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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, This message is to confirm that we are not meeting on October 5 or October = 7. 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Folks,

 

This message is to confirm that we are not meeting o= n October 5 or October 7.

 

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Definitely informational

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn
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Hi Team,

 

I believe that the Informatonal track is more appropriate for documenting= the requirements.

What do you think?

 

Regards,

PSF

 

 

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is a proposal for this combination. * REQ-8-20-IPv6-to-CompSRv6-00: Migration from IPv6 or SR MPLS to the c= ompressed solution is deployment and not a topic for this section. It shou= ld be covered in section 4. * For REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00, REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00, a= nd REQ-8-26-SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION-01, these could be covered by the followi= ng single requirement... * Description: The compression solution MUST support deployment in e= xisting SRv6 networks. * Rationale: SRv6 is supported by multiple products and deployed in = multiple networks today. A compression solution that interoperates well wi= th SRv6, as deployed, will reduce the overhead and simplify operations. For= Network operators who would migrate to compressed SRv6, the move is expect= ed to gradually occur over a period time, as they upgrade networks, domains= , device families and software instances. * Metric: A compliant compression solution provides the following * Supports simultaneous deployment at a node with current SRv6 SI= Ds. * Supports simultaneous deployment at a node with current SRv6 co= ntrol plane. * Supports simultaneous operation of current SRv6 paths with comp= ressed paths. * Supports paths consisting of compressed and non-compressed segm= ents. * Supports the behaviors in draft-ietf-spring-network-programming= . * Does not require removal of existing IPv6 planning. Darren ________________________________ From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 1:56 AM To: srcomp Subject: Re: Review REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00 I think we may need to combine the following requirements into one or more = new requirements that do not overlap and describe the requirements to trans= ition from an SRv6 solution to a compression proposal. SRv6-to-CompSRv6 HET-SID-LIST INTERWORKING-DOMAINS SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION Anything not related to that transition can be proposed in section 4 of the= document. Let's discuss in the call. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Darren Dukes (ddukes) <= ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 1:37 AM To: srcomp Subject: [Srcomp] Review REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00 This requirement covers two different scenarios: 1 - transition to the compression solution from SRv6 2 - migration to the compression solution from IPv6/MPLS/anything else. I think the transition requirement is captured in HET-SID-LIST and can be d= uplicated to that The migration requirement should be split out and moved to section 4 since = it is common to any SR instantiation for IPv6. Darren --_000_BN6PR11MB4081014A930D8BF3BCF11BDAC8070BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is a proposal for this combination.

  • REQ-8-20-IPv6-to-CompSRv6-00: Migration from IPv6 or SR MPLS = to the compressed solution is deployment and not a topic for this section.<= span>  It should be covered in section 4. 
  • = For REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00, REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00, and REQ= -8-26-SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION-01, these could be covered by the following sin= gle requirement... 
    • Description: The compression solution MUST support deployment= in existing SRv6 networks. 
    • Ratio= nale: SRv6 is supported by multiple products and deployed in multiple netwo= rks today.  A compression solution that interoperates well with SRv6, as deployed, will reduce the overhead and simplify operati= ons. For Network operators who would migrate to compressed SRv6, the move i= s expected to gradually occur over a period time, as they upgrade networks,= domains, device families and software instances. 
    • Metric: A compliant c= ompression solution provides the following 
      • Supports simultaneous deployment at a node with current SRv6 = SIDs. 
      • Supports simultaneous deplo= yment at a node with current SRv6 control plane. 
      • Supports simultaneous operation of current SRv6 paths with = compressed paths. 
      • Supports paths = consisting of compressed and non-compressed segments. 
      • Supports the behaviors in draft-ietf-spring-network-pr= ogramming. 
      • Does not require remov= al of existing IPv6 planning. 

Darren
From: Darren Dukes (ddukes)= <ddukes@cisco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 1:56 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Review REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00
 
I think we may need to combine the following requirements into one or more = new requirements that do not overlap and describe the requirements to trans= ition from an SRv6 solution to a compression proposal.
SRv6-to-CompSRv6
HET-SID-LIST
INTERWORKING-DOMAINS
SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION

Anything not related to th= at transition can be proposed in section 4 of the document.

Let's discuss in the call.=

Darren
From: Srcomp <srcomp-b= ounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco= .com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 1:37 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Review REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00
 
This requirement covers two different scenarios:
1 - transition to the compression solution from SRv6
2 - migration to the compression solution from IPv6/MPLS/anything else.

I think the transition requirement is captured in HET-SID-LIST and can be d= uplicated to that

The migration requirement should be split out and moved to section 4 since = it is common to any SR instantiation for IPv6.

Darren
--_000_BN6PR11MB4081014A930D8BF3BCF11BDAC8070BN6PR11MB4081namp_-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 05:39:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFB43A145F for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 05:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KLxIi-RRiEf2 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 05:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E593A1463 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 05:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.19]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app01-12001 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee15f844e6fbb3-c8ce1; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:39:15 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee15f844e6fbb3-c8ce1 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com ( [223.72.72.149] ) by ajax-webmail-syy-appsvr10-11010 (Richmail) with HTTP; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:39:14 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:39:14 +0800 (CST) From: =?utf-8?B?56iL5Lyf5by6?= To: "ddukes=40cisco.com" , srcomp Message-ID: <2b025f844d840b3-00020.Richmail.00008020948461019961@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1123658_2036020180.1602506354734" X-Priority: 3 X-RM-TRANSID: 2b025f844d840b3-00020 X-RM-OA-ENC-TYPE: 0 X-RM-FontColor: 0 X-CLIENT-INFO: X-TIMING=0&X-MASSSENT=0&X-SENSITIVE=0 X-Mailer: Richmail_Webapp(V2.2.26) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Review REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:39:34 -0000 ------=_Part_1123658_2036020180.1602506354734 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks good!--------- Best Regards, Weiqiang ---=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E6=96=87--- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A"Darren Dukes \\(ddukes\\)" =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9Asrcomp =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A(=E6=97=A0) =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A2020-10-12 20:27:46 =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Srcomp] Review REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAIN= S-00 =20 Here is a proposal for this combination. =20 =20 =20 REQ-8-20-IPv6-to-CompSRv6-00: Migration from IPv6 or SR MPLS to the compre= ssed solution is deployment and not a topic for this section.=C2=A0=C2=A0It= should be covered in section 4.=C2=A0For REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00,= REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00, and REQ-8-26-SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION-01, these= could be covered by the following single requirement...=C2=A0 Description:= The compression solution MUST support deployment in existing SRv6 networks= .=C2=A0Rationale: SRv6 is supported by multiple products and deployed in mu= ltiple networks today.=C2=A0=C2=A0A compression solution that interoperates= well with SRv6, as deployed, will reduce the overhead and simplify operati= ons. For Network operators who would migrate to compressed SRv6, the move i= s expected to gradually occur over a period time, as they upgrade networks,= domains, device families and software instances.=C2=A0Metric: A compliant = compression solution provides the following=C2=A0 Supports simultaneous dep= loyment at a node with current SRv6 SIDs.=C2=A0Supports simultaneous deploy= ment at a node with current SRv6 control plane.=C2=A0Supports simultaneous = operation of current SRv6 paths with compressed paths.=C2=A0Supports paths = consisting of compressed and non-compressed segments.=C2=A0Supports the beh= aviors in draft-ietf-spring-network-programming.=C2=A0Does not require remo= val of existing IPv6 planning.=C2=A0=20 =20 Darren =20 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- =20 From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Wednesday, September 3= 0, 2020 1:56 AM To: srcomp Subject: Re: Review REQ-8-01-I= NTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00 =C2=A0 =20 =20 I think we may need to combine the following requirements into one or more= new requirements that do not overlap and describe the requirements to tran= sition from an SRv6 solution to a compression proposal. =20 SRv6-to-CompSRv6=20 =20 HET-SID-LIST=20 =20 INTERWORKING-DOMAINS=20 =20 SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION=20 =20 =20 =20 Anything not related to that transition can be proposed in section 4 of th= e document. =20 =20 =20 Let's discuss in the call. =20 =20 =20 Darren =20 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- =20 From: Srcomp on behalf of Darren Dukes (ddukes) <= ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 1:= 37 AM To: srcomp Subject: [Srcomp] Review REQ-8-01-INTERW= ORKING-DOMAINS-00 =C2=A0 =20 =20 This requirement covers two different scenarios: =20 1 - transition to the compression solution from SRv6 =20 2 - migration to the compression solution from IPv6/MPLS/anything else. =20 =20 =20 I think the transition requirement is captured in HET-SID-LIST and can be = duplicated to that =20 =20 =20 The migration requirement should be split out and moved to section 4 since= it is common to any SR instantiation for IPv6. =20 =20 =20 Darren =20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_1123658_2036020180.1602506354734 Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks good!
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Best Regards,
Weiqiang=


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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A"Darren Dukes \\(ddukes\\)" &= lt;ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&= gt;
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9Asrcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A(=E6=97=A0)
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A2020-10-12 20:27:46
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Srcomp] Review REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAIN= S-00
Here is a proposal for this combinati= on.

  • REQ-8-20-IPv6-to-CompSRv6-00: Migration from IPv6 or SR = MPLS to the compressed solution is deployment and not a topic for this sect= ion.=C2=A0=C2=A0I= t should be covered in section 4.=C2=A0
  • For REQ-8-01-INTERWORK= ING-DOMAINS-00, REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00, and REQ-8-26-SPRING-SRV6-MIGR= ATION-01, these could be covered by the following single requirement...=C2= =A0
    • Description: The compression solution MUST support dep= loyment in existing SRv6 networks.=C2=A0
    • Rationale: SRv6 is sup= ported by multiple products and deployed in multiple networks today.= =C2=A0=C2=A0A compressi= on solution that interoperates well with SRv6, as deployed, will reduce th= e overhead and simplify operations. For Network operators who would migrate= to compressed SRv6, the move is expected to gradually occur over a period = time, as they upgrade networks, domains, device families and software inst= ances.=C2=A0
    • Metric: A compliant compression solution provides = the following=C2=A0
      • Supports simultaneous deployment at a = node with current SRv6 SIDs.=C2=A0
      • Supports simultaneous deploy= ment at a node with current SRv6 control plane.=C2=A0
      • Supports = simultaneous operation of current SRv6 paths with compressed paths.=C2=A0
      • Supports paths consisting of compressed and non-compressed segme= nts.=C2=A0
      • Supports the behaviors in draft-ietf-spring-network-= programming.=C2=A0
      • Does not require removal of existing IPv6 pl= anning.=C2=A0

Darren
From: Darren Dukes (= ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30= , 2020 1:56 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Sub= ject: Re: Review REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00
=C2=A0
I think we may need to co= mbine the following requirements into one or more new requirements that do = not overlap and describe the requirements to transition from an SRv6 soluti= on to a compression proposal.
SRv6-to-CompSRv6
HET-SID-L= IST
INTERWORKING-DOMAINS
SP= RING-SRV6-MIGRATION

Anythi= ng not related to that transition can be proposed in section 4 of the docum= ent.

= Let's discuss in the call.

Darren
From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of= Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 1:37 AM
To: srcomp &l= t;srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Review REQ-8-01-INTERW= ORKING-DOMAINS-00
=C2=A0
This requirement covers two different scenarios:
1 - transition to the compression solution from S= Rv6
2 - migration to the compression = solution from IPv6/MPLS/anything else.

I think the transition requ= irement is captured in HET-SID-LIST and can be duplicated to that

= The migration requirement should be split out and moved to section 4 since = it is common to any SR instantiation for IPv6.

