From wesley.george@twcable.com Mon Sep 16 13:38:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBCF11E8331 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:38:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.952 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.952 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.186, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K5gjqQxJs2WR for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdcipgw02.twcable.com (cdcipgw02.twcable.com [165.237.91.111]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A93B11E8332 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-SENDER-IP: 10.136.163.15 X-SENDER-REPUTATION: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,918,1371096000"; d="scan'208,217";a="38421065" Received: from unknown (HELO PRVPEXHUB06.corp.twcable.com) ([10.136.163.15]) by cdcipgw02.twcable.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 16 Sep 2013 16:38:23 -0400 Received: from PRVPEXVS15.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.78]) by PRVPEXHUB06.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.15]) with mapi; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:38:24 -0400 From: "George, Wes" To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:38:23 -0400 Thread-Topic: Happy Eyeballs for multiple interfaces Thread-Index: Ac6zHK+PFp6C0EprS+mIeo6wnFvPZQ== Message-ID: <2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A84B5E1@PRVPEXVS15.corp.twcable.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A84B5E1PRVPEXVS15cor_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "draft-ietf-mif-happy-eyeballs-extension@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [sunset4] Happy Eyeballs for multiple interfaces X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:38:41 -0000 --_000_2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A84B5E1PRVPEXVS15cor_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This document is worth a review, as it discusses some similar challenges to= what we discussed at our last meeting around how to manage different inter= faces (or address-families) with different levels of connectivity. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mif-happy-eyeballs-extension-03 Thanks, Wes George Anything below this line has been added by my company's mail server, I have= no control over it. ----------- ________________________________ This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable propri= etary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyrig= ht belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the u= se of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the= intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissem= ination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents= of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawf= ul. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender imm= ediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail an= d any printout. --_000_2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A84B5E1PRVPEXVS15cor_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This document is worth a review, as it discusses som= e similar challenges to what we discussed at our last meeting around how to= manage different interfaces (or address-families) with different levels of= connectivity.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mif-hap= py-eyeballs-extension-03

 

Thanks,

 

Wes George

 

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 --_000_2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A84B5E1PRVPEXVS15cor_-- From ayourtch@gmail.com Tue Sep 17 02:06:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A2911E83BD for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 02:06:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fle4D9nBA7B9 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 02:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-x234.google.com (mail-bk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B6511E83BB for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 02:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f52.google.com with SMTP id e11so2035266bkh.11 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 02:05:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=wTx2xYYL9kKri128HhQse07rbPI6pvVeRVsemxRYBFY=; b=Lc41+OMqzN8VPzI8vmcxTQV46ElQBOnUzUY3cavpzZiLNY9LKgd4CU+fRtLoKS1J/i 0CX+hAjjEIXSssdCHnesQfeIgf9k9Rc1ID5AOggupwcAtuIpVCRK2Qbq5NZW0Z66HKpL n9c5INjSAQ2+7dE0IgtLeooq+jUqQecOA4B8M+mU+SPXghtALGmL4r7yg92WjNmXdOsq MFpHOEKI2gqYd0KYMbUD3fPNnH8MwG6gpWe0Kl87VKzImrDKtwosnHBcEGBp8NwGmqT5 Ji+EXD6w9JgKPg2g4ZEQxsCYGJWN9ki7kjEWp8b3Nvzsw8ileEOvuEGayRHz0WyzM2Nt YTEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.205.74.69 with SMTP id yv5mr446711bkb.35.1379408748152; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 02:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.169.70 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 02:05:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A84B5E1@PRVPEXVS15.corp.twcable.com> References: <2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A84B5E1@PRVPEXVS15.corp.twcable.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:05:48 +0200 Message-ID: From: Andrew Yourtchenko To: "George, Wes" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "draft-ietf-mif-happy-eyeballs-extension@tools.ietf.org" , "sunset4@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Happy Eyeballs for multiple interfaces X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:06:00 -0000 I think http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-anipko-mif-mpvd-arch-02 is something very much also worth looking at - as it talks about the new MIF architecture - and the next rev of draft-ietf-mif-happy-eyeballs-extension is waiting for it to be done to base on it. --a On 9/16/13, George, Wes wrote: > This document is worth a review, as it discusses some similar challenges to > what we discussed at our last meeting around how to manage different > interfaces (or address-families) with different levels of connectivity. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mif-happy-eyeballs-extension-03 > > Thanks, > > Wes George > > Anything below this line has been added by my company's mail server, I have > no control over it. > ----------- > > > ________________________________ > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable > proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to > copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for > the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not > the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the > contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be > unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the > sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this > E-mail and any printout. > From wesley.george@twcable.com Wed Sep 18 07:14:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21C611E8241 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:14:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.952 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.952 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.045, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nlhPU19QW8hm for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdcipgw01.twcable.com (cdcipgw01.twcable.com [165.237.91.110]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BBA11E811E for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-SENDER-IP: 10.136.163.14 X-SENDER-REPUTATION: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.90,929,1371096000"; d="scan'208,217";a="45685046" Received: from unknown (HELO PRVPEXHUB05.corp.twcable.com) ([10.136.163.14]) by cdcipgw01.twcable.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 18 Sep 2013 10:14:18 -0400 Received: from PRVPEXVS15.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.78]) by PRVPEXHUB05.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.14]) with mapi; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:14:12 -0400 From: "George, Wes" To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:14:11 -0400 Thread-Topic: items for IETF 88 Vancouver meeting? Thread-Index: Ac60eVMmbS7yn6gQTDG1X1uTEHQfUA== Message-ID: <2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A8F5175@PRVPEXVS15.corp.twcable.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A8F5175PRVPEXVS15cor_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [sunset4] items for IETF 88 Vancouver meeting? X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:14:31 -0000 --_000_2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A8F5175PRVPEXVS15cor_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The deadlines for IETF 88 are fast approaching. The preliminary agenda is d= ue on 3 October, and we are approximately one month out from the draft subm= ission cutoff, so please send in your requests for agenda timeslots and sta= rt pushing out those draft updates. Some dates to be aware of: * 2013-10-03 (Thursday): Preliminary agenda published for comment. * 2013-10-07 (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to reschedule Working Gr= oup and BOF meetings UTC 24:00. * 2013-10-07 (Monday): Working Group Chair approval for initial document= (Version -00) submissions appreciated by UTC 24:00. * 2013-10-11 (Friday): Final agenda to be published. * 2013-10-21 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts= , including -00) by UTC 24:00, upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. * 2013-10-23 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 24:00, = upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. * 2013-10-25 (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at UT= C 24:00. * 2013-10-28 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 24:00, u= pload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. * 2013-11-03 - 2013-11-08: 88th IETF Meeting in Vancouver, BC, Canada. I've submitted a request for a 2h meeting, and here is the current conflict= list. I can update the request through Monday 23 September, so if you see = something that we should be adding to the conflict lists, please let me kno= w ASAP. Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: behave softwire v6ops precis Second Priority: dhc intarea 6man homenet Third Priority: opsarea opsawg Other WGs that included Sunsetting IPv4 in their conflict list: dhc, ippm, homenet, dmm Thanks, Wes George Anything below this line has been added by my company's mail server, I have= no control over it. ----------- ________________________________ This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable propri= etary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyrig= ht belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the u= se of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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The deadlines for IETF 88 are fast approaching. The = preliminary agenda is due on 3 October, and we are approximately one month = out from the draft submission cutoff, so please send in your requests for a= genda timeslots and start pushing out those draft updates.

