From wesley.george@twcable.com Mon Feb 10 08:20:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D1C1A031A for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:20:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.013 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.013 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UqE1gxh2SnPq for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdpipgw01.twcable.com (cdpipgw01.twcable.com [165.237.59.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7620F1A017E for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:20:23 -0800 (PST) X-SENDER-IP: 10.136.163.14 X-SENDER-REPUTATION: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,818,1384318800"; d="scan'208";a="197402368" Received: from unknown (HELO PRVPEXHUB05.corp.twcable.com) ([10.136.163.14]) by cdpipgw01.twcable.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 10 Feb 2014 11:18:37 -0500 Received: from PRVPEXVS15.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.78]) by PRVPEXHUB05.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.14]) with mapi; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:20:22 -0500 From: "George, Wes" To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:20:21 -0500 Thread-Topic: IETF 89 Final Agenda Thread-Index: Ac8me/8nhrxTgoYaQAiSObK5mpb05Q== Message-ID: References: <20140207225819.10526.35592.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140207225819.10526.35592.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [sunset4] FW: IETF 89 Final Agenda X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:20:25 -0000 WW91IG1heSBub3RpY2UgdGhhdCB0aGUgU3Vuc2V0NCBtZWV0aW5nIGlzIGNvbWJpbmVkIHdpdGgg TUlGIG9uIFRodXJzZGF5DQpBTS4gVGhpcyBpcyBiZWNhdXNlIG9mIHNvbWUgc2NoZWR1bGluZyBj b25mbGljdHMgdGhhdCBlbmRlZCB1cCB3aXRoIHVzDQpiZWluZyBhc2tlZCB0byBzaGFyZSBhIHRp bWVzbG90LCBvbiBhY2NvdW50IG9mIGEgZmFpcmx5IGxpZ2h0IGFnZW5kYSBhbmQNCnRoZSBmYWN0 IHRoYXQgd2UgY2FuY2VsbGVkIG91ciBwcmV2aW91cyBtZWV0aW5nIGZvciBhIGxhY2sgb2YgaXRl bXMuIFRoaXMNCmlzIG5vdCBhIGNvbWJpbmVkIG1lZXRpbmcsIGJ1dCByYXRoZXIgYSBzaGFyZWQg cm9vbS90aW1lc2xvdC4gVGhlIHdheSB0aGF0DQp0aGlzIHdpbGwgd29yayBpcyB0aGF0IHdlIHdp bGwgZ2V0IDQ1IG1pbnV0ZXMgb2YgdGhlIGF2YWlsYWJsZSA5MCBmb3Igb3VyDQptZWV0aW5nLCBh bmQgTUlGIHdpbGwgZ2V0IHRoZSBvdGhlciA0NS4NCg0KV2hhdCB0aGlzIG1lYW5zIGlzIHRoYXQg d2UgbmVlZCB0byBhdm9pZCByZWx5aW5nIG9uIHRoZSBtZWV0aW5nIHRvIGdldA0KdGhpbmdzIGFj Y29tcGxpc2hlZCBhbmQgbmVlZCB0byBzdGFydCBoYXZpbmcgc29tZSBkaXNjdXNzaW9uIG9uLWxp c3Qgb3Zlcg0KdGhlIGNvbWluZyBkYXlzIHNvIHRoYXQgd2XigJlyZSB1c2luZyBvdXIgbWVldGlu ZyB0aW1lIGVmZmVjdGl2ZWx5IHRvDQpkaXNjdXNzIHRoaW5ncyB0aGF0IG5lZWQgdGhlIGhpZ2gt YmFuZHdpZHRoIGNoYW5uZWwgdGhhdCBhIG1lZXRpbmcNCnByb3ZpZGVzLg0KDQpUaGFua3MsDQoN Cldlcw0KDQoNCg0KDQpPbiAyLzcvMTQsIDU6NTggUE0sICJJRVRGIEFnZW5kYSIgPGFnZW5kYUBp ZXRmLm9yZz4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCj44OXRoIElFVEYgTWVldGluZyAtIExvbmRvbiwgRW5nbGFuZA0K Pk1hcmNoIDIgLSA3LCAyMDE0DQo+DQo+VGhlIGZpbmFsIGFnZW5kYSBoYXMgYmVlbiBwb3N0ZWQu DQo+DQo+aHR0cHM6Ly9kYXRhdHJhY2tlci5pZXRmLm9yZy9tZWV0aW5nLzg5L2FnZW5kYS5odG1s DQo+aHR0cHM6Ly9kYXRhdHJhY2tlci5pZXRmLm9yZy9tZWV0aW5nLzg5L2FnZW5kYS50eHQNCj4N Cj5XaGlsZSB0aGlzIGlzIGNvbnNpZGVyZWQgdGhlIGZpbmFsIGFnZW5kYSBmb3IgcHJpbnRpbmcs IGNoYW5nZXMgbWF5IGJlDQo+bWFkZSB0byB0aGUgYWdlbmRhIHVwIHVudGlsIGFuZCBkdXJpbmcg dGhlIG1lZXRpbmcuIFVwZGF0ZXMgd2lsbCBiZQ0KPnJlZmxlY3RlZCBvbiB0aGUgd2ViIHZlcnNp b24gb2YgdGhlIGFnZW5kYS4NCj4NCj5JbmZvcm1hdGlvbiBhYm91dCB0aGUgODl0aCBJRVRGIG1l ZXRpbmcgaW4gTG9uZG9uLCBFbmdsYW5kIGNhbiBiZSBmb3VuZA0KPmhlcmU6IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3 LmlldGYub3JnL21lZXRpbmcvODkvaW5kZXguaHRtbA0KPg0KPlRoYW5rIHlvdSBhbmQgc2VlIHlv dSBpbiBMb25kb24hDQo+DQo+U2luY2VyZWx5LA0KPg0KPlRoZSBJRVRGIFNlY3JldGFyaWF0DQoN Cg0KVGhpcyBFLW1haWwgYW5kIGFueSBvZiBpdHMgYXR0YWNobWVudHMgbWF5IGNvbnRhaW4gVGlt ZSBXYXJuZXIgQ2FibGUgcHJvcHJpZXRhcnkgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24sIHdoaWNoIGlzIHByaXZpbGVn ZWQsIGNvbmZpZGVudGlhbCwgb3Igc3ViamVjdCB0byBjb3B5cmlnaHQgYmVsb25naW5nIHRvIFRp bWUgV2FybmVyIENhYmxlLiBUaGlzIEUtbWFpbCBpcyBpbnRlbmRlZCBzb2xlbHkgZm9yIHRoZSB1 c2Ugb2YgdGhlIGluZGl2aWR1YWwgb3IgZW50aXR5IHRvIHdoaWNoIGl0IGlzIGFkZHJlc3NlZC4g SWYgeW91IGFyZSBub3QgdGhlIGludGVuZGVkIHJlY2lwaWVudCBvZiB0aGlzIEUtbWFpbCwgeW91 IGFyZSBoZXJlYnkgbm90aWZpZWQgdGhhdCBhbnkgZGlzc2VtaW5hdGlvbiwgZGlzdHJpYnV0aW9u LCBjb3B5aW5nLCBvciBhY3Rpb24gdGFrZW4gaW4gcmVsYXRpb24gdG8gdGhlIGNvbnRlbnRzIG9m IGFuZCBhdHRhY2htZW50cyB0byB0aGlzIEUtbWFpbCBpcyBzdHJpY3RseSBwcm9oaWJpdGVkIGFu ZCBtYXkgYmUgdW5sYXdmdWwuIElmIHlvdSBoYXZlIHJlY2VpdmVkIHRoaXMgRS1tYWlsIGluIGVy cm9yLCBwbGVhc2Ugbm90aWZ5IHRoZSBzZW5kZXIgaW1tZWRpYXRlbHkgYW5kIHBlcm1hbmVudGx5 IGRlbGV0ZSB0aGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgYW5kIGFueSBjb3B5IG9mIHRoaXMgRS1tYWlsIGFuZCBhbnkg cHJpbnRvdXQuDQo= From Ted.Lemon@nominum.com Mon Feb 10 11:38:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E010A1A0861 for ; 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The way = that > this will work is that we will get 45 minutes of the available 90 for = our > meeting, and MIF will get the other 45. It's actually a 150-minute timeslot, of which MIF gets roughly 105 = minutes. If MIF finishes early sunset4 can have the extra time, but = you definitely get the last 45 minutes. 