From nobody Mon Jul 8 07:23:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03E91201F0; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 07:23:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: stir@ietf.org Message-ID: <156259581180.826.13792733336144267546@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 07:23:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stir-cert-delegation-00.txt X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 14:23:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Telephone Identity Revisited WG of the IETF. Title : STIR Certificate Delegation Author : Jon Peterson Filename : draft-ietf-stir-cert-delegation-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: The Secure Telephone Identity Revisited (STIR) certificate profile provides a way to attest authority over telephone numbers and related identifiers for the purpose of preventing telephone number spoofing. This specification details how that authority can be delegated from a parent certificate to a subordinate certificate. This supports a number of use cases, including those where service providers grant credentials to enterprises or other customers capable of signing calls with STIR. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-cert-delegation/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stir-cert-delegation-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-stir-cert-delegation-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 8 07:30:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D56712022B; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 07:30:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: stir@ietf.org Message-ID: <156259624248.851.14103286153199674698@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 07:30:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stir-oob-05.txt X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 14:30:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Telephone Identity Revisited WG of the IETF. Title : STIR Out-of-Band Architecture and Use Cases Authors : Eric Rescorla Jon Peterson Filename : draft-ietf-stir-oob-05.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: The PASSporT format defines a token that can be carried by signaling protocols, including SIP, to cryptographically attest the identify of callers. Not all telephone calls use Internet signaling protocols, however, and some calls use them for only part of their signaling path, or cannot reliably deliver SIP header fields end-to-end. This document describes use cases that require the delivery of PASSporT objects outside of the signaling path, and defines architectures and semantics to provide this functionality. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-oob/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stir-oob-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-stir-oob-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-stir-oob-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 8 08:09:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FD51202C0; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 08:09:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: stir@ietf.org Message-ID: <156259856762.887.17626345722528988249@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 08:09:27 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-06.txt X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 15:09:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Telephone Identity Revisited WG of the IETF. Title : PASSporT Extension for Diverted Calls Author : Jon Peterson Filename : draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-06.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: This document extends PASSporT, which is specified in RFC 8225 to convey cryptographically-signed information about the people involved in personal communications, to include an indication that a call has been diverted from its original destination to a new one. This information can greatly improve the decisions made by verification services in call forwarding scenarios. Also specified here is an encapsulation mechanism for nesting a PASSporT within another PASSporT that assists relying parties in some diversion scenarios. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 8 16:50:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721A012037A; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:50:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: stir@ietf.org Message-ID: <156262980637.808.708605130699124885@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 16:50:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stir-passport-rcd-04.txt X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 23:50:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Secure Telephone Identity Revisited WG of the IETF. Title : PASSporT Extension for Rich Call Data Authors : Jon Peterson Chris Wendt Filename : draft-ietf-stir-passport-rcd-04.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: This document extends PASSporT, a token for conveying cryptographically-signed call information about personal communications, to include rich data that can be rendered to users, such as a human-readable display name comparable to the "Caller ID" function common on the telephone network. The element defined for this purpose, Rich Call Data (RCD), is extensible to include related information about calls that helps people decide whether to pick up the phone. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-passport-rcd/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stir-passport-rcd-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-stir-passport-rcd-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-stir-passport-rcd-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jul 11 07:56:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DE0120140; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 07:56:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Russ Housley via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: stir@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, stir-chairs@ietf.org, Robert Sparks Message-ID: <156285701068.32459.3157134143657340769.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 07:56:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-stir-oob-05 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:56:51 -0000 Russ Housley has requested publication of draft-ietf-stir-oob-05 as Informational on behalf of the STIR working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-oob/ From nobody Thu Jul 11 08:15:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA5B12027B for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q2jTmENWDQj2 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7BC6120191 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEAC300A54 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:56:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id aInQWxREpD3O for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 36B90300596 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:56:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:15:30 -0400 References: <156259856762.887.17626345722528988249@ietfa.amsl.com> To: IETF STIR Mail List In-Reply-To: <156259856762.887.17626345722528988249@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-Id: <7B143644-E9CD-4045-A63B-C7C33197DB3C@vigilsec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-06.txt X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:15:46 -0000 Thanks for the updates to this document. It addresses all of my major = and minor comments, but a few of the nits are not addressed. I provide = those again below. As they are nits, I do think think they should = prevent the document from moving forward to the IESG. Please consider = the nits to be early IETF Last Call comments. Nits: The document uses 'div' and "div". It also used 'dest' and "dest". Please pick one convention, and then use it throughout the document. The single quote version still appears in section headings. The 'Updates' line in the title page header should list only the numbers of the to-be-updated RFCs (if approved). It should be: Updates: 8224 (if approved)=20 Russ > On Jul 8, 2019, at 11:09 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Secure Telephone Identity Revisited = WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : PASSporT Extension for Diverted Calls > Author : Jon Peterson > Filename : draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-06.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2019-07-08 >=20 > Abstract: > This document extends PASSporT, which is specified in RFC 8225 to > convey cryptographically-signed information about the people = involved > in personal communications, to include an indication that a call has > been diverted from its original destination to a new one. This > information can greatly improve the decisions made by verification > services in call forwarding scenarios. Also specified here is an > encapsulation mechanism for nesting a PASSporT within another > PASSporT that assists relying parties in some diversion scenarios. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert/ From nobody Fri Jul 12 09:04:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9222D120140 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:04:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6QlsI69QaNlu for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D5D1120800 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x6CG4Ijf013190 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:04:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1562947459; bh=q+sZzdbPEY/hHQRl8Fght9sWZGxzaxG3QW5vu3GChn0=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=pd+G+pvylVOeHmn2MsNBYIAhQ/cj0VDX4ImsCFq9T9UWVkeWacHUw2dOWZbhwfazV GWcsBBrkuy8S7BgDlhTMNH4VpWNofKJ6ZlYsNq6Q14HFNJH87kGQqVHd/MtVGn3uDw 2W8xzdfWAGetr96JHzXQkAW02FV4lhkCT0KQ/QHI= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: stir@ietf.org From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <125f2d97-a74c-b50b-1ef3-99b94e51fe5e@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:04:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A8FE4FE62B964379771166DD" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Agenda for STIR at IETF 105 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 16:04:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A8FE4FE62B964379771166DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-stir-00): STIR WG Agenda for IETF 105 in Montreal, CA Monday 22-Jul-2019 10:00 0) Minute Taker, Jabber Scribe, Bluesheets 1) Agenda Bash 2) Active Working Group Documents -- draft-ietf-stir-cert-delegation (Jon) -- draft-ietf-stir-passport-rcd (Chris) 3) Updates on post-WG LC documents -- draft-ietf-stir-oob (EKR and Jon) -- draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert (Jon) 4) Any Other Business (if time allows) 5) Wrap Up --------------A8FE4FE62B964379771166DD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

