From nobody Thu Oct 1 18:19:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietf.org Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E081E3A0A99; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 18:19:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: suit@ietf.org, rdd@cert.org, housley@vigilsec.com, suit-chairs@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.18.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160160157083.12575.3180943896432959890@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 18:19:30 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] suit - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 01:19:31 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Russ Housley, a Chair of the suit working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Software Updates for Internet of Things Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Russ Housley Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: ipwave lamps stir teep ipsecme mile rats sacm Key Participant Conflict: oauth secdispatch saag tls mls acme cfrg ace People who must be present: Russ Housley Dave Thaler Roman Danyliw Hannes Tschofenig David Waltermire Henk Birkholz Brendan Moran Milosch Meriac David Brown Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 2 00:32:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB123A0EB9 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Following the detailed review of Bob Briscoe I have updated the draft. I ha= ve applied many changes and moved text around to improve readability and to= address his remarks. Here is the PR: https://github.com/suit-wg/architecture/pull/12 Here is the link to the new document: https://github.com/hannestschofenig/architecture/blob/patch-4/draft-ietf-su= it-architecture.txt Please let me know if I managed to improve the document. Ciao Hannes IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in = any medium. Thank you. --_000_AM0PR08MB3716E5CB561B1FB4865D18F1FA310AM0PR08MB3716eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

Following the detailed review of Bob Briscoe I have = updated the draft. I have applied many changes and moved text around to imp= rove readability and to address his remarks.

 

Here is the PR:

https://github.com/suit-wg/architecture/pull/12

 

Here is the link to the new document:

https://github.com/h= annestschofenig/architecture/blob/patch-4/draft-ietf-suit-architecture.txt<= /a>

 

Please let me know if I managed to improve the docum= ent.

 

Ciao

Hannes

 

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from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1DE3A0F5F; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 06:41:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: suit@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: suit@ietf.org Message-ID: <160285570152.10998.1868156659753020163@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 06:41:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-suit-architecture-13.txt X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 13:41:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Software Updates for Internet of Things WG of the IETF. Title : A Firmware Update Architecture for Internet of Things Authors : Brendan Moran Hannes Tschofenig David Brown Milosch Meriac Filename : draft-ietf-suit-architecture-13.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2020-10-16 Abstract: Vulnerabilities with Internet of Things (IoT) devices have raised the need for a reliable and secure firmware update mechanism suitable for devices with resource constraints. Incorporating such an update mechanism is a fundamental requirement for fixing vulnerabilities but it also enables other important capabilities such as updating configuration settings as well as adding new functionality. In addition to the definition of terminology and an architecture this document motivates the standardization of a manifest format as a transport-agnostic means for describing and protecting firmware updates. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-suit-architecture/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-suit-architecture-13 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-suit-architecture-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-suit-architecture-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently draft-ietf-suit-manifest-09 talks about Concise Software Identifi= ers (or CoSWIDs) in a number of sections, but does not appear to cite any refer= ence that specifies what one is. This seems like a gap to me. Should draft-ietf-sacm-coswid be added as a normative reference? (I suspect yes.) Dave --_000_BL0PR2101MB10272A3174C93F0FF414FE5EA3030BL0PR2101MB1027_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Currently draft-ietf-suit-manifest-09 talks about Co= ncise Software Identifiers

(or CoSWIDs) in a number of sections, but does not a= ppear to cite any reference

that specifies what one is.   This seems l= ike a gap to me.

 

Should draft-ietf-sacm-coswid be added as a normativ= e reference?

(I suspect yes.)

 

Dave

 