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b=gWwRDBrYUiIhVukzyMyGoNrvN6RgO2VxqfoxWtAwebOEAAgQS5gPu1Pqhff11s9K5O jNVQdd3E2GegLnI4JyPOtIVMVNrJoZbNyq0OrN/LuQXiuaR1SWjOhfdemeVBqm8+vJ9E 8tqqtT0M14b6Eotec7+b97ZleKnEAwbycELLdG2dG3Cm423hWGVyQO5Sfty38jbonrxF v+FU/X+GLi5tpgjC5buGwJRxbZyKSFt3OymVhsJXZlzlwzX2eCaGVdsfFm17H/9qQ1Ao q7HmXI84wcpehJOtIpDhFOonEGEDKbwvOGt7SbZdFvu9OdlXh2F18W75xCaTSZ9AC7pB pOyQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.5.136 with SMTP id 8mr40724189qav.42.1392701260194; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.51.137 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:27:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20140213160533.17157.59171.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20140213160533.17157.59171.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:27:40 +0800 Message-ID: From: GangChen To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/c1IU1-cRNjDwUoR8hXP-DKWjkKA Cc: "draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [sunset4] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-03.txt X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 05:27:46 -0000 Dear all, We have submitted a new draft for the milestone of " NAT64 port allocation and address sharing methods involving scenarios where an IPv6-only node is present " The draft is trying to converge draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation, draft-donley-behave-deterministic-cgn and draft-tsou-behave-natx4-log-reduction. Your reviews/comments are much appreciated. BRs Gang ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:05:33 -0800 Subject: I-D Action: draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-03.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Analysis of NAT64 Port Allocation Method Authors : Gang Chen Tina Tsou Chris Donley Tom Taylor Filename : draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-03.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2014-02-13 Abstract: The document enumerated methods of port assignment in CGN contexts, more focused on NAT64 environments. The analysis categorized the different methods with several key features. The uses of existing protocols are described corresponding to those features. The document also shared the port-usage experiences, relevant findings, evaluations and workarounds. It's expected the document could provide a informative base line to help operators choosing a proper method. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Tue Feb 18 09:55:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214EC1A06D1 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:55:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.088 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.088 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com 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79FFE1A036C for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 41044 invoked by uid 17031); 22 Feb 2014 02:14:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 02:14:02 +0000 From: Greg Skinner To: sunset4@ietf.org Message-ID: <20140222021402.A27287@gds.best.vwh.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/6FZucwXlPkCQyxrPEHvp05iTwx8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 06:56:28 -0800 Subject: [sunset4] RFC 796 to Historic X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 02:14:08 -0000 I recently noticed that RFC 796, Address Mappings, contains out-of-date information, but its status has never been changed to Historic. At the suggestion of the sunset4 WG chairs, I would like to bring this topic up for discussion on the list. Here are the relevant sections of the first cut of the draft I wrote: ===== Abstract This memo reclassifies RFC 796, Address Mappings, to Historic status. This memo also obsoletes RFC 796. 1. Reclassification of RFC 796 to Historic RFC 796 [RFC796] specifies formats for "classful" IPv4 addresses. It also specifies mappings for some existing networks at the time it was published between their "local" network representations and IPv4 equivalents. However, "classful" addresses have been largely superseded by CIDR [RFC4632]. Furthermore, the vast majority of these addresses have either been reassigned to other organizations, or are considered part of private address space [RFC1918]. Therefore, RFC 796 is reclassified to Historic status. 5. References 5.1. Normative References [RFC796] Postel, J., "Address Mappings", 1981, . 5.2. Informative References [RFC1918] Rekhter, Y., Moskowitz, R., Karrenberg, D., Groot, G., and E. Lear, "Address Allocation for Private Internets", BCP 5, RFC 1918, February 1996. [RFC4632] Fuller, V. and T. Li, "Classless Inter-domain Routing (CIDR): The Internet Address Assignment and Aggregation Plan", BCP 122, RFC 4632, August 2006. ===== Regards, Greg From nobody Sun Feb 23 12:09:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF421A06F7 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:09:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RCAlCA6kcU2A for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF951A06F1 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E9D1B814C for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-02.