfully.

Then we document a = draft based on the table.

 

I will make a table and send it = to the group soon.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp = [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Chengli (Cheng = Li)
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC= =E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C23=C8=D5 21:16
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: = srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] Where is the end = of a discussion?

 

Hi Team,

 

When I read the emails, I found out = that we have too many threads in the same time, I need to pay a lot of = time to follow up all of them.

 

IMHO, solutions should be provided = to solve this problem. 

=A1=A4         = What is the order of the = discussion?

=A1=A4         = Where is the end of a = discussion?

 

Regarding the order, we may need to list them in order, and = then discuss one by one? Any suggestion? Chairs, please help on = this.

Also, =  how do we know the discussion has been successfully closed? a poll = with all supports?

 

Again, it is not an easy task that we can finish it in days = L

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

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Hi Weiqiang,

 

Many thanks!

 

Cheng

 

 

From: Weiqiang Cheng [mailto:chengweiqiang@ch= inamobile.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:27 PM
To: Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion?

 

Hi Ch= eng,

Good = point.

In or= der to trace the status of each requirement, chairs will maintain a excel t= able, in which we will record the changing text, discussion and the status.=

My su= ggestion is that we run poll one by one until all the items are closed succ= essfully.

Then = we document a draft based on the table.

=  

I wil= l make a table and send it to the group soon.

=  

B.R.<= o:p>

Weiqi= ang Cheng

=  

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Chengli (Cheng Li)
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C23=C8=D5 21:16
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] Where is the end = of a discussion?

 

Hi Team,

 

When I read the emails, I found out that we have too= many threads in the same time, I need to pay a lot of time to follow up al= l of them.

 

IMHO, solutions should be provided to solve this pro= blem. 

=A1=A4      &nb= sp;  What is the order of the discussion?

=A1=A4      &nb= sp;  Where is the end of a discussion?

 

Regarding the order, we may need to list them in ord= er, and then discuss one by one? Any suggestion? Chairs, please help on thi= s.

Also,  how do we know the discussion has been s= uccessfully closed? a poll with all supports?

 

Again, it is not an easy task that we can finish it = in days L

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you state the metric that you have in mind? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron, I don't believe your suggestion are metrics, but rather ways to achiev= e it. The metric can be impact on control plane, data plane and addressing to ach= ieve this interoperability. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, We may want to make the metrics a little more specific. May I suggest: * The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C) * The compression mechanism MAY support the following SID types (X, Y, = Z) * If the compression mechanism uses any of the encodings defined in RFC= 7855 or the network programming draft, they must be backwards compatible w= ith legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not requi= red to use any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programm= ing draft. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: The compression solution must be compliant to RFC 7855 and htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-16 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855/NPG, would allow for = a natural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers wh= o deployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sp= ring-srv6-network-programming-16 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348378680D0A25E385E950AAE4A0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can you state the metric that you have in mind?=

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            Ron=

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
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<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Ron, I don’t believe your suggestion are metri= cs, but rather ways to achieve it.

The metric can be impact on control plane, data plan= e and addressing to achieve this interoperability.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

 

We may want to make the metrics a little more specif= ic. May I suggest:

 

  • The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C)
  • The compression mechanism MAY support the followin= g SID types (X, Y, Z)
  • If the compression mechanism u= ses any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programming dra= ft, they must be backwards compatible with legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not required to use any of the encodings defi= ned in RFC 7855 or the network programming draft.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        Ron

 

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cheng, So, maybe the metric is a table like the following: * SR path contains 1 SID - R must not exceed X bits * SR path contains 2 SIDs - R must not exceed Y bits * SR path contains 3 SIDx - R must not exceed X bits * Etc... Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 10:14 PM To: Ron Bonica ; Ron Bonica ; Darren Dukes (ddukes) = ; Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron, I do NOT mean R MUST NOT exceed a number. Because it depends on the number = of SIDs. More SIDs, bigger R. Like 5 SIDs, assuming that R is 80 bytes, whi= le 10 SIDs, R is 112 Byes. So we need to find out the number of SIDs when the R exceeds the critical n= umber X of bits. For example, the R of solution A will exceed the X when 10 SIDs are encapsu= lated. The R of solution B will exceed the X when 15 SIDs are encapsulated. Can we call this SID number as Maximum SID Depth(MSD) to be inspect in a ti= me? Cheng From: Ron Bonica [mailto:rbonica@juniper.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 2:56 AM To: Chengli (Cheng Li) >; Ron Bonica = >; Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 Cheng, If I am reading your email correctly, you are proposing a separate, but ext= remely important requirement. That is. R must not exceed some critical num= ber of bits. Am I interpreting your message correctly? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Chengli (Cheng Li) Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 9:06 AM To: Ron Bonica >; Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; Darren Dukes (dd= ukes) >; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi team, We may need to maintain the R and P rather than providing the R/P only. Because we need to compare R with the on-chip memory copy packet windows. = This is a really important factor for analyzing the solutions. If the R is = large than the size of packet windows, then node should recircle to read th= e SID, which will make almost 50% forwarding efficiency drop. Comparing to= this, I don't really care the minor differences in overhead among solution= s actually. Thanks, Cheng From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:26 AM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 Darren, We are getting closer, but there is still room for refinement. This requirement is all about metrics. So, have to: * Measure the right thing * Measure it correctly I think we are measuring a compression factor. The compression factor is R = divided by P where: * R is the IPv6 overhead required to represent an SR path (measured in = bits) * P is the amount of information in an SR path (also measured in bits) See below for a discussion of how to calculate P. If you want, you can include RFC 7855 as one of the proposed solutions. Tha= t way, you can see how each proposed solution compares to RFC 7855 without = measuring it in terms of 7855. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:27 AM To: Ron Bonica >; Darren Du= kes (ddukes) >; srcomp@ietf.org<= mailto:srcomp@ietf.org> Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Ron and Sander, I think we are saying the same thing but slightly differ= ently. I'm going to assume all proposals encapsulate in an outer IPv6 header and "= other stuff" to carry segments. I believe this requirement has been propos= ed. Without constraining how a proposal defines its encapsulating IPv6 header, = the description can be written as: When encapsulating a packet traversing an SR domain, the size of a proposal= 's encapsulating IPv6 header MUST be reduced vs the currently defined SRv6 = encapsulating IPv6 header. The size of the encapsulating header is measure= d in bytes from the start of the encapsulating IPv6 header to the start of = the encapsulated packet header. What do you think of this? I believe it's more explicit and there is no as= sumption that a proposal must be compliant or compatible with SRv6. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:35 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srcomp@ietf.org <= srcomp@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 Darren, I think that the goal is laudable. However, I think that there is a more so= lution-neutral way to measure compression efficiency.. Consider that: * An SR path is a series of segments. * Each segment is an instruction. * The information of an instruction can be measured in bits. For exampl= e: * The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 = bits (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00) * The information value of a node instruction is equal to the number= of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) * The information value of an adjacency instruction is equal to the = number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plus 16 bits (REQ-7-27-LI= NK-SCALE-00) So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equal to the sum of the info= rmation values of its segments. A compression mechanism produces a particular compression header for a part= icular SR path. So, we can create a table with the following columns: * Compression mechanism * SR path (described as a sequence segment types) * Compression header length * Encoding efficiency In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to compression header length di= vided by P. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] COMPRESS, Encapsulation Compression Description: A solution to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SR= v6 encapsulating header compression. Rationale: The compression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design te= am. Metric: Compression is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined = in RFC8402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6= encapsulation size of a given proposal. The encapsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a u= seful measurement to compare proposals. The encapsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. E(proposal, segment list) The encapsulation savings (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a pro= posal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list. I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6 = base, segment list) --_000_DM6PR05MB634888D8F2A4D0DC2C2F932FAE4A0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Cheng,

 

So, maybe the metric is a table like the following:<= o:p>

 

  • SR path contains 1 SID – R must not exceed X bits
  • SR path contains 2 SIDs – R must not exceed Y bits=
  • SR path contains 3 SIDx – R must not exceed X bits
  • Etc…

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        Ron

 

 

 

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From: Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com&g= t;
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 10:14 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; Ron Bonica <rbonica= =3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40c= isco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>= ; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi Ron,

 

I do NOT mean R MUST N= OT exceed a number. Because it depends on the number of SIDs. More SIDs, bi= gger R. Like 5 SIDs, assuming that R is 80 bytes, while 10 SIDs, R is 112 B= yes. 

 

So we need to find out= the number of SIDs when the R exceeds the critical number X of bits.<= /o:p>

For example, the R of = solution A will exceed the X when 10 SIDs are encapsulated. The R of soluti= on B will exceed the X when 15 SIDs are encapsulated.

 

Can we call this SID n= umber as Maximum SID Depth(MSD) to be inspect in a time?

 

Cheng

 

 

 

From: Ron Bonica [mailto:rbonica@juniper.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 2:56 AM
To: Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@hua= wei.com>; Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darren Dukes= (ddukes) <ddukes= =3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco= .com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

Cheng,

 

If I am reading your email correctly, you are propos= ing a separate, but extremely important requirement. That is.  R must = not exceed some critical number of bits.

 

Am I interpreting your message correctly?=

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Ron<= /p>

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Chengli (Cheng Li)
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 9:06 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darren Dukes (dduk= es) <ddukes=3D40c= isco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi team,

 

We may need to maintai= n the R and P rather than providing the R/P only.

 

Because we need to com= pare R with the on-chip memory copy packet windows.  This is a really = important factor for analyzing the solutions. If the R is large than the si= ze of packet windows, then node should recircle to read the SID, which will make almost 50% forwarding efficiency drop. &n= bsp;Comparing to this, I don’t really care the minor differences in o= verhead among solutions actually.

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

 

 

From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:26 AM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Darren Dukes = (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

 

Darren,

 

We are getting closer, but there is still room for r= efinement.

 

This requirement is all about metrics. So, have to:<= o:p>

 

  • Measure the right= thing
  • Measure it correctly

 

I think we are measuring a compression factor. The c= ompression factor is R divided by P where:

 

  • R is the IPv6 ove= rhead required to represent an SR path (measured in bits)
    • P is the amount of = information  in an SR path (also measured in bits)

     

    See below for a discussion of how to calculate P.

     

    If you want, you can include RFC 7855 as one of the = proposed solutions. That way, you can see how each proposed solution compar= es to RFC 7855 without measuring it in terms of 7855.

     

            &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;          Ron

     

     

    Juniper Business Use Only

    From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.o= rg>
    Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:27 AM
    To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

     

    <= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

     

    Hi Ron and Sander, I think we are saying the same thing but sligh= tly differently.

    I'm goi= ng to assume all proposals encapsulate in an outer IPv6 header and "ot= her stuff" to carry segments.  I believe this requirement has bee= n proposed.

    &n= bsp;

    Without constraining how a proposal defines its encapsulating IPv= 6 header, the description can be written as:

    When encapsulating a packet traversing an SR domain, the size of = a proposal's encapsulating IPv6 header MUST be reduced vs the currently def= ined SRv6 encapsulating IPv6 header.  The size of the encapsulating header is measured in bytes from the s= tart of the encapsulating IPv6 header to the start of the encapsulated pack= et header.

    &n= bsp;

    What do= you think of this?  I believe it's more explicit and there is no assu= mption that a proposal must be compliant or compatible with SRv6.

    &n= bsp;

    Darren<= o:p>

    From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmar= c..ietf.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:35 PM
    To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
    Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

     

    Darren,

     

    I think that the goal is laudable. However, I think= that there is a more solution-neutral way to measure compression efficienc= y.. Consider that:

     

    • An SR path is a series of segments.
    • Each segme= nt is an instruction.
    • The information of an instruct= ion can be measured in bits. For example:
      • The information value of a service instruction is greater than 20 bi= ts (REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00)
      • The information value of a= node instruction is equal to the number of bits in a locator (between 48 a= nd 128?)
      • The information value of an adjacency instru= ction is equal to the number of bits in a locator (between 48 and 128?) plu= s 16 bits (REQ-7-27-LINK-SCALE-00)

     

    So, the information value of an SR path (P) is equa= l to the sum of the information values of its segments.

     

    A compression mechanism produces a particular compr= ession header for a particular SR path. So, we can create a table with the = following columns:

     

    • Compression mechanism
    • SR path (described as a = sequence segment types)
    • Compression header length
    • Encoding efficiency

     

    In this table, Encoding efficiency is equal to comp= ression header length divided by P.

     

            &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;             = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        Ron

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Juniper Business Use Only

    From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
    Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:01 AM
    To: srcomp@ietf.org
    Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS-01

     

    = [External Email. Be cautious of content]

     

    COMPRE= SS, Encapsulation Compression

     =

    Descri= ption:

    A solu= tion to compress SR for the IPv6 data plane MUST support efficient SRv6 enc= apsulating header compression.

     =

    Ration= ale:

    The co= mpression of SRv6 is the primary goal of the SR compression design team.

     =

    Metric= :

    Compre= ssion is the ratio of the IPv6 encapsulation size of SRv6 as defined in RFC= 8402, RFC8754, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming vs the IPv6 encap= sulation size of a given proposal.

    The en= capsulation savings of a compression proposal vs the SRv6 base is a useful = measurement to compare proposals.

    The en= capsulation metric (E) records the number of bytes required for a proposal = to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

     = I.e. E(proposal, segment list)

    The en= capsulation savings  (ES) records the encapsulation savings for a prop= osal to encapsulate a packet given a specific segment list.

     = I.e. ES(proposal, segment list) =3D 1 - E(proposal, segment list)/E(SRv6 b= ase, segment list)

     

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weiqiang, I understand why the WG chairs are asking for a more timely response. Would= it be possible for each of us to increase the amount of time that we dedic= ate to this WG to bring in the timeline? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Weiqiang Cheng Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 11:56 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Cc: 'Sander Steffann' Subject: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting plan [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Team, Sander and I got some suggestions from wg chairs, and they hope we could pr= opose a shorter time frame for the both drafts. "Ideally, first drafts of each deliverable would be available at: Stage 1: end of September Stage 2: end of October. (as IETF 109 is November 14-20)" And they also suggested that we could have more meetings, such as two meeti= ngs per week. However, they also believe that delay is less important than the quality an= d usefulness of the documents. So the final decision should be made by design team. Let's know your suggestions or comments on the schedule and the meeting pla= n. B.R. 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I underst= and why the WG chairs are asking for a more timely response. Would it be po= ssible for each of us to increase the amount of time that we dedicate to th= is WG to bring in the timeline?

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From: = Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Weiqiang Cheng
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Hi Team,<= o:p>

Sander an= d I got some suggestions from wg chairs, and they hope we could propose a s= horter time frame for the both drafts.

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“Id= eally, first drafts of each deliverable would be available at:

Stage 1: = end of September

Stage 2: = end of October.

(as IETF = 109 is November 14-20)”

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And they = also suggested that we could have more meetings, such as two meetings per w= eek.

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However, = they also believe that delay is less important than the quality and usefuln= ess of the documents.

So the fi= nal decision should be made by design team.

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Let’= ;s know your suggestions or comments on the schedule and the meeting plan.<= o:p>

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B.R.=

Weiqiang = Cheng

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I suggest that we use = the revision field of our email subjects to post what we believe is the agr= eed upon text of requirements. This allows others to focus on it as the con= clusion or continuation of discussion and re-raise concerns if necessary. 

Darren



From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Weiqiang Cheng <chengweiqiang@chinamobile= .com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:27:03 AM
To: 'Chengli (Cheng Li)' <c.l@huawei.com>; srcomp@ietf.org <= ;srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion?
 

Hi Cheng,

Good point.

In order to trace the status of each requirement, chairs will = maintain a excel table, in which we will record the changing text, discussi= on and the status.

My suggestion is that we run poll one by one until all the ite= ms are closed successfully.

Then we document a draft based on the table.

 

I will make a table and send it to the group soon.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Src= omp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA= =B1=ED Chengli (Cheng Li)
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C23=C8=D5 21:16
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion?

 

Hi Team,

 

When I read the emails, I fou= nd out that we have too many threads in the same time, I need to pay a lot = of time to follow up all of them.

 

IMHO, solutions should be pro= vided to solve this problem. 

=A1=A4         What is the order of the discussion?

=A1=A4         Where is the end of a discussion?

 

Regarding the order, we may n= eed to list them in order, and then discuss one by one? Any suggestion? Cha= irs, please help on this.

Also,  how do we know th= e discussion has been successfully closed? a poll with all supports?=

 

Again, it is not an easy task= that we can finish it in days L

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

--_000_BN6PR11MB4081E1466AE5E431F7D517D6C84B0BN6PR11MB4081namp_-- From nobody Wed Aug 5 02:46:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB5D3A1406 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 02:46:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ZMzC39uf8Rn for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 02:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4013A1401 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 02:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.1]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app05-12005 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee55f2a7ff3b5a-ae61a; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 17:46:27 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee55f2a7ff3b5a-ae61a X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.197]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr01-12001 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee15f2a7ff2c1d-b19c3; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 17:46:27 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee15f2a7ff2c1d-b19c3 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: "'Darren Dukes \(ddukes\)'" , "'Chengli \(Cheng Li\)'" , References: , <020b01d66a17$82bd89a0$88389ce0$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:46:14 +0800 Message-ID: <000601d66b0d$42d328d0$c8797a70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D66B50.50F668D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZpltiG40qmSBsVSEClvwTw9U87MQAfxAbAAC4kl/EAD6y/gA== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIFdoZXJlIGlzIHRoZSBlbmQgb2YgYSBkaXNj?= =?gb2312?b?dXNzaW9uPw==?= X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 09:46:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D66B50.50F668D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daren, We can do it.=20 In parallel, we can consider to make a table to track the progress of = the discussion. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Darren Dukes (ddukes) =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C25=C8=D5 10:20 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Weiqiang Cheng; 'Chengli (Cheng Li)'; = srcomp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion? =20 I suggest that we use the revision field of our email subjects to post = what we believe is the agreed upon text of requirements. This allows others = to focus on it as the conclusion or continuation of discussion and re-raise concerns if necessary.=20 =20 Darren =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Srcomp on behalf of Weiqiang Cheng Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:27:03 AM To: 'Chengli (Cheng Li)' ; srcomp@ietf.org = Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion?=20 =20 Hi Cheng, Good point. In order to trace the status of each requirement, chairs will maintain a excel table, in which we will record the changing text, discussion and = the status. My suggestion is that we run poll one by one until all the items are = closed successfully. Then we document a draft based on the table. =20 I will make a table and send it to the group soon. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Chengli (Cheng Li) =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C23=C8=D5 21:16 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: srcomp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion? =20 Hi Team, =20 When I read the emails, I found out that we have too many threads in the same time, I need to pay a lot of time to follow up all of them. =20 IMHO, solutions should be provided to solve this problem. =20 =A1=A4 What is the order of the discussion? =A1=A4 Where is the end of a discussion? =20 Regarding the order, we may need to list them in order, and then discuss = one by one? Any suggestion? Chairs, please help on this. Also, how do we know the discussion has been successfully closed? a = poll with all supports? =20 Again, it is not an easy task that we can finish it in days L =20 Thanks, Cheng =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D66B50.50F668D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Daren,

We can do it.