Darren
=
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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ron and I met several times last week, and we have pretty good agreement on= the 3.1 text as follows, we can close over email: 3.1.1 text remains as is, we record both E and ES. 3.1.4 PROPORTIONALITY requirement is removed. 3.1.2. REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY o Description:The compression solution SHOULD minimize the number of required hardware resources accessed to process a segment. o Rational:Efficiency in bits on the wire and processing efficiency are both important. Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues in implementations. o Metric:The data plane efficiency metric (D) records the data plane forwarding efficiency of the proposed solution. Two metrics are used and recorded at the segment endpoint and ultimate segment endpoint: * D.PRS(segment list): number of headers parsed during processing of the segment list. * D.LKU(segment list): number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list. The type of lookup is also recorde= d as longest prefix match (LPM) or index match (IM). 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY o Description:The compression solution SHOULD minimize the amount of ad= ditional forwarding state stored at a node. o Rational:Additional state will increase the complexity of the control plane and data plane. It can also result in an increase in memory usa= ge. o Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) records amount of additional f= orwarding state required by the proposed solution. * S(node parameters): the number of additional forwarding states tha= t need to be stored at a node, given a set of node parameters consisting of number of nodes in the network, number of local interface, number of adjacencies. The forwarding state is counted as entries required = in a Fowarding Information Base (FIB) at a node. An implementation may cho= ose to store FIB entries in a way that is not a 1:1 translation of the stat= e recorded by this metric. Darren --_000_BN6PR11MB40817C3D4A76572772E064B8C8070BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ron and I met several times last week, and we have pretty good agreement on= the 3.1 text as follows, we can close over email:

3.1.1 text remains as is, we record both E and ES.
3.1.4 PROPORTIONALITY requirement is removed.

3.1.2.  REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

   o  Description:The compression solution SHOULD minim= ize the number of
      required hardware resources accessed to process a= segment.

   o  Rational:Efficiency in bits on the wire and proce= ssing efficiency
      are both important.  Optimizing one at the e= xpense of the other
      may lead to issues in implementations.

   o  Metric:The data plane efficiency metric (D) recor= ds the data plane
      forwarding efficiency of the proposed solution. &= nbsp;Two
      metrics are used and recorded at the segment endp= oint and ultimate
      segment endpoint:

      *  D.PRS(segment list): number of headers pa= rsed during
         processing of the segment list.

      *  D.LKU(segment list): number of FIB lookup= s during
         processing of the segment list. The = type of lookup is also recorded as longest prefix match (LPM) or index matc= h (IM).


3.1.3.  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY

   o  Description:The compression solution SHOULD minim= ize the amount of additional forwarding state stored at a node.

   o  Rational:Additional state will increase the compl= exity of the control
      plane and data plane. It can also result in an in= crease in memory usage.

   o  Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) records am= ount of additional forwarding state required by the proposed solution.

      *  S(node parameters): the number of additio= nal forwarding states that need to be stored at a
         node, given a set of node parameters= consisting of number of
         nodes in the network, number of loca= l interface, number of
         adjacencies.  The forwarding st= ate is counted as entries required in a Fowarding Information Base (FIB) at= a node.  An implementation may choose to store FIB entries in a way t= hat is not a 1:1 translation of the state recorded by this metric.

Darren

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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] 2020-10-12 Minutes for DT meeting X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:50:05 -0000 Hi Team, Here is the draft for the minutes: Srcomp meeting 2020-10-12 13:00 UTC Status: draft Attendees: - Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present] - Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present] - Ron Bonica of Juniper [present] - Darren Dukes of Cisco [present] - Cheng Li of Huawei [present] - Peng Shaofu of ZTE [present] - Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present] - Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present] # Discussing document Sections 3.1: - Ron and Darren met several times last week and got agreement - Text in email Section 3.2: - Discussing Darren's proposed changes - Discuss if REQ-8-01-INTERNETWORKING-DOMAINS-00 is a migration requirement or a permanent feature requirement - Agreement that migration requirements belong in 3.2. INTERNETWORKING-DOMAINS name was confusing - The Inter-domain requirement applies to domains using any technology (SR-MPLS, SRv6 etc) and is not SRComp specific - Text edited by Darren during the call - Ron: Supporting both compressed and non-compressed in one path is a nice-to-have in some cases, but not a hard requirement. It rules out a whole set of possible solutions. Decided to make it a SHOULD or MAY in a separate requirement. Notes from Darren (much appreciated!): > - REQ-8-20-IPv6-to-CompSRv6-00: Migration from IPv6 or SR MPLS to the c= ompressed solution is deployment and not a topic for this section. It sh= ould be covered in section 4.=20 > - Reviewed above, ok. > - For REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00, REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00, a= nd REQ-8-26-SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION-01, these could be covered by the follo= wing single requirement...=20 > - Reviewed above, include HETEROGENEOUS Requirement to merge too. >=20 > - Title: SRv6-to-compressed-SRv6 >=20 > - Description: The compression solution MUST support deployment in ex= isting SRv6 networks.=20 > - Rationale:=20 > - SRv6 is deployed today. A compression solution that interoperate= s well with SRv6, as deployed, will reduce the overhead and simplify oper= ations. For Network operators who would migrate to compressed SRv6, the m= ove is expected to gradually occur over a period time, as they upgrade ne= tworks, domains, device families and software instances.=20 > - Metric: A compliant compression solution provides the following=20 > - Supports simultaneous deployment at a node with current SRv6 SIDs= .=20 > - Supports simultaneous deployment at a node with current SRv6 cont= rol plane.=20 > - Supports simultaneous operation of current SRv6 paths with compre= ssed paths.=20 > - Supports the behaviors in draft-ietf-spring-network-programming.=20 > - Does not require removal of existing IPv6 address planning.=20 >=20 > - Options: It's a benefit to be able to Supports paths consisting of = compressed and non-compressed segments. > - Make this a SHOULD > - Make this a separate requirement > - Make this a weaker requirement > - ACTION: pull out as separate requirement again. Further REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST word-smithing happened and the result was: > - Description: The compression solution SHOULD/MAY support a combinatio= n of compressed and non-compressed segments in a single path.=20 > - Rationale: SRv6 is deployed today. This requirement benefits network= s that have deployed Srv6 before the compression mechanism was available = and offers those networks improved compression on selected paths. It doe= s not benefit networks that will deploy SRv6 after the compression mechan= ism becomes widely available. A network that has deployed SRv6 can achiev= e improved compression on select paths using a compressed segment without= migrating all SRv6 nodes to the compression mechanism. > - Metric: A compliant compression solution > must use the srh > or... > permits compressed and non-compressed segments to be encode= d in a single path. >=20 > ACTION: Close metrics on the mailing list. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Further REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST word-smithing happened and the result was: Description: The compression solution MAY support a combination of compress= ed and non-compressed segments in a single path. Rationale: SRv6 is deployed today. This requirement benefits networks that= have deployed SRv6 before the compression mechanism was available and offe= rs those networks improved compression on selected paths. It does not bene= fit networks that will deploy SRv6 after the compression mechanism becomes = widely available. A network that has deployed SRv6 can achieve improved compression on select= paths using a compressed segment without migrating all SRv6 nodes to the c= ompression mechanism. Metric: A compliant compression solution: * Can process classic SRv6 SIDs (128 bits representing Locator, Functio= n and Arguments) in the IPv6 Destination Address field NOTE: I have intentionally omitted SRH processing from the metrics. Process= ing Classic SIDs gets you much more function at much less cost. Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB63482E9AF6942E6F008862C4AE040DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Further REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST word-smithing happe= ned and the result was:

 

Description: The compression solution MAY support= a combination of compressed and non-compressed segments in a single path.<= o:p>

 

Rationale: SRv6 is deployed today.  This req= uirement benefits networks that have deployed SRv6 before the compression m= echanism was available and offers those networks improved compression on se= lected paths.  It does not benefit networks that will deploy SRv6 after the compression mechanism becomes widely avail= able.

 

A network that has deployed SRv6 can achieve impr= oved compression on select paths using a compressed segment without migrati= ng all SRv6 nodes to the compression mechanism.

 

Metric: A compliant compression solution:

 

  • Can process cl= assic SRv6 SIDs (128 bits representing Locator, Function and Arguments) in = the IPv6 Destination Address field

 

NOTE: I have intentionally omitted SRH processing= from the metrics. Processing Classic SIDs gets you much more function at m= uch less cost.

 

 


Juniper Business= Use Only

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, while looking at the other requirements in this section I believe thi= s is a SHOULD, not a MAY... perhaps the other requirements for compression = and fwd/state efficiency are really MUST. Below is a proposal reflecting SHOULD, and cleaning up Rationale (it was a = bit repetitive) while adding the important segment list/path text to metric= s. Changes in bold for your consideration, let's see if we can close this = via email. Description: The compression solution SHOULD support a combination of compr= essed and non-compressed segments in a single path. Rationale: SRv6 is deployed today, in those networks support of paths with = compressed and non-compressed segments improves compression without migrati= ng all SRv6 nodes to the compression solution. A network deployed with onl= y the compression solution may not realize any advantage. Metric: A compliant compression solution: * Can support classic 128bit SRv6 SIDs in the IPv6 Destination Address = field * Can support segment lists (i.e., paths) with both compressed and 128b= it SRv6 SIDs. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Ron Bonica Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:21 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Update for REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST Further REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST word-smithing happened and the result was: Description: The compression solution MAY support a combination of compress= ed and non-compressed segments in a single path. Rationale: SRv6 is deployed today. This requirement benefits networks that= have deployed SRv6 before the compression mechanism was available and offe= rs those networks improved compression on selected paths. It does not bene= fit networks that will deploy SRv6 after the compression mechanism becomes = widely available. A network that has deployed SRv6 can achieve improved compression on select= paths using a compressed segment without migrating all SRv6 nodes to the c= ompression mechanism. Metric: A compliant compression solution: * Can process classic SRv6 SIDs (128 bits representing Locator, Functio= n and Arguments) in the IPv6 Destination Address field NOTE: I have intentionally omitted SRH processing from the metrics. Process= ing Classic SIDs gets you much more function at much less cost. Juniper Business Use Only --_000_BN6PR11MB4081886548F5DDC4FFF84E18C8050BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Team, while looking at the other = requirements in this section I believe this is a SHOULD, not a MAY... perha= ps the other requirements for compression and fwd/state efficiency are really MUST.


Below is a proposal reflecting SHOULD, and cleaning up Rationale (it was a = bit repetitive) while adding the important segment list/path text to metric= s.  Changes in bold for your consideration, let's see if we can close this via= email.



Description: The compression solution SHOULD support a combination o= f compressed and non-compressed segments in a single path.

 

Rationale: SRv6 is deployed today, in those networks support of paths wi= th compressed and non-compressed segments improves compression without migr= ating all SRv6 nodes to the compression solution.  A network deployed = with only the compression solution may not realize any advantage.

 

Metric: A compliant compression solution:

 

  • Can support classic 128bit SRv6 SIDs in the IPv6 Destination Address field<= /li>
  • Can support segment lists (i.e., paths) with both compressed and 128bit = SRv6 SIDs.


Darren

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc= .ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:21 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Update for REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST
 

Further REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST word-smithing hap= pened and the result was:

 

Description: The compression solution MAY suppo= rt a combination of compressed and non-compressed segments in a single path= .

 

Rationale: SRv6 is deployed today.  This r= equirement benefits networks that have deployed SRv6 before the compression= mechanism was available and offers those networks improved compression on = selected paths.  It does not benefit networks that will deploy SRv6 after the compression mechanism becomes widely avail= able.

 

A network that has deployed SRv6 can achieve im= proved compression on select paths using a compressed segment without migra= ting all SRv6 nodes to the compression mechanism.

 

Metric: A compliant compression solution:

 

  • Can process = classic SRv6 SIDs (128 bits representing Locator, Function and Arguments) i= n the IPv6 Destination Address field

 

NOTE: I have intentionally omitted SRH processi= ng from the metrics. Processing Classic SIDs gets you much more function at= much less cost.

 

 


Juniper Busi= ness Use Only

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Hi Team,

We will have meeting today.

Darren,

We will use the same link you sent for last meeting, right?


B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 
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Hi Weiqiang. You are correct, the same link every Monday and Wednesday= . 

Darren. 

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of =B3=CC=CE=B0=C7=BF <chengweiqiang@chinamo= bile.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:58:35 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting today
 

Hi Team,

We will have meeting today.

Darren,

We will use the same link you sent for last meeting, right?


