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Hi,

In general I am not sure what is the scope of the b2bua described here. My
understanding is that this entity is only handling point to point
connections and as  such the relevant topologies from
draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-topologies-update-05 are the point to point ones
discussed in sections 3.1 and 3.2 and not the selective forwarding middlebox
from section 3.7 mentioned in section 3.2 of this document.

I also think that if this b2bua also handles multipoint cases than it does
not discuss it at all.

 

On the point to point case need to mention the case of SSRC multiplexing and
how it reflects in the case of aggregated RTCP reports from multiple SSRCs
form the same endpoint .

 

As for media terminator, if they do not buffer information than they MUST
maintain end to end relation, for example they cannot not send RRs on
packets that were not received by the remote site if they want to support
end to end NACKs. I think that for RTCP they will behave the same as media
aware relays which will make sense also for XR reports to report end to end
QoS. 

 

 

Some editorial issues:

 

1.       You should only reference
draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-topologies-update-05 and not RFC5117 which will be
obsolete by the new document.

2.       On CNAME maybe reference RFC6222 recommending its usage.

 

 

 

BTW: My view is that if the purpose of  this document is to specify behavior
of any media handling middle box for point to point or multipoint topologies
as described in draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-topologies-update-05 it should have
been discussed in AVTcore. 

Thanks

Roni Even

 

 

 


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class=3DMsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>In general I am =
not sure what is the scope of the b2bua described here. My understanding =
is that this entity is only handling point to point connections and =
as&nbsp; such the relevant topologies from <span =
style=3D'color:black'>draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-topologies-update-05 are =
the point to point ones discussed in sections 3.1 and 3.2 and not the =
selective forwarding middlebox from section 3.7 mentioned in section 3.2 =
of this document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>I also think that if this b2bua also handles =
multipoint cases than it does not discuss it at =
all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>On the point to point case =
need to mention the case of SSRC multiplexing and how it reflects in the =
case of aggregated RTCP reports from multiple SSRCs form the same =
endpoint .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>As for media terminator, =
if they do not buffer information than they MUST maintain end to end =
relation, for example they cannot not send RRs on packets that were not =
received by the remote site if they want to support end to end NACKs. I =
think that for RTCP they will behave the same as media aware relays =
which will make sense also for XR reports to report end to end QoS. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Some editorial =
issues:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
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style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'color:black'>You should only reference =
draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-topologies-update-05 and not RFC5117 which will =
be obsolete by the new document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:black'><span =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3DLTR></span><span =
style=3D'color:black'>On CNAME maybe reference RFC6222 recommending its =
usage.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'> BTW: My view is that if =
the purpose of &nbsp;this document is to specify behavior of any media =
handling middle box for point to point or multipoint topologies as =
described in draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-topologies-update-05 it should have =
been discussed in AVTcore. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Roni =
Even<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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(As co-chair)

Hi,

The chairs would like to suggest that draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02 is=
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"A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-SRTP (RFC =
5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS"

If you have any issues with adopting the draft, or if you intend to submit =
a draft of your own for the delivery, please indicate so on the list by Fri=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi all,

I just reviewed the latest version of this document. I'm personally
quite satisfied with its current stage, and only have a few comments
and nits on it.


Section 3.1 anticipates what is explained in better detail in the
following subsections. Anyway, credentials are not mentioned there,
e.g., when introducing passthrough mode. Although the management of all
ICE semantics, including credentials, is addressed in the related
subsection, I'd make this explicit in the intro as well, as it only
talks about forwarding candidates and may confuse the reader.

Typo in Section 4: s/dont/don't

I'd personally swap Sections 3 and 4, in order to first address
signalling-only B2BUAs and only then move to media-aware and
media-terminator: this would be more consistent with how the taxonomy
is referenced in the document, in Section 2.


