From nobody Wed Apr 9 19:41:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EE81A03AD for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 19:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ajZvHyfYuj4h for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 19:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-x22c.google.com (mail-qa0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0FF1A0012 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 19:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id hw13so3338292qab.3 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:41:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GIGwAPEMZusa1Bdtqf1bj4xk4QbI9rfyykQ8I2jZ80o=; b=zlbEM/dykrZO+5GhT7gpVoBL7UwEoU6pOn628MAoZksYljUj7VZLbVwzUNmPZTPKHU k1EddudhYgsVZFRmflb08VDWu9r0yLTkrVc2BObZMTASuTyeCvTkP8fpE1iCl2QItKK0 yG4svBQZoPyDg5UEnav9rDTbjSli1aoDaYJxRTtBPtlG4tHcUsviswb3vsFI5OOh8ipp 5kAaBvfnpnGwDgrfAru+5QbdxZL2Gq3AyLGHiBWf/x4cpi4GNG2kBrHMC+6XWK9Ccdr/ S9ezdWM5wqKQQivcY8J2X1UCqTN12l0DT46THXpw3mGpEGs7W759gva2swZnA40zOsZg dO0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.134.194 with SMTP id k2mr17154210qat.5.1397097710957; Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.51.137 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Apr 2014 19:41:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140410023347.11755.49528.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20140410023347.11755.49528.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:41:50 +0800 Message-ID: From: GangChen To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/1Y4VFr9B_2u-XqVRIiDVf-wXFUE Subject: [sunset4] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-04.txt X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 02:41:55 -0000 Wg, We have uploaded an new draft about NAT64 ports allocation methods. The draft intends to provide an integrated view for the mechnism. Your comments are appreciated. BRs Gang ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:33:47 -0700 Subject: I-D Action: draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-04.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Analysis of NAT64 Port Allocation Methods for Shared IPv4 Addresses Authors : Gang Chen Tina Tsou Chris Donley Tom Taylor Filename : draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-04.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2014-04-09 Abstract: This document enumerates methods of port assignment in Carrier Grade NATs (CGNs), focused particularly on NAT64 environments. A theoretical framework of different NAT port allocation methods is described. The memo is intended to clarify and focus the port allocation discussion and propose an integrated view of the considerations for selection of the port allocation mechanism in a given deployment. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-chen-sunset4-cgn-port-allocation-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Fri Apr 11 13:48:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AA71A041B for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:48:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TI9RahrKev6E for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atl4mhob11.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob11.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A166E1A0440 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.207]) by atl4mhob11.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3BKlumg013487 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:47:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 15336 invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 2014 20:47:56 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 204.235.114.167 X-Authenticated-UID: lee@asgard.org Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.71.36.63?) (lee@asgard.org@204.235.114.167) by 0 with ESMTPA; 11 Apr 2014 20:47:55 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:47:53 -0400 From: Lee Howard To: "" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: proposed charter change Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/tZmVvLuU2rqh5C-z_eDEtvffQVw Subject: [sunset4] proposed charter change X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:48:04 -0000 At the London meeting, we discussed draft-george-ipv6-support-02. There was strong support for updating the charter to include it as a work item. The RFC review might already fit within the gap analysis part of the charter. Proposed charter addition: Apr 2015 - Submit advice on IPv6 support within IETF work Lee From nobody Mon Apr 14 07:45:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239F11A03E7 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.173 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.173 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kmNOJcW7m0pa for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 07:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144C51A044B for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 07:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from porto.nomis80.org (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:2520:ef8a:477:622f]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7FC50403FF for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 10:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <534BF469.7060509@viagenie.ca> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 10:44:57 -0400 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/H0sumBQOPZPouarKaPqEGk1SVq4 Subject: [sunset4] Are we done with "no IPv4"? X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:45:04 -0000 WG, About this: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sunset4-noipv4-00 It's been a long time since we touched that draft. Are we done with it? Are there issues left? I don't have anything on my list. If anyone on this list could re-read the document in full and let us know of any issues, it would be of tremendous help. Thanks, Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca From nobody Mon Apr 14 11:49:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9E51A059F for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f3oKG12uDvXL for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1218E1A0468 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2620::230:c000:f425:b85d:8f0e:b7a8] (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:f425:b85d:8f0e:b7a8]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2186E403EF; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_87A6527A-094B-4876-A4EC-5395CCC7D96C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Marc Blanchet In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:49:18 -0400 Message-Id: <6AC244CD-BF01-451B-B168-19D386D363E5@viagenie.ca> References: To: Lee Howard X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/FMMK43SbLsor_fKUbK8l_qf70KM Cc: Ted Lemon , "" Subject: Re: [sunset4] proposed charter change X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:49:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_87A6527A-094B-4876-A4EC-5395CCC7D96C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Lee, we, co-chairs, already(during last IETF week) filled in that milestone = in the datatracker, however, since it has not been approved yet by the = AD, you can't see it. Here is the view I see as wgchair: Dec 2014=09 IPv6 Support Within IETF work awaiting accept draft-george-ipv6-support (as you see, I was more optimistic than you for the delivery time...;-) Marc. Le 2014-04-11 =E0 16:47, Lee Howard a =E9crit : > At the London meeting, we discussed draft-george-ipv6-support-02. > There was strong support for updating the charter to include it as a = work > item. >=20 > The RFC review might already fit within the gap analysis part of > the charter. Proposed charter addition: >=20 > Apr 2015 - Submit advice on IPv6 support within IETF work >=20 >=20 > Lee >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sunset4 mailing list > sunset4@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sunset4 --Apple-Mail=_87A6527A-094B-4876-A4EC-5395CCC7D96C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Lee,
 we, co-chairs, already(during last = IETF week) filled in that milestone in the datatracker, however, since = it has not been approved yet by the AD, you can't see it. Here is the = view I see as wgchair:

Dec 2014
IPv6 Support Within IETF = work awaiting = accept
draft-george-ipv6-support


(as you see, I was more = optimistic than you for the delivery = time...;-)

Marc.

Le= 2014-04-11 =E0 16:47, Lee Howard <lee@asgard.org> a =E9crit = :

At the London meeting, we discussed = draft-george-ipv6-support-02.
There was strong support for updating = the charter to include it as a work
item.

The RFC review might = already fit within the gap analysis part of
the charter. Proposed = charter addition:

Apr 2015 - Submit advice on IPv6 support within = IETF = work


Lee


___________________________________________= ____
sunset4 mailing list
sunset4@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/sunset4

= --Apple-Mail=_87A6527A-094B-4876-A4EC-5395CCC7D96C-- From nobody Mon Apr 14 11:56:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6501A06E8 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:56:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DABBXCdYOAQK for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203061A0666 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75AC1B805A for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-01.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF88819005C; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.146.119] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:56:44 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <6AC244CD-BF01-451B-B168-19D386D363E5@viagenie.ca> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 13:56:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <821EF293-FC03-4B8F-9C8E-5107E841AEF3@nominum.com> References: <6AC244CD-BF01-451B-B168-19D386D363E5@viagenie.ca> To: Marc Blanchet X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/sGJamH1OEvRa-GY_L_PXz9ZLb00 Cc: Lee Howard , "" Subject: Re: [sunset4] proposed charter change X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:56:51 -0000 On Apr 14, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Marc Blanchet = wrote: > we, co-chairs, already(during last IETF week) filled in that = milestone in the datatracker, however, since it has not been approved = yet by the AD, you can't see it. Here is the view I see as wgchair: It's not been approved because (as the minutes reflect) this is not what = we agreed to in the meeting. We have to update the charter before = taking on this document as a working group document. This is too = significant for me to just approve it as a new milestone. From nobody Mon Apr 14 12:01:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6047E1A01ED for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:01:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.173 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.173 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DiX6LZ4kwT2b for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D4C1A0201 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2620::230:c000:f425:b85d:8f0e:b7a8] (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:f425:b85d:8f0e:b7a8]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29E01403EF; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Marc Blanchet In-Reply-To: <821EF293-FC03-4B8F-9C8E-5107E841AEF3@nominum.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:01:49 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6AC244CD-BF01-451B-B168-19D386D363E5@viagenie.ca> <821EF293-FC03-4B8F-9C8E-5107E841AEF3@nominum.com> To: Ted Lemon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/TpqKu1aE4wcnm_z_2zhARtd585A Cc: Lee Howard , "" Subject: Re: [sunset4] proposed charter change X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 19:01:57 -0000 Le 2014-04-14 =E0 14:56, Ted Lemon a =E9crit : > On Apr 14, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Marc Blanchet = wrote: >> we, co-chairs, already(during last IETF week) filled in that = milestone in the datatracker, however, since it has not been approved = yet by the AD, you can't see it. Here is the view I see as wgchair: >=20 > It's not been approved because (as the minutes reflect) this is not = what we agreed to in the meeting. We have to update the charter before = taking on this document as a working group document. if you mean changing the charter text, then I misunderstood. I thought = we were saying that by adding a milestone, we were "effectively" = changing the charter. Which I think not what you wanted to say. You = want to work on a new text of the charter? > This is too significant for me to just approve it as a new = milestone. Marc.= From nobody Mon Apr 14 12:08:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002181A064A for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:08:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U-2J9rhprgwH for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com (shell-too.nominum.com [64.89.228.229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BD21A04A1 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B64E1B8062 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-01.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208D519005C; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.146.119] (192.168.1.10) by CAS-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM (192.168.1.100) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:08:17 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:08:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <6AC244CD-BF01-451B-B168-19D386D363E5@viagenie.ca> <821EF293-FC03-4B8F-9C8E-5107E841AEF3@nominum.com> To: Marc Blanchet X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.10] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/wweoJn-zD5lT14pxgaZhJYFX1wE Cc: Lee Howard , "" Subject: Re: [sunset4] proposed charter change X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 19:08:31 -0000 On Apr 14, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Marc Blanchet = wrote: > if you mean changing the charter text, then I misunderstood. I = thought we were saying that by adding a milestone, we were "effectively" = changing the charter. Which I think not what you wanted to say. You = want to work on a new text of the charter? Milestones are orthogonal to the charter. I could approve a milestone, = and you could work on it, and that would be okay in theory, but this = document needs a clear IETF consensus, so I don't want to do it that = way. I would replace the part from "Initial work items are:" down to the = bottom with this: Current work items are: * NAT64 port allocation and address sharing methods involving scenarios where an IPv6-only node is present (and NAT44, as it overlaps NAT64 address sharing and port use). This may require a description of the use of an existing protocol, the development of extensions to an existing protocol, or the definition of an entirely new protocol. * Gap analysis of IPv4/IPv6 features to facilitate IPv4 sunsetting * Provisioning methods to signal a dual-stack host to disable or depreference the use of IPv4 * BCP recommending that except in unusual cases, new work in the IETF should either be stack-agnostic, or IPv6-only. From nobody Mon Apr 14 12:44:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1289B1A02AC for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.173 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.173 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Is_GslTWKnxZ for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBDE1A0718 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2620::230:c000:f425:b85d:8f0e:b7a8] (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:f425:b85d:8f0e:b7a8]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F16C4403EF; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Marc Blanchet In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:44:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6AC244CD-BF01-451B-B168-19D386D363E5@viagenie.ca> <821EF293-FC03-4B8F-9C8E-5107E841AEF3@nominum.com> To: Ted Lemon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/N8JPHDH8VRQCrGrlzIiSlb47FPA Cc: Lee Howard , "" Subject: Re: [sunset4] proposed charter change X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 19:44:26 -0000 Le 2014-04-14 =E0 15:08, Ted Lemon a =E9crit : > On Apr 14, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Marc Blanchet = wrote: >> if you mean changing the charter text, then I misunderstood. I = thought we were saying that by adding a milestone, we were "effectively" = changing the charter. Which I think not what you wanted to say. You = want to work on a new text of the charter? >=20 > Milestones are orthogonal to the charter. I could approve a = milestone, and you could work on it, and that would be okay in theory, = but this document needs a clear IETF consensus, so I don't want to do it = that way. >=20 > I would replace the part from "Initial work items are:" down to the = bottom with this: fine by me. (I would change "stack-agnostic" to "IP version-agnostic" = but that is a detail). =20 Do people in the wg disagree with Ted proposal? =20 Marc. >=20 > Current work items are: >=20 > * NAT64 port allocation and address sharing methods involving > scenarios where an IPv6-only node is present (and NAT44, as it > overlaps NAT64 address sharing and port use). This may require a > description of the use of an existing protocol, the development > of extensions to an existing protocol, or the definition of an > entirely new protocol. >=20 > * Gap analysis of IPv4/IPv6 features to facilitate IPv4 sunsetting >=20 > * Provisioning methods to signal a dual-stack host to disable or > depreference the use of IPv4 >=20 > * BCP recommending that except in unusual cases, new work in the IETF > should either be stack-agnostic, or IPv6-only. From nobody Mon Apr 14 14:03:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35321A0643 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OVf3_qL6zmYR for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.43]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B42D1A022D for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.207]) by atl4mhob05.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3EL2tAf029209 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:02:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 26668 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2014 21:02:55 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 204.235.114.167 X-Authenticated-UID: lee@asgard.org Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.71.36.63?) (lee@asgard.org@204.235.114.167) by 0 with ESMTPA; 14 Apr 2014 21:02:55 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:02:50 -0400 From: Lee Howard To: Ted Lemon , Marc Blanchet Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [sunset4] proposed charter change References: <6AC244CD-BF01-451B-B168-19D386D363E5@viagenie.ca> <821EF293-FC03-4B8F-9C8E-5107E841AEF3@nominum.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/g5MWGdOGZRnHKUU7b_eA-cGFkBw Cc: "" Subject: Re: [sunset4] proposed charter change X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 21:03:05 -0000 On 4/14/14 3:08 PM, "Ted Lemon" wrote: >On Apr 14, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Marc Blanchet >wrote: >> if you mean changing the charter text, then I misunderstood. I thought >>we were saying that by adding a milestone, we were "effectively" >>changing the charter. Which I think not what you wanted to say. You >>want to work on a new text of the charter? > >Milestones are orthogonal to the charter. I could approve a milestone, >and you could work on it, and that would be okay in theory, but this >document needs a clear IETF consensus, so I don't want to do it that way. > >I would replace the part from "Initial work items are:" down to the >bottom with this: > >Current work items are: ... >* BCP recommending that except in unusual cases, new work in the IETF > should either be stack-agnostic, or IPv6-only. I can live with that. It leaves the details of defining the "unusual cases" to the document itself. Lee From nobody Tue Apr 15 12:27:25 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878381A01CB; Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.173 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.173 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dp2ANTac83mC; Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.184]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6741A01BE; Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (desk.marajade.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D245620030; Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 59F8763ABA; Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472BB63AA2; Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: v6ops@ietf.org, Ted Lemon , homenet@ietf.org, sunset4@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3F8F807A-AE0E-428A-A915-9D5CE8127F1A@fugue.com> References: <534BF803.3090600@viagenie.ca> <87wqes3pms.fsf@toke.dk> <534C214F.6010603@viagenie.ca> <878ur67rx2.fsf@toke.dk> <3F8F807A-AE0E-428A-A915-9D5CE8127F1A@fugue.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/eAdJAAsY61kPijy2qY5T8FQ4LfI X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:27:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [sunset4] [homenet] Please review the No IPv4 draft X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:43:19 -0000 I think it's important to read the draft, and understand section 5.3, about the "v4-level". I think that the security implications in the document are understood by the authors, but simply not spelled out yet. I think that some additional text in 5.3 might help make it clearer that there might be competing v4-labels coming from different routers/DHCPv6 servers, and that really the one with the lowest value wins. Hosts that don't understand this option will continue to behave as if the option did not occur, and any device for which this option is implemented needs to think about how much credence they will put into it. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Wed Apr 16 09:53:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22461A0259 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:53:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -114.773 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-114.773 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DywEEoVKVV5J for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723F11A023D for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:53:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2793; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1397667198; x=1398876798; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=FHr5R0a6y56NjpwSzRpiaKmEocSQhxScIp1ePArYR6o=; b=AyqBssxJwTQhvmRuu5c6gO1oj683NkpKHLnEeZMIbdR/CEcKxMlUIcs0 i0sEGNR0+cG2SSZdP2/tHBpdJRztLjn7pmx+eBAVqvtI/cHccGk/uzWsO V1CN1p5Uhl5RUkU52rwvfG36CpgVrTuioZhHSspENolUMjv5KgSG1fLf6 k=; X-Files: signature.asc : 195 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisFAPW0TlOtJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABZgwY7V8M1gSIWdIIlAQEBAwF5BQsCAQhGMiUCBA4FDodmCA3JGReOAA4DAVAHAoMigRQEkGeBNoZJgTeREoMxgWsHFwYcgQEBAQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,872,1389744000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="315187156" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Apr 2014 16:53:17 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x03.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x03.cisco.com [173.37.183.77]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3GGrH9c025155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:53:17 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.100]) by xhc-rcd-x03.cisco.com ([173.37.183.77]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:53:16 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: Lee Howard Thread-Topic: [sunset4] proposed charter change Thread-Index: AQHPWZRcGZqklSv3akWDUX8s+6V/vg== Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:53:16 +0000 Message-ID: <2CCBA491-8605-4754-B870-CDF78B567D1E@cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.19.64.116] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_618BE949-4BD1-42C0-B07C-93BE9A066927"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/B9_P_lMHgHCd6X9-fAgDG9r_0Jk Cc: "" Subject: Re: [sunset4] proposed charter change X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:53:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_618BE949-4BD1-42C0-B07C-93BE9A066927 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Apr 11, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Lee Howard wrote: > At the London meeting, we discussed draft-george-ipv6-support-02. > There was strong support for updating the charter to include it as a = work > item. >=20 > The RFC review might already fit within the gap analysis part of > the charter. Proposed charter addition: >=20 > Apr 2015 - Submit advice on IPv6 support within IETF work I=92m OK with the charter addition.=20 One thing that isn=92t clear to me from the document is what the = reporting mechanism is. Were I the AD, I would find myself looking up, = for each working group, the counterpart to = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/search/?name=3Dv6ops&rfcs=3Don&activedraft= s=3Don&sort=3D (which gives all RFCs and current Internet Drafts for a = working group) and asking that working group to report on its RFCs and = current Internet Drafts. I would then do a coverage check, and wonder to = myself what to do with working groups that have been closed. The alternative would be to send an email to each set of authors on = RFCs. Wow... And then, what comes back? One might hope that for a number of working = groups, an email response to sunset4 might suffice. For example, in = SAVI, IPv4 was treated as a solved problem; the only real question = before the working group was source address validation for IPv6, and = that being done in Switched Ethernet networks - Wifi, which is analogous = but may have different dynamics internal to the switch domain, was not = addressed. But I might expect that whoever spoke for SAVI might = literally say as much in an email, leaving it to sunset4 to summarize = that information as it chose. Or, if we literally are asking RFC Authors = to review their documents, provide a wiki in which they can update their = results. I suspect we=92d need some administrative support, in the form of the = answer to the question =93for each RFC sequenced 3100..present, what are = the email addresses of the authors, and what working group did it come = from?=94 Phil Nesser might not be available... --Apple-Mail=_618BE949-4BD1-42C0-B07C-93BE9A066927 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iD8DBQFTTrV7bjEdbHIsm0MRAioRAKDB6u0Lwi3RzL0ghWMjmVgrYoDnPACgygvL UMrAZ5yhloHoeoNE795xmqM= =RP5b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_618BE949-4BD1-42C0-B07C-93BE9A066927-- From nobody Wed Apr 16 10:38:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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(lee@asgard.org@204.235.115.167) by 0 with ESMTPA; 21 Apr 2014 22:09:28 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.9.131030 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:09:29 -0400 From: Lee Howard To: "Fred Baker (fred)" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [sunset4] proposed charter change References: <2CCBA491-8605-4754-B870-CDF78B567D1E@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2CCBA491-8605-4754-B870-CDF78B567D1E@cisco.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/Rn5AZkpUwC8xkNVVsvX07AevLpY Cc: "" Subject: Re: [sunset4] proposed charter change X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:09:51 -0000 On 4/16/14 12:53 PM, "Fred Baker (fred)" wrote: > >One thing that isn=B9t clear to me from the document is what the reporting >mechanism is. Were I the AD, I would find myself looking up, for each >working group, the counterpart to >http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/search/?name=3Dv6ops&rfcs=3Don&activedrafts=3Don >&sort=3D (which gives all RFCs and current Internet Drafts for a working >group) and asking that working group to report on its RFCs and current >Internet Drafts. I would then do a coverage check, and wonder to myself >what to do with working groups that have been closed. > >The alternative would be to send an email to each set of authors on RFCs. >Wow... > >And then, what comes back? One might hope that for a number of working >groups, an email response to sunset4 might suffice. For example, in SAVI, >IPv4 was treated as a solved problem; the only real question before the >working group was source address validation for IPv6, and that being done >in Switched Ethernet networks - Wifi, which is analogous but may have >different dynamics internal to the switch domain, was not addressed. But >I might expect that whoever spoke for SAVI might literally say as much in >an email, leaving it to sunset4 to summarize that information as it >chose. Or, if we literally are asking RFC Authors to review their >documents, provide a wiki in which they can update their results. > >I suspect we=B9d need some administrative support, in the form of the >answer to the question =B3for each RFC sequenced 3100..present, what are >the email addresses of the authors, and what working group did it come >from?=B2 Phil Nesser might not be available... We intentionally did not provide too much detail, because there are several ways the work could be done. I'd be happy to leave it up to the IESG to figure out how to do it. Or we can provide them options, which don't necessarily have to be in the document. From what I understand, the previous review was done under contract with somebody who was willing to pay for the work; it would be great if another such benefactor were found. Alternatively, ADs could volunteer some area participants, such as Directorate members, to list all the RFCs and provide the review. The previous review was completed with the publication of a series of RFCs; reviews-in-progress could be maintained as internet-drafts. But I agree that a wiki or similar resource would be better for updating state. Lee From nobody Mon Apr 28 10:11:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065961A6FC7 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 10:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9dhkDfoJ67sd for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 10:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA37F1A0312 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 10:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2620::230:c000:7809:278f:7290:c620] (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:7809:278f:7290:c620]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D204140387 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Blanchet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6687785D-9A8A-4CF0-A085-10B131DA2881" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:11:07 -0400 References: <20140428170628.30033.28497.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "" Message-Id: <3B287CE7-F29F-44AA-8B9F-9D6803187988@viagenie.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sunset4/IVRW1P9WXsRBJAUg5MfscOJzh1U Subject: [sunset4] Fwd: Document Action: Address mappings to Historic X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:11:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6687785D-9A8A-4CF0-A085-10B131DA2881 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 D=E9but du message r=E9exp=E9di=E9 : > De: The IESG > Objet: Document Action: Address mappings to Historic=20 > Date: 28 avril 2014 13:06:28 HAE > =C0: IETF-Announce > Cc: gds@gds.best.vwh.net, sunset4-chairs@tools.ietf.org, RFC Editor = > R=E9pondre =E0: ietf@ietf.org >=20 > The IESG has approved changing the status of the following document: > - Address mappings > (rfc796) to Historic >=20 > This document action is documented at: > = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-ipv4-address-mapping-classes= -to-historic/ >=20 > A URL of the affected document is: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc796/ >=20 > Status Change Details: >=20 > RFC 796 [RFC796] specifies formats for "classful" IPv4 addresses. > It also specifies mappings for some existing networks at the time it > was published between their "local" network representations and > IPv4 equivalents. However, "classful" addresses have been largely > superseded by CIDR [RFC4632]. Furthermore, the vast majority of > these addresses have either been reassigned to other organizations, > or are considered part of private address space [RFC1918]. > Therefore, RFC 796 is reclassified to Historic status. >=20 > Personnel=20 >=20 > Ted Lemon is the responsible Area Director. >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6687785D-9A8A-4CF0-A085-10B131DA2881 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

D=E9but du message = r=E9exp=E9di=E9 :

De: = The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
Objet: = Document Action: = Address mappings to Historic
Date: 28 avril 2014 13:06:28 = HAE
=C0: = IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
<= /span>
R=E9pondre= =E0: ietf@ietf.org

T= he IESG has approved changing the status of the following document:
- = Address mappings
 (rfc796) to Historic

This document = action is documented at:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-ipv4-= address-mapping-classes-to-historic/

A URL of the affected = document is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc796/

Status = Change Details:

RFC 796 [RFC796] specifies formats for "classful" = IPv4 addresses.
It also specifies mappings for some existing networks = at the time it
was published between their "local" network = representations and
IPv4 equivalents.  However, "classful" = addresses have been largely
superseded by CIDR [RFC4632]. =  Furthermore, the vast majority of
these addresses have either = been reassigned to other organizations,
or are considered part of = private address space [RFC1918].
Therefore, RFC 796 is reclassified = to Historic status.

Personnel

  Ted Lemon is = the responsible Area = Director.


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