In parallel, we can consider to make a table to track the progress of = the discussion.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] = =B4=FA=B1=ED Darren Dukes = (ddukes)
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C25=C8=D5 = 10:20
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Weiqiang Cheng; 'Chengli = (Cheng Li)'; srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Srcomp] Where is the = end of a discussion?

 

I suggest that we use the revision = field of our email subjects to post what we believe is the agreed upon = text of requirements. This allows others to focus on it as the = conclusion or continuation of discussion and re-raise concerns if = necessary. 

 

Darren

 

 

 

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Weiqiang Cheng = <chengweiqiang@chinamobile..com>
Sent: Tuesday, August = 4, 2020 12:27:03 AM
To: 'Chengli (Cheng Li)' = <c.l@huawei.com>; srcomp@ietf.org = <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Where is the end = of a discussion?

 

Hi Cheng,

Good = point.

In order to trace the status of = each requirement, chairs will maintain a excel table, in which we will = record the changing text, discussion and the status.

My suggestion is = that we run poll one by one until all the items are closed = successfully.

Then we document a draft based = on the table.

 

I will make a = table and send it to the group soon.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp = [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Chengli (Cheng = Li)
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC= =E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C23=C8=D5 21:16
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: = srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] Where is the end = of a discussion?

 

Hi Team,

 

When I read the emails, I found = out that we have too many threads in the same time, I need to pay a lot = of time to follow up all of them.

 

IMHO, solutions should be provided = to solve this problem. 

=A1=A4         = What is the order of the = discussion?

=A1=A4         = Where is the end of a = discussion?

 

Regarding the order, we may need to list them in order, and = then discuss one by one? Any suggestion? Chairs, please help on = this.

Also,  how do we know the discussion has been = successfully closed? a poll with all supports?

 

Again, it is not an easy task that = we can finish it in days L

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D66B50.50F668D0-- From nobody Wed Aug 5 02:51:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12D73A1077 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 02:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id azhFBD6aPyw7 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 02:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8F23A0C76 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 02:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.13]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app02-12002 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee25f2a8124913-adf97; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 17:51:33 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee25f2a8124913-adf97 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.197]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr07-12007 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee75f2a812380b-2b150; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 17:51:33 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee75f2a812380b-2b150 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: "'Ron Bonica'" , Cc: "'Sander Steffann'" References: <000601d668e5$5c08ac00$141a0400$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:51:18 +0800 Message-ID: <000b01d66b0d$f7d756c0$e7860440$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01D66B51.05FA96C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZo5VuRWo1W4tGHQ9+p4sBFJfXGMwBrjpGQAB5r9yA= Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting plan X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 09:51:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01D66B51.05FA96C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ron, I think members have worked hard to contribute to the requirement draft. Let=A1=AFs have some discussion in today=A1=AFs meeting. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Ron Bonica =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C25=C8=D5 03:24 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Weiqiang Cheng; srcomp@ietf.org =B3=AD=CB=CD: 'Sander Steffann' =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting plan =20 Weiqiang, =20 I understand why the WG chairs are asking for a more timely response. = Would it be possible for each of us to increase the amount of time that we dedicate to this WG to bring in the timeline? =20 Ron =20 =20 =20 Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Weiqiang Cheng Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 11:56 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Cc: 'Sander Steffann' Subject: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting plan =20 [External Email. Be cautious of content] =20 Hi Team, Sander and I got some suggestions from wg chairs, and they hope we could propose a shorter time frame for the both drafts. =20 =A1=B0Ideally, first drafts of each deliverable would be available at: Stage 1: end of September Stage 2: end of October. (as IETF 109 is November 14-20)=A1=B1 =20 And they also suggested that we could have more meetings, such as two meetings per week. =20 However, they also believe that delay is less important than the quality = and usefulness of the documents.=20 So the final decision should be made by design team. =20 Let=A1=AFs know your suggestions or comments on the schedule and the = meeting plan. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01D66B51.05FA96C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ron,

I think = members have worked hard to contribute to the requirement = draft.

Let=A1=AFs have some discussion in today=A1=AFs = meeting.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp = [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Ron = Bonica
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC= =E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C25=C8=D5 03:24
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Weiqiang Cheng; = srcomp@ietf.org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: 'Sander = Steffann'
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Srcomp] Time frame and meeting = plan

 

Weiqiang,

 

I understand why the WG chairs are asking for a more timely = response. Would it be possible for each of us to increase the amount of = time that we dedicate to this WG to bring in the = timeline?

 

          =             &= nbsp;            = Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use = Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Weiqiang Cheng
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 = 11:56 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Cc: 'Sander Steffann' = <sander@steffann.nl>
Subject: [Srcomp] Time frame and = meeting plan

 

[External Email. Be = cautious of content]

 

Hi Team,

Sander and I got some suggestions = from wg chairs, and they hope we could propose a shorter time frame for = the both drafts.

 

=A1=B0Ideally, first drafts of each deliverable would be = available at:

Stage 1: end of September

Stage 2: end of = October.

(as IETF 109 is November = 14-20)=A1=B1

 

And they also suggested that we could have more meetings, = such as two meetings per week.

 

However, they also believe that = delay is less important than the quality and usefulness of the = documents.

So the final decision should be made by design = team.

 

Let=A1=AFs know your suggestions or comments on the = schedule and the meeting plan.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01D66B51.05FA96C0-- From nobody Wed Aug 5 03:36:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BD83A142C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 03:36:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pRtyLoqmkAKr for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 03:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C813A1410 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 03:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.15]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app02-12002 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee25f2a8bb3909-aef8f; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 18:36:37 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee25f2a8bb3909-aef8f X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.197]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr08-12008 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee85f2a8bb4af2-b5a70; Wed, 05 Aug 2020 18:36:37 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee85f2a8bb4af2-b5a70 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: References: <020b01d66a17$82bd89a0$88389ce0$@com> In-Reply-To: <020b01d66a17$82bd89a0$88389ce0$@com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:36:15 +0800 Message-ID: <004401d66b14$3f2b5250$bd81f6f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01D66B57.4D4E9250" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZpltiG40qmSBsVSEClvwTw9U87MQAfxAbAAD9WYRA= Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] The table to trace the status of discussion X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 10:36:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01D66B57.4D4E9250 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0046_01D66B57.4D4E9250" ------=_NextPart_001_0046_01D66B57.4D4E9250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Team, In order to improve the efficiency of discussion, I prepared a excel table to trace the status of each requirement item. We can have some discussion on it today. B.R. Weiqiang Cheng ------=_NextPart_001_0046_01D66B57.4D4E9250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Team,

In order to improve the = efficiency of discussion, I prepared a excel table to trace the status = of each requirement item.

We can have some discussion on = it today.

 

B.R.

 

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

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Thanks Weiqiang. 

I think both are great. 

Darren

From: Weiqiang Cheng <ch= engweiqiang@chinamobile.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:46:14 AM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; 'Chengli (Cheng = Li)' <c.l@huawei.com>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion?
 

Hi Dar= en,

We can= do it.

In par= allel, we can consider to make a table to track the progress of the discuss= ion.

 =

B.R.

Weiqia= ng Cheng

 =

=B7=A2=BC=FE= =C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Darren Dukes (ddukes)
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C25=C8=D5 10= :20
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Weiqiang Cheng; 'Chengli (Cheng Li)'; srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion?

 

I suggest that we use the rev= ision field of our email subjects to post what we believe is the agreed upo= n text of requirements. This allows others to focus on it as the conclusion= or continuation of discussion and re-raise concerns if necessary. 

 

Darren

 

 

 

From:= Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Weiqiang Cheng <chengweiqiang@chinamobile..com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:27:03 AM
To: 'Chengli (Cheng Li)' <c.l@huawei.com>; srcomp@ietf.org <= ;srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion?

 

Hi Cheng,

Good point.

In order to trace the status of each requirement, chairs will= maintain a excel table, in which we will record the changing text, discuss= ion and the status.

My suggestion is that we run poll one by one until all the it= ems are closed successfully.

Then we document a draft based on the table.

 

I will make a table and send it to the group soon.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Src= omp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA= =B1=ED Chengli (Cheng Li)
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C23=C8=D5 21:16
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] Where is the end of a discussion?

 

Hi Team,

 

When I read the emails, I fo= und out that we have too many threads in the same time, I need to pay a lot= of time to follow up all of them.

 

IMHO, solutions should be pr= ovided to solve this problem. 

=A1=A4         What is the order of the discussion?

=A1=A4         Where is the end of a discussion?

 

Regarding the order, we may = need to list them in order, and then discuss one by one? Any suggestion? Ch= airs, please help on this.

Also,  how do we know t= he discussion has been successfully closed? a poll with all supports?

 

Again, it is not an easy tas= k that we can finish it in days L

 

Thanks,

Cheng

 

 

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 23:16:12 +0800 Message-ID: <005201d66b3b$5aef19f0$10cd4dd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01D66B7E.691259F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZrO1pkFvN4ciM7T9Ky8cJOwLKENA== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] Minutes for DT meeting X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 15:16:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01D66B7E.691259F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Team, Minutes for today's meeting is as follows. Please acknowledge if you agree with the decisions. Srcomp meeting 2020-08-05 14:00 UTC Status: draft Attendees: - Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present] - Ron Bonica of Juniper [present] - Darren Dukes of Cisco [present] - Cheng Li of Huawei [present] - Peng Shaofu of ZTE and [present] - Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present] =====Topic 1===== Stage 1: Prepare the requirement draft by end of September - Phase 1: rough requirements list with several different categories, by 20th of Aug. - Phase 2: one week for review by end of Aug. - Phase 3: finish the draft by 20th of Sep. - Phase 4: one week for review by end of Sep. - Phase 5: Post it to WG and present it at IETF 109 Discussion order: follow the time of items. Stage 2: Prepare the analysis draft by end of November (expected time, Let us talk about the schedule after the first draft finished.) - Input: existing drafts by end of September, - Polling the drafts in WG mail list from Sep 1st to Sep 30th and ensure all the existing drafts counted in. =====Topic 2===== Meetings: One meeting per week Meeting time: UTC: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday for Summer time UTC: 12:00~13:00 on Wednesday for winter time Meeting tools: ZOOM =====Topic 3===== Work Model: 1. Wim/Daren will provide some suggestion on categories (we should get agreement on categories at first) 2. Collect the requirements in parallel 3. Sort the requirements to different categories 4. Discuss the items following the categories periodically Note: If we make important decision, we should ensure all members on line. Decisions should be sent to mail list and everyone should acknowledge. Then the decisions will be used in the group. B.R. 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Hi = Team,

 

Minutes for today’s = meeting is as follows. Please acknowledge if you agree with the = decisions.

 

Srcomp meeting

2020-08-05 14:00 = UTC

 

Status: draft

 

Attendees:

- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile = [present]

- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]

- Darren Dukes of Cisco = [present]

- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]

- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and = [present]

- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DTopic = 1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

Stage 1: Prepare the requirement draft by end of = September

-          = Phase 1:  rough = requirements list with several different categories, by 20th = of Aug.

-          = Phase 2:  one = week for review by end of Aug.

-          = Phase 3:  finish = the draft by 20th of Sep.

-          = Phase 4:  one = week for review by end of Sep.

-          = Phase 5:  Post it = to WG and present it at IETF 109

   Discussion order: = follow the time of items.

 

Stage 2: Prepare the analysis draft = by end of November (expected time, Let us talk about the schedule after = the first draft finished.)

-          = Input: existing drafts = by end of September,

-          = Polling the drafts in = WG mail list from Sep 1st to Sep 30th and ensure = all the existing drafts counted in.

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DTopic = 2=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

Meetings:  One meeting per = week

Meeting time: UTC: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday for Summer = time

          =   UTC: 12:00~13:00 on Wednesday for winter = time

Meeting tools: ZOOM

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DTopic = 3=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

Work Model:

1.       = Wim/Daren will provide = some suggestion on categories (we should get agreement on categories at = first)

2.       = Collect the = requirements in parallel

3.       = Sort the requirements = to different categories 

4.       = Discuss the items = following the categories periodically

 

Note:

If we make important decision, we = should ensure all members on line. Decisions should be sent to mail list = and everyone should acknowledge. Then the decisions will be used in the = group.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, Could we add a category that addresses operational considerations (e.g., de= buggability)? Also, could you provide a sentence describing each category? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia = - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:53 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Requirement Category Proposal [External Email. Be cautious of content] Here is a proposal for the list of categories that could be used: * Functional requirements * Convergence requirements * Scalability requirements * Security Requirements * Efficiency/performance Requirements -> could be split maybe * Migration Requirements If you have other suggestions, open for any changes. --_000_DM6PR05MB634813CCC49A0724E3423080AE4B0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

Could we add a category that addresses operational c= onsiderations (e.g., debuggability)?

 

Also, could you provide a sentence describing each c= ategory?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;          Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:53 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] Requirement Category Proposal

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Here is a proposal for the list of categories that c= ould be used:

  • Functional requirements
  • Convergence requirements=
  • Scalability requirements
  • Securit= y Requirements
  • Efficiency/performance Requirements -&g= t; could be split maybe
  • Migration Requirements

 

If you have other suggestions, open for any changes.=

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I will update all of the requirements that I have submitted with RFC 2= 119 language. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia = - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 11:01 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Optional versus Mandatory requirement [External Email. Be cautious of content] My view on the difference between mandatory and optional requirement should= be reflected by SHOULD (for optional) and MUST (for mandatory) in the requ= irement text. Comments? --_000_DM6PR05MB634883C47B08A44317FA355AAE4B0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

YES! I will update all of the requirements that I ha= ve submitted with RFC 2119 language.

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 11:01 AM
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<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

My view on the difference between mandatory and opti= onal requirement should be reflected by SHOULD (for optional) and MUST (for= mandatory) in the requirement text.

Comments?

 

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<00dc01d66bca$287d8990$79789cb0$@com> To: Weiqiang Cheng X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Minutes for DT meeting X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 08:30:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail-081000AF-D95A-49B3-B275-9796B1C9B09C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Weiqiang, > The minutes of yesterday meeting is as follows. > If it is OK for you, please acknowledge in the mail list. > As we got agreement, all the decisions should be agreed by each members. J= Looks mostly good. One question: > Meetings: One meeting per week > Meeting time: UTC: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday for Summer time > UTC: 12:00~13:00 on Wednesday for winter time > Meeting tools: ZOOM Are you sure this is the right way around? Switching from summer time to win= ter time results in a -1, and then the UTC time is also one lower, which mak= es the meeting two hours earlier in winter for most people. Cheers, Sander --Apple-Mail-081000AF-D95A-49B3-B275-9796B1C9B09C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Weiqiang,=

The minutes of yesterday meeting is as follows.

= If it is OK for you, please acknowledge in the mail list.<= /p>

As we= got agreement, all the decisions should be agreed by each members. <= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J


Looks mostly good. One questi= on:

Meetings:  One meet= ing per week

Meeting time: UTC: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday for Summer time

    &= nbsp;       UTC: 12:00~13:00 on Wednesday for w= inter time

= Meeting tools: ZOOM


Are you sure this is the right way around? Switching from su= mmer time to winter time results in a -1, and then the UTC time is also one l= ower, which makes the meeting two hours earlier in winter for most people.

Cheers,
Sander

<= /body>= --Apple-Mail-081000AF-D95A-49B3-B275-9796B1C9B09C-- From nobody Thu Aug 6 02:00:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B023A1062 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 02:00:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id woD1OQZkGSTE for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 02:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1543A105C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 02:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.17]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app02-12002 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee25f2bc693557-c2ca4; Thu, 06 Aug 2020 17:00:04 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee25f2bc693557-c2ca4 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com ( [10.2.53.197] ) by ajax-webmail-syy-appsvr09-11009 (Richmail) with HTTP; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 17:00:04 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 17:00:04 +0800 (CST) From: =?utf-8?B?56iL5Lyf5by6?= To: Sander Steffann Cc: srcomp Message-ID: <2b015f2bc289cf3-00003.Richmail.00000060846421817951@chinamobile.com> References: <00dc01d66bca$287d8990$79789cb0$@com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_173788_1317422309.1596704404276" X-Priority: 3 X-RM-TRANSID: 2b015f2bc289cf3-00003 X-RM-OA-ENC-TYPE: 0 X-RM-FontColor: 0 X-CLIENT-INFO: X-TIMING=0&X-MASSSENT=0&X-SENSITIVE=0 X-Mailer: Richmail_Webapp(V2.2.22) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Minutes for DT meeting X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 09:00:58 -0000 ------=_Part_173788_1317422309.1596704404276 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sander, Good catch! The UTC time should be the same for both summar and winter. I corrected the time as follows: OLD: "Meetings: One meeting per week Meeting time: UTC: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday for Summer time UTC: 12:00~13:00 on Wednesday for winter time Meeting tools: ZOOM" NEW: "Meetings: One meeting per week Meeting time: UTC: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday Meeting tools: ZOOM" B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 ----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E6=96=87----=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF= =BC=9ASander Steffann =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF= =BC=9AWeiqiang Cheng =E6=8A=84=E3=80=80=E9= =80=81: srcomp =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC= =9A2020-08-06 16:29:53=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Srcomp] Minutes for D= T meetingHi Weiqiang, The minutes of yesterday meeting is as follows. If it is OK for you, please acknowledge in the mail list. As we got agreement, all the decisions should be agreed by each members. J Looks mostly good. One question: Meetings: One meeting per week Meeting time: UTC: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday for Summer time UTC: 12:00~13:00 on Wednesday for winter time Meeting tools: ZOOM Are you sure this is the right way around? Switching from summer time to wi= nter time results in a -1, and then the UTC time is also one lower, which m= akes the meeting two hours earlier in winter for most people. Cheers, Sander ------=_Part_173788_1317422309.1596704404276 Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sander,

Good catch!