Cheers,
Lorenzo



On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:04:51 +0000
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> This version addresses some of the WGLC comments received in the
> mailing list. Thanks for the reviews/feedback so far.
> 
> Please let us know if you have any more comments on this draft.
> 
> Authors
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [straw] I-D Action: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-02.txt
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> >
> >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> >directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for
> > Applications
> >to Work Working Group of the IETF.
> >
> >        Title           : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN)
> >Message Handling for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back
> >User Agents (B2BUAs)
> >        Authors         : Ram Mohan Ravindranath
> >                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
> >                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
> >	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-02.txt
> >	Pages           : 14
> >	Date            : 2015-02-09
> >
> >Abstract:
> >   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents
> > (B2BUAs) are often designed to be on the media path, rather than
> > just intercepting signaling.  This means that B2BUAs often act on
> > the media path leading to separate media legs that the B2BUA
> > correlates and bridges together.  When acting on the media path,
> > B2BUAs are likely to receive Session Traversal Utilities for NAT
> > (STUN) packets as part of Interactive Connectivity Establishment
> > (ICE) processing. It is critical that B2BUAs handle these STUN
> > messages properly.
> >
> >   This document defines behavior for a B2BUA performing ICE
> > processing. The goal of this draft is to ensure that ICE used for
> > NAT and Firewall traversal of multimedia sessions works when there
> > are B2BUAs in place and the B2BUAs handle STUN messages properly.
> >
> >
> >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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> >
> >There's also a htmlized version available at:
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I support WG adoption of this document.
(As co-author)

Thanks,
-Tiru

From: straw [mailto:straw-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:07 PM
To: straw@ietf.org
Subject: [straw] Suggestion for WG adoption: draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srt=
p-02

(As co-chair)

Hi,

The chairs would like to suggest that draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02 is=
 adopted as base for the following delivery:

"A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-SRTP (RFC =
5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS"

If you have any issues with adopting the draft, or if you intend to submit =
a draft of your own for the delivery, please indicate so on the list by Fri=
day 13th.

Regards,

Christer & Victor

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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Christer Holmberg<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The chairs would like to sugges=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&#8220;A document defining the =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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+1 as one of the authors I support adoption.

Ram

From: "Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)" <tireddy@cisco.com<mailto:tireddy@cisc=
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Date: Tuesday, 3 March 2015 11:42 am
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com<mailto:christer.holmb=
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I support WG adoption of this document.
(As co-author)

Thanks,
-Tiru

From: straw [mailto:straw-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer Holmberg
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p-02

(As co-chair)

Hi,

The chairs would like to suggest that draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02 is=
 adopted as base for the following delivery:

=93A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-SRTP (RF=
C 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS=94

If you have any issues with adopting the draft, or if you intend to submit =
a draft of your own for the delivery, please indicate so on the list by Fri=
day 13th.

Regards,

Christer & Victor

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Hi Lorenzo,

Thanks for your inputs. I will incorporate the below comments and also
swap section 3 and 4.

Ram

-----Original Message-----
From: Lorenzo Miniero <lorenzo@meetecho.com>
Organization: Meetecho
Date: Monday, 2 March 2015 4:45 pm
To: Cisco Employee <rmohanr@cisco.com>
Cc: "straw@ietf.org" <straw@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [straw] I-D Action: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-02.txt

>Hi all,
>
>I just reviewed the latest version of this document. I'm personally
>quite satisfied with its current stage, and only have a few comments
>and nits on it.
>
>
>Section 3.1 anticipates what is explained in better detail in the
>following subsections. Anyway, credentials are not mentioned there,
>e.g., when introducing passthrough mode. Although the management of all
>ICE semantics, including credentials, is addressed in the related
>subsection, I'd make this explicit in the intro as well, as it only
>talks about forwarding candidates and may confuse the reader.
>
>Typo in Section 4: s/dont/don't
>
>I'd personally swap Sections 3 and 4, in order to first address
>signalling-only B2BUAs and only then move to media-aware and
>media-terminator: this would be more consistent with how the taxonomy
>is referenced in the document, in Section 2.
>
>
>Cheers,
>Lorenzo
>
>
>
>On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:04:51 +0000
>"Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)" <rmohanr@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> This version addresses some of the WGLC comments received in the
>> mailing list. Thanks for the reviews/feedback so far.
>>=20
>> Please let us know if you have any more comments on this draft.
>>=20
>> Authors
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, 10 February 2015 10:33 am
>> To: "i-d-announce@ietf.org" <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
>> Cc: "straw@ietf.org" <straw@ietf.org>
>> Subject: [straw] I-D Action: draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-02.txt
>>=20
>> >
>> >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> >directories.
>> > This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for
>> > Applications
>> >to Work Working Group of the IETF.
>> >
>> >        Title           : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN)
>> >Message Handling for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back
>> >User Agents (B2BUAs)
>> >        Authors         : Ram Mohan Ravindranath
>> >                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
>> >                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
>> >	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-02.txt
>> >	Pages           : 14
>> >	Date            : 2015-02-09
>> >
>> >Abstract:
>> >   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents
>> > (B2BUAs) are often designed to be on the media path, rather than
>> > just intercepting signaling.  This means that B2BUAs often act on
>> > the media path leading to separate media legs that the B2BUA
>> > correlates and bridges together.  When acting on the media path,
>> > B2BUAs are likely to receive Session Traversal Utilities for NAT
>> > (STUN) packets as part of Interactive Connectivity Establishment
>> > (ICE) processing. It is critical that B2BUAs handle these STUN
>> > messages properly.
>> >
>> >   This document defines behavior for a B2BUA performing ICE
>> > processing. The goal of this draft is to ensure that ICE used for
>> > NAT and Firewall traversal of multimedia sessions works when there
>> > are B2BUAs in place and the B2BUAs handle STUN messages properly.
>> >
>> >
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I too support the adoption of this document.