 

Some dates to be aware of:

  • 2013-10-03 (Thursday): Prelimi= nary agenda published for comment.
  • 2013-10-07 (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to reschedule Working Group and BOF meetings UTC 24:00.<= o:p>
  • 2013-10-07 (Monday): Working Group Chair approval for initial document (Version -00) submissions apprec= iated by UTC 24:00.
  • 2013-10-11 (Friday): Final agenda to be published.
  • 2013-10-21 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, including -00) by UTC 24:00, upl= oad using IETF ID Submission Tool.
  • 2013-10-23 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 24:00, upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool.
  • 2013-10-25 (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at UTC 24:00.
    • =
  • 2013-10-28 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 24:00, upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool.
  • 2013-11-03 - 2013-11-08: 88th IETF Meeting in Vancouve= r, BC, Canada.

I’ve submitted a request for a 2h meeting, and= here is the current conflict list. I can update the request through Monday= 23 September, so if you see something that we should be adding to the conf= lict lists, please let me know ASAP.

 

Conflicts to Avoid:

First Prior= ity:

behave soft= wire v6ops precis

Second Prio= rity:

dhc intarea= 6man homenet

Third Prior= ity:

opsarea ops= awg

Other WGs that included Sunsetting IPv4 in their conflict list:

dhc, ippm, homenet, dmm

 

Thanks,

 

Wes George

 

Anything below this li= ne has been added by my company’s mail server, I have no control over= it.

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 --_000_2671C6CDFBB59E47B64C10B3E0BD5923043A8F5175PRVPEXVS15cor_-- From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Wed Sep 18 14:13:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBAC11E8121 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:13:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cJq63xqMCSCk for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA6711E810A for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2620:0:230:2002::1001] (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:2002::1001]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0305403E0 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:13:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Blanchet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <69AE0F51-990D-4719-9E7B-AA5A003DC6E9@viagenie.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:13:28 -0400 To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Subject: [sunset4] draft-perreault-sunset4-noipv4 adoption X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 21:13:33 -0000 Hello, during Berlin joint meeting with dhc, there was no issue raised for the = adoption of the draft-perreault-sunset4-noipv4 document by the wg, = (while there are still known issues on the content of the document to be = dealt with). Therefore, the sunset4 chairs are asking the authors to = send a new rev under draft-ietf-sunset4 unless someone raises an issue = with the adoption by friday 20th. Meanwhile, the chairs would like to see more comments and reviews on the = document. Regards,=20 Marc and Wes, co-chairs= From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Sep 24 04:01:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00B521F940D; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oLEDDphMb9+w; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515C121F969F; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:01:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.72 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20130924110135.29616.72645.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:01:35 -0700 Cc: sunset4@ietf.org Subject: [sunset4] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sunset4-noipv4-00.txt X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:01:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Sunsetting IPv4 Working Group of the IETF. Title : Turning off IPv4 Using DHCPv6 or Router Advertisements Author(s) : Simon Perreault Wes George Tina Tsou Tianle Yang Filename : draft-ietf-sunset4-noipv4-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2013-09-24 Abstract: This memo defines a new DHCPv6 option and a new Router Advertisement option for indicating to a dual-stack host or router that IPv4 is to be turned off. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sunset4-noipv4 There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sunset4-noipv4-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/