The UTC time should be the same = for both summar and winter.

I corrected the time as follows:

OLD:

"Meetings:  One meeting per week

Meeti= ng time: UTC: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday for Summer time

  &n= bsp;         UTC: 12:00~13:00 on We= dnesday for winter time

Meeting tools: ZOOM"


N= EW:

"Meetings:  One meeting per week

Meeting time: UT= C: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday

Meeting tools: ZOOM"


B.R.=

Weiqiang Cheng

 
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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9ASander Steffann&= nbsp; <sander@steffann.nl>
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA= =BA=EF=BC=9AWeiqiang Cheng  <chengweiqiang@china= mobile.com>
=E6=8A=84=E3=80=80=E9=80=81: srcomp&nbs= p;<srcomp@ietf.org>
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4= =EF=BC=9A2020-08-06 16:29:53
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC= =9ARe: [Srcomp] Minutes for DT meeting
Hi Weiqiang,

The minutes of yesterday meeting is as follows.

If it is OK for you, please acknowledg= e in the mail list.

As we got agreement, all the decisions should be agreed by each m= embers. J


Looks mostly good. On= e question:

Meetings:  One meeting per week

Meeting time: UTC: 13:00~14:00 on Wednesday for Summer time

          =   UTC: 12:00~13:00 on Wednesday for winter time

Meeting tools: ZOOM


Hi = Team,

 

Updated according to comments.

 

Srcomp = meeting

2020-08-05 14:00 UTC

 

Status: = draft

 

Attendees:

- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile = [present]

- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]

- Darren Dukes of Cisco = [present]

- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]

- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and = [present]

- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DTopic = 1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

Stage 1: Prepare the requirement draft by end of = September

-          = Phase 1:  rough = requirements list with several different categories, by 20th = of Aug.

-          = Phase 2:  one = week for review by end of Aug.

-          = Phase 3:  finish = the draft by 20th of Sep.

-          = Phase 4:  one = week for review by end of Sep.

-          = Phase 5:  Post it = to WG and present it at IETF 109

   Discussion order: = follow the time of items.

 

Stage 2: Prepare the analysis draft = by end of November (expected time, Let us talk about the schedule after = the first draft finished.)

-          = Input: existing drafts = by end of September

-          = Polling the drafts in = WG mail list from Sep 1st to Sep 30th and ensure = all the existing drafts counted in.

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DTopic = 2=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

Meetings:  One meeting per = week

Meeting time: UTC: 13:00~14:00

Meeting tools: = ZOOM

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DTopic = 3=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

Work Model:

1.       = Wim/Daren will provide = some suggestion on categories (we should get agreement on categories at = first)

2.       = Collect the = requirements in parallel

3.       = Sort the requirements = to different categories 

4.       = Discuss the items = following the categories periodically

 

Note:

If we make important decision, we = should ensure all members on line. Decisions should be sent to mail list = and everyone should acknowledge. Then the decisions will be used in the = group.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weiqiang, Could you share the URL of the Design Team repository? You mentioned that you are developing a spreadsheet with all existing requi= rements. I assume that it would be stored in that repository. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_BN8PR05MB6337D49FAA1236D56BA3E3DAAE490BN8PR05MB6337namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Weiqiang,

 

Could you share the URL of the Design Team repositor= y?

 

You mentioned that you are developing a spreadsheet = with all existing requirements. I assume that it would be stored in that re= pository.

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wim, These seem like very important distinctions. In fact, a requirements metric= should reflect its category. The following are examples: * The metric for a functional requirement should be of the form, "The c= ompression mechanism should do something". * The metric for a scaling requirement should be of the form, "The comp= ression mechanism should support N objects". I will look at the requirements that I have submitted an try to stylize the= ir metrics in this way. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 12:09 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: Requirement Category Proposal [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron. The debuggability would be in an operational requirement category mayb= e * * Functional requirements: requirements that handle the base operation = of SPRING, like adj-sid, prefix-sid handling * Convergence requirements: requirements related to resilience, like FR= R, the mechanisms related to link/node protection * Scalability requirements: requirement related to scaling; the amount = of link/nodes the solution can address, how many services the solution supp= ort * Security Requirements: requirement related to security; security impl= ications * Efficiency/performance Requirements -> could be split maybe; requirem= ents related to overhead of the solution and the data-plane operation (like= lookup/packet manipulation operation) * Migration Requirements: requirements related to the impact to migrate= to such solution * Operational requirements: requirements related to debugging, troubles= hooting, visibility of the solution From: Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 5 August 2020 at 18:48 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: Requirement Category Proposal Wim, Could we add a category that addresses operational considerations (e.g., de= buggability)? Also, could you provide a sentence describing each category? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:53 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Requirement Category Proposal [External Email. Be cautious of content] Here is a proposal for the list of categories that could be used: * Functional requirements * Convergence requirements * Scalability requirements * Security Requirements * Efficiency/performance Requirements -> could be split maybe * Migration Requirements If you have other suggestions, open for any changes. --_000_BN8PR05MB6337399B015A4BB1A0C657B5AE490BN8PR05MB6337namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Wim,

 

These seem like very important distinctions. In fact= , a requirements metric should reflect its category. The following are exam= ples:

 

  • The metric for a functional requirement should be of the form, “= ;The compression mechanism should do something”.
  • The metric for a sc= aling requirement should be of the form, “The compression mechanism s= hould support N objects”.

 

I will look at the requirements that I have submitte= d an try to stylize their metrics in this way.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        Ron

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;       

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 12:09 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Requirement Category Proposal

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Ron. T= he debuggability would be in an operational requirement category maybe=

  •  
  • Functional requirements: requirements tha= t handle the base operation of SPRING, like adj-sid, prefix-sid handling
  • Convergence requirements: requirements related to resili= ence, like FRR, the mechanisms related to link/node protection
  • Scalability requirements: requirement related to scaling; the amou= nt of link/nodes the solution can address, how many services the solution s= upport
  • Security Requirements: requirement related to s= ecurity; security implications
  • Efficiency/performance = Requirements -> could be split maybe; requirements related to overhead o= f the solution and the data-plane operation (like lookup/packet manipulatio= n operation)
  • Migration Requirements: requirements rela= ted to the impact to migrate to such solution
  • Operatio= nal requirements: requirements related to debugging, troubleshooting, visib= ility of the solution

 

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Wednesday, 5 August 2020 at 18:48
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Requirement Category Proposal

 

Wim,

 

Could we add a category that addresses operational c= onsiderations (e.g., debuggability)?

 

Also, could you provide a sentence describing each c= ategory?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;          Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:53 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] Requirement Category Proposal

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Here is a proposal for the list of categories that c= ould be used:

  • Functional requirements
  • Convergence requirements=
  • Scalability requirements
  • Securit= y Requirements
  • Efficiency/performance Requirements -&g= t; could be split maybe
  • Migration Requirements

 

If you have other suggestions, open for any changes.=

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suspectscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=663 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008100112 Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 15:04:21 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348ECBF7E5825FB594A7E77AE440DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: IPv6 Based. Description: The compression mechanism must be IPv6-based. The SR ingress n= ode encapsulates its payload (e.g., Ethernet, IP, TCP) in an IPv6 header. T= he compression mechanism is either: - Encoded in the IPv6 header - Encoded in an IPv6 extension header that follows the IPv6 header. - Encode in both. The IPv6 header persists until it is removed by either by the SR egress nod= e or a penultimate node. Once the IPv6 header is completely processed and = removed, it cannot be re-added. Rational: The SR ingress node calculates routing and non-routing informatio= n regarding the SR path. Non-routing information includes: - DSCP bits - Flow label - Fragmentation information - Authentication information - Destination Options The SR ingress node encodes routing and non-routing information in the IPv6= header and its extensions. If the IPv6 header were removed along the SR pa= th, non-routing information would be lost. Also, transit nodes may update the ECN bits in the IPv6 header. If the IPv6= header were removed, the ECN bits would be lost. Metric: Non-routing information (e.g., DSCP, ECN, Destination Options) must= be delivered from the source node to the destination node. It must not be = delivered to an upper-layer protocol for the purposes of including it in a = new IPv6 header, as is the case in RFC 8663. Category: Functional Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348ECBF7E5825FB594A7E77AE440DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Name: IPv6 Based.

 

Description: The compression mech= anism must be IPv6-based. The SR ingress node encapsulates its payload (e.g= ., Ethernet, IP, TCP) in an IPv6 header. The compression mechanism is either:

 

- Encoded in the IPv6 header=

- Encoded in an IPv6 extension he= ader that follows the IPv6 header.

- Encode in both.

 

The IPv6 header persists until it= is removed by either by the SR egress node or a penultimate node.  On= ce the IPv6 header is completely processed and removed, it cannot be re-added.

 

Rational: The SR ingress node cal= culates routing and non-routing information regarding the SR path. Non-rout= ing information includes:

 

-     &n= bsp;        DSCP bits<= /p>

-     &n= bsp;        Flow label=

-     &n= bsp;        Fragmentation information

-     &n= bsp;        Authentication information

-     &n= bsp;        Destination Options

 

The SR ingress node encodes routi= ng and non-routing information in the IPv6 header and its extensions. If th= e IPv6 header were removed along the SR path, non-routing information would be lost.

 

Also, transit nodes may update th= e ECN bits in the IPv6 header. If the IPv6 header were removed, the ECN bit= s would be lost.

 

Metric: Non-routing information (= e.g., DSCP, ECN, Destination Options) must be delivered from the source nod= e to the destination node. It must not be delivered to an upper-layer protocol for the purposes of including it i= n a new IPv6 header, as is the case in RFC 8663.

 

Category: Functional

 


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Short Name: SR Path Length

 

Description: The compression mech= anism must support SR paths that contains as many as twelve segments.<= /o:p>

 

Rationale: Some network operators= deploy circuitous SR paths that avoid some nodes and visit others.

 

Metric: The compression mechanism= must be able steer a packet through an SR path that contains twelve segmen= ts.

 

Category: Functional


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--_000_DM6PR05MB63480B97F71E3CB4586618F4AE440DM6PR05MB6348namp_-- From nobody Mon Aug 10 08:12:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060743A16AF for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:12:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vDk0n0sl6zQw for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta3.chinamobile.com (cmccmta3.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2D73A1691 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.17]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app09-12009 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee95f3163d1393-0fcdf; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 23:12:19 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee95f3163d1393-0fcdf X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.1.6.7]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr09-12009 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee95f3163d234e-cabf7; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 23:12:19 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee95f3163d234e-cabf7 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 23:12:18 +0800 Message-ID: <03f901d66f28$a3fd9bd0$ebf8d370$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/calendar; method=REQUEST; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZvKKOFFEp2wLAzTYSlqYk6aiyhGwAAAADg Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] SRCOMP DT Weekly Meeting X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 15:12:37 -0000 BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 12.0 MIMEDIR//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:REQUEST X-MS-OLK-FORCEINSPECTOROPEN:TRUE BEGIN:VEVENT ATTENDEE;CN=srcomp@ietf.org;RSVP=TRUE:mailto:srcomp@ietf.org CLASS:PUBLIC CREATED:20200810T151218Z DESCRIPTION:时间: 2020年8月12日星期三 21:00-22:00(UTC+08:00) 北京 ，重庆，香港特别行政区，乌鲁木齐。\n地点: https://huawa n.zoomus.cn/j/1347332879?pwd=bmlSMHVJM0s1OWRQMzIySFdsRkdmUT09\n\n注意: 以上 GMT 时差并不反映夏令时调整。\n\n*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*\n\n Weiqiang Cheng invite you to join the SRCOMP DT weekly meeting.\n\nJoin th e Zoom meeting:\nhttps://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1347332879?pwd=bmlSMHVJM0s1OWR QMzIySFdsRkdmUT09\n\nPassword：SRCOMP\n \nMeeting ID：134 733 287 9\nLook for local phone number：https://huawan.zoomus.cn/teleconference?m =pqWLr7I1fm_1vorVafRj9RqrInMCC7X75KWAvy2ju_0\n\n\nB.R.\nWeiqiang Cheng\n DTEND:20200812T140000Z DTSTAMP:20200810T151218Z DTSTART:20200812T130000Z LAST-MODIFIED:20200810T151218Z LOCATION:https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1347332879?pwd=bmlSMHVJM0s1OWRQMzIySFds RkdmUT09 ORGANIZER;CN="Weiqiang Cheng":mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com PRIORITY:5 SEQUENCE:0 SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=zh-cn:SRCOMP DT Weekly Meeting TRANSP:OPAQUE UID:040000008200E00074C5B7101A82E00800000000909EA8B16B6FD601000000000000000 0100000006527DF5E79A14A4F8254AD83842B19D2 X-ALT-DESC;FMTTYPE=text/html:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, Do we have general consensus that we want the compression mechanism to repl= ace the EVPN VXLAN header? If so, the VNI in the VXLAN header is 24-bits lo= ng. So, the Service Scale requirement should be 2**24 (i.e., 16.7 million). = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:41 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] I said more then >16bit and 1Million was something I know someone deployed.= So I would say lets list what we have as a customer requirement somehow From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 21:07 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Wim, Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want to support 1 million se= rvices, you need 20 bits, not 16. The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a fastest growing VPN serv= ice, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] From: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" > Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07 To: "scromp@ietf.org" > Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Short Name: Service scale Description: The compression mechanism must support > 1Million services (>1= 6bit) Rationale: Some network operators deploy networks which requires > 500K ser= vices. Metric: The compression mechanism allows to work in an environment that sup= port this scalability. --_000_DM6PR05MB6348C527DC94217AFD73D6A9AE440DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

Do we have general consensus that we want the compre= ssion mechanism to replace the EVPN VXLAN header? If so, the VNI in the VXL= AN header is 24-bits long. So, the Service Scale requirement should be 2**2= 4 (i.e., 16.7 million).

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   Ron

 

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:41 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

I said more then >16bit and 1Million was somethin= g I know someone deployed. So I would say lets list what we have as a custo= mer requirement somehow

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 21:07
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want = to support 1 million services, you need 20 bits, not 16.

 

The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a f= astest growing VPN service, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp; Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

 

 

From= : "Henderickx,= Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07
To: "scromp@ietf.org&quo= t; <scromp@ietf.org>
Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Short Name: Service scal= e

 =

Description: The compres= sion mechanism must support > 1Million services (>16bit)

 =

Rationale: Some network = operators deploy networks which requires > 500K services.

 =

Metric: The compression = mechanism allows to work in an environment that support this scalability.

 

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--_000_DM6PR05MB63489FC4F0848635914F6B05AE440DM6PR05MB6348namp_-- From nobody Mon Aug 10 08:38:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8303A16BD for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:38:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FzoxYhoHkDtv for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169EA3A16C1 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.3]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app03-12003 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee35f3169c91dc-0f5bd; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 23:37:47 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee35f3169c91dc-0f5bd X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.1.6.7]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr02-12002 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee25f3169c9886-cb05e; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 23:37:47 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee25f3169c9886-cb05e From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: "'Ron Bonica'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 23:37:47 +0800 Message-ID: <041801d66f2c$32ed8780$98c89680$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0419_01D66F6F.4110C780" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZsyKURTtvctPEeRWu5aKJLS9+sOgCY1F7A Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] DT repository X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 15:38:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0419_01D66F6F.4110C780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ron, We=A1=AFve created a github space as following link: https://github.com/IETF-srcomp/documents The meeting minutes and the document have been uploaded. =20 =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Ron Bonica =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C27=C8=D5 22:42 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: srcomp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] DT repository =20 Weiqiang, =20 Could you share the URL of the Design Team repository? =20 You mentioned that you are developing a spreadsheet with all existing requirements. I assume that it would be stored in that repository. =20 =20 Ron =20 Juniper Business Use Only ------=_NextPart_000_0419_01D66F6F.4110C780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ron,

We=A1=AFve created a github = space as following link:

https://github.com/IETF= -srcomp/documents

The meeting = minutes and the document have been uploaded.

 

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp = [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Ron = Bonica
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C27=C8=D5 22:42
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: = srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] DT = repository

 

Weiqiang,

 

Could you share the URL of the = Design Team repository?

 

You mentioned that you are developing a spreadsheet with = all existing requirements. I assume that it would be stored in that = repository.

 

          =    =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  Ron

 

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=0A ------=_001_NextPart171868531751_=------ From nobody Tue Aug 11 04:53:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4577C3A0FE7 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 04:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l22c-ZpmeHO4 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 04:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4E263A0FE6 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 04:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml711-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 6EF4397F6227E41F0E4B for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:53:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml711-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.62) by lhreml711-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.62) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:53:52 +0100 Received: from DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.39) by lhreml711-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.62) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:53:51 +0100 Received: from DGGEML509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.78]) by DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::b177:a243:7a69:5ab8%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:53:49 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: "xiechf@chinatelecom.cn" , srcomp Thread-Topic: [Srcomp] Just a test... Thread-Index: AQHWb85JK0hmn934Uk+9DFKyQ8NSpakyzHKw Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:53:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: <202008111857380480401@chinatelecom.cn> In-Reply-To: <202008111857380480401@chinatelecom.cn> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.243.130] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B64001dggeml509mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Just a test... X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:53:56 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B64001dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ack :) From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of xiechf@chinatele= com.cn Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 6:58 PM To: srcomp Subject: [Srcomp] Just a test... Cheers! Chongfeng --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B64001dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@= ietf.org] On Behalf Of xiechf@chinatelecom.cn
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 6:58 PM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Just a test...

 

Cheers!

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Wim,

 

I don’t know of any deployments that scale lar= ger than 1 million. However, if we want to replace VXLAN, we need to be as = capable as VXLAN.

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 1:20 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

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I don’t know only use case which comes to 16M = so far, I know 1 deployment which is getting close to 1M, this is why I sug= gested at least 20 bit. If we know deployments that need this scale would b= e good to know, but if you have local significant usage this would be 20 bit * # devices. So network wide this is massive.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 10 August 2020 at 17:12
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Folks,

 

Do we have general consensus that we want the compre= ssion mechanism to replace the EVPN VXLAN header? If so, the VNI in the VXL= AN header is 24-bits long. So, the Service Scale requirement should be 2**2= 4 (i.e., 16.7 million).