Lorenzo



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> +1 as one of the authors I support adoption.
>=20
> Ram
>=20
> From: "Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)"
> <tireddy@cisco.com<mailto:tireddy@cisco.com>> Date: Tuesday, 3 March
> 2015 11:42 am To: Christer Holmberg
> <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com<mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>>,
> "straw@ietf.org<mailto:straw@ietf.org>"
> <straw@ietf.org<mailto:straw@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [straw]
> Suggestion for WG adoption: draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02
>=20
> I support WG adoption of this document.
> (As co-author)
>=20
> Thanks,
> -Tiru
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> From: straw [mailto:straw-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Christer
> Holmberg Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:07 PM
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> Subject: [straw] Suggestion for WG adoption:
> draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02
>=20
> (As co-chair)
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> The chairs would like to suggest that
> draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02 is adopted as base for the
> following delivery:
>=20
> =E2=80=9CA document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-=
SRTP
> (RFC 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS=E2=80=9D
>=20
> If you have any issues with adopting the draft, or if you intend to
> submit a draft of your own for the delivery, please indicate so on
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>=20
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>=20
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I reviewed this and the previous version of the draft, providing mostly edi=
torial comments privately to the authors at that time. I support its adopti=
on as a working group draft.

I have a couple minor comments on the current version that can be addressed=
 after adoption.

Sections  3.2.1 and 3.2.2 both start with =93This section describes media-a=
ware B2BUAs that =85=94, which leads me to expect multiple subsections deta=
iling everything I need to know about such a beast. The brevity of each sec=
tion is refreshing, but leaves me thinking there is a laundry list of addit=
ion items that needs to be added later. If this is the case, add an editors=
 note indicating that, else remove the misleading intro from each section.

E.g.
3.2.1. Header inspection

   A media-aware B2BUA that inspects but does not modify RTP headers does n=
ot terminate the DTLS-SRTP.

Section 3.2.1
s/B2BUAs that does not/B2BUAs that do not
Section 3.2.2
s/B2BUAs that modifies/B2BUAs that modify

Cheers,
Charles



From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com<mailto:christer.hol=
mberg@ericsson.com>>
Date: Monday, 2 March 2015 4:07 pm
To: "straw@ietf.org<mailto:straw@ietf.org>" <straw@ietf.org<mailto:straw@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: [straw] Suggestion for WG adoption: draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srt=
p-02

(As co-chair)

Hi,

The chairs would like to suggest that draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02 is=
 adopted as base for the following delivery:

=93A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-SRTP (RF=
C 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS=94

If you have any issues with adopting the draft, or if you intend to submit =
a draft of your own for the delivery, please indicate so on the list by Fri=
day 13th.

Regards,

Christer & Victor

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Message Handling for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
        Authors         : Ram Mohan Ravindranath
                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-03.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2015-03-04

Abstract:
   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
   are often designed to be on the media path, rather than just
   intercepting signaling.  This means that B2BUAs often act on the
   media path leading to separate media legs that the B2BUA correlates
   and bridges together.  When acting on the media path, B2BUAs are
   likely to receive Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) packets
   as part of Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) processing.
   It is critical that B2BUAs handle these STUN messages properly.