B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng

 
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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SRCOMP Minutes Oct 14 Topics: HETEROGENEOUS SID LISTS * Ron proposes this is out of charter * Weiqiang requested that Ron and Darren discuss offline Section 4.1 review * Section 4.1.1 * Ron proposed to not include drafts not past WGLC * Some expressed these drafts also describe desired functionality * No conclusion * Ron proposed that this requirement is not in scope * disagreement was expressed * No action to take * Some noted that we are concerned with support of functionality * The functionality specified by SPRING, and these documents, and= compliance to it is an easy indication of support * Proposal: table with functionality or RFC/draft was discussed * Discussion about how to build such a table was had * Request to differentiate between functionality and architecture in= requirements * Wim noted that it is important to identify when functionality i= s provided with current architecture * ACTION: Weiqiang requested proposals for this section, offline dis= cussion to be had and proposals posted. * Section 4.1.2 * Team is OK with segment length * Wim noted that any segment type should be supported and we had a r= equirement for this =96 * ACTION Wim to track that down and make sure it=92s covered * Section 4.1.8 * Ron suggested no benefit in single domain * Rationale suggestion: * Keep first sentence then... * This provides benefit in interdomain deployments * In interdomain deployments any node can reach any other node vi= a a single prefix segment * Without summarization border router SIDs must be leaked and any= node can reach any other node via two global prefix segments. * Proposed metric text was given in the call: * When the SR domain is divided into multiple IGP domains or leve= ls segments can be summarized for advertisement into other domains or level= s. * ACTION: Darren to publish an update considering proposals above. --_000_BN6PR11MB40814752218BCA4753444A98C8020BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; 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SRCOMP Minutes Oct 14 

 

Topics:

HETEROGENEOUS SID LISTS 

  • Ron proposes this is out of charter 
  • Weiqiang requested that Ron and Darr= en discuss offline 

 

Section 4.1 review 

  • Section 4.1.1 
    • Ron proposed to not include drafts not past WGLC 
      • Some expressed these drafts also describe desired = functionality  =
      • No conclusion 
    • Ron proposed that this requirement is not in scope=  
      • disagreement was expressed =
      • No action to take 
    • Some noted that we are concerned with support of f= unctionality 
      • The functionality specified by SPRING, and these d= ocuments, and compliance to it is an easy indication of support <= /o:p>
    • Proposal: table with functionality or RFC/draft wa= s discussed 
      • Discussion about how to build such a table was had=  
    • Request to differentiate between functionality and= architecture in requirements 
      • Wim noted that it is important to identify when fu= nctionality is provided with current architecture 
    • ACTION: Weiqiang requested proposals for this sect= ion, offline discussion to be had and proposals posted. 

 

  • Section 4.1.2 
    • Team is OK with segment length 
    • Wim noted that any segment type should be= supported and we had a requirement for this =96  
      • ACTION Wim to track that down and make sure it=92s= covered 
  • Section 4.1.8 
    • Ron suggested no benefit in single domain&nbs= p;
    • Rationale suggestion:&nbs= p;
      • Keep first sentence then... 
      • This provides benefit in interdomain deploym= ents 
      • In interdomain de= ployments any node can reach any other node via a single prefix segment  
      • Without summarization border router SIDs must be = leaked and any node can reach any other node via two global prefix segments= . 
    • Proposed metric text was given in the call:&n= bsp;
      • When the SR domain is divided into multiple IGP do= mains or levels segments can be summarized for advertisement into other dom= ains or levels. 
    • ACTION: Darren to publish an update considering pr= oposals above. 

 

 

 


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Hi Peng, please see inline [DD]



From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn <peng.shaofu@zte.c= om.cn>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 9:00 AM
To: ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dma= rc.ietf.org>
Cc: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Draft Minutes Oct 14
 


Hi Team,


I don't know if it's appropriate to= discuss more about this on-line. If not, I'm sorry. 


For section 4.1.1, IMO,= both RFC8754 (SRH) and PGM are exactly defined for classical SRv6, just re= ferring to the pseudo code of each type of SID. I think it is strange to em= phasize to comply with those documents for CompSRv6, can we describe what details must be compliant with ? <= /p>


[DD] - Since the objective is to compress SRv6 encapsulation,= it's important to understand if a proposal is complying with, extending, o= r redefining the SRv6 specifications to provide that compression.



For section 4.1.8, I'm = also confused about it. I don't think there is such a thing as segment summ= arization, up to now I don't see a summarized segment is contained in a seg= ment list. 


[DD] Think of IPv6 address summarization.  As you know o= ne big advantage of SRv6 (with IPv6 SIDs) over MPLS is IPv6 address summari= zation.  I can advertise a summarized route from one area or domain to another without advertising every 128bit SID. &= nbsp;In SRv6, this allows an SR source node to create a segment list where = a single segment can traverse multiple areas/domains thanks to IPv6 address= summarization.



The individual segments (ins= tead of summarized segments) must be advertised and collected in link-state = database maintained on headend or controlloer, and used in the computed SR = path later. Are you exactly talking about route aggregation ? If yes, = please call it route aggregation. As far as I know, for inter-domain case the computed path will certainly i= nclude the border nodes, according to the methods described in RFC5152, RFC= 5441, RFC6805.


Regards,

PSF



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=D6=F7 =CC=E2 =A3=BA[Srcomp] Draft Minutes Oct 14
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SRCOMP Minutes Oct 14 

 

Topics:

HETEROGENEOUS SID LISTS 

  • Ron proposes this is out of charter 

  • Weiqiang requested that Ron and Darren discuss offl= ine 

 

Section 4.1 review 

  • Section 4.1.1 

    • Ron proposed to not include drafts not past WGLC&nb= sp;

      • Some expressed these drafts also describe desired f= unctionality  

      • No conclusion 

    • Ron proposed that this requirement is not in scope&= nbsp;

      • disagreement was expressed 

      • No action to take 

    • Some noted that we are concerned with support of fu= nctionality 

      • The functionality specified by SPRING, and these do= cuments, and compliance to it is an easy indication of support =

    • Proposal: table with functionality or RFC/draft was= discussed 

      • Discussion about how to build such a table was had&= nbsp;

    • Request to differentiate between functionality and = architecture in requirements 

      • Wim noted that it is important to identify when fun= ctionality is provided with current architecture 

    • ACTION: Weiqiang requested proposals for this secti= on, offline discussion to be had and proposals posted. 

 

  • Section 4.1.2 

    • Team is OK with segment length 

    • Wim noted that any segment type should be supported= and we had a requirement for this =A8C  

      • ACTION Wim to track that down and make sure it=A1= =AFs covered 

  • Section 4.1.8 

    • Ron suggested no benefit in single domain 

    • Rationale suggestion: 

      • Keep first sentence then... 

      • This provides benefit in interdomain deployments&nb= sp;

      • In interdomain deployments any node can reach any o= ther node via a single prefix segment  

      • Without summarization border router SIDs must be le= aked and any node can reach any other node via two global prefix segments.&= nbsp;

    • Proposed metric text was given in the call: 

      • When the SR domain is divided into multiple IGP dom= ains or levels segments can be summarized for advertisement into other doma= ins or levels. 

    • ACTION: Darren to publish an update considering pro= posals above. 

 

 

 



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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4.1.1. REQ-7-27-ARCH (needs a new title) o Description: * A solution to compress SRv6 MUST support the functionality of SRv6= . It SHOULD comply with the specifications describing that functionality i= n order to deliver all aspects of SRv6 functionality. o Rational: SPRING has specified SRv6 and its functionality in many documents. A compr= ession solution that leverages these documents is most capable of supportin= g all current and future SRv6 functionality. Evaluating the extent to which a proposal can support SRv6 functionality, u= sing existing specifications, is important for operators and implementors t= o understand the impact on controlplane, dataplane and network operations. o Metric: * The compliance metric (C) records how aligned a proposal is with SRv6 functionality and the degree to which it re-uses, extend= s or replaces the specifications describing that functionality. Compliance is recorded in a table per proposal. The table has rows consist= ing of the following compliance metrics to record the functional and specif= ication compliance of each proposal. + C.RFC8402: compliance with[RFC8402]. + C.RFC8754: compliance with[RFC8754]. + C.PGM: compliance with [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programmi= ng]. + C.IGP: compliance with [I-D.ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions]. + C.BGP: compliance with [I-D.ietf-bess-srv6-services]. + C.POL: compliance with [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy= ]. + C.BLS: compliance with [I-D.ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext]. + C.SVC: compliance with [I-D.ietf-spring-sr-service-programming= ]. + C.OAM: compliance with [I-D.ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam]. +_ C.ALG: compliance with [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo] * The table has columns consisting of complies, extends, redefines. = An X is entered in one of the columns for each row when the functionality d= escribed by the specification is supported by the proposal. A proposal tha= t does not support the functionality per each specification does not record= an X in the relevant row. The list below identifies the primary functiona= lity provided by each specification. + [RFC8402]. * Support segment types: Prefix, adjacency, anycast, BGP peering, bindi= ng * Support multiple algorithms for SIDs + [RFC8754]. * Support carrying a segment list in an IPv6 header * Support the ability to secure an SR Domain with ingress filtering * Support the ability to secure a segment list with verification at a s= egment endpoint. + [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]. * Support the fully defined SRv6 SID behaviors for * Topological SIDs: prefix, adjacency, binding, BGP peering, anycast * VPN service SIDs * Support infrastructure to assign any processing behavior to a SID * Including a registry to identify SID behaviors + [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy] * Support SR policies, candidate paths and segment list as defined. * Support steering of traffic over the SR policy. + [I-D.ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions] * Support distributing topological SIDs and behaviors via ISIS. * Supports TILFA and SRTE path computation. + [I-D.ietf-bess-srv6-services] * Support BGP VPNs * Distribute SRv6 SIDs for global internet, L3VPN and EVPN services. + [I-D.ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext] * Support link state distribution via BGP * Distribute SRv6 related node, link, prefix attributes as part of t= opology information * Distribute locally instantiated SRv6 SIDs + [I-D.ietf-spring-sr-service-programming] * Support network function segments * To enable SR proxies (static, dynamic, shared mem, masquerading) * Support service state as source routed information + [I-D.ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam] * Support Ping of a SID to verify the SID is implemented * Support Traceroute to a SID to verify the SID is implemented and iden= tify the path taken. * Support Controller based OAM by forwarding a copy of a packet to a co= ntroller at each segment endpoint. + [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo] * Support Flexible algorithm --_000_BN6PR11MB40817FF59566A4DDD409749BC81E0BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

4.1.1.  REQ-7-27-ARCH (needs a new title)

 

   o  = Description: 

 

      *  A solution to compress SRv6 MUST support the funct= ionality of SRv6.  It SHOULD comply with the specifications describing that functionality in ord= er to deliver all aspects of SRv6 functionality. 

   o  = Rational: 

 

SPRING has specified SRv6 and its functionality in many documents= .  A co= mpression solution that leverages these documents is most capable of supporting all current and future SRv6 functionality. = ;

Evaluating the extent to which a proposal can support SRv6 functi= onality, using existing specifications, is important for operators and impl= ementors to understand the impact on controlplane, dataplane and network operations. 

 

   o  = Metric: 

 

      *  The compliance metric (C) records how aligned a pr= oposal is 

         with SRv6 functionality and = the degree to which it re-uses, extends or replaces the specifications desc= ribing that functionality. 

Compliance is recorded in a table per proposal.  The table has rows cons= isting of the following compliance metrics to record the functional and specification compliance of each proposal. 

 

         +  C.RFC8402: compliance with[RFC84= 02]. 

          +  C.RFC87= 54: compliance with[RFC8754]. 

          +  C.PGM: compliance with [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]. 

          +  C.IGP: compliance with [I-D.ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions]. 

          +  C.BGP: compliance with [I-D.ietf-bess-srv6-services]. 

          +  C.POL: compliance with [I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy]. 

          +  C.BLS: compliance with [I-D.ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext]. 

          +  C.SVC: compliance with [I-D.ietf-spring-sr-service-programming]. 

          +  C.OAM: compliance with [I-D.ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam]. 

          +_ C.ALG: compliance with [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo] 

 

    =   *&nbs= p; The table has c= olumns consisting of complies, extends, redefines. An X is entered in one of the columns for= each row when the functionality described by the specification is supporte= d by the proposal.  <= /span>A proposal that does not support the functionality per each specification does not record an X in the relev= ant row.  The list below identifies the primary functionality provided by each spe= cification. 

 

+  <= /span>[RFC8402]. 

  • Support segment types: Prefix, adjacency, anycast, BGP peerin= g, binding 
  • Support multiple algor= ithms for SIDs 

 

+  <= /span>[RFC8754]. 