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:41 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
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I said more then >16bit and 1Million was somethin= g I know someone deployed. So I would say lets list what we have as a custo= mer requirement somehow

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 21:07
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want = to support 1 million services, you need 20 bits, not 16.

 

The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a f= astest growing VPN service, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits.

 

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Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM
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From= : "Henderickx,= Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07
To: "scromp@ietf.org&quo= t; <scromp@ietf.org>
Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Short Name: Service scal= e

 =

Description: The compres= sion mechanism must support > 1Million services (>16bit)

 =

Rationale: Some network = operators deploy networks which requires > 500K services.

 =

Metric: The compression = mechanism allows to work in an environment that support this scalability.

 

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<05f901d67075$fb7dab90$f27902b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05FA_01D670B9.09A0EB90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZsyKURTtvctPEeRWu5aKJLS9+sOgCY1F7AAADBoUAAUbP4YA== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgRFQgcmVwb3NpdG9yeQ==?= X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 06:58:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05FA_01D670B9.09A0EB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ron, Yes, we can add a column when we get agreement on the categories. We can discuss the categories at today=E2=80=99s meeting. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng=20 =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Ron Bonica =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8811=E6=97=A5 = 00:00 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Weiqiang Cheng; 'Ron Bonica'; = srcomp@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Srcomp] DT repository =20 Weiqiang, =20 Thanks for compiling the spreadsheet. =20 Maybe we can add a column assigning each requirement to one of = Wim=E2=80=99s categories? =20 = Ron =20 =20 =20 Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Weiqiang Cheng Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 11:38 AM To: 'Ron Bonica' ; = srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] DT repository =20 [External Email. Be cautious of content] =20 Hi Ron, We=E2=80=99ve created a github space as following link: https://github.com/IETF-srcomp/documents The meeting minutes and the document have been uploaded. =20 =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Ron Bonica =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 = 22:42 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: srcomp@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Srcomp] DT repository =20 Weiqiang, =20 Could you share the URL of the Design Team repository? =20 You mentioned that you are developing a spreadsheet with all existing = requirements. I assume that it would be stored in that repository. =20 = Ron =20 Juniper Business Use Only ------=_NextPart_000_05FA_01D670B9.09A0EB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ron,

Yes, we can add a column when = we get agreement on the categories.

We can discuss the categories = at today=E2=80=99s meeting.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng =

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: Srcomp = [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 Ron = Bonica
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8811=E6=97=A5 00:00
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Weiqiang Cheng; 'Ron = Bonica'; srcomp@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Srcomp] DT = repository

 

Weiqiang,

 

Thanks for compiling the = spreadsheet.

 

Maybe we can add a column assigning each requirement to one = of Wim=E2=80=99s categories?

 

          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;      =        Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp = <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Weiqiang = Cheng
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 11:38 AM
To: = 'Ron Bonica' <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; = srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] DT = repository

 

[External Email. = Be cautious of content]

 

Hi Ron,

We=E2=80=99ve = created a github space as following link:

https://github.com/IETF= -srcomp/documents

The meeting = minutes and the document have been uploaded.

 

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 

 

Weiqiang,

 

Could you share the URL of the = Design Team repository?

 

You mentioned that you are developing a spreadsheet with = all existing requirements. I assume that it would be stored in that = repository.

 

          =    =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  Ron

 

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wim and Ron, I'm a bit concerned that over-specification of scale requir= ements goes beyond SR compression and into general requirements for an SR i= nstantiation and the myriad services it supports. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia = - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:02 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 See if we believe 24 bit is needed let=92s do it, but I didn=92t want to ov= er specify. Also if we do local significant assignment we have a massive sc= ale even with 20 bit. If we all believe 24 bit is the way to go I will update the requirement. From: Ron Bonica Date: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 16:04 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" , "src= omp@ietf.org" Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Wim, I don=92t know of any deployments that scale larger than 1 million. However= , if we want to replace VXLAN, we need to be as capable as VXLAN. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 1:20 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] I don=92t know only use case which comes to 16M so far, I know 1 deployment= which is getting close to 1M, this is why I suggested at least 20 bit. If = we know deployments that need this scale would be good to know, but if you = have local significant usage this would be 20 bit * # devices. So network w= ide this is massive. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Monday, 10 August 2020 at 17:12 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Folks, Do we have general consensus that we want the compression mechanism to repl= ace the EVPN VXLAN header? If so, the VNI in the VXLAN header is 24-bits lo= ng. So, the Service Scale requirement should be 2**24 (i.e., 16.7 million). = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:41 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] I said more then >16bit and 1Million was something I know someone deployed.= So I would say lets list what we have as a customer requirement somehow From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 21:07 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Wim, Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want to support 1 million se= rvices, you need 20 bits, not 16. The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a fastest growing VPN serv= ice, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] From: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" > Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07 To: "scromp@ietf.org" > Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Short Name: Service scale Description: The compression mechanism must support > 1Million services (>1= 6bit) Rationale: Some network operators deploy networks which requires > 500K ser= vices. Metric: The compression mechanism allows to work in an environment that sup= port this scalability. --_000_BN6PR11MB408182E3B3F5A7FEBAF22C8FC8420BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Wim and Ron, I'm a bit concerned that over-specification of scale requir= ements goes beyond SR compression and into general requirements for an SR i= nstantiation and the myriad services it supports.

Darren
From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <wim= .henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:02 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org <srco= mp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00
 

See if we believe = 24 bit is needed let=92s do it, but I didn=92t want to over specify. Also i= f we do local significant assignment we have a massive scale even with 20 b= it.

If we all believe = 24 bit is the way to go I will update the requirement.

 

F= rom: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 16:04
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderi= ckx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

I don=92t know of any deployments that scale large= r than 1 million. However, if we want to replace VXLAN, we need to be as ca= pable as VXLAN.

 

        &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;      Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) = <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 1:20 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= b>[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

I don=92t know only use case which comes to 16M so= far, I know 1 deployment which is getting close to 1M, this is why I sugge= sted at least 20 bit. If we know deployments that need this scale would be = good to know, but if you have local significant usage this would be 20 bit * # devices. So network wide this i= s massive.

 

F= rom: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 10 August 2020 at 17:12
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Folks,

 

Do we have general consensus that we want the comp= ression mechanism to replace the EVPN VXLAN header? If so, the VNI in the V= XLAN header is 24-bits long. So, the Service Scale requirement should be 2*= *24 (i.e., 16.7 million).

 

        &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;    Ron

 

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) = <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:41 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= b>[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

I said more then >16bit and 1Million was someth= ing I know someone deployed. So I would say lets list what we have as a cus= tomer requirement somehow

 

F= rom: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 21:07
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you wan= t to support 1 million services, you need 20 bits, not 16.

 

The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a= fastest growing VPN service, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits.<= /p>

 

        &n= bsp;            = ;             &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

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F= rom: "Henderickx, Wim (No= kia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim= .henderickx@nokia.com>
Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07
To: "scromp@ietf.org&quo= t; <scromp@ietf.org>
Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Short Name: Service sc= ale

 

Description: The compr= ession mechanism must support > 1Million services (>16bit)<= /span>

 

Rationale: Some networ= k operators deploy networks which requires > 500K services.

 

Metric: The compressio= n mechanism allows to work in an environment that support this scalability.=

 

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Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:07:28 +0000 From: Ron Bonica To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" , "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Srcomp] Meeting? 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X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:07:33 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB634848ADA6CF596CD4A87B3DAE420DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's give the chairs 5 minutes to fix it. Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 9:06 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting? [External Email. Be cautious of content] Yes same issue here. Should I setup Teams or WebEx ? From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 12 August 2020 at 15:02 To: "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting? Is anyone else having trouble logging into the meeting? 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Let’s give the chairs 5 minutes to fix it.

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 9:06 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting?

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Yes same issue here. Should I setup Teams or WebEx ?=

 

From= : Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on beh= alf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Wednesday, 12 August 2020 at 15:02
To: "srcomp@ietf.org&quo= t; <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting?

 

Is anyone else having trouble logging into the meeti= ng?

 

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AdZvJ3DKRdU8PlnAR9ihEOKTOSg0zgBgEkEA Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIFJFUS03LTI0LWlwdjYtYmFzZWQtMDE=?= X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:13:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D670F5.D26DADB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ron, Could I replace the REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 with this directly in the = excel table? =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Ron Bonica =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C210=C8=D5 23:04 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: srcomp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 =20 Short Name: IPv6 Based. =20 Description: The compression mechanism must be IPv6-based. The SR = ingress node encapsulates its payload (e.g.., Ethernet, IP, TCP) in an IPv6 = header. The compression mechanism is either: =20 - Encoded in the IPv6 header - Encoded in an IPv6 extension header that follows the IPv6 header. - Encode in both. =20 The IPv6 header persists until it is removed by either by the SR egress = node or a penultimate node. Once the IPv6 header is completely processed and removed, it cannot be re-added. =20 Rational: The SR ingress node calculates routing and non-routing = information regarding the SR path. Non-routing information includes: =20 - DSCP bits - Flow label - Fragmentation information - Authentication information - Destination Options =20 The SR ingress node encodes routing and non-routing information in the = IPv6 header and its extensions. If the IPv6 header were removed along the SR path, non-routing information would be lost. =20 Also, transit nodes may update the ECN bits in the IPv6 header. If the = IPv6 header were removed, the ECN bits would be lost. =20 Metric: Non-routing information (e.g., DSCP, ECN, Destination Options) = must be delivered from the source node to the destination node. It must not = be delivered to an upper-layer protocol for the purposes of including it in = a new IPv6 header, as is the case in RFC 8663. =20 Category: Functional =20 =20 Juniper Business Use Only ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D670F5.D26DADB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ron,

Could I replace the = REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 with this directly in the excel = table?

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp = [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Ron = Bonica
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC= =E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C210=C8=D5 23:04
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: = srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] = REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01

 

Short Name: = IPv6 Based.

 <= /o:p>

Description:= The compression mechanism must be IPv6-based. The SR ingress node = encapsulates its payload (e.g.., Ethernet, IP, TCP) in an IPv6 header. = The compression mechanism is either:

 <= /o:p>

- Encoded = in the IPv6 header

- Encoded = in an IPv6 extension header that follows the IPv6 = header.

- Encode in = both.

 <= /o:p>

The IPv6 = header persists until it is removed by either by the SR egress node or a = penultimate node.  Once the IPv6 header is completely processed and = removed, it cannot be re-added.

 <= /o:p>

Rational: = The SR ingress node calculates routing and non-routing information = regarding the SR path. Non-routing information = includes:

 <= /o:p>

-  = ;            DSCP = bits

-  = ;            Flow = label

-  = ;            = Fragmentation information

-  = ;            = Authentication information

-  = ;          =   Destination Options

 <= /o:p>

The SR = ingress node encodes routing and non-routing information in the IPv6 = header and its extensions. If the IPv6 header were removed along the SR = path, non-routing information would be lost.

 <= /o:p>

Also, = transit nodes may update the ECN bits in the IPv6 header. If the IPv6 = header were removed, the ECN bits would be lost.

 <= /o:p>

Metric: = Non-routing information (e.g., DSCP, ECN, Destination Options) must be = delivered from the source node to the destination node. It must not be = delivered to an upper-layer protocol for the purposes of including it in = a new IPv6 header, as is the case in RFC 8663.

 

Category: = Functional

 

 

= Juniper Business Use Only

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D670F5.D26DADB0-- From nobody Wed Aug 12 07:14:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B21F3A12A9 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:13:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nAc8kuYX9wGx for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta3.chinamobile.com (cmccmta3.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD993A12B6 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.13]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app09-12009 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee95f33f90e36a-3df74; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 22:13:35 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee95f33f90e36a-3df74 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.197]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr07-12007 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee75f33f90e2ca-a8451; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 22:13:35 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee75f33f90e2ca-a8451 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 22:13:34 +0800 Message-ID: <000401d670b2$c3f066d0$4bd13470$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01D670F5.D213A6D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZwsrAMWzY8lwIGQq6vK6sA0Gma0A== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] 2020-08-12 Minutes for DT meeting-draft X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:13:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01D670F5.D213A6D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01D670F5.D213A6D0" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01D670F5.D213A6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi team, Today=A1=AFs minutes is as follows. Any comments let me know. =20 Srcomp meeting 2020-08-12 13:00 UTC =20 Status: draft =20 Attendees: - Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present] - Ron Bonica of Juniper [present] - Darren Dukes of Cisco [present] - Cheng Li of Huawei [present] - Peng Shaofu of ZTE and [present] - Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present] - Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present] =20 =3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D We will try to use the following requirement Category Proposal=A3=BA * Functional requirements: requirements that handle the base operation of SPRING, like adj-sid, prefix-sid handling * Convergence requirements: requirements related to resilience, like FRR, the mechanisms related to link/node protection * Scalability requirements: requirement related to scaling; the amount of link/nodes the solution can address, how many services the solution support * Security Requirements: requirement related to security; security implications * Efficiency/performance Requirements -> could be split maybe; requirements related to overhead of the solution and the data-plane operation (like lookup/packet manipulation operation) * Migration Requirements: requirements related to the impact to migrate to such solution * Operational requirements: requirements related to debugging, troubleshooting, visibility of the solution =20 =3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic2=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D We labeled the requirement items according to the category as enclosed = file. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3DActions=3D=3D=3D=3D 1. Weiqiang will update the table and create sheets based on the = categories instead of owners 2. Next week, let's check whether the existing items in the same = category are duplicated or can be merged. =20 =20 Weiqiang Cheng ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01D670F5.D213A6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = team,

Today=A1=AFs minutes is as follows. Any comments let me = know.

 

Srcomp meeting

2020-08-12 13:00 = UTC

 

Status: draft

 

Attendees:

- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile = [present]

- Ron Bonica of Juniper = [present]

- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]

- Cheng Li of Huawei = [present]

- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and [present]

- Wim Henderickx of Nokia = [present]

- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom = [present]

 

=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

We will try to use the following = requirement Category Proposal=A3=BA

  • Functional requirements: requirements that = handle the base operation of SPRING, like adj-sid, prefix-sid = handling
  • Convergence = requirements: requirements related to resilience, like FRR, the = mechanisms related to link/node protection
  • Scalability requirements: requirement related to scaling; = the amount of link/nodes the solution can address, how many services the = solution support
  • Security = Requirements: requirement related to security; security = implications
  • Efficiency/performance Requirements -> could be split = maybe; requirements related to overhead of the solution and the = data-plane operation (like lookup/packet manipulation = operation)
  • Migration = Requirements: requirements related to the impact to migrate to such = solution
  • Operational = requirements: requirements related to debugging, troubleshooting, = visibility of the solution

 

=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic2=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

We labeled the requirement items = according to the category as enclosed file.

 

=3D=3D=3D=3DActions=3D=3D=3D=3D

1. Weiqiang will update the table = and create sheets based on the categories instead of = owners

2. = Next week, let's check whether the existing items in the same category = are duplicated or can be merged.

 

 

Weiqiang = Cheng

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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D670F6.08766190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry. Could I replace the REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-00 with REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 directly in the excel table? =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Weiqiang Cheng = [mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com]=20 =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C212=C8=D5 22:14 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'Ron Bonica'; 'srcomp@ietf.org' =D6=F7=CC=E2: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Srcomp] REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 =20 Hi Ron, Could I replace the REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 with this directly in the = excel table? =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Ron Bonica =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C210=C8=D5 23:04 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: srcomp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 =20 Short Name: IPv6 Based. =20 Description: The compression mechanism must be IPv6-based. The SR = ingress node encapsulates its payload (e.g.., Ethernet, IP, TCP) in an IPv6 = header. The compression mechanism is either: =20 - Encoded in the IPv6 header - Encoded in an IPv6 extension header that follows the IPv6 header. - Encode in both. =20 The IPv6 header persists until it is removed by either by the SR egress = node or a penultimate node. Once the IPv6 header is completely processed and removed, it cannot be re-added. =20 Rational: The SR ingress node calculates routing and non-routing = information regarding the SR path. Non-routing information includes: =20 - DSCP bits - Flow label - Fragmentation information - Authentication information - Destination Options =20 The SR ingress node encodes routing and non-routing information in the = IPv6 header and its extensions. If the IPv6 header were removed along the SR path, non-routing information would be lost. =20 Also, transit nodes may update the ECN bits in the IPv6 header. If the = IPv6 header were removed, the ECN bits would be lost. =20 Metric: Non-routing information (e.g., DSCP, ECN, Destination Options) = must be delivered from the source node to the destination node. It must not = be delivered to an upper-layer protocol for the purposes of including it in = a new IPv6 header, as is the case in RFC 8663. =20 Category: Functional =20 =20 Juniper Business Use Only ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01D670F6.08766190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry.

Could I replace the = REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-00 with REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 directly in the excel = table?

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Weiqiang Cheng = [mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC= =E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C212=C8=D5 22:14
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'Ron Bonica'; = 'srcomp@ietf.org'
=D6=F7=CC=E2: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [Srcomp] = REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01

 

Hi Ron,

Could I replace the = REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01 with this directly in the excel = table?

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp = [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Ron = Bonica
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC= =E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C210=C8=D5 23:04
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: = srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] = REQ-7-24-ipv6-based-01

 

Short Name: = IPv6 Based.

 <= /o:p>

Description:= The compression mechanism must be IPv6-based. The SR ingress node = encapsulates its payload (e.g.., Ethernet, IP, TCP) in an IPv6 header. = The compression mechanism is either:

 <= /o:p>

- Encoded = in the IPv6 header

- Encoded = in an IPv6 extension header that follows the IPv6 = header.

- Encode in = both.

 <= /o:p>

The IPv6 = header persists until it is removed by either by the SR egress node or a = penultimate node.  Once the IPv6 header is completely processed and = removed, it cannot be re-added.

 <= /o:p>

Rational: = The SR ingress node calculates routing and non-routing information = regarding the SR path. Non-routing information = includes:

 <= /o:p>

-  = ;            DSCP = bits

-  = ;            Flow = label

-  = ;            = Fragmentation information

-  = ;            = Authentication information

-  = ;          =   Destination Options

 <= /o:p>

The SR = ingress node encodes routing and non-routing information in the IPv6 = header and its extensions. If the IPv6 header were removed along the SR = path, non-routing information would be lost.

 <= /o:p>

Also, = transit nodes may update the ECN bits in the IPv6 header. If the IPv6 = header were removed, the ECN bits would be lost.