   This document defines behavior for a B2BUA performing ICE processing.
   The goal of this draft is to ensure that ICE used for NAT and
   Firewall traversal of multimedia sessions works when there are B2BUAs
   in place and the B2BUAs handle STUN messages properly.


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This version addresses the WGLC comments of Lorenzo. All WGLC comments
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>
>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications
>to Work Working Group of the IETF.
>
>        Title           : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN)
>Message Handling for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User
>Agents (B2BUAs)
>        Authors         : Ram Mohan Ravindranath
>                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
>                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
>	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-03.txt
>	Pages           : 14
>	Date            : 2015-03-04
>
>Abstract:
>   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
>   are often designed to be on the media path, rather than just
>   intercepting signaling.  This means that B2BUAs often act on the
>   media path leading to separate media legs that the B2BUA correlates
>   and bridges together.  When acting on the media path, B2BUAs are
>   likely to receive Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) packets
>   as part of Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) processing.
>   It is critical that B2BUAs handle these STUN messages properly.
>
>   This document defines behavior for a B2BUA performing ICE processing.
>   The goal of this draft is to ensure that ICE used for NAT and
>   Firewall traversal of multimedia sessions works when there are B2BUAs
>   in place and the B2BUAs handle STUN messages properly.
>
>
>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun/
>
>There's also a htmlized version available at:
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>
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(A co-chair)

Hi,

Thanks Ram!

Please note that the chairs requested WGLC comments to be sent by today. So=
, if anyone still have comments coming, now it's time to press that send bu=
tton :)

The chairs would also like to give a big Thank You to those providing WGLC =
comments. Please take a look to verify that your comments have been properl=
y addressed.

Thanks!

Regards,

Christer




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This version addresses the WGLC comments of Lorenzo. All WGLC comments have=
 now been addressed

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Ram

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>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20
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> This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for=20
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>
>        Title           : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN)
>Message Handling for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back=20
>User Agents (B2BUAs)
>        Authors         : Ram Mohan Ravindranath
>                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
>                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
>	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-03.txt
>	Pages           : 14
>	Date            : 2015-03-04
>
>Abstract:
>   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
>   are often designed to be on the media path, rather than just
>   intercepting signaling.  This means that B2BUAs often act on the
>   media path leading to separate media legs that the B2BUA correlates
>   and bridges together.  When acting on the media path, B2BUAs are
>   likely to receive Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) packets
>   as part of Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) processing.
>   It is critical that B2BUAs handle these STUN messages properly.
>
>   This document defines behavior for a B2BUA performing ICE processing.
>   The goal of this draft is to ensure that ICE used for NAT and
>   Firewall traversal of multimedia sessions works when there are B2BUAs
>   in place and the B2BUAs handle STUN messages properly.
>
>
>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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>There's also a htmlized version available at:
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Hi Charles,

Thanks for your feedback. Will incorporate the comments below.  For the fir=
st comment will remove the statement as we don=92t intend to add details. W=
e are just referring the B2BUA Taxonomy draft [RFC 7092] and considering th=
e scope of B2BUAs limited to what is defined in that

Ram

From: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu@cisco.com<mailto:eckelcu@cisco.com=
>>
Date: Tuesday, 3 March 2015 9:11 pm
To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com<mailto:christer.holmb=
erg@ericsson.com>>
Cc: "straw@ietf.org<mailto:straw@ietf.org>" <straw@ietf.org<mailto:straw@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: Re: [straw] Suggestion for WG adoption: draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls=
-srtp-02

I reviewed this and the previous version of the draft, providing mostly edi=
torial comments privately to the authors at that time. I support its adopti=
on as a working group draft.

I have a couple minor comments on the current version that can be addressed=
 after adoption.

Sections  3.2.1 and 3.2.2 both start with =93This section describes media-a=
ware B2BUAs that =85=94, which leads me to expect multiple subsections deta=
iling everything I need to know about such a beast. The brevity of each sec=
tion is refreshing, but leaves me thinking there is a laundry list of addit=
ion items that needs to be added later. If this is the case, add an editors=
 note indicating that, else remove the misleading intro from each section.