  • Support carrying a segment list in an IPv6 header <= /o:p>
  • Support the ability to secure an SR Domain w= ith ingress filtering 
  • Support the= ability to secure a segment list with verification at a segment endpoint.<= o:p> 

 

+  <= /span>[I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]. 

  • Support the fully defined SRv6 SID behaviors for 
    • Topological SIDs: prefix, adjacency, binding, BGP peering, an= ycast 
    • VPN service SIDs =
  • Support infrastructure to assign any processing behavior to a= SID 
    • Including a registry to identify SID behaviors 

 

+  <= /span>[I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy]

  • Support SR policies, candidate paths and segment list as defi= ned. 
  • Support steering of traffic = over the SR policy. 

 

+  <= /span>[I-D.ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions]

  • Support distributing=  topological SIDs and behaviors via ISIS. 
    • Supports TILFA and SRTE path computation. 

 

+  <= /span>[I-D.ietf-bess-srv6-services]

  • Support BGP VPNs 
    • Distribute SRv6 SIDs for global internet, L3VPN and EVPN serv= ices. 

 

+  <= /span>[I-D.ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext]

  • Support link state distribution via BGP 
    • Distribute SRv6 related node, link, prefix attributes as part= of topology information 
    • Distribu= te locally instantiated SRv6 SIDs 

 

+  <= /span>[I-D.ietf-spring-sr-service-programming]

  • Support network function segments 
    • To enable SR proxies (static, dynamic, shared mem, masqueradi= ng) 
  • Support service state as source routed information =

 

+  <= /span>[I-D.ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam]

  • Support Ping of a SID to verify the SID is implemented&n= bsp;
  • Support Traceroute to a SID to verify t= he SID is implemented and identify the path taken. <= /li>
  • Support Controller based OAM by forwarding a copy of a packet to a controller a= t each segment endpoint. 

 +  [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo]

  • Support Flexible algorithm 

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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] 2020-10-18 Minutes for DT meeting X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:06:38 -0000 Hi Team, Here is the draft for the minutes: Srcomp meeting 2020-10-19 13:00 UTC Status: draft Attendees: - Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present] - Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present] - Ron Bonica of Juniper [present] - Darren Dukes of Cisco [present] - Cheng Li of Huawei [present] - Peng Shaofu of ZTE [present] - Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present] - Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present] # Discussing document 4.1.1: Darren and Ron worked on proposed text. Darren presented it and the contents were extensively discussed. We are heading for a rough consensus on the required functionality. There is no consensus on how to record whether a solution re-uses existing machinery (SRH). For operators who don't already use SRH it is not important, but for some of the users who have already deployed SRH it may be a useful data-point. Darren and Ron will discuss further offline. 4.1.8: Finished last week. 4.2.1: Agreement reached on new text: the compression must work with any addressing scheme and must not rely on any specific addressing (like requiring that the addresses all come from a single prefix for example). Operators must have be free to use their address space in any way they wa= nt. New text (thanks Darren!): > 4.2.1. REQ-7-28-FLEX-ADDRESS-PLANNING-00=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > o Description:The compression mechanism MUST support flexible IPv6=20 >=20 > address planning, and MUST NOT require for specific address type=20 >=20 > and address value. Also, It MUST support to be deployed by using= =20 >=20 > GUA, ULA and other unicast address types.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > o Description:The compression mechanism MUST support flexible IPv6=20 >=20 > address planning, and MUST NOT rely on any specific address type=20 >=20 > and address value. Also, It MUST support to be deployed by using= =20 >=20 > GUA, ULA and other unicast address types.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > o Rational: The address planning of the network is vary based on th= e=20 >=20 > address schema of the operator, so the solution MUST support=20 >=20 > flexible address planning. Operators need to deploy the solution= =20 >=20 > based on their own addresses planning.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > o Rationale: The address planning of the network may vary based on = the=20 >=20 > address scheme of the operator, so the solution MUST support=20 >=20 > any addressing scheme. Operators need to deploy the solution=20 >=20 > based on their own addresses planning.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > o Metric:if the solution only works when using a specific address=20 >=20 > type, or some specific address value, that is not compliant. If=20 >=20 > it require one or some specific prefixes, that is not compliant.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Metric:=20 > 1 =E2=80=93 A solution requiring a specific addressing scheme may n= ot be compliant=20 > 2 =E2=80=93 If a solution does not support any addressing scheme it= may not be compliant=20 > 3 =E2=80=93 Something else? 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Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:25:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett From: Sander Steffann To: srcomp References: Autocrypt: addr=sander@steffann.nl; keydata= mQGNBF75tbEBDAD3wuDNbXBDRrYBqdv/xz7Dk1g82Q72zkI8UVQZnjOPkxMlNFu7w3l9evh4 JsWVvS197o9z6yZE0Yfgxwi8bHBIcw5zySA3VeaisAO6fbqSWAA5oIocaYk+OGcVNGclICks 83tFTSiwNxT1Hewvpc8hDWFzM7KaZxVDgoMQyIn+iKuT1XNfV/sUIv9LCtQJdOp94iO7ElLw WfQMkV2WEiVOHgOKntH/XvvmZrEpb3J9EFS1pmnWHI17Th0CwBQeR8dbfSSZFLF3S5lQmra7 srXx3+d9+GjaESJjmlNnVAPs+l5EBMZMAXFScr05t2AeK+9m1ByBOw+7JRFHWU5l8NqBYSfA xfuSmFgPu/Rw6h0XgPWArWFCKSYgu10ihoHrgQ3XXplxtBW+tLBAoLZtB/+EK3dRLl/VrtL/ t1VHnq2LVTMwUQ1x2HuZUCvFPz0kwXjSsQjcaWFFVGcUxY22Cv4k1HvT9JvCGBy/XaX13Jlp uNOZ3OUHkN5CyXnMZcuxU/UAEQEAAbQkU2FuZGVyIFN0ZWZmYW5uIDxzYW5kZXJAc3RlZmZh bm4ubmw+iQHUBBMBCAA+FiEEWk/685TbItfmJdo15Z4q87Ai3ecFAl75tbICGwMFCQHhM4AF CwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ5Z4q87Ai3ec2ZAv6AqZsSIqvam6gPN2fnlYs 8p4DKJ4Ih9DKSfjgmKNXExFy4KiIPo1ePuhMapOj5G04XMuQI583Z4T/h6Rd2Iv3nQo32gEy 2qc5D7VsQ2XbjQcRQdXx1dYlE8P5Ala1491WADqm3Trm7g0M3JND6MWY7q/G/TIilQD7s5pA UehCD/qJ5Euj1zSCsVAEJPjGuhIoZauDaIbzcm3guJMGoU4WCvMmvqG4JkiRIFXL1pFwyRRQ 4FGbVzgJoJC/m+1HENbiTtn8chuu2j2SCE3fwWODA+SFF5e8I5G8/AmXPPodFzXve4K1P/0x x0QrVH2WKIGN5IyiNtPgp5WcLwI9qOO/zmpN69dYCcu5SjM7DPnqKh1lTeNhQ8tLplVOri6D X/6+AUOxucJJ3gUgcgFUy1KC+8FYn20MkvBJ6lJ4uXkY7/5qYJFYKx2aKRxHd0axvu2YaAnd 6TOuxVFiG+MO2vEuAQcNUDU+tmZHJQdvbv12DKpKXfA8PBtiTQZnucZeOHn8uQGNBF75tbIB DAC82u3UxkBH7Wds1wkKqGmZgpdO7X1vrt0pXl4N8moM+gBHJ421gQGf0JKRy/b7ig1Pcl3B 8huzxZoTD6xNhhHfZGHT/r/Lush9C2C5pODhSbxFKcgWnscGpAE3KTK8XuIBVgr6DVwIXOlA DECK/xVXWqysb4XzFY+fMp7kzp20Sp5MWS7dvbYl7F6V4ztdnz7ZW/UUtdBWj3sH0IVRXTuM XTMHRCf+uY20VUMB8lk/OpOCm/FZ3t23uU4QRAFgLnF65DYQGfeYu0QCcAqHxOYKMmgKE38m DroWDbb2fjTrNC/rP7VIHKDavG1vw+RR5If9FJ37jSGqCha8eOqKjNVIKHAzvHsiGY8PaS2k 7ySIW0htGCNWYHTgXUcoVYu9Cn+KpnI46bmbuzu1/LJ4PnlLBlIUoHeJbazoRP33BSffFE3b IL+zhkT/MxmocIs+PhOUCyiQMLWVC7SQLgiwceXgytrOvoKhB/OfaDI7knlpGA0/XVVlVZNR 2zRLpxBBYq0AEQEAAYkBvAQYAQgAJhYhBFpP+vOU2yLX5iXaNeWeKvOwIt3nBQJe+bWyAhsM BQkB4TOAAAoJEOWeKvOwIt3nt/EL/Rao8R5/nkGzEFQWj1CSnXUhUKUJjZ43WWwiSxSxdWC+ E6NQ3MMcxcBHPfjb+YX3ZzCff041mTzlpqDx7E/CuA0n8iNuELbhjiyEDEPc8/s8Aut30VlG jNWmhBMh/NKAUNU9fwfz3vnMLjvA1rZu6T/ycmNbi8lVbx0O0tbXKH7jESa/vSm+YzKmv3Ne 2X1SZPxahWTrmKUq+iwHdTsPeoYt1wHEXZQ89CKynhjCL+w2LiQywNiW500djyn6R3o3Bggh YpgX35qwMFUmfZ+MrdU1GpnrJ0kewP1GaN4N2Ejykq9K/2pylTB9s8WQfjw6UldiXdf40eRN Q38A3m8B6B0+FXd6EFxt1D+avAPum5JgNnT7lYGwwVAfSgFN01etJ6rNTIA89FoTFXBgyEXx 6VgTxKTHdg1sZwh/eMLwduP8TXLuVuJeC8x4uGPJkNFkTo/p/uhu4AyuU/YBgCZ+ivH6Pxaq Eh70jd7iMp9H92UxVOFOM0kGbx1IpZOWap8A1w== Organization: SJM Steffann Message-ID: <42a0dd00-e10b-428b-20a7-28b4b36e4fa4@steffann.nl> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:25:24 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] 2020-10-18 Minutes for DT meeting X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:25:33 -0000 Hi, > 4.1.1: > Darren and Ron worked on proposed text. Darren presented it and the > contents were extensively discussed. We are heading for a rough > consensus on the required functionality. There is no consensus on how t= o > record whether a solution re-uses existing machinery (SRH). For > operators who don't already use SRH it is not important, but for some o= f > the users who have already deployed SRH it may be a useful data-point. >=20 > Darren and Ron will discuss further offline. After reading this back I see it's not minuted as clear as it should have been. Let me try again: as we discussed in the call it is NOT a requirement for the compression mechanism to use SRH or be backwards compatible with SRH. Doing that would go beyond the charter of this design team (this has previously been verified with the SPRING chairs). As agreed in the call recording in the analysis whether it is backwards compatible with SRH can be useful to know for a subset of the potential target audience (the operators who have already deployed SRH). But it can not be a requirement. In addition to the minutes: I have given this some thought, and I think backwards compatibility with SRH can only be a MAY. Both a SHOULD and a MUST go beyond our charter. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Minutes: All members were present. Weiqiang asked what we deliver to the SPRING WG at IETF 109 - The DT resolved to post a draft with only content that is reviewed and agreed to in the design team. Include no other text. The team reviewed 4.2.1, 4.2.2. 4.2.3 - 4.2.3 requires further discussion on the mailing list Draft text from the call for further discussion on the list: Section 4.2.1 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Description: The compression mechanism MUST support flexible IPv6 address planning, and MUST NOT rely on specific address type and address value. Also, It MUST support deployment by using GUA from different address blocks. Rationale: The address planning of the network may vary based on the addressing scheme of the operator, so the solution MUST support a flexible addressing scheme. Operators need to deploy the solution based on their own address planning. Metric: A solution requiring a specific addressing scheme may not be = compliant Section 4.2.2 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Description: The segments of the compressed SID list MUST be equivalent to the original SID List. For example, a strict path TE SID List is not compressed to a loose path TE SID list. Rationale: In SRv6 we can represent a path to meet certain objectives. A compressed solution needs to support the objectives in the same way. Metric: Information present in the pre-compression segment list MUST also be present in the post-compression SID list. Section 4.2.3 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - There was discussion around the need to identify a segment list in a pack= et. - There was discussion around how useful that segment list was without cont= rol plane information. - The team needs to determine if there is a requirement here and what it is= . - More discussion on the email list was encouraged. --_000_BN6PR11MB4081C365C8D3DFF644745175C81C0BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Minutes:
All member= s were present.