 <= /o:p>

Metric: = Non-routing information (e.g., DSCP, ECN, Destination Options) must be = delivered from the source node to the destination node. It must not be = delivered to an upper-layer protocol for the purposes of including it in = a new IPv6 header, as is the case in RFC 8663.

 

Category: = Functional

 

 

= Juniper Business Use Only

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Darren,

 

If all of the proposed compression mechanism maintai= ned a strict separation between traffic engineering and services, I would a= gree with you. But they don’t.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.= com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:51 AM
To: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@nokia.co= m>; Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi Wim = and Ron, I'm a bit concerned that over-specification of scale requirements = goes beyond SR compression and into general requirements for an SR instanti= ation and the myriad services it supports.

&n= bsp;

Darren<= o:p>

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE= /Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@no= kia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:02 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

See if we believe 24 bit is needed let’s do i= t, but I didn’t want to over specify. Also if we do local significant= assignment we have a massive scale even with 20 bit.

If we all believe 24 bit is the way to go I will up= date the requirement.

 

Fro= m: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 16:04
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

I don’t know of any deployments that scale la= rger than 1 million. However, if we want to replace VXLAN, we need to be as= capable as VXLAN.

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &= lt;wim.henderickx@nokia.com= >
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 1:20 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

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I don’t know only use case which comes to 16M= so far, I know 1 deployment which is getting close to 1M, this is why I su= ggested at least 20 bit. If we know deployments that need this scale would = be good to know, but if you have local significant usage this would be 20 bit * # devices. So network wide this is massive.

 

Fro= m: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 10 August 2020 at 17:12
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Folks,

 

Do we have general consensus that we want the compr= ession mechanism to replace the EVPN VXLAN header? If so, the VNI in the VX= LAN header is 24-bits long. So, the Service Scale requirement should be 2**= 24 (i.e., 16.7 million).

 

        &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =     Ron

 

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &= lt;wim.henderickx@nokia.com= >
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:41 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

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I said more then >16bit and 1Million was somethi= ng I know someone deployed. So I would say lets list what we have as a cust= omer requirement somehow

 

Fro= m: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 21:07
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want= to support 1 million services, you need 20 bits, not 16.

 

The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a = fastest growing VPN service, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits.

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

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Fro= m: "Henderickx, Wim (Nok= ia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.= henderickx@nokia.com>
Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07
To: "scromp@ietf.org&quo= t; <scromp@ietf.org>
Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Short Name: Service sca= le

 

Description: The compre= ssion mechanism must support > 1Million services (>16bit)

 

Rationale: Some network= operators deploy networks which requires > 500K services.

 

Metric: The compression= mechanism allows to work in an environment that support this scalability.<= /span>

 

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definitions=main-2008130137 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:35:07 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348C52FA4700DF15C90C73BAE430DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, Is that for service instructions only? If so, I think that this is a good i= dea. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:59 PM To: Ron Bonica ; Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Why don't we create 2 requirements. 1 with 20 bit for local significant allocation and a 2nd for 24 bit with gl= obal allocation. I believe we should decouple ourselves in req. from the way solutions are p= roposed. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 13 August 2020 at 16:14 To: Darren Dukes >, "Henderickx, = Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Darren, If all of the proposed compression mechanism maintained a strict separation= between traffic engineering and services, I would agree with you. But they= don't. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:51 AM To: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) >; Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Hi Wim and Ron, I'm a bit concerned that over-specification of scale requir= ements goes beyond SR compression and into general requirements for an SR i= nstantiation and the myriad services it supports. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:02 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org > Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 See if we believe 24 bit is needed let's do it, but I didn't want to over s= pecify. Also if we do local significant assignment we have a massive scale = even with 20 bit. If we all believe 24 bit is the way to go I will update the requirement. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 16:04 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Wim, I don't know of any deployments that scale larger than 1 million. However, = if we want to replace VXLAN, we need to be as capable as VXLAN. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 1:20 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] I don't know only use case which comes to 16M so far, I know 1 deployment w= hich is getting close to 1M, this is why I suggested at least 20 bit. If we= know deployments that need this scale would be good to know, but if you ha= ve local significant usage this would be 20 bit * # devices. So network wid= e this is massive. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Monday, 10 August 2020 at 17:12 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Folks, Do we have general consensus that we want the compression mechanism to repl= ace the EVPN VXLAN header? If so, the VNI in the VXLAN header is 24-bits lo= ng. So, the Service Scale requirement should be 2**24 (i.e., 16.7 million). = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:41 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] I said more then >16bit and 1Million was something I know someone deployed.= So I would say lets list what we have as a customer requirement somehow From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 21:07 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Wim, Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want to support 1 million se= rvices, you need 20 bits, not 16. The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a fastest growing VPN serv= ice, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] From: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" > Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07 To: "scromp@ietf.org" > Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00 Short Name: Service scale Description: The compression mechanism must support > 1Million services (>1= 6bit) Rationale: Some network operators deploy networks which requires > 500K ser= vices. Metric: The compression mechanism allows to work in an environment that sup= port this scalability. --_000_DM6PR05MB6348C52FA4700DF15C90C73BAE430DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

Is that for service instructions only? If so, I thin= k that this is a good idea.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:59 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) &l= t;ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Why don’t we create 2 requirements.=

1 with 20 bit for local significant allocation and a= 2nd for 24 bit with global allocation.

 

I believe we should decouple ourselves in req. from = the way solutions are proposed.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 13 August 2020 at 16:14
To: Darren Dukes <ddukes@cisc= o.com>, "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, &quo= t;srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Darren,

 

If all of the proposed compression mechanism maintai= ned a strict separation between traffic engineering and services, I would a= gree with you. But they don’t.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       Ron

 

 

 

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From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:51 AM
To: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>; Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi Wim = and Ron, I'm a bit concerned that over-specification of scale requirements = goes beyond SR compression and into general requirements for an SR instanti= ation and the myriad services it supports.

 <= /span>

Darren<= /span>

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE= /Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@no= kia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:02 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

See if we believe 24 bit is needed let’s do i= t, but I didn’t want to over specify. Also if we do local significant= assignment we have a massive scale even with 20 bit.

If we all believe 24 bit is the way to go I will up= date the requirement.

 

Fro= m: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 16:04
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

I don’t know of any deployments that scale la= rger than 1 million. However, if we want to replace VXLAN, we need to be as= capable as VXLAN.

 

        &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =       Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &= lt;wim.henderickx@nokia.com= >
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 1:20 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

= [External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

I don’t know only use case which comes to 16M= so far, I know 1 deployment which is getting close to 1M, this is why I su= ggested at least 20 bit. If we know deployments that need this scale would = be good to know, but if you have local significant usage this would be 20 bit * # devices. So network wide this is massive.

 

Fro= m: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 10 August 2020 at 17:12
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Folks,

 

Do we have general consensus that we want the compr= ession mechanism to replace the EVPN VXLAN header? If so, the VNI in the VX= LAN header is 24-bits long. So, the Service Scale requirement should be 2**= 24 (i.e., 16.7 million).

 

        &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =     Ron

 

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &= lt;wim.henderickx@nokia.com= >
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:41 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

= [External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

I said more then >16bit and 1Million was somethi= ng I know someone deployed. So I would say lets list what we have as a cust= omer requirement somehow

 

Fro= m: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 21:07
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want= to support 1 million services, you need 20 bits, not 16.

 

The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a = fastest growing VPN service, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits.

 

        &nb= sp;            =              &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp; Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

= [External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

 

 

Fro= m: "Henderickx, Wim (Nok= ia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.= henderickx@nokia.com>
Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07
To: "scromp@ietf.org&quo= t; <scromp@ietf.org>
Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Short Name: Service sca= le

 

Description: The compre= ssion mechanism must support > 1Million services (>16bit)

 

Rationale: Some network= operators deploy networks which requires > 500K services.

 

Metric: The compression= mechanism allows to work in an environment that support this scalability.<= /span>

 

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Wim,

 

In that case, I agree. We should have two separate r= equirements.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;         Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 12:23 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) &l= t;ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Yes it would be for the service function.=

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 13 August 2020 at 21:35
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, Darren D= ukes <ddukes@cisco.com>, &quo= t;srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

Is that for service instructions only? If so, I thin= k that this is a good idea.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:59 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Why don’t we create 2 requirements.=

1 with 20 bit for local significant allocation and a= 2nd for 24 bit with global allocation.

 

I believe we should decouple ourselves in req. from = the way solutions are proposed.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 13 August 2020 at 16:14
To: Darren Dukes <ddukes@cisc= o.com>, "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, &quo= t;srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Darren,

 

If all of the proposed compression mechanism maintai= ned a strict separation between traffic engineering and services, I would a= gree with you. But they don’t.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       Ron

 

 

 

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From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:51 AM
To: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>; Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Hi Wim = and Ron, I'm a bit concerned that over-specification of scale requirements = goes beyond SR compression and into general requirements for an SR instanti= ation and the myriad services it supports.

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Darren<= /span>

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE= /Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@no= kia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 12:02 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

See if we believe 24 bit is needed let’s do i= t, but I didn’t want to over specify. Also if we do local significant= assignment we have a massive scale even with 20 bit.

If we all believe 24 bit is the way to go I will up= date the requirement.

 

Fro= m: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 at 16:04
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

I don’t know of any deployments that scale la= rger than 1 million. However, if we want to replace VXLAN, we need to be as= capable as VXLAN.

 

        &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =       Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &= lt;wim.henderickx@nokia.com= >
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 1:20 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

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I don’t know only use case which comes to 16M= so far, I know 1 deployment which is getting close to 1M, this is why I su= ggested at least 20 bit. If we know deployments that need this scale would = be good to know, but if you have local significant usage this would be 20 bit * # devices. So network wide this is massive.

 

Fro= m: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 10 August 2020 at 17:12
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Folks,

 

Do we have general consensus that we want the compr= ession mechanism to replace the EVPN VXLAN header? If so, the VNI in the VX= LAN header is 24-bits long. So, the Service Scale requirement should be 2**= 24 (i.e., 16.7 million).

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &= lt;wim.henderickx@nokia.com= >
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:41 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

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I said more then >16bit and 1Million was somethi= ng I know someone deployed. So I would say lets list what we have as a cust= omer requirement somehow

 

Fro= m: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 28 July 2020 at 21:07
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Wim,

 

Two to the sixteenth power is only 65k. If you want= to support 1 million services, you need 20 bits, not 16.

 

The EVPN VNI is 24-bits long. Given that EVPN is a = fastest growing VPN service, I suggest that we may actually need 24 bits.

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:17 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

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Fro= m: "Henderickx, Wim (Nok= ia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.= henderickx@nokia.com>
Date: Monday, 27 July 2020 at 18:07
To: "scromp@ietf.org&quo= t; <scromp@ietf.org>
Subject: REQ-7-27-SVC-SCALE-00

 

Short Name: Service sca= le

 

Description: The compre= ssion mechanism must support > 1Million services (>16bit)

 

Rationale: Some network= operators deploy networks which requires > 500K services.

 

Metric: The compression= mechanism allows to work in an environment that support this scalability.<= /span>

 

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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 = Sander = Steffann
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Hi,

My = connectivity at my holiday address was as good as nonexistent, so I = haven=E2=80=99t been able to keep up with activity on this list. I just = wanted to let you all know that I=E2=80=99m still alive and will catch = up with the = list!

Cheers
Sander

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWD-Efficiency: Forwarding Efficiency Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of require= d hardware resources accessed to process a segment. Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are bot= h important. Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues= in implementations. Metric: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forward= ing efficiency of the proposed solution. Two separate metrics are used: o D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during processing of the segment list. o D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list. A proposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement Darren --_000_BN6PR11MB40814EE599053E50E5DF0680C85F0BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FWD-Efficiency: Forwarding Effici= ency

Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of re= quired hardware resources accessed to process a segment.

Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency ar= e both important.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead= to issues in implementations.

Metric: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane fo= rwarding efficiency of the proposed solution.  Two separate metrics ar= e used:

   o  D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers= parsed during
      processing of the segment list.

   o  D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB loo= kups during
      processing of the segment list.

A proposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requir= ement

Darren


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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable STATE-EFFICIENCY: State Efficiency on a node Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of additio= nal states, particularly the number of FIB states required at a node Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and forwarding state are both imp= ortant. Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues in i= mplementations. Metric: The state efficiency metric (S) records the number of additional FI= B entries (states) required by the proposed solution. o S(node parameters): the number of additional FIB entries for a node, = given a set of node parameters consisting of number of nodes in the network= , number of local interface, number of adjacencies. Darren --_000_BN6PR11MB408163246351E332E77ADFBDC85F0BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
STATE-EFFICIENCY: State Efficiency on a node

Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of additio= nal states, particularly the number of FIB states required at a node

Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and forwarding state are both imp= ortant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues= in implementations.

Metric: The state efficiency metric (S) records the number of additional FI= B entries (states) required by the proposed solution.
   o  S(node parameters): the number of additional FIB entri= es for a node, given a set of node parameters consisting of number of nodes= in the network, number of local interface, number of adjacencies.

Darren

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darren, Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actually cares about? I think that an operators' only concern is whether a compression mechanism = can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/power/cos= t budget. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] FWD-Efficiency: Forwarding Efficiency Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of require= d hardware resources accessed to process a segment. Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are bot= h important. Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues= in implementations. Metric: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forward= ing efficiency of the proposed solution. Two separate metrics are used: o D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during processing of the segment list. o D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list. A proposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement Darren --_000_DM6PR05MB6348CDAA31CF6DBC8CBADD65AE5F0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Darren,

 

Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actuall= y cares about?

I think that an operators’ only concern is whether a compression mech= anism can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/pow= er/cost budget.

 

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Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

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FWD-Eff= iciency: Forwarding Efficiency

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Descrip= tion: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of required hardw= are resources accessed to process a segment.

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Rationa= le: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are both impor= tant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues i= n implementations.

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Metric:= The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forwarding eff= iciency of the proposed solution.  Two separate metrics are used:=

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  =  o  D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed duri= ng

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  =  o  D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during<= o:p>

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A propo= sal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes this is important to operators. If their deployed hardware cannot implement a compression scheme at the sca= le and linerate of the deployed non-compressed solution it will cost them m= oney in services or truck rolls. Darren ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY Darren, Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actually cares about? I think that an operators=92 only concern is whether a compression mechanis= m can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/power/c= ost budget. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] FWD-Efficiency: Forwarding Efficiency Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of require= d hardware resources accessed to process a segment. Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are bot= h important. Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues= in implementations. Metric: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forward= ing efficiency of the proposed solution. Two separate metrics are used: o D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during processing of the segment list. o D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list. A proposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement Darren --_000_BN6PR11MB4081F59B6A2EC5D5F6B97EC0C85F0BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes this is important to operators.

If their deployed hardware cannot implement = a compression scheme at the scale and linerate of the deployed non-compress= ed solution it will cost them money in services or truck rolls.

Darren

From: Ron Bonica <rbonic= a=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org = <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY
 

Darren,

 

Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actua= lly cares about?

I think that an operators=92 only concern is whether a compression mechanis= m can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/power/c= ost budget.

 

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Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>= ; On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

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FWD-= Efficiency: Forwarding Efficiency

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Desc= ription: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of required ha= rdware resources accessed to process a segment.

&nbs= p;

Rati= onale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are both im= portant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issue= s in implementations.

&nbs= p;

Metr= ic: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forwarding = efficiency of the proposed solution.  Two separate metrics are used:

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&nbs= p;  o  D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed d= uring

&nbs= p;     processing of the segment list.

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&nbs= p;  o  D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups duri= ng

&nbs= p;     processing of the segment list.

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A pr= oposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement

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Darr= en

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darren, Are we writing requirements to compensate for the limitations of a particul= ar hardware platform? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:31 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] Yes this is important to operators. If their deployed hardware cannot implement a compression scheme at the sca= le and linerate of the deployed non-compressed solution it will cost them m= oney in services or truck rolls. Darren ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srco= mp@ietf.org > Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY Darren, Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actually cares about? I think that an operators' only concern is whether a compression mechanism = can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/power/cos= t budget. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] FWD-Efficiency: Forwarding Efficiency Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of require= d hardware resources accessed to process a segment. Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are bot= h important. Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues= in implementations. Metric: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forward= ing efficiency of the proposed solution. Two separate metrics are used: o D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during processing of the segment list. o D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list. A proposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement Darren --_000_DM6PR05MB6348856557EB65BD37CDC3AEAE5F0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Darren,

 

Are we writing requirements to compensate for the li= mitations of a particular hardware platform?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;  Ron

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40ci= sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:31 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Yes this is important to operators.

 

If their deployed hardware cannot implement a compre= ssion scheme at the scale and linerate of the deployed non-compressed solut= ion it will cost them money in services or truck rolls.

 

Darren

 

From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <dd= ukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

Darren,

 

Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actual= ly cares about?

I think that an operators’ only concern is whether a compression mech= anism can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/pow= er/cost budget.

 

        &nb= sp;            =             &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;     Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

= [External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

FWD-Ef= ficiency: Forwarding Efficiency

 =

Descri= ption: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of required hard= ware resources accessed to process a segment.

 =

Ration= ale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are both impo= rtant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues = in implementations.

 =

Metric= : The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forwarding ef= ficiency of the proposed solution.  Two separate metrics are used:

 =

 =  o  D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed dur= ing

 =     processing of the segment list.

 =

 =  o  D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during=

 =     processing of the segment list.

 =

A prop= osal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement

 =

Darren=

 =

 =

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No. ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 5:24 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes); srcomp@ietf.org Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY Darren, Are we writing requirements to compensate for the limitations of a particul= ar hardware platform? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:31 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] Yes this is important to operators. If their deployed hardware cannot implement a compression scheme at the sca= le and linerate of the deployed non-compressed solution it will cost them m= oney in services or truck rolls. Darren ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srco= mp@ietf.org > Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY Darren, Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actually cares about? I think that an operators=92 only concern is whether a compression mechanis= m can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/power/c= ost budget. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] FWD-Efficiency: Forwarding Efficiency Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of require= d hardware resources accessed to process a segment. Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are bot= h important. Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues= in implementations. Metric: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forward= ing efficiency of the proposed solution. Two separate metrics are used: o D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during processing of the segment list. o D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list. A proposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement Darren --_000_BN6PR11MB40811D7CC8CD09E83ED9CF12C85C0BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No. 