E.g.
3.2.1. Header inspection

   A media-aware B2BUA that inspects but does not modify RTP headers does n=
ot terminate the DTLS-SRTP.

Section 3.2.1
s/B2BUAs that does not/B2BUAs that do not
Section 3.2.2
s/B2BUAs that modifies/B2BUAs that modify

Cheers,
Charles



From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com<mailto:christer.hol=
mberg@ericsson.com>>
Date: Monday, 2 March 2015 4:07 pm
To: "straw@ietf.org<mailto:straw@ietf.org>" <straw@ietf.org<mailto:straw@ie=
tf.org>>
Subject: [straw] Suggestion for WG adoption: draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srt=
p-02

(As co-chair)

Hi,

The chairs would like to suggest that draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02 is=
 adopted as base for the following delivery:

=93A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-SRTP (RF=
C 5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS=94

If you have any issues with adopting the draft, or if you intend to submit =
a draft of your own for the delivery, please indicate so on the list by Fri=
day 13th.

Regards,

Christer & Victor

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<div>Hi Charles,</div>
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<div>Thanks for your feedback. Will incorporate the comments below. &nbsp;F=
or the first comment will remove the statement as we don=92t intend to add =
details. We are just referring the B2BUA Taxonomy draft [RFC 7092] and cons=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>&quot;Charles Eckel (eckelcu)=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eckelcu@cisco.com">eckelcu@cisco.com</a>&gt;<b=
r>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, 3 March 2015 9:11 pm=
<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Christer Holmberg &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:christer.holmberg@ericsson.com">christer.holmberg@ericsson.com</=
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I reviewed this and the previous version of the draft, providing mostly edi=
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on as a working group draft.&nbsp;</div>
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I have a couple minor comments on the current version that can be addressed=
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Sections &nbsp;3.2.1 and 3.2.2 both start with =93This section describes me=
dia-aware B2BUAs that =85=94, which leads me to expect multiple subsections=
 detailing everything I need to know about such a beast. The brevity of eac=
h section is refreshing, but leaves me thinking
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>
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Section 3.2.1</div>
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Cheers,</div>
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We just published a new revision addressing the comments from Charles
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>Name:		draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp
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>Title:		DTLS-SRTP Handling in Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
>Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
>Document date:	2015-03-08
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>   often function on the media plane, rather than just on the signaling
>   path.  This document describes the behavior B2BUAs should follow when
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Message Handling for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
        Authors         : Ram Mohan Ravindranath
                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-04.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2015-03-09

Abstract:
   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
   are often designed to be on the media path, rather than just
   intercepting signaling.  This means that B2BUAs often act on the
   media path leading to separate media legs that the B2BUA correlates
   and bridges together.  When acting on the media path, B2BUAs are
   likely to receive Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) packets
   as part of Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) processing.
   It is critical that B2BUAs handle these STUN messages properly.

   This document defines behavior for a B2BUA performing ICE processing.
   The goal of this draft is to ensure that ICE used for NAT and
   Firewall traversal of multimedia sessions works when there are B2BUAs
   in place and the B2BUAs handle STUN messages properly.


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Addresses some nits seen when running with IETF idnits tool. Thanks to
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>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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> This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications
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>
>        Title           : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN)
>Message Handling for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User
>Agents (B2BUAs)
>        Authors         : Ram Mohan Ravindranath
>                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
>                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
>	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-stun-04.txt
>	Pages           : 14
>	Date            : 2015-03-09
>
>Abstract:
>   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
>   are often designed to be on the media path, rather than just
>   intercepting signaling.  This means that B2BUAs often act on the
>   media path leading to separate media legs that the B2BUA correlates
>   and bridges together.  When acting on the media path, B2BUAs are
>   likely to receive Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) packets
>   as part of Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) processing.
>   It is critical that B2BUAs handle these STUN messages properly.
>
>   This document defines behavior for a B2BUA performing ICE processing.
>   The goal of this draft is to ensure that ICE used for NAT and
>   Firewall traversal of multimedia sessions works when there are B2BUAs
>   in place and the B2BUAs handle STUN messages properly.
>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Guidelines to support RTCP end-to-end in Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
        Authors         : Lorenzo Miniero
                          Sergio Garcia Murillo
                          Victor Pascual
	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-rtcp-04.txt
	Pages           : 16
	Date            : 2015-03-09

Abstract:
   SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) are often envisaged to also be
   on the media path, rather than just intercepting signalling.  This
   means that B2BUAs often implement an RTP/RTCP stack as well, whether
   to act as media transcoders or to just passthrough the media
   themselves, thus leading to separate multimedia sessions that the
   B2BUA correlates and bridges together.  If not disciplined, though,
   this behaviour can severely impact the communication experience,
   especially when statistics and feedback information contained in RTCP
   packets get lost because of mismatches in the reported data.