Weiqiang asked what we deliver to the SPRING WG at IET= F 109
- The= DT resolved to post a draft with only content that is
 = ; reviewed and agreed to in the design team.  Include no
 = ; other text.

The t= eam reviewed 4.2.1, 4.2.2. 4.2.3
- 4.2= .3 requires further discussion on the mailing list

Draft= text from the call for further discussion on the list:

Se= ction 4.2.1
= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
 = ;   Description: The compression mechanism MUST support flexible IPv6<= /span>
 = ;     address planning, and MUST NOT rely on specific address typ= e
 = ;     and address value. Also, It MUST support deployment by usin= g GUA
 = ;     from different address blocks.

 = ;    Rationale: The address planning of the network may vary base= d on the
 = ;     addressing scheme of the operator, so the solution MUST sup= port
 = ;     a flexible addressing scheme.  Operators need to deplo= y the solution
 = ;     based on their own address planning.

 = ;     Metric: A solution requiring a specific addressing scheme m= ay not be compliant

Se= ction 4.2.2
= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Descr= iption: The segments of the compressed SID list MUST be
equiv= alent to the original SID List. For example, a strict path TE
SID L= ist is not compressed to a loose path TE SID list.

Ratio= nale: In SRv6 we can represent a path to meet certain objectives.
A com= pressed solution needs to support the objectives in the same way.

Metri= c: Information present in the pre-compression segment list MUST
also = be present in the post-compression SID list.


Se= ction 4.2.3
= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
- The= re was discussion around the need to identify a segment list in a packet.
- The= re was discussion around how useful that segment list was without control p= lane information.
- The= team needs to determine if there is a requirement here and what it is.
- Mor= e discussion on the email list was encouraged.


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Hi=EF=BC=8CSander=EF=BC=8C
I t= hink backwards compibility with SRH should be considered as a requirement.=  Although only a subset of operators have deployed SRH,  the sm= ooth transition to CompSRv6 is important for them to protect the investmen= t, the design of new solution should consider this point.

Best regards
Chongfeng  
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From: = ;Sander Steffann
Da= te: 2020-10-20 02:25
To: srcomp
Subject: Re: [Srcom= p] 2020-10-18 Minutes for DT meeting
Hi,
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> 4.1.1:
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> Darren and Ron w= orked on proposed text. Darren presented it and the
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> cont= ents were extensively discussed. We are heading for a rough
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&= gt; consensus on the required functionality. There is no consensus on how = to
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> record whether a solution re-uses existing machinery = (SRH). For
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> operators who don't already use SRH it is not= important, but for some of
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> the users who have already d= eployed SRH it may be a useful data-point.
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>
=0A> Darren and Ron will discuss further offline.
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After reading this back I see it's not minuted as clear as it sh= ould
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have been. Let me try again: as we discussed in the call= it is NOT a
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requirement for the compression mechanism to use= SRH or be backwards
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compatible with SRH. Doing that would go= beyond the charter of this
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design team (this has previously = been verified with the SPRING chairs).
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As= agreed in the call recording in the analysis whether it is backwards=0A
compatible with SRH can be useful to know for a subset of the pot= ential
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target audience (the operators who have already deploy= ed SRH). But it
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can not be a requirement.
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 =
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In addition to the minutes: I have given this some thought, = and I think
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backwards compatibility with SRH can only be a MA= Y. Both a SHOULD and a
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MUST go beyond our charter.
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Cheers,
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Sander
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=0A ------=_001_NextPart233833351416_=------ From nobody Thu Oct 22 03:14:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088283A08B8 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 03:14:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=steffann.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NpxMcFsoMH68 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 03:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sintact.nl (mail.sintact.nl [IPv6:2001:9e0:803::6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E1C33A08B6 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 03:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF9B4B; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:14:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=steffann.nl; h= x-mailer:in-reply-to:references:message-id:date:date:subject :subject:mime-version:from:from:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:received:received; s=mail; t= 1603361648; bh=9QLvErMV7PVQQ4ItfJqM9VsHZ01RYLRTMo1+iD4haA4=; b=L zVlpLfkYu72oENkZqvP2/uDMt2uttkDm5yc6WlnwB+x3Jl9VNqYzSV03EXjOfFNP xvIUdira1WT0siCnUGZGYDwYvpr6oHW7HuLZqEgudGcJTr/y2A7qIni0LeLa/Z8b txXuE4sjZJEckavzKY3XDV0UUUTuuoX3Dk86qxrvgQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.sintact.nl Received: from mail.sintact.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.sintact.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id mzMkUnyGn0A9; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:a213:a300:ce80:8912:3b9f:18a7:cca] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:a213:a300:ce80:8912:3b9f:18a7:cca]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A026449; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-949F844D-EA93-414C-8BA7-CDFA3A72C1F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett From: Sander Steffann Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:14:06 +0200 Message-Id: <737900CB-1A92-47D4-BA87-D6AB484FADF7@steffann.nl> References: <2020102214370749110911@chinatelecom.cn> Cc: srcomp In-Reply-To: <2020102214370749110911@chinatelecom.cn> To: xiechf@chinatelecom.cn X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18A393) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] 2020-10-18 Minutes for DT meeting X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:14:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail-949F844D-EA93-414C-8BA7-CDFA3A72C1F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, > I think backwards compibility with SRH should be considered as a requireme= nt. Although only a subset of operators have deployed SRH, the smooth tran= sition to CompSRv6 is important for them to protect the investment, the desi= gn of new solution should consider this point. Sorry, it can not be a requirement. That would go against our charter. As I s= aid: it can be a MAY, nothing stronger. Cheers, Sander --Apple-Mail-949F844D-EA93-414C-8BA7-CDFA3A72C1F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi,

I think backwards compibility with SRH should be considered as a requirement.  Although only a subset of operators have deployed SRH,  the smooth transition to CompSRv6 is important for them to protect the investment, the design of new solution should consider this point.

Sorry, it can not be a requirement. That would go against our charter. As I said: it can be a MAY, nothing stronger.

Cheers,
Sander
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Hi, Sander
Where is the charter?  Would yo= u show it?

Chongfeng

=
Date: 2020-10-22 18:14
To: xiechf
CC: srcomp
Subject: = ;Re: [Srcomp] 2020-10-18 Minutes for DT meeting
=0A
Hi,

I think backwards compibility with SRH sh= ould be considered as a requirement.  Although only a subset of opera= tors have deployed SRH,  the smooth transition to CompSRv6 is importa= nt for them to protect the investment, the design of new solution should c= onsider this point.

Sorry, it can n= ot be a requirement. That would go against our charter. As I said: it can = be a MAY, nothing stronger.

Cheers,
Sander
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Hi Chongfeng,

Where is the charter?  Would you show it?


My message was sent after discussion with one of the spring chairs, so it= 's not something I'm making up. I was explicitly told that requiring SRH bac= kwards compatibility was not acceptable.

Cheers,
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Attendees: Weiqiang, Ron, Cheng, Peng, Chongfeng, Wim, Darren Sander was away today so I captured the minutes. Please correct/revise/add= as necessary. Section 4.2.3 Conclusion: document post rev00 Notes: Several attempts were made trying to define how parse-able a compres= sion mechanism must be without any external or control plane knowledge. Getting the wording correct was a challenge with multiple interpretations. Section 4.2.4 Conclusion: Determined to be the same as 4.2.3, delete this section. Section 4.2.5 Action: Chongfeng and Weiqiang to modify the text to cover the following fu= nctionality Proposed intent: When CE nodes are SR source nodes and add a segment list t= o a packet, a PE node must be able to detect the compressed SID list. - Be able to protect SIDs in the provider network from use by customers. - Be able to permit specific SIDs in the provider network to be used by spe= cific customers. Section 4.2.6 Action: Chongfeng and Darren to edit this and submit Proposed intent: A compression solution MUST NOT require that segments with= in the operator's domain are visible to nodes outside the operator's domain Section 4.2.7 Action: decision to be made in next call to keep 4.2.1 or 4.2.7 (or merge) Note: This overlaps with 4.2.1 Section 4.2.8 Decision: leave this out of rev00 of the document. Rationale: multicast is not documented in the SR architecture. Proposed intent: This requires that a multicast address be supported as the= last segment of a segment list. Supported with SRv6 today. Section 4.3 (Scale) Action: Team to provide comments on the mailing list. We want to have some = scalability requirements closed by the end of the week. Directions: Consider the entire set of requirements, there are many duplica= tes. Darren --_000_BN6PR11MB4081860396313D11D70B8008C8190BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Attendees: We= iqiang, Ron, Cheng, Peng, Chongfeng, Wim, Darren

Sander was away today so I captured the minutes.  Please correct/revis= e/add as necessary.
Section 4.2.3
Conclusion: document post rev00
Notes: Several attempts were made= trying to define how parse-able a compression mechanism must be without an= y external or control plane knowledge.
Getting the wording correct was a= challenge with multiple interpretations.

Section 4.2.4
Conclusion: Determined to be the same as 4.2.3, delete this section.

Section 4.2.5
Action: Chongfeng and Weiqiang to modify the text to cover the following functiona= lity
Proposed intent: When CE nodes are SR source nodes and add a segment l= ist to a packet, a PE node must be able to detect the compressed SID list.<= /div>
- Be able to protect SIDs in the provider network from use by customer= s.
- Be able to permit specific SIDs in the provider network to be used b= y specific customers.

Section 4.2.6
Action: Chongfeng and Darren to edit this and submit
Proposed intent: A compression solution MUST NOT require that segments= within the operator's domain are visible to nodes outside the operator's d= omain

Section 4.2.7
Action: decision to be made in next call to keep 4.2.1 or 4.2.7 (or me= rge)
Note: This overlaps with 4.2.1

Section 4.2.8
Decision: leave this out of rev00= of the document. 
Rationale: multicast is not docum= ented in the SR architecture.
Proposed intent: This requires that a multicast address be supported as the= last segment of a segment list. Supported with SRv6 today.

Section 4.3 (Scale)
Action: Team to provide comments on the mailing list. We want to have some scalability requirements closed by the end= of the week.
Directions: Consider the entire set of requirements, there are many duplica= tes. <= /div>

Darren

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I prefer the more general requirements for node, link and service scale sin= ce I don't think there are any values for scale requirements that are truly= absolute.  

I Like REQ-9-01-SERVICE-SCALE-00, REQ-9-01-LINKNODE-SCALE-00 beca= use they describe a requirement for a proposal to support small and large s= cale deployments allowing the proposal to specify how.

Darren
From: peng.shaofu@zte.com.c= n <peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 11:02 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>
Cc: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re:[Srcomp] 2020-10-26 Minutes for DT meeting
 


Hi Darren,


Related scale section, for t= he following requirement example,

4.3.1.  REQ-7-27-LINK-SCALE-00


   o  Description:The compression mechanism must support = 65,536 link per

      node (16 bit).


   o  Rational:Some network operators deploy networks whi= ch use a lot of

      links on a node.


   o  Metric:The compression mechanism allows to work in = an environment

      that support this scalability.


Do you think this requiremen= t must be under certain preconditions, i.e, the address planning is sp= ecific and determined ? 


For example 1, a specific ad= dress planning can provide dedicated 16 bit range for END.X SIDs allocation= to support 65,536 link, then:

   --- Mechan= ism A is good because it can support 65536 link, while mechanism B is not g= ood because it need expand the address planning (larger than 16) to support= that. Right ?

For exam= ple 2, a specific address planning can only provide 16 bit range for all SI= Ds allocation, but still need to support 65,536 link, then:

  &= nbsp;--- Mechanism A is good because it can support 65536 link, while = mechanism B is not good because it need expand the address planning (larger= than 16) to support that. Right ?