(at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-stir-00):

STIR WG Agenda for IETF 105 in Montreal, CA
Monday 22-Jul-2019 10:00

0)  Minute Taker, Jabber Scribe, Bluesheets

1)  Agenda Bash

2) Active Working Group Documents
   -- draft-ietf-stir-cert-delegation (Jon)
   -- draft-ietf-stir-passport-rcd (Chris)

3) Updates on post-WG LC documents
   -- draft-ietf-stir-oob (EKR and Jon)
   -- draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert (Jon)

4)  Any Other Business (if time allows)

5)  Wrap Up
--------------A8FE4FE62B964379771166DD-- From nobody Fri Jul 12 09:05:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED9D12082D; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Russ Housley via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: stir@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com, stir-chairs@ietf.org, Russ Housley Message-ID: <156294750950.27226.3028455735119728366.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:05:09 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-06 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 16:05:13 -0000 Russ Housley has requested publication of draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-06 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the STIR working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert/ From nobody Fri Jul 12 09:12:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA02A12015D for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:12:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nolRcoOE4Mms for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E1F2120134 for ; 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--_000_HE1PR07MB316155CC5A57D550A722B34D93CD0HE1PR07MB3161eurp_-- From nobody Sun Jul 21 14:17:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34788120128 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:17:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.889 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aVLWB_o8VgBY for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biz221.inmotionhosting.com (biz221.inmotionhosting.com [198.46.93.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FF75120098 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.149.60] (port=50243 helo=dhcp-953c.meeting.ietf.org) by biz221.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hpJDI-000Hnk-Ae for stir@ietf.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:17:50 -0700 From: Eric Burger Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B6D38F3F-84C9-4C02-9971-47F7F8FA4931"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: <7C374987-D354-4E74-9DC3-647A3C322750@standardstrack.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:17:47 -0400 To: stir@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz221.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz221.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: eburger+standardstrack.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: biz221.inmotionhosting.com: eburger@standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Thoughts on draft-ietf-stir-cert-delegation-00 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:17:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B6D38F3F-84C9-4C02-9971-47F7F8FA4931 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_64707954-8DC9-4D11-B89A-3A964B7266C9" --Apple-Mail=_64707954-8DC9-4D11-B89A-3A964B7266C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Section 4: Will SHAKEN certificates carry a TNAuthList? If not, we are in academic = exercise land. If so, we are good. If not, should we be? If we should, = is it practical? The last three paragraphs imply to me that this is a fancy way of saying = in the U.S. context the PA will allow the CA to issue signing = certificates to enterprises. Is this interpretation correct? If so, does = that not dramatically simplify things? An enterprise gets a signing = certificate. They sign their Identity header. Since they are not a CSP = entitled to put traffic on the public network, their CSP will also sign = with something like the opt mechanism. Mission accomplished? Remember, a = B attestation from a trusted CSP over a signed Identity is going to get = much better treatment than an A attestation from The Grace L. Ferguson = Robocalling and Storm Door Company = = . Section 5: Is the verification of the scope of the validation certificate in = real-time, or can it be done administratively off-line? Section 8, last paragraph of p. 7: I thought RFC 2119 does not apply to non-protocol thingies, like being = the protocol police and attempting to enforce a totally non-protocol = policy. As such, having an RFC 3514 evil bit in the CA seems a bit odd. = As the TBD offers, I=E2=80=99d suggest not going there. --Apple-Mail=_64707954-8DC9-4D11-B89A-3A964B7266C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Section 4:
Will SHAKEN certificates carry a = TNAuthList? If not, we are in academic exercise land. If so, we are = good. If not, should we be? If we should, is it practical?

The last three = paragraphs imply to me that this is a fancy way of saying in the U.S. = context the PA will allow the CA to issue signing certificates to = enterprises. Is this interpretation correct? If so, does that not = dramatically simplify things? An enterprise gets a signing certificate. = They sign their Identity header. Since they are not a CSP entitled to = put traffic on the public network, their CSP will also sign with = something like the opt mechanism. Mission accomplished? Remember, a B = attestation from a trusted CSP over a signed Identity is going to get = much better treatment than an A attestation from The Grace L. Ferguson Robocalling and Storm Door = Company.

Section 5:
Is the verification of the = scope of the validation certificate in real-time, or can it be done = administratively off-line?