   This document defines the proper behaviour B2BUAs should follow when
   also acting on the signalling/media plane in order to preserve the
   end-to-end functionality of RTCP.


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Hi all,

this new version of the draft addresses the review Magnus made on the
RTCP document. Let us know if you have any other doubt or concern about
the current status.

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Name:		draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-rtcp
Revision:	04
Title:		Guidelines to support RTCP end-to-end in
Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) Document date:	2015-03-09
Group:		straw
Pages:		16
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http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-rtcp-04.txt
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Abstract:
   SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) are often envisaged to also be
   on the media path, rather than just intercepting signalling.  This
   means that B2BUAs often implement an RTP/RTCP stack as well, whether
   to act as media transcoders or to just passthrough the media
   themselves, thus leading to separate multimedia sessions that the
   B2BUA correlates and bridges together.  If not disciplined, though,
   this behaviour can severely impact the communication experience,
   especially when statistics and feedback information contained in RTCP
   packets get lost because of mismatches in the reported data.

   This document defines the proper behaviour B2BUAs should follow when
   also acting on the signalling/media plane in order to preserve the
   end-to-end functionality of RTCP.

                                                                                  


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I support adoption of this draft by WG

Regards
Ranjit
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> (As co-chair)
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> Hi,
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> The chairs would like to suggest that
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> following delivery:
> 
> "A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-SRTP
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(As co-chair)

Hi,

Based on the feedback given on the list, the chairs have decided to declare=
 adoption of draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02 as base for the following d=
elivery:

"A document defining the requirements for B2BUAs to support DTLS-SRTP (RFC =
5764) end-to-end submitted to the IESG as PS"

We ask the authors to submit a draft-ietf-straw version of the draft, and t=
o be active in moving the work forward :)

Thanks!

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Thanks Christer. We will submit the 00 version of IETF draft when the draft=
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Ram

From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com<mailto:christer.hol=
mberg@ericsson.com>>
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Subject: [straw] Decision for WG adoption: draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-=
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(As co-chair)

Hi,

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 adoption of draft-ram-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-02 as base for the following d=
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        Title           : DTLS-SRTP Handling in Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
        Authors         : Ram Mohan Ravindranath
                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
                          Victor Pascual
                          Parthasarathi Ravindran
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	Date            : 2015-03-23

Abstract:
   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
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   path.  This document describes the behavior B2BUAs should follow when
   acting on the media plane that use Secure Real-time Transport (SRTP)
   security context setup with Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS)
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This is the IETF version of the document. Addressed nits reported by
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Regards,
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>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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> This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications
>to Work Working Group of the IETF.
>
>        Title           : DTLS-SRTP Handling in Session Initiation
>Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
>        Authors         : Ram Mohan Ravindranath
>                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
>                          Gonzalo Salgueiro
>                          Victor Pascual
>                          Parthasarathi Ravindran
>	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-dtls-srtp-00.txt
>	Pages           : 9
>	Date            : 2015-03-23
>
>Abstract:
>   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
>   often function on the media plane, rather than just on the signaling
>   path.  This document describes the behavior B2BUAs should follow when
>   acting on the media plane that use Secure Real-time Transport (SRTP)
>   security context setup with Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS)
>   protocol.
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for Applications to Work Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Guidelines to support RTCP end-to-end in Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
        Authors         : Lorenzo Miniero
                          Sergio Garcia Murillo
                          Victor Pascual
	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-rtcp-05.txt
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	Date            : 2015-03-24

Abstract:
   SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) are often envisaged to also be
   on the media path, rather than just intercepting signalling.  This
   means that B2BUAs often implement an RTP/RTCP stack as well, whether
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   B2BUA correlates and bridges together.  If not disciplined, though,
   this behaviour can severely impact the communication experience,
   especially when statistics and feedback information contained in RTCP
   packets get lost because of mismatches in the reported data.