Rega= rds,

PSF&= nbsp;


=D4=AD=CA=BC=D3=CA=BC=FE
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BADarrenDukes(ddukes)
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BAsrcomp@ietf.org;
=C8=D5 =C6=DA =A3=BA2020=C4=EA10=D4= =C226=C8=D5 22:45
=D6=F7 =CC=E2 =A3=BA[Srcomp] 2020-10-26 Minutes for DT meeting
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Attendees: Weiqiang, Ron, Cheng, Peng, Chongfeng= , Wim, Darren

Sander was away today so I captured the minutes.  Please correct/revis= e/add as necessary.
Section 4.2.3
Conclusion: document post rev00
Notes: Several attempts were made trying to define how par= se-able a compression mechanism must be without any external or control pla= ne knowledge.
Getting the wording correct was a challenge with multiple = interpretations.

Section 4.2.4
Conclusion: Determined to be the same as 4.2.3, delete this section.

Section 4.2.5
Action: Chongfeng and We= iqiang to modify the text to cover the following functionality
Proposed intent: When CE nodes are SR source nodes and add a segment l= ist to a packet, a PE node must be able to detect the compressed SID list.<= /div>
- Be able to protect SIDs in the provider network from use by customer= s.
- Be able to permit specific SIDs in the provider network to be used b= y specific customers.

Section 4.2.6
Action: Chongfeng and Darren to edit this and submit
Proposed intent: A compression solution MUST NOT require that segments= within the operator's domain are visible to nodes outside the operator's d= omain

Section 4.2.7
Action: decision to be made in next call to keep 4.2.1 or 4.2.7 (or me= rge)
Note: This overlaps with 4.2.1

Section 4.2.8
Decision: leave this out of rev00 of the document. 
Rationale: multicast is not documented in the SR architect= ure.
Section 4.3 (Scale)
Action: Team to provide comments on the mailing list. We want to have= some scalability requirements closed by the end of the week.
Directions: Consider the entire set of requirements, there are many duplica= tes. 

Darren


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Attendees: Weiqiang, Cheng, PSF, Darren, Ron, Wim, Chongfeng

I've attached the document we reviewed today.  Thanks everyone for the= review of this text!

Minutes:
- Darren walked through the intent of the attached document
  - Re-edit to provide clear direction for revision 0
  - Identify what must be compressed
  - List goals for the DT
  - Identify key requirements
- Ron to prop= ose an alternative to a couple of paragraphs in the introduction
- Reviewed section 3
- Reviewed section 4
  - 4.1.1
    - Ron asserts this is out of scope, + reasons
    - Darren asserts it is in scope, + reasons
    - Weiqiang requests Darren and Ron to discuss after meeting
  - 4.2.1 
    - Add the following to each F.* metric "...*, this fu= nctionality is* described in [ref]"
  - 4.1.5
    - Noted that DT did not close on this requirement
    - Request to remove
  - FLEX-ADDRESS-PLANNING was not included
    - Request to add this
    - noted that no further discussion occurred on the list from = 10-21.
  - No more r= equirements need to be added, keeping them separate for the next rev=
  - Meeting a= gain Friday then Monday same time to close rev00

Thanks
  Darren



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definitions=main-2010290113 Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] Document introduction X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:34:07 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348BAB158A91C464B05FD51AE140DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, I strongly object to the introduction as it is currently written and propos= e the following text. Ron Text =3D=3D=3D=3D Segment Routing (SR) [RFC 8402] can be implemented over MPLS [RFC 3031] or = IPv6 [RFC 8200]. When SR is implemented over MPLS, it is called SR-MPLS [RF= C 8660]. When SR is implemented over IPv6, itI is called SRv6 [I-D.ietf-spr= ing-srv6-network-programming]. SRv6 relies on an IPv6 Routing header, calle= d the Segment Routing Header [RFC 8754]. The Segment Routing Header includes: * A preamble - 8 octets * A Segment Identifier (SID) List - 16 bytes per SID * Optional TLVs SRH overhead can be excessive when an SR path contains many SIDs. Therefore= , a compression mechanism is required. The SPRING WG has commissioned a design team to produce the following: * A document that specifies functional requirements for the compression= mechanism. * A document that analyses candidate compression mechanisms in light of= functional requirements. This document specifies functional requirements for the compression mechani= sm. A functional requirement describes an compression mechanism capability = that can be observed by a network operator. For this reason, functional req= uirements are sometimes called "operator requirements". This document excludes architectural requirements. An architectural require= ment describes the protocol machinery that an implementation uses to satisf= y a functional requirement. While protocol machinery may be visible to a ne= twork operator, it is not the operator's primary concern. For this reason, = architectural requirements are sometimes called "vendor requirements". Because this document focuses on functional requirements, and excludes arch= itectural requirements, it is neutral with regard to candidate solutions. I= t does not prefer one solution over another because it employs preferred pr= otocol machinery. This document divides functional requirements into the following categories= : * Efficiency and performance * Functional requirements * Operational requirements * Scalability requirements * Convergence requirements * Security requirements For each requirement, a description, rationale and metrics are offered. Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348BAB158A91C464B05FD51AE140DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

I strongly object to the introduction as it is curre= ntly written and propose the following text.

 

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Segment Routing (SR) [RFC 8402] can be implemented o= ver MPLS [RFC 3031] or IPv6 [RFC 8200]. When SR is implemented over MPLS, i= t is called SR-MPLS [RFC 8660]. When SR is implemented over IPv6, itI is ca= lled SRv6 [I-D.ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming]. SRv6 relies on an IPv6 Routing header, called the Segment Routing Header [= RFC 8754].

 

The Segment Routing Header includes:

 

  • A preamble - 8 octets
  • A Segment Identifier (SID)= List - 16 bytes per SID
  • Optional TLVs
    • =

 

SRH overhead can be excessive when an SR path contai= ns many SIDs. Therefore, a compression mechanism is required.

 

The SPRING WG has commissioned a design team to prod= uce the following:

 

  • A document that specifies functional requirements for the compression= mechanism.
  • A document that analyses candidate compres= sion mechanisms in light of functional requirements.

 

This document specifies functional requirements for = the compression mechanism. A functional requirement describes an compressio= n mechanism capability that can be observed by a network operator. For this= reason, functional requirements are sometimes called “operator requirements”.

 

This document excludes architectural requirements. A= n architectural requirement describes the protocol machinery that an implem= entation uses to satisfy a functional requirement. While protocol machinery= may be visible to a network operator, it is not the operator’s primary concern. For this reason, architect= ural requirements are sometimes called “vendor requirements”.

 

Because this document focuses on functional requirem= ents, and excludes architectural requirements, it is neutral with regard to= candidate solutions. It does not prefer one solution over another because = it employs preferred protocol machinery.

 

This document divides functional requirements into t= he following categories:

  • Efficiency and performance
  • Functional requirements
  • Operational requirements
  • Scalability requirements
  • Convergence requirements
  • Security requirements

For each requirement, a description, rationale = and metrics are offered.

 

 

 

 


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It add= resses architectural requirements, which are beyond the scope of this docum= ent and out of charter for the design team. Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348DDC09EE3557036C3F876AE140DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

I strongly object to the inclusion of Section 4.1.1 = in the document. It addresses architectural requirements, which are beyond = the scope of this document and out of charter for the design team.

 

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Heterogeneous SID lists X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:40:09 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348E0A72B9E93714DCED060AE140DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, I strongly object to the inclusion of "4.1.5. Heterogeneous SID lists" in t= he document. It is an architectural requirement, which is beyond the scope = of this document and out of charter for the design team. Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348E0A72B9E93714DCED060AE140DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

I strongly object to the inclusion of “4.1.5. = Heterogeneous SID lists” in the document. It is an architectural requ= irement, which is beyond the scope of this document and out of charter for = the design team.

 

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SRv6 Functionality X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:48:49 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB63483D17A2F27169B131535FAE140DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, The following changes should be made to 4.1.2. SRv6 Functionality: Description: OLD> A solution to compress an SRv6 SID list MUST support the functionality of S= Rv6. This requirement and set of metrics, is meant to assess whether a prop= osal that is not fully SRv6 based, as evaluated in section 4.1.1, provides = equivalent functionality to SRv6. Such a proposal may utilize different con= trol plane and/or data planes. A solution to compress an SRv6 SID list MUST support the functionality of S= Rv6. Such a proposal may utilize different control plane and/or data planes= . Operators require SRv6 functionality. Evaluating the extent to which a prop= osal supports SRv6 functionality is important for operators and implementor= s to understand the impact on network operations. Operators require SRv6 functionality.

Folks,

 

The following changes should be made to 4.1.2. SRv6 = Functionality:

 

Description:

 

OLD>

A solution to compress a= n SRv6 SID list MUST support the functionality of SRv6. This requirement an= d set of metrics, is meant to assess whether a proposal that is not fully SRv6 based, as evaluated in section 4.1.1, provides equi= valent functionality to SRv6. Such a proposal may utilize different control= plane and/or data planes.

<OLD

 

NEW>

A solution to compress a= n SRv6 SID list MUST support the functionality of SRv6. Such a proposal may= utilize different control plane and/or data planes.

<NEW

 

Rationale:

 

OLD>

Operators require SRv6 f= unctionality. Evaluating the extent to which a proposal supports SRv6 funct= ionality is important for operators and implementors to understand the impact on network operations.

<OLD

 

NEW>

Operators require SRv6 f= unctionality.

<NEW

 

Metrics:

 

  • Replace F.PING with F.OAM: Support a mechanism to determine the healt= h of a SID.
  • Remove F.TOT

 