From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 5:24 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes); srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY
 

Darren,

 

Are we writing requirements to compensate for the li= mitations of a particular hardware platform?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;  Ron

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40ci= sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:31 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

= [External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Yes this is important to operators.

 

If their deployed hardware cannot implement a compre= ssion scheme at the scale and linerate of the deployed non-compressed solut= ion it will cost them money in services or truck rolls.

 

Darren

 

From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <dd= ukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

Darren,

 

Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actual= ly cares about?

I think that an operators=92 only concern is whether a compression mechanis= m can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/power/c= ost budget.

 

        &nb= sp;            =             &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;     Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

FWD-E= fficiency: Forwarding Efficiency

 = ;

Descr= iption: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of required har= dware resources accessed to process a segment.

 = ;

Ratio= nale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are both imp= ortant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues= in implementations.

 = ;

Metri= c: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forwarding e= fficiency of the proposed solution.  Two separate metrics are used:

 = ;

 = ;  o  D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed du= ring

 = ;     processing of the segment list.

 = ;

 = ;  o  D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups durin= g

 = ;     processing of the segment list.

 = ;

A pro= posal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement

 = ;

Darre= n

 = ;

 = ;

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you assuming that all operators have a large installed base that cannot= parse multiple extension headers and do an extra lookup while maintaining = acceptable performance? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 8:22 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] No. ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 5:24 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes); srcomp@ietf.org Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY Darren, Are we writing requirements to compensate for the limitations of a particul= ar hardware platform? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:31 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] Yes this is important to operators. If their deployed hardware cannot implement a compression scheme at the sca= le and linerate of the deployed non-compressed solution it will cost them m= oney in services or truck rolls. Darren ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srco= mp@ietf.org > Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY Darren, Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actually cares about? I think that an operators' only concern is whether a compression mechanism = can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/power/cos= t budget. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] FWD-Efficiency: Forwarding Efficiency Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of require= d hardware resources accessed to process a segment. Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are bot= h important. Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues= in implementations. Metric: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forward= ing efficiency of the proposed solution. Two separate metrics are used: o D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during processing of the segment list. o D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list. A proposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement Darren --_000_DM6PR05MB6348BB77786CC58145FBDA92AE5C0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Are you assuming that all operators have a large ins= talled base that cannot parse multiple extension headers and do an extra lo= okup while maintaining acceptable performance?

 

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Juniper Business Use Only

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40ci= sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 8:22 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

No. 

 

Darren,

 

Are we writing requirements to compensate for the li= mitations of a particular hardware platform?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;  Ron

 

 

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From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.o= rg>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:31 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Yes this is important to operators.

 

If their deployed hardware cannot implement a compre= ssion scheme at the scale and linerate of the deployed non-compressed solut= ion it will cost them money in services or truck rolls.

 

Darren

 

From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <dd= ukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

Darren,

 

Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actual= ly cares about?

I think that an operators’ only concern is whether a compression mech= anism can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/pow= er/cost budget.

 

        &nb= sp;            =             &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;     Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

= [External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

FWD-Ef= ficiency: Forwarding Efficiency

 =

Descri= ption: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of required hard= ware resources accessed to process a segment.

 =

Ration= ale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are both impo= rtant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues = in implementations.

 =

Metric= : The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forwarding ef= ficiency of the proposed solution.  Two separate metrics are used:

 =

 =  o  D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed dur= ing

 =     processing of the segment list.

 =

 =  o  D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during=

 =     processing of the segment list.

 =

A prop= osal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement

 =

Darren=

 =

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No Ron. I=92m assuming nothing. In engineering, everything is a trade off. If I=92m looking to choose a video compression encoder to deploy in my vide= o streaming service to reduce bit rates, my biggest two requirements are li= kely: 1- compression ratio 2- performance I may have other requirements, but I certainly want to know how a proposal = meets these first. The same applies to the SR compression design team requirements. When SPRING uses these requirements to choose a compression proposal for SR= they will certainly want to choose one that balances compression and perfo= rmance. There may be other requirements to weigh, but it=92s crucial to kno= w how a proposal meets these. Darren ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 9:28 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes); srcomp@ietf.org Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY Are you assuming that all operators have a large installed base that cannot= parse multiple extension headers and do an extra lookup while maintaining = acceptable performance? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 8:22 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] No. ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 5:24 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes); srcomp@ietf.org Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY Darren, Are we writing requirements to compensate for the limitations of a particul= ar hardware platform? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:31 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] Yes this is important to operators. If their deployed hardware cannot implement a compression scheme at the sca= le and linerate of the deployed non-compressed solution it will cost them m= oney in services or truck rolls. Darren ________________________________ From: Ron Bonica > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) >; srco= mp@ietf.org > Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY Darren, Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actually cares about? I think that an operators=92 only concern is whether a compression mechanis= m can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/power/c= ost budget. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY [External Email. Be cautious of content] FWD-Efficiency: Forwarding Efficiency Description: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of require= d hardware resources accessed to process a segment. Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are bot= h important. Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues= in implementations. Metric: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forward= ing efficiency of the proposed solution. Two separate metrics are used: o D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during processing of the segment list. o D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list. A proposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement Darren --_000_BN6PR11MB4081763BB39C4211AACAF23AC85C0BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No Ron. I=92m assuming nothing.

In engineering, everything is a trade off. 

If I=92m looking to choose a video compression encoder to = deploy in my video streaming service to reduce bit rates, my biggest two re= quirements are likely:
1- compression ratio
2- performance

I may have other requirements, but I certainly want to kno= w how a proposal meets these first. 

The same applies to the SR compression design team require= ments. 

When SPRING uses these requirements to choose a compressio= n proposal for SR they will certainly want to choose one that balances comp= ression and performance. There may be other requirements to weigh, but it= =92s crucial to know how a proposal meets these.

Darren 

From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 9:28 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes); srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY
 

 

Are you assuming that all operators have a large ins= talled base that cannot parse multiple extension headers and do an extra lo= okup while maintaining acceptable performance?

 

        &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =          Ron

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40ci= sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 8:22 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

No. 

 

From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40jun= iper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 5:24 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes); srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

Darren,

 

Are we writing requirements to compensate for the li= mitations of a particular hardware platform?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;  Ron

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes= =3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:31 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.or= g
Subject: Re: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Yes this is important to operators.

 

If their deployed hardware cannot implement a compre= ssion scheme at the scale and linerate of the deployed non-compressed solut= ion it will cost them money in services or truck rolls.

 

Darren

 

From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net= @dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 4:05:50 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp@ietf.or= g <srco= mp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

Darren,

 

Are D.PRS and D.IKU metrics that an operator actual= ly cares about?

I think that an operators=92 only concern is whether a compression mechanis= m can be implemented to forward at line speed at a reasonable space/power/c= ost budget.

 

        &nb= sp;            =             &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;     Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 2:43 PM
To: src= omp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

 

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

FWD-= Efficiency: Forwarding Efficiency

&nbs= p;

Desc= ription: The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of required ha= rdware resources accessed to process a segment.

&nbs= p;

Rati= onale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are both im= portant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issue= s in implementations.

&nbs= p;

Metr= ic: The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forwarding = efficiency of the proposed solution.  Two separate metrics are used:

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;  o  D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed d= uring

&nbs= p;     processing of the segment list.

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;  o  D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups duri= ng

&nbs= p;     processing of the segment list.

&nbs= p;

A pr= oposal that minimizes each of these metrics would meet this requirement

&nbs= p;

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The classification scheme you proposed is cl= ear,  personally I think it will be very useful for the organization = of the requirment document.
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You raise a very important issue. I think that there are three typ= es of functional requirements. Each can be recognized by its metric.<= /o:p>

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The third type of requirement is invali= d, and has a metric of the form:

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Ge= nerally, for a gvien technique, the requirements should originate from its= ultimate user, and the requirements should be straightforward  = and effective to guidance upcoming=0A technqique design, and they should b= e very helpful to resolve the controversy among people. The main= users of Compressed SRv6 are network operators and its customers, so the = requirements extracted from DT's discussion should start from the perspect= ive of operators=0A and theirs customers. Although some points raised are = helpful for Compressed SRv6 design, for instance, complianc= eto RFC XXX,  they should not be considered to be primary requirments= , they can be considered as some kind of design principles.  The stag= e of=0A requiment analysis is very important, but that does not mean the l= onger of the requirement list, the better, we should extract from the requ= irement list and focus on some Killer requirements ultimately.

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Today=E2=80=99s min= utes is as follows. Any comments let me know.

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Srcomp meeting

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Status: draft

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  • Scalability requirements: requirement related to scaling; the amount = of link/nodes the solution can address, how many services=0A the solution = support
  • Security Requirem= ents: requirement related to security; security implications
  • Efficiency/performance Requirements -&= gt; could be split maybe; requirements related to overhead of the solution= and the data-plane=0A operation (like lookup/packet manipulation operatio= n)
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We labeled the require= ment items according to the category as enclosed file.=0A

 

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1. Weiqiang will update the table and creat= e sheets based on the categories instead of owners

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= =0A=0A=0A=0A ------=_001_NextPart668520482673_=------ From nobody Tue Aug 18 20:56:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005F43A114C for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YVBuHD0EMJYC for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3463A1147 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.5]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app06-12006 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee65f3ca2d4d62-c33f5; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:56:04 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee65f3ca2d4d62-c33f5 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.197]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr03-12003 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee35f3ca2d3292-6aa79; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:56:04 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee35f3ca2d3292-6aa79 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:56:04 +0800 Message-ID: <044e01d675dc$a9885f30$fc991d90$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_044F_01D6761F.B7AB9F30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZ13Kk5YsdwEHDlSeeH4ibVBEn5tw== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] Excel file updated X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 03:56:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_044F_01D6761F.B7AB9F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi team=A3=AC I=A1=AFve updated the excel file by category and added the new items = from Aug. 8 to now.=20 You can download it from following link. https://github.com/IETF-srcomp/documents =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng ------=_NextPart_000_044F_01D6761F.B7AB9F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = team=A3=AC

I=A1=AFve updated the = excel file by category and added the new items from Aug. 8 to now. =

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What URL? Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:00 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting [External Email. Be cautious of content] It works for me here From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 14:58 To: "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the meeting? Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB63488D3434310357BD7C7FD2AE5D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What URL?

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

It works for me here

 

From= : Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on beh= alf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 14:58
To: "srcomp@ietf.org&quo= t; <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the meet= ing?

 

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definitions=main-2008190114 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:06:49 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB63485736C6EDB71F7B3E3A09AE5D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's not letting me in. Is there a dial-in number? Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:03 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting [External Email. Be cautious of content] This is the one I used: https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1347332879?pwd=3DbmlSMHVJM0s1OWRQMzIySFdsRkdmUT0= 9 From: Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 15:01 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: [Srcomp] Meeting What URL? Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:00 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting [External Email. Be cautious of content] It works for me here From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 14:58 To: "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the meeting? Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB63485736C6EDB71F7B3E3A09AE5D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It’s not letting me in. Is there a dial-in num= ber?

 

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:03 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

This is the one I used:

https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1347332879?pwd=3DbmlSMHVJM0s1OWRQMzIy= SFdsRkdmUT09

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 15:01
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

What URL?

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

It works for me here

 

From= : Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on beh= alf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 14:58
To: "srcomp@ietf.org&quo= t; <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the meet= ing?

 

Juniper Business Use Only

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Z00m just dropped me Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:03 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting [External Email. Be cautious of content] This is the one I used: https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1347332879?pwd=3DbmlSMHVJM0s1OWRQMzIySFdsRkdmUT0= 9 From: Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 15:01 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: [Srcomp] Meeting What URL? Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:00 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting [External Email. Be cautious of content] It works for me here From: Srcomp > on b= ehalf of Ron Bonica > Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 14:58 To: "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the meeting? Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348389F7AD7C0FCFBF95CFCAE5D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Z00m just dropped me

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:03 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

This is the one I used:

https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1347332879?pwd=3DbmlSMHVJM0s1OWRQMzIy= SFdsRkdmUT09

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 15:01
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

What URL?

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

It works for me here

 

From= : Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on beh= alf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 14:58
To: "srcomp@ietf.org&quo= t; <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting

 

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to the meet= ing?

 

Juniper Business Use Only

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Description: The compression mech= anism must be able to represent SR paths that contain as few as 1 and as ma= ny as 16 segments.

 

Rationale: Most SR paths contain = eight segments of fewer. However, network operators are frequently required= to steer traffic through twelve segments and are occasionally required to steer traffic through sixteen segments.

 

Metric: The compression mechanism= must be able steer a packet through an SR path that contains sixteen segme= nts.

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: Segment Link Local Description: The compression mechanism must not support an SR path if any s= egment in that path has a locator that resembles a link-local address (i.e.= , begins with fe80::/10). Metric: The compression mechanism must not forward packets through an SR pa= th if any segment in that path has a locator that resembles a link-local ad= dress (i.e., begins with fe80::/10) Category: Security Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB634824D759CA93D1C66F591FAE5D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Name: Segment Link Local

 

Description: The compression mechanism must not supp= ort an SR path if any segment in that path has a locator that resembles a l= ink-local address (i.e., begins with fe80::/10).

 

Metric: The compression mechanism must not forward p= ackets through an SR path if any segment in that path has a locator that re= sembles a link-local address (i.e., begins with fe80::/10)

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: Segment Function Diversity Description: SR paths contain one or more segments. Each segment contains a= locator and an function. The compression mechanism must be able to represe= nt SR paths whose segments are diverse from one another with respect to fun= ction. The following are examples of function: * Loosely routed forwarding * Strictly routed forwarding Metric: The compression mechanism must be able to represent an SR path that= contains any valid combination of segment types. Category: Functional Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB634810FF9E4238996CCA6F87AE5D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Name:  Segment Function Diversity

 

Description: SR paths contain one or more segments. = Each segment contains a locator and an function. The compression mechanism = must be able to represent SR paths whose segments are diverse from one anot= her with respect to function. The following are examples of function:

 

  • Loosely routed forwarding
  • Strictly routed forwar= ding

 

Metric: The compression mechanism must be able to re= present an SR path that contains any valid combination of segment types.

 

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Short Name:  Encoding Proportionality

 

Description: The number of bytes required to represe= nt an SR path must be proportional to the number of segments that the SR pa= th contains.

 

Metric: The number of bytes required to represent an= SR path must be proportional to the number of segments that the SR path co= ntains.

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: Segment Locator Diversity Description: SR paths contain one or more segments. Each segment contains a= locator and an function. The compression mechanism must be able to represe= nt SR paths whose segments are diverse from one another with respect to loc= ator type. The following are examples of locator types: * Global Unicast * Unique Local Address * Multicast Address * Link-local Metric: The compression mechanism must be able to represent an SR path that= contains any valid combination of locator types. Category: Functional Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB63483271FF00C3725A44C6FFAE5D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Name:  Segment Locator Diversity

 

Description: SR paths contain one or more segments. = Each segment contains a locator and an function. The compression mechanism = must be able to represent SR paths whose segments are diverse from one anot= her with respect to locator type. The following are examples of locator types:

 

  • Global Unicast
  • Unique Local Address
  • Multicast Address
  • Link-local
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    Metric: The compression mechanism must be able to re= present an SR path that contains any valid combination of locator types.

     

    Category: Functional

     


    Juniper Business= Use Only

--_000_DM6PR05MB63483271FF00C3725A44C6FFAE5D0DM6PR05MB6348namp_-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 18:36:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C005E3A1014 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:36:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ra4qMRJ7wsfy for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta3.chinamobile.com (cmccmta3.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71743A1013 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.11]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app10-12010 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2eea5f3dd37a969-d5462; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:35:55 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2eea5f3dd37a969-d5462 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.197]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr06-12006 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee65f3dd379e6e-9b05e; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:35:54 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee65f3dd379e6e-9b05e From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:35:54 +0800 Message-ID: <04e601d67692$3fb779e0$bf266da0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04E7_01D676D5.4DDAB9E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZ2NzwauOLvwNpfTci/dNS+h0r2AA== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] 2020-08-19 Minutes for DT meeting-draft X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:36:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04E7_01D676D5.4DDAB9E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_04E8_01D676D5.4DDAB9E0" ------=_NextPart_001_04E8_01D676D5.4DDAB9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Team=A3=AC Today=A1=AFs minutes is as follows. Any comments let me know. I also enclosed the updated excel file. If it is needed, you can update it by your self.=20 =20 Srcomp meeting 2020-08-19 13:00 UTC =20 Status: draft =20 Attendees: - Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present] - Ron Bonica of Juniper [present] - Darren Dukes of Cisco [present] - Peng Shaofu of ZTE and [present] - Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present] - Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present] =20 =3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Labeled the new items according to the category=20 =3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic2=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Reviewed the functional, Scalability, efficiency or performance, convergence, migration items and checked if duplicated. The Operational requirements have not been discussed. =3D=3D=3D=3DActions=3D=3D=3D=3D 1) Ron will write 3 items (functional and performance items related = to segments number for the path) based on the REQ-7-27-LOOSE-TE-00 and REQ-7-27-SR-PATH-LENGTH-01 2) Darren will separate REQ-7-27-ARCH-01 to several small items 3) Wim will update REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 4) Shaofu will add two more migration requirements: from IPv6 = network to SRv6 compression, from SRv6 network to SRv6 compression. =20 =20 Weiqiang Cheng =20 ------=_NextPart_001_04E8_01D676D5.4DDAB9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Team=A3=AC

Today=A1=AFs minutes is as follows. Any comments let me = know.

I = also enclosed the updated excel file.

If it is needed, you can update = it by your self.

 

Srcomp meeting

2020-08-19 13:00 = UTC

 

Status: draft

 

Attendees:

- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile = [present]

- Ron Bonica of Juniper = [present]

- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]

- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and = [present]

- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]

- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom = [present]

 

=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Labeled the new items according to = the category

=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic2=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Reviewed the functional, = Scalability, efficiency or performance, convergence, migration items and = checked if duplicated.

The Operational requirements have not been = discussed.

=3D=3D=3D=3DActions=3D=3D=3D=3D

1)      = Ron will write 3 items = (functional and performance items related to segments number for the = path) based on the REQ-7-27-LOOSE-TE-00 and = REQ-7-27-SR-PATH-LENGTH-01

2)      = Darren will separate = REQ-7-27-ARCH-01 to several small items

3)      = Wim will update = REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

4)      = Shaofu will add two = more migration requirements: from IPv6 network to SRv6 compression, from = SRv6 network to SRv6 compression.