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91698190052; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.109] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-02.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:09:48 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <20140222021402.A27287@gds.best.vwh.net> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:09:47 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <58FE7073-FCDF-440F-B078-537A047FD0F0@nominum.com> References: <20140222021402.A27287@gds.best.vwh.net> To: Greg Skinner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/wtb8a0wEF9JCWQD6ZamCGIp_ZE0 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [sunset4] RFC 796 to Historic X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:09:50 -0000 On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:14 PM, Greg Skinner wrote: > I recently noticed that RFC 796, Address Mappings, contains > out-of-date information, but its status has never been changed to > Historic. At the suggestion of the sunset4 WG chairs, I would like to > bring this topic up for discussion on the list. Here are the relevant > sections of the first cut of the draft I wrote: The IESG is unlikely to accept a draft that moves RFC 796 to Historic, = since it can be done without a draft. If you want me to propose to the = IESG that RFC 796 be moved to historic, I'd be happy to do so. From nobody Sun Feb 23 23:01:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC5C1A034E for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:01:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.348 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q-RJ9pGLBlRD for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-3.cisco.com (mtv-iport-3.cisco.com [173.36.130.14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B291A0103 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:01:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3751; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1393225273; x=1394434873; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=NvHglgSMJxrc2JyTwdc5buS+4l7Mn2F3EFVV6KxgXo4=; b=ZK0N+QqNbp2H6E4QTrC9PKmGthv5pnvmZNcjSD5nsqUCqa1B+IWVi1Gc 7cla5n0mR8VbC/VVCrUUT3Z3ouPYGkvAk2hu2ctbwLV7Scc/bvpG7gvJM Bx3V4S0bKC3k9BxJHeBVJwcNGr0gKNloJSsO1EJszCJ7wfKHiorNYjMSc Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AikFAHftClOrRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABZgwY7wGxPgRIWdIIlAQEBAwEBAQFrBAcFCwtGJzAGExuHYgcOxjoTBI15GgEBHDMHgySBFASJSI5skieDThuBNQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,533,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="104344074" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2014 07:01:12 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpn7-1513.cisco.com (sjc-vpn7-1513.cisco.com [10.21.149.233]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s1O71Bo0020812; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 07:01:12 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Dan Wing In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:01:11 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <316B7311-F563-4C05-9F2A-AB81D2DFB9AD@cisco.com> References: To: "George, Wes" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/OgjXJgedWAJB8hs86hmV5hGI07w Cc: "draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation@tools.ietf.org" , "sunset4@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Review of cgn-port-allocation draft X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 07:01:16 -0000 On Feb 18, 2014, at 9:55 AM, "George, Wes" = wrote: > I had a fairly quick pass through this draft before the meeting and = have some comments, as an individual (no WG chair hat) unless otherwise = specified: >=20 > Section 2, 2nd paragraph=96 it=92s unclear what this testing that = you=92re referring to is. If it=92s external (e.g. A whitepaper or other = published study), a citation would be useful. If it=92s internal, some = information on who, what, where, when and methodology used would help to = establish the credibility of the testing as something that adds value as = a data point in this discussion. >=20 > 3.1 =96 probably should cite the relevant RFCs/sections for NAT vs = NAPT. While many readers may be familiar with the difference, the = reference is useful for those who are not.