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--_000_DM6PR05MB63483D17A2F27169B131535FAE140DM6PR05MB6348namp_-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 19:05:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7B03A09DB for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:05:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7WZnK91Y7PWx for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52EC3A09D6 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.9]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app02-12002 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee25f9b74d7ddd-33612; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:05:11 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee25f9b74d7ddd-33612 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com ( [223.104.3.55] ) by ajax-webmail-syy-appsvr05-11005 (Richmail) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:05:10 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:05:10 +0800 (CST) From: chengweiqiang To: srcomp Message-ID: <2afd5f9b74d5dcf-00002.Richmail.00001040340461617931@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1142157_187588442.1604023510022" X-Priority: 3 X-RM-TRANSID: 2afd5f9b74d5dcf-00002 X-RM-OA-ENC-TYPE: 0 X-RM-FontColor: 0 X-CLIENT-INFO: X-TIMING=0&X-MASSSENT=0&X-SENSITIVE=0 X-Mailer: Richmail_Webapp(V2.2.26) Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] Meeting today X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:05:37 -0000 ------=_Part_1142157_187588442.1604023510022 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As previous discussion, We will have additional meeting today. Darren,could= we use the same webex link?---=E5=8E=9F=E5=A7=8B=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6--- =C2= =A0=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:=C2=A0Ron=C2=A0Bonica=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=E5= =8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: =C2=A02020-10-30 00:33:59=C2=A0=E6=94=B6= =E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: =C2=A0"srcomp@ietf.org"=C2=A0=C2=A0=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:= =C2=A0[Srcomp] Document introduction =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =09p.MsoNormal, li= .MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { =09margin: 0.0in =09font-size: 11.0pt =09font-f= amily: Calibri , sans-serif } p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.= MsoListParagraph { =09margin-top: 0.0in =09margin-right: 0.0in =09margin-bo= ttom: 0.0in =09margin-left: 0.5in =09font-size: 11.0pt =09font-family: Cali= bri , sans-serif } span.EmailStyle17 { =09font-family: Calibri , sans-serif= =09color: windowtext } *.MsoChpDefault { =09font-family: Calibri , sans-se= rif } div.WordSection1 { =09page: WordSection1 } * { } * { } * { } * { } * = { } * { } * { } * { } * { } * { } * { } * { } * { } * { } * { } * { } * { }= * { } * { } * { } ol { =09margin-bottom: 0.0in } ul { =09margin-bottom: 0.= 0in } Folks,=C2=A0I strongly object to the introduction as it is currently = written and propose the following text.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ron=C2=A0=C2=A0Text=3D=3D=3D=3D= =C2=A0Segment Routing (SR) [RFC 8402] can be implemented over MPLS [RFC 303= 1] or IPv6 [RFC 8200]. When SR is implemented over MPLS, it is called SR-MP= LS [RFC 8660]. When SR is implemented over IPv6, itI is called SRv6 [I-D.ie= tf-spring-srv6-network-programming]. SRv6 relies on an IPv6 Routing header,= called the Segment Routing Header [RFC 8754].=C2=A0The Segment Routing Hea= der includes:=C2=A0A preamble - 8 octetsA Segment Identifier (SID) List - 1= 6 bytes per SIDOptional TLVs=C2=A0SRH overhead can be excessive when an SR = path contains many SIDs. Therefore, a compression mechanism is required.=C2= =A0The SPRING WG has commissioned a design team to produce the following:= =C2=A0A document that specifies functional requirements for the compression= mechanism.A document that analyses candidate compression mechanisms in lig= ht of functional requirements.=C2=A0This document specifies functional requ= irements for the compression mechanism. A functional requirement describes = an compression mechanism capability that can be observed by a network opera= tor. For this reason, functional requirements are sometimes called =E2=80= =9Coperator requirements=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0This document excludes architectura= l requirements. An architectural requirement describes the protocol machine= ry that an implementation uses to satisfy a functional requirement. While p= rotocol machinery may be visible to a network operator, it is not the opera= tor=E2=80=99s primary concern. For this reason, architectural requirements = are sometimes called =E2=80=9Cvendor requirements=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0Because th= is document focuses on functional requirements, and excludes architectural = requirements, it is neutral with regard to candidate solutions. 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi team, I do not believe it is appropriate in our rev0 specification to re= duce the type of requirements we may produce. Part of our charge from the S= PRING chairs asked for requirements based on standardized solutions: If the design team has insights into the number of solutions (are several a= lready standardized? is there value in picking one / some?) this may be inc= luded in the requirements readout. If the design team can not agree, or doe= s not think it is helpful to report this aspect, that is also acceptable to= the chairs. RFC8402, SRH RFC8754, are standards, the network-programming draft is soon = to be RFC, the control-plane drafts are well progressed. We know the value = in preferring functional and performant solutions based on existing standar= ds, and we've had discussions on how this affects operators. Let's hear from other members on this topic. We know where Ron and I stand= . Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Ron Bonica Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:33 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] Document introduction Folks, I strongly object to the introduction as it is currently written and propos= e the following text. Ron Text =3D=3D=3D=3D Segment Routing (SR) [RFC 8402] can be implemented over MPLS [RFC 3031] or = IPv6 [RFC 8200]. When SR is implemented over MPLS, it is called SR-MPLS [RF= C 8660]. When SR is implemented over IPv6, itI is called SRv6 [I-D.ietf-spr= ing-srv6-network-programming]. SRv6 relies on an IPv6 Routing header, calle= d the Segment Routing Header [RFC 8754]. The Segment Routing Header includes: * A preamble - 8 octets * A Segment Identifier (SID) List - 16 bytes per SID * Optional TLVs SRH overhead can be excessive when an SR path contains many SIDs. Therefore= , a compression mechanism is required. The SPRING WG has commissioned a design team to produce the following: * A document that specifies functional requirements for the compression= mechanism. * A document that analyses candidate compression mechanisms in light of= functional requirements. This document specifies functional requirements for the compression mechani= sm. A functional requirement describes an compression mechanism capability = that can be observed by a network operator. For this reason, functional req= uirements are sometimes called =93operator requirements=94. This document excludes architectural requirements. An architectural require= ment describes the protocol machinery that an implementation uses to satisf= y a functional requirement. While protocol machinery may be visible to a ne= twork operator, it is not the operator=92s primary concern. For this reason= , architectural requirements are sometimes called =93vendor requirements=94= . Because this document focuses on functional requirements, and excludes arch= itectural requirements, it is neutral with regard to candidate solutions. I= t does not prefer one solution over another because it employs preferred pr= otocol machinery. This document divides functional requirements into the following categories= : * Efficiency and performance * Functional requirements * Operational requirements * Scalability requirements * Convergence requirements * Security requirements For each requirement, a description, rationale and metrics are offered. Juniper Business Use Only --_000_BN6PR11MB408115BB96AE5E92B2042CD9C8150BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi team, I do not believe it is appropriate in our rev0 specification to re= duce the type of requirements we may produce. Part of our charge from the S= PRING chairs asked for requirements based on standardized solutions:

<quote>
If the design team has insights into the number of solutions (are seve= ral already standardized? is there value in picking one / some?) this may b= e included in the requirements readout. If the design team can not agree, o= r does not think it is helpful to report this aspect, that is also acceptable to the chairs.
</quote>

RFC8402, SRH RFC8754, are standards, the network-programming draft is soon = to be RFC, the control-plane drafts are well progressed. We know the value = in preferring functional and performant solutions based on existing standar= ds, and we've had discussions on how this affects operators.

Let's hear from other members on this topic.  We know where Ron and I = stand.

Darren

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc= .ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:33 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Document introduction
 

Folks,

 

I strongly object to the introduction as it is currently written and propos= e the following text.

 

            &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =              Ro= n

 

 

Text

=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

Segment Routing (SR) [RFC 8402] can be implemented over MPLS [RFC 3031] or = IPv6 [RFC 8200]. When SR is implemented over MPLS, it is called SR-MPLS [RF= C 8660]. When SR is implemented over IPv6, itI is called SRv6 [I-D.ietf-spr= ing-srv6-network-programming]. SRv6 relies on an IPv6 Routing header, called the Segment Routing Header [RFC 8= 754].

 

The Segment Routing Header includes:

 

  • A preamble - 8 octets
  • A Segment Identifier (SID) List - 16 bytes per SID
  • Optional TLVs

 

SRH overhead can be excessive when an SR path contains many SIDs. Therefore= , a compression mechanism is required.

 

The SPRING WG has commissioned a design team to produce the following:

 

  • A document that specifies functional requirements for the compression mecha= nism.
  • A document that analyses candidate compression mechanisms in light of funct= ional requirements.

 

This document specifies functional requirements for the compression mechani= sm. A functional requirement describes an compression mechanism capability = that can be observed by a network operator. For this reason, functional req= uirements are sometimes called =93operator requirements=94.

 

This document excludes architectural requirements. An architectural require= ment describes the protocol machinery that an implementation uses to satisf= y a functional requirement. While protocol machinery may be visible to a ne= twork operator, it is not the operator=92s primary concern. For this reason, architectural requirements are sometimes= called =93vendor requirements=94.

 

Because this document focuses on functional requirements, and excludes arch= itectural requirements, it is neutral with regard to candidate solutions. I= t does not prefer one solution over another because it employs preferred pr= otocol machinery.

 

This document divides functional requirements into the following categories= :

  • Efficiency and performance
  • Functional requirements
  • Operational requirements
  • Scalability requirements
  • Convergence requirements
  • Security requirements

For each requirement, a description, rational= e and metrics are offered.

 

 

 

 


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Heterogeneous SID lists X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 03:31:07 -0000 --_000_BN6PR11MB40812825A1EF5872A75DD22AC8150BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, this is obviously a functional requirement. Without it, operators are= entirely unable to build SID lists with compressed and non-compressed SRv6= SIDs. That may be a tradeoff SPRING is willing to make but we certainly m= ust make this a SHOULD. Besides the obvious cases we've discussed in our m= eetings, just this week there is a use case discussed on the 6man alias tha= t requires compressed and non-compressed segments in a single segment list. I hope other team members can register their analysis on this thread. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Ron Bonica Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:40 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] 4.1.5. Heterogeneous SID lists Folks, I strongly object to the inclusion of =934.1.5. Heterogeneous SID lists=94 = in the document. It is an architectural requirement, which is beyond the sc= ope of this document and out of charter for the design team. Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_BN6PR11MB40812825A1EF5872A75DD22AC8150BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Team, this is obviously a functional requirement. Without it, operators are= entirely unable to build SID lists with compressed and non-compressed SRv6= SIDs.  That may be a tradeoff SPRING is willing to make but we certai= nly must make this a SHOULD.  Besides the obvious cases we've discussed in our meetings, just this week there is= a use case discussed on the 6man alias that requires compressed and non-co= mpressed segments in a single segment list.

I hope other team members can register their analysis on this thread.

Darren
From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc= .ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:40 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] 4.1.5. Heterogeneous SID lists
 

Folks,

 

I strongly object to the inclusion of =934.1.5. He= terogeneous SID lists=94 in the document. It is an architectural requiremen= t, which is beyond the scope of this document and out of charter for the de= sign team.

 

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--_000_BN6PR11MB40812825A1EF5872A75DD22AC8150BN6PR11MB4081namp_-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 20:58:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2323A08AE for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 20:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jk3M3n2PrIKw for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 20:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843153A076F for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 20:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.15]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app03-12003 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee35f9b8f558ad-36ae6; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:58:13 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee35f9b8f558ad-36ae6 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.146]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr08-12008 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee85f9b8f52fc3-9799e; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:58:12 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee85f9b8f52fc3-9799e From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: "'srcomp'" Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:58:12 +0800 Message-ID: <062f01d6ae70$e3a1f2e0$aae5d8a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0630_01D6AEB3.F1C532E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdaucOLsrJHl6OMHTkqcHCPQhaiNeQ== Content-Language: zh-cn X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000037AA20BE42DA54CB029AD3729EDE70944183700 Archived-At: Subject: [Srcomp] Plan for drafts and meetings recently X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 03:58:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0630_01D6AEB3.F1C532E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Team, I would like to propose plans for design team recently. Let me know your comments. Drafts plan: 1. We will submit 00 version with the content we've agreed on next Monday. 2. We will submit 01 version during IETF 109 meeting, which will reflect the review result in next two weeks Meeting plan: 1. Additional meeting for version 00 this Friday. In order to get closure soon, Let's focus on the text of chapter introduction and chapter 4.1.5 today. Action: I would like to ask all members to give your comments on these two chapters in the mail list If possible. 2. Twice meeting per week during in two weeks Let's focus on chapter 4.1.1 , 4.1.2 and 4.3. 3. No meeting during IETF 109 4. One meeting per week after IETF109 B.R. 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SRv6 Functionality X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 03:58:46 -0000 --_000_BN6PR11MB4081491BC79A2768E153097BC8150BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, not stating that =93This requirement and set of metrics, is meant to = assess whether a proposal that is not fully SRv6 based...=94 misses the rea= son for this requirement. Solutions proposing alternate CP and DP must sup= port this functionality at least. The removal of ping to verify a SID is also not a good idea. This is IPv6,= we should be using basic IPv6 tools to verify the implementation of segmen= ts and identify when that is not possible in proposals. I hope others can register their thoughts on this. Darren ________________________________ From: Srcomp on behalf of Ron Bonica Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:48 PM To: srcomp@ietf.org Subject: [Srcomp] 4.1.2. SRv6 Functionality Folks, The following changes should be made to 4.1.2. SRv6 Functionality: Description: OLD> A solution to compress an SRv6 SID list MUST support the functionality of S= Rv6. This requirement and set of metrics, is meant to assess whether a prop= osal that is not fully SRv6 based, as evaluated in section 4.1.1, provides = equivalent functionality to SRv6. Such a proposal may utilize different con= trol plane and/or data planes. A solution to compress an SRv6 SID list MUST support the functionality of S= Rv6. Such a proposal may utilize different control plane and/or data planes= . Operators require SRv6 functionality. Evaluating the extent to which a prop= osal supports SRv6 functionality is important for operators and implementor= s to understand the impact on network operations. Operators require SRv6 functionality.
Team, not stating that =93This requirement and set of metrics, is meant to assess whethe= r a proposal that is not fully SRv6 based...=94 misses the reason for this requirement.  Solutions proposing alternat= e CP and DP must support this functionality at least.

The removal of ping to verify a SID is also not a good idea.  Thi= s is IPv6, we should be using basic IPv6 tools to verify the implementation= of segments and identify when that is not possible in proposals.

I hope others can register their thoughts on this.

Darren


From: Srcomp <srcomp-bou= nces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc= .ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 12:48 PM
To: srcomp@ietf.org <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] 4.1.2. SRv6 Functionality
 

Folks,

 

The following changes should be made to 4.1.2. SRv= 6 Functionality:

 

Description:

 

OLD>

A solution to compre= ss an SRv6 SID list MUST support the functionality of SRv6. This requiremen= t and set of metrics, is meant to assess whether a proposal that is not fully SRv6 based, as evaluated in section 4.1.1, pr= ovides equivalent functionality to SRv6. Such a proposal may utilize differ= ent control plane and/or data planes.

<OLD

 

NEW>

A solution to compre= ss an SRv6 SID list MUST support the functionality of SRv6. Such a proposal= may utilize different control plane and/or data planes.