--_000_BL0PR2101MB10272A3174C93F0FF414FE5EA3030BL0PR2101MB1027_-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 16:42:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0303A09CE; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:42:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g2GI9J59jFbj; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD3873A098D; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CCjBZ44FHzyXv; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:33:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 624583989.729948-003ea6e0b24c10f51d6ecd324391ac4e Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:33:09 +0200 To: suit , teep@ietf.org, din@irtf.org, rats@ietf.org, lake@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF109: DRAFT AGENDA X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 23:42:18 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the DRAFT AGENDA for IETF109. Remember that there is still quite some potential for changes. The conflicts that meet the eye this time seem to impact generalists = only. Great scheduling job! All times *on my agenda* are in UTC (the default page is UTC+0700). https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc might be handy. Note that both EU and US are on winter time (standard time) then. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten MONDAY, November 9, 2020 0500-0700 Hackathon Kickoff Rm 1 GEN hackathon Hackathon FRIDAY, November 13, 2020 0500-0700 Hackathon Closing Rm 1 GEN hackathon Hackathon MONDAY, November 16, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 1 ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Rm 3 IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Research Group Rm 5 RTG raw Reliable and Available Wireless WG Rm 6 SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange = WG 0730-0830 Session II Rm 3 INT add Adaptive DNS Discovery WG Rm 4 IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Rm 7 SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG 0900-1100 Session III Rm 1 ART jsonpath JSON Path WG Rm 6 SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Rm 7 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG TUESDAY, November 17, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 1 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 2 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 7 SEC gnap Grant Negotiation and Authorization = Protocol WG 0730-0830 Session II Rm 5 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Rm 6 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG 0900-1100 Session III Rm 1 ART *** asdf A Semantic Definition Format for Data = and Interactions of Things WG Rm 2 IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Rm 4 RTG apn Application-aware Networking BOF Rm 7 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG WEDNESDAY, November 18, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 3 INT madinas MAC Address Device Identification for = Network and Application Services BOF Rm 5 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Rm 7 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG Rm 8 TSV quic QUIC WG 0730-0830 Session II Rm 3 INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Rm 4 INT *** drip Drone Remote ID Protocol WG Rm 7 SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Rm 8 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG THURSDAY, November 19, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 3 IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Research Group Rm 7 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 0730-0830 Session II Rm 1 ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Rm 2 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Rm 3 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Rm 5 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG 0900-1100 Session III Rm 4 OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Rm 6 RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Rm 7 SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Rm 8 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG FRIDAY, November 20, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 2 INT add Adaptive DNS Discovery WG Rm 6 RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Rm 7 SEC emu EAP Method Update WG 0730-0830 Session II Rm 1 ART httpapi Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG Rm 2 INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Rm 3 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Rm 6 SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG Rm 7 TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 0900-1100 Session III Rm 1 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 2 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 4 IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Rm 7 TSV masque Multiplexed Application Substrate over = QUIC Encryption WG From nobody Sat Oct 17 08:04:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96453A0953 for ; 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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2B3C300AEA; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 11:04:31 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 11:04:31 -0400 From: housley@vigilsec.com To: Dave Thaler Cc: suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16f349d352c6c2e1a0f1e4d031054de6@vigilsec.com> X-Sender: housley@vigilsec.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Suit] draft-ietf-suit-manifest-09 references question X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 15:04:38 -0000 Yes, I think a reference is needed. Russ On 2020-10-16 19:26, Dave Thaler wrote: > Currently draft-ietf-suit-manifest-09 talks about Concise Software > Identifiers > > (or CoSWIDs) in a number of sections, but does not appear to cite any > reference > > that specifies what one is. This seems like a gap to me. > > Should draft-ietf-sacm-coswid be added as a normative reference? > > (I suspect yes.) > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Suit mailing list > Suit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/suit From nobody Tue Oct 20 02:01:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32EF3A0A99 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 02:01:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=armh.onmicrosoft.com header.b=j/VwgIiL; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=armh.onmicrosoft.com header.b=j/VwgIiL Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jCpmU1ZcB8Qo for ; 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Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:00:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mohit Sethi via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-suit-architecture.all@ietf.org, suit@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160322042890.10508.3396812732418590187@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Mohit Sethi Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:00:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] Iotdir telechat review of draft-ietf-suit-architecture-13 X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:00:33 -0000 Reviewer: Mohit Sethi Review result: Ready with Nits Thanks for the well written document. I wonder if