=20 >=20 > 3.3 =93feature of double-translation=94 =97 citation/more explanation = needed >=20 > 4.1/4.4 =96 I thought that the direction of the WG was = to integrate the referenced drafts so that we had one draft that covers = the solution space, not continue to reference them externally from an = overview draft. Since there is no longer a Behave WG, these referenced = drafts are orphans, and unless consensus changes, Sunset4 will not be = progressing multiple overlapping NAT/CGN logging/mapping drafts. There = is significant overlap between the solutions proposed by Donley and Tsou = such that they can be merged into one solution with a couple of = different variants of port assignment, I.e. Tsou is the simple case, and = Donley is a potential optimization. This along with some discussion as = to the pros/cons of each will be useful guidance.=20 > >=20 > 5.1 =93a testing was made=94 =97 see comment for section 2. Also, = details about how the 40T value was reached (what amount of data per = record, number of records per unit time. See donley=92s intro section = for an example. Also, I think that this section is really something that = belongs earlier in the document, since it is the reason for there to be = multiple methods of port allocation. This is the problem statement to = the solutions being provided in donley/tsou. And can we please, pretty please, get a comparison of that result with = gzip or bzip2 or some other compression as is done by modern Unixes for = their log files (newsyslog.conf)? -d > There also needs to be discussion of state sync and failover/HA for = the different solutions =96 how are things like existing mappings = managed if a CGN fails and traffic switches to a backup, how do logging = messages get updated, etc. See Donley section 3.1=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks, > =20 > Wes > =20 > Anything below this line has been added by my company=92s mail server, = I have no control over it. > ----------- >=20 > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable = proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject = to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. 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(lee@asgard.org@81.155.74.60) by 0 with ESMTPA; 24 Feb 2014 17:00:09 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:28:35 -0500 From: Lee Howard Sender: "Howard, Lee" To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: IETF support for continued IPv4 protocols References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/aOS6qlMBRqdSywWDS7s1daZx1wk Subject: [sunset4] IETF support for continued IPv4 protocols X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:00:15 -0000 As I was browsing the IETF agenda, I noticed several WGs and drafts whose stated purpose was to make things work better through NAT. It reminded me that I've been meaning to suggest this draft to this working group (sunset4) for discussion. In London, if time permits. http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-george-ipv6-support-02 Abstract This document recommends that IETF formally require its standards work to be IP version agnostic or to explicitly include support for IPv6, with some exceptions. It further recommends that IETF revisit and update the previous attempts to review existing standards for IPv6 compliance. It makes this recommendation in order to ensure that it is possible to operate without dependencies on IPv4. This document proposes several actions. I have a feeling that some of these proposals will provoke discussion. It's short--just a few pages. Please glance and let us know what you think. Thanks, Lee Howard From nobody Mon Feb 24 09:09:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7973D1A01EA for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:08:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.894 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.894 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mQhAWCZX11Hu for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sintact.nl (mail.sintact.nl [IPv6:2001:9e0:803::6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC191A020E for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0EF43; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:08:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.sintact.nl Received: from mail.sintact.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.sintact.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ki0U1J1ZQCrb; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:08:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2a00:8640:1::a188:4a:2b7d:d7fd] (unknown [IPv6:2a00:8640:1:0:a188:4a:2b7d:d7fd]) by mail.sintact.