 

 

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

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definitions=main-2008200136 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-8-20-IPv6-to-CompSRv6-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:53:09 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348725ABB5B21C8E1287129AE5A0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peng, In the metric, did you mean to say: * The compression mechanism must not cause interoperability problem wit= h legacy *SRv6* devices or * The compression mechanism must not cause interoperability problem wit= h legacy *IPv6* devices = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 3:32 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-20-IPv6-to-CompSRv6-00 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: Migration from IPv6-only to Compression based SRv6. Description: The compression mechanism must support upgrade the existing IP= v6-only node to the compression based SRv6 node directly. Rational: The future network will use IPv6 single stack, and some current n= etwork that deployed IPv6-only mainly used for Internet services will be en= hanced to carry more services with specific SLA. When upgrading the existin= g IPv6-only node to the compression based SRv6 node, it must not withdraw t= he existing IPv6 address planning, and not cause interoperability problem w= ith legacy IPv6-only devices both for control plane and data plane, to mini= mize the impaction on the existing service. A compressed SR path traversing= both IPv6-only nodes and compression based SRv6 nodes must be supported. Metric: The compression mechanism must not cause interoperability problem w= ith legacy SRv6 devices. 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Peng,

 

In the metric, did you mean to say:

 

  • The compression mechanism must not cause interoperability problem wit= h legacy *SRv6* devices

 

or

 

  • The compression mechanism must not cause interoperability problem wit= h legacy *IPv6* devices

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 3:32 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-20-IPv6-to-CompSRv6-00

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

 

Short Name: Migration from IPv6-only to Compression based SRv6.

 

Description: The compression mechanism must support upgrade the existing= IPv6-only node to the compression based SRv6 node directly.

 

Rational: The future network will use IPv6 single stack, and some curren= t network that deployed IPv6-only mainly used for Internet services will be= enhanced to carry more services with specific SLA. When upgrading the exis= ting IPv6-only node to the compression based SRv6 node, it must not withdraw the existing IPv6 address planning, = and not cause interoperability problem with legacy IPv6-only devices both f= or control plane and data plane, to minimize the impaction on the existing = service. A compressed SR path traversing both IPv6-only nodes and compression based SRv6 nodes must be supported.

 

Metric: The compression mechanism must not cause interoperability proble= m with legacy SRv6 devices.  

 

Category: Migration

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, I am not sure that this is a valid requirement. For example, assume the fol= lowing: * Compression mechanism A has little impact on the data plane/control p= lane/framework/addressing * Compression mechanism B greatly simplifies the data plane/control pla= ne/framework/addressing It seems that Compression mechanism B should be preferred. R= on Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:28 AM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Sorry seems to have lost track of this one. I would say the following. Metric: * Impact on data-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a differen= t way compared to the original operation) * Impact on control-plane. (if the control plane needs to be updated to= support the new compression mechanism) * Impact on framework/addressing/ec (if the framework need addressing c= hanges, etc) The more impact you have the worse the score is. Does this make sense? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 17:12 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Can you state the metric that you have in mind? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron, I don't believe your suggestion are metrics, but rather ways to achiev= e it. The metric can be impact on control plane, data plane and addressing to ach= ieve this interoperability. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, We may want to make the metrics a little more specific. May I suggest: * The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C) * The compression mechanism MAY support the following SID types (X, Y, = Z) * If the compression mechanism uses any of the encodings defined in RFC= 7855 or the network programming draft, they must be backwards compatible w= ith legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not requi= red to use any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programm= ing draft. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: The compression solution must be compliant to RFC 7855 and htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-16 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855/NPG, would allow for = a natural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers wh= o deployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sp= ring-srv6-network-programming-16 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348EDDF4360F1EB1718C099AE5A0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

I am not sure that this is a valid requirement. For = example, assume the following:

 

  • Compression mechanism A has little impact on the data plane/control p= lane/framework/addressing
  • Compression mechanism B grea= tly simplifies the data plane/control plane/framework/addressing=

 

It seems that Compression mechanism B should be pref= erred.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;  Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:28 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Sorry seems to have lost track of this one. I would = say the following.

 

Metric:

  • Impact on data-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a differen= t way compared to the original operation)
  • Impact on co= ntrol-plane. (if the control plane needs to be updated to support the new c= ompression mechanism)
  • Impact on framework/addressing= /ec (if the framework need addressing changes, etc)

 

The more impact you have the worse the score is. Doe= s this make sense?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 17:12
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Can you state the metric that you have in mind?=

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            Ron=

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Ron, I don’t believe your suggestion are metri= cs, but rather ways to achieve it.

The metric can be impact on control plane, data plan= e and addressing to achieve this interoperability.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

 

We may want to make the metrics a little more specif= ic. May I suggest:

 

  • The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C)
  • The compression mechanism MAY support the followin= g SID types (X, Y, Z)
  • If the compression mechanism u= ses any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programming dra= ft, they must be backwards compatible with legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not required to use any of the encodings defi= ned in RFC 7855 or the network programming draft.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

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scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008200144 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:55:06 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348385666044A292424292CAE5A0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, How does this requirement benefit operators who have not deployed classic S= Rv6? So long as migration requirements are fulfilled, how does it benefit operat= ors who have deployed SRv6? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:45 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] There are other requirements which focus on efficiency this req. focusses o= n the complexities from migrating to an existing SRv6 deployment to the com= pressed solutions. As such I believe this is a valid requirement From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 18:58 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, I am not sure that this is a valid requirement. For example, assume the fol= lowing: * Compression mechanism A has little impact on the data plane/control p= lane/framework/addressing * Compression mechanism B greatly simplifies the data plane/control pla= ne/framework/addressing It seems that Compression mechanism B should be preferred. R= on Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:28 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Sorry seems to have lost track of this one. I would say the following. Metric: * Impact on data-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a differen= t way compared to the original operation) * Impact on control-plane. (if the control plane needs to be updated to= support the new compression mechanism) * Impact on framework/addressing/ec (if the framework need addressing c= hanges, etc) The more impact you have the worse the score is. Does this make sense? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 17:12 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Can you state the metric that you have in mind? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron, I don't believe your suggestion are metrics, but rather ways to achiev= e it. The metric can be impact on control plane, data plane and addressing to ach= ieve this interoperability. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, We may want to make the metrics a little more specific. May I suggest: * The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C) * The compression mechanism MAY support the following SID types (X, Y, = Z) * If the compression mechanism uses any of the encodings defined in RFC= 7855 or the network programming draft, they must be backwards compatible w= ith legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not requi= red to use any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programm= ing draft. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: The compression solution must be compliant to RFC 7855 and htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-16 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855/NPG, would allow for = a natural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers wh= o deployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sp= ring-srv6-network-programming-16 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348385666044A292424292CAE5A0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

How does this requirement benefit operators who have= not deployed classic SRv6?

 

So long as migration requirements are fulfilled, how= does it benefit operators who have deployed SRv6?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;    Ron

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:45 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

There are other requirements which focus on efficien= cy this req. focusses on the complexities from migrating to an existing SRv= 6 deployment to the compressed solutions.

As such I believe this is a valid requirement

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 18:58
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

I am not sure that this is a valid requirement. For = example, assume the following:

 

  • Compression mechanism A has little impact on the data plane/control p= lane/framework/addressing
  • Compression mechanism B grea= tly simplifies the data plane/control plane/framework/addressing=

 

It seems that Compression mechanism B should be pref= erred.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;  Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:28 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Sorry seems to have lost track of this one. I would = say the following.

 

Metric:

  • Impact on data-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a differen= t way compared to the original operation)
  • Impact on co= ntrol-plane. (if the control plane needs to be updated to support the new c= ompression mechanism)
  • Impact on framework/addressing= /ec (if the framework need addressing changes, etc)

 

The more impact you have the worse the score is. Doe= s this make sense?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 17:12
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Can you state the metric that you have in mind?=

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            Ron=

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Ron, I don’t believe your suggestion are metri= cs, but rather ways to achieve it.

The metric can be impact on control plane, data plan= e and addressing to achieve this interoperability.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

 

We may want to make the metrics a little more specif= ic. May I suggest:

 

  • The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C)
  • The compression mechanism MAY support the followin= g SID types (X, Y, Z)
  • If the compression mechanism u= ses any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programming dra= ft, they must be backwards compatible with legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not required to use any of the encodings defi= ned in RFC 7855 or the network programming draft.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

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definitions=main-2008200153 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:21:31 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB63480D39940BEEA672249BABAE5A0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, So long as the classic mechanism and the compressed mechanism can interoper= ate, or at least co-exist, why would a network operator care how different = they were? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:03 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] It is not relevant to those who have not deployed SRv6, but for the once th= at did it helps them to minimize the impact. So this is why this is relevant. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 19:55 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, How does this requirement benefit operators who have not deployed classic S= Rv6? So long as migration requirements are fulfilled, how does it benefit operat= ors who have deployed SRv6? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:45 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] There are other requirements which focus on efficiency this req. focusses o= n the complexities from migrating to an existing SRv6 deployment to the com= pressed solutions. As such I believe this is a valid requirement From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 18:58 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, I am not sure that this is a valid requirement. For example, assume the fol= lowing: * Compression mechanism A has little impact on the data plane/control p= lane/framework/addressing * Compression mechanism B greatly simplifies the data plane/control pla= ne/framework/addressing It seems that Compression mechanism B should be preferred. R= on Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:28 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Sorry seems to have lost track of this one. I would say the following. Metric: * Impact on data-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a differen= t way compared to the original operation) * Impact on control-plane. (if the control plane needs to be updated to= support the new compression mechanism) * Impact on framework/addressing/ec (if the framework need addressing c= hanges, etc) The more impact you have the worse the score is. Does this make sense? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 17:12 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Can you state the metric that you have in mind? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron, I don't believe your suggestion are metrics, but rather ways to achiev= e it. The metric can be impact on control plane, data plane and addressing to ach= ieve this interoperability. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, We may want to make the metrics a little more specific. May I suggest: * The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C) * The compression mechanism MAY support the following SID types (X, Y, = Z) * If the compression mechanism uses any of the encodings defined in RFC= 7855 or the network programming draft, they must be backwards compatible w= ith legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not requi= red to use any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programm= ing draft. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: The compression solution must be compliant to RFC 7855 and htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-16 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855/NPG, would allow for = a natural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers wh= o deployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sp= ring-srv6-network-programming-16 --_000_DM6PR05MB63480D39940BEEA672249BABAE5A0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

So long as the classic mechanism and the compressed = mechanism can interoperate, or at least co-exist, why would a network opera= tor care how different they were?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;           Ron

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:03 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

It is not relevant to those who have not deployed SR= v6, but for the once that did it helps them to minimize the impact.

So this is why this is relevant.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 19:55
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

How does this requirement benefit operators who have= not deployed classic SRv6?

 

So long as migration requirements are fulfilled, how= does it benefit operators who have deployed SRv6?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;    Ron

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:45 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

There are other requirements which focus on efficien= cy this req. focusses on the complexities from migrating to an existing SRv= 6 deployment to the compressed solutions.

As such I believe this is a valid requirement

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 18:58
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

I am not sure that this is a valid requirement. For = example, assume the following:

 

  • Compression mechanism A has little impact on the data plane/control p= lane/framework/addressing
  • Compression mechanism B grea= tly simplifies the data plane/control plane/framework/addressing=

 

It seems that Compression mechanism B should be pref= erred.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;  Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:28 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Sorry seems to have lost track of this one. I would = say the following.

 

Metric:

  • Impact on data-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a differen= t way compared to the original operation)
  • Impact on co= ntrol-plane. (if the control plane needs to be updated to support the new c= ompression mechanism)
  • Impact on framework/addressing= /ec (if the framework need addressing changes, etc)

 

The more impact you have the worse the score is. Doe= s this make sense?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 17:12
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Can you state the metric that you have in mind?=

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            Ron=

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Ron, I don’t believe your suggestion are metri= cs, but rather ways to achieve it.

The metric can be impact on control plane, data plan= e and addressing to achieve this interoperability.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

 

We may want to make the metrics a little more specif= ic. May I suggest:

 

  • The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C)
  • The compression mechanism MAY support the followin= g SID types (X, Y, Z)
  • If the compression mechanism u= ses any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programming dra= ft, they must be backwards compatible with legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not required to use any of the encodings defi= ned in RFC 7855 or the network programming draft.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM
To: srcomp@ietf.org
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definitions=main-2008210153 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:27:46 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348F4EC5774D55B6A7F7772AE5B0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wim, I agree that operators will care if you have to change the addressing plan.= No routing mechanism should dictate an addressing plan. I think we have th= at in another requirement. However, if the compression mechanism actually simplifies the control plane= , that would probably be a net positive. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:49 PM To: Ron Bonica ; srcomp@ietf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Operators will care: if you have to change the addressing, control plane, e= tc with one option versus not havng to do anything on that front, there is= aa clear benefit of one mechanism to another. This is what we are talking = about. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 21:21 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, So long as the classic mechanism and the compressed mechanism can interoper= ate, or at least co-exist, why would a network operator care how different = they were? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:03 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] It is not relevant to those who have not deployed SRv6, but for the once th= at did it helps them to minimize the impact. So this is why this is relevant. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 19:55 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, How does this requirement benefit operators who have not deployed classic S= Rv6? So long as migration requirements are fulfilled, how does it benefit operat= ors who have deployed SRv6? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:45 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] There are other requirements which focus on efficiency this req. focusses o= n the complexities from migrating to an existing SRv6 deployment to the com= pressed solutions. As such I believe this is a valid requirement From: Ron Bonica > Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 18:58 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, I am not sure that this is a valid requirement. For example, assume the fol= lowing: * Compression mechanism A has little impact on the data plane/control p= lane/framework/addressing * Compression mechanism B greatly simplifies the data plane/control pla= ne/framework/addressing It seems that Compression mechanism B should be preferred. R= on Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:28 AM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Sorry seems to have lost track of this one. I would say the following. Metric: * Impact on data-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a differen= t way compared to the original operation) * Impact on control-plane. (if the control plane needs to be updated to= support the new compression mechanism) * Impact on framework/addressing/ec (if the framework need addressing c= hanges, etc) The more impact you have the worse the score is. Does this make sense? From: Ron Bonica > Date: Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 17:12 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Can you state the metric that you have in mind? Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM To: Ron Bonica >; srcomp@ie= tf.org Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Ron, I don't believe your suggestion are metrics, but rather ways to achiev= e it. The metric can be impact on control plane, data plane and addressing to ach= ieve this interoperability. From: Ron Bonica > Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44 To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" >, "srcomp@ietf.org" > Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 Wim, We may want to make the metrics a little more specific. May I suggest: * The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C) * The compression mechanism MAY support the following SID types (X, Y, = Z) * If the compression mechanism uses any of the encodings defined in RFC= 7855 or the network programming draft, they must be backwards compatible w= ith legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not requi= red to use any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programm= ing draft. = Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp > On B= ehalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:45 AM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Short Name: SPRING FRAMEWORK Description: The compression solution must be compliant to RFC 7855 and htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-16 Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855/NPG, would allow for = a natural evolution in the SPRING WG, and interoperability for customers wh= o deployed SR already Metric: Compliance to RFC7855 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sp= ring-srv6-network-programming-16 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348F4EC5774D55B6A7F7772AE5B0DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wim,

 

I agree that operators will care if you have to chan= ge the addressing plan. No routing mechanism should dictate an addressing p= lan. I think we have that in another requirement.

 

However, if the compression mechanism actually simpl= ifies the control plane, that would probably be a net positive.<= /p>

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            Ron=

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only

From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:49 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Operators will care: if you have to change the addre= ssing, control plane, etc with one option versus not havng to do anything o= n that front,  there is aa clear benefit of one mechanism to another. = This is what we are talking about.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 21:21
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

So long as the classic mechanism and the compressed = mechanism can interoperate, or at least co-exist, why would a network opera= tor care how different they were?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;           Ron

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:03 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

It is not relevant to those who have not deployed SR= v6, but for the once that did it helps them to minimize the impact.

So this is why this is relevant.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 19:55
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

How does this requirement benefit operators who have= not deployed classic SRv6?

 

So long as migration requirements are fulfilled, how= does it benefit operators who have deployed SRv6?

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;    Ron

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:45 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

There are other requirements which focus on efficien= cy this req. focusses on the complexities from migrating to an existing SRv= 6 deployment to the compressed solutions.

As such I believe this is a valid requirement

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 18:58
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

I am not sure that this is a valid requirement. For = example, assume the following:

 

  • Compression mechanism A has little impact on the data plane/control p= lane/framework/addressing
  • Compression mechanism B grea= tly simplifies the data plane/control plane/framework/addressing=

 

It seems that Compression mechanism B should be pref= erred.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;  Ron

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:28 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Sorry seems to have lost track of this one. I would = say the following.

 

Metric:

  • Impact on data-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a differen= t way compared to the original operation)
  • Impact on co= ntrol-plane. (if the control plane needs to be updated to support the new c= ompression mechanism)
  • Impact on framework/addressing= /ec (if the framework need addressing changes, etc)

 

The more impact you have the worse the score is. Doe= s this make sense?

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 17:12
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Can you state the metric that you have in mind?=

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            Ron=

 

 

 

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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l= t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&= gt;
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:58 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@ju= niper.net>; srcomp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Ron, I don’t believe your suggestion are metri= cs, but rather ways to achieve it.

The metric can be impact on control plane, data plan= e and addressing to achieve this interoperability.