<NEW

 

Rationale:

 

OLD>

Operators require SR= v6 functionality. Evaluating the extent to which a proposal supports SRv6 f= unctionality is important for operators and implementors to understand the impact on network operations.

<OLD

 

NEW>

Operators require SR= v6 functionality.

<NEW

 

Metrics:

 

  • Replace F.PING with F.OAM: Support a mechanism to determine the he= alth of a SID.
  • Remove F.TOT

 


Juniper Busi= ness Use Only

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Darren Dukes invites you to join this Webex meeting. Meeting number (access code): 162 201 6736 Meeting password: 5WFjM8KDYa7 (59356853 from phones) Friday, October 30, 2020 9:00 am | (UTC-04:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) | 1 hr Join meeting Tap to join from a mobile device (attendees only) +1-408-525-6800,,1622016736#59356853# Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Some mobile devices may ask attendees to enter a numeric meeting password. Join by phone +1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Global call-in numbers Join by video system, application or Skype for business Dial 1622016736@webex.com You can also dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting number. Need help? Go to http://help.webex.com --_000_BN6PR11MB4081210C46327F80844BAB46C8150BN6PR11MB4081namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Meeting number:
162 201 6736
Password:
5WFjM8KDYa7 (59356853 from phones)

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To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>
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Meeting number (access code): 162 201 6736
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ZXINCkVORDpWQUxBUk0NCkVORDpWRVZFTlQNCkVORDpWQ0FMRU5EQVINCg== --_004_BN6PR11MB4081210C46327F80844BAB46C8150BN6PR11MB4081namp_-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 21:21:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1503A0E09; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:21:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, LH_URI_DOM_IN_PATH=1.533, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UOygeG6WmzZN; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950433A0E05; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.1]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app05-12005 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee55f9b94d2417-3943f; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 12:21:40 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee55f9b94d2417-3943f X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmcc (unknown[10.2.53.146]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr01-12001 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee15f9b94d3d77-da0e1; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 12:21:40 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee15f9b94d3d77-da0e1 From: "Weiqiang Cheng" To: "'James Guichard'" , , "'Pengshuping \(Peng Shuping\)'" Cc: "'srcomp'" References: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE194ADFC7@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> <04e701d6adc3$b36818a0$1a3849e0$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 12:21:40 +0800 Message-ID: <064e01d6ae74$2a72e320$7f58a960$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_064F_01D6AEB7.38962320" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdannfvjDlwGqFxyRYKGESI5E/pCcwGIwKFAAAkyylAAIuAOcA== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] [spring] Presentation slot request in SPRING WG - IETF109 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 04:21:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_064F_01D6AEB7.38962320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chairs, Thanks a lot for arrangement. It is very good to have more discussion during IETF meeting. The design team will prepare something and make good use of this = session. =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 James Guichard =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5 19:29 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Weiqiang Cheng; spring-chairs@ietf.org; = 'Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)' =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: 'srcomp' =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Srcomp] [spring] Presentation slot request in = SPRING WG - IETF109 =20 Hi Weiqiang, =20 We requested an entire 1-hour session for the design team topic; this is = confirmed at 14:30 on Friday, 11/20. The purpose of the session is to 1) = get a readout from the design team, and 2) give the WG time for = discussion. =20 Thanks! =20 Jim, Joel & Bruno =20 =20 =20 From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Weiqiang Cheng Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 3:18 AM To: spring-chairs@ietf.org; 'Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)' = Cc: 'srcomp' Subject: Re: [Srcomp] [spring] Presentation slot request in SPRING WG - = IETF109 =20 Hi Chairs and Shuping, SRCOMP Design team are working hard recently. =20 We hope to submit 00 version of compression requirement before deadline = of IETF 109 submission, and post 01 version with more items during = meeting.=20 We would like to apply a slot to present it at the meeting.=20 =20 B.R. Weiqiang Cheng =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8822=E6=97=A5 09:37 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: spring@ietf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: spring-chairs@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [spring] Presentation slot request in SPRING WG - = IETF109 =20 Dear all, =20 We will continue to using the Google Form to collect presentation slot = requests in the SPRING WG for this IETF109. Please fill in your request = in the following Form.=20 =20 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEJ90WoDxTFGRXiNhFgKADPFdOTtSpe= tI9geRNw1FfzsSRqw/viewform = =20 =20 If there is any issue for you to access this Form, please send your = request directly to spring-chairs@ietf.org.=20 =20 Thank you! =20 Best regards, Shuping ------=_NextPart_000_064F_01D6AEB7.38962320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Chairs,

Thanks a = lot for arrangement.

It is very good to have more = discussion during IETF meeting.

The design = team will prepare something and make good use of this = session.

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: Srcomp = [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 James = Guichard
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2020=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5 = 19:29
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Weiqiang Cheng; = spring-chairs@ietf.org; 'Pengshuping (Peng = Shuping)'
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: = 'srcomp'
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Srcomp] [spring] = Presentation slot request in SPRING WG - = IETF109

 

Hi = Weiqiang,

 

We = requested an entire 1-hour session for the design team topic; this is = confirmed at 14:30 on Friday, 11/20. The purpose of the session is to 1) = get a readout from the design team, and 2) give the WG time for = discussion.

 

Thanks!

 

Jim, = Joel & Bruno

 

 

 

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Weiqiang Cheng
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 = 3:18 AM
To: spring-chairs@ietf.org; 'Pengshuping (Peng = Shuping)' <pengshuping@huawei.com>
Cc: 'srcomp' = <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] [spring] = Presentation slot request in SPRING WG - = IETF109

 

Hi Chairs and = Shuping,

SRCOMP Design team are working hard = recently. 

We hope to submit 00 version of = compression requirement before deadline of IETF 109 submission, and post = 01 version with more items during meeting.

We would = like to apply a slot to present it at the meeting. =

 

B.R.

Weiqiang = Cheng

 

 

Dear all,

 

We will continue to using the Google Form to collect = presentation slot requests in the SPRING WG for this IETF109. Please = fill in your request in the following Form.

 

https= ://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEJ90WoDxTFGRXiNhFgKADPFdOTtSpetI9ge= RNw1FfzsSRqw/viewform

 

If there is any issue for you to = access this Form, please send your request directly to spring-chairs@ietf.org. =

 

Thank you!

 

Best regards,

Shuping

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Attached is the version we edited today in the meeting, and will soon be on= github along with the TBD sections in the backup draft file.

Please read!  If there is anything missing or incorrect please email f= or discussion.

Darren
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definitions=main-2010300111 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Minutes 2020-10-30 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:39:34 -0000 --_000_DM6PR05MB6348A927017F5139528C3A36AE150DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darren, The new text looks good to me. Ron Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:35 AM To: srcomp Subject: [Srcomp] Minutes 2020-10-30 [External Email. Be cautious of content] Attached is the version we edited today in the meeting, and will soon be on= github along with the TBD sections in the backup draft file. Please read! If there is anything missing or incorrect please email for di= scussion. Darren --_000_DM6PR05MB6348A927017F5139528C3A36AE150DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Darren,

 

The new text looks good to me.

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Ron

 

 

 

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:35 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Minutes 2020-10-30

 

<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lato",sans-serif;colo= r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]

 

Attache= d is the version we edited today in the meeting, and will soon be on github= along with the TBD sections in the backup draft file.

&n= bsp;

Please = read!  If there is anything missing or incorrect please email for disc= ussion.

&n= bsp;

Darren<= o:p>

--_000_DM6PR05MB6348A927017F5139528C3A36AE150DM6PR05MB6348namp_-- From nobody Fri Oct 30 08:22:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: srcomp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EA73A0BFA for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 08:22:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CsxeIZQCIh-A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 08:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmccmta3.chinamobile.com (cmccmta3.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1823A0BDA for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.7]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app12-12012 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2eec5f9c2fa90b3-46f20; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 23:22:20 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2eec5f9c2fa90b3-46f20 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com ( [120.244.106.127] ) by ajax-webmail-syy-appsvr04-11004 (Richmail) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 23:22:19 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 23:22:19 +0800 (CST) From: =?utf-8?B?56iL5Lyf5by6?= To: srcomp Message-ID: <2afc5f9c2f18021-00019.Richmail.00003000842491517951@chinamobile.com> References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_331919_45738070.1604071339352" X-Priority: 3 X-RM-TRANSID: 2afc5f9c2f18021-00019 X-RM-OA-ENC-TYPE: 0 X-RM-FontColor: 0 X-CLIENT-INFO: X-TIMING=0&X-MASSSENT=0&X-SENSITIVE=0 X-Mailer: Richmail_Webapp(V2.2.26) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Minutes 2020-10-30 X-BeenThere: srcomp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 15:22:52 -0000 ------=_Part_331919_45738070.1604071339352 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks a lot to everyone.=20 The version is a good start. Let39s move forward.=20 I hope we can get agreement on 4.1.1, 4.1.2, 4.1.5 and more items of 4.3 in= next two weeks.=20 B. R.=20 Weiqiang =20 ----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E6=96=87----=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF= =BC=9ARon Bonica =E6=94=B6=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A"Darren Dukes (ddukes)" ,srcomp =E6=8A=84=E3=80=80=E9=80=81: (=E6=97=A0)=E5= =8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A2020-10-30 22:39:25=E4=B8=BB=E9= =A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Srcomp] Minutes 2020-10-30 =20 Darren, =20 The new text looks good to me. =20 Ron =20 =20 =20 Juniper Business Use Only From: Srcomp On Behalf Of Darren Dukes (ddukes) S= ent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:35 AM To: srcomp Subject= : [Srcomp] Minutes 2020-10-30 =20 [External Email. Be cautious of content] =20 Attached is the version we edited today in the meeting, and will soon be on= github along with the TBD sections in the backup draft file. =20 Please read! If there is anything missing or incorrect please email for di= scussion. =20 Darren ------=_Part_331919_45738070.1604071339352 Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks a lot to everyone. 

The version is a good start. Let&#= 39;s move forward. 

I hope we can get agreement on 4.1.1, 4.1.2,= 4.1.5 and more items of 4.3 in next two weeks. 


B. = R. 

Weiqiang


 
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=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A"Darren Dukes = (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>,srcomp = ;<srcomp@ietf.org>
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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe:&= nbsp;[Srcomp] Minutes 2020-10-30

   

Darren,

 

The new text looks good= to me.

 

 &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;     Ron

 

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Juniper Business Use Only

=

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Da= rren Dukes (ddukes)
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10= :35 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Minutes 2020-10-30

 

[External Email. Be cautious of co= ntent]

 

Attached i= s the version we edited today in the meeting, and will soon be on github al= ong with the TBD sections in the backup draft file.

 =

Please read!  If there is anything missing or incorr= ect please email for discussion.

 

D= arren

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, I think that the best way to reach consensus around Requirements 4.1.1 and = 4.1.5 is to have a more focused discussion of Rationale. In each section, t= he Rationale subsections should contain a table. The table should look like this: Population 1 Population 2 Population 3 Benefit 1 Yes or No Yes or No Yes or No Benefit 2 Yes or No Yes or No Yes or No Benefit 3 Yes or No Yes or No Yes or No The Populations might include: * Vendors * Operators who deploy Classic SRv6 before the compression mechanism is= available and then upgrade * Operators who deploy SRv6 after the compression mechanism is availabl= e * Others? Benefits might include: * Code reuse * Bandwidth savings from hybrid (Classic and compressed) SRv6 * Others? = Ron Juniper Business Use Only --_000_DM6PR05MB6348C3037359DB5EA55F6568AE120DM6PR05MB6348namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

I think that the best way to reach consensus around = Requirements 4.1.1 and 4.1.5 is to have a more focused discussion of Ration= ale. In each section, the Rationale subsections should contain a table.

 

The table should look like this:

 

 

Population 1

Population 2

Population 3

Benefit 1

Yes or No

Yes or No

Yes or No

Benefit 2

Yes or No

Yes or No

Yes or No

Benefit 3

Yes or No

Yes or No

Yes or No

 

The Populations might include:

 

  • Vendors
  • Operators who deploy Classic SRv6 before= the compression mechanism is available and then upgrade
    • Operators who deploy SRv6 after the compression mechanism is available
  • Others?

 

Benefits might include:

 

  • Code reuse
  • Bandwidth savings from hybrid (Classi= c and compressed) SRv6
  • Others?

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