From nobody Sun Mar 2 20:15:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDF31A0C7B for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:15:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tAtZ04GlmYng for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x22b.google.com (mail-qa0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3971A0C75 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id j15so2395331qaq.16 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 20:15:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0PcAiiV9VSXgNFXFg8xnjt2Q9wAcN5ijIBXOEmOXNcA=; b=jh9J8GoO80WsSagt1kVrMyvS8N4YwhMRQOMmWPaS5FaD5dAgQUFf49e0jlzZjqiwqM WWwMih8vWnBp1KmJMP/YOWzvZAYZLUahw0DiD+q5Xse3DE3qe+82dOHUXnnxrzqwLnYw 6I+jCPBypKO80Fuji6Jfeh2u3bw42XiBxXR3jNJhwEe/4Uz/LbkUWTINjga+2B6bps3C r1Y/x2PRkQhMi8JwN5hNks+k+SSmEYacM+XNX+XDRRyt3ltSUoWqJpuDwhEBAi6B7Arp PoGC/6DXRH1xne5RzRJh8atz5Mc473k+y7uCZD4uSNrfYJdtzesz23cKS2RJpcqcs7PV +rPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.93.10 with SMTP id t10mr1558182qam.82.1393820107518; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 20:15:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.51.137 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 20:15:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:15:07 +0800 Message-ID: From: GangChen To: "George, Wes" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/7OcaRWKpHwG_jBzXoj7y0_psgAY Cc: "draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation@tools.ietf.org" , "sunset4@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Review of cgn-port-allocation draft X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 04:15:17 -0000 Hi George, Thank you for the comments. I apologize for the late reply. Please see it inline. 2014-02-19 1:55 GMT+08:00, George, Wes : > I had a fairly quick pass through this draft before the meeting and have > some comments, as an individual (no WG chair hat) unless otherwise > specified: > > Section 2, 2nd paragraph- it's unclear what this testing that you're > referring to is. If it's external (e.g. A whitepaper or other published > study), a citation would be useful. If it's internal, some information on > who, what, where, when and methodology used would help to establish the > credibility of the testing as something that adds value as a data point in > this discussion. The testing was made in our lab. I will elaborate the condition in the next version. > 3.1 - probably should cite the relevant RFCs/sections for NAT vs NAPT. While > many readers may be familiar with the difference, the reference is useful > for those who are not. > 3.3 "feature of double-translation" -- citation/more explanation needed It will be added > 4.1/4.4 - I thought that the direction of the WG was to > integrate the referenced drafts so that we had one draft that covers the > solution space, not continue to reference them externally from an overview > draft. Since there is no longer a Behave WG, these referenced drafts are > orphans, and unless consensus changes, Sunset4 will not be progressing > multiple overlapping NAT/CGN logging/mapping drafts. There is significant > overlap between the solutions proposed by Donley and Tsou such that they can > be merged into one solution with a couple of different variants of port > assignment, I.e. Tsou is the simple case, and Donley is a potential > optimization. This along with some discussion as to the pros/cons of each > will be useful guidance. > Thank you for the guidance. We will try to make further step in such direction. A preliminary thought from my mind is to take the algorithm in draft-donley-xx as basic to figure out the volume of each port segment For allocation process, three possibility Static: each port segment is designated to a particular user Dynamic: each port segment is dynamically allocated to a user Hybrid: users can be categorized as "a static group" and "a dynamic group". For each group, port segments is allocated in static or dynamic way respectively. It's expected to be improved after the wg discussions. > 5.1 "a testing was made" -- see comment for section 2. Also, details about > how the 40T value was reached (what amount of data per record, number of > records per unit time. See donley's intro section for an example. Also, I > think that this section is really something that belongs earlier in the > document, since it is the reason for there to be multiple methods of port > allocation. This is the problem statement to the solutions being provided in > donley/tsou. > There also needs to be discussion of state sync and failover/HA for the > different solutions - how are things like existing mappings managed if a CGN > fails and traffic switches to a backup, how do logging messages get updated, > etc. See Donley section 3.1 It will be added Many thanks Gang > > Thanks, > > Wes > > Anything below this line has been added by my company's mail server, I have > no control over it. > ----------- > > ________________________________ > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable > proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to > copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for > the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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The minutes are now posted = at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/minutes/minutes-89-sunset4. = Please send mods to the co-chairs (sunset4-chairs@tools.ietf.org). 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[173.206.93.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v5sm38930263igb.0.2014.03.10.08.51.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Mar 2014 08:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <531DDF68.8030800@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:51:04 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/WCRVWIQ5M63Z4NO-nkkkBf90bWo Subject: [sunset4] Logging drafts X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 15:51:12 -0000 I can't contribute on the experimental results, but for the record I still feel committed to creating a single draft out of the three of them. I've been wrestling with other stuff, but I should be able to get around to it this week. Tom Taylor