Section 8, last paragraph of p. 7:
I = thought RFC 2119 does not apply to non-protocol thingies, like being the = protocol police and attempting to enforce a totally non-protocol policy. = As such, having an RFC 3514 evil bit in the CA seems a bit odd. As the = TBD offers, I=E2=80=99d suggest not going there.
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Is there = anything in the mechanism informed by the communications being personal? = I was under the belief the main use case for this mechanism was = enterprise communications. Am I mistaken? General security issue: Why would a terminating provider do a dip driven by the originator? Why would we let a random caller ask a UAS to fetch a random URI? Issues = here include: - Tracking - Malware - Detecting user presence (e.g., ignored a call that fetched the = =E2=80=98logo=E2=80=99, versus blocked, versus =E2=80=A6) Section 3.2: icn See general security issue above Section 3.3: inf See general security issue above, only multiplied because now we are = interpreting generic HTML Sections 3.4 / 3.5: jcd / icl If I get both a jcd and a jcl, MUST I reject the call? If not, forever = why not? jcl has the general security issue. Why not just have jcd as the mechanism? Section 4.1: rcdi SHOULD vs MUST Eric=E2=80=99s SHOULD construction is usually SHOULD X UNLESS Y, which = by De Morgan=E2=80=99s theorem is better stated If Y MUST X. Why is rcdi stated as =E2=80=9CIf the application requires integrity .. = the rcd claim SHOULD =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D as opposed to =E2=80=9CIf the = application requires integrity .. the rcd claim MUST =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D = In plain English, the current wording says =E2=80=9CIf the application = requires integrity, it really does not.=E2=80=9D Also, I think that requiring rcdi would help caching content, as one = would not need to fetch anything to note the sender says the content is = identical to the last time you saw it with the same rcdi. Section 4.1: algorithms Why do we list three hash algorithms to pick from? Unless there is a = very compelling reason, please pick one. Having three mandatory to = implements is begging for interoperability failure. If not = interoperability failure, by increasing lines of code and code = complexity, this is guaranteeing less secure code. Section 4.1.1: True curiosity on my part: since we=E2=80=99re using JWT, which = preserves octet format of the source, why do we need to marshal = anything? What does that buy us? Section 6: Since a jCard can have the logo, what is the value of a different icn = claim? Why not just say the claim is a jCard? Section 7: Given the current state of third-party CNAM databases is a well-known = source of evil, I=E2=80=99m wondering why we are not learning from the = past and asking to recreate it now? I=E2=80=99m not doing a dig at one = of the author=E2=80=99s affiliations: they are one of the (few? only?) = CNAM database operators that is not on the take. However, there are a = ton of much less expensive operators with less clear morals. In the = world of Shockey=E2=80=99s Law, why would we go there again? Given the = =E2=80=9Cpresent company excepted=E2=80=9D nature of the comment, = perhaps emphasizing the mechanism (does! yay!) have ways of rooting out = bad actors will explain to the lay reader (or regulator) why third-party = rcd is not evil squared. While we=E2=80=99re there, we might note that the reason we say =E2=80=9C*= add* an Identity header=E2=80=9D is this mechanism has the potential to = be a MITM attack (by design). One could expect certain jurisdictions to = ban wholesale replacement of the Identity header. However, that is = beyond the scope of the IETF. On the other hand, it is why a third-party = should not expect to replace the original Identity header if present or = masquerade as putting on an original Identity header. This really comes out in=E2=80=A6 Section 10.1: I would make clear there is no implicit trust in the veracity of the = claims in an rcd. Unless the verification service has some reason to = trust the claims, the claims are purely for entertainment purposes only. Some reasons to trust the claims include, but are not limited to: - Business relationships between the rcd attester and verifier - Regulatory enforcement (e.g., the CSP is in a jurisdiction where = lying has severe penalties) - Everything in the 3rd-party rcd attestation happens to line up with = 1st-party signed attestations (e.g., name) There are also a few typos. 