 

From= : Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Monday, 3 August 2020 at 16:44
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "srcomp@ietf.org" <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01

 

Wim,

 

 

We may want to make the metrics a little more specif= ic. May I suggest:

 

  • The compression mechanism MUST support the following SID types (A, B,= C)
  • The compression mechanism MAY support the followin= g SID types (X, Y, Z)
  • If the compression mechanism u= ses any of the encodings defined in RFC 7855 or the network programming dra= ft, they must be backwards compatible with legacy implementations. However, the compression mechanism is not required to use any of the encodings defi= ned in RFC 7855 or the network programming draft.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
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\n\n\n X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:TENTATIVE X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE X-MS-OLK-ALLOWEXTERNCHECK:TRUE X-MS-OLK-APPTSEQTIME:20200824T141512Z X-MS-OLK-AUTOSTARTCHECK:FALSE X-MS-OLK-CONFTYPE:0 X-MS-OLK-SENDER;CN="Weiqiang Cheng":mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com BEGIN:VALARM TRIGGER:-PT15M ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:Reminder END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR From nobody Tue Aug 25 20:06:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932103A0C90 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:06:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gy2fTwuHpL-h for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42A1C3A0C66 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 3E4C1A70069FF3303CED for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 04:06:37 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) by lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 04:06:36 +0100 Received: from DGGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.50) by lhreml702-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 04:06:36 +0100 Received: from DGGEML509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.60]) by dggeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.50]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 11:04:49 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: REQ-8-26-SECURITY-00 Thread-Index: AdZ7U8+s2MjVlN9gQiSThsNi0xdXoQ== Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:04:48 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.184.158] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B99DABdggeml509mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-26-SECURITY-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:06:47 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B99DABdggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: Security compliance Description: The compression solution must be compliant to RFC8754, and SHO= ULD NOT require for new security mechanism. Rationale: A compression solution should be an enhancement of SRv6, and it= should not introduce more security issues to SRv6. It will be best if the = compression solution can be deployed under the existing security mechansim = and policy without any modification. Metric: Compliance to the existing SRv6 security rules. Category: Security --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B99DABdggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Short Nam= e: Security compliance

 

Description: The compression solution must be compliant to RFC8754, and SHOULD NOT require for new security mechanism.

 

Rationale= :  A compression solution should be an enhancement of SRv6, and it should no= t introduce more security issues to SRv6. It will be best if the compression solution can be deployed under the existing sec= urity mechansim and policy without any modification.

 

Metric:&n= bsp;Compliance to the existing SRv6 security rules.

 

Category: Security

 

 

--_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B99DABdggeml509mbschi_-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 00:42:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01C63A0F18 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 00:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hN076VKNJl9X for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 00:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D1EC3A0F0F for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 00:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml733-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 5A5FC183F7BCC916F38A for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 08:42:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml733-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.84) by lhreml733-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.84) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 08:42:38 +0100 Received: from DGGEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.38) by lhreml733-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.84) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1913.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 08:42:37 +0100 Received: from DGGEML509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.60]) by DGGEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::fca6:7568:4ee3:c776%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0487.000; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 15:42:33 +0800 From: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" To: "srcomp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: REQ-8-26-IPV6-SECURITY-COMPLIANCE-00 Thread-Index: AdZ7fGU+bC1g+9U1SI+lZCgwUrr2vw== Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 07:42:32 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.222.7] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B9A626dggeml509mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-8-26-IPV6-SECURITY-COMPLIANCE-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 07:42:43 -0000 --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B9A626dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: IPv6 Security compliance Description: The security of SR compression solution can be protected using= existing IPv6 security mechanism, and it MUST NOT require for a new securi= ty mechanism. Rationale: A compression solution MUST be IPv6-based, and it MUST NOT intr= oduce critical security issues into IPv6, so that it can be used in the IPv= 6 network safely. Metric: A mechanism does not introduce new security mechnism meets the requ= irements. Category: Security Current revision is a draft revision, the details can be discussed in next = month. Thanks, Cheng --_000_C7C2E1C43D652C4E9E49FE7517C236CB02B9A626dggeml509mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Nam= e: IPv6 Security compliance<= /o:p>

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Descripti= on: The security of SR co= mpression solution can be protected using existing IPv6 security mechanism,= and it MUST NOT require for a new security mechanism.

 

Rationale= :  A compression solution MUST be IPv6-based, and it MUST NOT introduce critic= al security issues into IPv6, so that it can be used in the IPv6 network sa= fely.

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Metric:&n= bsp;A mechanism does not = introduce new security mechnism meets the requirements.

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Category:= Security

 

Current r= evision is a draft revision, the details can be discussed in next month.

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Thanks,

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: SPRING MIGRATION FROM SRV6 Description: The compression algorithm must allow for a smooth migration Rationale: Having a solution that complies to RFC7855/NPG, would allow for = a natural evolution for customers who deployed SRv6 already. This requireme= nt tries to validate the impact that is required in control-plane, data-pla= ne, addressing, framework. A solution that minimizes the impact would be pr= eferred. Metric: * Compliance to RFC7855 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spri= ng-srv6-network-programming-16 * Impact on data-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a differen= t way compared to the original operation) * Impact on control-plane. (if the control plane needs to be updated to= support the new compression mechanism) * Impact on framework/addressing/ec (if the framework need addressing c= hanges, etc) Category: Migration PS. This is a rework of REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01, so REQ-7-27-SPRING-FR= AMEWORK-01 can be obsoleted --_000_AM0PR07MB449792F587717FD9CE234EF783540AM0PR07MB4497eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Name: SPRING = MIGRATION FROM SRV6<= /o:p>

 

Description: The compression algorithm= must allow for a smooth migration

 

Rationale: Having a solution that complies= to RFC7855/NPG, would allow for a natural evolution for customers who deploye= d SRv6 already. This requirement tries to validate the impact that is requi= red in control-plane, data-plane, addressing, framework. A solution that mi= nimizes the impact would be preferred.

 

Metric: 

  • Compliance to RFC7855 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-16<= /span>
  • Impact on d= ata-plane operation (if the HW would operate in a different way compared to= the original operation)
  • Impact on control-plane. (if the control plane needs to be update= d to support the new compression mechanism)
  • Impact on framework/addressing/ec (if the fram= ework need addressing changes, etc)

 

Category: Migration

 

 

PS. This is a rework of REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01, so = REQ-7-27-SPRING-FRAMEWORK-01 can be obsoleted

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Description=EF=BC= =9AThe exaction location and the function definition of each SID is invisi= ble to the outsider of the operator. In addition, the SID information can = not be leaked to the outside of the domain.


<= /p>

Ra= tional=EF=BC=9AIf SRv6 is deployed, SIDs will be  very important reso= urces of the network, and information related to SIDs is highly sensitive.= If SIDs are visible or the information is leaked to the outside, the Mali= cious attackers may use them to manipulate the network resource or even at= tack the nodes in which SIDs reside.  

Metric=EF=BC=9AIf t= he SID information is  visible to the outside the network, then it is= not compliant.


Category: Security

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Best

Chongfeng


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Name=EF=BC=9AREQ-8-13-SID-DETECTED-00


Description=EF=BC=9AIn the compression, the SIDs inserte= d by the customer or other  third-party is visible and can be easily = detected by operators.


R= ational=EF=BC=9ASome customers or third-parties may deploy SIDs in their n= etwork in the overly-mode, Operators should be capable of detecting the SI= Ds inserted by customers or third-parties and make sure that they are auth= entic. Since SIDs increase the lenght the packets and pose pressure to the= network equipment, opertaros reserve the right to permit packets with cus= tomer SID enter the network or not. 

 

Metric=EF=BC=9AIf the SIDs inserted by  customers = or third-parties can be detected, then it is compliant, otherwise, not.


Category: Operational requi= rements


Best

Chongfeng


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Short Name: = Binding Segment support with SR-= policy

 

Description: The compression s= olution must be compliant to The = Binding segment specified in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8402 and = ;https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-08<= /span>

 

Rationale: Having a solution that supports to BSID a= s specified in RFC8402 and spring routing policy is allowing for building hierarchical deployment models

 

Metric: Compliance to in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8402 and https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-08

 

Category: funct= ional

 

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Short Name: = network wide scale

 

Description: The compression m= echanism must support hierarch= ical topologies with 1Million nodes

&n= bsp;

Rationale: Some network operators de= ploy networks which use a lots of nodes in a network and should be able to = support hierarchical network topologies up to 1Million nodes.

 

Metric: The compression mechanism allows t= o work in an environment that support this scalability.

 

Category: scala= bility

 

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HET-SID-LIST: Heterogeneous SID l= ists containing compressed and non-compressed segments.

Description: The solution MUST support a combin= ation of compressed and non-compressed segments  

Rationale: This permits the migration of some S= Rv6 devices in a network to the compression scheme while permitting others = to remain operational and useful.

Additionally, when compression is only needed on constrained platforms and = for long SID-lists. It should not be required that, for example, a pure sof= tware router (Linux / VPP) implements the compression scheme.  

Metric: A solution that supports compressed and non-compressed segments, an= d allows their combination within a segment list meets this requirement. &n= bsp;


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Su= mmarization allows intermediate segments in one area to have no specific kn= owledge of segments in another area, permitting forwarding to segments in a= nother area based on a summarized route. Metric: A proposal that allows for summarization of segments complies with = this requirement. Category: Functional --_000_BN6PR11MB408195A471C04874C9B09D67C8540BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Description: The solution MUST be compatible wi= th IPv6 address summarization  

Rationale: Summarization of segments is a key benefit of an SR instantiatio= n for the IPv6 dataplane vs an SR instantiation for the MPLS dataplane. &nb= sp;Summarization allows intermediate segments in one area to have no specif= ic knowledge of segments in another area, permitting forwarding to segments in another area based on a summarized ro= ute. 

Metric: A proposal that allows for summarization of segments complies with = this requirement. 

Category: Functional

--_000_BN6PR11MB408195A471C04874C9B09D67C8540BN6PR11MB4081namp_-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 07:31:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825DE3A152A for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 07:31:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id od2UUNGnh2Qg for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 07:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta3.chinamobile.com (cmccmta3.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C5E3A1526 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 07:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.19]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app11-12011 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2eeb5f46723eda5-5aa99; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:31:27 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2eeb5f46723eda5-5aa99 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.1.6.6]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr10-12010 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2eea5f46723f79a-108d1; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:31:27 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2eea5f46723f79a-108d1 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:31:26 +0800 Message-ID: <00ac01d67bb5$94da2670$be8e7350$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01D67BF8.A2FD6670" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZ7tKkRX8oBZ0vYQaOTjKP2adxu8A== Content-Language: zh-cn x-cr-hashedpuzzle: Am16 BzvZ CuL9 DwU2 Dwtg FzDc F5LX GqXz GtCr HCFe HqH0 KSrR LzMf L80X L/M4 MHO9; 1; cwByAGMAbwBtAHAAQABpAGUAdABmAC4AbwByAGcA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {1E1F6410-A03F-4C33-A2F6-4C4908EC7238}; YwBoAGUAbgBnAHcAZQBpAHEAaQBhAG4AZwBAAGMAaABpAG4AYQBtAG8AYgBpAGwAZQAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:24:51 GMT; MgAwADIAMAAtADAAOAAtADIANgAgAE0AaQBuAHUAdABlAHMAIABmAG8AcgAgAEQAVAAgAG0AZQBlAHQAaQBuAGcALQAtAGQAcgBhAGYAdAA= x-cr-puzzleid: {1E1F6410-A03F-4C33-A2F6-4C4908EC7238} Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] 2020-08-26 Minutes for DT meeting--draft X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:31:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01D67BF8.A2FD6670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Srcomp meeting 2020-08-26 13:00 UTC Status: draft Attendees: - Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present] - Ron Bonica of Juniper [present] - Darren Dukes of Cisco [present] - Cheng Li of Huawei and [present] - Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present] - Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present] ====topic1===== Reviewed the new items and categories ====Actions==== Next Week, We will review the Operational, functional and scalability categories. Please send the comments to mail list. We will use "must" and "should" in the description to prioritize the items ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01D67BF8.A2FD6670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Srcomp = meeting

2020-08-26 13:00 UTC

 

Status: = draft

 

Attendees:

- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile = [present]

- Ron Bonica of Juniper = [present]

- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]

- Cheng Li of Huawei and = [present]

- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]

- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom = [present]

 

=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Reviewed the new items and = categories

=3D=3D=3D=3DActions=3D=3D=3D=3D

Next Week, We will review the = Operational, functional and scalability categories. =

Please = send the comments to mail list.

We will use “must” and = “should” in the description to prioritize the = items

 

------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01D67BF8.A2FD6670-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 20:12:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8BE3A0CA5 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lfo1TfY97LOr for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F44D3A0CA1 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.15]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app06-12006 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee65f472474faf-63cef; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:11:49 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee65f472474faf-63cef X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.197]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr08-12008 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee85f47247380b-2c325; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:11:49 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee85f47247380b-2c325 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: "'Weiqiang Cheng'" , References: <00ac01d67bb5$94da2670$be8e7350$@com> In-Reply-To: <00ac01d67bb5$94da2670$be8e7350$@com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:11:48 +0800 Message-ID: <012901d67c1f$ce0569e0$6a103da0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012A_01D67C62.DC28A9E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdZ7tKkRX8oBZ0vYQaOTjKP2adxu8AAauxAA Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] 2020-08-26 Minutes for DT meeting--draft X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 03:12:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01D67C62.DC28A9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Team, I=A1=AFve uploaded the updated one to the git. https://github.com/IETF-srcomp/documents Please review it. Any comments let me know. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Weiqiang Cheng =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C226=C8=D5 22:31 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: srcomp@ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] 2020-08-26 Minutes for DT meeting--draft =20 Srcomp meeting 2020-08-26 13:00 UTC =20 Status: draft =20 Attendees: - Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present] - Ron Bonica of Juniper [present] - Darren Dukes of Cisco [present] - Cheng Li of Huawei and [present] - Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present] - Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present] =20 =3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Reviewed the new items and categories =3D=3D=3D=3DActions=3D=3D=3D=3D Next Week, We will review the Operational, functional and scalability categories.=20 Please send the comments to mail list.=20 We will use =A1=B0must=A1=B1 and =A1=B0should=A1=B1 in the description = to prioritize the items =20 ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01D67C62.DC28A9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Team,

I=A1=AFve uploaded the updated = one to the git.

https://github.com/IETF= -srcomp/documents

Please review it. Any comments = let me know.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Srcomp = [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Weiqiang = Cheng
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA8=D4=C226=C8=D5 22:31
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: = srcomp@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Srcomp] 2020-08-26 Minutes = for DT meeting--draft

 

Srcomp = meeting

2020-08-26 13:00 UTC

 

Status: = draft

 

Attendees:

- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile = [present]

- Ron Bonica of Juniper = [present]

- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]

- Cheng Li of Huawei and = [present]

- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]

- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom = [present]

 

=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Reviewed the new items and = categories

=3D=3D=3D=3DActions=3D=3D=3D=3D

Next Week, We will review the = Operational, functional and scalability categories. =

Please = send the comments to mail list.

We will use =A1=B0must=A1=B1 and = =A1=B0should=A1=B1 in the description to prioritize the = items

 

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Each segment contains a= locator and an function. The compression mechanism must be able to represe= nt SR paths whose segments are diverse from one another with respect to fun= ction. The following are examples of function: * Loosely routed forwarding * Strictly routed forwarding Rational: * In TI-LFA, repair paths frequently contain both loosely and strictly = routed segments * Traffic engineered paths frequently contain both loosely and strictly= routed segments Metric: The compression mechanism must be able to represent an SR path that= contains any valid combination of segment types. Category: Functional Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB63483021783B9F7CF625841FAE520DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Name:  Segment Function Diversity

 

Description: SR paths contain one or more segments. = Each segment contains a locator and an function. The compression mechanism = must be able to represent SR paths whose segments are diverse from one anot= her with respect to function. The following are examples of function:

 

  • Loosely routed forwarding
  • Strictly routed forwar= ding

 

Rational:

  • In TI-LFA, repair paths frequently contain both loosely and strictly = routed segments
  • Traffic engineered paths frequently co= ntain both loosely and strictly routed segments

 

Metric: The compression mechanism must be able to re= present an SR path that contains any valid combination of segment types.

 

Category: Functional

 


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Short Name: Segment Locator Diversity Description: SR paths contain one or more segments. Each segment contains a= locator and an function. The compression mechanism must be able to represe= nt SR paths whose segments are diverse from one another with respect to loc= ator type. The following are examples of locator types: * Global Unicast * Unique Local Address * Multicast Address Rational: * Deployment in existing networks: Network operators will deploy the co= mpression mechanism in brownfield networks. These networks already have add= ressing plans and cannot change their addressing plans to accommodate the c= ompression mechanism. * Merging networks: In the future, network operators will merge network= s that deploy the compression mechanism. Network operators cannot change th= e addressing plan of either network before the merge, in order to accommoda= te the compression mechanism. Metrics: The compression mechanism must be support SR paths whose segments = are identified by any combination of locator types. For example, assume tha= t Networks A, B, C and D merge to form a single SRv6 domain. Without renumb= ering, the compression mechanism MUST support an SR path that traverses all= four network. In this example: * Network A draws Locators from a /48 global address space that was ass= igned to Network Operator A * Network B draws Locators from a /56 global address space that was ass= igned to Network Operator B * Network C draws Locators from a /48 Unique Local Address (ULA) space = that was generated by Network operator C * Network C draws Locators from another /48 Unique Local Address (ULA) = space that was generated by Network operator D Category: Functional Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348677708A0175118DB822FAE520DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Short Name:  Segment Locator Diversity

 

Description: SR paths contain one or more segments. = Each segment contains a locator and an function. The compression mechanism = must be able to represent SR paths whose segments are diverse from one anot= her with respect to locator type. The following are examples of locator types:

 

  • Global Unicast
  • Unique Local Address
  • Multicast Address

 

Rational:

 

  • Deployment in existing networks: Network operators will deploy the co= mpression mechanism in brownfield networks. These networks already have add= ressing plans and cannot change their addressing plans to accommodate the compression mechanism.
    • =
  • Merging networks: In the future, network operators will merge network= s that deploy the compression mechanism. Network operators cannot change th= e addressing plan of either network before the merge, in order to accommodate the compression mechanism.<= /o:p>

 

 

Metrics: The compression mechanism must be support S= R paths whose segments are identified by any combination of locator types. = For example, assume that Networks A, B, C and D merge to form a single SRv6= domain. Without renumbering, the compression mechanism MUST support an SR path that traverses all four netw= ork. In this example:

 

  • Network A draws Locators from a /48 global address space that was ass= igned to Network Operator A
  • Network B draws Locators f= rom a /56 global address space that was assigned to Network Operator B=
  • Network C draws Locators from a /48 Unique Local Address (= ULA) space that was generated by Network operator C
  • Ne= twork C draws Locators from another /48 Unique Local Address (ULA) space th= at was generated by Network operator D

 

 

 

 

 

Category: Functional

 


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Short Name:  Encoding Proportionality

 

Description: The number of bytes required to represe= nt an SR path must be proportional to the number of segments that the SR pa= th contains.

 

Rational: Limit overhead.

 

Metric: The number of bytes required to represent an= SR path must be proportional to the number of segments that the SR path co= ntains.

 

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