you want to state the difference between software and firmware update. Are they the same thing for this document? The text in the draft at some point says "Moreover, this architecture is not limited to managing software updates". But most of the other text talks about "firmware updates". Abstract: "Vulnerabilities with Internet of Things (IoT) devices" -> "Vulnerabilities in Internet of Things (IoT) devices" How about rephrasing the text: "are expected to work automatically, i.e. without user involvement. Automatic updates that do not require human intervention are key to a scalable solution for fixing software vulnerabilities." to "are o a large extent expected to work automatically, i.e. with minimal human interaction. Automatic updates that require minimal or no interaction are key to a ....". The reason for requesting this change is simple: in many scenarios you would want user approval before the actual update. For example, updating lights at night during dinner is perhaps not ideal. The draft does discuss the importance of device operator approval in some circumstances so updating the text would make sense. "programming language uses and the sandbox the software is executed in."-> "programming language used...". "Ensuring an energy efficient design of a battery-powered IoT devices because a firmware update -> "...of a battery-powered IoT device because..." I think most readers will be more familiar with the term Original Equipment Manufacture (OEM) rather than Original Design Manufacturer (ODM). I understand that ARM has a slightly complicated ecosystem and business model. So perhaps the text could say "in some cases, the OEM or the ODM act as a TPA and may decide to remain in full control...." "edge computing device" -> "edge computing devices" "Updating updates over the Internet" -> "Sending updates over the Internet" sounds a bit better "the status tracker client need to be made aware of the availability of a" -> "...the status tracker client needs to be informed about the availability of a....." "what devices qualify for a firmware update" -> "which devices qualify for a firmware update" "are only two approaches recovering from an invalid firmware" -> " are only two approaches for recovering from an invalid firmware" I am not familiar with non-relocatable code. I think this is somewhat explained later on as "execute in place" but perhaps adding a few sentences here explaining non-relocatable code wouldn't hurt. Perhaps replace "keyed message digests" with more standard "HMAC" and add a reference to RFC 2104 stray closing parenthesis -> "protection was applied)" "Hence, then the firmware image is updated" -> "Hence, when the firmware image is updated" Not sure how to interpret "mutually-distrustful delivery". I guess I understand that the firmware author and user both want to prevent revealing some information to the other party. But can we not use "mutually-distrustful delivery"? The draft uses TAs for trusted applications (TAs). But RFC 6024 referenced by this document uses TAs for Trust anchors. Can we avoid using TA abbreviations for trusted applications for ? 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X-Original-To: suit@ietf.org Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928833A1064; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 06:26:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: suit@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: suit@ietf.org Message-ID: <160328678756.28902.4200838901994212446@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 06:26:27 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-suit-architecture-14.txt X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:26:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Software Updates for Internet of Things WG of the IETF. Title : A Firmware Update Architecture for Internet of Things Authors : Brendan Moran Hannes Tschofenig David Brown Milosch Meriac Filename : draft-ietf-suit-architecture-14.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2020-10-21 Abstract: Vulnerabilities in Internet of Things (IoT) devices have raised the need for a reliable and secure firmware update mechanism suitable for devices with resource constraints. Incorporating such an update mechanism is a fundamental requirement for fixing vulnerabilities but it also enables other important capabilities such as updating configuration settings as well as adding new functionality. In addition to the definition of terminology and an architecture this document motivates the standardization of a manifest format as a transport-agnostic means for describing and protecting firmware updates. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Oct 23 14:18:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietf.org Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258003A1104; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:15:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: suit@ietf.org, rdd@cert.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160348774914.5087.2322014738835972376@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:15:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] suit - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:15:52 -0000 Dear Russ Housley, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. suit Session 1 (1:00 requested) Friday, 20 November 2020, Session II 1430-1530 Room Name: Room 6 size: 506 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/suit.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Software Updates for Internet of Things Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Russ Housley Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: ipwave lamps stir teep ipsecme mile rats sacm Key Participant Conflict: oauth secdispatch saag tls mls acme cfrg ace People who must be present: Russ Housley Dave Thaler Roman Danyliw Hannes Tschofenig David Waltermire Henk Birkholz Brendan Moran Milosch Meriac David Brown Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 23 15:12:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56ADC3A0990; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 15:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sJ-5RaQcXvNg; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 15:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C24D3A0994; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 15:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CHyk53LxqzyVg; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 23:56:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 625183005.290325-8d89a175b356a0a970232e46019678c9 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 23:56:45 +0200 To: suit , teep@ietf.org, din@irtf.org, rats@ietf.org, lake@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] [Cbor] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF109: "FINAL" AGENDA X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:12:18 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the "FINAL" AGENDA for IETF109. Remember that further agenda changes can still happen. Very little has changed with respect to the draft agenda. WEBTRANS does meet, and CFRG and IRTFOPEN have been moved around (CFRG now on top of CORE, unfortunately). All times *on my agenda* are in UTC (the default page is UTC+0700). https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc might be handy. Note that both EU and US are on winter time (standard time) then. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten MONDAY, November 9, 2020 0500-0700 Hackathon Kickoff Rm 1 GEN hackathon Hackathon FRIDAY, November 13, 2020 0500-0700 Hackathon Closing Rm 1 GEN hackathon Hackathon MONDAY, November 16, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 1 ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Rm 3 IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Research Group Rm 5 RTG raw Reliable and Available Wireless WG Rm 6 SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange WG 0730-0830 Session II Rm 2 INT add Adaptive DNS Discovery WG Rm 3 IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Rm 6 SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG 0900-1100 Session III Rm 1 ART jsonpath JSON Path WG Rm 2 ART webtrans WebTransport WG Rm 7 SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Rm 8 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG TUESDAY, November 17, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 1 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 2 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 3 IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Rm 7 SEC gnap Grant Negotiation and Authorization Protocol WG 0730-0830 Session II Rm 5 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Rm 6 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG 0900-1100 Session III Rm 1 ART *** asdf A Semantic Definition Format for Data and = Interactions of Things WG Rm 5 RTG apn Application-aware Networking BOF Rm 8 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG WEDNESDAY, November 18, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 3 INT madinas MAC Address Device Identification for Network = and Application Services BOF Rm 5 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Rm 7 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for Constrained = Environments WG Rm 8 TSV quic QUIC WG 0730-0830 Session II Rm 3 INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of Resource-constrained Nodes = WG Rm 4 INT *** drip Drone Remote ID Protocol WG Rm 7 SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG Rm 8 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG THURSDAY, November 19, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 3 IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Research Group Rm 7 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 0730-0830 Session II Rm 1 ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance = and Extensions WG Rm 2 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Rm 3 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Rm 5 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management Environment WG 0900-1100 Session III Rm 4 OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Rm 6 RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG Rm 7 SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Rm 8 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG FRIDAY, November 20, 2020 0500-0700 Session I Rm 2 INT add Adaptive DNS Discovery WG Rm 6 RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Rm 7 SEC emu EAP Method Update WG 0730-0830 Session II Rm 1 ART httpapi Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG Rm 2 INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Rm 3 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and = Approach WG Rm 6 SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things WG Rm 7 TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 0900-1100 Session III Rm 1 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 3 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 5 IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Rm 8 TSV masque Multiplexed Application Substrate over QUIC = Encryption WG _______________________________________________ CBOR mailing list CBOR@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cbor From nobody Wed Oct 28 02:40:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietf.org Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F9F3A0922; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 02:40:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: suit@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: suit@ietf.org Message-ID: <160387805562.19421.15922327682406445477@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 02:40:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-suit-information-model-08.txt X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:40:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Software Updates for Internet of Things WG of the IETF. Title : An Information Model for Firmware Updates in IoT Devices Authors : Brendan Moran Hannes Tschofenig Henk Birkholz Filename : draft-ietf-suit-information-model-08.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2020-10-28 Abstract: Vulnerabilities with Internet of Things (IoT) devices have raised the need for a reliable and secure firmware update mechanism that is also suitable for constrained devices. Ensuring that devices function and remain secure over their service life requires such an update mechanism to fix vulnerabilities, to update configuration settings, as well as adding new functionality. One component of such a firmware update is a concise and machine- processable meta-data document, or manifest, that describes the firmware image(s) and offers appropriate protection. This document describes the information that must be present in the manifest. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-suit-information-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-suit-information-model-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-suit-information-model-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-suit-information-model-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: suit@ietf.org, rdd@cert.org, suit-chairs@ietf.org, dthaler@microsoft.com, Dave Thaler , draft-ietf-suit-information-model@ietf.org Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <160389544166.20380.15403402246494379670@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:30:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] Last Call: (An Information Model for Firmware Updates in IoT Devices) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:30:42 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Software Updates for Internet of Things WG (suit) to consider the following document: - 'An Information Model for Firmware Updates in IoT Devices' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-11-11. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Vulnerabilities with Internet of Things (IoT) devices have raised the need for a reliable and secure firmware update mechanism that is also suitable for constrained devices. Ensuring that devices function and remain secure over their service life requires such an update mechanism to fix vulnerabilities, to update configuration settings, as well as adding new functionality. One component of such a firmware update is a concise and machine- processable meta-data document, or manifest, that describes the firmware image(s) and offers appropriate protection. This document describes the information that must be present in the manifest. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-suit-information-model/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Wed Oct 28 13:46:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietf.org Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B953A0AF6; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:46:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Duke via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-suit-architecture@ietf.org, suit-chairs@ietf.org, suit@ietf.org, Russ Housley , housley@vigilsec.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Martin Duke Message-ID: <160391800951.12311.11084767911661234444@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:46:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-suit-architecture-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:46:52 -0000 Martin Duke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-suit-architecture-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-suit-architecture/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for engaging with the TSVART review. I think Bob's criticism that certain aspects of what is critical, vs. nice-to-have are ambiguous. For example, in Section 1: "The firmware update process has to ensure that - The firmware image is authenticated and integrity protected. Attempts to flash a maliciously modified firmware image or an image from an unknown, untrusted source must be prevented. In examples this document uses asymmetric cryptography because it is the preferred approach by many IoT deployments. The use of symmetric credentials is also supported and can be used by very constrained IoT devices. - The firmware image can be confidentiality protected so that attempts by an adversary to recover the plaintext binary can be mitigated or at least made more difficult. Obtaining the firmware is often one of the first steps to mount an attack since it gives the adversary valuable insights into the software libraries used, configuration settings and generic functionality. Even though reverse engineering the binary can be a tedious process modern reverse engineering frameworks have made this task a lot easier." The construction of this excerpt suggests that confidentiality is mandatory, but I gather from the thread that it is not. If it is mandatory, than please change the second bullet to read "The firmware image is confidentiality protected..." If it is not mandatory, I would just combine the first bullet and the opening clause, and make the second bullet an independent paragraph. From nobody Fri Oct 30 10:24:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: suit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802283A1056 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xxh3ZyfM5R_7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3E343A1051 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 10:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD36300ADB for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:24:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id wTRm7WwJB6HS for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.161] (pool-141-156-161-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net [141.156.161.153]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F076300A02 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B463289F-4672-49E7-B056-E9BC8E023DAF" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Message-Id: <2BC70382-10B7-46A9-9795-7D97DA3A0CAB@vigilsec.com> References: To: suit Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:24:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) Archived-At: Subject: [Suit] Fwd: SP 800-208, Recommendation for Stateful Hash-Based Signature Schemes published X-BeenThere: suit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Software Updates for Internet of Things List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 17:24:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B463289F-4672-49E7-B056-E9BC8E023DAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI. NIST approves hash-based signatures ... > From: "'Moody, Dustin (Fed)' via pqc-forum" > Subject: SP 800-208, Recommendation for Stateful Hash-Based Signature = Schemes published > Date: October 30, 2020 at 12:36:09 PM EDT >=20 > NIST announces the release of Special Publication (SP) 800-208, = Recommendation for Stateful Hash-Based Signature Schemes = . This = publication supplements FIPS 186 = by = approving the use of two stateful hash-based signature schemes: the = eXtended Merkle Signature Scheme (XMSS) and the Leighton-Micali = Signature system (LMS) as specified in Requests for Comments (RFC) 8391 = and 8554, respectively. >=20 > Stateful hash-based signature schemes are secure against the = development of quantum computers, but they are not suitable for general = use because their security depends on careful state management. They are = most appropriate for applications in which the use of the private key = may be carefully controlled and where there is a need to transition to a = post-quantum secure digital signature scheme before the post-quantum = cryptography standardization process = has completed. >=20 > NIST SP 800-208 = profiles = LMS, XMSS, and their multi-tree variants. This profile approves the use = of some but not all of the parameter sets defined in RFCs 8391 and 8554. = The approved parameter sets use either SHA-256 or SHAKE256 with 192- or = 256-bit outputs. This profile also requires that key and signature = generation be performed in hardware cryptographic modules that do not = allow secret keying material to be exported. --Apple-Mail=_B463289F-4672-49E7-B056-E9BC8E023DAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii FYI. = NIST approves hash-based signatures ...

Subject: = SP 800-208, = Recommendation for Stateful Hash-Based Signature Schemes = published
Date: = October 30, 2020 at 12:36:09 PM = EDT

NIST = announces the release of Special = Publication (SP) 800-208, Recommendation for Stateful = Hash-Based Signature Schemes. This publication supplements FIPS 186 by approving = the use of two stateful hash-based signature schemes: the eXtended = Merkle Signature Scheme (XMSS) and the Leighton-Micali Signature system = (LMS) as specified in Requests for Comments (RFC) 8391 and 8554, = respectively.

Stateful hash-based = signature schemes are secure against the development of quantum = computers, but they are not suitable for general use because their = security depends on careful state management. They are most appropriate = for applications in which the use of the private key may be carefully = controlled and where there is a need to transition to a post-quantum = secure digital signature scheme before the post-quantum cryptography standardization process has completed.

NIST SP 800-208 profiles LMS, XMSS, and their multi-tree = variants. This profile approves the use of some but not all of the = parameter sets defined in RFCs 8391 and 8554. The approved parameter = sets use either SHA-256 or SHAKE256 with 192- or 256-bit outputs. This = profile also requires that key and signature generation be performed in = hardware cryptographic modules that do not allow secret keying material = to be exported.

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