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D30A36; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:08:54 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: Sander Steffann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:08:53 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4B1A2FEA-180D-4B35-A883-F403C116E665@steffann.nl> References: To: Lee Howard X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/rAmSS1tZ7jVouVhmNyhv3VI1Rx8 Cc: sunset4@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sunset4] IETF support for continued IPv4 protocols X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:08:59 -0000 Hi Lee, > As I was browsing the IETF agenda, I noticed several WGs and drafts whose > stated purpose was to make things work better through NAT. It reminded me > that I've been meaning to suggest this draft to this working group > (sunset4) for discussion. In London, if time permits. > > http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-george-ipv6-support-02 > > > Abstract > > This document recommends that IETF formally require its standards > work to be IP version agnostic or to explicitly include support for > IPv6, with some exceptions. It further recommends that IETF revisit > and update the previous attempts to review existing standards for > IPv6 compliance. It makes this recommendation in order to ensure > that it is possible to operate without dependencies on IPv4. > > > This document proposes several actions. I have a feeling that some of > these proposals will provoke discussion. It's short--just a few pages. > Please glance and let us know what you think. It looks like a good starting point, and a good direction for the IETF. Cheers, Sander From nobody Mon Feb 24 09:27:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A761A022C for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:27:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.149 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Pd6EMdWSbJl for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [IPv6:2a02:920:212e::205]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84171A022B for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.40.13] (h87-96-134-129.dynamic.se.alltele.net [87.96.134.129]) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 503F793C2A1; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) From: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:27:25 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: Lee Howard X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/NKGeZJn-fmDOTE4DkRjnzKvaZE0 Cc: Olle E Johansson , sunset4@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sunset4] IETF support for continued IPv4 protocols X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:27:31 -0000 On 24 Feb 2014, at 22:28, Lee Howard wrote: > As I was browsing the IETF agenda, I noticed several WGs and drafts whose > stated purpose was to make things work better through NAT. It reminded me > that I've been meaning to suggest this draft to this working group > (sunset4) for discussion. In London, if time permits. > > http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-george-ipv6-support-02 > > > Abstract > > This document recommends that IETF formally require its standards > work to be IP version agnostic or to explicitly include support for > IPv6, with some exceptions. It further recommends that IETF revisit > and update the previous attempts to review existing standards for > IPv6 compliance. It makes this recommendation in order to ensure > that it is possible to operate without dependencies on IPv4. > > > This document proposes several actions. I have a feeling that some of > these proposals will provoke discussion. It's short--just a few pages. > Please glance and let us know what you think. We had an interesting discussion in the SIP area. I am working with a draft to solve some happy-eyeballs related issues in SIP. The SIP core RFC 3261 does support IPv6 and IPv4. One version of my draft had the "updates 3261" header - but I was clearly told that updating the core standards for handling the migration was not going to happen. I think in addition to supporting both protocols, we need to support the co-existence. As a comment I do like RFC 2782 which is forward looking when it comes to specifying "address records": "Note that where this document refers to "address records", it means A RR's, AAAA RR's, or their most modern equivalent." /O From nobody Mon Feb 24 10:56:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366561A0154 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:56:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JGwr4YguC_Ah for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363BE1A0141 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:55:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from h227.viagenie.ca (h227.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.227]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC44840396 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:55:56 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Blanchet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <03A658E1-3D03-49A1-BD8B-FB4A9DD880F3@viagenie.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:56:00 -0500 To: sunset4@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/015bRjlLp5RsL13jmW6v0Bt0H1Q Subject: [sunset4] sunset4 London IETF89 agenda published X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:56:02 -0000 Please find the sunset4 IETF89 london agenda published: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/agenda/agenda-89-sunset4 Marc&Wes, co-chairs.