   This document defines the proper behaviour B2BUAs should follow when
   also acting on the signalling/media plane in order to preserve the
   end-to-end functionality of RTCP.


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On 24 Mar 2015, at 12:23, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal Required for =
Applications to Work Working Group of the IETF.
>=20
>        Title           : Guidelines to support RTCP end-to-end in =
Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs)
>        Authors         : Lorenzo Miniero
>                          Sergio Garcia Murillo
>                          Victor Pascual
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-rtcp-05.txt
> 	Pages           : 16
> 	Date            : 2015-03-24
>=20
> Abstract:
>   SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) are often envisaged to also be
>   on the media path, rather than just intercepting signalling.  This
>   means that B2BUAs often implement an RTP/RTCP stack as well, whether
>   to act as media transcoders or to just passthrough the media
>   themselves, thus leading to separate multimedia sessions that the
>   B2BUA correlates and bridges together.  If not disciplined, though,
>   this behaviour can severely impact the communication experience,
>   especially when statistics and feedback information contained in =
RTCP
>   packets get lost because of mismatches in the reported data.
>=20
>   This document defines the proper behaviour B2BUAs should follow when
>   also acting on the signalling/media plane in order to preserve the
>   end-to-end functionality of RTCP.
>=20
>=20
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-rtcp/

Section 3.1 mentions that "leaving RTCP packets untouched, a media relay =
may also let through information that, according to policies, may be =
best left hidden or masqueraded, e.g., domain names in CNAME items. =
Nevertheless, that information cannot break the end-to-end RTCP =
behaviour." Section 3.2 doesn't mention RTCP SDES CNAME items. I wonder =
if both sections should consider rewriting the CNAME? If the B2BUA =
rewrites SSRCs, there's the possibility of a CNAME collision if the RFC =
3550 CNAME algorithm is used, and the CNAME is not rewritten (see the =
last paragraph of Section 6.5.1 of RFC 3550).


--=20
Colin Perkins
https://csperkins.org/





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On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:27:21 -0500
Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> wrote:

> On 24 Mar 2015, at 12:23, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> > directories. This draft is a work item of the Sip Traversal
> > Required for Applications to Work Working Group of the IETF.
> > 
> >        Title           : Guidelines to support RTCP end-to-end in
> > Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) Authors         : Lorenzo Miniero
> >                          Sergio Garcia Murillo
> >                          Victor Pascual
> > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-rtcp-05.txt
> > 	Pages           : 16
> > 	Date            : 2015-03-24
> > 
> > Abstract:
> >   SIP Back-to-Back User Agents (B2BUAs) are often envisaged to also
> > be on the media path, rather than just intercepting signalling.
> > This means that B2BUAs often implement an RTP/RTCP stack as well,
> > whether to act as media transcoders or to just passthrough the media
> >   themselves, thus leading to separate multimedia sessions that the
> >   B2BUA correlates and bridges together.  If not disciplined,
> > though, this behaviour can severely impact the communication
> > experience, especially when statistics and feedback information
> > contained in RTCP packets get lost because of mismatches in the
> > reported data.
> > 
> >   This document defines the proper behaviour B2BUAs should follow
> > when also acting on the signalling/media plane in order to preserve
> > the end-to-end functionality of RTCP.
> > 
> > 
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-straw-b2bua-rtcp/
> 
> Section 3.1 mentions that "leaving RTCP packets untouched, a media
> relay may also let through information that, according to policies,
> may be best left hidden or masqueraded, e.g., domain names in CNAME
> items. Nevertheless, that information cannot break the end-to-end
> RTCP behaviour." Section 3.2 doesn't mention RTCP SDES CNAME items. I
> wonder if both sections should consider rewriting the CNAME? If the
> B2BUA rewrites SSRCs, there's the possibility of a CNAME collision if
> the RFC 3550 CNAME algorithm is used, and the CNAME is not rewritten
> (see the last paragraph of Section 6.5.1 of RFC 3550).
> 
> 

Hi Colin,

good point, I'll add this to the next version of the draft.

Thanks,
Lorenzo

