From nobody Mon Dec 2 15:00:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC48C1208D3; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 14:59:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Linda Dunbar via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Linda Dunbar Message-ID: <157532759781.2265.15893364669205350140@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 14:59:57 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-07 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:00:00 -0000 Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review result: Ready I have reviewed this document as part of the Ops area directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Ops area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. The document describes adding attributes to indicate a call has been diverted from its original destination to a new one. the document is written very clear. IMHO, it would be nice not to let any call originator hide his/her information, so that we can see much smaller number of spam calls. Best regards, Linda Dunbar From nobody Mon Dec 2 15:00:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B4012088F; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 14:59:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Linda Dunbar via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Linda Dunbar Message-ID: <157532759781.2030.10374312686566205200@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 14:59:57 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-stir-passport-divert-07 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:00:00 -0000 Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review result: Ready I have reviewed this document as part of the Ops area directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the Ops area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. The document describes adding attributes to indicate a call has been diverted from its original destination to a new one. the document is written very clear. IMHO, it would be nice not to let any call originator hide his/her information, so that we can see much smaller number of spam calls. Best regards, Linda Dunbar From nobody Tue Dec 3 06:40:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695ED120019; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 06:40:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-stir-oob@ietf.org, Robert Sparks , stir-chairs@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= Message-ID: <157538401835.24753.6313886931020559220.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 06:40:18 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-?= =?utf-8?q?ietf-stir-oob-06=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 14:40:19 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-oob/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't really understand why this document is requested to be published as informational and the shepherd write-up unfortunately doesn't provide any additional information about this decision, so I have to ask: I understand that the http-based protocol is meant only as an example protocol but how can such a scheme ever get deployed if there is not even a uniform protocol specified that a callee or caller can use to retrieve the needed information? If the group isn't sure about the the protocol selection yet, publishing this as experimental in order to get some experience with its deployment seems to be appropriate. However with the informational document right now (any only the example protocol), there is no guarantee for interoperability and I don't see how any test deployment could even happen. So what's the intention here? From nobody Tue Dec 3 08:13:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F5112006D; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 08:13:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-stir-oob@ietf.org, Robert Sparks , stir-chairs@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <157538963691.24732.7092855063757233926.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 08:13:56 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ietf?= =?utf-8?q?-stir-oob-06=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:13:57 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-oob/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. BTW, I second Mirja's question about the doc status. Else, see below for minor COMMENTs. Regards, -éric == COMMENTS == -- Section 4 -- It is really unclear to me how the system could work if there is no discovery mechanisms for the CPS (even if section 10 is devoted to discovery). Else, I am fearing having one CPS per smart phone OS or any other fragmentation... -- Section 6 -- " transport-level security can provide confidentiality from eavesdroppers for both the storage", while I agree that TLS provides confidentiality for eavesdroppers, I wonder how it can protect the storage (data at rest) ? Or am I reading the sentence incorrectly ? -- Section 7.4 -- Should this section "Substitution Attacks" be a sub-section of section 7.3 "Security Analysis" ? In the time diagram, it is not clear at reading the figure what CS stands for (need to read the text below) also unclear who is initiating 'Call from CS': is it the attacker? 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Russ > On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: >=20 >=20 > The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in=20 > state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley) >=20 > The document is available at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf. > org_doc_draft-2Ddolly-2Dstir-2Drph-2Demergency-2Dservices_&d=3DDwICAg&c= =3D > LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DSQVk1RmY4XGvgC5E7WN= T > -lRcpa2rLtmBO3AkAFX-Puw&s=3DWK6OyF8OpLD16XgriOV3BbRyeOSdQ-o2eHK7njjwHuo& > e=3D >=20 > Comment: > This document was discussed at IETF 106, and the people in the room=20 > expressed interest in adopting the document. _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3DSQVk1RmY4XGvgC5E7WNT-lRcpa2rLtmBO3AkAFX-Puw&s=3DkR3O2pttYNDbO_Qy6M= KT6LRkCHcjm58b9Ux8TNqhEbU&e=3D=20 From nobody Tue Dec 3 14:33:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2FF12004D for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:33:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=chriswendt-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0PJwSnHL2LHi for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2c.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71E1012003F for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2c.google.com with SMTP id o18so2294696qvf.1 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 14:33:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chriswendt-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=g6QmeQlXqmPWB7m0cg5d/AxOgh0TJHta+HHhYqAH4R8=; b=dgpttGMbqWgPu2JPf5mmvuS8jlSWiV8xzQJDK1AM7KlWoU7MBN6hjtGgxRbhGCF6oN ng9GhJd/8ZYjsulPaRx8lXmx5123GDlx2dXZ3+DzVQQ6yCasj5LBapQdMIxFmhZD2oZh Xy5DukmLijRJKiVW7nJELbXs2AG6zMmZulRhqVTv7GZBkYD5yKcaWEMaQzyct8WEop02 i2u4vpG3lBjJq2+Yg1lBMmOXggsz84CPRF8HTdu6XEDLc955Xx3JdTb+lVzkY4eqoOJF ZhMyYXZ7upVD7pEeuvKHpOmcClBfjJH41WDvbbn6+tKbee/qjaa3l7ia7+QpKYMmLJLk qAng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=g6QmeQlXqmPWB7m0cg5d/AxOgh0TJHta+HHhYqAH4R8=; b=JgnpxqFb5VvpjdexQc0VPw3QMjL0jGKLSGTkHHFVselusrAdRXDW8QtQvxjvskqQiu qrAnXUl824fdl6A62ad7RAGrXwDdtkHBjfb6a+qAuIejTIn1lj7ZnEeO93c1H6FTNViq hn4caflrSkNGIgMexME7WfFoZ/81l0EQne/15c5M/hlAiNlsBCVoOEsxq7KsNdEoByPs clRdF0Ll+HNOgdtWkIJ+advlxnn6b2bKhC4XyQ59k+D4psjlVaNSqaQL4cjFNPGumVNy ODn1C4LDsvnViebUh/Osw0ft05RbmNeZ3LSJaJGBhISSLFajlDM1pj34B34l+T2qLUt0 COHw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWhivzACvQ3+BdhyNRdCxkNQxfoMkx3MhNgpIWW5GF5P/f+XYFj TRP2+caQrdtOb1BWhhKXNivifw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwMlQ9SNeMHmgyWjRRJSLuBuOhGMehxS8H2j5+AmOMagUhI4IQ5prDXsTUYYdwZJIsCXxQtpQ== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:55c8:: with SMTP id bt8mr7790387qvb.23.1575412379485; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 14:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.30.126.161] (fw800-d-ashburn-va-corp.comcast.net. [198.178.9.180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k14sm2512156qki.66.2019.12.03.14.32.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Dec 2019 14:32:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Chris Wendt In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:32:57 -0500 Cc: Russ Housley , IETF STIR Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <157429966624.922.6336772483106473689.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Martin C Dolly X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 22:33:03 -0000 +1 > On Dec 3, 2019, at 4:08 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: >=20 > I support adoption, of course :) >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: stir On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:31 PM > To: IETF STIR Mail List > Subject: [stir] Call For Adoption of = draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services >=20 > Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by the = STIR WG by December 12th. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in=20 >> state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley) >>=20 >> The document is available at >> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf. >> = org_doc_draft-2Ddolly-2Dstir-2Drph-2Demergency-2Dservices_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3D= >> = LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DSQVk1RmY4XGvgC5E7WNT= >> = -lRcpa2rLtmBO3AkAFX-Puw&s=3DWK6OyF8OpLD16XgriOV3BbRyeOSdQ-o2eHK7njjwHuo& >> e=3D >>=20 >> Comment: >> This document was discussed at IETF 106, and the people in the room=20= >> expressed interest in adopting the document. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailma= n_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7I= tG0r2g&m=3DSQVk1RmY4XGvgC5E7WNT-lRcpa2rLtmBO3AkAFX-Puw&s=3DkR3O2pttYNDbO_Q= y6MKT6LRkCHcjm58b9Ux8TNqhEbU&e=3D=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Tue Dec 3 14:48:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA501120096 for ; 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Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:47:22 -0500 From: "Peterson, Jon" To: Chris Wendt CC: Martin C Dolly , IETF STIR Mail List , "Russ Housley" Thread-Topic: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services Thread-Index: AQHVoAs/TLTT4Pb6cUiv96y5xIwCmaepTz2AgAAXtoD//7A2Zw== Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 22:47:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <157429966624.922.6336772483106473689.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.95,18.0.572 definitions=2019-12-03_07:2019-12-02,2019-12-03 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 22:48:03 -0000 Also +1. 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Sent from my iPad > On Dec 3, 2019, at 5:32 PM, Chris Wendt wrote= : >=20 > +1 >=20 >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 4:08 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: >>=20 >> I support adoption, of course :) >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stir On Behalf Of Russ Housley >> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:31 PM >> To: IETF STIR Mail List >> Subject: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-serv= ices >>=20 >> Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by the STI= R WG by December 12th. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in=20 >>> state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley) >>>=20 >>> The document is available at >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf= . >>> org_doc_draft-2Ddolly-2Dstir-2Drph-2Demergency-2Dservices_&d=3DDwICAg&c= =3D >>> LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DSQVk1RmY4XGvgC5E7= WNT >>> -lRcpa2rLtmBO3AkAFX-Puw&s=3DWK6OyF8OpLD16XgriOV3BbRyeOSdQ-o2eHK7njjwHuo= & >>> e=3D >>>=20 >>> Comment: >>> This document was discussed at IETF 106, and the people in the room=20 >>> expressed interest in adopting the document. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mail= man_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7= ItG0r2g&m=3DSQVk1RmY4XGvgC5E7WNT-lRcpa2rLtmBO3AkAFX-Puw&s=3DkR3O2pttYNDbO_Q= y6MKT6LRkCHcjm58b9Ux8TNqhEbU&e=3D=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Tue Dec 3 15:06:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B187120096 for ; 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Hala -----Original Message----- From: stir On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:31 PM To: IETF STIR Mail List Subject: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-service= s Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by the STIR W= G by December 12th. 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Thanks, _Subir On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 8:30 PM Russ Housley wrote: > Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by the STIR > WG by December 12th. > > Russ > > > > On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat < > ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in state > > Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley) > > > > The document is available at > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services/ > > > > Comment: > > This document was discussed at IETF 106, and the people in the room > expressed > > interest in adopting the document. > > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > --00000000000085d3410598d615db Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=C2=A0 support the adoption of this draft.

Thanks,
_Subir

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at = 8:30 PM Russ Housley <housley@vi= gilsec.com> wrote:
Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by= the STIR WG by December 12th.

Russ


> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@iet= f.org> wrote:
>
>
> The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in stat= e
> Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley)
>
> The document is available at
> https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services/
>
> Comment:
> This document was discussed at IETF 106, and the people in the room ex= pressed
> interest in adopting the document.

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Dezember 2019 22:08 An: Russ Housley ; IETF STIR Mail List Betreff: Re: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-ser= vices I support adoption, of course :) -----Original Message----- From: stir On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:31 PM To: IETF STIR Mail List Subject: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-service= s Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by the STIR W= G by December 12th. Russ > On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: >=20 >=20 > The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in=20 > state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley) >=20 > The document is available at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf. > org_doc_draft-2Ddolly-2Dstir-2Drph-2Demergency-2Dservices_&d=3DDwICAg&c= =3D > LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DSQVk1RmY4XGvgC5E7WN= T > -lRcpa2rLtmBO3AkAFX-Puw&s=3DWK6OyF8OpLD16XgriOV3BbRyeOSdQ-o2eHK7njjwHuo& > e=3D >=20 > Comment: > This document was discussed at IETF 106, and the people in the room=20 > expressed interest in adopting the document. _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3DSQVk1RmY4XGvgC5E7WNT-lRcpa2rLtmBO3AkAFX-Puw&s=3DkR3O2pttYNDbO_Qy6M= KT6LRkCHcjm58b9Ux8TNqhEbU&e=3D=20 _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Wed Dec 4 05:19:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B3D12012E for ; 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Regards, J=F6rgen -----Original Message----- From: stir On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: den 21 november 2019 02:31 To: IETF STIR Mail List Subject: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-service= s Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by the STIR W= G by December 12th. Russ > On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: >=20 >=20 > The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in=20 > state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley) >=20 > The document is available at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-servic > es/ >=20 > Comment: > This document was discussed at IETF 106, and the people in the room=20 > expressed interest in adopting the document. _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Wed Dec 4 06:27:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CDC120813 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 06:27:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25gN76d-_g-B for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 06:27:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6780112012E for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 06:27:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.86.10.6] (136.0.32.70.hosted.by.gigenet.com [70.32.0.136] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xB4ERoV5050506 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:27:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1575469673; bh=oGQIkx5DVoHDfejVfMXyriTi8xH+07EF9puawE5zCAM=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=CvDPXi3g1Lzw1BAVwCDidGCMRhPBrX/VEhb/cfQD6m2lnnoz7CBrDPfml9HLLtKWg VzJzHoRXGVQ1zzqA/KmyOQPHS+e1xRs0sjRlYm6OCEG3hnT1VJIrQnQPjw1RnVDXsm E4vdlHLizf+do+NdEX1XudDoBTybbjpui+VqqDiw= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 136.0.32.70.hosted.by.gigenet.com [70.32.0.136] (may be forged) claimed to be [10.86.10.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:27:50 -0500 Cc: IETF STIR Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <157429966624.922.6336772483106473689.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 14:27:56 -0000 I support adoption. IIRC, the registration policy for the passport RPH value registry is = spec-required, so an RFC is not absolutely necessary. But one certainly = doesn=E2=80=99t hurt, and the right people to work on it are in STIR.=20 Thanks, Ben. > On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by the = STIR WG by December 12th. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in = state >> Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley) >>=20 >> The document is available at >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services/ >>=20 >> Comment: >> This document was discussed at IETF 106, and the people in the room = expressed >> interest in adopting the document. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Wed Dec 4 06:47:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511BB120816; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 06:47:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-stir-oob@ietf.org, Robert Sparks , stir-chairs@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <157547083629.11183.9480480570192812115.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 06:47:16 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 14:47:16 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-oob/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 7.4. Per “Callers could store dummy PASSporTs at the CPS at random intervals in order to make it more difficult for an eavesdropper to use traffic analysis to determine that a call was about to be placed.”, given the different use cases and possible implementation strategies, I recommend using a different term that “callers” (since it sometimes might be gateways, a new kind of privacy devices which populates the CPS on behalf of a block of numbers it is supposes to protect, etc.). Section 7.5 Authenticate to CPS ---------------------> Blinded(K_temp) -------------------------> <------------- Sign(K_cps, Blinded(K_temp)) [Disconnect] Sign(K_cps, K_temp) Sign(K_temp, E(K_receiver, PASSporT)) ---> At an initial time when no call is yet in progress, a potential client connects to the CPS, authenticates, and sends a blinded version of a freshly generated public key. The CPS returns a signed version of that blinded key. The sender can then unblind the key and gets a signature on K_temp from the CPS. Recommend the following editorial clarifications to explain this flow: - s/and sends a blinded version of a freshly generated public key/and sends a blinded version of a freshly generated public key (i.e., K_temp)/ (maybe do that for other flow elements as well, or number the follows to allow easy reference in the text) - The K_cps depicted in the flow diagram is not explained in the text (i.e., the public key of the CPS?) - The K_receiver depicted in the follow diagram is not explained in the text - s/Sign(K_cps, K_temp)/Sign(K_cps, K_temp) ------------->/ - Somehow visual distinguish in the flow diagram that the signing key of “Sign(K_cps …)” is different than “Sign(K_temp, E(K_receiver …” Section 7.5. Per “Then later, when a client wants to store a PASSporT, it connects to the CPS anonymously (preferably over a network connection that cannot be correlated with the token acquisition)”, are there recommended strategies to realize non-attributed and attributed use cases across the use cases? Section 8.1. Per Step 2, this text provides an example of “out-of-band applications built-in to the calling device”, which covers only a subset of the use cases in Section 5 (i.e., UC1, 2 and 4?) Can anything be said about the other use cases? Section 9. Given that this document is notionally just laying out use cases, a high-level architecture, and high-level design considerations, this section seems to cross deep into a notional solution without all of the details outlined in the previous section. I would recommend removing it. * Editorial Nits: - Section 1. s/But while the core/While the core/ - Section 1. s/Then techniques/The techniques/ - Section 4. s/it is here specified generically/it is specified here generically/ - Section 7. Colloquial language. s/sketchy/vague/ - Section 7.4. Editorial. s/All that receipt/All the receipt/ From nobody Wed Dec 4 12:09:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC8B1200A3; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:09:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suhas Nandakumar via Datatracker To: Cc: last-call@ietf.org, stir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-stir-oob.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Suhas Nandakumar Message-ID: <157549014531.11194.2020475510400637531@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:09:05 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-stir-oob-06 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 20:09:05 -0000 Reviewer: Suhas Nandakumar Review result: Ready with Nits Summary: The document is a well written summary and covers the ideas clearly. I don't have major concerns but do have few minor concerns and Nits that might help with some clarifications Major issues: None Minor issues: 1. Section 7.2 para 2 states : "The CPS responds with any such PASSporTs (assuming they exist)." Given CPS will always respond with a dummy PASSporT, the statement in the parentheses doesn't hold. (Referring to section 6.2) 2. Section 7.4 Call flow: "Call from CS (forged caller-id info)" . Since its the attacker making the call here, we probably need to change it as "Call from Attacker (forged caller-id info)". 3. Section 7.5 has the following: Sign(K_cps, K_temp) Sign(K_temp, E(K_receiver, PASSporT)) ---> This is a clarification question for my understanding. What happens when one of the 2 messages sent gets lost when storing the PASSporT. Should we need to add any clarifications to that extent ? 4. Section 7.5 last para: clarification question Since PASSporT is encrypted at CPS , how is it aged out based on the "iat" value. Is it a function to VS to age out PASSporTs at a given CPS ? Nits/editorial comments: 1. Section 5.2 para 1: would be nice to add reference to Section 10 2. Section 7.2 Call Flow: "Store PASSporT" --> "Store Encrypted PASSporT" 3. Section 7.2 Call Flow: "Ring phone with callerid" --> "Ring phone with verified callerid" 4. Section 8.2 Step 3: "number number" --> "number" 5 Section 8.3 para 2: "Per Step 3" --> "Per Step 3 of Section 8.1" From nobody Wed Dec 4 12:11:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4014A1200A3; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:11:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alissa Cooper via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-stir-oob@ietf.org, Robert Sparks , stir-chairs@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alissa Cooper Message-ID: <157549028519.11105.10460597742514712129.