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X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 00:14:23 -0000 =20 https://energycommerce.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/stopping-bad-roboc= alls-act-passes-house-of-representatives-by-an =20 =E2=80=94=20 Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richardshockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook =E2=80=93Twitter rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 =20 From nobody Wed Jul 24 17:59:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FA41205D1 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:59:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jp8YcB1_MYmk for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biz221.inmotionhosting.com (biz221.inmotionhosting.com [144.208.71.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9D7A1201B5 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.154.111] (port=62030 helo=dhcp-9a6f.meeting.ietf.org) by biz221.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hqS6O-000C0d-0S; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:59:43 -0700 From: Eric Burger Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5EB5368E-85C0-435D-871D-391C3741FC4C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 20:59:22 -0400 Message-Id: To: stir@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz221.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz221.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: eburger+standardstrack.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: biz221.inmotionhosting.com: eburger@standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: [stir] International STIR Side-meeting X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 00:59:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5EB5368E-85C0-435D-871D-391C3741FC4C Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F61FFED5-E54F-4DC2-8631-B316DD5F6C93" --Apple-Mail=_F61FFED5-E54F-4DC2-8631-B316DD5F6C93 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We held an informal side meeting at the IETF 105 venue to discuss = international issues around the deployment of STIR. I had announced the = side-meeting to the STIR list as the meeting was mentioned in the ART = Area Meeting and the venue had changed, so if people wished to attend = they needed to know where to go. This meeting was not part of the IETF = meeting and did not discuss any active IETF drafts. Much of the discussion was educating policy makers attending the = Internet Society=E2=80=99s IETF Policymakers' Program = . = Twenty-four people from thirteen countries, most from the Western = Hemisphere but four individuals from Europe, met to discuss the IETF=E2=80= =99s STIR and SIP Forum/ATIS SHAKEN work and progress in their = deployment in the USA and Canada. Most of the countries have or are transitioning to SIP-based networks, = and so will be able to support STIR. All countries have multiple = providers, some with competitive markets. Some Caribbean countries have = joined together and deployed shared infrastructure SIP networks (cloud = deployments serving multiple countries). On the one hand, only one other country (in Europe) besides the USA and = Canada said that illegal robocalls are a problem. On the other hand, = people that today do not have an illegal robocall problem realized the = Bear Problem = . One of the delegates said something along the lines, = =E2=80=9CMy goodness - if you shut off the robocalls to the USA and = Canada, they will come for us next!=E2=80=9D As this was an informal meeting, there are no formal plans for follow-up = at this time. --Apple-Mail=_F61FFED5-E54F-4DC2-8631-B316DD5F6C93 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 We = held an informal side meeting at the IETF 105 venue to discuss = international issues around the deployment of STIR. I had announced the = side-meeting to the STIR list as the meeting was mentioned in the ART = Area Meeting and the venue had changed, so if people wished to attend = they needed to know where to go. This meeting was not part of the IETF = meeting and did not discuss any active IETF drafts.

