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From: "George, Wes" <wesley.george@twcable.com>
To: Davey Song <songlinjian@gmail.com>, "sunset4@ietf.org" <sunset4@ietf.org>,  "draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns@tools.ietf.org" <draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns@tools.ietf.org>
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> On 14 Jan 2015, at 20:29 , George, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> =
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> We need to request a meeting timeslot before the end of January. It =
would be helpful to know that we have things that people wish to =
discuss. The list has been very quiet and we've had several meetings in =
a row where Sunset4 has not met, so we do need to hear from you =E2=80=93 =
what does the WG wish to work on?

Let me ask this controversial question from your first WG meeting again:


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the only reason to open it was to close it again immediately and be done =
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What=E2=80=99s left todo so that you can stop talking about anything =
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Hi all,

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There are still several ongoing drafts in the WG, I think at least we =
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Best regards,

Peng

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Hi -=20

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We need to request a meeting timeslot before the end of January. It =
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discuss. The list has been very quiet and we've had several meetings in =
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=E2=80=93 what does the WG wish to work on?

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Sorry for late response, George.

Yes,  newer draft supersede the older one. It's appreciated if you can help
me to connect them. In addition If there is meeting in Dallas, I would like
to apply for a time slot. Thank you.

regards,
Davey


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:05 AM, George, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com>
wrote:

>   Hi -
>
>  I gave this draft a quick review in preparation for identifying what we
> might discuss in our next meeting in Dallas.
>
>  It is unclear to me what the relationship is between draft-song-sunset4
> and draft-davey-sunset4, and I think they should probably be integrated
> into one draft. Or does the newer draft supersede the other? If the one
> supersedes the other, I can send mail to the secretariat so that the
> metadata reflects that.
>
>  Either way, there are additional things to discuss in this space, such
> as the interaction between the DNS server, IPv4 transition/life extension
> technologies, address selection, and happy eyeballs. Some of it is covere=
d
> in draft-ietf-dhc-conn-status-00, but I'm not certain what the status of
> that draft is.
>
>  The problem statement we discussed at a DHC/Sunset4 joint meeting was as
> follows:
>  =E2=80=A2Many networks will have both IPv4 and IPv6, but with varying tr=
ansition
> technologies affecting the quality of those stacks
>  =E2=80=93=E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D IPv4 (no CGN)
>  =E2=80=93CGN IPv4 (potentially broken for some apps)
>  =E2=80=93NAT64/DNS64 (also potentially breaks things)
>  =E2=80=93IPv6 (only)
>  =E2=80=A2How do you tell dual-stack hosts which to use/avoid?
>  =E2=80=93For which destinations?
>  =E2=80=93With which protocol(s)?
>  =E2=80=93Happy Eyeballs helps, but can be non-deterministic
>
>
>  Thanks,
>
>
>
> Wes
>
>
>
>
>    From: Davey Song <songlinjian@gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, October 27, 2014 at 9:00 PM
> To: "sunset4@ietf.org" <sunset4@ietf.org>
> Subject: [sunset4] Fwd: New Version Notification for
> draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns-00.txt
>
>  Hi folks, I have just post a new draft on IPv6-only DNS development.
> Comments are welcome!!
>
>  A new version of I-D, draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns-00.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Linjian Song and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name:           draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns
> Revision:       00
> Title:          Considerations on IPv6-only DNS Development
> Document date:  2014-10-27
> Group:          Individual Submission
> Pages:          8
> URL:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns-00.tx=
t
> Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns/
> Htmlized:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns-00
>
>
> Abstract:
>    Deployment of IPv6-only networks are impacted by assumptions of
>    IPv4-only or dual-stack transition scenarios.  For example, these
>    assumptions are in the operations of DNS.  This memo is problem
>    statement and hopes to eventually propose a mitigation technique.
>
>
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry for late response, George.<div><br></div><div>Yes,=
=C2=A0=C2=A0newer draft supersede the older one. It&#39;s appreciated if yo=
u can help me to connect them. In addition If there is meeting in Dallas, I=
 would like to apply for a time slot. Thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>r=
egards,</div><div>Davey=C2=A0</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:05 AM, Geo=
rge, Wes <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wesley.george@twcable.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">wesley.george@twcable.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-fam=
ily:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Hi -=C2=A0</di=
v>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">I gave this dr=
aft a quick review in preparation for identifying what we might discuss in =
our next meeting in Dallas.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">It is unclear =
to me what the relationship is between draft-song-sunset4 and draft-davey-s=
unset4, and I think they should probably be integrated into one draft. Or d=
oes the newer draft supersede
 the other? If the one supersedes the other, I can send mail to the secreta=
riat so that the metadata reflects that.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Either way, th=
ere are additional things to discuss in this space, such as the interaction=
 between the DNS server, IPv4 transition/life extension technologies, addre=
ss selection, and happy eyeballs.
 Some of it is covered in=C2=A0draft-ietf-dhc-conn-status-00, but I&#39;m n=
ot certain what the status of that draft is.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">The problem st=
atement we discussed at a DHC/Sunset4 joint meeting was as follows:=C2=A0</=
div>
<div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:6.48pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.38in;direct=
ion:ltr;word-break:normal">
=E2=80=A2Many networks will have both IPv4 and IPv6, but with varying trans=
ition technologies affecting the quality of those stacks</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:5.76pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.81in;direct=
ion:ltr;word-break:normal">
=E2=80=93=E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D IPv4 (no CGN)</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:5.76pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.81in;direct=
ion:ltr;word-break:normal">
=E2=80=93CGN IPv4 (potentially broken for some apps)</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:5.76pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.81in;direct=
ion:ltr;word-break:normal">
=E2=80=93NAT64/DNS64 (also potentially breaks things)</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:5.76pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.81in;direct=
ion:ltr;word-break:normal">
=E2=80=93IPv6 (only)</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:6.48pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.38in;direct=
ion:ltr;word-break:normal">
=E2=80=A2How do you tell dual-stack hosts which to use/avoid?</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:5.76pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.81in;direct=
ion:ltr;word-break:normal">
=E2=80=93For which destinations?</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:5.76pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.81in;direct=
ion:ltr;word-break:normal">
=E2=80=93With which protocol(s)?</div>
<div style=3D"margin-top:5.76pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0.81in;direct=
ion:ltr;word-break:normal">
=E2=80=93Happy Eyeballs helps, but can be non-deterministic</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt"><br=
>
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt">Tha=
nks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11=
pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11=
pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">
Wes<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11=
pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11=
pt;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">
<br>
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</div>
</div>
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<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:blac=
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dium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Davey Song &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:songlinjian@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">songlinjian@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, October 27, 2014 at 9=
:00 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:sunset4=
@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">sunset4@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:sunset4@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">sunset4@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[sunset4] Fwd: New Version=
 Notification for draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns-00.txt<br>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi folks, I have just post a new draft on IPv6-only DNS de=
velopment. Comments are welcome!!=C2=A0
<div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">A new version of I-D, draft-song-sunset4-ipv6onl=
y-dns-00.txt<br>
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ns<br>
Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A000<br>
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Considerations on IPv6-only DNS De=
velopment<br>
Document date:=C2=A0 2014-10-27<br>
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>
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns-00.txt<=
/a><br>
Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datatracker.iet=
f.org/doc/draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns/" target=3D"_blank">https://datat=
racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns/</a><br>
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html/draft-song-sunset4-ipv6only-dns-00</a><br>
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Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Deployment of IPv6-only networks are impacted by assumptions o=
f<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IPv4-only or dual-stack transition scenarios.=C2=A0 For exampl=
e, these<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0assumptions are in the operations of DNS.=C2=A0 This memo is p=
roblem<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0statement and hopes to eventually propose a mitigation techniq=
ue.<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Sunsetting IPv4 Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Gap Analysis for IPv4 Sunset
        Authors         : Simon Perreault
                          Tina Tsou
                          Cathy Zhou
                          Peng Fan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-sunset4-gapanalysis-05.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2015-01-26

Abstract:
   Sunsetting IPv4 refers to the process of turning off IPv4
   definitively.  It can be seen as the final phase of the migration to
   IPv6.  This memo enumerates difficulties arising when sunsetting
   IPv4, and identifies the gaps requiring additional work.


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