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:11:25 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Alissa Cooper's Abstain on draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 20:11:25 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: Abstain When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-oob/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I understand why this document has been useful for the WG to discuss, but I'm unclear on its lasting value as an RFC, especially with a number of open issues of possible different directions under consideration that are listed in the draft. Please respond to the Gen-ART review if this document moves forward. 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I entered an Abstain ballot as I=E2=80=99m = unclear on the archival value of this document. I did request a response = to your review though. Alissa > On Dec 4, 2019, at 3:09 PM, Suhas Nandakumar via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: Suhas Nandakumar > Review result: Ready with Nits >=20 > Summary: The document is a well written summary and covers the ideas = clearly. > I don't have major concerns but do have few minor concerns and Nits = that might > help with some clarifications >=20 > Major issues: None >=20 > Minor issues: > 1. Section 7.2 para 2 states : "The CPS responds with any such = PASSporTs > (assuming they exist)." Given CPS will always respond with a dummy = PASSporT, > the statement in the parentheses doesn't hold. (Referring to section = 6.2) >=20 > 2. Section 7.4 Call flow: "Call from CS (forged caller-id info)" . = Since its > the attacker making the call here, we probably need to change it as = "Call from > Attacker (forged caller-id info)". >=20 > 3. Section 7.5 has the following: >=20 > Sign(K_cps, K_temp) > Sign(K_temp, E(K_receiver, PASSporT)) ---> >=20 > This is a clarification question for my understanding. What happens = when > one of the 2 messages sent gets lost when storing the PASSporT. Should = we need > to add any clarifications to that extent ? >=20 > 4. Section 7.5 last para: clarification question > Since PASSporT is encrypted at CPS , how is it aged out based on the = "iat" > value. Is it a function to VS to age out PASSporTs at a given CPS ? >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: >=20 > 1. Section 5.2 para 1: would be nice to add reference to Section 10 > 2. Section 7.2 Call Flow: "Store PASSporT" --> "Store Encrypted = PASSporT" > 3. Section 7.2 Call Flow: "Ring phone with callerid" --> "Ring phone = with > verified callerid" 4. Section 8.2 Step 3: "number number" --> "number" = 5 > Section 8.3 para 2: "Per Step 3" --> "Per Step 3 of Section 8.1" >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Wed Dec 4 12:22:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C8D120947; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:22:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pM2quDJeYAKZ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D97E512093F; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from Svantevit.local (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xB4KMG4r011966 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 4 Dec 2019 14:22:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1575490939; bh=VtilS/bv03fheLaz7Non04uPjwtqyHd3YKP/XgmhLnM=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Rlqgx2egfelsew4wSaoYZZEG3vPjiuV6C7qx2biywjX5q+yS21apMSX0H+sHF1YUM CGyIBY83cF0dwOF3W7E5g/MzapR3Z1Us3Kh/S2R1Wcp0ZbAJUUh6VskNwMX/D+fZ1c YsKIWARG7VbTw1zT8E4NzQ4QQRg3N18eV0Ehxhds= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be Svantevit.local To: Alissa Cooper , The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-stir-oob@ietf.org, stir@ietf.org, stir-chairs@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com References: <157549028519.11105.10460597742514712129.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <40d442d0-0225-945e-9f7b-d2ba936a3152@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 14:22:11 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <157549028519.11105.10460597742514712129.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Alissa Cooper's Abstain on draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 20:22:24 -0000 On 12/4/19 2:11 PM, Alissa Cooper via Datatracker wrote: > I understand why this document has been useful for the WG to discuss, but I'm > unclear on its lasting value as an RFC, especially with a number of open issues > of possible different directions under consideration that are listed in the > draft. The missing piece of the puzzle here may be that there are external groups who work on call spam abatement. See, in particular, the SHAKEN solution developed by ATIS on top of the STIR work. So there is a high chance that this document will serve as useful input to concrete external efforts. Publishing it as an RFC makes it more reasonably citable by such external entities. /a From nobody Wed Dec 4 13:03:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F757120971; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 13:03:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.279 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.279 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, MAY_BE_FORGED=0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HmLp-k7oEWnd; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 13:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F29512004C; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 13:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.17.10.6] (77.0.32.70.hosted.by.gigenet.com [70.32.0.77] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xB4L34sk019129 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 4 Dec 2019 15:03:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1575493386; bh=eUjKgtGtTKm7dmRSOco5vL4FKkjnZzA7TT6HYDVbR7Q=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=qOj5dv3+Oym40Wcn8b2gi8/RPrLSw5cj+ru0sX1wpYVctQscUhwRPbyMhJOM8snGS WkfFLSNgcue1492ekd6FM969g8cCR2rA30gdBSoHlqPys7+6BuE1mZ5ojB6XPjmKL+ 2WGwCpiRECmGLeDpLZp4QvAzdEhBV4BqH2aAN974= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 77.0.32.70.hosted.by.gigenet.com [70.32.0.77] (may be forged) claimed to be [10.17.10.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: <40d442d0-0225-945e-9f7b-d2ba936a3152@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 16:03:03 -0500 Cc: Alissa Cooper , The IESG , draft-ietf-stir-oob@ietf.org, stir@ietf.org, stir-chairs@ietf.org, Robert Sparks Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <652D6A74-80C5-4719-9165-F5A84508B812@nostrum.com> References: <157549028519.11105.10460597742514712129.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <40d442d0-0225-945e-9f7b-d2ba936a3152@nostrum.com> To: Adam Roach X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Alissa Cooper's Abstain on draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 21:03:11 -0000 > On Dec 4, 2019, at 3:22 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >=20 > On 12/4/19 2:11 PM, Alissa Cooper via Datatracker wrote: >> I understand why this document has been useful for the WG to discuss, = but I'm >> unclear on its lasting value as an RFC, especially with a number of = open issues >> of possible different directions under consideration that are listed = in the >> draft. >=20 >=20 > The missing piece of the puzzle here may be that there are external = groups who work on call spam abatement. See, in particular, the SHAKEN = solution developed by ATIS on top of the STIR work. So there is a high = chance that this document will serve as useful input to concrete = external efforts. Publishing it as an RFC makes it more reasonably = citable by such external entities. Along those lines: I=E2=80=99m currently at the SIPNOC conference in = Washington. A large number of attendees have shown interest in STIR OOB. = Most of these are not people who would ordinarily participate in the = IETF. Some are participants in the IP-NNI task force (The ATIS group = Adam mentioned). I think this draft will be useful in helping them frame = their thinking. I=E2=80=99m not sure other methods of publication would = reach that audience as well. Ben. >=20 > /a >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Wed Dec 4 21:18:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758BC120047; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 21:18:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-stir-oob@ietf.org, Robert Sparks , stir-chairs@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <157552310844.11164.18270155817118695527.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 21:18:28 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 05:18:28 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-oob/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's discuss whether we need a standalone privacy considerations section. The document obviously does not ignore privacy, and in fact actively seeks privacy improvements in several places (encrypting PASSporTs to the recipient's key, blind-signatures for rate-limiting submission to the CPS, etc.), but it seems like a structured discussion that considers all the actors and the data flows amongst them might add significant value. Given the expected use of TLS and end-to-end PASSporT encryption, the direct leakage of call information to intermediaries/observers seems low, and the main risk is in metadata/correlation attacks that attempt to link submission to the CPS with initiation and reception of calls, with the CPS representing an entirely new potential attack point for learning about call information (in addition to the existing PSTN and SIP infrastructure). Some avenues for this have been closed off in the design/architecture presented, but I don't currently have confidence that all of them have been (to the extent that the cost/benefit tradeoff remains reasonable). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 5.2 After normal PSTN routing, the call lands on a smart mobile handset that supports the STIR out-of-band mechanism. It queries the appropriate CPS over the Internet to determine if a call has been How might "the appropriate CPS" be determined? (Is just linking to Section 10 the right thing to do?) Section 7.3 2. The attacker wishes to substitute himself for an existing call setup as described in Section 7.4. If an attacker can inject fake PASSporT into the CPS or in the communication from the CPS to the callee, he can mount either attack. As PASSporTs should be digitally signed by an appropriate authority for the number and verified by the callee (see Section 7.1), this should not arise in ordinary operations. For privacy and robustness Doesn't the substitution attack in the following section count as achieving (2)? And in general, couldn't an attacker always race with any legitimate call? Section 7.4 We don't specify what 111.555.1111 corresponds to before we use it in the example. In order to prevent a passive attacker from using traffic analysis or similar means to learn precisely when a call is placed, it is essential that the connection between the caller and the CPS be encrypted as recommended above. Callers could store dummy PASSporTs at the CPS at random intervals in order to make it more difficult for an eavesdropper to use traffic analysis to determine that a call was about to be placed. Not just encrypted, but potentially persistent, too? I guess that only makes sending the dummy traffic cheaper, but doing it non-persistently is not impossible. Section 7.5 We should note that K_cps should be limited to *only* be valid for signing these specific tokens, to avoid having a signing oracle that could be used for nefarious purposes. (Either here or in the security considerations.) Sign(K_cps, K_temp) Isn't this more of an "unblind" operation than a "sign" one, given that "Sender" shouldn't know K_cps? Section 9 The timestamps in these examples are kind of old at this point; do we want to refresh them to be closer to the time of publication? Assume that an authentication service has created the following PASSporT for a call to the telephone number 2.222.555.2222 (note that these are dummy values): eyJhbGciOiJFUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6InBhc3Nwb3J0IiwieDV1IjoiaHR0cHM6Ly9j ZXJ0LmV4YW1wbGUub3JnL3Bhc3Nwb3J0LmNlciJ9.eyJkZXN0Ijp7InVyaSI6WyJz aXA6YWxpY2VAZXhhbXBsZS5jb20iXX0sImlhdCI6IjE0NDMyMDgzNDUiLCJvcmlnI jp7InRuIjoiMTIxNTU1NTEyMTIifX0.rq3pjT1hoRwakEGjHCnWSwUnshd0-zJ6F1 VOgFWSjHBr8Qjpjlk-cpFYpFYsojNCpTzO3QfPOlckGaS6hEck7w Er, is the destination 2.222.555.2222 or sip:alice@example.com? Having concluded the numbered steps in Section 8.1, including acquiring any token (per Section 6.1) needed to store the PASSporT at the CPS, the authentication service then stores the encrypted PASSporT: POST /cps/2.222.555.2222/ppts HTTP/1.1 Host: cps.example.com Content-Type: application/passport rlWuoTpvBvWSHmV1AvVfVaE5pPV6VaOup3Ajo3W0VvjvrQI1VwbvnUE0pUZ6Yl9w MKW0YzI4LJ1joTHho3WaY3Oup3Ajo3W0YzAypvW9rlWxMKA0Vwc7VaIlnFV6JlWm nKN6LJkcL2INMKuuoKOfMF5wo20vKK0fVzyuqPV6VwR0AQZlZQtmAQHvYPWipzyaV wc7VaEhVwbvZGVkAGH1AGRlZGVvsK0ed3cwG1ubEjnxRTwUPaJFjHafuq0-mW6S1 IBtSJFwUOe8Dwcwyx-pcSLcSLfbwAPcGmB3DsCBypxTnF6uRpx7j Is it really appropriate to use the "application/passport" media type for an encrypted PASSporT? The web service assigns a new location for this encrypted PASSporT in the collection, returning a 201 OK with the location of /cps/2.222.222.2222/ppts/ppt1. Now the authentication service can Should we consider the potential information leakage from sequential URL components? Perhaps randomized path components are better. Section 11 It is a desirable property that the public encryption key for a given party be linked to their STIR credential. We therefore propose that an ECDH [RFC7748] public-private key pair be generated for a subcert [I-D.ietf-tls-subcerts] of the STIR credential. That subcert could It seems a bit premature to phrase this as "We therefore propose" given that the rest of our speculative discusions have been generic in nature. From nobody Thu Dec 5 07:59:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A4E120013; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 07:58:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alissa Cooper via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-stir-oob@ietf.org, Robert Sparks , stir-chairs@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, stir@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alissa Cooper Message-ID: <157556153340.16433.17487890323498883516.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 07:58:53 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 15:58:54 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stir-oob/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the clarifications about why this is being published as an RFC. It would be good to document those in the shepherd write-up. Please respond to the Gen-ART review if this document moves forward. 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stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 18:38:09 -0000 +1 on adoption as well.=20 =E2=80=94=20 Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richardshockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook =E2=80=93Twitter rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 =20 =EF=BB=BFOn 12/6/19, 9:27 AM, "stir on behalf of Eric Burger" wrote: +1 (as an individual) =20 > On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Russ Housley wrot= e: >=20 > Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by the = STIR WG by December 12th. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in st= ate >> Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley) >>=20 >> The document is available at >> 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verify=NOT); Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:32:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:32:50 -0800 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "Peterson, Jon" Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-stir-oob@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks , "stir-chairs@ietf.org" , "stir@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20191211203250.GQ13890@kduck.mit.edu> References: <157552310844.11164.18270155817118695527.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <96186048-4DF4-4263-BE1E-DA57B415E162@team.neustar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <96186048-4DF4-4263-BE1E-DA57B415E162@team.neustar> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:33:00 -0000 Hi Jon, On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 12:46:14AM +0000, Peterson, Jon wrote: > > Hello Benjamin, > > Thanks for the read of the OOB doc. I'd be happy to add a standalone privacy considerations section before we advance the specification. I imagine it would largely point to discussions in other sections of the document, but I can see some value in also providing a general overview and comparison of the privacy properties of OOB versus traditional (in-band) STIR. Thanks. I also expect it to mostly reference discussions elsewhere in the document, but it's hard to be sure until it's done :) > Thanks as well for your other comments here, which I'll attempt to fix in the revision. Regarding the substitution attack in particular, attackers can race any call provided they know exactly when it has been placed, which is why there is proposed behavior dedicated to reducing the amount that attackers might learn about call placement from eavesdropping on the CPS. I think it's a difficult race to win even under the most favorable circumstances for the attacker. In any event, it requires a level of sophistication that is well beyond what people do to launch illegal spoofed robocalls today, which is the main thing we're trying to win relief from with the STIR work. Definitely agreed that this makes spoofed robocalls much harder, and that is something worth doing, and I do appreciate the measures to avoid/reduce the leakage about call information. -Ben > Jon Peterson > Neustar, Inc. > > On 12/4/19, 9:18 PM, "Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker" wrote: > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-stir-oob-06: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_iesg_statement_discuss-2Dcriteria.html&d=DwICaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=dQ51tLfoGuuFjanmfeKC0weXHNMl9xZnnsIiwRd6IgY&m=Man2MO2PFEM9IaoJ9d4F7LJsQ7j_F8GMiWhI4r7BnDU&s=hA69wNIM9AmdI2CLrVG5h6K9NpyH8JbUx7oz_LH_tyk&e= > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dstir-2Doob_&d=DwICaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=dQ51tLfoGuuFjanmfeKC0weXHNMl9xZnnsIiwRd6IgY&m=Man2MO2PFEM9IaoJ9d4F7LJsQ7j_F8GMiWhI4r7BnDU&s=HuM8zm-NwqAopn8eEK6qnKnmVnkycFjd_kOuQp_fx4E&e= > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Let's discuss whether we need a standalone privacy considerations > section. The document obviously does not ignore privacy, and in fact > actively seeks privacy improvements in several places (encrypting > PASSporTs to the recipient's key, blind-signatures for rate-limiting > submission to the CPS, etc.), but it seems like a structured discussion > that considers all the actors and the data flows amongst them might add > significant value. Given the expected use of TLS and end-to-end > PASSporT encryption, the direct leakage of call information to > intermediaries/observers seems low, and the main risk is in > metadata/correlation attacks that attempt to link submission to the CPS > with initiation and reception of calls, with the CPS representing an > entirely new potential attack point for learning about call information > (in addition to the existing PSTN and SIP infrastructure). Some avenues > for this have been closed off in the design/architecture presented, but > I don't currently have confidence that all of them have been (to the > extent that the cost/benefit tradeoff remains reasonable). > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 5.2 > > After normal PSTN routing, the call lands on a smart mobile handset > that supports the STIR out-of-band mechanism. It queries the > appropriate CPS over the Internet to determine if a call has been > > How might "the appropriate CPS" be determined? (Is just linking to > Section 10 the right thing to do?) > > Section 7.3 > > 2. The attacker wishes to substitute himself for an existing call > setup as described in Section 7.4. > > If an attacker can inject fake PASSporT into the CPS or in the > communication from the CPS to the callee, he can mount either attack. > > As PASSporTs should be digitally signed by an appropriate authority > for the number and verified by the callee (see Section 7.1), this > should not arise in ordinary operations. For privacy and robustness > > Doesn't the substitution attack in the following section count as > achieving (2)? And in general, couldn't an attacker always race with > any legitimate call? > > Section 7.4 > > We don't specify what 111.555.1111 corresponds to before we use it in > the example. > > In order to prevent a passive attacker from using traffic analysis or > similar means to learn precisely when a call is placed, it is > essential that the connection between the caller and the CPS be > encrypted as recommended above. Callers could store dummy PASSporTs > at the CPS at random intervals in order to make it more difficult for > an eavesdropper to use traffic analysis to determine that a call was > about to be placed. > > Not just encrypted, but potentially persistent, too? I guess that only > makes sending the dummy traffic cheaper, but doing it non-persistently > is not impossible. > > Section 7.5 > > We should note that K_cps should be limited to *only* be valid for > signing these specific tokens, to avoid having a signing oracle that > could be used for nefarious purposes. (Either here or in the security > considerations.) > > Sign(K_cps, K_temp) > > Isn't this more of an "unblind" operation than a "sign" one, given that > "Sender" shouldn't know K_cps? > > Section 9 > > The timestamps in these examples are kind of old at this point; do we > want to refresh them to be closer to the time of publication? > > Assume that an authentication service has created the following > PASSporT for a call to the telephone number 2.222.555.2222 (note that > these are dummy values): > > eyJhbGciOiJFUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6InBhc3Nwb3J0IiwieDV1IjoiaHR0cHM6Ly9j > ZXJ0LmV4YW1wbGUub3JnL3Bhc3Nwb3J0LmNlciJ9.eyJkZXN0Ijp7InVyaSI6WyJz > aXA6YWxpY2VAZXhhbXBsZS5jb20iXX0sImlhdCI6IjE0NDMyMDgzNDUiLCJvcmlnI > jp7InRuIjoiMTIxNTU1NTEyMTIifX0.rq3pjT1hoRwakEGjHCnWSwUnshd0-zJ6F1 > VOgFWSjHBr8Qjpjlk-cpFYpFYsojNCpTzO3QfPOlckGaS6hEck7w > > Er, is the destination 2.222.555.2222 or sip:alice@example.com? > > Having concluded the numbered steps in Section 8.1, including > acquiring any token (per Section 6.1) needed to store the PASSporT at > the CPS, the authentication service then stores the encrypted > PASSporT: > > POST /cps/2.222.555.2222/ppts HTTP/1.1 > Host: cps.example.com > Content-Type: application/passport > > rlWuoTpvBvWSHmV1AvVfVaE5pPV6VaOup3Ajo3W0VvjvrQI1VwbvnUE0pUZ6Yl9w > MKW0YzI4LJ1joTHho3WaY3Oup3Ajo3W0YzAypvW9rlWxMKA0Vwc7VaIlnFV6JlWm > nKN6LJkcL2INMKuuoKOfMF5wo20vKK0fVzyuqPV6VwR0AQZlZQtmAQHvYPWipzyaV > wc7VaEhVwbvZGVkAGH1AGRlZGVvsK0ed3cwG1ubEjnxRTwUPaJFjHafuq0-mW6S1 > IBtSJFwUOe8Dwcwyx-pcSLcSLfbwAPcGmB3DsCBypxTnF6uRpx7j > > Is it really appropriate to use the "application/passport" media type > for an encrypted PASSporT? > > The web service assigns a new location for this encrypted PASSporT in > the collection, returning a 201 OK with the location of > /cps/2.222.222.2222/ppts/ppt1. Now the authentication service can > > Should we consider the potential information leakage from sequential URL > components? Perhaps randomized path components are better. > > Section 11 > > It is a desirable property that the public encryption key for a given > party be linked to their STIR credential. We therefore propose that > an ECDH [RFC7748] public-private key pair be generated for a subcert > [I-D.ietf-tls-subcerts] of the STIR credential. That subcert could > > It seems a bit premature to phrase this as "We therefore propose" given > that the rest of our speculative discusions have been generic in nature. > > > > From nobody Fri Dec 13 11:59:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372A912002E for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vGqiK6EGUnOV for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6E77120089 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5879F300A58 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 14:59:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Y7ZYqaaBann8 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 14:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-108-51-198-163.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.198.163]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30520300464 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 14:59:17 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 14:59:17 -0500 References: <157429966624.922.6336772483106473689.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: IETF STIR Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Call For Adoption of draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 19:59:22 -0000 No one spoke against adoption, and many people indicated support. So, = this document is adopted by the STIR WG. Authors, please post draft-ietf-stir-rph-emergency-services-00. Russ > On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Please indicate whether you support adoption of this document by the = STIR WG by December 12th. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:27 PM, IETF Secretariat = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> The STIR WG has placed draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services in = state >> Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Russ Housley) >>=20 >> The document is available at >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dolly-stir-rph-emergency-services/ >>=20 >> Comment: >> This document was discussed at IETF 106, and the people in the room = expressed >> interest in adopting the document. >=20 From nobody Thu Dec 19 18:39:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E9E12081B for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 18:39:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=shockey.us Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BNO-YfAPXPtR for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway32.websitewelcome.com (gateway32.websitewelcome.com [192.185.145.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 133B11207FD for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cm11.websitewelcome.com (cm11.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.5]) by gateway32.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B8956CD6C for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 20:39:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from box5527.bluehost.com ([162.241.218.19]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id i8BwirMWPiJ43i8BwiFASh; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 20:39:01 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shockey.us; s=default; h=Content-transfer-encoding:Content-type:Mime-version:Message-ID: To:From:Subject:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Ne8sg3JBZ7pN3tFhE0CWPG36Hd+7XGykUnegnNLNY7Y=; b=eD7oxDn95jkjuvuYa5wEJtxqhe mOKQxEDEcmRwiZVqgwU/v1Gd2xekj0bwEmjifnK/TXpF8zKyX1C6LyaA3FYkTbi0fcpHEP7i/e5wx QqIO91kfVcWbFHOM1gzlP40ph; Received: from pool-100-36-47-17.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.36.47.17]:54802 helo=[192.168.1.156]) by box5527.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ii8Bw-0004qs-Nk for stir@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 19:39:00 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.20.0.191208 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 21:38:59 -0500 From: Richard Shockey To: "stir@ietf.org" Message-ID: <8B488F96-6E9A-451B-A2F9-5D3FD8711FA0@shockey.us> Thread-Topic: We won... 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X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 02:39:06 -0000 S 151 was passed by the Senate today and now lands on the Presidents desk. = STIR/SHAKEN is a mandate in US law.=20 https://www.consumerreports.org/robocalls/how-traced-act-robocall-law-w= ill-protect-consumers/ And in other news Fake Caller ID Schemes: Information on Federal Agencies' Efforts to Enforce= Laws, Educate the Public, and Support Technical Initiatives https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-20-153 =20 =E2=80=94=20 Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richardshockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook =E2=80=93Twitter rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 =20 From nobody Fri Dec 20 11:53:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685BD1209CE; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 11:53:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: stir@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com, adam@nostrum.com, stir-chairs@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.114.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157687160838.4119.12652932445845827291.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 11:53:28 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] stir - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 107 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 19:53:28 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Russ Housley, a Chair of the stir working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Russ Housley Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 60 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: ipwave lamps suit Technology Overlap: sipcore modern ecrit Key Participant Conflict: dispatch secdispatch saag sipbrandy tls mls teep oauth acme perc cfrg mmusic avtcore People who must be present: Russ Housley Sean Turner Adam Roach Robert Sparks Jon Peterson Chris Wendt Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sat Dec 21 13:26:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B03D120025 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 13:26:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJFTpMtNdZoQ for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 13:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80CCA120074 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 13:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D346300B24 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 16:26:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id BF7sqNtKdTzH for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 16:26:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-108-51-198-163.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.198.163]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03327300B16 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2019 16:26:07 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 16:26:08 -0500 To: IETF STIR Mail List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [stir] URN SOS X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 21:26:12 -0000 At the session at IETF 106, there was a suggestion that a URN SOS be = defined. I am sending this note to start a discussion on that topic. 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I am sending this note to start a discussion on that topic. > > Russ > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > --000000000000ee0ce5059a50e600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure if this is what you=E2=80=99re thinking of,= or if this has already been mentioned, but: urn:service:sos exists.=C2=A0<= /div>


On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 17:26 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
At the session at IETF 106, there was a sugges= tion that a URN SOS be defined.=C2=A0 I am sending this note to start a dis= cussion on that topic.

Russ
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--000000000000ee0ce5059a50e600-- From nobody Sun Dec 22 13:14:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232BB12006D for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:14:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8hXeCxuBXeEd for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2855120033 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB7E300B2F for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id AMzK-_U6o5x0 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-108-51-198-163.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.198.163]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6129300A1D; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Message-Id: <00593B03-11CE-4364-97AF-79B53881FCF6@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_970FF8B4-603F-4979-8089-72CAD39BF178" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:14:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: IETF STIR Mail List To: Richard Barnes References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] URN SOS X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 21:14:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_970FF8B4-603F-4979-8089-72CAD39BF178 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Richard: It seems to meet the need that was raised in the discussion. Others can = comment if I missed some important context. Russ > On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: >=20 > Not sure if this is what you=E2=80=99re thinking of, or if this has = already been mentioned, but: urn:service:sos exists.=20 >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5031 = >=20 > On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 17:26 Russ Housley > wrote: > At the session at IETF 106, there was a suggestion that a URN SOS be = defined. I am sending this note to start a discussion on that topic. >=20 > Russ > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir = > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir --Apple-Mail=_970FF8B4-603F-4979-8089-72CAD39BF178 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Richard:

It= seems to meet the need that was raised in the discussion.  Others = can comment if I missed some important context.

Russ


On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:

Not sure if this is what you=E2=80=99re thinking = of, or if this has already been mentioned, but: urn:service:sos = exists. 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5031


On Sat, Dec = 21, 2019 at 17:26 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
At the session at IETF = 106, there was a suggestion that a URN SOS be defined.  I am = sending this note to start a discussion on that topic.

Russ
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Introduction This document provides enhancements to the existing mechanisms for authenticated identity management in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) [RFC3261 ]. An identity, for the purposes of this document, is defined as either o a canonical address-of-record (AoR) SIP URI employed to reach a user (such as "sip:alice@atlanta.example.com") or o a telephone number, which commonly appears either in a tel URI [RFC3966 ] or as the user portion of a SIP URI. On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:14 PM Russ Housley wrote: > Richard: > > It seems to meet the need that was raised in the discussion. Others can > comment if I missed some important context. > > Russ > > > On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > > Not sure if this is what you=E2=80=99re thinking of, or if this has alrea= dy been > mentioned, but: urn:service:sos exists. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5031 > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 17:26 Russ Housley wrote: > >> At the session at IETF 106, there was a suggestion that a URN SOS be >> defined. I am sending this note to start a discussion on that topic. >> >> Russ >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >> > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > > > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > --000000000000e90c41059a5f7be7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
May= have to do with the fact that RFC 8224 does not cover URNs:

1.  Introduction


   This document provides enhancements to the existing mechanisms for
   authenticated identity management in the Session Initiation Protocol
   (SIP) [RFC3261].  An identity, for the p=
urposes of this document, is
   defined as either

   o  a canonical address-of-record (AoR) SIP URI employed to reach a
      user (such as "sip:alice@atlanta.example.com") or

   o  a telephone number, which commonly appears either in a tel URI
      [RFC3966] or as the user portion of =
a SIP URI.

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:14 PM Russ Housley = <housley@vigilsec.com> wr= ote:
Richard:

It seems to mee= t the need that was raised in the discussion.=C2=A0 Others can comment if I= missed some important context.

Russ

On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Richa= rd Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:

Not sure if this is what = you=E2=80=99re thinking of, or if this has already been mentioned, but: urn= :service:sos exists.=C2=A0


On Sat, Dec 21,= 2019 at 17:26 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
At the session at IETF 106, there was a suggestion that = a URN SOS be defined.=C2=A0 I am sending this note to start a discussion on= that topic.

Russ
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X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN7PR12MB2803 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] URN SOS X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 15:09:29 -0000 On 12/23/19 9:02 AM, Anders Kristensen wrote: > May have to do with the fact that RFC 8224 does not cover URNs: If the problem is that URNs aren't covered, then how would replacing urn:service:sos with urn:sos solve the problem??? The use of urn:service:sos is institutionalized now in a lot of documents. Changing that seems like a hard problem. How about fixing RFC 8224? Thanks, Paul > 1 . Introduction > > > > This document provides enhancements to the existing mechanisms for > authenticated identity management in the Session Initiation Protocol > (SIP) [RFC3261 ]. An identity, for the purposes of this document, is > defined as either > > o a canonical address-of-record (AoR) SIP URI employed to reach a > user (such as "sip:alice@atlanta.example.com ") or > > o a telephone number, which commonly appears either in a tel URI > [RFC3966 ] or as the user portion of a SIP URI. > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:14 PM Russ Housley > wrote: > > Richard: > > It seems to meet the need that was raised in the discussion.  Others > can comment if I missed some important context. > > Russ > > >> On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Richard Barnes > > wrote: >> >> Not sure if this is what you’re thinking of, or if this has >> already been mentioned, but: urn:service:sos exists. >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5031 >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 17:26 Russ Housley > > wrote: >> >> At the session at IETF 106, there was a suggestion that a URN >> SOS be defined.  I am sending this note to start a discussion >> on that topic. >> >> Russ >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >> >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > > > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > From nobody Mon Dec 23 08:52:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8FE120A4D for ; 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Dolly Lead Member of Technical Staff Government & Services Standards AT&T Cell: +1.609.903.3360 Email: md3135@att.com On Dec 23, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Paul Kyzivat > wrote: On 12/23/19 9:02 AM, Anders Kristensen wrote: May have to do with the fact that RFC 8224 does not cover URNs: If the problem is that URNs aren't covered, then how would replacing urn:se= rvice:sos with urn:sos solve the problem??? The use of urn:service:sos is institutionalized now in a lot of documents. = Changing that seems like a hard problem. How about fixing RFC 8224? Thanks, Paul 1 . Introduction This document provides enhancements to the existing mechanisms for authenticated identity management in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) [RFC3261 ]. An identity, for the purpo= ses of this document, is defined as either o a canonical address-of-record (AoR) SIP URI employed to reach a user (such as "sip:alice@atlanta.example.com ") or o a telephone number, which commonly appears either in a tel URI [RFC3966 ] or as the user portion of a SIP= URI. On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:14 PM Russ Housley > wrote: Richard: It seems to meet the need that was raised in the discussion. Others can comment if I missed some important context. Russ On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Richard Barnes > wrote: Not sure if this is what you=92re thinking of, or if this has already been mentioned, but: urn:service:sos exists. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf.org_ht= ml_rfc5031&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g= &m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DYFxpwD-sFZG8qj0YD1Q3dY= HCnMgjeMIRRHjMWcakYeI&e=3D On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 17:26 Russ Housley > wrote: At the session at IETF 106, there was a suggestion that a URN SOS be defined. I am sending this note to start a discussion on that topic. Russ _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_= mailman_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhC= mpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DAzNKVu9D7KO= Uqyaaebb1l-WkXrq-sBd4hBOP1NZESsU&e=3D _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mail= man_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7= ItG0r2g&m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DAzNKVu9D7KOUqya= aebb1l-WkXrq-sBd4hBOP1NZESsU&e=3D _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mail= man_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7= ItG0r2g&m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DAzNKVu9D7KOUqya= aebb1l-WkXrq-sBd4hBOP1NZESsU&e=3D _________________________________________= ______ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DAzNKVu9D7KOUqyaaeb= b1l-WkXrq-sBd4hBOP1NZESsU&e=3D _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DAzNKVu9D7KOUqyaaeb= b1l-WkXrq-sBd4hBOP1NZESsU&e=3D --_000_22C9E60D45A44DA1A78D0720BE8B90AEattcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul

That is what was discussed in the meeting

Regards

Martin C. Dolly

Lead Member of Technical Staff

Government & Services Standar= ds

AT&T

Cell: +1.609.903= .3360

Email: md3135@att.com


On Dec 23, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

On 12/23/19 9:02 AM, Anders Kristensen wrote:=
May have to do with the fact that RFC 8224 = does not cover URNs:

If the problem is that URNs aren't covered, then how would replacing = urn:service:sos with urn:sos solve the problem???

The use of urn:service:sos is institutionalized now in a lot of docum= ents. Changing that seems like a hard problem. How about fixing RFC 8224?

   Thanks,
   Paul

   1 <https://urldefense= .proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf..org_html_rfc8224-23section= -2D1&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7I= tG0r2g&m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DVQ2OV0oQ= 5RymRKh71MqRjUjZoVwk433iXVncEctnZLU&e=3D >. Introduction
   This document provides en= hancements to the existing mechanisms for
   authenticated identity ma= nagement in the Session Initiation Protocol
   (SIP) [RFC3261  <= https://urldefe= nse.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc3261&d= =3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&= ;m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DBGjbtQQGGuj4m4lgJ-= bpTO2NmEkBs6vCssCmUena32c&e=3D >].  An identity, for the purposes of this document, is
   defined as either<= br>
   o  a canonical addre= ss-of-record (AoR) SIP URI employed to reach a
      user (s= uch as "sip:alice@atlanta.ex= ample.com  <= mailto:sip%3Aalice@atlanta.example.com>") or
   o  a telephone numbe= r, which commonly appears either in a tel URI
      [RFC396= 6  <htt= ps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc= 3966&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7I= tG0r2g&m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DdHRjXLr5= _Y_dbtfZ8PvYXJTxJNDbByiejlPvh89HYLU&e=3D >] or as the user portion of a SIP URI.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:14 PM Russ Housle= y <housley@vigilsec.com <= mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>= > wrote:
   Richard:
   It seems to meet the need= that was raised in the discussion.  Others
   can comment if I missed s= ome important context.
   Russ
   On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:38 = PM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx<= br>
   <mailto:rlb@ipv.sx>> wrote:

   Not sure if this is what = you=92re thinking of, or if this has
   already been mentioned, b= ut: urn:service:sos exists.

   https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/ur= l?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc5031&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_= HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DLlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_= YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=3DYFxpwD-sFZG8qj0YD1Q3dYHCnMgjeMIRRHjMWcakYeI&= amp;e=3D

   On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 1= 7:26 Russ Housley <housley@vigil= sec.com
   <mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>> wrote:

       A= t the session at IETF 106, there was a suggestion that a URN
       S= OS be defined.  I am sending this note to start a discussion
       o= n that topic.

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Helo=[outgoing-alum.mit.edu] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY4PR12MB1144 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] URN SOS X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 17:42:01 -0000 On 12/23/19 11:51 AM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: > Paul > > That is what was discussed in the meeting If it is to be discussed on this list, then can some of the context be brought here to the list as well? Thanks, Paul > Regards > > Martin C. Dolly > > Lead Member of Technical Staff > > Government & Services Standards > > AT&T > > Cell: +1.609.903.3360 > > Email: md3135@att.com > > > On Dec 23, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Paul Kyzivat > wrote: > >> On 12/23/19 9:02 AM, Anders Kristensen wrote: >>> May have to do with the fact that RFC 8224 does not cover URNs: >> >> If the problem is that URNs aren't covered, then how would replacing >> urn:service:sos with urn:sos solve the problem??? >> >> The use of urn:service:sos is institutionalized now in a lot of >> documents. Changing that seems like a hard problem. How about fixing >> RFC 8224? >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >>> 1 >>> >> >. Introduction >>> This document provides enhancements to the existing mechanisms for >>> authenticated identity management in the Session Initiation Protocol >>> (SIP) [RFC3261 >>> >> >]. An identity, for the purposes of this document, is >>> defined as either >>> o a canonical address-of-record (AoR) SIP URI employed to reach a >>> user (such as "sip:alice@atlanta.example.com >>> ") or >>> o a telephone number, which commonly appears either in a tel URI >>> [RFC3966 >>> >> >] or as the user portion of a SIP URI. >>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:14 PM Russ Housley >> > wrote: >>> Richard: >>> It seems to meet the need that was raised in the discussion. Others >>> can comment if I missed some important context. >>> Russ >>>> On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Richard Barnes >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Not sure if this is what youre thinking of, or if this has >>>> already been mentioned, but: urn:service:sos exists. >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc5031&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=LlWDlfhDO4Vkx9MdBi1k_YjkLmARgGgAlH6FjS6mDmc&s=YFxpwD-sFZG8qj0YD1Q3dYHCnMgjeMIRRHjMWcakYeI&e= >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 17:26 Russ Housley >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> At the session at IETF 106, there was a suggestion that a URN >>>> SOS be defined. 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