Much of the discussion was educating = policy makers attending the Internet Society=E2=80=99s IETF Policymakers' Program. Twenty-four people from = thirteen countries, most from the Western Hemisphere but four = individuals from Europe, met to discuss the IETF=E2=80=99s STIR and SIP = Forum/ATIS SHAKEN work and progress in their deployment in the USA and = Canada. 

Most = of the countries have or are transitioning to SIP-based networks, and so = will be able to support STIR. All countries have multiple providers, = some with competitive markets. Some Caribbean countries have joined = together and deployed shared infrastructure SIP networks (cloud = deployments serving multiple countries).

On the one hand, only one other country = (in Europe) besides the USA and Canada said that illegal robocalls are a = problem. On the other hand, people that today do not have an illegal = robocall problem realized the Bear Problem. One of the delegates = said something along the lines, =E2=80=9CMy goodness - if you shut = off the robocalls to the USA and Canada, they will come for us = next!=E2=80=9D

As this was an informal meeting, there are no formal plans = for follow-up at this time.
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If you have a strong reason for us to avoid one of those days, please send mail to the chairs. The exact date/time/call-coordinates will be announced soon. RjS From nobody Wed Jul 31 19:19:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A2912010C for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:19:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sn3rd.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P-45AkiAqrn5 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x82c.google.com (mail-qt1-x82c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06C1B1200C4 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x82c.google.com with SMTP id z4so68719346qtc.3 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:19:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sn3rd.com; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Ko8yswKwETnL5LYFdvJHVaIi+x+uR8ITYiM/xmux6TE=; b=ea5CQDJaINUZtL7l+60juRmMbd8hBZLH2XwOmfl+OrF0kIEgpQb45U2qGpzR6TqMyO 6uW8jJZaCvNEKq0rCkm47VRSlTqobuTW9y74MHyRSpa6dMhCmSI3JCT4ZaIo7DE2yKRa lheRU+nF3xa4PHxvFOo0kxfhhx4UmZo8Kralo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Ko8yswKwETnL5LYFdvJHVaIi+x+uR8ITYiM/xmux6TE=; b=cnohnRzlvPH9UJnAD2lBggeQ2iZvps0amkESksbh/qHylAkQ3T+If6TQfk5gsefwmI h7Pze9qithHpjR6ysSX7s7QPYkUhluz/NSZPt1eyVBHpcFMTPaWYSNm1rJ563c5LTZdv aWwUhCGRyx+chiVNEm4dgpxKEgA854ouojvl1Q6yLjnpstueRvcMmEIsXWQ70zeKPFqJ FKD12nYXXcslG3z3xE/hGopmMlc7BlRPYcKiyQ3o06Iqc3ShtwT7x96yHQue0jpxe0Ro 7QloBiTWODO3sUXk3kQtdUZAOMYJH0U5JtqeIo1IWP2gNLHpsOSqmWzN5Z9BEMGnzvMY UKGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX0z9QHJsNWxz4wywBXil7c25robaqipNngHRBojVNE7ZuA07hB QL4LxvVEAwpvd5zNP+kRn71II9wr X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqysssCSSkJD6IAPvd9YzmSMn0FfL8kEyudvaD/rU3aURKOrCFzgkXX7bnOTkXm1FCP8m3QKKg== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:264f:: with SMTP id v15mr87573533qtv.51.1564625961047; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sn3rd.lan ([75.102.131.36]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l123sm29437554qkc.9.2019.07.31.19.19.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:19:19 -0400 Cc: stir@ietf.org, Adam Roach Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4FE99A8C-091D-430B-8B10-F4BE914FEB88@sn3rd.com> References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Upcoming STIR virtual interim X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 02:19:24 -0000 Maybe we could try not to do the 19th? It=E2=80=99s the IESG telechat = so our AD might be able to make it. spt > On Jul 31, 2019, at 11:04, Robert Sparks wrote: >=20 > STIR will be holding a 2 hour virtual interim meeting during the week = of Sep 16-20. >=20 > If you have a strong reason for us to avoid one of those days, please = send mail to the chairs. >=20 > The exact date/time/call-coordinates will be announced soon. >=20 > RjS >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Wed Jul 31 19:51:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420D9120131 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:51:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mDE1kw1Mg_lc for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F61312010C for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro.roach.at (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x712pfbC053997 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:51:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1564627904; bh=rh+koNSncCI1qeXquNQrd7DvbMWLjYvKHSyfbYNndZA=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=VNn+goRxc1oKMPbuKXQZEUBwIwrNQG3UDS/zH/UWd+65C/HNZpbiirjvE/NFFaO26 wDYqpRofuzEg2YRHSOfdsumvgFhN7KEEBvKdKuuyvLZ9oxdJ64zG3ivuAndE8AMGUX yPVOBwaZFjrjTjj+36DtjkGb/zX14eFpPVIZtJ0g= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be MacBook-Pro.roach.at To: Sean Turner , Robert Sparks Cc: stir@ietf.org References: <4FE99A8C-091D-430B-8B10-F4BE914FEB88@sn3rd.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <227f8e7d-6491-ede6-ba5d-ec4b4bcf5e3e@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 21:51:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FE99A8C-091D-430B-8B10-F4BE914FEB88@sn3rd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Upcoming STIR virtual interim X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 02:51:48 -0000 Keen eye. :) I'll repeat what I sent to Robert off-list: Aside from avoiding the formal telechat on the 19th, no issues. Placing it later on the 19th or sometime on the 20th would be much better for me, as I'll be done reviewing documents for the formal. /a On 7/31/19 9:19 PM, Sean Turner wrote: > Maybe we could try not to do the 19th? It’s the IESG telechat so our AD might be able to make it. > > spt > >> On Jul 31, 2019, at 11:04, Robert Sparks wrote: >> >> STIR will be holding a 2 hour virtual interim meeting during the week of Sep 16-20. >> >> If you have a strong reason for us to avoid one of those days, please send mail to the chairs. >> >> The exact date/time/call-coordinates will be announced soon. >> >> RjS >> >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir