From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Fri Oct 11 01:01:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDD021E815F for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 01:01:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.672 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.672 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.577, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FrJT3XJnrajN for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 01:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC9021E809C for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 01:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7f738e000003ee3-b8-5257b05ccd62 Received: from ESESSHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 21.17.16099.C50B7525; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 10:01:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.146]) by ESESSHC004.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.30]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 10:01:32 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [RAI] Fwd: NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATED 2nd Call for Nominations - APP, OAM, RAI, TSV Thread-Index: Ac7GWApcUTv0Y+iKRdye7218ZI/BEA== Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:01:31 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4BAF0A@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: fi-FI X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.148] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprHLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvrW7MhvAggxNLjSxuNT9mdWD0WLLk J1MAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxvnTHxkLmgwrfh9+ydbA+F69i5GTQ0LARGL6gmWsELaYxIV7 69m6GLk4hAQOM0pc+H6NBcJZwijR/+4bkMPBwSZgIdH9TxukQURAVWLCl5uMILawQJzE+WfP mSDicRK/v9yFsvUkjjzZAVbDAlT/628LG4jNK+Ar8XrmSjCbEWjx91NrwOqZBcQlPhy8zgxx kIDEkj3noWxRiZeP/0EdqiTRuOQJK0S9jsSC3Z/YIGxtiWULXzNDzBeUODnzCcsERuFZSMbO QtIyC0nLLCQtCxhZVjGy5yZm5qSXG25iBIbxwS2/dXcwnjoncohRmoNFSZz3w1vnICGB9MSS 1OzU1ILUovii0pzU4kOMTBycUg2MjYbPpyyOe6jEbXDc+uLvcvYpUc7vXwZIfxZi9Jvht6rM Wfn12rpP2/TEnKyr+lg2ZrloHXoi8XuRS7du9aqYs0v4bxzxdPiYtuWqsdUpvZXPBfn45276 mFfw761dyvYZM7bvvMjX0H1yikPLmUVsh1P/zKgPLzz4d9qRpCde12aa1/41io24oMRSnJFo qMVcVJwIAHbQ+eUxAgAA Subject: [straw] Fwd: [RAI] Fwd: NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATED 2nd Call for Nominations - APP, OAM, RAI, TSV X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:01:39 -0000 FYI, Regards, Christer & Victor -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [RAI] Fwd: NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATED 2nd Call for Nominations - APP, O= AM, RAI, TSV Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:44:23 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo To: Folks, we need more volunteers (see email below). If you are thinking of running b= ut still have some doubts about it, feel free to talk with me (or with any = of the former RAI ADs) and we will be happy to clarify everything for you. Cheers, Gonzalo -------- Original Message -------- Subject: NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATED 2nd Call for Nominations - APP, OAM, RAI, TS= V Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 11:45:14 -0700 From: NomCom Chair Reply-To: To: IETF Announcement List CC: UPDATE: nominations are too sparse in several of the IESG areas: APP, OAM,= RAI, and TSV. If you know one or more of those areas, exercise your socia= l network and submit nominations. We'll be very grateful! Is there someone you work with at IETF who has leadership potential and a g= rowing track record? Please read this Nomcom call for nominations and consi= der nominating her or him. Or several folks! Deadline for nominations is Oc= tober 18. Nominate soon to give your nominee(s) plenty time to fill in the questionna= ire. If you're nominated, even if you support the present incumbent, being revie= wed by Nomcom is great IETF experience. The questionnaire offers a chance = to think about IETF and about your area. Whether or not your candidacy pro= gresses this time, you'll have gained some valuable insights, and you'll ha= ve contributed greatly. This process only works because many IETFers take p= art; please join in. Lots more, including which positions are open, how to make a nomination (in= cluding nomination of yourself), and how to send us your feedback on the de= sired expertise, follows. IETFers, let's hear from you! Make nominations, accept nominations! If you have any questions about the process, feel free to get in touch with= me. Best regards, Allison for the Nomcom Allison Mankin Nomcom Chair 2013-14 ----- The Info You Need for Nominating ----- The 2013-14 Nominating Committee (Nomcom) is seeking nominations from now u= ntil October 18, 2013. The open positions being considered by this year's N= omcom can be found later in this section, and also on this year's Nomcom we= bsite: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2013/ Information about the desired expertise for positions is here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2013/expertise Nominations may be made by selecting the Nominate link at the top of the No= mcom 2013 home page, or by visiting the following URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2013/nominate/ Note that nominations made using the web tool require an ietf.org datatrack= er account. You can create a datatracker ietf.org account if you don't have= one already by visiting the following URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/create/ Nominations may also be made by email to nomcom13 at ietf.org. If you nominate by email, please include the word "Nominate" in the Subject= and indicate in the email who is being nominated, their email address (to = confirm acceptance of the nomination), and the position for which you are m= aking the nomination. If you use email, please use a separate email for eac= h person you nominate, and for each position (if you are nominating one per= son for multiple positions). Self-nomination is welcome! No need to be shy. Nomcom 2013-14 will follow the policy for "Open Disclosure of Willing Nomin= ees" described in RFC 5680. As stated in RFC 5680: "The list of nominees w= illing to be considered for positions under review in the current Nomcom cy= cle is not confidential". Willing nominees for each position will be listed= in a publicly accessible way - anyone with a datatracker account may acces= s the lists. In all other ways, the confidentiality requirements of RFC 37= 77/BCP10 remain in effect. All feedback and all Nomcom deliberations will = remain confidential and will not be disclosed. In order to ensure time to collect sufficient community feedback about each= of the willing nominees, nominations must be received by the Nomcom on or = before October 18, 2013. Please submit your nominations as early as possib= le for the sake of your nominees, as we've set the questionnaire submission= deadline for October 25, 2013. The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2014 IETF meeti= ng, and thus the positions for which we are accepting nominations: IAOC Chris Griffiths IAB Bernard Aboba Marc Blanchet Ross Callon Eliot Lear Hannes Tschofenig IESG Barry Leiba (Applications) Brian Haberman (Internet) Benoit Claise (Operations and Management) Gonzalo Camarillo (RAI) Stewart B= ryant (Routing) Sean Turner (Security) Martin Stiemerling (Transport) Please be resourceful in identifying possible candidates for these position= s, as developing our talent is a very crucial requirement for the IETF. Al= so, please give serious consideration to accepting nominations you receive. The summaries of the desired expertise for the positions, developed by the = respective bodies, are found at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2013/expertise/ In addition to nominations, the Nomcom seeks community input on the positio= ns themselves. We need and welcome the community's views and input on the = jobs within each organization. If you have ideas on the positions' responsi= bilities (more, less, different), please let us know. You can send us emai= l about this to nomcom13 at ietf.org, and we will use this feedback actively. Thank you for your help in nominating a great pool of strong and interestin= g nominees! _______________________________________________ RAI mailing list RAI@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai _______________________________________________ mmusic mailing list mmusic@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic From lorenzo@meetecho.com Sun Oct 20 00:43:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6846811E8362 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 00:43:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HjbQcEYXN8rs for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 00:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpdg95.aruba.it (smtpdg95.aruba.it [62.149.158.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC96811E8360 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 00:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lminiero ([95.234.190.251]) by smtpcmd05.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id fKjm1m00V5RtgHb01Kjmrk; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:43:47 +0200 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:43:46 +0200 From: Lorenzo Miniero To: "straw@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20131020094346.5b6a9a02@lminiero> Organization: Meetecho X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo , Victor Pascual Subject: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:43:57 -0000 Dear all, we just published a draft aimed at addressing the RTCP requirements deliverable in the charter: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miniero-straw-b2bua-rtcp-00 The motivation for the draft also comes from implementation efforts we devoted in that sense, working on WebRTC gateways in particular. The idea is, considering these efforts, to also address the SRTP and STUN deliverables, but we decided to start writing something down on RTCP first and then maybe work on the others later on. As most -00 it's still pretty rough, but most of the "juice" should be already there. We tried to follow the organization the taxonomy draft presents about B2BUAs handling media: of all of them, the media termination section is still quite sketchy, but the others already present some more meaningful content. While working on the draft, Sergio also raised some valid points about whether or not we should also address RTP management in B2BUAs, especially when a B2BUA is terminating media. We decided, at least for now, to just address those aspects of RTP that have an impact on RTCP, since that's what the deliverable is about, but we felt it may be indeed worthwhile to also discuss potential RTP issues somewhere in STRAW, e.g., by describing the different things a B2BUA may/should (not) be doing as a media terminator. Is this something you also see a need for, and if so, would this require an additional deliverable or could it be part of existing ones? Any feedback will be more than welcome! Lorenzo From albrecht.schwarz@alcatel-lucent.com Mon Oct 21 07:59:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFE011E85DA for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:59:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.601, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CMJTDWnTAWnq for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [135.245.0.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F48A11E85ED for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (h135-239-2-42.lucent.com [135.239.2.42]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id r9LExL2P002453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:59:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712wxchhub03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.74]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id r9LExKHq025987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:59:21 +0200 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.3.70]) by FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.74]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:59:21 +0200 From: "Schwarz, Albrecht (Albrecht)" To: Lorenzo Miniero , "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: comment to B2BUA terminology; RE: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable Thread-Index: AQHOzWg66Y5k8AflDU61U1y3aj8DMpn/Pilg Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:59:20 +0000 Message-ID: <786615F3A85DF44AA2A76164A71FE1AC0CFD13@FR711WXCHMBA03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <20131020094346.5b6a9a02@lminiero> In-Reply-To: <20131020094346.5b6a9a02@lminiero> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.41] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo , Victor Pascual Subject: [straw] comment to B2BUA terminology; RE: Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:59:43 -0000 Thanks for that effort Lorenzo! Network PLANEs (such as user plane, control plane, management plane, signal= ling plane, data plane, media plane, etc) aim to separate characteristics o= f networks. Thus, different planes are NOT overlapping (because this would = inherently violate a plane concept). That said: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-02,=20 a description like: "A Media-plane B2BUA is one that operates at both the S= IP and media planes, not only on SIP messages but also SDP and potentially RTP/ RTCP or other media." violates actually the plane concept! My suggestion, either remove the notion of 'plane' in "x-plane B2BUA" terms, or use the following terminology: There are two B2BUA types: a) B2BUA with a "SIP B2BUA" and a "media-plane B2BUA"=20 b) B2BUA with a "SIP B2BUA" and without a "media-plane B2BUA" The existing B2BUA terminology is confusing. Regards, Albrecht -----Original Message----- From: straw-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:straw-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of L= orenzo Miniero Sent: Sonntag, 20. Oktober 2013 09:44 To: straw@ietf.org Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo; Victor Pascual Subject: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable Dear all, we just published a draft aimed at addressing the RTCP requirements deliver= able in the charter: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miniero-straw-b2bua-rtcp-00 The motivation for the draft also comes from implementation efforts we devo= ted in that sense, working on WebRTC gateways in particular. The idea is, c= onsidering these efforts, to also address the SRTP and STUN deliverables, b= ut we decided to start writing something down on RTCP first and then maybe = work on the others later on. As most -00 it's still pretty rough, but most of the "juice" should be alre= ady there. We tried to follow the organization the taxonomy draft presents = about B2BUAs handling media: of all of them, the media termination section = is still quite sketchy, but the others already present some more meaningful= content. While working on the draft, Sergio also raised some valid points about whet= her or not we should also address RTP management in B2BUAs, especially when= a B2BUA is terminating media. We decided, at least for now, to just addres= s those aspects of RTP that have an impact on RTCP, since that's what the d= eliverable is about, but we felt it may be indeed worthwhile to also discus= s potential RTP issues somewhere in STRAW, e.g., by describing the differen= t things a B2BUA may/should (not) be doing as a media terminator. Is this s= omething you also see a need for, and if so, would this require an addition= al deliverable or could it be part of existing ones? Any feedback will be more than welcome! Lorenzo _______________________________________________ straw mailing list straw@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Mon Oct 21 08:04:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDCB11E862C for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:04:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.627 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.627 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.621, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q3O3UmZq7B9I for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C1211E8613 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7f738e000003ee3-b4-5265426f7b3e Received: from ESESSHC013.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id CB.4E.16099.F6245625; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:04:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.201]) by ESESSHC013.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.57]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:04:15 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Lorenzo Miniero , "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable Thread-Index: AQHOzWglM/ARTlBbUkKaSFoNvdfKvpn/Qh6zgAAAr3g= Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:04:14 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4E5CD6@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <20131020094346.5b6a9a02@lminiero> In-Reply-To: <20131020094346.5b6a9a02@lminiero> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.20] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4E5CD6ESESSMB209erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpmkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGfG3RjffKTXIoO+3ucX2LQuYLJ7+285s cav5MavFznWHWR1YPHbOusvusWTJTyaPjof32T1O9L5gCmCJ4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4MrYvHwt U8EX/YoHc1exNjAe0ehi5OSQEDCR6J/8nw3CFpO4cG89kM3FISRwmFHiwuxv7BDOEkaJa5ve s3QxcnCwCVhIdP/TBmkQEfCV+PL2KAuIzSyQKfH91GywQcIC1hI39k1hhKixkXiwfyMTSKuI gJXEpkv2IGEWAVWJD5+2gpXzAo059esBE4gtJKAnMXXiVLA4p4C+xIr9n8DGMwLd9v3UGiaI VeISt57MZ4K4WUBiyZ7zzBC2qMTLx/9YIWxFiavTl0PV50tcOXAOapegxMmZT1gmMIrOQjJq FpKyWUjKIOJ6EjemTmGDsLUlli18zQxh60rM+HcIqsZaYs2JNkZkNQsYOVYxsucmZuaklxtu YgRG5MEtv3V3MJ46J3KIUZqDRUmc98Nb5yAhgfTEktTs1NSC1KL4otKc1OJDjEwcnFINjB27 ryflfzm6REr13MlFftJujhv9fuTev9NpeSlZ7qX8pk0zj27cPfffZbcv78NvaxTWZ71fqRx3 /pGAV4hdc3zrNf3SWebHtoi/0s/fEqhtvGrX2V89Sa6hP3iMnp90jOPtKHy3UGLuixLr2piW 2ojZSx4m5jQLHmbZVdh5iffd4wirj3z2k5VYijMSDbWYi4oTAa8DmU+WAgAA Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo , Victor Pascual Subject: Re: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:04:23 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4E5CD6ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (As co-chair) Hi Lorenzo, Thanks for submitting the draft! We'd ask interested people to take a look at the draft, and provide initial= comments and questions. Regards, Christer ________________________________ From: straw-bounces@ietf.org [straw-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Lorenzo = Miniero [lorenzo@meetecho.com] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:43 AM To: straw@ietf.org Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo; Victor Pascual Subject: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable Dear all, we just published a draft aimed at addressing the RTCP requirements deliverable in the charter: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miniero-straw-b2bua-rtcp-00 The motivation for the draft also comes from implementation efforts we devoted in that sense, working on WebRTC gateways in particular. The idea is, considering these efforts, to also address the SRTP and STUN deliverables, but we decided to start writing something down on RTCP first and then maybe work on the others later on. As most -00 it's still pretty rough, but most of the "juice" should be already there. We tried to follow the organization the taxonomy draft presents about B2BUAs handling media: of all of them, the media termination section is still quite sketchy, but the others already present some more meaningful content. While working on the draft, Sergio also raised some valid points about whether or not we should also address RTP management in B2BUAs, especially when a B2BUA is terminating media. We decided, at least for now, to just address those aspects of RTP that have an impact on RTCP, since that's what the deliverable is about, but we felt it may be indeed worthwhile to also discuss potential RTP issues somewhere in STRAW, e.g., by describing the different things a B2BUA may/should (not) be doing as a media terminator. Is this something you also see a need for, and if so, would this require an additional deliverable or could it be part of existing ones? Any feedback will be more than welcome! Lorenzo _______________________________________________ straw mailing list straw@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4E5CD6ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <6B45B469F9FDFC46B485FA96A72EC82A@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

(As co-chair)

 

Hi Lorenzo,

 

Thanks for submitting the draft!

 

We'd ask interested people to take a look at the draft, and provide init= ial comments and questions.

 

Regards,

 

Christer

 

From: straw-bounces@ietf.org [straw-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf = of Lorenzo Miniero [lorenzo@meetecho.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:43 AM
To: straw@ietf.org
Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo; Victor Pascual
Subject: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable

Dear all,

we just published a draft aimed at addressing the RTCP requirements
deliverable in the charter:

        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miniero-straw-b2bua-rtcp-00

The motivation for the draft also comes from implementation efforts we
devoted in that sense, working on WebRTC gateways in particular. The
idea is, considering these efforts, to also address the SRTP and STUN
deliverables, but we decided to start writing something down on RTCP
first and then maybe work on the others later on.

As most -00 it's still pretty rough, but most of the "juice" shou= ld be
already there. We tried to follow the organization the taxonomy draft
presents about B2BUAs handling media: of all of them, the media
termination section is still quite sketchy, but the others already
present some more meaningful content.

While working on the draft, Sergio also raised some valid points about
whether or not we should also address RTP management in B2BUAs,
especially when a B2BUA is terminating media. We decided, at least for
now, to just address those aspects of RTP that have an impact on RTCP,
since that's what the deliverable is about, but we felt it may be indeed worthwhile to also discuss potential RTP issues somewhere in STRAW,
e.g., by describing the different things a B2BUA may/should (not) be
doing as a media terminator. Is this something you also see a need for,
and if so, would this require an additional deliverable or could it be
part of existing ones?

Any feedback will be more than welcome!
Lorenzo
_______________________________________________
straw mailing list
straw@ietf.org
h= ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw
--_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4E5CD6ESESSMB209erics_-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Oct 21 13:47:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABE711E8438; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zfa2MLaxi4Jm; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE50411E824C; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:47:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.80.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131021204717.32521.56674.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:47:17 -0700 Cc: straw@ietf.org Subject: [straw] I-D Action: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-03.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:47:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications t= o Work Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Taxonomy of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-= Back User Agents Author(s) : Hadriel Kaplan Victor Pascual Filename : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-03.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2013-10-17 Abstract: In many SIP deployments, SIP entities exist in the SIP signaling path between the originating and final terminating endpoints, which go beyond the definition of a SIP Proxy, performing functions not defined in standards-track RFCs. The only term for such devices provided in [RFC3261] is for a Back-to-Back User Agent (B2BUA), which is defined as the logical concatenation of a SIP User Agent Server (UAS) and User Agent Client (UAC). There are numerous types of SIP Back-to-Back User Agents, performing different roles in different ways. For Example IP-PBXs, Session Border Controllers (SBC) [RFC5853] and Application Servers (AS). This document identifies several common Back-to-Back User Agent roles, in order to provide taxonomy other documents can use and reference. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Oct 21 15:18:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C3111E877A; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:18:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.57 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.57 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r8uiZ0JPRTLf; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5F011E859F; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:18:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.80.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131021221808.32455.76504.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:18:08 -0700 Cc: straw@ietf.org Subject: [straw] I-D Action: draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:18:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications t= o Work Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Media-based Traceroute Function for the Session Initia= tion Protocol (SIP) Author(s) : Hadriel Kaplan Filename : draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2013-10-21 Abstract: SIP already provides the ability to perform hop-by-hop traceroute for SIP messages using the Max-Forwards header field, in order to determine the reachability path of requests to a target. A mechanism for media-loopback calls has also been defined separately, which enables test calls to be generated which result in media being looped back to the originator. This document describes a means of performing hop-by-hop traceroute-style test calls using the media- loopback mechanism, in order to test the media path when SIP sessions go through media-relaying B2BUAs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Tue Oct 22 04:57:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F19121F9E44 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 04:57:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.827 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.827 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.229, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wJnBQt-Z9aVl for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 04:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg20.ericsson.net (sesbmg20.ericsson.net [193.180.251.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F1711E8189 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 04:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb38-b7fcf8e0000062b8-64-5266682f521c Received: from ESESSHC008.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sesbmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 9E.CE.25272.F2866625; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:57:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.201]) by ESESSHC008.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.42]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:57:35 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Lorenzo Miniero , "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable Thread-Index: AQHOzWglM/ARTlBbUkKaSFoNvdfKvpn/IUQAgAF+sgA= Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:57:34 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EA1BA@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <20131020094346.5b6a9a02@lminiero> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4E5CD6@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4E5CD6@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.20] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EA1BAESESSMB209erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvja5+RlqQwdGXxhbbtyxgsnj6bzuz xa3mx6wWO9cdZnVg8dg56y67x5IlP5k8Oh7eZ/c40fuCKYAlissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugStj7+td LAW7MivW/f/J2MB4MLaLkZNDQsBE4v2fNYwQtpjEhXvr2boYuTiEBI4ySmw9dBjKWcIosWbT Y+YuRg4ONgELie5/2iANIgK+El/eHmUBsZkFMiW+n5rNBmILC1hL3Ng3hRGixkbiwf6NTBC2 lcTH2fPA4iwCqhJvb31gBRnJCzTn+dZokLCQQJHEmlNvGEHCnAJ+Er/2+YCEGYFO+35qDRPE JnGJW0/mM0GcLCCxZM95ZghbVOLl43+sELaixNXpy6Hq8yU2H+kCs3kFBCVOznzCMoFRdBaS UbOQlM1CUgYR15FYsPsTG4StLbFs4WtmGPvMgcdMyOILGNlXMXIUpxYn5aYbGWxiBEbewS2/ LXYwXv5rc4hRmoNFSZz341vnICGB9MSS1OzU1ILUovii0pzU4kOMTBycUg2Mqu2+AS7bBb98 ufTnxMkqtYlVB3bMEar4p8BtsVti9e857LGa795N+bT6H29G5p/9RgXNKebOi2NVzl3x1FNk 9P4eHCJ67MCZ2k9VIlHiXZvaM39wz/7p+aIsr81NdIfZ09ZzUiHzmCJORF5N8iqsm7ni4MYj dR6Za2/8N5E3ExZ0sDvXsKpAiaU4I9FQi7moOBEAI6SzEYoCAAA= Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo , Victor Pascual Subject: Re: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:57:50 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EA1BAESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (As co-chair) Hi, In addition, the chairs would like to know whether someone else in the comm= unity is planning to submit a draft addressing the delivery, and when we ca= n expect to such draft to be submitted. Regards, Christer From: straw-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:straw-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of C= hrister Holmberg Sent: 21. lokakuuta 2013 18:04 To: Lorenzo Miniero; straw@ietf.org Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo; Victor Pascual Subject: Re: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable (As co-chair) Hi Lorenzo, Thanks for submitting the draft! We'd ask interested people to take a look at the draft, and provide initial= comments and questions. Regards, Christer ________________________________ From: straw-bounces@ietf.org [straw-bounces@= ietf.org] on behalf of Lorenzo Miniero [lorenzo@meetecho.com] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:43 AM To: straw@ietf.org Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo; Victor Pascual Subject: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable Dear all, we just published a draft aimed at addressing the RTCP requirements deliverable in the charter: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miniero-straw-b2bua-rtcp-00 The motivation for the draft also comes from implementation efforts we devoted in that sense, working on WebRTC gateways in particular. The idea is, considering these efforts, to also address the SRTP and STUN deliverables, but we decided to start writing something down on RTCP first and then maybe work on the others later on. As most -00 it's still pretty rough, but most of the "juice" should be already there. We tried to follow the organization the taxonomy draft presents about B2BUAs handling media: of all of them, the media termination section is still quite sketchy, but the others already present some more meaningful content. While working on the draft, Sergio also raised some valid points about whether or not we should also address RTP management in B2BUAs, especially when a B2BUA is terminating media. We decided, at least for now, to just address those aspects of RTP that have an impact on RTCP, since that's what the deliverable is about, but we felt it may be indeed worthwhile to also discuss potential RTP issues somewhere in STRAW, e.g., by describing the different things a B2BUA may/should (not) be doing as a media terminator. Is this something you also see a need for, and if so, would this require an additional deliverable or could it be part of existing ones? Any feedback will be more than welcome! Lorenzo _______________________________________________ straw mailing list straw@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EA1BAESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

(As co-chair)<= /span>

 <= /p>

Hi,

 <= /p>

In addition, the chairs w= ould like to know whether someone else in the community is planning to subm= it a draft addressing the delivery, and when we can expect to such draft to be submitted.

 <= /p>

Regards,

 <= /p>

Christer

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

From: straw-bo= unces@ietf.org [mailto:straw-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg
Sent: 21. lokakuuta 2013 18:04
To: Lorenzo Miniero; straw@ietf.org
Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo; Victor Pascual
Subject: Re: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable

 

(As co-chair)

 

Hi Lorenzo,

 

Thanks for submitting the draft!

 

We'd ask interested people to take a look at the= draft, and provide initial comments and questions.

 

Regards,

 

Christer

 

From: straw-bounces@ietf.org [straw= -bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Lorenzo Miniero [lorenzo@meetecho.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:43 AM
To: straw@ietf.org
Cc: Sergio Garcia Murillo; Victor Pascual
Subject: [straw] Draft on RTCP requirements deliverable

Dear all,

we just published a draft aimed at addressing the RTCP requirements
deliverable in the charter:

        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miniero-straw-b2bua-rtcp-00

The motivation for the draft also comes from implementation efforts we
devoted in that sense, working on WebRTC gateways in particular. The
idea is, considering these efforts, to also address the SRTP and STUN
deliverables, but we decided to start writing something down on RTCP
first and then maybe work on the others later on.

As most -00 it's still pretty rough, but most of the "juice" shou= ld be
already there. We tried to follow the organization the taxonomy draft
presents about B2BUAs handling media: of all of them, the media
termination section is still quite sketchy, but the others already
present some more meaningful content.

While working on the draft, Sergio also raised some valid points about
whether or not we should also address RTP management in B2BUAs,
especially when a B2BUA is terminating media. We decided, at least for
now, to just address those aspects of RTP that have an impact on RTCP,
since that's what the deliverable is about, but we felt it may be indeed worthwhile to also discuss potential RTP issues somewhere in STRAW,
e.g., by describing the different things a B2BUA may/should (not) be
doing as a media terminator. Is this something you also see a need for,
and if so, would this require an additional deliverable or could it be
part of existing ones?

Any feedback will be more than welcome!
Lorenzo
_______________________________________________
straw mailing list
straw@ietf.org
h= ttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw

--_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EA1BAESESSMB209erics_-- From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Thu Oct 24 02:09:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E52611E82FB for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 02:09:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.613 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.635, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1+omLZr0xf6k for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 02:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4859A11E82FD for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 02:09:06 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7eff8e000000eda-12-5268e39c3657 Received: from ESESSHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 74.DF.03802.C93E8625; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:08:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.201]) by ESESSHC004.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.30]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:08:43 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Coming up: WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01.txt Thread-Index: Ac7Ql9lsXIGPKV3vSZGNtH6sR7TahQ== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 09:08:42 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EF8F7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.20] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EF8F7ESESSMB209erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvje6cxxlBBi8bBS0+PnjNaHGr+TGr A5PHkiU/mTy+XP7MFsAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJWx5lJYwUKdip2/3rI0MP5T7WLk5JAQMJGY +/gCK4QtJnHh3nq2LkYuDiGBw4wSLz6vZIZwljBKNFy4ztTFyMHBJmAh0f1PG6RBREBVYsKX m4wgNrNAvsSGlw/YQEqEBZwl5r6XgCjxkOho/8gOYetJTD3bBVbOAtTaMf89M4jNK+Arce/O UxYQmxHohu+n1jBBjBSXuPVkPhPEbQISS/acZ4awRSVePv4HdbOixNXpy5lgTjh78ywrxExB iZMzn7BMYBSehWTULCRls5CUQcR1JBbs/sQGYWtLLFv4mhnGPnPgMROy+AJG9lWM7LmJmTnp 5UabGIHxcXDLb9UdjHfOiRxilOZgURLn/fDWOUhIID2xJDU7NbUgtSi+qDQntfgQIxMHp1QD Y/eb+m3mF2vSeDjvspz7rqbJ2azOUXk7T2v/U2azmZtFF15v/x9nzHbn6LemEy9PZPLxfTW5 MvHr9ZKtW7mWnmq1+XZ0Ipvi8heJj9bcli5i9476Niv8cejzW4mvP1rPtRSWyzmfcmHVo483 Pu9Z92XZgQfaK1sTL2SUnPrMMD9K9e1hxR8C0kxKLMUZiYZazEXFiQC4G1JaXQIAAA== Cc: "draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute.all@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [straw] Coming up: WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 09:09:23 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EF8F7ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (As co-chair) Hi, As you may have seen, a new version (-01) of the trace-route draft was subm= itted a few days ago. One major change was that the draft no longer uses a = new response code (202), based on the list discussions. The chairs believe that the draft is now ready for WGLC, and unless people = have issues with that we intend to start the WGLC *after* the upcoming IETF= meeting in Vancouver. As always, we would like to ask for volunteers, committing to performing a = WGLC review. Please contact the chairs if you would like to volunteer. But, anyone is of course welcome to comment at any time - no need to wait u= ntil the WGLC has "officially" started :) Please note that the IANA considering sections still says the following: "This document makes no request of IANA yet - if a new parameter or field needs to be inserted when answering the INVITE, then = it will be registered in IANA." The text is a left-over from when we were still considering a new 202 respo= nse code etc. It will be corrected in the next version of the draft, as the= re now is no request of IANA. Thanks! Regards, Christer & Victor --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EF8F7ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

(As co-chair)

 

Hi,

 

As you may have seen, a new version (-01) of the tra= ce-route draft was submitted a few days ago. One major change was that the = draft no longer uses a new response code (202), based on the list discussio= ns.

 

The chairs believe that the draft is now ready for W= GLC, and unless people have issues with that we intend to start the WGLC *<= b>after* the upcoming IETF meeting in Vancouver.

 

As always, we would like to ask for volunteers, comm= itting to performing a WGLC review. Please contact the chairs if you would = like to volunteer.

 

But, anyone is of course welcome to comment at any t= ime – no need to wait until the WGLC has “officially” sta= rted :)

 

Please note that the IANA considering sections still= says the following:

 

“This document ma= kes no request of IANA yet - if a new parameter or

        &nbs= p;       field needs to be inserted when answ= ering the INVITE, then it will

        &nbs= p;       be registered in IANA.”

 

The text is a left-over from when we were still cons= idering a new 202 response code etc. It will be corrected in the next versi= on of the draft, as there now is no request of IANA.

 

Thanks!

 

Regards,

 

Christer & Victor

--_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EF8F7ESESSMB209erics_-- From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Fri Oct 25 12:07:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F04721F9E00 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:07:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.647, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ghsiRcVj4DYn for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CC311E81B6 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7f738e000003ee3-dd-526ac12c88e1 Received: from ESESSHC017.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 36.E7.16099.C21CA625; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 21:06:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.201]) by ESESSHC017.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.69]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 21:06:20 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: b2bua-taxonomy: proposal to change "media-plane" to "signaling/media-plane" Thread-Index: Ac7RtUrtEXT+buSLS8KKE2IAm4EpNw== Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:06:19 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4F7129@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.146] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4F7129ESESSMB209erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvja7OwawggyudxhZ7t89jtLjV/JjV gcljyZKfTB5fLn9mC2CK4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4MqYv/UpS8Eb0YoFLx6wNDCuFOpi5OCQEDCR 2L2Jr4uRE8gUk7hwbz1bFyMXh5DAYUaJ4w+fMkI4Sxgl5i7YzgLSwCZgIdH9TxukQURAVWLC l5uMIDazgKnEyb1f2EFsYYEwie6fZ1ghaqIlTh75yARh60nsenycFaJeS2LHhH1gvSxAc/Ze WMkCYvMK+Eqs+bABrIYR6KDvp9YwQdSLS9x6Mp8J4lABiSV7zjND2KISLx//Y4WwlSR+bLjE AlGfL/Gs4zETxExBiZMzn7BMYBSZhWT1LCRjZyFpmYWkBSKuJ3Fj6hQ2CFtbYtnC18wQtq7E jH+HoGqsJY5P/8SKrGYBI+cqRvbcxMyc9HLDTYzASDu45bfuDsZT50QOMUpzsCiJ83546xwk JJCeWJKanZpakFoUX1Sak1p8iJGJg1OqgdHwY/KnJo/iKE2GvabH5dZvsDVeE/97VsXDfb9r g0WrVSf8N/taH7qydOH5M1y8L24VChh/4T4U1qeneOGTxNyI1OWH51d+XHu4PiFQtaRz18ug 7YGvbHPXPXr3J+nndw1Zx8L8v+EhB9jnrvY/9uPxsmuc21/sW6B4Tc8miSM/6fyTuF0p9uVK LMUZiYZazEXFiQDwOhAjggIAAA== Cc: "rai-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [straw] b2bua-taxonomy: proposal to change "media-plane" to "signaling/media-plane" X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:07:12 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4F7129ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (As co-chair) Hi, As you may have seen, Albrecht has raised concern regarding the "media-plan= e B2BUA" terminology in the b2bua-taxonomy document (it is also used in oth= er STRAW documents). His issue has been that "media-plane" refers to actions taking place on the= media-plane, while the b2bua-taxonomy document defines "media-plane B2BUA"= as an entity that performs actions both on the signaling plane and the med= ia plane. An easy way to address that would be to simply rename "media-plane B2BUA" t= o "signaling/media-plane B2BUA", or something similar. It would be a simple task to do (there should only 2-3 instances in the dra= ft), and would not require us to move the b2bua-taxonomy document back to t= he WG (it is currently ongoing IESG review). Would anyone object to such change? Regards, Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4F7129ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <50BF50CDD0BB6748BAC5A418482433E0@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

(As co-chair)

 

Hi,

 

As you may have seen, Albrecht has raised concern regarding the "me= dia-plane B2BUA" terminology in the b2bua-taxonomy document (it is als= o used in other STRAW documents).

 

His issue has been that "media-plane" refers to actions taking= place on the media-plane, while the b2bua-taxonomy document defines "= media-plane B2BUA" as an entity that performs actions both on the sign= aling plane and the media plane.

 

An easy way to address that would be to simply rename "media-plane = B2BUA" to "signaling/media-plane B2BUA", or something simila= r.

 

It would be a simple task to do (there should only 2-3 in= stances in the draft), and would not require us to move the b2bua-taxo= nomy document back to the WG (it is currently ongoing IESG review).

 

Would anyone object to such change?

 

Regards,

 

Christer

--_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4F7129ESESSMB209erics_-- From pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu Sat Oct 26 14:37:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A67E11E8145 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.188, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QTneEUX0mDgJ for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe14:44:76:96:59:228]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E81F11E8108 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 14:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hx691m00427AodY5Fxd05d; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:37:00 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([50.138.229.164]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hxd01m00J3ZTu2S3fxd0qn; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:37:00 +0000 Message-ID: <526C35FC.2050501@alum.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:37:00 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: straw@ietf.org References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EF8F7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EF8F7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1382823420; bh=NA+zQ2ZBvxU0bzSs0HJcn49KK8ztFg90DUzmdM2OwBw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=ChC0syd1hoOdo+ipFrshFIEeXLkp5BcRfeHrAaGiiG/DNV5QIVSp7XP8IzvUr6wF+ kkqomVtl7kDCIx5ZrcZM1v+sLSimkt8jOgKBMBWKo/onwhHwfhF+dM7P2A+Oe3aOak giOuw6rMLOkCsqgeg6/R4ODJ1jyDKoo6B2rCrxNgsh8F/Hcu/gcnLXxp2JlWgcHVxg 9cqF4UzXRS7Oddb0dxcCf0MJz1PYVGnvWgvEFxIlpb4mUnbKKJHZwOr7e3jYiTHlcz qtU9wxtkV9TGXYzlpfT7xBgELexan/r/cTg39TiXerbkYmeaj5l1e90rKGjyzIGbx+ PmBPnyQu1NL/w== Subject: Re: [straw] Coming up: WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:37:09 -0000 You may consider these to be WGLC comments on this draft: (I'm sorry not to be providing precise text changes for these comments. But I think they require some substantial rewriting, not just surgical edits.) Section 3 and is sub-sections have some problems that derive from its evolution. Originally a new header, B2bua-Hops was used. We have since decided to use Max-Forwards instead. There is still a reference to B2bua-Hops in this section. Also, while instructions for the receiving B2BUA are given, the instructions for the UAC are skimpy. I think something should say that it should first send the request with Max-Forwards:0, and then increment it one by one until it gets an error unrelated to the Max-Forwards, or a success that doesn't have the special reason code. And during that process it may get 483 responses (from proxies or B2BUAs that don't support this mechanism) and must ignore those. Section 3.2 is confusing to be in the way it conflates B2BUA and UAS. ISTM this section should distinguish between a device that judges itself to be the intended destination of the request, and one that judges itself to be a B2BUA intermediary. If it is the intended destination, then it acts normally, without regard to Max-Forwards. If it judges itself to be an intermediary, then it checks Max-Forwards. If its zero then either it answers 483, or else it responds 200 with the special Reason and sets up the loopback. Also in 3.2, note that: When the final UAS answers a loopback-based INVITE with a Max- Forwards greater than 0, the Reason header would not be added to the response and the UAC will know the traceroute is complete. is off by one. It should say "greater than or equal to 0". But addressing my other comments will probably cause it to be rewritten anyway. Since we decided not to do the 205 response, the Reason header becomes key. I'm a little uncomfortable with specifying that we use reason 483 with a *specific* reason-text value. I think we either say the 483 reason means this regardless of the reason-text, or else register a new reason code for this. (But registering a new reason code seems like overkill.) Thanks, Paul On 10/24/13 5:08 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: > (As co-chair) > > Hi, > > As you may have seen, a new version (-01) of the trace-route draft was > submitted a few days ago. One major change was that the draft no longer > uses a new response code (202), based on the list discussions. > > The chairs believe that the draft is now ready for WGLC, and unless > people have issues with that we intend to start the WGLC **after** the > upcoming IETF meeting in Vancouver. > > As always, we would like to ask for volunteers, committing to performing > a WGLC review. Please contact the chairs if you would like to volunteer. > > But, anyone is of course welcome to comment at any time – no need to > wait until the WGLC has “officially” started :) > > Please note that the IANA considering sections still says the following: > > “This document makes no request of IANA yet - if a new parameter or > > field needs to be inserted when answering the INVITE, > then it will > > be registered in IANA.” > > The text is a left-over from when we were still considering a new 202 > response code etc. It will be corrected in the next version of the > draft, as there now is no request of IANA. > > Thanks! > > Regards, > > Christer & Victor > > > > _______________________________________________ > straw mailing list > straw@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw > From christer.holmberg@ericsson.com Sun Oct 27 02:44:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D996C11E8147 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 02:44:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.742 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.742 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.143, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 72oQHFDXBcDx for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 02:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg20.ericsson.net (sesbmg20.ericsson.net [193.180.251.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C1111E8149 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 02:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb38-b7f178e00000233b-13-526ce06d3261 Received: from ESESSHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sesbmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 2D.57.09019.D60EC625; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:44:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.201]) by ESESSHC004.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.30]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:44:13 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: Paul Kyzivat , "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [straw] Coming up: WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHO0pOHS6jZVGVRmkGJ75G66e+GiJoITQeX Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:44:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EF8F7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se>, <526C35FC.2050501@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <526C35FC.2050501@alum.mit.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvjW7ug5wgg+13NC1WbDjAanGr+TGr A5PH3/cfmDyWLPnJFMAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJWxccU59oLF8hXtF/ewNjCel+hi5OSQEDCR mPPwPRuELSZx4d56IJuLQ0jgCKPE51+vWSGcJYwSBxYtY+pi5OBgE7CQ6P6nDWKKCHhLPHyR D9IrLBAo8X/OKhYQW0QgSOLGvgWsELaRRNum9cwgNouAqsS8K0/BbF4BN4lVbfMYQWwhgVyJ ZUdWMIHYnAI6Ei/aXrGD2IxA93w/tQYsziwgLnHryXwmiDsFJJbsOc8MYYtKvHz8jxWixkDi /bn5zBC2tsSyha+hdglKnJz5hGUCo8gsJKNmIWmZhaRlFpKWBYwsqxg5ilOLk3LTjQw2MQJD /uCW3xY7GC//tTnEKM3BoiTO+/Gtc5CQQHpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlOavEhRiYOTqkGxvvrT9Q8 8JrfUem95r17+5f3jbYFu+047zmc5XtlNf2q4oHw1nQLu/gA+7xgu09vtxfG5Ow39fwz993T E5dZuKfNmbiw4sYmJQ/Xy/onnmlei9+ygrP+rpQiL4/76mvLRZ/XL3heG2/M8myRv8uz438e 1azRs2b84Gpd/vTniYmixUIFVW+c0pRYijMSDbWYi4oTAYrxkeRHAgAA Subject: Re: [straw] Coming up: WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:44:25 -0000 Hi Paul, Thank You very much for your comments! Regards, Christer Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc S Paul Kyzivat wrote: You may consider these to be WGLC comments on this draft: (I'm sorry not to be providing precise text changes for these comments. But I think they require some substantial rewriting, not just surgical edits.) Section 3 and is sub-sections have some problems that derive from its evolution. Originally a new header, B2bua-Hops was used. We have since decided to use Max-Forwards instead. There is still a reference to B2bua-Hops in this section. Also, while instructions for the receiving B2BUA are given, the instructions for the UAC are skimpy. I think something should say that it should first send the request with Max-Forwards:0, and then increment it one by one until it gets an error unrelated to the Max-Forwards, or a success that doesn't have the special reason code. And during that process it may get 483 responses (from proxies or B2BUAs that don't support this mechanism) and must ignore those. Section 3.2 is confusing to be in the way it conflates B2BUA and UAS. ISTM this section should distinguish between a device that judges itself to be the intended destination of the request, and one that judges itself to be a B2BUA intermediary. If it is the intended destination, then it acts normally, without regard to Max-Forwards. If it judges itself to be an intermediary, then it checks Max-Forwards. If its zero then either it answers 483, or else it responds 200 with the special Reason and sets up the loopback. Also in 3.2, note that: When the final UAS answers a loopback-based INVITE with a Max- Forwards greater than 0, the Reason header would not be added to the response and the UAC will know the traceroute is complete. is off by one. It should say "greater than or equal to 0". But addressing my other comments will probably cause it to be rewritten anyway. Since we decided not to do the 205 response, the Reason header becomes key. I'm a little uncomfortable with specifying that we use reason 483 with a *specific* reason-text value. I think we either say the 483 reason means this regardless of the reason-text, or else register a new reason code for this. (But registering a new reason code seems like overkill.) Thanks, Paul On 10/24/13 5:08 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: > (As co-chair) > > Hi, > > As you may have seen, a new version (-01) of the trace-route draft was > submitted a few days ago. One major change was that the draft no longer > uses a new response code (202), based on the list discussions. > > The chairs believe that the draft is now ready for WGLC, and unless > people have issues with that we intend to start the WGLC **after** the > upcoming IETF meeting in Vancouver. > > As always, we would like to ask for volunteers, committing to performing > a WGLC review. Please contact the chairs if you would like to volunteer. > > But, anyone is of course welcome to comment at any time =96 no need to > wait until the WGLC has =93officially=94 started :) > > Please note that the IANA considering sections still says the following: > > =93This document makes no request of IANA yet - if a new parameter or > > field needs to be inserted when answering the INVITE, > then it will > > be registered in IANA.=94 > > The text is a left-over from when we were still considering a new 202 > response code etc. It will be corrected in the next version of the > draft, as there now is no request of IANA. > > Thanks! > > Regards, > > Christer & Victor > > > > _______________________________________________ > straw mailing list > straw@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw > _______________________________________________ straw mailing list straw@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw From victor.pascual.avila@gmail.com Mon Oct 28 00:42:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9825911E821E for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 00:42:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.699, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XKffOuC-1eZJ for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 00:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-x232.google.com (mail-bk0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C1911E8224 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 00:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id v4so1094194bkz.37 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 00:42:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:references:from :mime-version:in-reply-to:message-id:date:cc:to; bh=lJIJ/N/sNTl8BNRsWCJ2DD1OAv33XcPKtEou2q4UtnE=; b=RumvmAjTkMNkXozLn0z8ydaTm7SlO6iA976F95u4JnnIDfv+cDCHu/CKzmhW4uV0oZ sesvgpC3RdJbOzHtp2QAKOiKZFDjDi3Mr8TbB4NmQzzZrKjD5IgsYggTD+SSlo0BcWtX VVRT82LcbJDsCoAwXPV9MpjLrmEoxfgeaywTrhwkzSnHT422w5oztuKF5Lnhsg2MLBPd VeBxgjawVzujU7MgDcOMd/XyX/g6hLFiJGN0xlTP/8ma0Eztyig+GQx5Qt/V7Rrm50wV yx7vJQwJRNCGNHJHhgIMKgXDmeTIWsMJs+CgNsaEBOgKPEusLkEuQyi8v5HJ4scDg7qX hc7A== X-Received: by 10.204.226.71 with SMTP id iv7mr518479bkb.32.1382946158565; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 00:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.53.208.149] ([88.128.80.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b7sm11236708bkg.1.2013.10.28.00.42.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Oct 2013 00:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-DBC85B95-C4EA-4501-8131-3ABBF66A4DB5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4F7129@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> From: Victor Pascual Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4F7129@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Message-Id: <2571E680-7047-4DFB-8779-1D6F29703A3B@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 07:24:10 +0100 To: Christer Holmberg X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) Cc: hadriel.kaplan@oracle.com, "rai-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "straw@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [straw] b2bua-taxonomy: proposal to change "media-plane" to "signaling/media-plane" X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 07:42:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail-DBC85B95-C4EA-4501-8131-3ABBF66A4DB5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (As individual) I'm fine with the current text, but would have no objection if the WG decide= d to include the suggestion below. Thanks, -Victor On Oct 25, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote: > (As co-chair) > =20 > Hi, > =20 > As you may have seen, Albrecht has raised concern regarding the "media-pla= ne B2BUA" terminology in the b2bua-taxonomy document (it is also used in oth= er STRAW documents). > =20 > His issue has been that "media-plane" refers to actions taking place on th= e media-plane, while the b2bua-taxonomy document defines "media-plane B2BUA"= as an entity that performs actions both on the signaling plane and the medi= a plane. > =20 > An easy way to address that would be to simply rename "media-plane B2BUA" t= o "signaling/media-plane B2BUA", or something similar. > =20 > It would be a simple task to do (there should only 2-3 instances in the dr= aft), and would not require us to move the b2bua-taxonomy document back to t= he WG (it is currently ongoing IESG review). > =20 > Would anyone object to such change? > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Christer > _______________________________________________ > straw mailing list > straw@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/straw --Apple-Mail-DBC85B95-C4EA-4501-8131-3ABBF66A4DB5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
(As individual)

I'm fine with the current text, but would have no objection if the WG decided to include the suggestion below.

Thanks,
-Victor

On Oct 25, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:

(As co-chair)

 

Hi,

 

As you may have seen, Albrecht has raised concern regarding the "media-plane B2BUA" terminology in the b2bua-taxonomy document (it is also used in other STRAW documents).

 

His issue has been that "media-plane" refers to actions taking place on the media-plane, while the b2bua-taxonomy document defines "media-plane B2BUA" as an entity that performs actions both on the signaling plane and the media plane.

 

An easy way to address that would be to simply rename "media-plane B2BUA" to "signaling/media-plane B2BUA", or something similar.

 

It would be a simple task to do (there should only 2-3 instances in the draft), and would not require us to move the b2bua-taxonomy document back to the WG (it is currently ongoing IESG review).

 

Would anyone object to such change?

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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(smtpout01.partnerhosted.com [173.225.22.203]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DAC21E8095 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CASUMHUB03.citservers.local (172.16.98.219) by smtpedge.partnerhosted.com (172.16.98.247) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.247.3; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:30:09 -0700 Received: from MBX08.citservers.local ([fe80::2564:652:8dc8:caae]) by CASUMHUB03.citservers.local ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:30:09 -0700 From: Brett Tate To: Paul Kyzivat , "straw@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [straw] Coming up: WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHO0pO3e4FCKLAkOEGVs8OG06MlCpoKZ8fA Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:30:08 +0000 Message-ID: <576A8B541C219D4E9CEB1DF8C19C7B881A06686D@MBX08.citservers.local> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C4EF8F7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <526C35FC.2050501@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <526C35FC.2050501@alum.mit.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.16.98.77] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [straw] Coming up: WGLC for draft-ietf-straw-sip-traceroute-01.txt X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:29:03 -0000 > Section 3 and is sub-sections have some problems=20 > that derive from its evolution. Originally a new=20 > header, B2bua-Hops was used. We have since decided=20 > to use Max-Forwards instead. There is still a=20 > reference to B2bua-Hops in this section. Yes; I provided the same comment off list on 6/19. > Since we decided not to do the 205 response, the=20 > Reason header becomes key. I'm a little uncomfortable=20 > with specifying that we use reason 483 with a=20 > *specific* reason-text value. I think we either=20 > say the 483 reason means this regardless of the=20 > reason-text, or else register a new reason code=20 > for this. (But registering a new reason code seems=20 > like overkill.) I agree that requiring the specific reason-text value might not desirable. = This is because I view the text parameter to be similar to the status-line= 's reason-phrase. If something is needed instead of just 483 for automatio= n reasons, the reason-params potentially could be expanded to include a new= parameter such as "traceroute". The following is an RFC 3261 section 7.2 snippet. "The Status-Code is a 3-digit integer result code that indicates the outcome of an attempt to understand and satisfy a request. The Reason-Phrase is intended to give a short textual description of the Status-Code. The Status-Code is intended for use by automata, whereas the Reason-Phrase is intended for the human user. A client is not required to examine or display the Reason-Phrase." 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aXY+DQo8L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+DQo8L2Rpdj4NCjwvZGl2Pg0KPC9ib2R5Pg0KPC9odG1sPg0K --_000_786615F3A85DF44AA2A76164A71FE1AC0D574EFR711WXCHMBA03zeu_-- From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Wed Oct 30 06:22:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: straw@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF7C21F9FE9; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:22:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.107, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jF32VkplrTJ9; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C706F21E811C; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.81 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131030132127.6987.82205.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:21:27 -0700 Cc: straw chair , straw mailing list , RFC Editor Subject: [straw] Document Action: 'A Taxonomy of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-03.txt) X-BeenThere: straw@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: "Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work \(STRAW\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:22:41 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A Taxonomy of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents' (draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy-03.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Gonzalo Camarillo and Richard Barnes. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-taxonomy/ Working Group Summary: The WG path of this document was reasonably short and efficient. Several technical comments were made during reviews and all were resolved with consensus. There is consensus in the STRAW WG to publish this document. Document Quality: The document identifies several common B2BUA roles in existing implementations developed by different vendors. It is expected that with the approval of this document other documents will use and reference the taxonomy described therein. Personnel: Who is the Document Shepherd? Christer Holmberg (christer.holmberg@ericsson.com -- STRAW WG co-chair) Who is the Responsible Area Director? Gonzalo Camarillo (Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com -- RAI AD)